September 5, 2025 • 63 mins
Paul Hutchinson, executive producer of Sound of Freedom and founder of multiple child-rescue initiatives, exposes the hidden realities of human trafficking and child exploitation. He shares his firsthand experiences from undercover operations, detailing how traffickers target children, the signs families should recognize, and why awareness is the first step in prevention.
Hutchinson also addresses the deep impact of trauma and the urgent need for meaningful healing. He discusses the role of psilocybin therapy and his retreat work, explaining how structured psychedelic experiences can help survivors, rescuers, and others carrying unresolved pain achieve breakthroughs in recovery.
This conversation reveals both the darkness of trafficking networks and the hope found in innovative healing. Hutchinson’s perspective underscores the importance of protecting vulnerable children while also creating pathways for long-term restoration and resilience.
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Hi and welcome back to Beyond the Monsters.
Today I have Paul Hutchinson here and I can't even tell you what an honor this is Paulbecause you know we've been wanting to expose a lot of the things that are going on as far
as human trafficking, child trafficking and Paul just happens to be the executive producerof The Sound of Freedom.
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I'm sure most people have seen it.
If...
They haven't, I don't know, they're under a rock or something out there because I thinkwe've all seen it and we've all been touched by it.
And I just wanted to give you just this little tiny introduction and let you go fromthere.
I'm turning inside out of inside out
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Thank you, Shel.
I'm incredibly grateful to be here with you and with your audience today.
in fact, the Sound of Freedom book literally launched just this week.
So two years ago, the movie became the number one independent film in the world.
literally hundreds of millions of children are safer now because of that awareness.
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But a lot of parents are like, okay, you know, they'll leave the movie.
like, okay, I want to do something.
want to...
Go help rescue kids.
The worst thing you can do is go to Mexico and try to go undercover.
You're going to get arrested.
You're probably going to get shot.
The best thing you can do is go home and hug your children and create a healthyenvironment there.
And I give parents the tools they need to keep their kids safe, the situational awarenessand reading a room and understanding the signs of a child that might be in a situation
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where they're being groomed, et cetera.
These are all things that we as parents can be aware of.
and can keep our kids safe.
And so I'm excited to share the story of bringing that global movement to the world.
uh I led or played a key part in over 70 undercover child rescue missions in 15 countriesover a period of 10 years.
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And I've seen the darkest part of humanity.
There's nothing that compares to the darkness of seeing an eight-year-old.
being sold.
uh I've also seen the light, the beautiful light of the rehabilitation and reuniting ofkids with their families.
And more important than that, I clearly understand what needs to happen for humanity tobreak free of the toxicity that is creating things like child trafficking.
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So I'm excited to share all of that with you and your audience.
Can't wait.
So you go ahead and you dive in, you know, at whatever point you'd like to.
I mean, I'm just, I just feel blessed that you're here so we can share all this with ourlisteners and the people that are watching.
It's something that we've really wanted to touch on and here you are.
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Like, so let's go.
Well, some high level stuff I think everybody needs to be aware of.
uh Number one, uh human trafficking is the fastest growing criminal enterprise in theworld.
And good people don't know that it's even happening.
At least they didn't before the sound of freedom.
uh children in that kind of abuse, that trafficking being sold, there's over 10 million ofthem today.
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However,
That's a tiny number compared to the real problem.
And the real problem is this.
Literally, in every four women that you know, that I know, one in every four women in theUnited States, were a victim of sexual abuse as a child.
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As a child.
Now that's just the ones who talk about it.
I believe the number is more than double that because the average age of somebody talkingabout
that kind of darkness in their childhood.
The average age is 52 years old.
That's my age.
I've got grandkids.
I've lived my life.
And if we're holding on to that so many years, what happens is it comes out.
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It comes out in anger, in low self-esteem, in anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions.
All of this stuff is a result of unhealed wounds that so many of us carry.
Now for men, it's a little bit less.
One in every five men have been a victim of sexual abuse at some time in their life.
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But even them, one in every four of them, it was under the age of 10 years old in theirown homes.
And so literally speaking, you could, I don't care if somebody's living in an apartmentcomplex or an affluent neighborhood, if you walked out in your front porch, out of your
front door, and you looked left and you looked right, there's a very high chance that oneof those homes
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is a dangerous place for children because of the statistics of how many kids go throughthis.
Now, we're gonna talk today about what healing looks like, but I'm gonna go into thedarkness first because we can't dissipate the darkness, we can't eradicate the darkness
until we recognize what it is.
And that's how we alchemize these things in our life is we bring them into the light.
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Once the darkness is in the light, it dissipates completely, it's gone.
And so it's important that we bring these things into the light.
so, you know, back up when I was in my teenage years, I was asked by our principal of ourhigh school to lead something called the peer leadership team.
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And kids, if they go to a teacher with...
abuse situations at home or whatever legally that teacher has to go to authority etc.
So many kids they don't feel comfortable even talking to a teacher.
So I was trained at a young age to be a peer counselor and in that training and then as acounselor I realized the magnitude of this problem of how many kids were dealing with
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anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions because of that unhealed trauma and and so
And sadly, moving forward, I realized that over 70 % of incarcerated felons
speak about their challenges as a child, abuse as a child.
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God bless everybody who's listening to us today who dealt with that kind of pain andbecame protectors.
Most of my operators, when we led these undercover missions, most of my operators wereabused as children.
And the majority of people who go through that grow up to be protectors.
There's no way that that trauma is ever going to be passed on.
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But like I said, it does come out.
it does come out in all of these behaviors of anger issues and addictions.
know, guys who were, I had one of my operators had a uh sexual addiction that wasinsatiable.
He was abused at eight years old by his uncle and literally spent his whole teenage andadult life trying to prove to himself that he wasn't gay by sleeping with every woman
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possible, right?
And so there's...
There's so many unhealed wounds, alcoholism and drug abuse and everything that a lot ofthat comes from that.
Now, if not giving the love to help the healing that they need, one third of those whowere abused as children become contact offenders, meaning either verbally, physically, or
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in some cases, sexually abusing somebody else.
And so I found myself.
I found myself in all of these missions.
I found myself wishing that I could have got to these kids before they're ever hurt in thefirst place.
I was so mad.
We literally, I would be face to face with traffickers in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haitiand downtown Mexico City in the most dangerous, darkest places on the planet and seeing
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these children, children who were being abused.
20, 30 times a day thinking, how are they ever going to recover from this?
I wish that we had got here five years ago, 10 years ago before this child ever got inthis situation.
And then I realized though that even then, if we pull these kids out of that situationbefore it happened, if not enough was being done to fix the demand, then 20 more kids
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would be sucked back into the deepest recesses of hell.
Right.
fulfill that demand.
so, and don't get me wrong listeners on this next part.
I am not a sympathizer in any way of anyone who hurts a child.
I've literally put my life in danger hundreds of times to ensure that innocence ispreserved and that those kids are saved.
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However, I recognize that just pulling the kids out of hell
wasn't going to fix the problem.
We need to pull the hell out of humanity to fix it.
I realized that the majority of the traffickers were trafficked themselves as children.
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The majority of the perpetrators were abused themselves as children.
And so if we're really going to eradicate child trafficking, it's not going to come.
with me and my operators doing a thousand more undercover missions and pulling kids out ofhell around the world.
The only way we're gonna fix this is by showing humanity the darkness, which we did withthe sound of freedom and saying, okay, now I have your attention, let's talk about this.
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Where's it coming from?
What do we need to do to heal this so that we never have to have this conversation in thefuture?
And so,
So that's what we're going to go through today.
We're going to talk about what healing looks like.
But first of all, I want to give some parents the some tools that you can use.
Preventative tools and you'll find these things in the Sound of Freedom book.
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You can get them on at Amazon.
There's so much information there, but but.
I I went through extensive training on Krav Maga hand to hand combat training weaponstraining.
I have a.
as they would say, a special set of skills that comes from a previous life that makes mesomewhat safe in a dangerous place.
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However, the majority of the things that we used in those dangerous situations weren'twhat we call hard skills of uh martial arts, et cetera.
The majority of them was understanding situational awareness.
In fact, if you're ever to a point where
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you have to go to hard skills, know, punches and knives and whatever.
If you're ever to that point, you have missed 95 % of the opportunities to keep you andyour family safe.
Just by being able to read a room, just by recognizing some of the little signs.
There's a book that I had a lot of my operators read called The Gift of Fear.
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And in that, it talks about how our subconscious mind is picking up on
millions of little teeny cues everywhere.
You might be walking into the restaurant and there's a, out of your peripheral, there wasa guy that was standing in the alley that had a heavy coat on and it was too heavy for
that time of day, it was too warm, you know, and was acting.
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But your conscious mind was too focused on just getting in the door and talking to yourfriend on the phone or whatever.
Your subconscious mind picked that up.
Your subconscious mind picked up the reflection in the...
the window of something going on behind you.
So your subconscious mind speaks to you in ways that your conscious mind doesn't.
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And beyond that, your super conscious mind, your access to the connection with the energyof the universe and each other is something where if we as parents start listening to
that, it's going to go a long ways in that situational awareness and keeping our kidssafe.
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Also, you need a relationship with your children where they can very comfortably come toyou and say, hey, mom, I don't like it when you tell me to hug Uncle Harry.
Because, you know, he's been touching me weird and tries to go alone with me in places inthe house.
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And now he says we should have sleepovers at his house.
And I just don't feel comfortable.
Or I don't like going to this
friend's house because her brother took pictures of us when we were changing and now hesays he's going to use them around the school unless I do things after school with him and
his friends or I don't like this babysitter, she's showing us pornography and says weshould trust her more than you.
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There's so many things that your relationship with your children and their ability to haveyou be their 911 is everything.
Right.
I can tell you too, Paul, we've had so many guests on that have been in those situationsand have went to their parents and they didn't believe them or they just kind of brushed
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it off.
So what you're saying as far as a relationship, you know, the parent child relationship,you're so right.
It's so important because if they don't feel like they can come to you, then they're justgoing to keep it in or worse.
It's going to happen.
It's going to get worse or they are going to go spend the night at uncle whoever's house.
And that's such a good point.
Well, and the worst thing you can do as a parent in that situation is to discount whatthey were saying.
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That causes as much or more trauma than the trauma itself.
The person they love and trust saying, know, brushing it off or don't tell anybody becauseit might hurt the family's reputation.
No, if your child comes to you with something like that, there is a very, very, very highchance that it really did happen.
Children don't lie about stuff like that.
Not very often at all.
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And so, yes, it's so important to...
to understand that.
I've had missions where I had one in Dominican Republic where
The trafficker was an escaped convict from the US and he had been selling kids for over adecade there.
