Episode 1: Summer House, RHOBH & Traitors

Bravoholics Anonymous: A Summer House Rewatch, RHOBH Showdown & Traitors Predictions

Welcome to Bravoholics Anonymous, where we don’t just watch Bravo—we analyze, obsess, and, let’s be honest, judge a little. In this episode, I’ve gone deep into Summer House—like, real deep. Since the new season premieres on February 12, I decided to finally watch the first three seasons (for the first time!) and do a full rewatch from the beginning. I’m breaking down every roommate, where they started, where they are now, and whether I would actually want to spend a weekend in the Hamptons with them. Spoiler: probably not.

Then, we have to talk RHOBH. The tension between Dorit and Kyle is at an all-time high, and I am fully choosing a side. Plus, could it be that I’m actually loving Sutton? Her ego is out in full force, and for once, I might not be mad about it.

And finally, we check in on Traitors—who’s playing the smartest game, who’s in danger, and who I’m officially rooting for to take home the win. It’s a packed episode full of Reality TV chaos, so grab a Loverboy, settle in, and let’s get into it!

Episode Transcript

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Seats.
Hi, everybody.
My name is Lindsay, and I'm a bravo holic.
You're preaching to the choir.
Bravo, bravo, Bravo!
Honey, you have to stop saying that.
Welcome to Bravo Hollyoaks, anonymous.
I'm Lindsay, and the first thingI want to kick off with today

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is talkingabout my rewatch of Summer House.
Coming up right around the corner.
We've got the new season of Summer Housestarting on February 12th.
So I, over the last two weeks,did a complete rewatch, and I kind of
just want to do a stream of consciousnessabout each of the characters.

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And Summer House, what I think of them.
If I gained any new perspectiveswatching the first three seasons, here
we go, watching from season oneall the way through to Karl
Radtke breaking up with Lindsay on camera.
I feel like I know so much more about them
just catching the first three seasonsI jumped in and maybe season four,

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and I didn't go back and rewatchbecause at first I wasn't sure
if I was really into the show.
It did take me a while
to get into Summer House,and of course, we know making these shows,
they're editing for storyline,they're looking for something,
you know, that will gain an opinionand get people talking.
So they're going to highlight the bestand worst of people, and something

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I really want to credit Summer House for
is that they really do a good jobof making everyone look bad at some point.
Nobody is safe.
Everyone on this showis a little bit messy, and if they aren't
or if they're boring, we will not see themthe next summer.
And I know there's definitely peoplethat have come through

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and that we aren't seeing anymore.
So we'll start with Kyle Cook,one of the main alpha dogs.
The house I see himas the president of the fraternity.
This guy probably wouldn't surprise meif he wasn't the president
of his fraternity,
and we really see that come throughwhen they start introducing the
themed party weekends, which after Covidalmost becomes a regular thing,

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where people are appointedparty themes and get all this decor boxes
and boxes of Amazon deliveriescoming every weekend just to get the place
ready for whoever these people arethat show up for the parties.
Kyle Cook is the glue.
He is the drama bringer.
He's been doing this since the beginning.

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I likethey probably leased the house in his name
and it wouldn't surprise meif he had some kind of producing credit.
Honestly,he should, because I feel like he really
is bringing most of these people together,at least in early seasons.
Season one.
Just starting to hook upand hang out with Amanda.
And then throughout all the seasons,we see their relationship on furrow to,

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you know, are they going to get marriedor are they not going to get married?
Is Amanda happy? Is Kyle happy?
And we definitely see that, you know,at least in the earlier seasons, Kyle
definitely depends on drinking
to get his feelings out of his system.
And it's not the healthiest waysof doing that.

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I know later seasons we start hearing themtalk about therapy and what,
you know, what they're doing togetherand how they're working on things.
But he's definitelythe epitome of the New York guy
that's like, work hard, play hard.
And when I lived in New York City,I feel like every bro in Manhattan,
not just the finance guys,but they all kind of live by this.
And the culture.

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If you haven't lived in New York Cityor haven't spent a lot of time
in New York City, the social culturethere is very much happy hour.
So if you want to see your friends, it'safter work at the bar.
And if you're not a drinker,you're probably going
to become a drinker or you're going toyou have to find some vice,
because everyone's going to a barevery day after work to hang out.
I tried to throw numerous parties,numerous get togethers at my place

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because coming from Canada
and like, I don't know, that'sjust kind of like my friendship culture.
I like a chill hang, and that's probablywhy living in LA now, it suits me better.
But these people are partyingthrough the week.
Even if they're working all week,they're probably going to bars after.
And then your summer isn't successful
living in New Yorkif you don't get the hell out of town.

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And that's why the Hamptons is what it is,or Montauk is what it is.
And people flock to these placesbecause the city in the summer sucks.
It smells like garbage.
It's so damn hot, you know? It's dirty.
It's filthy, it's the park is beautiful.
But, I mean, it's just so hot.
Anyway, so we meet Kyle.
My take on Kyle, frat boy president.

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I admittedly like him.
I know he's toxic as hell.
He cheats on a man on a later season.
It's horrible.
I does something about this guy, thoughthat's forgiving, and
I just, like, I kind of,
I don't know, I'm rooting for him.
I'm rooting for him.
Then we meet LindsayHubbard, my namesake, and
I really hate that she has my name.

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So seeing Lindsay's relationship
in the early seasons with like, Everettand Steven in the pandemic,
and then when she gets with Carl,I can see the through line here.
Lindsay's at a point in an agewhere she is feeling so pressured
to check the boxes of lifethat she wants to check before
her biological clock is up,she has milestones that she wants to meet,

(05:32):
and I think we all have that girlfriendor we have experienced these pressures
in life where I feel likemaybe if you go through a breakup
in your early 30s, like I know I did,there's a lot that you have to process
in regards to that timelineand how you feel that pressure.
So going into like season onewhen she's with Everett
and she's talking about this timelinethat she has built out,

(05:55):
I swear she never threw that timeline out.
Every guy that she went through,she just jumped
back on the same train trackwith the timeline.
And she when she got with Carland the time she got with Carl
the second time,
he was already familiar with the timelineand he was feeling the same pressure.
And that's why we saw
things expedited the way we saw them,besides the fact that they were friends.

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So I think that this overarching pressureof her timeline,
her intensity to accomplish thingsmixed with her childhood trauma of like
not really having a foundational familyand like, really
wanting to start her own familyand have that thing that's hers
that she didn't have before because herparents, like, weren't in her life.

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And she had other, you know,aunts and stuff that were involved.
I think that, like, really feedsher toxicity and like,
why she's accepting partnersthat might not be right for her
and why she's not taking the timeto heal her wounds before
jumping into the next relationship.
And she just, like, defines itas this thing that's like, oh,
this is Lindsay.
So I think this is Lindsay's way.

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Like she just jumps back into the pool,she makes out with Austin and she's crazy
and it just hurts everybody along the way.
And then like, when she gets angryand starts yelling at you like, it's
no surprise everyone is afraid of Lindsay
getting pissed at thembecause it's just so intense and so fiery.
So next we go to Carl.
Carl to startis with one of the workers, sisters

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and or like, having a thing with herand then also dating around Carl.
It totally comes off like a sleaze.
I mean, I don't I don't understand anyone
who took his side in the whole big breakupat the end of the seasons.
Like he called the camera crewto record all of it.
And I guess he maybe felt the pressureto do that

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because his job for a long timeis just the production of the show,
which we don't see them breaking thefourth wall and mentioning in the show,
but it's like alluded to a lot, especiallyin the fights with Lindsay and Carl.
It's not a surprise that he like, goesto capitalize on the show
and make this a moment.
And I'm sure down the road, like Lindsay'sactually going to like that.

