MTV’s The Hills: A Bravoholics x Meet My Friends Crossover Episode!

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Welcome to Meet My Friends, the podcast.

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Once Upon a Time in Los Angeles,
under the glow of string lights,lip gloss, and passive aggressive lunges.
There was a show that defined an entireera of drama and friendship.
This week on Meet My Friends,we continue Pride Month
with my favorite colorful Scorpio,Charlie Rojas, a man who can't decide

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if he wants to be Lauren Conrador be in her bisexual problems.
Charlie joins me for a deep dive
into the world of MTV'sThe Hills, the boys, the girls,
the feuds, the friendshipsand of course, the eternal debate.
LC or Heidi?
Spoiler alert neither of them was perfectexcept Whitney.

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Whitney.
Port was perfect
with her true connection, queer identity,
and why Ledoux should probablybe a historical landmark.
Welcome back to another episode of Meet
My Friends.

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There you go.
Okay. Great.
No. So we saw
we actually were at well we went anddid like a bunch of old Hollywood spots.
But we were at Sunset Towerat the end of the night,
and we saw Sean Tay there, and I was like,
this is so glamorous,seeing our hot model friends like Sean
at the Sunset Tower on a Friday night,I'm like, this is L.A., this is the hills.
This is the bro. What did you get at most?
And, Frank, I'm kind of curious.

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The we all shared a bunch of things.
We got the chicken parm,we got the Caesar salad.
We got, I got escargot,I got oysters on the half shell.
And then we just hada bunch of cocktails, and I tried to.
Grasshopper for the first time down.
What did you think?

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It was pretty good. I had it for dessert.
I think I get it again just becauseit's so green and so kitschy, dude.
Also, I hate that.
Like, harkeningback to your episode of eyes, I would be
mad and stalking the wall as wellif like if if I had to miss
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Hollywood forever, right?

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Dude, I was really pissed.
I was like, of coursethey're playing a bunch of repeat movies
this summer at the cemetery,and the one night
they're playingOnce Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I can't go because I bought ticketsfor a bowl show months in advance.
It's just the world I live in.
This is the luck I have.I have the greatest luck.
And then I also have,like, these shitty luck.

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There's no even Stephen.
There's no kill. Cheers.
Salute to that. Welcome.
Welcome to the podcast.
Wow, Charlie,is that how you want to be referred to?
Okay, great.
Charlie Rogers, I'm going to try and keepthis away from the mic.
Yeah.
Don't fuck it.
Don't fucking spill it either.
Be careful. No.
Hi. Thank you for having me.

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Happy pride, everybody.
Happy pride.
I feel like this is, like, going to end upbeing a.
I don't even know what you.
What do you call it in TV when two showsget together and they like crossover?
I think it's me. A crossover episodewith Bravo Hollyoaks.
Because laterwe're going to talk a bit about The Hills
and I feel like thatjust the audience loves it
and it was like one of the firstOG like reality scripted shows.

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Yeah,I was thinking about that earlier today
when, like in preparation for this,because I was like, because I feel like
the hills, Jersey shore and likeof course like, oh my god Jersey shore.
That's another show we can talk.
We should talk about that too.We should schedule. But yeah.
I feel like it's very much
like pioneers in terms of like reality TV.

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Yeah.
So that's how I'm like,of course we got to talk.
We got to talk about the hills.
Well, first
I want to talk about you, okay, I want toI want to introduce everybody to you.
Let them get to know you a little bit.
We worked together at the restaurant.
You're an artist in many facets.
Well, how do you like to refer to yourselfas a creative?
What do you call yourself?
I honestly don't because you sing,you paint,

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you model your hot little body,you act so L.A..
Hyphen hyphen hyphen hyphen hyphenhyphen hyphen.
You ever see Bretman rock? No.
He's like he.
Well, he's like, like he's, onlinepersonality, but he is like,
is femininerock actor, singer and model musician.
And he just says it all.
He says hyphens, everything,hyphens, everything.

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That's, you know, kind of I mean, that'swhat like being a creative is all about.
I feel like we just, like, bop around
whatever little creative heartwants to do that day, we do it.
What's your big three again.
Astrology.
Astrology.
Oh fuck I don't know I think I just, I,I never really looked into it.
Shut up. Yeah I thought you knew.

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Aren't you Scorpio. What are you.Yeah I'm a Scorpio. You're so.
But I feel like though
you're so, like sultry, dark, moody,broody little Scorpio.
Yeah.
I want to knowwhat your rising in your moon is.
Though I have a feeling you have like
some maybe like an Aquarius moonor something.
Dude, maybe I'll have to, like, definitelylook it up later and, like,
talk to you about it. Yeah.Next time you come.

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No that's my that's my homework.That's your homework.
Okay. Good.
How was your pride so far dude
I feel like me and Alexandrialike we kicked up Alexandria.
Friend of the pod. Yeah I
everybody you know
Alex of course you know, how could you forget her?
I just call her Alexandria because I.
I'm not sure if you ever seen that movieJosie the Pussycats.

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Like, 2001. Stop it.
Are you fucking with me right now?
It's like,favorite soundtrack of all time.
I have a actually.
Speaking of vinyls, you're lookingat my vinyl collection before we recorded.
I have a limited edition purpleleopard print vinyl of the soundtrack,
and it's one of my mostif there was a fire, it's coming with me
because I love that fucking soundtrack.

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I could sing you the whole soundtrackright now by her, bro.
I could fucking play Pretend to Be Niceon the guitar right now.
Oh my god, dude, letters to Cleoand I love that.
They weren't even three small words.
Three small words is like,might one of my go to karaoke songs, dude.
And I feel like that.
Going back to pioneering,
if you listen to Billie Eilish is like,I wish you were gay.
It's literally the chorusto, three small words

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because it's like there is,it took six whole hours, five whole days
for all those, for,
something, somethingfor all of your lies to come undone.
And then it took three words.
Wait. Took way too late.
Yeah. Just for me to be the one. It's.
Well, it's fucking countdown.Iconic, dude.
It's also like that songten things I Hate About.

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What's the song that came out last year?
That's like,
shit, let me.
I have to pull itup. I have to, dude, you guys.
Oh my god.
And also going back to back to the Lindsayand Charlie Law table.
141 oh my God.
Table 141.
Table 141 we'll talk about it sinceit's pride and it's like a gay thing.
Yeah, we can it's okay. Perfect segue.

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Be perfect segue. Pride.
So, I served in I served tablesin West Hollywood for a long time.
And, in doing that, there's
multiple opportunities where people, like,want to be introduced to other people.
So, like, guests will come in and be like,is that hot bartender single?
Is that server single?
So it's it's not a big deal at allto feel it out.

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I mean, people meet people all overand we are in hospitality.
Dude. That part.
So there was a guy sittingthat was at this table.
141 we call him 141 and it's called yeah.
Ten things I Hate About Youby Leah Kate you know, the song.
Your choice
or to trust you three you still got

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mommy issues
I, I, I love girl pop punk.
Don't get me started, bro.
I feel like Demi Lovato's, like,little era of, like, pop punk.
Like it doesn't get enough credit.It doesn't.
And I'm still here for it because she didthose new rerecordings last year.

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And I'm obsessed.
But wait, let's go back to 141really quick
because we'll just pop aroundso much. Dude.
141 he was really into you,and you guys ended up meeting up,
and it kind of had like a relationshipongoing, right?
Not so much anymore.
I feel like, just pretty much long story short,
we were working togetherone night and, backstory,

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the week that you introduced me to table
141 was the week of my birth.
My ex, his birthday.
So I was in the trenches,
and I told you when you came up to melike, hey, Charlie, are you single?
And I was like, fuck, is that?
Yeah. Like, I don't even know right now.
I don't even know where it all would be.
Like trying to get through shiftwithout crying.

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And then, after that, like,you introduced us
and then Christopher,
my sister in Christ, my brother in arms,
he went and like,was like a huge fucking wing man.
Like,if you like, literally just, like, started
the match, like Christopher was just like,Chris would be a great wingman.
He has a great way.

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I've never known Chris when he's singlebecause when I met him,
he was with John,who's literally probably his life partner.
Yeah.
So we'll probably never get to see himin this life form be single.
But I can only imaginewhat a little monster he is.
He did he have a whole phase because he
everyone wants to bite Chris's asswhen they see him.
Oh, same. And yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's yes yes.
But no I mean him single was very
like like he, he was very respectful.
Like he always kind of like.
That's something I always admire aboutChris is that he's like.
Like he always puts himself first.He always like.
Like he'll.
He won't sacrifice his own, like,

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mentality or like his, like, own moralsjust for, like, another person.
Like he's alwaysjust like speaking for himself.
For Jennifer Love and like, unifierand like, I want to be more like that.
But yeah, I know when him and John gottogether, I was like, really fucking kid.
They're really cute.
I can't wait to be at the wedding
if they don't invite me to the wedding,I'm going to be devastated.
If I'm not the best man or the maidof honor, I'm going to like the Austin.

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No pressure guys,you don't have to put me in the party.
But I need to be there.
And you don't put me at a shitty table.
We'll be at the coolkids table, the cool single kids table.
I'm going to be seated at the bar
and Charlie sits at the bar.
I'll sit at my.

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But no, go back to table 141.
He just, like, helped wrap it up.
And then we exchanged numbers and meand table 141, we ended up dating for
about a year and a half.
Wow. Yeah.
But like, his career kind took overand he just was too busy.
It just it kind of like, fizzled out, but,like, organically, but not like in,

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like a bad way.
We just kind of like,talk to over and like, hey, you know,
because if you ever get an emailfrom YouTube where it's saying,
like, hey,do you want to subscribe for like YouTube
premium or like, these are your analytics?
That's him.
Oh, really? Yeah. He's at YouTube.
Yeah, he's at YouTube.
He should help mewith my YouTube channel.
I'm sure everyone says, yeah.