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He had connected us with some other traffickers that were there, but the one that left it.
start impression in my heart, in my soul was when he connected me with a mother who wasselling her own kids.
uh you know, most of us as mothers and fathers are, we'd give our lives for our kids.
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Sadly, if addiction is involved, if their own trauma of their childhood, I mean, there's amillion different things there.
This mother,
was not just renting her kids out, she was selling them to me for $10,000 each.
And he put me on the phone with her.
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She said, I need you to make me a promise.
Now she thought that we were taking the kids to Miami to be in an underage strip club, abrothel thing there.
She said, I need you to make me a promise.
And I'm thinking, okay, this is interesting.
This mother wants me to say hey, make sure they're well fed and taken care of.
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She said, I said, what promise do you need?
She said, when you're done with them, if you're ever done with them.
I need you to be done with them.
She said, I don't want this ever to come back on me.
I don't want them ever to try to find me.
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If you're ever done prostituting my...
And they were nine and 11.
Oh god.
So I found myself seeing the darkest part of what happens when people allow theiraddictions.
You know, she was really addicted to some really nasty drugs and their greed, theirarrogance.
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I found myself in my very first rescue mission.
thought that traffickers would have
earrings in their noses and tattoos down their necks.
The first trafficker I met, if you guys have seen the movie Sound of Freedom, know, mycharacter is Pablo.
Pablo is the wealthy business owner that halfway through Jim Cavie's life, if I canconvince Pablo, we can make this happen.
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And that was me in real life.
He, a Homeland Security agent in Columbia had found these children and needed somebody tohelp finance the mission.
and needed somebody to play the role of the wealthy buyer because this trafficker had apiece of property he wanted to develop into a child brothel resort type of a thing.
And so that was me in real life.
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I end up going down and being face to face with these traffickers.
And that was my first undercover mission.
uh
The common thread with the traffickers, I thought that it would be, you know, tattoos ordreadlocks or whatever.
common thread I realized was arrogance, greed, and lust.
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And the first trafficker I met was a businessman.
was clean shaven.
He was, you know, well spoken.
The second I met was a beautiful woman.
She ran a modeling agency, just like what you saw in the movie.
um
She was pulling kids in from poor areas and duping their parents into thinking they weregoing to be a model.
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And this stuff was real.
We took eight different rescue missions and put them all together into that one storyline.
But the moment that changed my life was I'm sitting on a chair, just like you and I areright now.
The traffickers have brought 54 children to the island.
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One of them brought out four virgins.
He called them zero kilometer miles.
Oh geez.
talking about them like they're commodities, like they're a car.
And this one child, this 11 year old standing in front of me, she wasn't much taller thanI was as I was sitting down and she was standing up.
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And you know, she had red hair, it was long braids halfway down her back.
She had a kitty cat painted on her shirt, had a little cat face on it.
and she had been crying her makeup, they had put makeup on this little 11 year old and hermakeup was all smeared.
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And all I could see was fear in her eyes.
And I made a commitment at that moment to myself, to God, to that child, that I woulddedicate my life to eradicating that evil from the face of the earth.
And that began my...
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my transformation.
And that's when it started.
You know, it was a uh bunch of missions later.
It was two and a half, three years later that I had done a bunch of missions.
But I was doing a lot of good, but I was still broken myself.
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And I recognized that I was filled with arrogance and greed and lust.
I wasn't doing anything illegal.
was helping the children, but I was having parties at my house every other weekend withhalf-dressed girls and NBA players.
was on my second marriage headed for a divorce.
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was thinking that happiness was going to come from one more party, one more girl, onemore, one more.
And uh then I was super empty inside.
And uh this is where my major transformation happened.
We were blowing through our undercover operators.
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I had green berets with 300 missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Middle East, and theyalready had PTSD.
And one undercover mission with me and seeing a menu with children's faces on it and theamount of money that each performance of those kids would cost.
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And it would just wreck these Navy SEALs, Green Berets, they were having a hard time.
And I had two operators, one, Jimmy Rex, had done 13 missions with me and one, AndrewMcCubbins.
Andrew had done 22 missions with me.
They called me up on the phone together and they said, Paul, do you trust us?
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And I said, yeah, I trust you with my life, literally.
You know, on these missions, I'm in charge of talking, you're in charge of making sure Idon't die.
They said, need to come to this healing retreat with us.
I'm like, I don't need to heal.
I'm Paul F.
Hutchinson, right?
I said, everybody wants to be me.
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can uh get any girl I want to.
I can buy things and whatever.
And this was my energy at the time.
And they said, no, you do need to heal.
Your children don't talk to you.
Your marriage is a disaster.
Your relationship with...
your creator disappeared a long time ago.
um You may not be addicted to cocaine and heroin, but you're addicted to everything elseyou can think of, know, especially anything wearing a skirt.
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that's...
They were, they were.
And I said, okay, I'll go, I'll go.
um this doctor they were working with had traveled around the world.
in identifying different types of holistic healing modalities.
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She had specialized in the proper use, and this is so important, the proper use ofpsychedelics when it comes to anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma.
Now, what was interesting is they had told me this doctor could
help people overcome these things in literally a few days.
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And I said, well, that's BS.
I said, because my company that I built in my early 20s helped people overcome thosethings.
We had 50,000 people a month calling in off of an infomercial to get help with anxiety,depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma.
This is not something you overcome in a few days.
This is something that took us a minimum of 12 weeks with a personal coach working one totwo hours a day.
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just to start changing those negative habit patterns of thought.
from a scientific standpoint, let me teach what worked here because this, well, let tellyou my experience first.
This was by far the most transformational experience of my life, bar none.
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And everything, everything, everything changed for me.
It was the most beautiful, horrific experience.
of my life, horrific because what, and this doctor was using not a micro dose but aceremonial dose of psilocybin.
And you know, I thought that psilocybin was dangerous, you know, that's a schedule onedrug.
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It was, you know, since the late 60s, it's been illegal to even have any in your pocket,right?
The truth is, it's not dangerous like cocaine, it's actually safer than table sugar.
There's never been a case of addiction, not one.
There's never been a case of overdose, not one.
And when used properly with a trained facilitator, it creates a sense of what they callhyperneuroplasticity.
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So when we're children, when we're zero to nine years old, nine, 10 years old, your brainis in the state of neuroplasticity.
We're very, very impressionable.
You can learn three or four languages at the same time that you're learning how to walkand eat and all of these other things.
And if something happens in those formative years, if your uncle abuses you or you're evensomething simple like your dad says, you look fat in that dress, whatever it is, these
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things get imprinted into our subconscious mind and 95 % of our life is run by oursubconscious mind.
Now after nine or 10 years old, to put something new,
in our subconscious, it's going to take at least 21 days to create a new habit.
So, but you you're driving down the street, you've spent at least 21 days creating thatnew habit of knowing how to drive, your subconscious mind is hitting the brake, hitting
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the gas, you're not having to think through that all the time.
Well, if we have heavy things, it might take a lot longer than that 21 days because thatthey're so deeply embedded in our subconscious mind.
Well,
The psilocybin and even some cases people use something like ayahuasca or ketamine orwachuma.
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There's a lot of different ones we can talk about.
They create this temporary state of neuroplasticity, hyper neuroplasticity.
And used in the right environment with the right facilitator, you can create realpermanent change in a very short period of time.
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And so this is why I'm not a fan whatsoever of somebody going to a rave party and gettinghigh with their friends on mushrooms.
This is not only a bad idea, it's dangerous because you create that hyperneuroplasticityand you've got rap music going on over here.
You've got somebody yelling at their wife over here.
You've got an orgy going on over there.
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You're opening up that energy in a very dangerous place.
And the other thing that it does, especially with the psilocybin, it creates an energeticconnection with everything and everyone in a really powerful way.
And so for me, what happened, my horrific experience, which was transformational, is thatthat connection with everything I felt in every cell of my being, I felt the pain.
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that my children felt when I cheated on their mom, as if I was them.
And it was so heavy and it was so dark.
And then I felt the joy of the children that we had helped to rescue as they werereuniting with their families, as if I was them.
And it was so beautiful.
And then I felt the pain of some guy whose family broke apart because he was at my partyand slept with a cheerleader and his wife left him.
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And then I felt the ripple effect of my actions where maybe a year or two years from now,
because they're in a broken family, that the daughter ends up getting abused somehow by astepdad, or maybe the son ends up getting drugs.
mean, there's so many things that that ripple effect in my actions, and it was completelytransforming.
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I call it my ego death in that space.
And so we became advocates of the proper use and now have, I have hosted and facilitatedover 80
guided meditation, plant medicine, healing retreat experiences for people that want tobreak free of everything that's holding them back.
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uh you guys have centers that help people using different types of psychedelics as well,right?
With like ketamine.
Ketamine is the one that's legal here in the US when used with the right people.
Sadly, big pharma and have...
really high level controls on everything.
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And that the only reason why it's been legalized is the fact that it's synthetic and theycan control it.
They can make money from it.
And you do have to be careful because if it's just used recreationally, it is the one thatcan be addictive.
Right.
And so it's so important that it's used in the right format, et cetera.
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And so
We now do five and seven day fully immersive transformational healing experiences.
In the beginning, we started out with just my undercover operators who had dealing withall their PTSD.
And then we started bringing in their wives who already were on anxiety depressionmedication because they were married to a green beret.
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And then we started bringing in women who had dealt with severe
trauma as a child.
now we work with a lot of business leaders now today will come down.
Yup, I'll do it.
change the laws here in the US and I think that they will change.
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I've been friends with RFK for about 10 years and he's agreed to, he's going to come inand help change those laws in the criminal
Amazing just like peptides.
took peptides work for everyone and you know, they took those away, too It's like anythingthat's working
Yeah, well, it's because they want to keep us sick, you know, they want to us controlledand we have to recognize where those controls are coming from.
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You know, just follow the money, follow the money and you'll realize that, wow, if youcould get 10 and 20 years worth of therapy done with something that you can grow in your
backyard, well, that's going to cost them hundreds of billions of dollars.
Why would they want to allow that to be legal?
Right, right.
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Wow.
So you've held lots of these.
That's amazing.
So many people ask all the time, where are these retreats and who does them?
So that's so good to know that you guys are doing that.
Well, it's important.
A lot of people want to try it.
really do.
I'm telling you it is more important to have the right facilitator when it comes to this,then it's as important as picking the right brain surgeon if you've got a brain tumor,
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right?
You don't want to go over to your friend's house and say, hey, here's a scalpel, I've gota brain tumor, let's fix this.
No, that doesn't work.