(08:06):
They did this thing because she fightsso hard for her storylines
and like, has always tried to bethis main character in the show.
I swear, the producer that's in Lindsay'sear is telling her that
she's like the main character of the show,and she can't back down
from this confrontation.
She has to go have this discussion
like, that's that's got to behow they motivate her to do stuff.

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Carl does like to run,and he clearly has like
these big avoidant tendencies because he'safraid to talk to his partners.
He's afraid to dump his partners.
So he invites a new girl to,over for the weekend in front of Lindsay.
When they on the first time
they started dating as a way of,like, breaking up with her.
Like, the guy doesn't have a backboneto talk to anybody.

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And honestly, maybe the cameras at the endhere of our most recent season
coming to videotape himhaving that talk with Lindsay
were almost like a security blanketfor those hard conversations,
because he wanted backup or protectionbecause it could get crazy.
I don't know, it just was it was wild.
And I don't thinkhe has respect for his partners.

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And I think he needs lots of therapy.
I think he needs so much therapy.
He should just be sober and, like, workon himself and his demons for a while.
Because this idea that he's running aroundand dating these poor women in New York
that are likelooking for their life partner,
and they're in this like, toxic cycleof not knowing
if they should hook up with someoneor if they should hook up with someone.

(09:33):
If that's going to give thema better chance
of seeing their date again down the road,which is like totally a real thing there.
And here in LA.
But it was really bad
with my friends in New York,like when I was living in New York and
some of my girlfriends were out dating,they would, you know, feel that pressure
to hook up on the first date to, like,maybe secure a second or third date.

(09:54):
I don't know,definitely like a more modern thing.
And so, yeah, that's my take on Carl.
I hate his white pants.I hate his loafers.
I think he thinks
that's like a statement of his now,but I just like they're always.
It's always too tight.
They're always too short.
No socks.
Still not wearing socks.I don't know, it's.

(10:15):
I don't like any of it.
His feet probably smell so bad.
Let's move on to Amanda. Amanda.
First introduced as like, Kyle's hookup.
Buddy wants something more and ends upsecuring the guy
you know is the life of the partythis cute, fun thing.
We have a great summer,and then it just becomes like,
you know, the pressures of lifenow that they're together

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and they're monogamous,are we going to move in together?
Are we going to get married?
Are we gonna have kids?
Are we going to move to the burbs wheremy parents are and they can serve us?
Lemonade like,this is a great lifestyle for us.
I do love them as a couple,Amanda and Kyle and like,
I want to root for them as a couple,but I don't think they naturally fit.
Like, I don't think Kyle
ever wants to leave the city,and I think it's going to take something

(10:57):
that really shakes uphis life to, like, want to change course.
Especially now that we see him deejayingall over the internet, and doing events,
which probably helps, you know,for his appearances for selling Loverboy.
I justI want Amanda to do the bathing suit line.
Okay.
If we have every girl with tits and like,a large rack, wants this bathing

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suit linethat Amanda's been talking about doing,
it astounds methat it hasn't been done yet.
I think she should just embrace itand do it.
But I mean, my sister does graphic design
and Amanda does graphic design,so I love that about her.
And I think she's greatand she's so beautiful and she's so chill.
And you know who isn't is Danielle.
So let's get him to Daniel.
Danielle is so cringe crazy.

(11:41):
She is a great and loyal friend, and
I think she just picksthe worst people to be loyal to.
And like Lindsay's that personand unless Lindsay's in a relationship
where she can getthat aggression out on her partner, then
she needs her securityblanket of Danielle.
And it's just sad to see thatDanielle takes that bait every time.

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A lot of anxious attachmentstuff going on.
So she is accepting thingsthat maybe she shouldn't.
And then, you know,if we watch Winter House,
we see that horrible seasonwhere she's basically like
pressuring that guy to hook up with her.
And that was really icky.
And then she came backthe next summer was kind of tame and like,

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I just I'm rooting for Danielle,but I'm worried about Danielle's demons,
and I honestly think they might be harder
to overcome than Lindsay and Karl's demonsbecause she keeps getting
she keeps getting so hurt and she doesn'ttake the right information away.
And when we have that big fight,when Karl and Lindsay get engaged
and Daniellefeels just like so left out of the picture

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because they were the three amigosand they were together all the time.
And then they don't even tell it.
They basically don't even tip her offthat it's happening.
And she's a little bit more traditionaland probably imagined, like she would help
Karl decorate or like, arrangethe family to come into town or whatever.
And Karl doesn't include herin any of that because she screams
into a pillow when he,like, tells her he's looking at rings.

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I mean, rightfully so.
She doesn't give off the right impressionand she knows the timeline is wrong.
But Karl Lindsay going down this paththat we know doesn't end well,
and Danielle knowsit's not going to end well.
So it's just a recipe for madness.
Brilliant for the show.
I enjoyed watching it so much.
But it shocked me when I watchedthe early seasons that Danielle

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and Karl were a couple,and I know we hear about it.
I know she mentions it a million timesthat she was with Karl first,
but I never saw it.
So going backand watching like the older shows
and seeing them that way
really, really gagged me.
I it was weird.
It was a trip to watch and just addedso much more perspective to it.

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So then we have the work as sisters.
One of them's moving away, one of them,one of them's saying
and ultra messybecause she's losing her twin.
And I just, I, I love the twins.
I think we need twins to come back.
We need more twins because twinshave these really cool relationships
and they have this.
And there's always some level of toxicityto other too close,
or they fight with each otherover the same guy or whatever.

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So I think Summer House needs twinsnext season.
Let's bring some more twins in.
Maybe dude twins. That'd be kind of cool.
We have Steven.
I really like Steven, and I'mkind of bummed Steven didn't come back.
Maybe he didn't come back becausethe work is girls didn't come back.
Maybe he didn't come backbecause, you know, he got a hot dude
in another country, or he movedor I don't know why he didn't come back.

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I know the T is on that.
Probably worth googling.
Everett seemed so sweet, though.
Like when Lindsay.
Let's go through Lindsay'sboyfriends, Everett and Steven
from the pandemic season.
Both seemed really supportiveand like they wanted
to give Lindsay what she wanted.

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But they didn't do it exactlyhow she wanted, so I felt bad for them.
You know, I do think that Stevenwas afraid to talk to her
about stuff and make things work,and I hated his dinner.
Lindsay was right.
The dinner he did inthe backyard was ugly,
and his, like, lit up thing on the lawn.
I know the gesture he was trying to make,but I didn't like it either.

(15:15):
Okay, and that's okay.
Lindsay can say thingsaren't tasteful, I, I agree,
but I
do think that Steve that Everetthad like, the right energy
and he was serious about herand this timeline.
And I think if
she could have just sat back a little bitand enjoyed it instead of, like,
getting drunk and fighting with himabout things like the alcohol

(15:39):
is really a problem for her.
And I think that's why when she was likesober for a little bit with Karl, that it
like was going so well, especially likein New York and in that lifestyle for them
it was going well because when she getsdrunk, that's when it all goes down.
That's when all the fighting starts.
So that was a really big problem for herwith Everett and Steven.

