July 25, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Turab Rai — a dentist by training, an influencer known as Turabify, an investor with an eye for opportunity, and an artist at heart. Turab shares his journey from the dental chair to digital influence, diving into how he balances creativity, business, and healthcare. We explore his mindset as a multidisciplinary entrepreneur, the story behind his personal brand, and the lessons he’s learned scaling his impact across industries. Whether you're building a brand, a business, or a life you love, this episode is full of insights and inspiration.
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Go and just mess all of the things upthat you're overthinking right now.
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Just go and mess it up.
Don't even worry about it.
Because if you do that for the next10 years of your life, you are gonna
be so much better off than peoplethat are just not taking the chances.
Hug your parents more, show a lot oflove to everyone around you that you can.
There's really nothing like that in life.
There's this concept of.
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Be the beloved.
The beloved is the person that isremembered far after their death.
Be that person, embody that person.
You are listening to Brainwork Framework,a Business and Marketing podcast,
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Welcome back to another episode.
With us today is a very special guest.
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He's a dentist, influencer, investor,artist and philanthropist on a mission
to change how we Educate Turab Rai.
So excited to have you on.
How you doing today?
Thank you so much for having me.
I am doing wonderful.
It is 8:00 PM here Easterntime, so right at the end of
the day but I'm enjoying life.
Thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
Absolutely.
The pleasure's all ours.
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So excited because you've beendoing so many great things.
You're accomplished.
You have so much on your plate and you'restill propelling forward just to have
that opportunity to share some of yourwisdom with us, we appreciate that.
So tell us more about your journey.
What were you doing that kindof lets you into the multiple
hats that you're wearing today?
Dude, I've talked to a lot of older peopleand the ones that I respect the most.
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I had this question wereyou always like this?
Almost every single time theysay yes, I was always like this.
So in a strange way, I think it's justa kind of a snowball effect of having
this personality that's interested in alot of different things and just wanting
to make an impact in my environmentis the most important thing to me.
Like, I don't want to be like one ofthose people that just flies on the wall.
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I wanna have an impacton people and on society.
So I moved a lot in my life.
Basically.
I was born in Pakistansomewhere around four years old.
We moved to Canada 'cause my mom wassick and tired of everyone basically
paying their way to be on top.
She was like, I want to go toa more merit based society.
So we moved to Canada.
Worked our way into the middle class.
My mom and my dad were doingquite well for themselves.
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And my dad was studying to become alawyer and having a successful real
estate business alongside my mother.
He passed away 'cause he had hepatitisC on some accident or something
that he got when he was in Pakistan.
And we ended up moving a lot overthe United States because my mom
wanted to get her dental license soshe could provide for these two kids.
And I have an older brotherhe's a physician as well.
So in that process, I basically discoveredthat I did have a way of communicating
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with people and for the most part,I could get some sort of a response
outta my professors and outta my class.
Usually I try to do it in apositive way not in a bullying way.
And by virtue of moving so much, Ialso got quite a backbone when it came
to bullies too, I was like, I don'tknow if you watch Dragon Ball Z but
if you make a really scary face andyou just look at someone really angry,
they'll basically leave you alone.
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So I figured that out.
They don't wanna mess with that.
Yeah, I figured that over the courseof the moves and then sometime in
dental school in Temple Universityright in North Philadelphia.
I began to explore a lot moreof my interest in creating
clubs and organizations.
Basically every single time I movedto these different schools, I was
like, okay, let's make a club.
Let's see what we can do forthe school and I created the
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Health Sciences Music Club.
I'm a musician.
I don't know if you see in thebackground but I have a pair, I
have a drum kit, I have a keyboardright here and make music and stuff.
So I made the Health Science MusicClub 'cause I was like, dude, there's
no way I'm gonna be able to findmusicians to jam with regularly.
I had this idea of crafting thisenvironment where these healthcare
providers can go during lunch and theycould hear some live music and maybe be
in a better mood for the latter half ofthe day and changing the whole culture.
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I had this big scheme in my head but Ijust didn't have the execution skills
at the time to make it sustainable.
And so experimentation again and againwith these clubs and trying to make
them sustainable and trying to make themmeaningful, impactful and then right in
my senior year, I graduated after manyof my classmates did because I just
didn't adhere to the standards of theschool, I guess for a lot of reasons.
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Mainly I was just like, what the helldoes this matter like my hand skills
and my patient communication is betterthan most of these kids but then I
realized I needed the damn degree.
So in those six months that Istayed afterwards, I started really
thinking about, hey, you claim inyour head to be this talented guy.
You have a lot of interests and you havesome insights and ideas and yet you're
here while all of your class is gone.
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I grew this tremendous resentmentfor myself and I was like, it's
time to get your shit together man.
Get disciplined in some things, likedon't be afraid of this money thing
'cause it really does meanpower and influence in society.
I came across Grant Cardone'swebinar or whatever and I got into
that stuff so I got really excited.
I made a lot of public health clubsand stuff in dental school and I just
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realized that doctors in general are notparticularly concerned about public health
even though that's really our mission.Doctor in Latin means teacher, so
it's literally like a part of youridentity and when I got outta school
I have this amazing opportunity.
My mom's a dentist here in Ohioand she said, when you get outta
school, come and work with me.
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And for better or worse, we'vebeen working together for
about a year and a half now.
I've tripled the gross revenueof the practice since I've
started this national nonprofit.
We actually just got mentionedby the mayor or the governor of
Ohio, the national nonprofit,and he mentioned my name.
Which I was like, whoa, bro.
But I was like, chill.
Keep working.
I'm a big systems guy just like yourself.
I love technology.
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I love interacting with people.
I love making a difference and thatjust means getting into business
and becoming a leader and startingall these different initiatives.
So some of the things I'm workingon right now is ratify Network,
which is like an internship forstudents nationally if anyone wants
to know about leadership development.
Bright Smiles Community OutreachCoalition is the nonprofit that delivers
a bunch of dental kits and educates thecommunity, ideally going national as well.
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I'm a dentist and then I'm also thechief marketing officer for a crypto
company, a crypto finance company.
That's super interesting.
If anyone watching this podcast intocrypto, go ahead and drop Krisa a DM
and let us know how we can help you.
But it's been exciting, man.
It's a lot of work but I feel likein our twenties and early thirties,
we should be doing a lot of work.
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We should be figuringout what we're useful at.
Absolutely.
That's an incredible journey and itsounds very similar to myself and many
other entrepreneurs where sometimesit's like we think we're bigger than
we are but we have to go with theflow of things, even if it doesn't
feel like it's in our best interest.
But when we get our stuff togetherand really put our foot forward.
Man, the things that we can accomplishwhen we really put our mind to it.
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And you're a testament to that and Ilove that you're focusing on impact,
you're giving back to the community.