And sadly, there are a lot of...
self-proclaimed shamans in the US and facilitators that are doing these journeyexperiences that aren't what I call setting sacred space.
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They don't have the right environment.
I'll just go through what ours looks like so that then your listener can find facilitatorsthat do this.
You can learn more about ours by just going to liberatinghumanity.com.
And we'll post all that too in the description.
Liberating Humanity will give you tools to keep your kids safe, links to buy the book, andinformation on the proper use of these tools.
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So number one, when somebody comes to ours, one of our facilitators spends at least a halfan hour on the phone with them about two weeks before they come in helping them get really
clear on their intentions.
Everything that you want to release,
and everything that you want to embrace.
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is, what is, and when you want to release, it's everything from, you know, my angerissues, my addictions, the hatred I still have towards my grandfather because of this,
whatever it is, these are all things that, that those chains are holding us back frombeing the best person that we want to be.
And then everything we want to embrace is that 4.0, that 6.0 version of ourselves.
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And, you know, more confident, more present, more loving, all of these things.
Because if you don't have clarity, when you go into that state of neuroplasticity, if youdon't have clarity about what the end result needs to look like, it's not gonna fix
anything.
If you imagine that, let's say that somebody was laying a concrete freeway, right?
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They were laying cement on the freeway and in the flowing state, that's theneuroplasticity.
That's when we're nine, 10 years old or whatever else.
But let's say that they forgot to flatten it out.
They literally just poured the concrete and it's bumps and you go through your life goingover all these bumps, right?
Well, this is an opportunity to turn it back into a flow state, into a uh flowingconcrete.
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And then you say, okay, now what I want, I want this to be this flat.
I want this to be a ramp going up, whatever it is, but you have to get clear on what youwant before you go in.
Then coming into the experience, uh the environment's super important.
We have uh our sanctuary.
is a place in nature.
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uh Nature is a really important part of the puzzle when it comes to releasing things thatare not in alignment with our highest and best self.
And so the environment there is super valuable.
We have people journal details about what they're there for.
The diet is important as well.
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We have people stay away from fatty foods for at least a week.
uh usually two weeks, uh alcohol for a couple weeks.
They have to be off of any of their SSRIs.
If they're on anxiety, depression medication, you can't create the real long-term change.
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It's kind of like if you have a deep wound and it's infected, but then you put a cast overthe top of it, you can't get down to the infection.
You can't fix anything there.
You've got to remove that bandage over the top, get down and clean it up from there.
the root, yeah.
So the diet's important when we come into the experience.
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It's uh the music.
You can't be listening to any of the lyrics or the wrong frequencies can affect thatsubconscious as well.
And so we have curated um playlists put together by John Hopkins University and some ofthe scientists there that help
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in that neuroplasticity state to be able to create the opportunity for the facilitators toget in there and help remove some of those traumas that you've been holding on your entire
life.
So, and then from there, there's 180 different strains of psilocybin.
All of them have a little bit different effect.
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People are like, mushrooms is mushrooms.
No, there's a lot of different ones that create a different experience.
Our first part of the five days, that's all about relief.
So the different strains that we use are specific and the music that we use isspecifically designed to help people break down those addictions and those habits and
release the attachments.
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We do a guided meditation.
Even before we go onto the medicine, I teach tools for people to go home and meditateevery day.
deep meditation state, do something that you, we call it Ho'oponopono, which is a Hawaiianterm for uh cutting cords of forgiving, of releasing energies that don't belong to you.
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Basically, it's, I'm sorry, I forgive you, I'm grateful, and I love you, but there's awhole bunch more to it that people can look up themselves and learn how to release those
things that don't belong to them.
So again, the...
whether it's ketamine, whether it's psilocybin, whether it's ayahuasca, whether it'swachuma, any of these, it simply creates a window of opportunity in the subconscious mind
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to go in and do real deep healing work and break free from those things that aren't inalignment with the highest and best version of you.
And the reason I spent so much time on this last 20 minutes is because I truly believe
that the answer to eradicating child trafficking starts with every single adult facingtheir own demons and saying, what do I need to change?
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Now, hopefully nobody listening to us today would ever hurt a child.
However, we all have to recognize the ripple effect of our actions.
There's something I call, I talk about this in the sound of freedom book, there'ssomething that I call trauma, or first of all, just tension transfer.
Tension transfer, imagine you go to work and you're uh having a bad day, know, yourfinances or whatever it is, and you're out of integrity, you haven't dealt with your own
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shit, and you yell at one of your employees.
That employee goes home and he yells at his wife, and his wife yells at the son, you know,when he comes home from school, and the son kicks the dog, right?
Yeah, just a big ripple effect.
uh
The dog being kicked really came from you not being an integrity that day, right?
Right now.
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Let's say now let's pretend like that What you didn't know is that that guy at work thatwe yell that?
let's say that he was abused as a child and he never dealt with that abuse issue and he heheld it inside and he a Whole bunch of bad things happened to him
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And he made a whole bunch of bad decisions throughout his life that led him down a darkroad.
Let's say he was addicted to pornography and that addiction led to some harder and harderaddictions, you know, uh more abuse videos on his addiction.
And then maybe his addiction led him to something younger, a little bit younger.
Pretty soon, he was fantasizing about something he wouldn't have even thought wasattractive five years ago because of his unhealed trauma.
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And let's say that he's also abusing alcohol.
These are all things you didn't know.
and his wife just left him.
And let's say that this is the weekend that he gets his 12 year old daughter and hercousin staying over.
Now that tension transfer didn't just end up with the kicking of the dog.
Now that tension transfer came out on a child, right?
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And so we all have to pay attention.
I love the story of the man who's sitting on the couch and he's reading his newspaper.
And his little boy comes in and he says, daddy, can we, can we play baseball?
And his daddy's like, oh, I'm busy right now.
He's not, playing, he's in the newspaper, right?
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And little boy comes back a little bit later.
He's like, daddy, daddy, it's a beautiful day outside.
Can we go play baseball, please?
His dad turns the page and he sees this map of the world.
He has this idea.
He tore, tears it out, tears out that page and he tears out the map into little pieces ofpaper.
throws it on the floor.
He says, son, you need to learn your geography.
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I want you to put the world together exactly how it's supposed to be.
Every single country, every state, go get some tape and tape it all together.
As soon as you put it together, I'll go play ball with you.
He's thinking it's gonna take a few hours for this little boy to do this.
Well, like five minutes later, the little boy comes back and the world is perfectly puttogether.
And the man says, well, how does you do that?
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And the little boy turns it over.
He says, there was a picture of a man on the other side.
I just put the man together and the whole world came together.
And that's really the answer to the riddle.
We sit here and try to think, okay, do I create another sound of freedom movie that'sgonna help hundreds of millions of people do it?
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No, all of us simply need to look in the mirror.
Do you realize that if you spent the next year in healing yourself, that's all you did isspend a year of healing yourself and then you spend that next year
Let's say it took you an entire year to mentor two people to their own healing.
And let's say that the next year those two people passed it on.
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The compounding effect of two people helping two people is literally only 33 years laterand it's the entire global population of over 8.5 billion people.
yes, every one of us can change the world.
by starting with that man on the couch with that woman in the mirror.
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That's who we need to start with.
taking responsibility for ourselves, right?
Exactly.
Wow.
That's pretty amazing.
How did you come across like
knowing all this stuff for healing and for the psilocybin, all those things.
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How did you, how were you introduced to that?
It was in, as I talked about earlier in my teenage years, was the, you know, chosen to bethe president of the peer leadership team at, at 21 years old, I started a company, um, it
was called Midwest center marketing.
did all the marketing for a lady by the name of Lucinda Bassett.
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had the attacking anxiety and depression program and, um, built that up to, uh, uh, almost$70 million in sales.
50,000 people a month calling in off of an infomercial, created a coaching program, etcetera.
And I personally, even though I was the owner of the company, I loved getting on the phonewith the people who were struggling and helping them see the light and selling them a
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personal coach.
We had a 100 % money back guarantee if they hadn't overcome their anxiety and depressionand PTSD within the course over a period of...
three to six months, then we'd give them their money back.
And we had a 97 % success rate because we weren't using drugs, we weren't using Prozac andXanax, we were getting down to the roots of the problem and helping people change the
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negative habit patterns of thought, the worry, the what if thinking, the negativeexpectations, the perceptions we have of ourself, our coping skills in dealing with
stress.
These are all things that come from things.
in our subconscious mind, usually from our past, but they're driving our lives.
And so that's where that came from.
I sold that company at 29 years old and uh started investing in real estate.
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It did pretty well in the real estate world.
um And that's the money that I used to fund the Sound of Freedom.
was a primary investor in the movie.
um
As I was doing the undercover work, I retired completely from the real estate world andwent into the darkness of the world and the rescue missions.
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it was about eight years ago when I was in that dark place in my life.
I was helping kids, but I was unhappy in my marriage, unhappy in every area of my life.
And that's when my operators introduced me to that doctor.
And it was so transformative for me, that first experience, that I hired her.
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She was my personal facilitator.
I paid her $100,000 for full, it wasn't even full time.
She had four clients, each she would give one fourth of her time for the year.
But I needed to really go deep and fix those things that weren't in alignment.
And I remember, you know, I had told her about that.
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first experience of me facing that darkness and feeling that energetic connection witheveryone.
And we were in another one of these journey experiences.
She had picked a different strain of psilocybin to take me through a different experiencewith some different uh music, et cetera.
And I'm in this state of hyperneuroplasticity again, you know, and I actually hired her togo and go to lunch with each of my employees.
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my my my not all of them but my close ones to me my sons, family members, etc.
so that she could find out what I needed to work on right so she
They were willing to tell it all.
Exactly.
So then I says, yeah, you figure out what I need to fix so that when I'm in that stateagain, you can work with me like you need to.
so, so this next one, I was sitting there and, and in my living room, I had, had thesehuge statues of Greek gods.
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had Zeus and Poseidon and they're like, three and a half feet tall.
They were all, you know, beautiful bronze.
And, and I had, I had Atlas in the middle and Atlas was holding the world on hisshoulders, you know.
And I told her I was still in my ego self a little bit and a lot.
I said, I said, know, I feel a lot like Atlas.
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I've got, you at the time I had the company that I had founded had a few thousandemployees.
And I says, you know, I feel like I have the world on my shoulders, you know, with thecharity work that I'm doing and the employees, but you know, look how God made me so
strong, you know, the stomach muscles of my statue are strong.
And she smiled and she said, Paul, I
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I honor that you're seeing some of those traits and those statues, but you know as well asI do that those were mythological gods.
She said, what about your relationship with him?