(16:00):
And just her way of interpretingwhat they're saying to her
and how and, and like,if their car rides or whatever,
she would misinterpret things
or take their tone wrongand that would start a fight.
She did it with Karl, too.
Alcohol's a big, big problem.
Okay, so page and Sierra, we I'm obsessed.
I listen to Gigli squad.

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I'm a big page two Sorbo fan.
I love when she fights back with Kyle.
Those few momentswhere she, like, digs at Kyle.
It's great.
I couldn't believe Paige and Karlhooking up in the closet.
I was like, what am I watching?
Like, I couldn't believe I hadn't seenthese seasons, you guys, because I was,

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I was shocked.
So when they were hooking up in thein the closet and like, Paige clearly
wanted something from Karl and Karl,like, was being all weird about it.
And and then she told him straightup, like, this is how I like to be dated.
You have to check in with me.
You should be taking me outduring the week.
Like,treat me like you're actually pursuing me.
And Karl, he's like,what, six for some shit in New York City,

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homeboy doesn't do anything to get women.
He just walks in the room and some,like, height chaser, tree chaser,
like, runs up and throws herself at himand like, that's how it is in LA, too.
If you're tall,you don't have to have any personality.
And now Karl's got these big veneersand like, his white pants
and whatever, and like,he gives them a little smile and they win.

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And I mean,
we'll probably see it down the roadwith our new Jewish friend that sings,
Anyway, so Paige fell for
that at first, but, then she quickly,like, told him what she wanted.
He wouldn't give it to her.
So she moved on and like, great,
because I love Paige and Andreaand of course, Paige and Craig.
But we all knew.

(17:49):
I knew at least that Paige and Craigweren't going to end up.
She was never going to go to Charlestonlike I thought.
Madison of Southern Charmmight have been her bridge
to getting to Charlestonand finding her community.
But like Madison's rare and she is a kidand she is a husband too,
and she's not going to be able to Kiki
through the week with Paige like Paigewants to do in her New York lifestyle.

(18:12):
So I was like, okay,Craig is going to have to move to New York
if this is going to all work out.
And you know what?
New Yorkersdon't want to buy Craig's pillows.
I've been to pillow his pillow shop.
And you know what? They're cute.They're cute.
If you have a boat or if you have likea nautical themed backyard or something,
but they are like a certain woman'sstyle of decor and it's not mine.

(18:35):
And I don't think it's a citywoman style decor.
So unless he came up with a linethat was more modern
or had more trendy colors to itthat weren't like a graphic image
of a lobster or a zebra or a pineapple,
maybe the New Yorkers would embrace it,but I also just don't think like New
Yorkers are going to be into Craig'spillows.
Maybe a midwestern housewifeis maybe someone

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that's living in a coastal citythat has a boat, or like a nautical
themed beach house or something likethat would be into it, a cottage.
They look great in a cottage,not in New York City.
So I can understand that.
Like he's not opening a pillowshop in New York City.
And that's probably ultimately whyit doesn't work.
Also, these bravolebrity,their club appearances

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and their event appearancesand their podcasts
and their merchis how they make their money.
So like Craig and Austin and Jax Taylorand Tom Schwartz,
these people are traveling aroundand they're making money meeting fans.
I do think like for the most part,she's business focused,
but it's metropolitan based.

(19:41):
It's not she's not going to Kansas.
You know, maybe she is for Gigli squad nowbecause they are doing some stuff.
But whatever.
Anyway, great. That's Paige,we love Paige.
We love Sierra.
Sierra is on traitors right now.
And we will talk about traders for sure.
But I love Sierra.
She comes in a little timid.
She comes in as a guest of Luke,who we have to get to.

(20:04):
I forgot about Luke, honestly.
Sierra comes in as a guest of Luketo make Hannah Berner jealous.
Luke. Mr.
Minnesota, we quickly learn a trend herewhen Sierra enters the house,
that he invites almost everybody
to his place in Minnesota, namely women.

(20:25):
But then we find out, yeah,he's invited producers to he's invited
blah, blah, blah.
And I just, I don't like guys like Luke
because he comes off so wholesomeand he's absolutely not wholesome.
He's on his phone talking to Sierra,FaceTiming Sierra, in his room at night,
and he's still flirting with Hannah,playing tennis with Hannah, like, leading

(20:49):
Hannah on.
And I think that Hannah's hyperfixation and, like,
what she's like, led to do in 2020,which is not pretty.
That's a horrible season.
I don't know,I had to take a break from giggly squad
after because I just couldn't unsee
Hannah and I needed to like separate

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Hannah, the Comicand the Giggly Squad host
from her rough, rough, rough season.
Luke was telling her his sister like,even talk to Luke on the phone
and was like, you're telling Hannah,I love you.
And he's having these in-depth,emotional conversations
with her, talking to her on the phonealmost every day.
Of course, she thinks that like somethingcould blossom on the show,
especially because they are making a showand they are looking for like maybe

(21:35):
thinking about the storylinethey want to have or where this summer's
going to go for them and like whatthey want to show people on camera.
That's natural.
But they're not going to talk about that
because they haven't brokenthe fourth wall on a show like this yet.
They do it later.
In the more recent seasons,which I think is like
groundbreaking for Bravo TV and realityTV as a whole.

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Hannah has a really rough seasonwith Luke.
Sierra comes in and he literally takesa super hot model Sierra and is trying,
and his plan is essentially to like,play them off each other.
And I don't know what he thoughtwas going to happen,
but it's so messy and so disrespectful.
And I want to give Sierra her flowersbecause she sees that red flag

(22:18):
and she listens to it and she doesn't play
with fire, and she's immediatelyturned off by someone like Luke.
And that is a grown woman.
And I just thought,damn, she's even hotter now
because she can handle herself in a waywhere she sees,
like a toxic guy and she's like,no, I'm I'm not interested in that.

(22:38):
If she if he's doing thisto this, this other girl,
I'm not necessarily she doesn't need to gorun and be Hannah's best friend.
She can hold her own and be comfortableand, like, still get to know the girls.
But she's also not going to tolerateLuke's behavior.
And I love thatshe doesn't leave the house.
I feel like a lot of women
would have seen that scenarioand probably not come back.

(22:59):
And Sierra's like, no, I'm here to stay.
And she developed this great relationshipwith Paige
and with Amanda,and I think I ultimately think like her.
She's truest to Paige, and I still thinkit'd be genius if they did a summer
where they brought back,and Hannah will never come back, I'm sure.
But if they brought back Hannahand they had Amanda and they had Danielle,

(23:19):
they had all these girls in there, likealmost vying for Paige to be their bestie.
I would love to see a girlssummer like that.
And I know they've already recordedlast summer stuff,
and I really tried to avoid the rumorsof everything that was swirling
around about these showsbecause I feel like
after the VanderpumpAriana Tom Sandoval thing,

(23:40):
there was just so much being leakedon podcasts and on TikTok and everything.
It was ruining the season for meand I wasn't even.
I was tired of the storyline
before the season came outfor the newest like Vanderpump. So,
I tried to avoid alot for the newest season of Summer House
when they filmed it,and I just can't wait for it to come out.
Who else do we have to jump on?

(24:02):
Andrea Denver,
my favorite summer house cast member.
He is so damn hot and so damn sweet. He.
And he's got this Italian charm.
I swear that man could talk himselfout of anything.
And he still doesn'tpresent himself as was,
like, toxic masculineguy, like a Karl Radtke does.