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Whenever I get even to this day, I
if I ever get like, a hey,these are your new subscribers.
These are your new, like, issues.That stuff.
Yeah. And that's great.
That's a good job.
It's a fucking second.
Oh, we get paid well right now dude.
He right now for because he's a Gemini.
He's my Gemini guy.
He right now is backpackingthrough like, Spain or something right now

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because he went for his my friend Simon,who will be on this podcast at some point.
She's going to med
well because she's spending a monthin Paris in August, which I'm so jealous.
She's going to be literally likeEmily in Paris, but she's Simon and she's
going to she's also going for a weekendin Mallorca, which I didn't even know.
I've heard of my work.I've I've never seen it.
So yesterday I looked it up on TikTok,and now TikTok is just selling me my orca.

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And it looks so,so fucking pretty and so picture perfect.
I just like, want to scream.
I think I'm one to be awayfrom just booking the flight
and showing up on their vacationto my orca.
Watch MTV to be like a mental breakdown uplike I'm one mental
breakdown away from just buying a tripI just call it a bf.
Fucking bitcha bitch fit okay that's healthier.

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That sounds more short term. Yeah.
Well what else? Anything else?
So you saw him for a year and a half,and then what happened?
He's just too busy with work.Too busy with work? Yeah.
And then at that time,do you think it'll come back around?
Do you think you guys will hang out againor. No.
Is it kind of like dead? Dead?
No. We got we got togetherand I grounded around Valentine's Day.
We got, like, dinner,and we kind of just for Valentine's.

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Yeah.
And it was like,
maybe two weeks before me and my boyfriendwhen we became official.
Is he seeing anybody else?
Table 141.
Yeah. Right now he's like dating.
And it was so funnyI, I love him like I love table 141.
Yeah.
But he kind of like like he crashed
out, in the Jeep because like,when we got together and like where.

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And to me,I thought it was just like two homies.
Just like, getting togetherand, like, getting dinner and stuff.
But he was just like, I don't know.
Like I said, we're like, we're good.
We're friends and stuff.
And then, like, I don't even know,
you made a song about me and stuffand I'm like, you're fucking welcome.
Yeah. We.
So you wrote a song about a songabout him.
At what point in your relationship, like,what was he reacting to?
He just didn't know where we, like,left things off because, like,

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he thought that we were like to him.He thought we were friends.
But like me telling him, like, hey,
we should, like, definitely, like,hang out again. Like, just like, check up.
And I just see how, like,how you're doing.
Just like between friends.
Just kind of like,you know, whenever you don't see a friend
for, like, a couple months.
But he thought that I wanted moreand I was like, oh, no, dude,
I'm actively seeing someone I just like.
I missed your energy because between meand table 141, there was like maybe like a

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I don'twant to say like a ten year age gap.
Yeah.
Because like, you're a hotlittle young thing and he wants a piece.
Yeah.
And also he didn't know that.
Like I could be able to like,
keep my own, like, hold my own when itcame to like conversations about like,
Josie and the Pussycats and like,we love conversations about Josie
and the Pussycats and Myspaceand the Hills.

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Like he like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like,remember when Max took me to like, Mexico?
Yes. The first time. Yeah.
He was like, when I told him about it,he was like,
oh my God, you're like Lauren,but you're actually the girl
that actually went toyou actually went to Paris.
I was yeah, see,I was the girl that went to New York.
I like, was in a relationshipand got the job offer in New York City.

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And so I left my home country
and moved to New York City to do the job.
But that's what I know.
So that's why I like later we'll saywhich character we are from The Hills.
I have a question.
Oh, well, we say it, but I'm definitelynot Lauren because I went to Paris.
Oh, I think I kind of have a reboot.

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We'll get there.
We'll we'll get there, we'll get there,I get there, but yeah, so, so
but now you're seeing somebody.
Yeah.
So you're off the market right nowand and he's great.
Yeah. They're great. Yeah. Yeah.
You know I told him about you is like
I'll be like what time are you gonna goback to the apartment?
I was like, oh, I'm actually goingto go record a podcast, with Lindsay.
And he's like, wait, which one's Lindsay?
And I'm like,I'm confused. You with Alexandria?

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You're like, no. The girlthat was bugging out at the holiday party.
I told him, I don't want to say that,but I was like, yes, yeah.
I was like, guys, the girl, the one wherewe're at the house was going crazy.
I just hate there's something about me.
People listeningis that I don't like forced attention, and
I don't like things that feel inauthenticand like, weird holiday company party
where people are like in a groupchanting is not my vibe.

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It actually is like the complete opposite.
And it gives me really bad anxiety.
Like anythingwhere the mass is moving towards something
or cheering towards something,I go the other way like I'm not.
Yeah, I'm not rushing the stage.
I'm not cheering in a big groupor chanting like I'm at the back
or hiding in the bathroom.
In that case,I did try to hide in the bathroom a lot,

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and then one of the chefs was like,what are you doing in here?
I was like,oh, I'm just hanging out, you know?
And there and I was like,okay, this feels weird.
And then I found you and your guystanding at the bar, and I was like,
you guys, I need to stay with youbecause I'm bugging out.
I cannot I can't be nearall that that's going on right now.
Yeah.
And I was like,so glad that you're matching
my freak about that, because I was like,

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like bending his ear and just being like,I was like, this feels like super.
And on that day, this feels like,why the fuck are we chanting?
We don't chant like this.Yeah, like I don't read.
I don't like bleed corporate blue,you know, like, I'm not like I'm
not tattooing the company logo on my armlike I'm not.
I hate that shit.
No you can. No one cares. No one.
They don't care about you like that.

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Jobs don't care about you like that.
No. And I was like,you could give it to the next person.
Exactly.Yeah. And pass it on. The person on
I love.
Well, I was so excitedbecause we had a million things
we could talk about, but the one thingI think that really stuck out to us
was the hills.
Staring at the blank page.

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Before you open up the dirty window.
Let the sun illuminate the wordsthat you could not for.
Reaching for something in the distanceso close you can almost taste it.
Release your inhibitions.
Feel the rain on your skin.
No one else can feel it for you.

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Only you can let it.
No one else.
No one else can speakthe words on your lips.
Put your self in words.
Unspoken.
Live your life with eyes wide open.
Today is how your book begins.
The rest is still unwritten.
And. And I think that was likevery early on in our conversation

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because I feel like core memory,like top three memories with
you was like, I think we were both onbreak in the alley, and I was just like,
chain smoking.
No, weI think we were talking about the hills
and we were talking about, like, LagunaBeach and stuff.
Yes. Yeah.
And I was literally like,should we start with Laguna?
And you're like,no, let's talk about the Hills.
No, because I don'tI don't really watch Laguna.
Well, you're gonna we're going towhat if this goes well,
you're going to watch Laguna very muchbecause Steven from Laguna

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is going to be on the new traders season,which is something I cover on my reality
TV show podcast. Bravo, Horlicks.
Anonymous. Which crossover episode?
Hi, audience.
But let's start with the hill seasonone okay.
So young Elsie movesto LA from Orange County and
she moves in with Heidi.
Yes. At this apartment buildingthat's in La Brea.

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Yeah.
And every single girl that moves
that every single white girlthat moves to LA
from somewhere like in the Midwestor in my case, Canada,
who watch the show, doesa quick Google and finds the building.
So when I moved to LAand I was looking for an apartment,
you bet your bottom dollar.
I toured that buildingand I almost got an apartment in there.

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Yeah, because moving in with my boyfriend
at the time who was coming to L.A., we had done distance.
That's whyI said I went to New York for the job.
He went to Toronto and did his PhD.
And then we met.
We had we worked on itand we met no way to live together.
And so I was looking for apartmentsfor us to move in together.
And I went and toured that buildingand it was really nice.

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It's a really nice building.
And in the area of La Brea that it'sin, it's so central to everything.
You can walk
everywhere, the groves around the corner,everything's it's all there now.
There's an air plant around the corner,great restaurants.
It's so nice.
So I toured itand I was considering it for sure.
And then I didn't end up going with.
I found a better, way better option.

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This one right here.
No, the building that I moved to ended upbeing.
It's called the Windsor Lofts, and it'sacross the street from Universal Studios.
And it's literallylike living on a resort, like,
we, I got a balconythat looked at the pool, so like,
oh my God, the afternoonnaps on that balcony I'll never forget.
It was so nice.
Oh that's so just like yeahpeople playing in the pool or whatever.

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And there were so many mistressesand porn stars that lived there.
So everyone sitting by the poolwas gorgeous, of course,
because Vivid Entertainment was likearound the corner from there. Yeah.
And all of the actors at the universal lotput their mistresses
up across the streetand they'd park their cars in the garage,
like their extra sports cars,and then they would go visit their girl,

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just like a little, like, clocked out.
Yeah, yeah.
Low key. And like, one of the mistresses.
I think Anthony Anderson'smistress lived there.
You know Anthony Anderson from blackish.
Yeah.
He had a mistress that lived thereand the Hogan kids lived there.
Both of them, Brooke and the brotherthat got into the car wreck.

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I forget his name but he used to get his,
he was still street
racing at the time and he'd have detailerscome and like be cleaning his car
before races in the afternoonwhile I was out walking the dog
and Abby, what's her name?
Abigail. Dresden.
Yeah.
Abigail Dresden from little MissSunshine. Abby.
Our coworker.
No. Abigail Dresden.

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Breslin. Breslin.
Abigail Breslin lived there.
She was always outside chain smoking.
She used to call Burton the mayor becauseBurton would have to say hi to everybody.
She's like,oh, he's like the mayor. It was cute.
It was a good building.
Oh, you didn't have this little one,right? Yeah, right.
No, that's the one I did have.
Oh, Archie'sthe young one getting, getting.
So anyway, so I toured that buildingand that they lived in

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and considered living in there.
When I first moved to LA, I just didn'tsee Audrina just sunbathing outside.
No, they had moved on.
They were in probably biggerand better places at that point.
But anyway,so then they moved in together.
What did you likethe most about the first season?
Like what made you connect with the showwhen you started watching it?
I just love and

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I, I was just more drawn in with Lauren
because like at the time,I just like I was like, what, like 12, 13?
And I was like,just like, had a big crush on Lauren.
I also just admired how Lauren was likeand even throughout the whole series
until she ended up leaving,was that she always was in her bag
like she was going to schooland she would even, like sometimes

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like pull out of plans and be like,oh, sorry, I have homework.
So pursuinglike she had both going in tandem
of like going to schooland also pursuing like fashion.
Yeah.
And she had a really coolsocial life in LA.
She was like juggling.
She was juggling it all.
We all wanted it to be Lauren.
Yes. And we all were like searching.
Not for I, at least for me.I wasn't searching for a Heidi.