And she points at the statue I had of Jesus in the room.
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And I'm in a full open-hearted, open mind state.
And I said, I don't qualify.
or a relationship with him.
And she said, well, why not?
I said, well, you know, with my parties and stuff, I don't keep all the commandments.
I said, and when I was, I left the church of my youth about 10 years before.
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And I said, my bishop told me that until I was rebaptized into that church, I wouldn'thave the spirit of God with me.
And she said, well, do you really believe that?
I said, well, no, I...
I try to do good, I help in the charity work with the kids.
And she said, why don't you work on that relationship for a minute?
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And so here I'm, you I've got six grams of mushrooms, I can barely walk, but she helps metake this statue down and I sat on the bean bag for the next two and a half hours holding
this statue and crying and rebuilding a relationship that I had lost 10 plus years before.
So.
You know, Alcoholics Anonymous, the 12-step program, I think it's either four or five ofthose steps, says you need to, are God-centered.
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You know, it's not a specific religion, but you've got to acknowledge the presence of yourcreator in this process of breaking free.
The same thing with Sexual Addicts Anonymous.
You know, that is such an important part of it, and that's what was missing in my life.
the proper facilitator with the right music and the right atmosphere was able to bringthat back in where I now have a closer relationship with God than I've ever had my whole
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life.
And so anyway, that's kind of a full circle of what I believe needs to happen.
You trusted her then at this point.
You have to.
If you don't trust your facilitator, sadly there are facilitators out there who, and Itrusted her because she came as a um referral from the people I trusted the very most,
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meaning the undercover operators I have served with.
They were the ones that brought her in and we had a lot of conversations before, but inthat hyper neuroplasticity state of being very impressionable, if your facilitator is
not in integrity, some negative things can happen.
You know, it's so important to have that.
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I've heard a lot of people tell stories about their shaman and this and that, and it wasjust them.
did all these things.
And me, I'm a survivor of a whole lot of things.
ah I always wanted to do it, but that's been my biggest fear.
I don't even know that person.
How do I trust them?
But like you said, she came through others that you trusted.
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And now we have, you know, with our events, we have a uh one to two ratio.
So we have 20 participants and 10 facilitators fully trained.
And in each situation, we had one recently where this woman was dealing with some sexualtrauma from her childhood and in the process, you know, some sexual energy was coming out
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and we have a rule.
you know, if that's the case, there's always two facilitators with them.
you know, it's in that case, because her addiction was sex with men, we have two femalefacilitators with her to help her through that, right?
I removed myself as a facilitator because I didn't want to have that energy be there.
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And so again, we as when you have 10 facilitators that can help people work through whatthey need to, then you can.
you can bring in the right person for the right job at the right time as we're helpingpeople through their process.
Okay, love it.
That's amazing.
Wow.
I'm trying to look at the time here because I know your time is very limited.
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We've got an hour, so we probably have about five, 10 minutes left that we can answer anyquestions that you have and anything that you think that the audience might want to know.
So for me, and I bet there are quite a few people that would want to know, even when youthink of the sound of freedom, and people are like, oh my gosh, that's so terrible.
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And they related to that, and it sunk in, and the reality of what it could be.
But I think so many people out there think that this is only happening overseas or out ofthe country.
People don't realize that this could be going on with a neighbor or...
It's so bad in the States that I don't think anyone's truly aware or they don't want tobe, you know, aware.
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So with what you've done, I mean, I'm sure you've seen all kinds of things like how do weeducate people more on the reality of what's going on right here, right in your backyard?
Well, it is important to understand that the children who are moved around, who are takento another country, whatever else, that doesn't happen like, yes, there are cases like
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what you saw in Center Freedom where kids are taken from a healthy home and put into acontainer and move that.
That's not the
The majority of children that are in that kind of situation come from broken homes orrunaways or a broken foster care program.
There's a massive high percentage of children in the foster care program who go throughsexual abuse or being sold, et cetera.
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the families...
Yeah, young...
For sure.
Now for families that say, well, my kids aren't at risk then because we have a mom and adad at home.
What you need to understand is that there's a very high percentage of children who arebeing exploited and even sold for money for these kind of services, quote unquote, who
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sleep in their own beds at night.
Parents are like, what?
How does that happen?
We had a, for example, I was in one of the operations, there was this little girl, she was13, just turned 13.
Her babysitter was her aunt.
Her aunt,
was showing her pornography.
Her aunt was working with the traffickers.
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The mother had no idea.
The aunt got her doing some drugs and some things that she was like, okay, now we have ourown little secrets, our own little secrets that are only between us and your mom doesn't
know.
And she told this little girl, she says, you're gonna lose your virginity anyway.
You lose it to one of these guys, I'll pay you $500.
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So she was charging us $5,000.
And this is how it starts.
And then they control them through fear.
There's in the United States, a period of last five years, there was an average, up untiljust the end of last year, there was an average of 130,000 children a year that were being
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brought in across the border, unaccompanied minors.
Now, the border wall should have never been a political issue.
This is not a right or a
This was a human trafficking issue.
every single day from healthy families, I didn't say wealthy families, but healthyfamilies throughout Latin America, children were being taken.
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And just like what you saw in Sound of Freedom, immediately upon being taken, these kidswere being controlled through giving them drugs, controlled through fear.
We know where your mother lives.
We know where your sister goes to school.
You don't want bad things to happen to them, do you?
Okay, you'll do exactly what we say.
And this happens every day.
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That there was a little girl who was in New York who, she was taken from Mexico City at 12years old.
She was sold 20 plus times a day until she was 17 years old when she escaped.
um then they beat her up, brought her back into it.
uh A little while later, she escaped again.
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had seen a phone number of one of our sister foundations, called that and we were able toget her out.
I remember, was, this was years ago, we brought her over to our house for Christmas thatyear.
And cause she didn't have a family she could go back to at the time.
And we asked her, I remember saying, said, I said, tell me this, on the internet,
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You know, at the time you have Backpage, you still have erotica.com, I mean all thesesites, right?
I the girls that are in cities like New York, like Los Angeles, like Chicago, the girlswho are online prostitutes, who claim that they are independent, I said, what percentage
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of them really are independent?
And I was thinking it was maybe half.
She goes, no, she says it's not half.
She says at least 90.
to 95 % of those girls are being trafficked.
The ones that say they're independent.
She said, they are being controlled.
They'll give them drugs, they'll rape them, they'll control them through fear.
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And she says they're being controlled.
So guys, if you think, this is a victimless crime, you know, I'm just going to this city,I'm doing these things, but this is an adult girl.
No, chances are you're contributing to human trafficking.
Even pornography.
And I'm gonna go there for a second, guys.
Most people who are watching this have seen pornography and stuff.
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It doesn't mean you're gonna become a pedophile.
However, there's pornography acts like a hardcore drug.
Harder than even cocaine for some guys, right?
And just like a hard drug, some guys need something harder to have that same fix.
And for some of them, harder is more...
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bondage things or other type.
For some of them, harder is a little bit younger, et cetera.
And that's what leads them down this road.
And people are like, well, yeah, I'm not addicted.
oh Yeah, give it up for a year and tell me you're not addicted, Chances are it started outwith something softer.
You were looking at the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
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then it went to the Victoria's Secret.
lingerie stuff and then it went to know booby pictures and then it went to videos and thenwent to then it went to yes there's a progression the very second the very second that you
take a woman from the divine feminine to an object you start going down that dark road andit's so important to get a handle on that to fix it immediate if you need to you know go
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do a ketamine thing go to South America with us and do a journey experience whatever it is
Fix it, somehow find those tools to release those things that are not in alignment withthe best version of you.
Right.
So that's all.
Yeah.
I don't feel bad that I've always been the way overprotective mom, grandma, like neverspending the night at anyone's houses, all the things.
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This is exactly why.
Well, and we don't have to be a helicopter mom, but we do need to be aware.
we do need to make sure our kids know what's appropriate, what's not.
And you need to be their 911.
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That's so important.
Yeah, I was gonna say it's always goes back to like what you said in the beginning therelationship the relationship with their parents it has to be strong it has to be a good
one where they feel comfortable
Exactly.
So, wrapping up, I was gonna ask you, like with your book, so I know plenty of people haveseen Sound of Freedom, the movie.
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What do you dive into more?
I just got your PDF last night, so I'm so excited to read it.
But um what can you tell people to like draw them in some, what are they gonna find out?
What are they gonna learn from the book compared to Sound of Freedom?
So much.
the movie just created.
Yeah, the movie just created awareness.
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That's all.
And there's not a lot of tools there to keep your kids safe.
So that the first part of the Sound of Freedom book is that the making of an undercoveroperators, which which talks about, you know, our situational awareness training and hand
to hand combat training and and even, you know, creating uh success.
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in your financial career so that you can make an impact in the world, cetera.
So I discuss all of that in the very beginning.
And then I go through the details of the rescue on the island and the Haiti stuff, thedoctors in the jungle, a lot of different things of different experiences I had.
I take the reader through that transformational experience of that darkness into thelight.
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And it's such a beautiful light at the end of the tunnel that it is really transformative.
Then the whole last section, the last, I think, four or five chapters is all aboutliberating humanity.
What does that look like?
How do we heal from this?
What does generational trauma look like?
And how do we stop that before it hits that next generation?
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How do we identify those signs in our kids so that we can give them the help that theyneed?
before it ever turns into something worse.
that's really all the solution, solution, solution stuff is all the five or six chaptersof the book.
excited.
I it.
I can't wait.
Yes.
Can't wait to read it and you're you made a good point with generational trauma, too Iknow that that's very real.
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Some people would be like, that's hokey now that's something I'm working on right now toobecause I come from a long line of Generational trauma and I've just started working on
it.
So it's very real and
God bless you for breaking that chain.
That's what it's all about.
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You healed from the stuff you need to heal from and now you're healing others so that yourkids, your grandchildren don't ever have to go through what you went through.
And that takes a very strong woman to do that.
So I honor you for that.
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
And we'll just make sure, I mean, we're definitely going to make sure that we put all yourlinks in there.
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McKenna will make sure that they're all in the description, you know, for the movie, foryour book, for your...
You have multiple foundations, right?
Yeah, the Child Liberation Foundation, you can go to childliberation.org.
Child Liberation Foundation is the main foundation that funds a lot of the otherfoundations that we support.
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Okay.
Okay.
I'm excited for everybody to have this information and to listen to your expertise and thethings you, wow, the things you've done, the things you've went through.
I could sit here and talk to you for like eight hours and ask you a thousand questions.
I did a four and a half hour podcast once.
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Yeah, I did a four and a half hour when yeah, I was talking forever on it.