(24:26):
I'm so impressed by Andrea.
And I still want.
I still want Paige and Andreato get together.
Like, I still ship that.
God, he's perfect. Like,I don't even know what to say.
And that when he's cryingover the Italian dinner about this girl
that he was also talking to, that he feelshe really had a connection with.

(24:46):
Do I really believe that it wasthat intense of a connection?
Not really.
I mean, he was hooking up with Paigeand like,
still kind of like playing things outwith Paige at the same time.
But do I think that he turned his,like, taxi light on, you know, as we say.
And then he really thoughtthat this girl was the girl.
Yeah.
And I think she's like, so down to earth.

(25:08):
And of course she's gorgeousand she's a model, but she's totally
approachable looking,which gives us all hope.
Okay.
Gives us all hope that maybewe could have a shot with Andrea one day
if it doesn't work out.
And I'm sure it hasn't worked out.Let's see.
Is he still with her?
What's where Lexi is.
He's still with Lexi.
Let's see. Oh!

(25:29):
Oh my God, they got married.
Damn.
Look at people magazine'sgot it right here.
And he grew his hair.
Oh, my God, he looks so Italian.
They got married in Italy June 13th, 2024.
That's two days after my birthday.I love that for them.
It's stunning.
Everyone's there, Danielle'sthere, Kyle's there, Karl's there.

(25:50):
They're all there.
There's Italian wedding fireworks. Wow.
Oh, my. I'm so happy for them.
I guess she was the one.
He was.
He knew it.
Damn. I guessmaybe we don't have a shot with Andrea.
It doesn't give us any hope.
That's okay.
Okay. So. Maya.
Maya comes into the house.
Andrea calls her another name.

(26:10):
I think Sierra's name.
And then we have this really awesomeconversation about what
it's like to be a person of color.
You know, in an arealike the Hamptons or Montauk.
Maya, you know, it'san emotional conversation, but, like,
it really helped me see Maya's world,
a world we hadn't been introduced yet to.

(26:33):
And it was, you know,during the Black Lives Matter movement.
So it was very timely and appropriate.
It didn't feel even though the timingwas perfect, it didn't feel produced.
And Maya came offso authentic and made me really like her.
And then she developsa bit of a relationship with Karl.
They're both,you know, lower vibration, lower energy

(26:56):
people, especially now that Karl's sober.
And so I think they have some real talks.
And then when Lindsey and Karlget back together again,
drunk Lindsey in a car in LA,
freaks out on Maya and accuses herof coming on to her boyfriend.
So typical drunk Lindsey.
It's unfortunate
because I really think Lindsey
got in the way of Maya and Karl havinglike a good friendship in the house,

(27:19):
and I'm sure it'll come back aroundand they're going to be good or whatever,
but there's always going to be a distancebecause of the Lindsey thing.
And let's hope for future seasons.
Like maybe that comes back around.
I don't want Maya to be with Karl.
Don't get me wrong, there's no wayI want Maya to be with Karl.
But I do think it's really sweetthat they had this, like, bond

(27:40):
and they could talk about stuffand maybe smoke some part together,
because we love that.
Let's go to
West, one of our newest boys in the house.
He comes in and he charms the pants offall of us.
I immediately was like,oh, yeah, this guy is cool.
And now I have the biggest damn checkbecause of the whole Sierra thing.

(28:01):
I thought he was showing uplike he was playing with intention, and
he was just a dog trying to chase a boneand had some stamina.
He was not afraid to, like, gothe distance and to try to sleep with her.
But Sierra was right,and she needs to trust her gut and her
intuition, because a woman's gutand intuition is part of our super power.
We are such magical creatures,and Sierra's

(28:24):
gut and intuition was damnwell right about West.
He just wanted to get a piece,and then he wanted to move on.
And the second he got into the limelightof summer House and he went back
to New York City, and all these womenwere finding him at the bar after work.
If he's going to work still, I'm sure he'sprobably still working for a bar stool
or something.

(28:45):
It's a great place for him.
He's going to the bar and they were like,
oh my God, is that West from Summer House?
I watched you on the show and he gotwith like the hottest girl, Sierra.
Now every woman wants to get with West,and he is ultimately this douchey frat boy
who's, you know,probably wearing bandanas under his hat
and, like,rocking like urban street wear it.

(29:09):
And just being this, like, party
boy guy and trying to play it cool.
You know, I just
I've got the biggest egg for
West and I'm going to probably loathe himthe entire next season.
And I just hopeSierra takes her rage out on him.
You know, I definitely see her carryinga little bit of a chip on his shoulder,

(29:30):
and trader's like just an emotionalsomething that she's working through.
And I think it's still because of West,because she went right from that season
into shooting traders.
But, God, I'm just ready for us allto collectively hate West for a summer.
And then I'm surehe'll win us back over again,
because that's the kind of like toxic manhe is.

(29:51):
You'll find some way to charm us.
I hate that,
okay.
Jesse Solomon, I think it's so funnywhen they bring these guys in
and they're like, oh, template imageslike younger images of each other.
They did the same thing on Southern Charmwhen they brought Austin in.
She hated it because she was like,this is the new me.
Is this the younger model,the newer model of me?

(30:13):
And she gave Austin a hell of a hard time.
So Jesse Solomon comes in.
He's basically the new Carl.
I don't think he had any ability to givethat any attention or feel insecure
about it, because he was so busy, liketrying to diffuse his fights with Lindsay.
But Jesse comes inand we he shares his story of cancer

(30:35):
scares and singing jazz music,and he's nice.
Okay, but I still don't thinkI'd be that into it.
I mean, I don't like menthat sing or serenade you.
Maybe that's a male problem.
It makes me uncomfortable.
So when Jesse's, like, standing up andsinging a song in the restaurant, it's.

(30:55):
It just. It's not for me.
But that's fine.It could be for somebody else.
You guys can have him. He's still.
He wears white pants,too. And loafers too.
I just I'm not into it at all.
And he is.
He's another tall New York City fuckboywho just walks into a bar and women
throw themselves at himbecause he's got white
teeth and he's over six two,I, I don't know, I never understood it.
I never understand the women thatchase men because of a based on a height.

(31:18):
But I'm more of an intellectual girlanyway.
Okay.
So let's go into, Danielle'sboyfriend were introduced to Robert.
He's a chef, and that doesn't last long.
I mean, chefs work every night.They're always in the kitchen.
I work in restaurants, too.
And, like,
these guys are all divorced and separated,you know, they never see their families.
There's no way they can maintaina relationship working in a kitchen

(31:39):
five or more days a week. It's true.
Most people work 9 to 5,so it's not a surprise
that their relationship doesn't work outand Danielle can't deal with it.
I was kind of surprised.
I thought in the beginningthat Robert was like,
on a course to be like a personal chefand like, especially with the exposure
he had doing the food
for some of these partiesthat they were having, it looked great.
I was kind of surprisedhe didn't go for his own

(32:00):
independent private chef business,where he could
probably, like, make his own hours or workjust during the day, whatever.
He made his choicesand he took his opportunities and blah.
We've got Chris.
He's the ex-Marine.
One of the guys that came in for,you know, 1
or 2 seasons, I can't even remember.

(32:21):
He's so weird and awkward.
He is just another one of these guysthat's just, like, kind of.
They're all kind of icky and weird,
wasn't it?
Wasn't being on him.
Jules. Oh, my God.
This season with Jules and Jordan.
Okay,
I liked Jules.