How can this be of even more value?
It's not just about the exchange of money.
Money can be a tool.
It's powerful but alsothere's additional value.
What else can you leave behind?
And I feel like that goes moreinto the legacy, the impact.
This is what people should befocusing on in business, I feel like.
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I think it makes the entireprocess of working your ass
off a lot more satisfying.
It's like, just today, there was oneof my patients that was like, dude, I
love what you guys do at the practice.
I was like, bro, can I record that ona video so I can share with my staff?
We never get to hear that stuff.
So I think you're gonna endup working really hard anyway.
You might as well do it forsomething that you really believe in.
Yep.
Absolutely.
And I feel like mid stage entrepreneursare looking to find that they're
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looking to do more, to give back.
So it's not surprising to see manydifferent initiatives, start nonprofits
or create educational content for peoplejust to give back, which is excellent.
Yeah, I think a lot of theinfluencers online these days are
about that whole giver's mentality.
I think it's for thebetterment of humanity.
I think there's probably an equal andopposite force out there but I just
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don't interact with that very much.
We've got a lot of reallygood role models these days.
All the big business people onInstagram, on YouTube, they're
just giving out free game.
big free game.
It's amazing.
Yeah and it almost makes me question howcan people not still find opportunity.
I feel like the education is there butmaybe people are lacking the confidence
or just the ability to execute.
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Maybe it's not the right time in theirlife to take on an initiative like that.
I don't know if you feel this way butI think at some point every human being
just gets sick and tired of being sickand tired and you're just like, bro.
I'm good.
I need to go and do the other thing that'sgonna make me happy about being myself.
And it could probably go both ways, right?
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It could be like you're a reallysuccessful in corporate or something and
I know a good friend of mine is tryingto branch into more entrepreneurship
or just constant reassessment.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think for both people whoare working jobs and entrepreneurs.
It's okay to make a pivot.
One decision now does not need to stickwith you for the rest of your life.
You can always change, changedirection, go back to school,
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change anything that you want.
I prefer to be in control.
I like that.
So the fact that we can educate othersand empower them to make their own choices
and control at least some of the outcome.
That feels like the safer bet to meas opposed to working for someone
but I do understand the need.
It's kinda like we have to be apart of the system first in order
to branch out and support ourselves.
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That's entirely fair, man.
And I didn't have a normal nine tofive job but I was definitely part
of a system, the education system.
And I don't think it's that muchdifferent than the real world.
So, I think it's interestingthat you said that we have this
chance to go out and branch.
I think the reason that a lot of peopledon't take that chance even if they
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have an inkling of something insideof them, is they're very risk averse
and one of my favorite quotes is, thegreatest risk to take is to not take
any risks at all because necessarilythe only constant is change, right?
So by virtue of staying thesame, you actually risk the most.
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Yes, absolutely.
And it's only once that feeling ofstaying the same becomes so uncomfortable.
That change in itself, they're willingto make that change because they
no longer want to stay the same.
But it's really scary.
It's something new but this is us growing.
That's an opportunity.
If you feel uncomfortable, good.
Get used to that feeling becausethe more you push yourself, the
more that you practice and exercise,you're gonna become stronger.
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Absolutely.
And I see that guitar in thebackground and I know Steely Dan,
when I was watching some of theirinterviews, they were talking about
how guitar players fly, right?
That they're flying when they're soloing.
And to me, a lot of this sense oftaking risk is almost like flight,
there's really no ground underneath you.
There's probably far below, youcan get there and you don't really
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know how high up you can go.
You might have a sense of whereyou're going to go but a lot of it
is you're like a new bird, you'retrying to figure out how to use your
wings and navigate the wind currents.
So I think it's a creativeexpression of humanity.
You could go and do an art or you can goand try to make your life into an art.
Well said.
Now I wanted to ask more about themarketing side of business because taking
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a practice from 1 million to 3 million.
Super impressive.
What was your strategy behind that growth?
Was that going from a solointo multiple dentists?
Was this just more marketing?
What did you focus on?
So necessarily it was my mother thatwas working there alone and she had
very little staff 'cause she stillbasically doesn't like interacting
with a lot of different peopleand teaching them all these things
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but by virtue of having two dentists,you double the revenue potentially.
And then also Ohio had a 93%increase in the payments that
we get through state insurance.
So those two things paired togethernecessarily already meant that
our revenue is gonna increase.
Now, I want to say that that's not theonly reason because obviously if you're
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gonna see more patients, you need to havemore operations, more standardization.
So basically what I said was, okay,let's go out and spread out these dental
kits and let's go and interact with thefacilities that would most likely have the
type of patients that we're looking for.
So what we did was in the beginning,for about six months, bright Smiles
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Community Outreach Coalition wasjust Franklin Dental Outreach.
We would get all these toothbrushes andtoothpaste and one of my patients was
talking to me about, I had some internsover the summer and she heard us over
talking or she overheard us talking.
I had a phone call or something.
I just got out a phone call inthe parking lot and she walked by.
She was like, I'm here, you might aswell just hire me but she gave us these
great examples of reaching out to UnitedWay and reaching out to the Boy Scouts
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and reaching out to all this stuff.
My interns at the time weretalking about nonprofits.
I was like, we shouldtotally go for profit.
It'll make more sense.
And then I ended up hiring her asthe outreach coordinator for Franklin
Dental, she brought on her team.
We hunted out thousands of kitsthat led to partnerships with
other dental practices thatdon't necessarily take Medicaid.
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So we got a lot of referrals from them.
We were obviously seeing a lot morepatients, so we got a lot of referrals
from their friends and family.
We were one of the only providersand still basically are of Medicaid
in Ohio at the scale that we do.
And so a lot of those efforts, I wouldsay for marketing in general and the
social media game, I'm still tryingto kind of figure out 'cause there's
this lead conversion aspect to it.
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But the thing that's worked forall of my mentors and the people
that I respect is you just gottaget out there in your community.
If you're offering a service that youbelieve is valuable, there's a very good
chance and you actually like deliveron that, there's a very good chance
that by referral or by curiosity or byneed that people are gonna come to you
then becomes the issue of fulfillingthe promise that you put forward.
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And as long as you fulfill thatpromise and you ideally over deliver
on that promise, there's no reasonthat your business is ever gonna stop.
But to stagnate in businessis really just a decline.
So there's always this kind oflike this drive to like, okay,
how do we get more patients?
How do we get patients that pay more?
How do we optimize our supplies sowe don't spend as much money on the
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same level of treatment that we do.
So it's important to think aboutall the little things and the staff.
I mean, I have fucking phenomenalstaff, they are incredible human
beings and they just work theirbutts off and they're really nice
and we could not do it without them.
Nice.