But yeah, I would talk longer today if I didn't sadly have another one in another 15, 20minutes.
So
Well, we might just have to do another one.
I mean, you have so much, you're a wealth of information.
Thank you.
I am so honored.
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So honored.
And have a good time on your next one.
I will.
Thank you so much for having me on your show.
Hi and welcome back to Beyond the Monsters.
Today I have Paul Hutchinson here and I can't even tell you what an honor this is Paulbecause you know we've been wanting to expose a lot of the things that are going on as far
as human trafficking, child trafficking and Paul just happens to be the executive producerof The Sound of Freedom.
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I'm sure most people have seen it.
If...
They haven't, I don't know, they're under a rock or something out there because I thinkwe've all seen it and we've all been touched by it.
And I just wanted to give you just this little tiny introduction and let you go fromthere.
I'm turning inside out of inside out
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Thank you, Shel.
I'm incredibly grateful to be here with you and with your audience today.
in fact, the Sound of Freedom book literally launched just this week.
So two years ago, the movie became the number one independent film in the world.
literally hundreds of millions of children are safer now because of that awareness.
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But a lot of parents are like, okay, you know, they'll leave the movie.
like, okay, I want to do something.
want to...
Go help rescue kids.
The worst thing you can do is go to Mexico and try to go undercover.
You're going to get arrested.
You're probably going to get shot.
The best thing you can do is go home and hug your children and create a healthyenvironment there.
And I give parents the tools they need to keep their kids safe, the situational awarenessand reading a room and understanding the signs of a child that might be in a situation
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where they're being groomed, et cetera.
These are all things that we as parents can be aware of.
and can keep our kids safe.
And so I'm excited to share the story of bringing that global movement to the world.
uh I led or played a key part in over 70 undercover child rescue missions in 15 countriesover a period of 10 years.
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And I've seen the darkest part of humanity.
There's nothing that compares to the darkness of seeing an eight-year-old.
being sold.
uh I've also seen the light, the beautiful light of the rehabilitation and reuniting ofkids with their families.
And more important than that, I clearly understand what needs to happen for humanity tobreak free of the toxicity that is creating things like child trafficking.
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So I'm excited to share all of that with you and your audience.
Can't wait.
So you go ahead and you dive in, you know, at whatever point you'd like to.
I mean, I'm just, I just feel blessed that you're here so we can share all this with ourlisteners and the people that are watching.
It's something that we've really wanted to touch on and here you are.
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Like, so let's go.
Well, some high level stuff I think everybody needs to be aware of.
uh Number one, uh human trafficking is the fastest growing criminal enterprise in theworld.
And good people don't know that it's even happening.
At least they didn't before the sound of freedom.
uh children in that kind of abuse, that trafficking being sold, there's over 10 million ofthem today.
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However,
That's a tiny number compared to the real problem.
And the real problem is this.
Literally, in every four women that you know, that I know, one in every four women in theUnited States, were a victim of sexual abuse as a child.
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As a child.
Now that's just the ones who talk about it.
I believe the number is more than double that because the average age of somebody talkingabout
that kind of darkness in their childhood.
The average age is 52 years old.
That's my age.
I've got grandkids.
I've lived my life.
And if we're holding on to that so many years, what happens is it comes out.
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It comes out in anger, in low self-esteem, in anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions.
All of this stuff is a result of unhealed wounds that so many of us carry.
Now for men, it's a little bit less.
One in every five men have been a victim of sexual abuse at some time in their life.
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But even them, one in every four of them, it was under the age of 10 years old in theirown homes.
And so literally speaking, you could, I don't care if somebody's living in an apartmentcomplex or an affluent neighborhood, if you walked out in your front porch, out of your
front door, and you looked left and you looked right, there's a very high chance that oneof those homes
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is a dangerous place for children because of the statistics of how many kids go throughthis.
Now, we're gonna talk today about what healing looks like, but I'm gonna go into thedarkness first because we can't dissipate the darkness, we can't eradicate the darkness
until we recognize what it is.
And that's how we alchemize these things in our life is we bring them into the light.
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Once the darkness is in the light, it dissipates completely, it's gone.
And so it's important that we bring these things into the light.
so, you know, back up when I was in my teenage years, I was asked by our principal of ourhigh school to lead something called the peer leadership team.
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And kids, if they go to a teacher with...
abuse situations at home or whatever legally that teacher has to go to authority etc.
So many kids they don't feel comfortable even talking to a teacher.
So I was trained at a young age to be a peer counselor and in that training and then as acounselor I realized the magnitude of this problem of how many kids were dealing with
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anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions because of that unhealed trauma and and so
And sadly, moving forward, I realized that over 70 % of incarcerated felons
speak about their challenges as a child, abuse as a child.
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God bless everybody who's listening to us today who dealt with that kind of pain andbecame protectors.
Most of my operators, when we led these undercover missions, most of my operators wereabused as children.
And the majority of people who go through that grow up to be protectors.
There's no way that that trauma is ever going to be passed on.
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But like I said, it does come out.
it does come out in all of these behaviors of anger issues and addictions.
know, guys who were, I had one of my operators had a uh sexual addiction that wasinsatiable.
He was abused at eight years old by his uncle and literally spent his whole teenage andadult life trying to prove to himself that he wasn't gay by sleeping with every woman
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possible, right?
And so there's...
There's so many unhealed wounds, alcoholism and drug abuse and everything that a lot ofthat comes from that.
Now, if not giving the love to help the healing that they need, one third of those whowere abused as children become contact offenders, meaning either verbally, physically, or
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in some cases, sexually abusing somebody else.
And so I found myself.
I found myself in all of these missions.
I found myself wishing that I could have got to these kids before they're ever hurt in thefirst place.
I was so mad.
We literally, I would be face to face with traffickers in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haitiand downtown Mexico City in the most dangerous, darkest places on the planet and seeing
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these children, children who were being abused.
20, 30 times a day thinking, how are they ever going to recover from this?
I wish that we had got here five years ago, 10 years ago before this child ever got inthis situation.
And then I realized though that even then, if we pull these kids out of that situationbefore it happened, if not enough was being done to fix the demand, then 20 more kids
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would be sucked back into the deepest recesses of hell.
Right.
fulfill that demand.
so, and don't get me wrong listeners on this next part.
I am not a sympathizer in any way of anyone who hurts a child.
I've literally put my life in danger hundreds of times to ensure that innocence ispreserved and that those kids are saved.
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However, I recognize that just pulling the kids out of hell
wasn't going to fix the problem.
We need to pull the hell out of humanity to fix it.
I realized that the majority of the traffickers were trafficked themselves as children.
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The majority of the perpetrators were abused themselves as children.
And so if we're really going to eradicate child trafficking, it's not going to come.
with me and my operators doing a thousand more undercover missions and pulling kids out ofhell around the world.
The only way we're gonna fix this is by showing humanity the darkness, which we did withthe sound of freedom and saying, okay, now I have your attention, let's talk about this.
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Where's it coming from?
What do we need to do to heal this so that we never have to have this conversation in thefuture?
And so,
So that's what we're going to go through today.
We're going to talk about what healing looks like.
But first of all, I want to give some parents the some tools that you can use.
Preventative tools and you'll find these things in the Sound of Freedom book.
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You can get them on at Amazon.
There's so much information there, but but.
I I went through extensive training on Krav Maga hand to hand combat training weaponstraining.
I have a.
as they would say, a special set of skills that comes from a previous life that makes mesomewhat safe in a dangerous place.
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However, the majority of the things that we used in those dangerous situations weren'twhat we call hard skills of uh martial arts, et cetera.
The majority of them was understanding situational awareness.
In fact, if you're ever to a point where
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you have to go to hard skills, know, punches and knives and whatever.
If you're ever to that point, you have missed 95 % of the opportunities to keep you andyour family safe.
Just by being able to read a room, just by recognizing some of the little signs.
There's a book that I had a lot of my operators read called The Gift of Fear.
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And in that, it talks about how our subconscious mind is picking up on
millions of little teeny cues everywhere.
You might be walking into the restaurant and there's a, out of your peripheral, there wasa guy that was standing in the alley that had a heavy coat on and it was too heavy for
that time of day, it was too warm, you know, and was acting.
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But your conscious mind was too focused on just getting in the door and talking to yourfriend on the phone or whatever.
Your subconscious mind picked that up.
Your subconscious mind picked up the reflection in the...
the window of something going on behind you.
So your subconscious mind speaks to you in ways that your conscious mind doesn't.
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And beyond that, your super conscious mind, your access to the connection with the energyof the universe and each other is something where if we as parents start listening to
that, it's going to go a long ways in that situational awareness and keeping our kidssafe.
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Also, you need a relationship with your children where they can very comfortably come toyou and say, hey, mom, I don't like it when you tell me to hug Uncle Harry.
Because, you know, he's been touching me weird and tries to go alone with me in places inthe house.
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And now he says we should have sleepovers at his house.
And I just don't feel comfortable.
Or I don't like going to this
friend's house because her brother took pictures of us when we were changing and now hesays he's going to use them around the school unless I do things after school with him and
his friends or I don't like this babysitter, she's showing us pornography and says weshould trust her more than you.
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There's so many things that your relationship with your children and their ability to haveyou be their 911 is everything.
Right.
I can tell you too, Paul, we've had so many guests on that have been in those situationsand have went to their parents and they didn't believe them or they just kind of brushed
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it off.
So what you're saying as far as a relationship, you know, the parent child relationship,you're so right.
It's so important because if they don't feel like they can come to you, then they're justgoing to keep it in or worse.
It's going to happen.
It's going to get worse or they are going to go spend the night at uncle whoever's house.
And that's such a good point.
Well, and the worst thing you can do as a parent in that situation is to discount whatthey were saying.
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That causes as much or more trauma than the trauma itself.
The person they love and trust saying, know, brushing it off or don't tell anybody becauseit might hurt the family's reputation.
No, if your child comes to you with something like that, there is a very, very, very highchance that it really did happen.
Children don't lie about stuff like that.
Not very often at all.
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And so, yes, it's so important to...
to understand that.
I've had missions where I had one in Dominican Republic where
The trafficker was an escaped convict from the US and he had been selling kids for over adecade there.
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He had connected us with some other traffickers that were there, but the one that left it.
start impression in my heart, in my soul was when he connected me with a mother who wasselling her own kids.
uh you know, most of us as mothers and fathers are, we'd give our lives for our kids.
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Sadly, if addiction is involved, if their own trauma of their childhood, I mean, there's amillion different things there.
This mother,
was not just renting her kids out, she was selling them to me for $10,000 each.
And he put me on the phone with her.
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She said, I need you to make me a promise.