(32:42):
She was so sweet and so cute.
And she just loved Paige.
And, like, Paige was an icon to her.
And sure,she fangirl out a little bit, but, like,
we all have had a relationshipwith a friend
where either were the fan girland have like the girl crush, or they do
and it's cuteand it's it's totally a girl thing.
And I think that, like some of the othergirls were a little like, jealous of it.

(33:05):
And because Paige respondedpretty positively to it.
And I think Paige likes that attentionbecause Paige puts effort into her
looks and like someone like Julesreally appreciated it.
And it kind of bummed me outthat Carl was such a dick
about the whole Jules and Jordan thing,especially because we all know
Jordan was the weirdo.
Okay,I looked up his Instagram the other day

(33:27):
and he has like a ski accountand he's like just
his Instagrams, all his skiing.
And I was like,honestly, Stan the Mountain Jordan because
he's toxic and weird.
So then we have the work as sisters.
One of them's moving away.
One of them, one of them's staying inultra messy because she's losing her twin.
And I just, I, I love the twins.
I think we need twins to come back.

(33:49):
We need more twins because twinshave these really cool relationships,
and they have this.
And there's always some level of toxicityto other too close.
Or they fight with each otherover the same guy or whatever.
So I think Summer House needs twinsnext season.
Let's bring some more twins in.
Maybe dude twins. That'd be kind of cool.
We have Steven.

(34:09):
I really liked Steven, and I'm kind ofbummed Steven didn't come back.
Maybe he didn't come back becausethe work is girls didn't come back.
Maybe he didn't come backbecause, you know, he got a hot dude
in another country, or he movedor I don't know why he didn't come back.
I know the T is on that.
Probably worth googling.
Everett seemed so sweet, though.
Like when Lindsay.
Let's go through Lindsay'sboyfriends, Everett and Steven

(34:33):
from the pandemic season.
Both seemed really supportiveand like they wanted
to give Lindsay what she wanted.
But they didn't do it exactlyhow she wanted, so I felt bad for them.
You know, I do think that Stevenwas afraid to talk to her about stuff
and make things work,and I hated his dinner.

(34:54):
Lindsay was right.
The dinner he did inthe backyard was ugly,
and his, like, lit up thing on the lawn.
I know the gesture he was trying to make,but I didn't like it either.
Okay, and that's okay.
Lindsay can say thingsaren't tasteful, I, I agree,
but I
do think that Steve, that Everetthad, like, the right energy

(35:14):
and he was serious about herand this timeline.
And I think if
she could have just sat back a little bitand enjoyed it instead of, like,
getting drunk and fighting with himabout things like the alcohol
is really a problem for her.
And I think that's why when she was likesober for a little bit with Karl, that it
like was going so well, especially likein New York and in that lifestyle for them

(35:36):
it was going well because when she getsdrunk, that's when it all goes down.
That's when all the fighting starts.
So that was a really big problem for herwith Everett and Steven.
And just her way of interpretingwhat they're saying to her
and how and, and like,if they're car rides or whatever,
she would misinterpret things
or take their tone wrongand that would start a fight.

(35:57):
She did it with Karl, too.Alcohol is a big, big problem.
Des comes in for Hannah, and does.
And Hannah bang all over the house andKyle and Amanda's bathroom and whatever.
And it was a total retaliation. Okay.
And then they got married, like,so fast. Whirlwind.
They're still together. Two comics,so maybe it works.

(36:18):
I don't know, I don't really have two.
How to take on des.
Oh my God, thoughsomething I forgot to mention.
How much do I love when Stassi Schroedermakes an appearance on Summer House?
I know it happens.
First thing in the pilot I get,
I turned it onand I was like, stasis here in the pilot.
What the hell with Kyle?
And Kyle,of course, is drunk and blowing it.

(36:39):
Of course I loved it.
And then they came back later with, like,
Katie and Tom Schwartz to make Amanda feelbetter about the cheating thing.
That was a whole.
That was a really interesting,produced moment,
but I loved seeing Katie Maloneyand Tom Schwartz on that show.
Summer House is great.
It's brilliant and the peoplethey bring through brilliant.
I really am curious,and I would love to get some insight on

(36:59):
who the people arethat they bring in to the parties.
Are these like background peopleand like extras that they hire?
Who are these people?
But I love Summer
House,and so I guess I'll just leave it at that.
And the rewatch was great,and I'm ready for the new season.
And if you haven't rewatched it lately,I recommend you do.

(37:20):
It'll take up, you know, just play it
nonstop for two weeks like I didcleaning the house, working whatever.
It's in the background. It's always on.
It felt productive.

(37:43):
Next.
I think it's really, really importantthat I jump
into The Real Housewives of Beverly Hillsand where we are at with that show.
So if you weren't caught up,
spoiler alert I'm going to talkfor the last two episodes,
especially the last episode, butthe last two episodes that we just saw,
so jumping into it,there's this confessional

(38:06):
in the second last episode herethat Kyle gives where I feel like
I know exactly where she actually stands,and I'm going to play it for you.
I don't know what goes on behind closeddoors.
I always saw Dory as wearing the pants,and I wasn't sure.
So it's hard for me to visualize that.

(38:28):
Diana is really taken advantageof this moment, but
she's a vampire who figures,and he's going to devote himself.
I'm just saying, I'm nervous.
I need to talk about it because
this really bothered me.
I Kyle has clearly picked her side,
and it is with pique to make a statementlike that in the confessional

(38:51):
and basically take PK's sideand it be like, I don't know where this is
coming from.
I've never seen itlike she is not team Dory
and she wasn't team Dorywhen we saw that text
message, it clearly,
it clearly is referring to their divorce.
She sent it on the day of the divorceand this is what the message said.

(39:13):
I know you have a lot of friends,but I am also one.
And here, if you need me.
I've never repeated anythingyou have shared with me
and never would in parentheses.
Meaning you can trust me always.
End parentheses will keep sending youmemes and won't forget laughing emojis.

(39:34):
And I'm not going to harbor on this.
But if direct sentthat message to Mauricio,
can you imaginehow Kyle would have reacted?
It is absolutely alludingto talking about the divorce.
She sent it on the day of the divorce,
and she is trying to maintain herrelationship with P.K.,
and I think I know why
my hot take, in my opinionand my guesstimate

(39:58):
on why she wants to maintainthis relationship with PK is one
he's usually been ableto maintain a relationship with him
amidst fights with Dory,because maybe they're doing a little of it
for the show, or having differencesare being at odds for the show,
and they're able to separate it.
Especially someone like Kylewho's been on the show forever.
But I think that PK

(40:21):
is her gateway to Mauricio,
and I think PK and Mauriciogo out a lot together,
and we hear about themcoming back home together.
And maybe PK is talking about Doryto Mauricio and Kyle
at the end of the night or something,and then PK would tell Dory
when he got homethat they were talking about it.

(40:41):
So she was even aware.
But I think that PK
might be somebodythat gets back to Kyle's messages
or DMs or texts on a late night,if she's wondering
where her ex-husband is, or in the past,where her husband is,
if he's out partying or socializingfor his industry, or whatever reason.

(41:03):
And so I think PKhas been kind of like a gateway to her
staying connected with Moe when hemaybe isn't staying connected with her.
And so I think there's something there andthere's something to that relationship.
And I hate that she talks so muchabout being like a sister to PK.
I don't know that feel.
I don't like that that feelsthere's an icky weirdness about that.