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I was searching for a Whitney to be like,oh, man.
Like I could like someone to vent towho is like,
also going through these thingswith me as well.
Yeah.
And Whitney always had a really calming,secure energy to like the fact
that they were both interns at Teen Vogueand like Lauren had that person.
I think a lot of us don't get that personwhen we go into a job.
So there's like a lot of insecurityand have to deal

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with like new workplace dynamicsthat you're like, not used to and stuff.
And I remember was it
did Heidi drop out of school firstor did Lauren drop out of school first?
Heidi. Dance?
Heidi Heidi is that girl, though.
She's like, I got a job.
I'm just going to drop out.
I don't want to jump too far ahead.
No, I think this was also season one.

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Yeah,because what I told my brother about this,
I told my brotherthat I was doing this podcast
because my brother was the onethat actually put me on to the hills.
Okay. How many siblings do you have?
Have to have an older brotherand an older sister?
Okay, I knew you had older siblings
because there was no wayat that young in age,
you were watching The Hillsjust by choice?
No, it's like they were watching it.
So you were watching it?
But I remember when the show was onand everything

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there on the cover of all these magazines,and they were like,
you know, they had so many brand deals.
Like,I think Lauren was with Keds for a minute.
She had Keds shoesand like they were doing like Maybelline
stuff before Lauren came out with her ownMarc like makeup line, which was a thing.
And I remember she was like my hair styleicon.

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Like, I would take pictures of LCto the hairdresser to get my hair
highlighted like and cut a certain waybecause I felt like we had the same,
like face structureand that was like the best look, you know?
So it was like iconic.
The show was a big deal. Yeah.
I don't know if I,
I could be fucking delusional, but I'mpretty sure Heidi had like a brand deal.

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I'm not sure with like Ciroc or something,but I remember like seeing her
like on a billboard with like a bottle
with a bottle of something,a bottle or something that makes sense.
Heidi is like such a club girl.
Yeah, because my brother, like,I like I said,
like my brother when I told him
that I was going to come here and do thisand I was like, dude, shout out to you.
Like all my knowledge is going to gointo like sign into some good use.
And he was like,oh, you do not want me on that because I,

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I'm still like mad at,Lauren's behalf about what Heidi did.
And I was like, oh, about the sexyno brother bear.
I was like, I'm pretty surewe're both talking about how Heidi snuck
into a party like she had a launch sneakerinto a party,
and like, Heidi was, like, sloshednext to the pool with, with Spencer.
Oh, really?

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Yeah. I was, like, early on. It was.It was first season, wasn't it?
When it was first season? No,but Heidi was the door girl
at the party?
No, it was Whitney.
Whitney was a door girl. And like like.
Oh, yeah. Uncomfortably.
And it was like a VogueTeen Vogue event or something.
And they came in, I remember,
and she said she couldn't get them inand they still showed up.
Yeah. And then, like,she uncomfortably like.

(25:48):
And let them in. Warren.
Lorneunfortunately, like, just like met Whitney
like maybe that week and was like, hey.
So my my roommate slash best friend,she's going to be coming in
with her boyfriend.
She literally just got the job.I remember that.
And Whitney was like, wait, wait,I have something to tell you.
So before this show came out,

(26:11):
Spencer and Brody were tryingto get a reality show off the ground.
Of course, Okay.It was called the Princess of Malibu.
And what's what's crazy is the lastrestaurant I worked at the bar back
there was in the pilot partyepisode that they had.
His name was Fleming,and he was like an old rocker.

(26:31):
And he used to hang out and partywith those guys,
and I was like, yo,that makes so much sense.
So before The Hills started,they had shot six episodes of this series
called The Princes of Malibuwith Spencer and Brody.
No. They privately shot itand then wanted to sell it to MTV.

(26:51):
That's what they were doing.
And so, it obviously
didn't work out,but we can still find the episodes.
And they, ended up getting
hearing about the Hills shootingand allegedly, that's when Spencer
started pursuing and when he met Heidi,then they started pursuing her.
So there was a lot of talk about

(27:13):
like if it was an authenticI now believe they're still together.
They have kids.
Like, I really dothink they're a match made in heaven.
In a weird way. Like there.
But I still think that maybe the,the initial thing
was kind of rom com like his,maybe his motives were different.
I just want to ask you, I was like,would you say that like Spencer pursuing

(27:35):
Heidi was like,
let me get with her to get on the showcloud chase her essentially.
I honestly think that Spencer probablywould have tried to get Brody with, like,
more fictitious lead than himgetting involved in the storyline,
because Spencer's energy from knowing himall these years, at this point,
when I say that, I mean, like inpop culture, he does podcasts I listen to,

(27:58):
like he's often appearing on Juicy Scoopwith Heather McDonald and stuff like that.
And like,I've consumed his Snapchat stuff,
like I've been following his careersince the show,
knowing that all these yearshe's much more of a manager style.
So I could see him like, being like,no, Brody, man, you got to get with LC.
You can do it.
And then we'll be on the show.
Like, I could see him being that guy,as opposed to him being like,

(28:21):
I'm going to get with, LC or Heidi.
Like, I can't see him choosing that.
Yeah, but I do thinkthat they were the perfect age.
They ran in the perfect circles,they partied at the same clubs.
It all just made sense.
Like iteven if it there was like 30% or 50%
or even 90% of an inauthentic vibeto start it.
It all worked together because,I mean, I truly believe that, like Heidi

(28:44):
and Spencer, like,
of course,like they fell in love and like,
I wouldn't be surprised, like,if it did start out like as like
a cloud chasey like, let me get with herand then like, I can schmooze my way.
Yeah.
But even now, like, just seeing, like,how he's been like the biggest like.
Because with all due respect to Spencer,like, I'm pretty sure he has his own bag,
but I feel like Spencer is like a ThomasJefferson.

(29:07):
Like holding,holding the string to Heidi's kite.
Yeah.
Even now, like Benjamin Franklin,you mean.
Oh, Benjamin Franklin,
I was like Thomas Jefferson.
That not feel good? CauseI was like, wait, who's Tom?
I'm kidding.
You don't really know my politics,but Benjamin
Franklin was the guy with the kitethat everyone needs a Benjamin Franklin.
Yeah. Moral of the story? For the story.

(29:29):
No, but I agree, he's like,definitely her stand right now and like.
And I feel like because that has taken offin public opinion.
Loves it. He's almost inflating it more.
But that's great.
Like we need more people like that.
We need more men like that in the world.
Because, like, if you like, I'mpretty sure like, at least like 30
to 40% of his TikTokis like him pushing her music.

(29:52):
Yes, all of it.
All of it. The fire stuff is crazy. Yeah.
It's crazy.
And his TikTok took off before that, too.
And then he,had some drama on his TikTok.
Like he set it up to.
So if you set up your TikTok to sell.
You can't use certain music.
You can't use certain words
or images like you're even more limitedbecause you're retail sales.

(30:15):
So he fucked it up and didn't realizehe should have made a second account
to do that.Instead of using his primary account.
She's got all this drama he'sworking with, but he's hustling.
Yeah, that's for sure.
They're both hustlingand going back to like, season one.
Yeah, feel like her Heidi.
She she has this one iconic

(30:35):
like job interviewI don't think correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think it's like the latest onethat she did Bolthouse or something.
But she had literally had a job interview.
She had a job interview where she said,
I don't know about all these like,and analytics or whatever.
Like, I just want to like host parties,like I want to be like that party girl,

(30:56):
like iconic, iconic.
But there's no job titleunless it's like a it's event coordinator.
It's just giving privileged
rich kid in LA and I and it's it'sjust it's such a moment.
Like The Hills is such a beautiful Y2Kslice of life.
Lee Do there'sa great podcast called like,
I think it's calledthe Lay Do Podcast or something like that.
And it's they go,they talk about like that era

(31:19):
and the clubs and the people likeBrittany Perez, like Lindsay, everybody.
That was like getting into troublerunning around sunset Strip.
And it's kind of sadthat time is all done.
Like, I wish it was still alive.
You literally saw the wordsout of my mouth because, like, going back,
like like, harkening back to your episodewith Nicholas,
he, like, you guys were talking about,like, we and club hopping and stuff.

(31:41):
I'm listening to that while I'mmaking dinner and I'm like,
I know that we had like,this, like, planned out.
And I was like, dude, like,with all due respect to, like, we know,
I wish that we could go backto like those days of like going to LA do,
but like going to like because I rememberlike don't think the first club I went to
when I was like legally like allowed to gointo clubs, was one out. Yes.

(32:04):
Oh my god.
Iconic.
On the Sunset Strip,right near the Comedy Store.
It was standing there a long time,and they were known
for their celebrity appearances,which I noted watching the show.
Brody Jenner was a real trailblazerfor that.
He was doing it like before.
The Kardashian girls started doing it.
He was doing it beforeevery like he was the club appearance guy.

(32:26):
He came to my home fucking town in Canadaand went to like the Boom-Boom room
and did an appearanceone night at the Boom Boom Room.
And every girl in that in my city
was like fighting overwho was going to sleep with him.
They were all like, and imagine himgoing to clubs all over the country,
if not the continent, and all these womenthrowing themselves at him, dude, like,
I mean, even like my stylebecause he was so hot.