Now she thought that we were taking the kids to Miami to be in an underage strip club, abrothel thing there.
She said, I need you to make me a promise.
And I'm thinking, okay, this is interesting.
This mother wants me to say hey, make sure they're well fed and taken care of.
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She said, I said, what promise do you need?
She said, when you're done with them, if you're ever done with them.
I need you to be done with them.
She said, I don't want this ever to come back on me.
I don't want them ever to try to find me.
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If you're ever done prostituting my...
And they were nine and 11.
Oh god.
So I found myself seeing the darkest part of what happens when people allow theiraddictions.
You know, she was really addicted to some really nasty drugs and their greed, theirarrogance.
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I found myself in my very first rescue mission.
thought that traffickers would have
earrings in their noses and tattoos down their necks.
The first trafficker I met, if you guys have seen the movie Sound of Freedom, know, mycharacter is Pablo.
Pablo is the wealthy business owner that halfway through Jim Cavie's life, if I canconvince Pablo, we can make this happen.
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And that was me in real life.
He, a Homeland Security agent in Columbia had found these children and needed somebody tohelp finance the mission.
and needed somebody to play the role of the wealthy buyer because this trafficker had apiece of property he wanted to develop into a child brothel resort type of a thing.
And so that was me in real life.
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I end up going down and being face to face with these traffickers.
And that was my first undercover mission.
uh
The common thread with the traffickers, I thought that it would be, you know, tattoos ordreadlocks or whatever.
common thread I realized was arrogance, greed, and lust.
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And the first trafficker I met was a businessman.
was clean shaven.
He was, you know, well spoken.
The second I met was a beautiful woman.
She ran a modeling agency, just like what you saw in the movie.
um
She was pulling kids in from poor areas and duping their parents into thinking they weregoing to be a model.
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And this stuff was real.
We took eight different rescue missions and put them all together into that one storyline.
But the moment that changed my life was I'm sitting on a chair, just like you and I areright now.
The traffickers have brought 54 children to the island.
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One of them brought out four virgins.
He called them zero kilometer miles.
Oh geez.
talking about them like they're commodities, like they're a car.
And this one child, this 11 year old standing in front of me, she wasn't much taller thanI was as I was sitting down and she was standing up.
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And you know, she had red hair, it was long braids halfway down her back.
She had a kitty cat painted on her shirt, had a little cat face on it.
and she had been crying her makeup, they had put makeup on this little 11 year old and hermakeup was all smeared.
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And all I could see was fear in her eyes.
And I made a commitment at that moment to myself, to God, to that child, that I woulddedicate my life to eradicating that evil from the face of the earth.
And that began my...
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my transformation.
And that's when it started.
You know, it was a uh bunch of missions later.
It was two and a half, three years later that I had done a bunch of missions.
But I was doing a lot of good, but I was still broken myself.
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And I recognized that I was filled with arrogance and greed and lust.
I wasn't doing anything illegal.
was helping the children, but I was having parties at my house every other weekend withhalf-dressed girls and NBA players.
was on my second marriage headed for a divorce.
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was thinking that happiness was going to come from one more party, one more girl, onemore, one more.
And uh then I was super empty inside.
And uh this is where my major transformation happened.
We were blowing through our undercover operators.
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I had green berets with 300 missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Middle East, and theyalready had PTSD.
And one undercover mission with me and seeing a menu with children's faces on it and theamount of money that each performance of those kids would cost.
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And it would just wreck these Navy SEALs, Green Berets, they were having a hard time.
And I had two operators, one, Jimmy Rex, had done 13 missions with me and one, AndrewMcCubbins.
Andrew had done 22 missions with me.
They called me up on the phone together and they said, Paul, do you trust us?
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And I said, yeah, I trust you with my life, literally.
You know, on these missions, I'm in charge of talking, you're in charge of making sure Idon't die.
They said, need to come to this healing retreat with us.
I'm like, I don't need to heal.
I'm Paul F.
Hutchinson, right?
I said, everybody wants to be me.
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can uh get any girl I want to.
I can buy things and whatever.
And this was my energy at the time.
And they said, no, you do need to heal.
Your children don't talk to you.
Your marriage is a disaster.
Your relationship with...
your creator disappeared a long time ago.
um You may not be addicted to cocaine and heroin, but you're addicted to everything elseyou can think of, know, especially anything wearing a skirt.
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that's...
They were, they were.
And I said, okay, I'll go, I'll go.
um this doctor they were working with had traveled around the world.
in identifying different types of holistic healing modalities.
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She had specialized in the proper use, and this is so important, the proper use ofpsychedelics when it comes to anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma.
Now, what was interesting is they had told me this doctor could
help people overcome these things in literally a few days.
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And I said, well, that's BS.
I said, because my company that I built in my early 20s helped people overcome thosethings.
We had 50,000 people a month calling in off of an infomercial to get help with anxiety,depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma.
This is not something you overcome in a few days.
This is something that took us a minimum of 12 weeks with a personal coach working one totwo hours a day.
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just to start changing those negative habit patterns of thought.
from a scientific standpoint, let me teach what worked here because this, well, let tellyou my experience first.
This was by far the most transformational experience of my life, bar none.
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And everything, everything, everything changed for me.
It was the most beautiful, horrific experience.
of my life, horrific because what, and this doctor was using not a micro dose but aceremonial dose of psilocybin.
And you know, I thought that psilocybin was dangerous, you know, that's a schedule onedrug.
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It was, you know, since the late 60s, it's been illegal to even have any in your pocket,right?
The truth is, it's not dangerous like cocaine, it's actually safer than table sugar.
There's never been a case of addiction, not one.
There's never been a case of overdose, not one.
And when used properly with a trained facilitator, it creates a sense of what they callhyperneuroplasticity.
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So when we're children, when we're zero to nine years old, nine, 10 years old, your brainis in the state of neuroplasticity.
We're very, very impressionable.
You can learn three or four languages at the same time that you're learning how to walkand eat and all of these other things.
And if something happens in those formative years, if your uncle abuses you or you're evensomething simple like your dad says, you look fat in that dress, whatever it is, these
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things get imprinted into our subconscious mind and 95 % of our life is run by oursubconscious mind.
Now after nine or 10 years old, to put something new,
in our subconscious, it's going to take at least 21 days to create a new habit.
So, but you you're driving down the street, you've spent at least 21 days creating thatnew habit of knowing how to drive, your subconscious mind is hitting the brake, hitting
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the gas, you're not having to think through that all the time.
Well, if we have heavy things, it might take a lot longer than that 21 days because thatthey're so deeply embedded in our subconscious mind.
Well,
The psilocybin and even some cases people use something like ayahuasca or ketamine orwachuma.
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There's a lot of different ones we can talk about.
They create this temporary state of neuroplasticity, hyper neuroplasticity.
And used in the right environment with the right facilitator, you can create realpermanent change in a very short period of time.
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And so this is why I'm not a fan whatsoever of somebody going to a rave party and gettinghigh with their friends on mushrooms.
This is not only a bad idea, it's dangerous because you create that hyperneuroplasticityand you've got rap music going on over here.
You've got somebody yelling at their wife over here.
You've got an orgy going on over there.
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You're opening up that energy in a very dangerous place.
And the other thing that it does, especially with the psilocybin, it creates an energeticconnection with everything and everyone in a really powerful way.
And so for me, what happened, my horrific experience, which was transformational, is thatthat connection with everything I felt in every cell of my being, I felt the pain.
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that my children felt when I cheated on their mom, as if I was them.
And it was so heavy and it was so dark.
And then I felt the joy of the children that we had helped to rescue as they werereuniting with their families, as if I was them.
And it was so beautiful.
And then I felt the pain of some guy whose family broke apart because he was at my partyand slept with a cheerleader and his wife left him.
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And then I felt the ripple effect of my actions where maybe a year or two years from now,
because they're in a broken family, that the daughter ends up getting abused somehow by astepdad, or maybe the son ends up getting drugs.
mean, there's so many things that that ripple effect in my actions, and it was completelytransforming.
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I call it my ego death in that space.
And so we became advocates of the proper use and now have, I have hosted and facilitatedover 80
guided meditation, plant medicine, healing retreat experiences for people that want tobreak free of everything that's holding them back.
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uh you guys have centers that help people using different types of psychedelics as well,right?
With like ketamine.
Ketamine is the one that's legal here in the US when used with the right people.
Sadly, big pharma and have...
really high level controls on everything.
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And that the only reason why it's been legalized is the fact that it's synthetic and theycan control it.
They can make money from it.
And you do have to be careful because if it's just used recreationally, it is the one thatcan be addictive.
Right.
And so it's so important that it's used in the right format, et cetera.
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And so
We now do five and seven day fully immersive transformational healing experiences.
In the beginning, we started out with just my undercover operators who had dealing withall their PTSD.
And then we started bringing in their wives who already were on anxiety depressionmedication because they were married to a green beret.
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And then we started bringing in women who had dealt with severe
trauma as a child.
now we work with a lot of business leaders now today will come down.
Yup, I'll do it.
change the laws here in the US and I think that they will change.
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I've been friends with RFK for about 10 years and he's agreed to, he's going to come inand help change those laws in the criminal
Amazing just like peptides.
took peptides work for everyone and you know, they took those away, too It's like anythingthat's working
Yeah, well, it's because they want to keep us sick, you know, they want to us controlledand we have to recognize where those controls are coming from.
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You know, just follow the money, follow the money and you'll realize that, wow, if youcould get 10 and 20 years worth of therapy done with something that you can grow in your
backyard, well, that's going to cost them hundreds of billions of dollars.
Why would they want to allow that to be legal?
Right, right.
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Wow.
So you've held lots of these.
That's amazing.
So many people ask all the time, where are these retreats and who does them?
So that's so good to know that you guys are doing that.
Well, it's important.
A lot of people want to try it.
really do.
I'm telling you it is more important to have the right facilitator when it comes to this,then it's as important as picking the right brain surgeon if you've got a brain tumor,
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right?
You don't want to go over to your friend's house and say, hey, here's a scalpel, I've gota brain tumor, let's fix this.
No, that doesn't work.
And sadly, there are a lot of...
self-proclaimed shamans in the US and facilitators that are doing these journeyexperiences that aren't what I call setting sacred space.
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They don't have the right environment.
I'll just go through what ours looks like so that then your listener can find facilitatorsthat do this.
You can learn more about ours by just going to liberatinghumanity.com.
And we'll post all that too in the description.
Liberating Humanity will give you tools to keep your kids safe, links to buy the book, andinformation on the proper use of these tools.