(41:26):
So that leads me to say that I think Bose
is like the best friend,and I and I love Dory.
I've always like to read.I don't care if she talks a lot.
I love detail, and I would sitand would be happy
to listen to Yammer on about something.
So I get thatBose likes to listen to Dory,
and I'm really happythat she has her this season,
because I'm really I'd be worriedabout where she would be

(41:48):
in all amidst all of this,because all these other cast members
are just so damn selfishand that's why they make great TV.
All of these housewives of BeverlyHills are all so worried about themselves
that your storyline has to mergewith their storyline
for you to have that ally, you know,that leads me to roll into Sutton

(42:10):
calling up Garcelle and being like,why does Kyle want to go to dinner
the night before?
We all go out to Garcelle, beach House,
and it's likeshe wants to rally the troops.
And you know,that's literally what she was doing.
And it was so transparent.
And I love that Sutton's ego gets in thereand she's like, well,
I'm not kissing the ring.

(42:31):
You know?
I'm not falling into line of the Queen.
I'm so happy she did have that ego.
And take that stand.
This is why it makes great TV.
And then she shows up at Arden,
which, by the way,let me as an la like an Angelino.
Let me tell you a little bit about some ofthese places that they choose to go to.
So Arden is in West Hollywoodand it's got a little coffee

(42:53):
shop attached to it,which is where my experience is.
I don't know anyonethat's eating at Arden,
and it is cute and it's full of the fakeflowers and it's a total Instagram spot,
but I don't know anyone that's eat thereand I haven't heard any reviews on it.
The Parking's impossible.
And the latte that I gotmy personal latte was below average.
So they go there.

(43:14):
Sutton calls her out and is like,
you know, why are we here?
And then, you know, Kyle
does not expect Sutton to come in so hot.
I think she thought it would be
a little bitmore like Housewives 101 here and, like,
rally the troops and let them knowthat, like, she's going to handle it
with Dorit, like, I guessapologize for storming out or whatever.

(43:36):
And Sutton's pissed.
And I love that Sutton's pissed.
Sutton's pissednot only because she doesn't
want to kiss the ring,but also because last season, Kyle
gave her such a hard time about herstorming out of conversations
and said, you have to.
You have to basically stay on camera.
You have to record this stuff.
We keep getting together to do it,and then you keep leaving.

(43:57):
And that's essentiallywhat happened at Boses little
like backyardspa, healing party, same thing.
You know, that they're getting togetherto film
the scene, they're getting together forthe conflict and ideally the resolution.
And she's storming out.
So Sutton's pissed that, you know, Kylethinks she's above it and she's special.
And she does have to follow her own rulesthat she enforces.

(44:17):
So I love that she's.
But but what Sutton does is she's horrible
at actually communicating how she feelsand what she needs from somebody.
So then she, like, is really passiveaggressive and makes Kyle guess at what.
She wants her to apologize for.
And Kyle's really tryingbecause Kyle does want them in her corner

(44:39):
because she doesn't know what to expect.
Going to GarcelleBeach House the next day.
And so Kyle's trying to guessabout what she should be apologizing for.
And and she's not a mind reader.
And Sutton wants something very specific,so it's not going
the way she wants to go.
And then Kyle ends up being like,I apologize for everything, you know,
which, of course, does not satiateSutton's thirst

(45:01):
for her apology that she wants from Kyleand that she wants to be
seen as an equal from Kyle.
So let's
leave this into and jump forwardto all the women meeting the next day.
And this is the most recent episode.
You know, I, I don't think I
segue that, but Derek comes inand she tells the group that, like her

(45:25):
son, Jagger asked if they're divorcedand, God, that's got to be crushing.
And that's got to be so hard
because we've already heardthat they're trying to just keep it
a secret, because there arethe kids are already
used to PK spending a bunch of timein London and not at home.
And, you know, maybe they'rea little older to to talk about it.
I also think that Dorit thinks

(45:46):
that this could blow overand she could get back with PK.
I don't think she's as angry at PKas she's going to become.
I think she's still processing it,and she still thinks that
maybe, like in his healing,he'll come around because it's a catch.
Okay, PK is an old man with wrinkly handsand no money, and to read is a catch.

(46:08):
And she's gorgeousand she's got great taste.
And not always.
I mean, her reunion look, last season,the Red Lake Nun outfit, wasn't it?
But she'll take a risk.
And she's just beautiful and way betterthan PK and the mother of his children.
And I'm sure she's hopinghe'll come around.
And it's hard when she has to havea discussion like that with Jagger.

(46:29):
And then here comes Sutton
interruptswith a I just want to put it out there
that Garcelle doesn't want us to fight,like literally the worst timing ever.
And then she's trying to rush them outthe door because I'm sure they're late.
I'm sure she was the last to walkin that door.
I'm sure she was like an houror two hours late.
They should just make her call time like

(46:49):
two hours early.
I'm sure they do something like that.
But anyway, Sutton butts in.
She and Erica's like, have some tact.
Sutton and Erica's right.
I agree with her.
What's crazy about this showwith the Housewives now?
Beverly Hills is like two of themlive in Beverly Hills.
And like Garcelle, lives in Northridge,which is, like, north of the Valley.

(47:11):
It's like in the Valley, but it's like,
you know, an hourand a half from Beverly Hills.
It's they're all over the place.
Kyle and Erica live in Encino,which is like,
you know, at least an hourfrom Beverly Hills.
I'm in the valley.
And so that's not it'smaybe 20, 25 minutes from me, but it's,

(47:32):
They're not none of them are in BeverlyHills anymore, which is hilarious.
But Encino, you can buy a mansion and youcan have a nice sized yard with it still.
So I think a lot of the money'smoving out in that direction,
because unless you're buying somethingthat's pre-established in Beverly
Hills, you know, you're not going to getthat big of a property.
So that's what they're looking for.
They move out to places like Encino.

(47:53):
But we're all meeting up to driveall the way out to Ventura County,
which is north of Malibu.
And if you were following the wildfiresand all that stuff, like
Ventura County North, north, north,it's like a good hour
and a half, maybe even two hoursdrive to get to Ventura.
And it is cute and it is in between SantaBarbara and Malibu.

(48:14):
And, it's it's one of the few placeson the coastline in this area
where you could probably buy property,with an ocean view for under 5 million.
So then we go to the beach house.
Garcelle beach House is beautiful.
And they have this conversation.
Kyle pulls to read.
They grab a drink at the barand they go sit and talk.

(48:35):
And they're both really calm.
And this is the mostproductive conversation that they've had.
Leads it off bysaying like, do you want to repair things?
I want to repair things and like,
I still wish that Dory
was able to articulate
what we've put together like,
and I wish Kyle would apologizeand take accountability, and I shouldn't.

(48:59):
She's never been that person.
I mean, it's so frustratingand I honestly, I think that Dory deserves
better.
Dory told her a year earlierthat they might be separated
and they're having troubleand all this stuff.
The day that's divorced,Kyle should be calling her
and see if she can do anything.
She should be not sending messagesof support to the ex-husband
saying she's a confidante.

(49:19):
She basically says in this text, I'ma confidant for you.
I won't tell anyone what you tell me.
And she's.
And Kyle's trying to lean into itand be like, yeah, it's production.
It's not fucking production.
And she's so smart to say that too,because it is a cop out.
It's not. She's opening the door.
So like,do you want to vent about to read.