I think it's a testament that I knowit was like the general marketing, A
lot of people think advertising socialmedia but networking is marketing.
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You hit the ground running.
If this was Gorilla marketing, let'sgo introduce ourselves, provide value
to people and they get value from thisand we can create partnerships and
referrals, well then that's great,and that obviously started to work.
And then it's the fulfillment piece.
But taking it beyond that, all thereviews and referrals that you get
from those, that should create thisself-sustaining cycle, as you said,
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where you really don't have to do asmuch maintenance into marketing or you
don't have to do these big campaigns.
It should be working on autopilot for you.
So it's all the great elementsand pillars of business.
Kind of just, Hey, let's throwaway the things that really don't
work more, the vanity stuff.
Let's go hit the ground running where therubber meets the road and that's how you
built through marketing and networking.
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And just to be clear, we've spent a lot ofmoney on marketing and any company that's
looking to grow needs to spend some moneyon marketing and needs to figure it out.
And the other thing that I wantedto say to those that are listening
that you make it sound so easy.
I spent half a million dollarsgetting the education that I have in
order to be that useful for society.
So there's a reason that dentists getpaid a lot is because not very many
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people know how to do what dentists do.
So that's the other thing,is like you gotta get some
sort of technical skill that
no one can touch and no one can questionand that's the execution part of it.
Business ain't easy.
That's not what I'm saying, bro.
Yeah, it's like, the more youinvest, the more expenses.
The revenue has to be higher.
So there's this balance.
Hopefully you can get that return whereafter X amount of years you can say, Hey.
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This is worth it.
Making this type of income.
And it's interesting from just thebilling and payment side aspect
of dentistry versus what the otherpractices in healthcare have become.
I feel like dentistry is stillone of the more affordable
for most private pay people.
They could still afford that out ofpocket without needing an insurance plan.
Whereas I feel the hospitalprices may be overinflated or
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they're not working on efficiency.
I feel like dentistry has takena different route and it's
remained affordable for mostAmericans and people in general.
I would like to have more insighton that because obviously I'm a
Medicaid provider for the most part.
When the American Dental Associationcommunicate internally, they don't talk
about state insurance as insurance.
They talk about it as benefitscause they're not paying anything.
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None of the people that have Medicaidare paying any money to have Medicaid.
They just qualify.
And then there's like this whole systemthat basically pays out these providers.
So in a big way.
I'm very thankful for that system.
Obviously it's been amajor part of my revenue.
In terms of the affordability, it's hardto say 'cause from my practice, a crown
is $1,800 now at other practices, right?
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A crown can be 30, 600, whatever.
So it all depends on the market.
It all depends on what typeof patients you wanna serve.
How much money you wanna make.
How much money matters to you.
How much of an impact you wanna make?
It and last thing, one of mymentors, he was telling me about
a doctor that started his ownpractice and he made a lot of money.
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And he was telling me about where hestarted and he would always say that,
dude, this guy gave out so much freemedical care like hundreds of thousands of
dollars over the course of his lifespan.
That's why he's rich Torah.
It's not because he wasgunning after money.
He was rich because heencapsulated the idea of wealth.
And wealth requires you to give then thestuff comes to you 'cause you deserve it.
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What does success in wealth mean to you?
It just means having a voice.
I think if you value your philosophyin life and if you value the way that
your soul is, the way that you makepeople feel, it's almost an obligation
to become wealthy, to become powerful.
And there's a basic thing that I'llsay changed my entire perception
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on the socioeconomic classes.
This is directly from Grant Cardone.
Poor people spend money,middle class people save money.
Rich people invest money.
Now, that in itself is a thing and middleclass, by the way, if you're saving money
all the time or your parents are savingmoney all the time and you think you're
wealthy, you're probably middle class.
Rich people invest money.
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Wealthy people give money away.
That's strange that for some reasongiving things away to people in an open
heart is more valuable than investing in.
And wealth, to me is really justan abundance of things, right?
It's like I wanna haveopportunities, I wanna have smiles
and love and laughter around.
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I wanna have cool experiences.
When I'm older, I want to be able to saythat I've done something for my community.
I think wealth and virtue canactually be very closely associated.
That's kinda why it matters to me.
Absolutely.
Because I hear from a lot ofother entrepreneurs and I'll
ask 'em, what are your goals?
And I'll hear some of themsay, take over the world.
I'm like, what do you mean?
Take over the world, like controleverybody or like make a bunch of money.
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What does that mean?
So when I ask these questions about yourgoals or what success or wealth means,
it's like, where's your intention at?
Where is your heart at and doesthis match my energy and your vibe?
'Cause I feel like there are peoplewho focus on the money and to get
there in any way and means possible.
Where they're willing to step oneach other in order to lift and
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Elevate themselves as opposed to allboats rose with rise with the tide.
So could we help motivate and encouragefellow entrepreneurs, whether they're
direct competition to us or not?
I feel like that still brings ustogether and makes us stronger together.
I couldn't agree more man.
Money is an amplifier, right?
If you're an asshole.
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It will amplify your asshole, right?
If you're a kind nice person, you getmore money, it will amplify that kindness.
It's just a matter of what doyou wanna do with that time?
What do you wanna do with all that energyand life that you have inside of you.
It's all core values and stuff andthe reason I even got on this podcast
and the reason that we had thisconversation is, you always have
this big smile on your face, dude.
You're always laughing at stuff andyou just have this vibe where there's
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compassion embedded deeply inside of you.
It exudes out of you.
Appreciate that.
It's magnetic, man.
It's magnetic.
I was gonna ask, likewise for you, withyour charisma, do you find it having a
positive impact or effect on the peopleyou interact with, whether it's your
dental patients or business relations.
Do people start to pick up onjust your charisma and start
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to feed off of that energy too?
And do you notice other peoplemimicking you as well now?
I think in order to stay humble, I'lldownplay this as much as possible.
I think the most important thing,if anyone is looking to influence
people, what would that book MakeFriends and influence people?
I don't know if I even read that book.
I think I read a couple pages of it butmy assessment is, if you just take on some
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responsibility and just tackle an amountof commitment that feels good to you.
Your self worth and your characterand everything will build itself.
You can't fake for so long,you can't fake your shit.
You have to do it, you have todo the work and then you will
earn other people's attention.
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That's all that really matters,the things that you're doing
when no one's watching you.
It's definitely had an impacton my surrounding for sure.
And it's had an impact for a long time.
I've genuinely enjoyed having that impacton people and asking them weird questions.
There was like a entire phase in highschool that I would sit there and
literally find interesting people andpsychoanalyze them in front of a group
of high school students and everyonewould be like, that was some shit.
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It's always been fun.
That is so cool.
So where can people find you onlineand get connected with you to find
your channels and learn more about you?