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So number one, when somebody comes to ours, one of our facilitators spends at least a halfan hour on the phone with them about two weeks before they come in helping them get really
clear on their intentions.
Everything that you want to release,
and everything that you want to embrace.
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is, what is, and when you want to release, it's everything from, you know, my angerissues, my addictions, the hatred I still have towards my grandfather because of this,
whatever it is, these are all things that, that those chains are holding us back frombeing the best person that we want to be.
And then everything we want to embrace is that 4.0, that 6.0 version of ourselves.
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And, you know, more confident, more present, more loving, all of these things.
Because if you don't have clarity, when you go into that state of neuroplasticity, if youdon't have clarity about what the end result needs to look like, it's not gonna fix
anything.
If you imagine that, let's say that somebody was laying a concrete freeway, right?
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They were laying cement on the freeway and in the flowing state, that's theneuroplasticity.
That's when we're nine, 10 years old or whatever else.
But let's say that they forgot to flatten it out.
They literally just poured the concrete and it's bumps and you go through your life goingover all these bumps, right?
Well, this is an opportunity to turn it back into a flow state, into a uh flowingconcrete.
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And then you say, okay, now what I want, I want this to be this flat.
I want this to be a ramp going up, whatever it is, but you have to get clear on what youwant before you go in.
Then coming into the experience, uh the environment's super important.
We have uh our sanctuary.
is a place in nature.
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uh Nature is a really important part of the puzzle when it comes to releasing things thatare not in alignment with our highest and best self.
And so the environment there is super valuable.
We have people journal details about what they're there for.
The diet is important as well.
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We have people stay away from fatty foods for at least a week.
uh usually two weeks, uh alcohol for a couple weeks.
They have to be off of any of their SSRIs.
If they're on anxiety, depression medication, you can't create the real long-term change.
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It's kind of like if you have a deep wound and it's infected, but then you put a cast overthe top of it, you can't get down to the infection.
You can't fix anything there.
You've got to remove that bandage over the top, get down and clean it up from there.
the root, yeah.
So the diet's important when we come into the experience.
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It's uh the music.
You can't be listening to any of the lyrics or the wrong frequencies can affect thatsubconscious as well.
And so we have curated um playlists put together by John Hopkins University and some ofthe scientists there that help
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in that neuroplasticity state to be able to create the opportunity for the facilitators toget in there and help remove some of those traumas that you've been holding on your entire
life.
So, and then from there, there's 180 different strains of psilocybin.
All of them have a little bit different effect.
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People are like, mushrooms is mushrooms.
No, there's a lot of different ones that create a different experience.
Our first part of the five days, that's all about relief.
So the different strains that we use are specific and the music that we use isspecifically designed to help people break down those addictions and those habits and
release the attachments.
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We do a guided meditation.
Even before we go onto the medicine, I teach tools for people to go home and meditateevery day.
deep meditation state, do something that you, we call it Ho'oponopono, which is a Hawaiianterm for uh cutting cords of forgiving, of releasing energies that don't belong to you.
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Basically, it's, I'm sorry, I forgive you, I'm grateful, and I love you, but there's awhole bunch more to it that people can look up themselves and learn how to release those
things that don't belong to them.
So again, the...
whether it's ketamine, whether it's psilocybin, whether it's ayahuasca, whether it'swachuma, any of these, it simply creates a window of opportunity in the subconscious mind
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to go in and do real deep healing work and break free from those things that aren't inalignment with the highest and best version of you.
And the reason I spent so much time on this last 20 minutes is because I truly believe
that the answer to eradicating child trafficking starts with every single adult facingtheir own demons and saying, what do I need to change?
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Now, hopefully nobody listening to us today would ever hurt a child.
However, we all have to recognize the ripple effect of our actions.
There's something I call, I talk about this in the sound of freedom book, there'ssomething that I call trauma, or first of all, just tension transfer.
Tension transfer, imagine you go to work and you're uh having a bad day, know, yourfinances or whatever it is, and you're out of integrity, you haven't dealt with your own
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shit, and you yell at one of your employees.
That employee goes home and he yells at his wife, and his wife yells at the son, you know,when he comes home from school, and the son kicks the dog, right?
Yeah, just a big ripple effect.
uh
The dog being kicked really came from you not being an integrity that day, right?
Right now.
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Let's say now let's pretend like that What you didn't know is that that guy at work thatwe yell that?
let's say that he was abused as a child and he never dealt with that abuse issue and he heheld it inside and he a Whole bunch of bad things happened to him
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And he made a whole bunch of bad decisions throughout his life that led him down a darkroad.
Let's say he was addicted to pornography and that addiction led to some harder and harderaddictions, you know, uh more abuse videos on his addiction.
And then maybe his addiction led him to something younger, a little bit younger.
Pretty soon, he was fantasizing about something he wouldn't have even thought wasattractive five years ago because of his unhealed trauma.
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And let's say that he's also abusing alcohol.
These are all things you didn't know.
and his wife just left him.
And let's say that this is the weekend that he gets his 12 year old daughter and hercousin staying over.
Now that tension transfer didn't just end up with the kicking of the dog.
Now that tension transfer came out on a child, right?
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And so we all have to pay attention.
I love the story of the man who's sitting on the couch and he's reading his newspaper.
And his little boy comes in and he says, daddy, can we, can we play baseball?
And his daddy's like, oh, I'm busy right now.
He's not, playing, he's in the newspaper, right?
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And little boy comes back a little bit later.
He's like, daddy, daddy, it's a beautiful day outside.
Can we go play baseball, please?
His dad turns the page and he sees this map of the world.
He has this idea.
He tore, tears it out, tears out that page and he tears out the map into little pieces ofpaper.
throws it on the floor.
He says, son, you need to learn your geography.
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I want you to put the world together exactly how it's supposed to be.
Every single country, every state, go get some tape and tape it all together.
As soon as you put it together, I'll go play ball with you.
He's thinking it's gonna take a few hours for this little boy to do this.
Well, like five minutes later, the little boy comes back and the world is perfectly puttogether.
And the man says, well, how does you do that?
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And the little boy turns it over.
He says, there was a picture of a man on the other side.
I just put the man together and the whole world came together.
And that's really the answer to the riddle.
We sit here and try to think, okay, do I create another sound of freedom movie that'sgonna help hundreds of millions of people do it?
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No, all of us simply need to look in the mirror.
Do you realize that if you spent the next year in healing yourself, that's all you did isspend a year of healing yourself and then you spend that next year
Let's say it took you an entire year to mentor two people to their own healing.
And let's say that the next year those two people passed it on.
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The compounding effect of two people helping two people is literally only 33 years laterand it's the entire global population of over 8.5 billion people.
yes, every one of us can change the world.
by starting with that man on the couch with that woman in the mirror.
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That's who we need to start with.
taking responsibility for ourselves, right?
Exactly.
Wow.
That's pretty amazing.
How did you come across like
knowing all this stuff for healing and for the psilocybin, all those things.
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How did you, how were you introduced to that?
It was in, as I talked about earlier in my teenage years, was the, you know, chosen to bethe president of the peer leadership team at, at 21 years old, I started a company, um, it
was called Midwest center marketing.
did all the marketing for a lady by the name of Lucinda Bassett.
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had the attacking anxiety and depression program and, um, built that up to, uh, uh, almost$70 million in sales.
50,000 people a month calling in off of an infomercial, created a coaching program, etcetera.
And I personally, even though I was the owner of the company, I loved getting on the phonewith the people who were struggling and helping them see the light and selling them a
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personal coach.
We had a 100 % money back guarantee if they hadn't overcome their anxiety and depressionand PTSD within the course over a period of...
three to six months, then we'd give them their money back.
And we had a 97 % success rate because we weren't using drugs, we weren't using Prozac andXanax, we were getting down to the roots of the problem and helping people change the
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negative habit patterns of thought, the worry, the what if thinking, the negativeexpectations, the perceptions we have of ourself, our coping skills in dealing with
stress.
These are all things that come from things.
in our subconscious mind, usually from our past, but they're driving our lives.
And so that's where that came from.
I sold that company at 29 years old and uh started investing in real estate.
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It did pretty well in the real estate world.
um And that's the money that I used to fund the Sound of Freedom.
was a primary investor in the movie.
um
As I was doing the undercover work, I retired completely from the real estate world andwent into the darkness of the world and the rescue missions.
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it was about eight years ago when I was in that dark place in my life.
I was helping kids, but I was unhappy in my marriage, unhappy in every area of my life.
And that's when my operators introduced me to that doctor.
And it was so transformative for me, that first experience, that I hired her.
(44:52):
She was my personal facilitator.
I paid her $100,000 for full, it wasn't even full time.
She had four clients, each she would give one fourth of her time for the year.
But I needed to really go deep and fix those things that weren't in alignment.
And I remember, you know, I had told her about that.
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first experience of me facing that darkness and feeling that energetic connection witheveryone.
And we were in another one of these journey experiences.
She had picked a different strain of psilocybin to take me through a different experiencewith some different uh music, et cetera.
And I'm in this state of hyperneuroplasticity again, you know, and I actually hired her togo and go to lunch with each of my employees.
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my my my not all of them but my close ones to me my sons, family members, etc.
so that she could find out what I needed to work on right so she
They were willing to tell it all.
Exactly.
So then I says, yeah, you figure out what I need to fix so that when I'm in that stateagain, you can work with me like you need to.
so, so this next one, I was sitting there and, and in my living room, I had, had thesehuge statues of Greek gods.
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had Zeus and Poseidon and they're like, three and a half feet tall.
They were all, you know, beautiful bronze.
And, and I had, I had Atlas in the middle and Atlas was holding the world on hisshoulders, you know.
And I told her I was still in my ego self a little bit and a lot.
I said, I said, know, I feel a lot like Atlas.
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I've got, you at the time I had the company that I had founded had a few thousandemployees.
And I says, you know, I feel like I have the world on my shoulders, you know, with thecharity work that I'm doing and the employees, but you know, look how God made me so
strong, you know, the stomach muscles of my statue are strong.
And she smiled and she said, Paul, I
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I honor that you're seeing some of those traits and those statues, but you know as well asI do that those were mythological gods.
She said, what about your relationship with him?
And she points at the statue I had of Jesus in the room.
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And I'm in a full open-hearted, open mind state.
And I said, I don't qualify.
or a relationship with him.
And she said, well, why not?
I said, well, you know, with my parties and stuff, I don't keep all the commandments.
I said, and when I was, I left the church of my youth about 10 years before.
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And I said, my bishop told me that until I was rebaptized into that church, I wouldn'thave the spirit of God with me.
And she said, well, do you really believe that?
I said, well, no, I...
I try to do good, I help in the charity work with the kids.