(32:48):
Even now, he was so hot.
Even now he can get it.
I was even, like, even to this day.
Like, I know that Lauren, like, she'smarried and I'm pretty sure like to Mr.
Right. Dude,when she got married to a guy with Mr.
Right, I was like,oh my God, she's so perfect.
Everything she does is perfect, dude.
I'm like considered like buyinglike as something as, like gender
neutral from her brand of like a totebag or something from Kohl's.

(33:11):
Her brand.
Yeah, dude.
Like I would be so fucking down to rockLC back.
I think the only LC product I ever gotwas a pair of Keds.
That's why I remembered it earlier,because I cause Taylor Swift.
No, I did it.
Yeah, she was a brand ambassador.
She did Keds to cats is cute.
Yeah, I like thatthey do that. That's sweet.
And it's kind of, like, wholesomeand simple. It's nice for young women.

(33:32):
Okay. Wait.
Now back to season one though.
So they're living togetherin the apartment, and Heidi
is working at this job because she quits,she quits fashion school.
That's where like,they kind of get to go together.
She quit and she's like,you're going to quit like Elsie's.
LC is very moral.
Yes, she is.
And she's got her own, like,ethical compass.

(33:54):
And these women that are all around her
are doing all these other things,and she's like, reacting to all of it.
And in like interviewsI heard after The Hills came out,
people were like, like,I think it was even Spencer
and Heidi that were talking about it,
but they were like,yeah, the way they filmed the show,

(34:15):
sorry, the
way they filmed the show was prettymuch like
everyone would betold to go do something in the scene,
and then Lauren would just think it's reallife and be like reacting to stuff.
And that's why when you watch itand you watch her reacting to people
and she's like, not in on it,it makes it kind of makes sense

(34:39):
because all the dramais kind of happening around Lauren.
I mean, in season one,there's the Jason drama,
dude with the golf clubs,with the golf clubs.
Dude, what did you think about Jason? I,
I hate Jason. We can fix him.
No one can fix somebody.
No one can fix him. Yeah,and I'm not sure.

(35:00):
I don't think you got around to, like,
seeing her episode like that was then,and this is now.
So she did an episode.
I'm not like,you know, going off, but she did have,
she did a reunion episodewhere it's just her, like,
recounting, like, the first three seasonsthat she was on, really.
And she gave a lot of contexton the things of, like,

(35:22):
Jason and Jason and the beach house. Yes.
And with when you have the film scenes.
I didn't know this,but she did this episode called
That Was Then and This is now,where she said she was legally contracted
to meet up with people like you had likeyou, you're scheduled to go do this scene
because when she was like arguingwith like Heidi and such,

(35:44):
you don't pick up your phone. Her words,you don't pick up your phone.
You just like, go off and like,you process things and you come back.
But she wasn't likeshe wasn't able to do that
because they're like, you have a scenescheduled in the kitchen with Heidi.
And they were like basicallyputting them together.
Well, they had to do that because Laurenhas complete avoidant attachment problems.
Yes, she from season one.

(36:06):
Every fight you watchLauren go into through the hills,
she just runs away and doesn't wantto talk to people and cuts people off.
And that doesn't workfor this format of a show. Yes.
And she cuts them offand like they're fighting to talk to her.
Heidi is like, wait, what happened? Like,because she.
Heidi didn't know half the shit
Spencer was doing behind her back,I feel like. Yes.

(36:26):
And and she like,I think it was Heidi or like Lauren
that said that they sometimes they didn'tfind out things until it aired. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like half this
I feel I really when I watchedand this is jumping ahead a little bit,
but when I watched Spencer and Heidimove into the apartment together.
At the beginning it was like Spencerwas collecting things for the apartment

(36:49):
he collected Heidi, he collectedthe arcade, the arcade machine.
He collected the aquariumwith the jellyfish.
He collected the mural.
He was just filling itwith these cool things
that he wanted to have safe and like,have for himself in the house.
And Heidi was like one of those things.
And I think that, like,they were just so young.
I definitely like obviouslythey kind of grew out of that. But

(37:13):
that's how it felt whenthey moved in together and I was watching.
I took a screenshot and I will likeprobably put this on TikTok,
but like I took a screenshot of Heidisitting and having her lunch on the couch
because she wanted a dining tableinstead of this like, arcade machine.
And she's eating your lunch on the couch
and she looks so awkward and she's like,looking up at the mural on the wall,

(37:33):
and she's surroundedand she's just surround.
It's so ugly.
She's surroundedby, like, all of Spencer's, like, toys.
And it was just like,she's one of the toys.
She's not like surrounded by themin the Hollywood like mural.
The tagging.
It was so tagged.
So Ed Hardy, it's so of the moment.
Oh no no, no,
do not disrespect that Hardy l literallyknow this is right and hardy and tacky.

(37:55):
I literally wore my Ed Hardy.
I know I love itthough, it's Y2K, it's super Y2K.
And yeah, he's wearing Charlizewearing an incredible Ed Hardy hoodie.
I just I feel like very much like.
And I feel likethis is like very like 2025.
But like, it looks like what you like mebeing like a set designer.

(38:16):
Like you just say like you tell
like a white man to be like,what is graffiti look like?
And it's that's the mural.
Yeah. It's art, it's art.
Now that I look at it, I'm like,oh, this is art.
Because it was just of the moment.
But could you imagine being Heidiand like moving in with him and all
this stuff is just happening around you?
I felt so out of control

(38:36):
going back to like,
Lauren being very like avoidant. Avoidant?
Yeah, I feel that way with Audrina.
I feel that way with Audrinabecause, like not, I don't want to jump
to way too far ahead because I don't wantto like someone, you know, just do it.
But that when the whole, rumor about,like, the, about the sex tape.
Yeah. Audrina.

(38:57):
And like the first episode of season threewhen she was just kind of trying to be,
like, play Switzerland because, like,
she's still friends with Heidiand she's still friends with Lauren.
Audrinais, like, very absent, avoiding even
when, again, like, I don't want to jumptoo way too far ahead.
But, Lauren being allegedly,like, sleeping with Justin.
Bobby.

(39:19):
Like as
if as if also as if Laurenwould sleep with Justin.
Bobby of course,
because Miss Moral Compassis never going to do something like that.
Homeboy. Were combat boots to the beach?
No no no no no, not her flavor at all.
No, but still funny.
And I do like how they that I do likehow the women on the hills like we see it

(39:40):
in season one and going into seasontwo especially, we see it,
the women all have kindof rotational drama with each other.
So like, there's, there's drama between,
Heidi hating Audrina to start,
then Lauren in a Audrinaare are like besties

(40:00):
and Heidi is living with Spenceror before she moves in with Spencer.
Then there's the Jen Barney dramawhere Jen Barney takes like sloppy
threadsto quote her with Brody on her birthday.
Which I get it, girl,like Brody Jenner literally.
She's like, Lauren's not.
He's not hanging out with Laurenanymore. Great.
I'm going to sleep with himon my birthday.
Like, good for you, Jen, buddy.

(40:21):
And, and but there was like then dramawith that and Lauren went running
and was trying to like, avoid Jen
not even talk to her about it, like,you know what I mean?
And it was crazy because it was likeLauren, like, was debating Brody
because she had a crush on himafter her breakup with Jason.
But she also like wasn't dating him.
They weren't monogamous.

(40:41):
They weren'teven like really seeing each other.
They just like kind of hang out if theybumped into each other out on the town.
So it was like, you can't really call dibson a person like that. Yes.
And I feel like and this is just like me,like shipping them really hard.
Yeah.
I feel like if shipping them really hardship them so hard.
Especially with that photoI sent you of, like both of them.

(41:01):
Yeah. At,like some red carpet or something.
Yeah.
But I feel like if MTV like if productiondidn't
try and force it,I feel like it could have happened.
Brody would never settle downwith anybody.
Like he.
It took himliterally till he was like 45 to do it.
It's just impossible.
He was like he's he'stall and gorgeous and athletic

(41:23):
and richlike he literally has every box checked.
And he was on a TV show.
Every woman in the countrylike threw themselves at him for pretty
much his entire life.
Yeah. And you get brainwashedwhen that shit happens.
Like you can't just settle down.
I know Lauren would'vebeen a great match, but
now it
would have never worked outeven if they didn't push them.

(41:46):
Yeah. And also, like, I feel like.
And I feel like I was such a time capsulewhere, like, everybody was like
into Brody Jenner.
I don't feel like I don't even recall,like, anybody being for Spencer,
especially with no beard.
Nobody wanted to touch it because Spencerwas the villain from day one,
and he embraced it.
Like I've heard him talk about embracingthe villain role in like, making TV.

(42:07):
And I see scenes when I'm watching it backwhere, like, I get it.
Where he's like amplifying the tension.
Like, I don't want Heidi living with Elsiebecause she's just going to keep
talking shit about me. Like,Heidi needs love with anybody else.
But but Elsie,because Elsie is not Team Spencer.
And it's like it was like controlling,but it was also like

(42:29):
it felt like it was amplified.You know what I mean?
Because like, at the end of the day,I don't think Elsie was a threat.
I think Heidi was always going to chooseSpencer, and I think Spencer knew that.
But I think he was like,
he he thinks of storyline and stufflike that, like he's plays into it.
He's not scared of anything.
I think Spencer's blindly confidentI will give him that because I'm
I recall the famous famous scenewhere it's like, you know what you did?

(42:55):
Because,
you know what you did
at like do at do that, like,do you know what you did?
You know what you did.She couldn't even say it.
And Heidi was like, why?
What did we do?
Like, I literally don't thinkI don't think she knew.
I don't think she found out.
She had any idea. Yeah.
Until afterwards.
Because I feel like Spencer's smart.
Spencer was smart even way back when.

(43:17):
Because he literally told her verbatim.
Go roll up on her.
Yes, he said, literallygo roll up on her in that episode.
And then Heidi went and did itand I was like, fuck yeah.
I mean, when he said, go roll up on her,
I was like,I got a little adrenaline rush.
I was like, yes,this is what this is about.
Because Lauren runs, Lauren'salways running.
She runs and locked herselfin the bathroom. She runs away.
She doesn't avoid,she doesn't answer her phone.