(49:40):
I'm here
I know Dory, we've vented about her beforeand I've never told anyone before.
So you can vent to me now.
And that's what she's doing.
And she doesn't own up to it.
And I think that's going to leave
a scar on their relationshipgoing into like the reunion.
If this patches of things overfor the rest of the season, it's
it's going to rip the scabopen at the reunion.

(50:02):
So Dory tries to articulate that.
And I just wish that Dory said
something like,imagine I sent this text to Mauricio,
offering myself as a confidante,especially as a viewer
and someone on the internetthat knows about all the tabloids,
like saying,oh my God, are Mauricio sneaking around?
And like, well, after her home was robbedand they had a group hug

(50:23):
and she kissed his shoulder,everyone flew off the handle about that.
It was just so insane.
The fanfic was being writtenabout Dory and Mauricio
being an item, and honestly,that'd be a hot ticket.
Like at this point.The way Kyle's treated it.
I would love it for the show if Dory went
chasing Mauricio toxic as hell,I would love it for the show.

(50:46):
I'd be so into that and be like,guess what Kyle?
You want to have picture?
I'll take Mauricio. Imagine
that would win an Emmy.
That might be bigger than Sandoval.
I mean, especially if they snuck arounda little bit first
before they revealed it.
And then someone saw themand sniffed it out.
That'd be so great.
That'd be so great for the show.

(51:06):
So anyway, they're sitting on the beachand and, you know, I do believe Kyle, when
she said she thought she could get she,she could keep both friendships going.
I do I do believe that.
And I know earlierI talked about how Kyle I think uses PK
as like a direct lineto Mauricio sometimes
and like she'd rather have Mauriciogoing out and partying with PK

(51:28):
or spending time smokingweed at the house with PK instead of
with X instead of with the monstershe doesn't know.
I do think that's whyshe wants to keep this relationship alive,
and she does agree ultimately here to,you know, if she's like to read,
if you want me to do that,then I will stop talking to PK.
And then I love when to reach like,and if you were a girls girl,

(51:52):
like if he does tell you somethingin confidence, I do expect you to tell me.
And hell yeah, that's what the gossip.
That's what the T is all about.
Like I am all about the girl talk.
And and I love that there was thisgreat conversation on TikTok,
last year about how, like,gossip saves lives
and how women have evolvedgossiping and like.

(52:13):
Sure, I'm I'm sure some man labeled itwith a negative connotation,
but like, I think that stuff is,
like really important for womento share with each other.
And so I love it and I agree,and that's why
I think I'd be friends with Toriand I'd be friends
with both and these womenbecause I love Jared's been loyal.
She's been a loyal friend of Kyle'sfor a long time.
And something I was talking to my friendBri about.

(52:35):
Maybe we'll have her on the podcast soon,but something.
I was talking to my friend Briabout a bartender.
A friend of mine who loves Bravo is thatKyle has like a million friends, I think.
She sits and gabs on the phone all daywith all these different friends.
And we know last season
she lost one of her closest friendsbefore the whole Morgan thing,
and it was, like, really devastatingfor her to lose that person in her life.

(52:56):
And I just think she's got kind of like,I do an orbit
like a Saturn's rings,if you will, of friendships.
And there's like an A team,a B team, a C team, a D team, an E team.
And maybe like the D's and E's or peopleyou invite to your parties,
her big white partiesat stadiums, whatever.
And her C's are like distant relativesor people

(53:17):
that used to be really close friendsbut now have young kids.
And she hasn't heard from in a while.
I might see them once a year, and the beesare like the ladies on this show
and like,you know, ancillary friends maybe.
And then you have the A's,the people she calls every day,
the people she is like exposingto the drama of her life, her daughters.

(53:39):
And I think that, like, she's
got so many people revolving in therethat she can't keep tabs on.
If Dorit told her a year agothat things aren't going well with PK
and take it seriously,I don't think she gave it to thoughts.
I'm like, oh damn, that sucks.
Back to my problems with Mo.
Back to my maybe girl crushthat I'm gonna, you know, capitalize on,

(54:01):
in the Bravo verse and then say, please
don't use her name on the show.
Now, don't get me started on that.
Maybe we'll save that for another day.
My take on Kyle's, like, use of allthat stuff feels a little advantageous.
I'm not rushing anyone out of the closethere, but it's just like,
if you're going to shoot that music video,I'm with Garcelle.

(54:21):
If you're going to shoot that music videoand queer bad everybody,
then you better at least come out as bi,or you better at least like tell us you're
exploring something, but don't denyit and tell us not to use her name after.
Like people in your fan versehave probably gone and bought that album,
you know, that you were promoting anyway.

(54:43):
Well, that's the Real Housewivesof Beverly Hills.
That'swhere I'm at with the most recent episode,
and I'm so excitedfor next week's episode.
They tease this like trip and this yachtfrom hell and it looks good.
It looks good.
So I'm counting it downand we'll review it.
We'll talk about it. I just can't wait.
Everyone's yelling at Suttonand it's going to be good

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I can't wait.
I'm debating if I should just jump
right into traitorsbecause there's so much to talk about.
And I've already talked so muchabout Bravo here today.
Why not? Let's jump into traitors.
The most recent episode of traitors.
We've got all the traitorsrunning amok on each other.
Okay, we've got the finger.

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Guns are pointed.Rob's pointed at Danielle and Carolyn.
Danielle's pointing her finger.
Guns at Rob and Carolyn.
Carolyn's pointing her finger guns at Roband Danielle and it's been just insanity.
The traitor oath means nothing.
And Rob broke that seal.
And Rob's a scary guy.
I do believe that Rob has a,

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a set of rules that he went into this gameready to play, and I think that Rob's
set of rules were like,if anyone says my name, they're gone.
I'm going to align myselfwith the biggest idiots on this show
that pledged loyalty to me.
And that listen to everything I say.
And if he sticks to those two things,I do think he'll win the game.
I did see a little bit of his gameplay on Deal or No Deal Island,

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and he partnered up with this like,scrawny, nerdy
young guy from Boston,and we're both from Boston.
He basically just listened to everythingRob said.
He was a Rob superfanand just wanted anything
that anything that Rob said goes,and he didn't bring anything to the table.
He didn't win challenges.
He was scrawny and shitty,
running through the mud for thislike Chase challenge they did.

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So I mean, like that.
That's kind of Rob's gameplayand I do think he's got an ego,
but I do think he's smart and he's like,if anyone's throwing sense my way,
which Bobdid, Bob the drag queen on top of the hill
when they're doing the Easter,I'm calling it
the Easter Island Challengebecause they're these big Easter heads
that they had to, like,bring the bodies and the heads up. He,

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basically called attention to
the three new guysand Bob was being a loose cannon.
And that was a shot fired for Rob.
He didn't say my name, but he,
you know, casted gaze in my directionand he's super influential.
And I do think Rob tookinventory of Bob's allies.
He said, oh,he's got the Bambi eyed girls.

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Like all the lesbians.All the queers love him.
He's got, you know, the big brother,the big brother.
People love him. He's charming as hell.
The housewives love him. That's numbers.
And so Rob was like,I'm coming into a show like this.
I've done eight other shows.
I know the importanceof making a splash in TV.
That's why they chose him to be a traitor.Okay?