So Turabify is my personalbrand T-U-R-A-B-I-F-Y.
You can connect with me any wayyou'd like over there if you're
interested in the charity thing.
It's called Bright SmilesCommunity Outreach Coalition.
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It's based out of Ohio.
If you're interested in crypto again, youcan go into Turabify or email me that way.
And then there's obviouslyFranklin Dental Care in dentures.
If you're a dentist or if you're some sortof administration that you're interested
in building this thing that's gonnaaffect millions and millions of lives.
You can go and check me out there.
But again, Chris, thank you so much.
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We're gonna be doing a lot of fun worktogether, I'm sure over the years.
Same here and we will have those linksin available down in the show notes
and the description for everybody here.
Now I have a couple more questions if youhave some time just wanted to ask if you
had to go back in time and tell yourselfone piece of advice, what would that be?
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Fail more.
That's a good one, but why?
Like, who the hell cares, dude?
Go and just fuck everything up.
Seriously, all the time.
There just rampage Hulk all the time.
Go and just mess all of the things upthat you're overthinking right now.
Just go and mess it up.
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Don't even worry about it becauseif you do that for the next 10 years
of your life, you are gonna be somuch better off than people that
are just not taking the chances.
Hug your parents more, show a lot oflove to everyone around you that you can,
there's really nothing like that in life.
There's this concept of be the beloved.
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The beloved is the person that isremembered far after their death.
Be that person, embody that person.
That's what I would say.
I absolutely love that.
Now, how many science centers andlibraries do you think they'll
name after you in 30, 40 years?
Dude.
If I could get Turabify inthe dictionary, I'd be good.
What do you classify it as?
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Is it a noun?
Is it a verb?
Is it a way you feel?
Is it a way you live?
For someone that enjoys reading andwriting, I don't know my grammatical
things but in my opinion, would be liketo return it to soil because turab in
Arabic actually means soil and happiness.
It's not this narcissistic brand but a lotof it has to do with ecology and nature
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and like, exactly what you were sayingthat a higher tide raises all boats.
It's the same philosophy.
You enrich the soil andyou'll watch the shit grow
Wow.
To return to soil.
And from that growthhappens, you plant the seed.
Wow.
That's even deeper than I thought.
That is excellent.
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That's so cool.
So what are you planning for in 2025?
You have a lot of thingsgoing on currently.
Are you just staying the course witheverything you have going on or do
you have maybe three to five yeargoals that you're gonna be focusing on
that you're willing to share with us?
So for dentistry, my goal in thenext five years, I should aim big.
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I want to have 10 dental practices andall throughout this western Ohio area
and I want every single one of themto be giving 10% of their profits to
the nonprofit to be able to actuallyship out millions of dental kits.
That's my dental mission asfar as the Web3 and crypto
space in the next five years.
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I want to give the average person alot more access to the information
to utilize Web3 technology and reallyunderstand where it's useful and how
to integrate it into regular life.
I think we're moving reallyfast in that direction.
I think it's very important for youngpeople especially to get a little
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bit of information for that as faras Turabify, the Turabify Network,
which is an internship network forhigh school and college students.
In the next five years, I would love tohave 5,000 dedicated students and for
all of them to be functioning togetherand getting great jobs and building
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businesses together and really justoverall making the world a better place.
And I would like that to be aninternational program 'cause I want
people also to be interacting acrossthese barriers that we've made.
So those are my five year goals.
A little ambitious butwe'll see how that goes.
Maybe not ambitious compared to someone
watching this.
I feel like it's right in between.
It's absolutely perfectlyambitious but not overly ambitious.
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It's doable.
Definitely doable.
I hope so.
It's just gonna require every day.
Every day as you've been doing for thelast x amount of years and just keep
doing the same thing but it's ambitious.
And I love that you're trying to bringresources together for the middle
school, high school age era becauseinfluential on their life, they're
learning life lessons that will be carriedwith them into early adulthood there.
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So to have some sort of leadership programor a mentorship to come together for
that, I think is gonna be so impactful.
Have you had very impactful mentorsthat have kind of like shown you
the way or provided opportunitiesthat you feel like you just wanna
give 'em a little shout out?
A little correction onthe Turabify network.
I have started out specificallywith college students currently.
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Okay.
I would love to have high school andmiddle school students but I just don't
think they have the attention span andI don't have quite the understanding of
what they're going through, I feel like28 years old, I'm a little disconnected.
So as far as my mentors, Dr. ManleyMinster, Dr. Richard Ram, Mr.
John Moore, Mr. Durry, My Englishteacher in Lexington High School.
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God, I could name infinite manuncles, aunts, my mom's older
brother, Amer Sharif, who is arenowned psychiatrist in London.
I could just go on all the books thatI've read, like, you're building on
the shoulders of giants and let someonebuild on your shoulder for God's sake.
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I love it.
Rai, is there anything elsethat I haven't, go ahead.
No, you're good.
Just saying incredible humanbeings and great questions
Chris, that was for you.
Thank you.
Again with like brain work framework,we're trying to get inside the minds
of entrepreneurs, see what's beenimpactful for them, their mentors.
I feel like I owe a great deal of creditto my mentors who just kind of gave me
some ideas and showed me the way and that.
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That opened up way morepossibilities and opportunities.
And that the fact that otherpeople came, they come and go
from your life but they're alwaysthere for a moment, for a reason.
So as long as you have that as a lessonor a teaching moment, I feel like it
can help build you up and like yousaid, just build on the shoulders of
everyone else and you become that nextpedestal, the next shoulder to stand on.
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I could tell, your wisdom isbeyond your years, my friend.
You had to get it from somewhere.
I'm getting it from greatpeople like you, man.
The more people I interact with, we justbuild off good energy, good ideas here.
So it's refreshing to have that becausewith the craziness and negativity in
the world that we experience to havereal human connection with people who
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are like-minded, who wanna have impactwith a real heart, it's like, wow.
It doesn't feel like many ofthose people are out there or
you just don't see 'em as often.
There's a lot of negativity that exists.
I guess on the last thing I would sayspecifically about networking is, I've
moved a lot and I've seen a lot ofplaces I've had the luxury of doing that.
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There is gold everywhere, I promise you.
They're probably in your backyard.
Just go into your garden and look around.
In the cities, in the worstcities in the world, there's gold.
The positivity, you will feelit, it feels like the sun.
You'll feel it go towards it.
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And try to shake its hand orsomething, you know what I mean?
Get you some of that.
That's good.
Yes.
Feed off the energy.
Let the sun just bask in the sun a bit.
Feel the raise that energy.
And the more that we can take inourselves, the more we'll be able
to give back to replenish others.
I think in hope and feel.
But that's just me.