(43:38):
And that's why I think productionhad to come up with that fucking rule.
Because Lauren's always running awayfrom people and not talking to them.
And when they do talk,then they're friends again.
And that would have beenso good for camera.
So they had to keep pushing it to happen.
But like when he said go roll up on her.
And Heidi was like what's going on.Like I was like I wrote you a note.
Like Heididoes everything so respectfully.
Like she really tries.

(44:00):
And she's like,I know Lauren doesn't want to talk to me.
So I wrote her a letterand she gave her the letter.
At the beginning of the night,I was like, Heidi, you're so sweet.
She's just so sweet.
Heidi.
Even now, I, I would want them
to, like, not to sound very Charlie like.
I would want them to work it outon the remix.
Working on theremix of Forgive and Forget,

(44:28):
Day to day to day.
when that happened and and she's like,you know what you did?
You know it.
Did you know what I do?
I don't think sheI don't think Heidi had any idea.
According to Reddit,the rumor is that Spencer was talking
a lot about Lauren and Jason's sextape the week before Perez

(44:48):
Hilton broke the news,and at that time, Perez hilton.com.
If you're like Gen Z or something,you have no idea what I'm talking about.
It was like a celebrity
gossip website, but Perez Hilton himself,this guy that's now apologized
for half the shit he didbecause everyone canceled him, was like,
a slanderous little gossiper,and he'd run around LA and break news.

(45:12):
And so the sex tape rumor
that LC refers to at the very beginning,episode one of season two,
is, about this Perez
Hilton postthat came out that they had a sex tape,
and it was like on the heels of KimKardashian's successful sex tape.
I call the success because like

(45:33):
that was a very successfulmarketing campaign for that family.
But and to like the degreethat like Lauren's family and O.C.
heard about it and like, that's whatLauren's blaming Spencer and Heidi for.
And the general consensus on Redditis that everyone does think that Spencer
and like Heidi indirectly werethe cause of that rumor starting.

(45:56):
I think he even confirmed it. Like,
Lauren probably knew it was Heidithat told like
she blamed Heidi because Heidi is probablythe only person she told about the tape.
Besides Jason and Jason's friends.
It was real.
Yeah, I think Jason
Jason was a pig, and I think Jason was at

(46:17):
Lauren was at a point lifewhere she should have done
anything for Jason,and I think that they did film something
maybe I, I mean, Iyou don't think there's a sex tape?
I don't think there was a sex tape.
I think it was just kind of likeon the heels of like,
I think it was on the heels of likeof course like of Kim Kardashian,
but also of like,I think it's just storyline.
I think it was just like the storyline.

(46:38):
I feel like he was just like,I don't think Lauren would have had
that kind of an outburst from a nonlike an untruthful rumor.
That's true too. That was like the other.
And why would she have jumped to blameHeidi and Spencer right away, like
Heidi had to have known?
She filmed a tape who was not expectingto have this conversation that was.
You have to think about when Iwhen people have a reaction to things

(47:01):
like you really need to look at like,
not how
big the reactionis, but like where it's coming from.
And Lauren immediately was furious
with Heidi and Spencerand blamed Heidi and Spencer.
She didn't go on that.
She didn't, like, say, there's no tapelike she was angry that the news was out.

(47:21):
She was angrythat people knew about this thing.
It wasn't that it was a lie.
Because even Whitney poorlike I think it was on
in 2020, 2020 or 2021.
She was like I,she was like I don't even know why.
Like she was even mad about it.
Like why would you be angryabout something there.
Like if there was no tape.
If there was, there was a tapethere. Had you been there probably.

(47:43):
Because like,I feel like because even going back
to, like, what you're saying about howshe would have done anything for, Jason.
Jason.
I mean, she sacrificed Paris.
Yeah, but the.
But more though, like,I feel like Jason fucked up Lauren bad.
And I think that, like, he made hergo against every moral she had.

(48:05):
And so she doubled down at the beginningof season two with her morals.
And she was angry at men.
You can read the anger with menall of season two.
She's every man she's angry with. Yeah.
And that's why she thinks this crushwith Brody is such a big deal,
because she's just, like,disgusted with every man.
Yeah, she's like, dude,you're fucking up my bag.
Like, you're like my streak.

(48:25):
I'm like, fuck, man.
You're literally coming for it. Yeah.
And so it was just a lot, but I really,I really do think there was a tape
probably.
And I just think that Lauren's powerful,rich as fuck OC parents
got their legal people on Jasonand made sure it never came out.
But shout out to Jason for getting clean.

(48:47):
Yeah, good for him, good for him,good for him.
It's hard.
These people that grew up in LA,I have a lot of friends that are L.A.
native and like half of them are soberbecause
it's a lot. It's a lot.
There's a lot.
You grow up
quick in the city and then you get boredand you do bad things as a kid.
And I feel like she did get fucked uplike mentally and emotionally
because she missed out on a big jobopportunity.

(49:11):
Right.
That she got to watch her best friend
or like one of her best friendsgo and take and reap the success of that.
And also
dude like
is like an alcoholic and a drug addict.
And then she literally has some,
like on camera,like is giving him back all his stuff.
And there's also like the golf clubs,the golf clubs and like there's B-Real

(49:33):
where she is like, dude,like you're even fucked up now.
Like coming and picking up her shit. Yeah.
And on top of that,there's a fucking sex tape
and stuff, like, dude,like he put her through the wringer.
Yeah, I think he was just like
an old dude that wanted, like,
a young, hot Lauren Conrad, you know?
But in mentioning and like, Whitney, we.

(49:57):
I love Whitney because in season two,she literally like looks at.
No, no.
It's the beginning of season three.
I forget Whitney looks at Lauren.
I think it's the end of season two.
And she says to Lauren, you have a lot ofproblems with your friends.
I remember like when she was like in thein the teen.
Yeah, in the Teen Vogue office.
And Lauren doesn't look at it like you.

(50:18):
Lauren has not done any therapyduring the show up until this point,
so she doesn't even, like, realizethat Whitney is trying to prompt
some accountability.
She, like, yeah, well,at least I have like you here
and like Audrina Lauren,you're not you're not hearing Whitney.
I, I did, even to this day, like,I'm such a big Whitney fan because me too.

(50:39):
Whitney is like, throughoutthe whole show, I think she only had like
one, like,drama storyline was when she was dating
this model in New Yorkand they were trying to make like,
long distance happened.
And this was like pre the city so.
Oh my god, I never watched the city.
I think I was a pilot and then I justreally didn't call my attention. No.

(51:00):
But fast forward one of the productionguys from the city is her husband now.
Oh yeah.
He was like, when I think I'mnot sure if he was like a PR or something.
That's so sweet.
Oh, good for Whitney.
But for Whitney,when you got her bag, dude,
remember when Whitney fell in the dress ongood Morning America?
Oh my God,yes, the Oscar dress. Literally.

(51:20):
They were like, Whitney got discoveredshe was up against Emily for the job
because she was aboutto finish your internship.
And graduate, and she.
They were, like, buildingtensions on the show
between her and Emily for, like,who is going to get this job?
And they asked Whitney to have her like,
Katherine Heigl momentand, like, wear this Oscar dress.
Katherine Heigl is just a referencebecause it's an actress

(51:42):
that was in romcoms.
Do you know who I'm talking about?You made a face. I'm sure you didn't know.
Okay.
Anyway, so it was, It was Hilary Swank.
It was.
It was a Hilary Swank dress, but, like,
I like it.
She looked like Katherine Heiglup there in the in the Hilary Swank dress
and with the low back.
But she falls on Good Morning America,and she gets up and she like, laughs.

(52:03):
I was like, oh my God.
But she looked so cuteand charming doing it.
Like, what an attention grab.
She got a shout out from Anna Wintour.
Anna Wintour literally wrotea letter and was like, like good shit.
All the good people fall.
Like, evenNaomi Campbell falls or whatever.
I was like, oh my God,
Whitney, I was so happy for her.
She's like, I'm
going to keep that letter on my Twitterand you should probably get a free minute.

(52:25):
I'm probably did I do it?
I'm pretty sure she still has it, butwho would be okay if if you're not Lauren?
Okay, here we go.
Who's like your
who's like your Whitney who was like,you're like like you're like ride or die.
Like you're Thelma Louise.
Well, I think I of all.
Okay,so the question that I wanted to pose was,

(52:45):
which hills girl are you a Heidi b lc
c Audrina d Gen Barney or E Whitney.
I'm going to go with Lauren.
You're Lauren. I'm a big Lauren guy.
You wanted Lauren.You wanted to jump Lauren's bones, though.
Yeah. You were, like, hot for Lauren.
I I'm not sure if I wanted to be her orbe in her town, because I just love that.

(53:09):
She was just, like,always very career driven.
And she, like, even,like when I got my first apartment, like,
I just, like, I just admired how she justwas, like, very unapologetically herself.
She was like,she went to the beat of her own drum.
She fucking made the drumby steaming in and Teen Vogue.
Yeah, I love her.
And if not her,I would probably be Whitney,
because, like,I don't see myself as a Gen bunny girl.

(53:31):
You know, even Gen bunnies like,giving like a Jewish princess.
She doesn't,
you know, she's just here for the vibesand the experience and the good time.
That's Gen Bunny.
Yeah.
And also she's like, no, she said Bunny,because I'm pretty sure she got like her
main like storyline. A new beginnings.
But even the like on the same episode
where, Whitneywas having like a housewarming party,

(53:55):
Gen Bunny would just like, she's like,I don't even know why you invited me.
Like, we were beefing it, like,not even a couple episodes ago. And.
But I feel like because Heidi was, like,
grasping at strawsbecause everybody was Team Lauren.
Like, Audrina was at the club.
At do with her. With Whitney.
Yeah. Everyone was at the club with her.Like low was there.
Low has always been Lauren'sfriend though.