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They choose the traitors, in my opinion,based on
who has the experience to create good TV.
That's why the producers are picking them.
They're not going to pick someone
that's going to fly under the radar
and do nothing,unless they're going to be somebody
they intend to pair upwith another one of the traitors.
That's a very big voice.

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They're not going to go put, you know,who's who's sleeping through right now.
Derek was never going to be a traitor.
He's too quiet and calculated.
He's not going to be taken a big swing.
West would have been a great personto make a traitor on this season
because, like Rob, he'sgoing to be insane.
And he's going to, you know, he'snot afraid to take the first shot

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and throw balls to the wall.
I would have preferred Westas a traitor to rob.
I'm not a Rob fan.
I'm a Big West fan, though,so they jump into this turret
after Rob eliminates Bob the drag Queenat this heated round table.
And Danielle is petrified.
She's petrified because she, out of thefour of them, thought she had the power.

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Working with Bob the drag Queen.
And I think she undoubtedly trusted Bobthe drag Queen.
Now she feels threatenedbecause Rob could eliminate her next.
She doesn't know what Bobthe drag queen could have said or done,
or if he cast any kind of shadow on her.
And so now it feels like a race for themto eliminate each other.

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But what really confuses me is
why she goes for Caroline first.
Why does she not?
Is it because they're both survivor alumand she doesn't trust?
Like she thinks that like, big
brothers are going to work togetherso survivors must work together?
Why doesn't she?
And she does.
Go talk to Caroline about it.
Vaguely, but she.

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But her actions are louder than her words,and she she
she tells usshe's going to shoot for Caroline first,
and she goes and talks to Britneyand she goes, you know what I mean?
And these people, of course,get back to Caroline,
which is why we have them all pointingfinger guns at each other.
And I just
I don't know if that's like an insecurityof Danielle's to think that, like, she's

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more confident going after another womanthan going after this man,
or if it's like she really thinksthat Rob has his talons into the other
faithfuls so deep that she doesn'tstand a chance eliminating him.
Even though Dylan's already on the scent,like people are already on his scent.
When West finishes
that one episode and is, like, in the roomand he doesn't even say it,

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he he puts the worm on the damn hookand lures it out, and he's like,
how do you know 100% certaintythat someone's a traitor?
And Tom Sandoval, you guys.
And Tom Sandoval is like,if you're a traitor and it's like,
it was so good.
It was so good.

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Side tangent I hate Iver.
I think he's the worst faithful.
I want him out.I can't believe I'm saying this.
I love Tom Sandoval.
He's such a baboon.
I want him to go all the way to the end.
I want Tom Sandoval to be standing thereat the end with all the traitors
and just be confounded, not know whatto do about the ending and who to trust.

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And I think it's going to be so funny,
to watch him lose on that big a scale.
I really want to watch it.
I really wanted to go to the end.
And who do I think is going to shootfor who first?
I mean,this group of faithfuls are really stupid.
I think they had Rob lined up on a silverplatter.

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Derek made such a great argumentto get Rob out
and they still turned on himand voted out West, and it was just.
It was really silly.
And I can't believe that Brittanyis siding with Rob and not with Derek.
I know Derekthinks that Brittany is a traitor.

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I think at the end of the day, you got to
you got to look at your resourcesin a group like this.
And if you have an alumni connection,
like a Big Brother alumni connection,you got to use it.
You got to keep that relationship alive.
Like Caroline, Carolineis the only one in this game that can play
this strategy of like, not reallyhaving solid alliances with anybody

(01:02:00):
because she just comes offlike such a scatterbrain,
like such an eclectic personthat and it's strategy.
I think she's even more crazyin real life, and she's really
pulling it back on the showand refining it.
But like,
it confounds
people and people are confused by it

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and they're they're like,she's not a threat.
She's barely got her head on her neck.
Her eyes are circling around all the time.
Her lip, her. She's biting her hands.
Her lips are moving.She's. It's just craziness.
I think Caroline's going to survivethe longest out of the group.
I do think that there's going to bean incredible showdown
between Rob and Danielle.
I don't think Rob's afraidto lose this season of traitors.

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I think he's willing to goand make these big, big, bold,
sweeping movementsand big battles in the room
because it's going to get him onmore shows and it's going to get him cast
on whatever future seasonsmaybe they bring him on.
Is a huge threat for seasonfive of traitor.
Like, you know what I mean?
This guy has built a careerlike a Johnny Bananas, like a Wes

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on the back of creatinggreat reality television.
And I don't think he's quittinganytime soon.
It's taken him aroundthe world, has gotten
some great opportunities,and he keeps getting paychecks.
If you're working on traitorsthis season, you're taking home
a paycheckfor the entire two weeks of production.
Even if you're Wellesand you get eliminated first,

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they all get the same production paycheck,so it would really suck
if you stressed your balls outand you didn't, like,
gain a great fan base
and you were on the showfor ten out of the 14 days because
you're going to make the same amountas the guy that was eliminated first.
But, you know,
there's other benefitsto being on these shows,
like building your fan base and like,

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you know,getting your story out to audiences
if you have a positive messageor whatever.
So there's been, you know, whatever.
Also, it's stressful.
And if you're a traitor,the days are long.
The production days are long.
You're waking up in the morning for thosebreakfasts, you're doing your challenges,
you're doing your discussions, andthen you're doing your roundtable fights.
And then if you're a traitor,you have to go to the turret

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and have that whole deliberationand record all that stuff, too.
That's a really long day.
And I'm impressed that Alan, the host ofthe show, is there for all of it.
That's a lot of work.
So flowers to him. I really want Sierra.
Speaking of Summer House, Sierra definedher voice and just like, go for it.

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I could see she did not like that.
West threatenedall of them at the Round Table
when West was like,if you vote for me, I'm coming for you.
That sounded like a traitor.
But West makes great TV and he's goingto make a big generalizing statement,
and he's flipped people offon the challenge before he was eliminated.
And like, all that stuff makes uswant to see him again.

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Makes us want to believe in a rivalrywith him.
And X, you know, to bring them both backfor another season of the challenge.
That's how the challenge is.
So if you haven't watched the challenge,the rivalries are a big deal.
They've had whole seasonsthat are based on rivals.
And they'll bring their arch nemesis backor their ex back,
and it'll be all about like either thempairing up or combating each other
and eliminating each other.

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And West has beenone of these guys that done
that really well from the get go.
And that's why it's such a long career.
One of the longest, you know,besides the Johnny Bananas
from last seasonon, traitors that can keep it all going.
So I, I love it.
So I'm rooting for Tom Sandoval.I can't believe it.
Don't tell any of the girls.Don't tell Ariana.
Don't tell,don't tell any of my Vanderpump girls.

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Don't tell Katie. Don't tell.
I'm going to something about hera bison sandwiches I already did.
They're awesome.If you're in LA, go try it.
I took my parents there, at Christmas,and we had a great time.
They're huge. Sandwiches are huge.
Probably split a sandwich.
But I'm
rooting for Tom on traitorsbecause he's a baboon, and it's hilarious.

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And I just love Mr. Bean.
I love the Pink Panther.
I love any scenario where this, like, this
clueless guy is dropped into the worldand we watch him Babylon, through it.
And I'm very much getting that with TomSandoval on this season of traitors.
Well that's everything.
This meeting of Bravo HollyoaksAnonymous is adjourned.
Until next time, keep your champagne coldand your taglines iconic.