Turab, I appreciate you coming onto theshow, sharing your wisdom, inspiring
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others entrepreneurs and our audience.
I appreciate it so much.
Thank you so much for having me, Chris.
I can't wait to do more.
I gotta have you on my podcast.
That sounds great, man.
We just become best friends.
Yep.
Thank you.
Easy peasy, baby.
I love it.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, my pleasure, dude.
Anytime.
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With us today is a very special guest.
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He's a dentist, influencer, investor,artist and philanthropist on a mission
to change how we Educate Turab Rai.
So excited to have you on.
How you doing today?
Thank you so much for having me.
I am doing wonderful.
It is 8:00 PM here Easterntime, so right at the end of
the day but I'm enjoying life.
Thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
Absolutely.
The pleasure's all ours.
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So excited because you've beendoing so many great things.
You're accomplished.
You have so much on your plate and you'restill propelling forward just to have
that opportunity to share some of yourwisdom with us, we appreciate that.
So tell us more about your journey.
What were you doing that kindof lets you into the multiple
hats that you're wearing today?
Dude, I've talked to a lot of older peopleand the ones that I respect the most.
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I had this question wereyou always like this?
Almost every single time theysay yes, I was always like this.
So in a strange way, I think it's justa kind of a snowball effect of having
this personality that's interested in alot of different things and just wanting
to make an impact in my environmentis the most important thing to me.
Like, I don't want to be like one ofthose people that just flies on the wall.
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I wanna have an impacton people and on society.
So I moved a lot in my life.
Basically.
I was born in Pakistansomewhere around four years old.
We moved to Canada 'cause my mom wassick and tired of everyone basically
paying their way to be on top.
She was like, I want to go toa more merit based society.
So we moved to Canada.
Worked our way into the middle class.
My mom and my dad were doingquite well for themselves.
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And my dad was studying to become alawyer and having a successful real
estate business alongside my mother.
He passed away 'cause he had hepatitisC on some accident or something
that he got when he was in Pakistan.
And we ended up moving a lot overthe United States because my mom
wanted to get her dental license soshe could provide for these two kids.
And I have an older brotherhe's a physician as well.
So in that process, I basically discoveredthat I did have a way of communicating
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with people and for the most part,I could get some sort of a response
outta my professors and outta my class.
Usually I try to do it in apositive way not in a bullying way.
And by virtue of moving so much, Ialso got quite a backbone when it came
to bullies too, I was like, I don'tknow if you watch Dragon Ball Z but
if you make a really scary face andyou just look at someone really angry,
they'll basically leave you alone.
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So I figured that out.
They don't wanna mess with that.
Yeah, I figured that over the courseof the moves and then sometime in
dental school in Temple Universityright in North Philadelphia.
I began to explore a lot moreof my interest in creating
clubs and organizations.
Basically every single time I movedto these different schools, I was
like, okay, let's make a club.
Let's see what we can do forthe school and I created the
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Health Sciences Music Club.
I'm a musician.
I don't know if you see in thebackground but I have a pair, I
have a drum kit, I have a keyboardright here and make music and stuff.
So I made the Health Science MusicClub 'cause I was like, dude, there's
no way I'm gonna be able to findmusicians to jam with regularly.
I had this idea of crafting thisenvironment where these healthcare
providers can go during lunch and theycould hear some live music and maybe be
in a better mood for the latter half ofthe day and changing the whole culture.
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I had this big scheme in my head but Ijust didn't have the execution skills
at the time to make it sustainable.
And so experimentation again and againwith these clubs and trying to make
them sustainable and trying to make themmeaningful, impactful and then right in
my senior year, I graduated after manyof my classmates did because I just
didn't adhere to the standards of theschool, I guess for a lot of reasons.
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Mainly I was just like, what the helldoes this matter like my hand skills
and my patient communication is betterthan most of these kids but then I
realized I needed the damn degree.
So in those six months that Istayed afterwards, I started really
thinking about, hey, you claim inyour head to be this talented guy.
You have a lot of interests and you havesome insights and ideas and yet you're
here while all of your class is gone.
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I grew this tremendous resentmentfor myself and I was like, it's
time to get your shit together man.
Get disciplined in some things, likedon't be afraid of this money thing
'cause it really does meanpower and influence in society.
I came across Grant Cardone'swebinar or whatever and I got into
that stuff so I got really excited.
I made a lot of public health clubsand stuff in dental school and I just
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realized that doctors in general are notparticularly concerned about public health
even though that's really our mission.Doctor in Latin means teacher, so
it's literally like a part of youridentity and when I got outta school
I have this amazing opportunity.
My mom's a dentist here in Ohioand she said, when you get outta
school, come and work with me.
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And for better or worse, we'vebeen working together for
about a year and a half now.
I've tripled the gross revenueof the practice since I've
started this national nonprofit.
We actually just got mentionedby the mayor or the governor of
Ohio, the national nonprofit,and he mentioned my name.
Which I was like, whoa, bro.
But I was like, chill.
Keep working.
I'm a big systems guy just like yourself.
I love technology.
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I love interacting with people.
I love making a difference and thatjust means getting into business
and becoming a leader and startingall these different initiatives.
So some of the things I'm workingon right now is ratify Network,
which is like an internship forstudents nationally if anyone wants
to know about leadership development.
Bright Smiles Community OutreachCoalition is the nonprofit that delivers
a bunch of dental kits and educates thecommunity, ideally going national as well.
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I'm a dentist and then I'm also thechief marketing officer for a crypto
company, a crypto finance company.
That's super interesting.
If anyone watching this podcast intocrypto, go ahead and drop Krisa a DM
and let us know how we can help you.
But it's been exciting, man.
It's a lot of work but I feel likein our twenties and early thirties,
we should be doing a lot of work.
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We should be figuringout what we're useful at.
Absolutely.
That's an incredible journey and itsounds very similar to myself and many
other entrepreneurs where sometimesit's like we think we're bigger than
we are but we have to go with theflow of things, even if it doesn't
feel like it's in our best interest.
But when we get our stuff togetherand really put our foot forward.
Man, the things that we can accomplishwhen we really put our mind to it.
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And you're a testament to that and Ilove that you're focusing on impact,
you're giving back to the community.
How can this be of even more value?
It's not just about the exchange of money.
Money can be a tool.
It's powerful but alsothere's additional value.
What else can you leave behind?
And I feel like that goes moreinto the legacy, the impact.
This is what people should befocusing on in business, I feel like.
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I think it makes the entireprocess of working your ass
off a lot more satisfying.
It's like, just today, there was oneof my patients that was like, dude, I
love what you guys do at the practice.
I was like, bro, can I record that ona video so I can share with my staff?
We never get to hear that stuff.
So I think you're gonna endup working really hard anyway.
You might as well do it forsomething that you really believe in.
