The Cross Section

The Cross Section

Slicing politics open to peer inside its disturbing innards and determine how it all works

Episodes

July 17, 2025 33 mins

The IRS recently decided that it's perfectly fine for churches and other houses of worship to endorse candidates, upending 70 years of established law. It's just one of the ways the Christian right and the Republican Party have successfully demolished the separation of church and state, which we used to think was a central pillar of the American political system. Paul discusses the carnage with Sarah Posner, author of Unholy: How W...

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In the next 25 years, the world will have to produce 50% more food -- and most of our habitable land is already devoted to the production of food. In order to feed ourselves, we risk doing even more damage to the climate as more land is given over to agriculture. In his provocative new book We Are Eating the Earth: The Race to Fix Our Food System and Save Our Climate, Michael Grunwald explores the cutting edge of food technology, t...

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April 11, 2025 35 mins

Passover is a holiday about oppression, liberation, immigration, and the nature of the diaspora. How should we think about it in 2025? Paul talks with Rabbi Yael Ridberg to wrestle with the religious, sociological, and political implications of the holiday more Jews celebrate than any other.

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March 21, 2025 36 mins

Joe Biden made more policy progress on climate change than any president in history, so it might not have been crazy to think what he accomplished would be difficult to unwind - or that Donald Trump might not put too much effort into it. But if that's what you thought, you were wrong.

Paul is joined by Jillian Goodman, deputy editor of Heatmap.news, to examine the damage Trump is doing and consider what makes policy change durable ...

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March 4, 2025 37 mins

I talk with Henry Farrell, one of the most trenchant observers of the ground where politics, technology and commerce meet, to explore the intellectual and personal roots of Silicon Valley's right-wing turn. 

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February 20, 2025 26 mins

Amid the daily horrors emanating from the Trump/Musk White House, you may not have given much thought to the possibility of a rapid, nationwide economic downturn fed by hundreds of thousands of layoffs of federal workers. Jesse Rothstein has, and he has a warning. Rothstein, a UC-Berkeley economist who was a top economic advisor in the Obama administration, says we could see the signs of a new recession in a matter of weeks.

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February 4, 2025 36 mins

Amid the assault on the American government currently underway from Donald Trump and Elon Musk, we've all asked ourselves this question: Wait, can they do that? To help answer the question, I'm joined by University of Michigan law professor Sam Bagenstos, who until recently was general counsel of the Department of Health and Human Services, and prior to that the general counsel of the Office of Management and Budget. We discuss Don...

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Ayelet and Paul are joined by Talia Lavin, author of Wild Faith: How the Christian Right Is Taking Over America to talk about the origins and spread of Christian nationalism, and how spanking your kids might just turn them into foot soldiers for the next authoritarian takeover.

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October 28, 2024 50 mins

Earlier this year, Palestinian-American filmmaker Mo Husseini went viral with a Medium post about Israel-Palestine titled 50 Completely True Things. In a discussion that is probing, thoughtful, humane and even hopeful, he joins us to talk about what people on both sides are thinking, what the future might look like, and his new film, The Path Forward, which profiles Israelis and Palestinians who have lost family members in the conf...

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We interview labor reporter Hamilton Nolan, author of The Hammer: Power, Inequality, and the Struggle for the Soul of Labor about the recent rise in union organizing, the trouble with the big unions, and the bizarre fact that Donald Trump enjoys strong support among union members.

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September 23, 2024 49 mins

Do you overreact to every poll that comes out, endangering your mental health as the election approaches? Do the words "New York Times/Sienna poll" send you into a cold sweat? We're here to help. Ayelet and Paul talk to Michael Podhorzer, former political director of the AFL-CIO, about what to take - and not to take - from the ups and downs of each day's polls and where the election really stands.

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September 2, 2024 52 mins

"Kamala is brat!" If you have no idea what that means, you may not be aware that Democrats seem to be winning the war of memes in the 2024 presidential campaign. Why are they doing better at this battle of online signs and signifiers than they have in the past? And does it make a difference? Paul and Ayelet are joined by Amanda Marcotte, senior politics writer at Salon.com and author of  of Troll Nation: How The Right Became Trump-...

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July 30, 2024 42 mins

Ayelet and Paul unpack Democrats' bright new dawn, with Kamala Harris now their presumptive nominee. Is she a better candidate than she was four years ago? Will Democrats now be united forever? And what's the deal with JD Vance and the childless cat ladies?

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Is the president too old to win? Are we mad at him? What happens now? Ayelet and Paul work through their feelings and look toward the bleak future.

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May 31, 2024 41 mins

Ayelet and Paul are joined by showrunner, screenwriter, comic book writer, and novelist Marc Guggenheim, the man behind shows including Arrow, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, and Tales of Arcadia, to talk about why Hollywood is going down the tubes and everything is terrible for writers!

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With so much attention focused on Gaza since October 7, an important story is being ignored: Harassment and violence against Palestinians who live on the West Bank has intensified, as far-right Israeli settlers and the soldiers and police who protect them have felt new permission to mistreat their Palestinian neighbors. Issa Amro, a well-known Palestinian human rights activist and advocate of non-violent resistance, tells Ayelet an...

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April 5, 2024 21 mins

In this shorter bonus episode, Paul interviews Dominic Erdozain about his new book, One Nation Under Guns: How Gun Culture Distorts Our History and Threatens Our Democracy. We talk about what the Framers really thought about a well-regulated militia, the myth of the "law-abiding citizen," and the rights we all have to live in safety.

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Just how bad is the Supreme Court? Can anything be done about it? Ayelet and Paul are joined by Sarah Lipton-Lubet, president of Take Back the Court, to discuss how and why the Supreme Court is doing such damage to the country, why so many Democrats are so cowardly in confronting it, and what the solution might be.

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March 4, 2024 44 mins

Ayelet and Paul are joined by historian Natalia Mehlman Petrzela for a wide-ranging discussion on masculinity, in both politics and personal lives.

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February 27, 2024 62 mins

White Rural Rage: The Threat to American Democracy is now on sale! Ayelet and Paul welcome Paul's co-author Tom Schaller to discuss the book: What doing their reporting was like, what's going on with the politics of rural America, and whether democracy can be saved.  

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