(54:15):
Since Laguna which you're going to have.
You're. I'm giving you homework to watch.
I'm gonna have to watch him.
But yeah, I know.
So you think you're LC?
I'm. I'm big LC are you?
LC are.
Dude, are you LCin the way that like LC fights too?
Or are you just like how career driven.
Driven she is? Like just career.
Just the courage of an element.
Yeah, because I'm not one to be like,oh, I'm going to go high off ice.

(54:37):
People I know which I understandwhere you go very like
you seclude yourself and you go process itand then you come back, I get it.
And I also get that LC
was in a really unique positionwhere she was the star of the show
and she was probably fieldinga lot of people
that were like coming at herin authentically, like people
that wanted to be her friend and partywith her at these clubs

(54:59):
because she's who she is,not because she's who she's is.
Does that make sense? Yeah.
And I feel like JenBunny was very much like that. Like lo.
I feel likelo was a very good friend of hers.
Even when that lowest tried and truelowest tried and true, she was very.
People hatelo though she was very awkward.
She was like almost bluntly awkward.But she.
You know what lo reminds me a lot of like,that horse girl best friend

(55:21):
you had as a kid who just saysthings off the cusp and like,
she's she's cool and confidentand kind of like in her own world.
And if she comes and joins your orbit,she might not mesh with everybody,
but she's still your friend.
I had friends like that.
See, Lauren and I connected.
So my answer to this questionis really tough because I've always
felt a close connection to Lauren.

(55:42):
I think everybody watching the show does,though, because she's the main character.
Lauren and I had so much in common.
Liquid friends from all walks of lifewere both super ambitious,
but we both jugglelike really great social lives.
Like we have great style and, but I like,
never felt like I connectedwith Lauren emotionally.
I never agreed with how she handled stuffand the way she moved,

(56:05):
because I'm so much more direct.
I'm much more Whitney.
So I think I'm Whitney.
I'm much more of a secure energy.
I'm much more direct about stuff.
I'm supportive of my friends and I show upwhen I say I'm going to show up.
That's all that stuff is. Whitney.
Yeah.
And and I went to Paris like.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, I took the job in the other country.
Like, I didn't turn it down.

(56:27):
Yeah. For boy and I for a boy, literally.
Is there any I can remember her name?
But like her, their manager, Teen Vogueat that time, she was just like,
you'll always be like,she already called that.
She's like, you will always be knownas the girl who didn't go to Paris.
And she was like, I hope we had a goodsummer at the beach with your boyfriend.
Oh, my God, I loved that.
That woman.

(56:48):
That woman was so incredible because
she was blunt and and, like,
kind of crude, which like, people pointthe fashion world for being.
But she really cared about them.
Yeah. Likeshe always had things set up for them.
They were good.
But, but like she did rub,she did rub else's nose in it

(57:08):
and LC took it on the chin.
She didn't like react. She didn't cry.
I was you know,she only cried later but maybe later.
But but not in the moment.
A lot of girls would have criedin the moment.
It was tough love moment. Yeah. It was.
A lot of girls would have criedin the moment and I feel like.
And I'm totally blanking on her name. Who?
The manager.
I don't know whatever or whateverher name was, but she, like even line

(57:29):
them up with the other internship.
Yeah, yeah.
And like,she was like, yo, like I'll speak
like, well, on your behalf, like you,you've grown so much.
You're like, she even told like when you.
She was like when she offered herthe new position to be like,
like ahead of, like, interns. Yeah.
She was like, I'll put in a good word.
You know, they made that job for herto keep her in the same room as Lauren,
to keep filming because it was so goodfor Teen Vogue at the time.

(57:52):
Because then those two girls had.
I remember in Teen Vogue,they would have, like a little spread
where it was like Whitney's picksor like Lauren's stuff,
and they would get like a little spreadbecause everyone was watching the Hills.
So this made them go by Teen Vogue.
It was so smart of them to work with MTV.
It all felt it all fitreally well together.

(58:13):
Those brands all working together.
Yeah, and it was so funny. They were.
I can remember who it was.
If it was like my sister, but they werelike, I'm like watching the show.
And she was like, she's like,they're not really working.
And I was like, no, they're working.
And then she was like,and then my sister was like,
they're literallyon the cover of Teen Vogue
and they're working as interns on TeenVogue.

(58:36):
Like, make it make sense.
I'm like, don't read into it.
A deep don't read into it.
Yeah,don't don't break the fourth wall here.
Okay.
So you're LC and I'm Whitney.
That's the answer to the question.
But who's your LClike in your personal life?
I don't have an LC.

(58:56):
I'm the LC.
I don't have anyone who's like,who's your Whitney?
Maybe my sister.
Oh, yeah.
I think my sisters, my Whitney,
because she's even more secure,direct, stable, like.
Yeah, I think Natalie's my Whitney. Her.
Who's your Whitney.

(59:20):
I would say Chris.
Chris is your WhitneyI would say Chris is my Whitney
because if I ever like need helpwith like a self-tape
or like if I ever need advice on anythingthat's like you got a third party.
Like if I'm like having like an issue
with like my boyfriendor like with another friend.
Yeah.
I can always go to Chris and be like,yo, dude, like, this is what's going down
and my the problem or like,what's the vibe?
And he's like, no, dude. Like,I think you should do this.

(59:41):
It's not oh that's good.
Yeah. Okay, great.
Well I'm we're so luckyto have people like that in our lives.
Okay. Here's my next question.
Bed wetter. Dead.
Fuck.
Very cool.
Oh, fuck.
Okay. Work. Bedwetter dead.
Spencer.
Jason Brody.
Oh, okay.

(01:00:01):
And you can have whatever.You just explain it.
You can have whatever reasoning you want.Whatever.
Did you say Jason? Jason.
Jason. Jason. Okay.This is like season two.
Season two. Bedwetter dead.
Okay. Great.
Kill. Fuck. Mary.
Kill. I would
I would marry, I would marry Brody.
Okay.
Sorry, Jason, but like, big biggest

(01:00:24):
six foot whole, it's been there,and I would just, like, fuck Spencer.
Just for the story.
Just for it. Probably be good, too.
I feel like he has something to prove.
Not only that, but it's just likewe don't have to look at him.
Just.
Yeah, get it done, because, like, I, I could have Brody any day.
Any day.
Yeah.
If I married him, like,I think I'd pick the exact same.

(01:00:45):
Yeah.
To. To.

(01:01:08):
Heidi's birthday in season two.
She's got the crown.
She's got the cake.
She's in the club do for her birthday.
Why is Audrina the enemyI never understood
like why in season two Audrina
was like no bueno to Heidibecause she was like
supposedly dating Spenceror friends with Spencer.

(01:01:30):
I feel I knowexactly we were talking about.
I feel like it was more about
like Audrina being like the hot one,how all the guys were like,
you know, look at her because she's like,she's got like, she's so mysterious.
She's like, she's ten.She was intimidated.
She was intimidatedjust because you see that happen later on.

(01:01:50):
And she was hanging out with the group.
So she was worriedand she was feeling probably
because she didn't have things lockeddown.
Was Spencer at the time? Yeah.
Because the things are still upin the air.
And like Spencer was always likewith Mary, you with playmates and shit.
Well, rememberwhen Heidi faked the pregnancy test? Yes.
Have you ever had anyone

(01:02:11):
fake a pregnancy test in your life
with me,or just any friends with other people?
I was like, no.
Or like or like lie about it.That's so scandalous.
But like, yeah, I've seen itso many times, you know, I've been very
like when I'm intimate with women,I just like when I was,
but I would just, like, alwaysjust take the condom with me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And I also like, learn from like Heidireally tested him there.

(01:02:33):
She knew what she was doing.
It was like toxic.
That's why I think Heidi and Spencerare, like, perfect for each other.
Because as innocent sweet as Heidi is,she does toxic shit like that.
Yeah.
To also like,
this goes and like this harkensforward and again I'm sorry.
I'm like jumping all around. It'sokay. We are.
It's just a discussionbecause I feel like you see it happen

(01:02:57):
also in real time when she crashesLauren's birthday on the boat.
And that same night, Brody.
Brody.
Spencer was talking to the,The bartender.
Yeah, the to me.
Did you not go that far?
No, I don't remember, though.
I've seen it all.
But it was so long ago.

(01:03:17):
And then I got to season three.
So far, there's so many episodes.
I love it, there's so many.
But back then, they used to make, like,20 episodes of shows.
Yeah.
And also it was like 20 minutes
and like at the timeit was like 30 minute syndication.
But like alsoit was like very like super digestible.
But Spencer, like the night of Lauren'sbirthday on the boat,

(01:03:39):
or the booze cruise, Spencer was like, at a bar
and a, like some dingy dive bar,and he was like, flirting with.
I can't remember if her name was Nikki orsomething, but she was like a bartender.
She was like, super fucking hot.
And he was, like, flirting with her.
And then he ends up,like, fighting a guy at that party

(01:04:00):
and Heidibeing also like a toxic little queen.
She goes,she goes and confronts the fucking
the bartender like 2 or 3 days laterand she's like, stop talking to my man.
And she was like,
dude, I'm not going to be the first one,
and I'm not going to be the last one,because if your boyfriend
is already talking to me,he's probably going to keep doing it.
Yeah. So yes, Heidi was very toxic.

(01:04:21):
But like also keep in mindthere were like early like early 20s.
Yeah, I know, like I knowwe're just like still figuring it out.
I love the drama. It's so good on camera.
It's so fun. It's so fun.
And I love watching Spencer flirt too.
Like, even with the playmates.
Like the way he's flirting, I'm like,
oh my God,they just don't do it like that anymore.
And they don't.
European guys do like,European guys flirt like that.

(01:04:45):
They're very direct and like really sweetand they come on heavy.
But like, American guys,they're so scared.
Yeah.
Like, this is even before me too.
Like,they used that as an excuse now. Like.
But like they used, they used to flirtway heavier and now they don't.
Everyone's just chicken shit. Yeah.
That's all.
I was like,
very like surprised with, like, table 141who didn't ask me for my name.