Yep.
Absolutely.
And I feel like mid stage entrepreneursare looking to find that they're
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looking to do more, to give back.
So it's not surprising to see manydifferent initiatives, start nonprofits
or create educational content for peoplejust to give back, which is excellent.
Yeah, I think a lot of theinfluencers online these days are
about that whole giver's mentality.
I think it's for thebetterment of humanity.
I think there's probably an equal andopposite force out there but I just
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don't interact with that very much.
We've got a lot of reallygood role models these days.
All the big business people onInstagram, on YouTube, they're
just giving out free game.
big free game.
It's amazing.
Yeah and it almost makes me question howcan people not still find opportunity.
I feel like the education is there butmaybe people are lacking the confidence
or just the ability to execute.
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Maybe it's not the right time in theirlife to take on an initiative like that.
I don't know if you feel this way butI think at some point every human being
just gets sick and tired of being sickand tired and you're just like, bro.
I'm good.
I need to go and do the other thing that'sgonna make me happy about being myself.
And it could probably go both ways, right?
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It could be like you're a reallysuccessful in corporate or something and
I know a good friend of mine is tryingto branch into more entrepreneurship
or just constant reassessment.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think for both people whoare working jobs and entrepreneurs.
It's okay to make a pivot.
One decision now does not need to stickwith you for the rest of your life.
You can always change, changedirection, go back to school,
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change anything that you want.
I prefer to be in control.
I like that.
So the fact that we can educate othersand empower them to make their own choices
and control at least some of the outcome.
That feels like the safer bet to meas opposed to working for someone
but I do understand the need.
It's kinda like we have to be apart of the system first in order
to branch out and support ourselves.
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That's entirely fair, man.
And I didn't have a normal nine tofive job but I was definitely part
of a system, the education system.
And I don't think it's that muchdifferent than the real world.
So, I think it's interestingthat you said that we have this
chance to go out and branch.
I think the reason that a lot of peopledon't take that chance even if they
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have an inkling of something insideof them, is they're very risk averse
and one of my favorite quotes is, thegreatest risk to take is to not take
any risks at all because necessarilythe only constant is change, right?
So by virtue of staying thesame, you actually risk the most.
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Yes, absolutely.
And it's only once that feeling ofstaying the same becomes so uncomfortable.
That change in itself, they're willingto make that change because they
no longer want to stay the same.
But it's really scary.
It's something new but this is us growing.
That's an opportunity.
If you feel uncomfortable, good.
Get used to that feeling becausethe more you push yourself, the
more that you practice and exercise,you're gonna become stronger.
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Absolutely.
And I see that guitar in thebackground and I know Steely Dan,
when I was watching some of theirinterviews, they were talking about
how guitar players fly, right?
That they're flying when they're soloing.
And to me, a lot of this sense oftaking risk is almost like flight,
there's really no ground underneath you.
There's probably far below, youcan get there and you don't really
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know how high up you can go.
You might have a sense of whereyou're going to go but a lot of it
is you're like a new bird, you'retrying to figure out how to use your
wings and navigate the wind currents.
So I think it's a creativeexpression of humanity.
You could go and do an art or you can goand try to make your life into an art.
Well said.
Now I wanted to ask more about themarketing side of business because taking
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a practice from 1 million to 3 million.
Super impressive.
What was your strategy behind that growth?
Was that going from a solointo multiple dentists?
Was this just more marketing?
What did you focus on?
So necessarily it was my mother thatwas working there alone and she had
very little staff 'cause she stillbasically doesn't like interacting
with a lot of different peopleand teaching them all these things
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but by virtue of having two dentists,you double the revenue potentially.
And then also Ohio had a 93%increase in the payments that
we get through state insurance.
So those two things paired togethernecessarily already meant that
our revenue is gonna increase.
Now, I want to say that that's not theonly reason because obviously if you're
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gonna see more patients, you need to havemore operations, more standardization.
So basically what I said was, okay,let's go out and spread out these dental
kits and let's go and interact with thefacilities that would most likely have the
type of patients that we're looking for.
So what we did was in the beginning,for about six months, bright Smiles
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Community Outreach Coalition wasjust Franklin Dental Outreach.
We would get all these toothbrushes andtoothpaste and one of my patients was
talking to me about, I had some internsover the summer and she heard us over
talking or she overheard us talking.
I had a phone call or something.
I just got out a phone call inthe parking lot and she walked by.
She was like, I'm here, you might aswell just hire me but she gave us these
great examples of reaching out to UnitedWay and reaching out to the Boy Scouts
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and reaching out to all this stuff.
My interns at the time weretalking about nonprofits.
I was like, we shouldtotally go for profit.
It'll make more sense.
And then I ended up hiring her asthe outreach coordinator for Franklin
Dental, she brought on her team.
We hunted out thousands of kitsthat led to partnerships with
other dental practices thatdon't necessarily take Medicaid.
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So we got a lot of referrals from them.
We were obviously seeing a lot morepatients, so we got a lot of referrals
from their friends and family.
We were one of the only providersand still basically are of Medicaid
in Ohio at the scale that we do.
And so a lot of those efforts, I wouldsay for marketing in general and the
social media game, I'm still tryingto kind of figure out 'cause there's
this lead conversion aspect to it.
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But the thing that's worked forall of my mentors and the people
that I respect is you just gottaget out there in your community.
If you're offering a service that youbelieve is valuable, there's a very good
chance and you actually like deliveron that, there's a very good chance
that by referral or by curiosity or byneed that people are gonna come to you
then becomes the issue of fulfillingthe promise that you put forward.
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And as long as you fulfill thatpromise and you ideally over deliver
on that promise, there's no reasonthat your business is ever gonna stop.
But to stagnate in businessis really just a decline.
So there's always this kind oflike this drive to like, okay,
how do we get more patients?
How do we get patients that pay more?
How do we optimize our supplies sowe don't spend as much money on the
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same level of treatment that we do.
So it's important to think aboutall the little things and the staff.
I mean, I have fucking phenomenalstaff, they are incredible human
beings and they just work theirbutts off and they're really nice
and we could not do it without them.
Nice.
I think it's a testament that I knowit was like the general marketing, A
lot of people think advertising socialmedia but networking is marketing.
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You hit the ground running.
If this was Gorilla marketing, let'sgo introduce ourselves, provide value
to people and they get value from thisand we can create partnerships and
referrals, well then that's great,and that obviously started to work.
And then it's the fulfillment piece.
But taking it beyond that, all thereviews and referrals that you get
from those, that should create thisself-sustaining cycle, as you said,
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where you really don't have to do asmuch maintenance into marketing or you
don't have to do these big campaigns.
It should be working on autopilot for you.
So it's all the great elementsand pillars of business.