And she said, why don't you work on that relationship for a minute?
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And so here I'm, you I've got six grams of mushrooms, I can barely walk, but she helps metake this statue down and I sat on the bean bag for the next two and a half hours holding
this statue and crying and rebuilding a relationship that I had lost 10 plus years before.
So.
You know, Alcoholics Anonymous, the 12-step program, I think it's either four or five ofthose steps, says you need to, are God-centered.
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You know, it's not a specific religion, but you've got to acknowledge the presence of yourcreator in this process of breaking free.
The same thing with Sexual Addicts Anonymous.
You know, that is such an important part of it, and that's what was missing in my life.
the proper facilitator with the right music and the right atmosphere was able to bringthat back in where I now have a closer relationship with God than I've ever had my whole
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life.
And so anyway, that's kind of a full circle of what I believe needs to happen.
You trusted her then at this point.
You have to.
If you don't trust your facilitator, sadly there are facilitators out there who, and Itrusted her because she came as a um referral from the people I trusted the very most,
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meaning the undercover operators I have served with.
They were the ones that brought her in and we had a lot of conversations before, but inthat hyper neuroplasticity state of being very impressionable, if your facilitator is
not in integrity, some negative things can happen.
You know, it's so important to have that.
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I've heard a lot of people tell stories about their shaman and this and that, and it wasjust them.
did all these things.
And me, I'm a survivor of a whole lot of things.
ah I always wanted to do it, but that's been my biggest fear.
I don't even know that person.
How do I trust them?
But like you said, she came through others that you trusted.
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And now we have, you know, with our events, we have a uh one to two ratio.
So we have 20 participants and 10 facilitators fully trained.
And in each situation, we had one recently where this woman was dealing with some sexualtrauma from her childhood and in the process, you know, some sexual energy was coming out
(50:35):
and we have a rule.
you know, if that's the case, there's always two facilitators with them.
you know, it's in that case, because her addiction was sex with men, we have two femalefacilitators with her to help her through that, right?
I removed myself as a facilitator because I didn't want to have that energy be there.
(50:59):
And so again, we as when you have 10 facilitators that can help people work through whatthey need to, then you can.
you can bring in the right person for the right job at the right time as we're helpingpeople through their process.
Okay, love it.
That's amazing.
Wow.
I'm trying to look at the time here because I know your time is very limited.
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We've got an hour, so we probably have about five, 10 minutes left that we can answer anyquestions that you have and anything that you think that the audience might want to know.
So for me, and I bet there are quite a few people that would want to know, even when youthink of the sound of freedom, and people are like, oh my gosh, that's so terrible.
(51:44):
And they related to that, and it sunk in, and the reality of what it could be.
But I think so many people out there think that this is only happening overseas or out ofthe country.
People don't realize that this could be going on with a neighbor or...
It's so bad in the States that I don't think anyone's truly aware or they don't want tobe, you know, aware.
(52:10):
So with what you've done, I mean, I'm sure you've seen all kinds of things like how do weeducate people more on the reality of what's going on right here, right in your backyard?
Well, it is important to understand that the children who are moved around, who are takento another country, whatever else, that doesn't happen like, yes, there are cases like
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what you saw in Center Freedom where kids are taken from a healthy home and put into acontainer and move that.
That's not the
The majority of children that are in that kind of situation come from broken homes orrunaways or a broken foster care program.
There's a massive high percentage of children in the foster care program who go throughsexual abuse or being sold, et cetera.
(53:01):
the families...
Yeah, young...
For sure.
Now for families that say, well, my kids aren't at risk then because we have a mom and adad at home.
What you need to understand is that there's a very high percentage of children who arebeing exploited and even sold for money for these kind of services, quote unquote, who
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sleep in their own beds at night.
Parents are like, what?
How does that happen?
We had a, for example, I was in one of the operations, there was this little girl, she was13, just turned 13.
Her babysitter was her aunt.
Her aunt,
was showing her pornography.
Her aunt was working with the traffickers.
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The mother had no idea.
The aunt got her doing some drugs and some things that she was like, okay, now we have ourown little secrets, our own little secrets that are only between us and your mom doesn't
know.
And she told this little girl, she says, you're gonna lose your virginity anyway.
You lose it to one of these guys, I'll pay you $500.
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So she was charging us $5,000.
And this is how it starts.
And then they control them through fear.
There's in the United States, a period of last five years, there was an average, up untiljust the end of last year, there was an average of 130,000 children a year that were being
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brought in across the border, unaccompanied minors.
Now, the border wall should have never been a political issue.
This is not a right or a
This was a human trafficking issue.
every single day from healthy families, I didn't say wealthy families, but healthyfamilies throughout Latin America, children were being taken.
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And just like what you saw in Sound of Freedom, immediately upon being taken, these kidswere being controlled through giving them drugs, controlled through fear.
We know where your mother lives.
We know where your sister goes to school.
You don't want bad things to happen to them, do you?
Okay, you'll do exactly what we say.
And this happens every day.
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That there was a little girl who was in New York who, she was taken from Mexico City at 12years old.
She was sold 20 plus times a day until she was 17 years old when she escaped.
um then they beat her up, brought her back into it.
uh A little while later, she escaped again.
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had seen a phone number of one of our sister foundations, called that and we were able toget her out.
I remember, was, this was years ago, we brought her over to our house for Christmas thatyear.
And cause she didn't have a family she could go back to at the time.
And we asked her, I remember saying, said, I said, tell me this, on the internet,
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You know, at the time you have Backpage, you still have erotica.com, I mean all thesesites, right?
I the girls that are in cities like New York, like Los Angeles, like Chicago, the girlswho are online prostitutes, who claim that they are independent, I said, what percentage
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of them really are independent?
And I was thinking it was maybe half.
She goes, no, she says it's not half.
She says at least 90.
to 95 % of those girls are being trafficked.
The ones that say they're independent.
She said, they are being controlled.
They'll give them drugs, they'll rape them, they'll control them through fear.
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And she says they're being controlled.
So guys, if you think, this is a victimless crime, you know, I'm just going to this city,I'm doing these things, but this is an adult girl.
No, chances are you're contributing to human trafficking.
Even pornography.
And I'm gonna go there for a second, guys.
Most people who are watching this have seen pornography and stuff.
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It doesn't mean you're gonna become a pedophile.
However, there's pornography acts like a hardcore drug.
Harder than even cocaine for some guys, right?
And just like a hard drug, some guys need something harder to have that same fix.
And for some of them, harder is more...
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bondage things or other type.
For some of them, harder is a little bit younger, et cetera.
And that's what leads them down this road.
And people are like, well, yeah, I'm not addicted.
oh Yeah, give it up for a year and tell me you're not addicted, Chances are it started outwith something softer.
You were looking at the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
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then it went to the Victoria's Secret.
lingerie stuff and then it went to know booby pictures and then it went to videos and thenwent to then it went to yes there's a progression the very second the very second that you
take a woman from the divine feminine to an object you start going down that dark road andit's so important to get a handle on that to fix it immediate if you need to you know go
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do a ketamine thing go to South America with us and do a journey experience whatever it is
Fix it, somehow find those tools to release those things that are not in alignment withthe best version of you.
Right.
So that's all.
Yeah.
I don't feel bad that I've always been the way overprotective mom, grandma, like neverspending the night at anyone's houses, all the things.
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This is exactly why.
Well, and we don't have to be a helicopter mom, but we do need to be aware.
we do need to make sure our kids know what's appropriate, what's not.
And you need to be their 911.
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That's so important.
Yeah, I was gonna say it's always goes back to like what you said in the beginning therelationship the relationship with their parents it has to be strong it has to be a good
one where they feel comfortable
Exactly.
So, wrapping up, I was gonna ask you, like with your book, so I know plenty of people haveseen Sound of Freedom, the movie.
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What do you dive into more?
I just got your PDF last night, so I'm so excited to read it.
But um what can you tell people to like draw them in some, what are they gonna find out?
What are they gonna learn from the book compared to Sound of Freedom?
So much.
the movie just created.
Yeah, the movie just created awareness.
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That's all.
And there's not a lot of tools there to keep your kids safe.
So that the first part of the Sound of Freedom book is that the making of an undercoveroperators, which which talks about, you know, our situational awareness training and hand
to hand combat training and and even, you know, creating uh success.
(01:00:10):
in your financial career so that you can make an impact in the world, cetera.
So I discuss all of that in the very beginning.
And then I go through the details of the rescue on the island and the Haiti stuff, thedoctors in the jungle, a lot of different things of different experiences I had.
I take the reader through that transformational experience of that darkness into thelight.
(01:00:34):
And it's such a beautiful light at the end of the tunnel that it is really transformative.
Then the whole last section, the last, I think, four or five chapters is all aboutliberating humanity.
What does that look like?
How do we heal from this?
What does generational trauma look like?
And how do we stop that before it hits that next generation?
(01:00:57):
How do we identify those signs in our kids so that we can give them the help that theyneed?
before it ever turns into something worse.
that's really all the solution, solution, solution stuff is all the five or six chaptersof the book.
excited.
I it.
I can't wait.
Yes.
Can't wait to read it and you're you made a good point with generational trauma, too Iknow that that's very real.
(01:01:22):
Some people would be like, that's hokey now that's something I'm working on right now toobecause I come from a long line of Generational trauma and I've just started working on
it.
So it's very real and
God bless you for breaking that chain.
That's what it's all about.
(01:01:43):
You healed from the stuff you need to heal from and now you're healing others so that yourkids, your grandchildren don't ever have to go through what you went through.
And that takes a very strong woman to do that.
So I honor you for that.
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
And we'll just make sure, I mean, we're definitely going to make sure that we put all yourlinks in there.
(01:02:06):
McKenna will make sure that they're all in the description, you know, for the movie, foryour book, for your...
You have multiple foundations, right?
Yeah, the Child Liberation Foundation, you can go to childliberation.org.
Child Liberation Foundation is the main foundation that funds a lot of the otherfoundations that we support.
(01:02:30):
Okay.
Okay.
I'm excited for everybody to have this information and to listen to your expertise and thethings you, wow, the things you've done, the things you've went through.
I could sit here and talk to you for like eight hours and ask you a thousand questions.
I did a four and a half hour podcast once.
(01:02:53):
Yeah, I did a four and a half hour when yeah, I was talking forever on it.
But yeah, I would talk longer today if I didn't sadly have another one in another 15, 20minutes.
So
Well, we might just have to do another one.
I mean, you have so much, you're a wealth of information.
Thank you.
I am so honored.
(01:03:13):
So honored.
And have a good time on your next one.
I will.
Thank you so much for having me on your show.
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