(01:05:09):
Like you didn't ask me for my Instagram.
He asked me for my number directlyand I was like, older man, I'm older man.
Yeah, yeah. Can I get your number?
Oh, what the fuck?
Even Chris was like when there was a scenewhere, like, where there was a scene
where, Heidi told Lauren that she gaveBrody Lauren's number and and Lauren's.
You gave him my number?
It's like season, the beginning of seasontwo or end of season one?

(01:05:30):
No, obviously it's not seasonone just for Jason.
So season two, she goes, yeah,I gave Brody your number.
And she's like,I can't believe you did that.
And she's like, well, wait by the phone.
And I was like, oh my God.
People used to wait by the phone.
Yeah.
So even when it's so sweet,I think I'm gonna get a landline.
And anyone that looksmy number has to take the landline number.

(01:05:51):
Like the dating phone.
Wouldn't that be cute?
I like the Powerpuff Girls. Literally.
Okay, you have to call me.
Call me after sevenby considering getting a landline.
Let's get landline.
I want to, like, twirl a phone cord.
Just been like I a hamburger phone bitch.
Okay, go off Juno.
I know, I bought it when Juno came out.
I think we need landline phones.

(01:06:12):
We should look at how much it costs, dude.
And it could be the dating phone.
And, like,if you want to talk to me. No texting.
You're calling the landline?
I feel like I would do.
I would rather just do, like, a landline,just for, like, friends who just be like,
okay, like, put in my phoneand do not disturb and wait.
Do you wantor do you want, like, a cordless Vtec?
I used to have a VTech phone
and it was like the clear plastic,so you could see all the stuff inside.

(01:06:35):
I had a blue one and it was cordlessso I could walk around with
like my cordless phonewhile I was doing stuff around the house.
Dude, I didn't have a VTech.
I just had like the standard oneeven like on my phone.
We need landlines, bring back landlines.
Let's bring back landlines.I'm really down for that shit.
I'm gonna look at itprobably, cause maybe we can get.
I think that we do thisnow where it's like,

(01:06:57):
technically, it's the internet landline.
I don't know, I want it,this is happening.
It's happening.
You give all the land.
Let me give work my fucking landlinelike you need me.
You can call landline,not slack anymore. Don't slack.
Just not on slack.Here's the landline. And then you leave.
You leave the phone open.
You leave the burger phone open. I'm like,whose number is it?

(01:07:17):
I check the caller ID, remember caller ID,and I got not answering it.
Nothing.
Sorry.
Work, but yeah, but goingback to your thing, I feel like I think
Heidi was just intimidated by Audrina,
and I think it even festered even morewhen Audrina moved in
when Heidi moved out.

(01:07:39):
Okay.
What did you think when Spencer, like,tried to fight Heidi's coworker
at lunch, they went to lunchand they bumped into Ellery
and the guy that told Heidishe wasn't dressed appropriately for work.
And Spencer gets in a fight with himand like, shoves him at lunch.
Did you like it?
I thought it was so tacky and messyand all the words.

(01:08:02):
It was crazy.
Yeah. Also, I'm by the like.
I've never seen Heidi's boss.
Never not wear that fedora.
The ugliest fedora in the world or everthat was in at the time.
Yeah.
And like, just like t shirtsand then like a tie.
You, It's so true.
They did, like, Jonas Brothers, like,literally the Jonas Brothers.

(01:08:24):
I love
talking about the Jonas Brothers and like,also talking about this period piece.
It was like it is a period.
Did you ever, like,listen to Fearless Taylor's version?
Yeah, I remember Mr.
Perfectly Fine and just like your suitand tie and I'm like,
you talking about the checkeredfucking tie wear like Joe was wearing.
You know, that's that's not Mr.

(01:08:45):
Perfectly Fine to me.
No, it's not that in Taylor'sworld, maybe, I don't know, I love it.
It's such a slice of life.
Okay, here's my question to you.
And if season two, everyone'stelling Heidi not to move in with Spencer.
If everyone in
your life was saying that to you,like Elsie said it, her coworker said it.
Everyone was like, no, no, no, I'll see.

(01:09:06):
Was like,you told me that you were going to,
that you wouldn't move in with a guy untilyou dated him for two years, would you?
Would you?
If you were Heidi,would you have moved in with Spencer?
I wouldn't have.
I would likeif I'm so, like, stuck in this.
Probably just like the Scorpiohard headedness of me.
And also just like.

(01:09:27):
But you're Scorpio. Scorpios are, like,so obsessed.
When you're in love, you're in love.You're like in it.
I told Chris one time I was like, dude,if my voice messages to you
ever get leaked, it would be detrimentalto my brand because no,
it's going gonna destroy my brand.
You're going to destroy my brand.
But I would just,
like, even with me now.

(01:09:48):
Like I would just like I would free trialand just, like, have you spend nights
but, like, see, like, no guys, like, he'sactually, like, a really good roommate.
And I feel likethis is going to be the next step
because I feel like she just cannon ballthe end.
Dude, I wouldn't have done that.
Oh, they're just so cutein their early 20s and they're clueless.
I also think that likebecause they both come from money,

(01:10:09):
like they were likeit wasn't like a financial risk for them.
It was literally just them,like trying it out, you know?
So I don't know if I was Heidi,
I don't know
if it was me and everyone was telling menot to move in with the guy.
I'd probably be really scaredto move in with him.
I'd probably listen to everyone,but maybe that's why I'm more of an LC
and not more of a Heidi.

(01:10:29):
Yeah, because like, also like, girl, ifyou're telling me not to move in with him,
what I know,
are you seeing that I'm not, but Ibut I know girls that are like the Heidi
and that would, like,
just move in with them right awaybecause they're just swept up in it.
Same.
I have aI have a friend that's like a Heidi.
Well, I have a textbook Heidi friend, butwe don't really talk that much anymore.
But I have a friendthat's so Heidi of her.

(01:10:50):
Yeah, you got to laugh about it.
It's so. It's so Heidi of her.
Yeah, well,I also like dude Lives and, like, fucking.
I'll show you a photo of him.
Like, he he, like, moved over to Florida.
But where, like, Miami,
I don't know, like, I don't know if it's,like, Fort Lauderdale or something.
Okay.
But I do have a friend that makes,like, Heidi decisions.
And I hate not to sound very vulgaron your podcast, but, like, it gets me

(01:11:14):
so fucking hard to be like, bitch,I told you so.
Yeah, you love it.
I love it because I'm like, grow.
Now you're seeing from 6 to 12.
You're like, told you so 24 seven.
Just like any timeshe mentions the last guy that she dated
that I was like, girl,he kidnaped you to Italy.
Girl. He, like, sounds kind of sexy.

(01:11:34):
Oh, that's that's.
Do you want to be kidnaped toItaly? Oh, no.
Because then I'm like, because for me,I go to my orca, I'm jealous.
I want to in in Palm Springs.We do need to make that.
We could literally get the carand go there.
Now that's nothingbecause I've never been a on face.
I'm the worst. I'm the worst kind of girl.
You got to get around.You got to go places.
You got to see the world.
You can't just be Silver Lake,Silver Lake, Silver ladies.

(01:11:57):
And it's made me get draggedto Mexico City.
Like that's it. Dude.
Yes, I love, I love,
I love going trips, like,especially with, like, Max and like Adele.
Just going to like Mexico.That's so fucking well.
Yeah, because they're like the kingand queen of Mexico.
They know everybody there.
You go there and you get like,princess treatment.
Yeah, I got princesstreatment at Bruma with Lulu.
I know Lulu keeps telling meI should come out to Bruma,

(01:12:20):
but I know they're fucking food, bro,I really good.
It's I, I could live off of that.
I haven't seen her up at the restaurantin a long time though.
Where she been right now? She's goinggo on a little tour.
She's still hooking up with Randy.
I kind of fizzle out.
I wanted to ask Randy the other day.I want to be like, hey, because.
Because Randy's always ask me about John,and I'm like,

(01:12:41):
okay, I'll tell you how John's doing.
If you tell me how look. Sweet.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Next to me does that.
I'm being like,it's like, feel it, feel it out.
But I'm curious.
I dude, I DM'd Lulu the other daywith Alexandra next to me.
And Alexandra was like,
because I texted Lulubecause I want to kind of become more
of like a wine connoisseurbecause, like, for me, so does Alex.

(01:13:02):
Yeah. Because you want that.She's like, on that back.
I think she just wants to drink wine.
Dude. Mean. Same.
Speaking of cheers.
Salud.
Anyway, anyway, I hit upLulu and I was like, I want to get, like,
a wine masterclass from you.And she's like, I'm down.
I'll let you know next time I'm in LA.
Or you can come down to Brumaand I'm like, it's gonna be me, dude bro.

(01:13:24):
And their new to what's going to fuckingBruma and their their new rooms. I
not to come for Max's
bag but like I likeI helped him into his like hotel room
because where we got so fucking slashall night and he dirt fucking rooms bro.
It's so hot. It's so sexy.
I fucking love their rooms.

(01:13:45):
If you're listening and you're like,what the fuck is Bruma?
Brumais this winery in Via Guadalupe in Mexico.
And it's like ritzy fancy little wine
world of Mexicoand Lulu Martinez is this, like, gorgeous
wine maker, tall pixie bleach cut,which was recently brunet.
Actually, she switched it up, but yeah,she was cool.

(01:14:08):
She was at the bar. She's so cool.
Yeah. When she.
And when it went back to Brunet,I like she tapped my shoulder.
She's like, you know, my glasses.
I love that. Like,you're not going to say hi to me.
And I'm like,when the fuck did you go? Brunet?
And then she was like,oh my God, I'm back to nature.
And I was like, dude, it looks good.

(01:14:28):
To. To.
To. To Okay.
Wait. Back to hills. Back to the hills.
Back to the hills.
After that tangent about youneeding to travel more.
Okay, so we covered that we would move inthe sunset.
Let's go into season threea little bit with the sex tape rumors.
Would you ever film a sex tape?