Kind of just, Hey, let's throwaway the things that really don't
work more, the vanity stuff.
Let's go hit the ground running where therubber meets the road and that's how you
built through marketing and networking.
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And just to be clear, we've spent a lot ofmoney on marketing and any company that's
looking to grow needs to spend some moneyon marketing and needs to figure it out.
And the other thing that I wantedto say to those that are listening
that you make it sound so easy.
I spent half a million dollarsgetting the education that I have in
order to be that useful for society.
So there's a reason that dentists getpaid a lot is because not very many
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people know how to do what dentists do.
So that's the other thing,is like you gotta get some
sort of technical skill that
no one can touch and no one can questionand that's the execution part of it.
Business ain't easy.
That's not what I'm saying, bro.
Yeah, it's like, the more youinvest, the more expenses.
The revenue has to be higher.
So there's this balance.
Hopefully you can get that return whereafter X amount of years you can say, Hey.
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This is worth it.
Making this type of income.
And it's interesting from just thebilling and payment side aspect
of dentistry versus what the otherpractices in healthcare have become.
I feel like dentistry is stillone of the more affordable
for most private pay people.
They could still afford that out ofpocket without needing an insurance plan.
Whereas I feel the hospitalprices may be overinflated or
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they're not working on efficiency.
I feel like dentistry has takena different route and it's
remained affordable for mostAmericans and people in general.
I would like to have more insighton that because obviously I'm a
Medicaid provider for the most part.
When the American Dental Associationcommunicate internally, they don't talk
about state insurance as insurance.
They talk about it as benefitscause they're not paying anything.
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None of the people that have Medicaidare paying any money to have Medicaid.
They just qualify.
And then there's like this whole systemthat basically pays out these providers.
So in a big way.
I'm very thankful for that system.
Obviously it's been amajor part of my revenue.
In terms of the affordability, it's hardto say 'cause from my practice, a crown
is $1,800 now at other practices, right?
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A crown can be 30, 600, whatever.
So it all depends on the market.
It all depends on what typeof patients you wanna serve.
How much money you wanna make.
How much money matters to you.
How much of an impact you wanna make?
It and last thing, one of mymentors, he was telling me about
a doctor that started his ownpractice and he made a lot of money.
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And he was telling me about where hestarted and he would always say that,
dude, this guy gave out so much freemedical care like hundreds of thousands of
dollars over the course of his lifespan.
That's why he's rich Torah.
It's not because he wasgunning after money.
He was rich because heencapsulated the idea of wealth.
And wealth requires you to give then thestuff comes to you 'cause you deserve it.
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What does success in wealth mean to you?
It just means having a voice.
I think if you value your philosophyin life and if you value the way that
your soul is, the way that you makepeople feel, it's almost an obligation
to become wealthy, to become powerful.
And there's a basic thing that I'llsay changed my entire perception
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on the socioeconomic classes.
This is directly from Grant Cardone.
Poor people spend money,middle class people save money.
Rich people invest money.
Now, that in itself is a thing and middleclass, by the way, if you're saving money
all the time or your parents are savingmoney all the time and you think you're
wealthy, you're probably middle class.
Rich people invest money.
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Wealthy people give money away.
That's strange that for some reasongiving things away to people in an open
heart is more valuable than investing in.
And wealth, to me is really justan abundance of things, right?
It's like I wanna haveopportunities, I wanna have smiles
and love and laughter around.
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I wanna have cool experiences.
When I'm older, I want to be able to saythat I've done something for my community.
I think wealth and virtue canactually be very closely associated.
That's kinda why it matters to me.
Absolutely.
Because I hear from a lot ofother entrepreneurs and I'll
ask 'em, what are your goals?
And I'll hear some of themsay, take over the world.
I'm like, what do you mean?
Take over the world, like controleverybody or like make a bunch of money.
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What does that mean?
So when I ask these questions about yourgoals or what success or wealth means,
it's like, where's your intention at?
Where is your heart at and doesthis match my energy and your vibe?
'Cause I feel like there are peoplewho focus on the money and to get
there in any way and means possible.
Where they're willing to step oneach other in order to lift and
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Elevate themselves as opposed to allboats rose with rise with the tide.
So could we help motivate and encouragefellow entrepreneurs, whether they're
direct competition to us or not?
I feel like that still brings ustogether and makes us stronger together.
I couldn't agree more man.
Money is an amplifier, right?
If you're an asshole.
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It will amplify your asshole, right?
If you're a kind nice person, you getmore money, it will amplify that kindness.
It's just a matter of what doyou wanna do with that time?
What do you wanna do with all that energyand life that you have inside of you.
It's all core values and stuff andthe reason I even got on this podcast
and the reason that we had thisconversation is, you always have
this big smile on your face, dude.
You're always laughing at stuff andyou just have this vibe where there's
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compassion embedded deeply inside of you.
It exudes out of you.
Appreciate that.
It's magnetic, man.
It's magnetic.
I was gonna ask, likewise for you, withyour charisma, do you find it having a
positive impact or effect on the peopleyou interact with, whether it's your
dental patients or business relations.
Do people start to pick up onjust your charisma and start
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to feed off of that energy too?
And do you notice other peoplemimicking you as well now?
I think in order to stay humble, I'lldownplay this as much as possible.
I think the most important thing,if anyone is looking to influence
people, what would that book MakeFriends and influence people?
I don't know if I even read that book.
I think I read a couple pages of it butmy assessment is, if you just take on some
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responsibility and just tackle an amountof commitment that feels good to you.
Your self worth and your characterand everything will build itself.
You can't fake for so long,you can't fake your shit.
You have to do it, you have todo the work and then you will
earn other people's attention.
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That's all that really matters,the things that you're doing
when no one's watching you.
It's definitely had an impacton my surrounding for sure.
And it's had an impact for a long time.
I've genuinely enjoyed having that impacton people and asking them weird questions.
There was like a entire phase in highschool that I would sit there and
literally find interesting people andpsychoanalyze them in front of a group
of high school students and everyonewould be like, that was some shit.
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It's always been fun.
That is so cool.
So where can people find you onlineand get connected with you to find
your channels and learn more about you?
So Turabify is my personalbrand T-U-R-A-B-I-F-Y.
You can connect with me any wayyou'd like over there if you're
interested in the charity thing.
It's called Bright SmilesCommunity Outreach Coalition.
(21:48):
It's based out of Ohio.
If you're interested in crypto again, youcan go into Turabify or email me that way.
And then there's obviouslyFranklin Dental Care in dentures.
If you're a dentist or if you're some sortof administration that you're interested
in building this thing that's gonnaaffect millions and millions of lives.
You can go and check me out there.
But again, Chris, thank you so much.
(22:09):
We're gonna be doing a lot of fun worktogether, I'm sure over the years.
Same here and we will have those linksin available down in the show notes
and the description for everybody here.
Now I have a couple more questions if youhave some time just wanted to ask if you
had to go back in time and tell yourselfone piece of advice, what would that be?
(22:32):
Fail more.
That's a good one, but why?
Like, who the hell cares, dude?
Go and just fuck everything up.
Seriously, all the time.
There just rampage Hulk all the time.
Go and just mess all of the things upthat you're overthinking right now.
Just go and mess it up.
(22:52):
Don't even worry about it becauseif you do that for the next 10 years
of your life, you are gonna be somuch better off than people that
are just not taking the chances.
Hug your parents more, show a lot oflove to everyone around you that you can,
there's really nothing like that in life.
There's this concept of be the beloved.
(23:13):
The beloved is the person that isremembered far after their death.
Be that person, embody that person.
That's what I would say.
I absolutely love that.
Now, how many science centers andlibraries do you think they'll
name after you in 30, 40 years?
Dude.
If I could get Turabify inthe dictionary, I'd be good.
What do you classify it as?
(23:35):
Is it a noun?
Is it a verb?
Is it a way you feel?
Is it a way you live?
For someone that enjoys reading andwriting, I don't know my grammatical
things but in my opinion, would be liketo return it to soil because turab in
Arabic actually means soil and happiness.
It's not this narcissistic brand but a lotof it has to do with ecology and nature
(24:00):
and like, exactly what you were sayingthat a higher tide raises all boats.
It's the same philosophy.
You enrich the soil andyou'll watch the shit grow
Wow.
To return to soil.
And from that growthhappens, you plant the seed.
Wow.
That's even deeper than I thought.
That is excellent.
(24:21):
That's so cool.
So what are you planning for in 2025?
You have a lot of thingsgoing on currently.
Are you just staying the course witheverything you have going on or do
you have maybe three to five yeargoals that you're gonna be focusing on
that you're willing to share with us?
So for dentistry, my goal in thenext five years, I should aim big.
(24:41):
I want to have 10 dental practices andall throughout this western Ohio area
and I want every single one of themto be giving 10% of their profits to
the nonprofit to be able to actuallyship out millions of dental kits.
That's my dental mission asfar as the Web3 and crypto
space in the next five years.
(25:04):
I want to give the average person alot more access to the information
to utilize Web3 technology and reallyunderstand where it's useful and how
to integrate it into regular life.
I think we're moving reallyfast in that direction.
I think it's very important for youngpeople especially to get a little
(25:25):
bit of information for that as faras Turabify, the Turabify Network,
which is an internship network forhigh school and college students.
In the next five years, I would love tohave 5,000 dedicated students and for
all of them to be functioning togetherand getting great jobs and building
(25:46):
businesses together and really justoverall making the world a better place.
And I would like that to be aninternational program 'cause I want
people also to be interacting acrossthese barriers that we've made.
So those are my five year goals.
A little ambitious butwe'll see how that goes.
Maybe not ambitious compared to someone
watching this.
I feel like it's right in between.
It's absolutely perfectlyambitious but not overly ambitious.
(26:07):
It's doable.
Definitely doable.
I hope so.
It's just gonna require every day.
Every day as you've been doing for thelast x amount of years and just keep
doing the same thing but it's ambitious.
And I love that you're trying to bringresources together for the middle
school, high school age era becauseinfluential on their life, they're
learning life lessons that will be carriedwith them into early adulthood there.
(26:29):
So to have some sort of leadership programor a mentorship to come together for
that, I think is gonna be so impactful.
Have you had very impactful mentorsthat have kind of like shown you
the way or provided opportunitiesthat you feel like you just wanna
give 'em a little shout out?
A little correction onthe Turabify network.
I have started out specificallywith college students currently.
(26:51):
Okay.
I would love to have high school andmiddle school students but I just don't
think they have the attention span andI don't have quite the understanding of
what they're going through, I feel like28 years old, I'm a little disconnected.
So as far as my mentors, Dr. ManleyMinster, Dr. Richard Ram, Mr.
John Moore, Mr. Durry, My Englishteacher in Lexington High School.
(27:15):
God, I could name infinite manuncles, aunts, my mom's older
brother, Amer Sharif, who is arenowned psychiatrist in London.
I could just go on all the books thatI've read, like, you're building on
the shoulders of giants and let someonebuild on your shoulder for God's sake.
(27:36):
I love it.
Rai, is there anything elsethat I haven't, go ahead.
No, you're good.
Just saying incredible humanbeings and great questions
Chris, that was for you.
Thank you.
Again with like brain work framework,we're trying to get inside the minds
of entrepreneurs, see what's beenimpactful for them, their mentors.
I feel like I owe a great deal of creditto my mentors who just kind of gave me
some ideas and showed me the way and that.
(27:58):
That opened up way morepossibilities and opportunities.
And that the fact that otherpeople came, they come and go
from your life but they're alwaysthere for a moment, for a reason.
So as long as you have that as a lessonor a teaching moment, I feel like it
can help build you up and like yousaid, just build on the shoulders of
everyone else and you become that nextpedestal, the next shoulder to stand on.
(28:18):
I could tell, your wisdom isbeyond your years, my friend.
You had to get it from somewhere.
I'm getting it from greatpeople like you, man.
The more people I interact with, we justbuild off good energy, good ideas here.
So it's refreshing to have that becausewith the craziness and negativity in
the world that we experience to havereal human connection with people who
(28:39):
are like-minded, who wanna have impactwith a real heart, it's like, wow.
It doesn't feel like many ofthose people are out there or
you just don't see 'em as often.
There's a lot of negativity that exists.
I guess on the last thing I would sayspecifically about networking is, I've
moved a lot and I've seen a lot ofplaces I've had the luxury of doing that.
(28:59):
There is gold everywhere, I promise you.
They're probably in your backyard.
Just go into your garden and look around.
In the cities, in the worstcities in the world, there's gold.
The positivity, you will feelit, it feels like the sun.
You'll feel it go towards it.
(29:19):
And try to shake its hand orsomething, you know what I mean?
Get you some of that.
That's good.
Yes.
Feed off the energy.
Let the sun just bask in the sun a bit.
Feel the raise that energy.
And the more that we can take inourselves, the more we'll be able
to give back to replenish others.
I think in hope and feel.
But that's just me.
Turab, I appreciate you coming onto theshow, sharing your wisdom, inspiring
(29:40):
others entrepreneurs and our audience.
I appreciate it so much.
Thank you so much for having me, Chris.
I can't wait to do more.
I gotta have you on my podcast.
That sounds great, man.
We just become best friends.
Yep.
Thank you.
Easy peasy, baby.
I love it.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, my pleasure, dude.
Anytime.
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