(01:14:49):
I have, okay, that was easy.
When he gets the new joband she's head of the interns.
Not a shocker. Yes.
Oh my God. Sweet.
Though the first episode, Lauren is drunkbecause she's.
And she gets she gets shitfaced at Ledouxand she doesn't go to the housewarming
party.
Spencer and Heidi have a housewarmingparty, and they don't show up.
Instead, she's, like, shitfaced at Ledoux,and she finds that British man,

(01:15:12):
and she's like,hey, look, I am. Isn't it cute?
She's like showing them offto all the girls.
And then she's like, when I'm drunk.
Is he is he actually cute?Like trying to figure it out?
And then Whitney goes,never seen her drunk like that on camera.
Dude.
No juju ask where the hell is he?
Cute. And when he just goes, no,
Whitney, as you and I fucking love,because Whitney's type

(01:15:35):
is probably like boat shoesand like a yacht
or like a sailboat,but like a New York guy with a sailboat.
Like, I feel it in a golden retriever.
Like, I feel like that's Whitney Port.
Yeah. Have you not seen her? Do you?
She ended up with Whitney Whitney's tape.
It's very particularWhitney's dude that she's with now.
It's not trust fund.
No, he's like he's.

(01:15:55):
He was the PR on the on the city.
What does he look like?
He looks like Fallon's dude.
Oh. Looks like wholesome, wholesome,very golden retriever.
Very dorky, like beard.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't expect that.
Like a little Winniethe Pooh. She's so sweet.
And I love that Winnie the Pooh.
Man, we need the Pooh, man.
And Winnie the Pooh man with Whitney.

(01:16:18):
She also, when she became, like,head of the internet.
Lord, this is.
That's why I was,like, laughing off of my was when she.
When she mentions like, hey, I'm like,this is gonna be my new job title.
Lauren was like,so what does that make you?
My boss?
And Whitney was like.

(01:16:38):
No. And then like.
And it's like you literally visibly see,like, yeah, I'm going to be your boss.
Yeah. And then it cut to season three.
Like episode one.
Lauren walks in late and Whitney's like,
why are you like, why are you late?
Like, don't put me in this position, dude.
Yeah, literally though, it's so funny.

(01:16:58):
Why was Lauren like?
Because she was like, oh my God.
Like, I follow these sex
tape rumors and like, at the time,like all her family from, O.C.
was hitting her up about it,and I think it was like at the time,
I think it was eitherlike Myspace or Facebook
when when her parents were, like,sending her
articles like, yo,what the fuck is going on?
Yeah, I think it's Myspace, becauseI don't even think Facebook was out yet

(01:17:20):
because that cameout when I was in university.
Yeah, man, isn't that crazy, dude?
Yeah. Okay.
Spencer and Heidi get engaged on the beachin Santa Barbara.
That's very. Them.
They're like,yeah, yeah, and the ring is so Heidi,
I he literally bought itand ripped up the receipt, and I was like,
what the hell is going on? Like,it was like like a consignment shop.

(01:17:42):
He got it.
It was beautiful.
But I was just kind of shockedbecause it wasn't
like a traditional jewelry storeor like Diamond Dealer or anything.
He like,he was like in downtown L.A.. Yeah.
And it looked like a giant cubic zirconia,even though I don't think it was.
No, it was just kind of shocking.
It was also really like, weird.
Like even like Brody was like, bro,what do you do?

(01:18:03):
Well, Brody,
Brody thought he was crazy and said,you're the most insane person I know.
And, you know, once you get marriedor engaged at 23, also like that,
I was like 30. Been like bro, like,think about it.
And then he he knew though low key,he knew that she was like
literally I don't think Spencer could havegotten a better girl than Heidi.
I do not think he would have gottena better girl than Heidi.
I think he knew it too,because she was sweet.

(01:18:26):
They had the same like kind of Christianbackground thing going on.
And they like were and she wason this show and she was such a prize.
Like, I don't think even a playmateadded up to Heidi.
Hades bigger than a plane, a playmate.
Like, who else would have Spencergot with no one as good as Heidi?
And I mean, I'm just surprised he knew howto to cash out when he cashed out.

(01:18:49):
Like, you know he didn'twant to keep gambling like Brody.
He Brody got addicted to that chasein that world.
Spencer was like nah I know what I got.
I'm going to cash out.And I got to give him props for that.
Maybe I could see him with a low no way.
Maybe like with a low, but like so uptightbut low.
Needs a guy.
She could walk all over

(01:19:10):
and tell him what to do. Yeah.
That's low.
Wants to like,low. Is a little controlling like that.
Not like with not with her friends.
But the way she talks,I think with her life partner,
she wants to talkthe way she talks all the time,
and that's going to come off in a certainkind of way.
And also she's very quiet.
I don't I, I feel like it could have beenwith low, but I feel like low, like it

(01:19:33):
probably would have like fizzled outand like they would have broken up.
Now, you never worked because Spencerlikes to control Heidi a little bit, like,
you know,he does some really manipulative shit.
So low is like very like,she's very quirky.
Like, she was Zoe now, in my opinion,because I remember there's this one scene
where Lauren and Lo are like,we need to watch Laguna.

(01:19:57):
I do need to watch Lagunabecause I was about to ask you.
You're not allowed to come backon the show until you watch the first.
We're going to talk about Laguna.First two seasons Laguna.
Don't talk about it downbecause lo is on Laguna.
Yeah. And I was like so surprisedwhen like I, it was like oh my God.
Like Lo'scoming onto the show and I'm like,
yeah, you're like, who's lo?
Yeah. What's the name lo?Her name is like heard.
I think her name was also Lauren.But she went by lo.

(01:20:18):
Is that right?
Let me look it up. Like, who's this girl?
Why should I be?
Yeah, her name is Lauren Bosworth. Laura.
But they called her lo.
And I wonder
if that was something that happenedbecause they were friends not growing up.
Or if that'sbecause when she was on the show,
they could do one of two Lauren'sbecause it's confusing.
I think that lo sounds cool, though.It's like a cool name.

(01:20:39):
Lowe is a like that sounds like very easyfor me to like, also be like,
what was that?
Was what was I going girl's name?
I was like, oh lo lo iconic.
Yeah. No.
Okay.
If I did pick somebody for Spencer, thatwasn't Heidi, but it was in the universe.
Maybe
Audrina, only because of, like, them,they could go clubbing.

(01:21:00):
I only think Audrina
because Audrina likes to cluband because Audrina is also malleable.
Like, Heidi is, like, they're both soft,like Clay and Spencer, like I said,
likes to like he pushes his limitsand he pushes his buttons.
But I think what's great about Heidiis Heidi eventually pushes back. Yes.
And that's why they're a great couple.

(01:21:21):
Like he does things and he's like, I gotyou surprised when he graffitis the wall.
Like that's no surprise. And she's like.
And then so he comes homeand she started painting over it.
It's like surprise,you can't get mad at me.
You can't get mad at me.
And that's whyI think there's such a good couple.
It's so fucking them. They're good.
They're such a good couple. Also,because I.
I'm not sure like how deepyou've gotten into your rewatch,

(01:21:43):
but seeing since the beginning of seasonthree.
Okay, but you've seen the whole show.
I've seen the whole show, butbut the whole show I watched forever ago.
So right nowI'm at the beginning of season three.
You're going to see how Heidi becomes
like, more independentand just starts speaking for herself.
Very Chris Byers because she like

(01:22:05):
I one that's the Christopherwe've been talking about
just for the listeners betterlike who's great Chris Byers I love him.
Yeah I miss him.
That's your Whitney.
That's my Whitney.
Okay, but wait, very Chris Byersin the sense that she, like, finds her
voice and starts speaking for herself,her voice with a megaphone.
And she I can rememberI can recall what argument they got into.

(01:22:25):
I'm not sure if it was because of the girllike the bartender or of some sort,
but the point is, I got into an argumentand she goes back home to Colorado
and she, like, turns off her phone.
She doesn't answer Spencer'scalls and Spencer, for some stupid
fucking reason,
flies out there and he's like, we're notanswering your phone or whatever.
And she's like, well, yeah,because I need space.

(01:22:46):
And I'm trying to hibernate and like,figure life out
with my parents, like, I'm.
I need some space and but here you arecoming to fucking Colorado
like unannounced.
And she he had he couldn't deal with that.
He didn't want to lose Heidi.
No. And he's want he'ssuch an even Heidi's dad was like,
dude if she's not picking up the phone,like maybe take the hint.

(01:23:08):
I give her some space.
And yeah, the dad was even kind of likelooking at like Spencer, like, dude,
what the fuck?
I know, I know, so embarrassing for himto show up that I remember that.
Yeah. So embarrassing.
But, like, that's the thing about Spencer.
It's like, what's his sign?
It's giving Taurus.You think he's a Taurus?
Giving very Taurus.
Because my ex is like a Taurus,and, like, that's very much him.

(01:23:32):
Okay, here we go.
Spencer Pratt to Leo.
Oh, that means surprise, not surprise.
Let's see what Heidi is.
She has to be a water sign.
She's like a she's giving cancer.
She's giving cancer or Pisces.
Heidi, I didn't put her last name.

(01:23:56):
Oh, my God, she's a Virgo.
No, I'm not I'm
not really into, like, risings and like,
okay, she's Virgo sun Virgo risingand her moon is Aquarius.
There's your wheel up there too.
That doesn't add
because I would, I would understand herbeing a Pisces to be

(01:24:18):
very go with the flow.
Very much like that I don't know Pisces,Pisces can be pretty headstrong but
Virgo and a you know I mean Leos commandeverybody no matter who they're with.
So it just makes sense.
And I could see them butting heads.
And that's why she maybe embracedher sense of self.
Is the Virgo but also Aquarius.
Chris Byers is an Aquarius. Yeah.

(01:24:41):
And he's very
in terms of like
even like in a relationship like evenChris is like someone that like I admire
and I'm just like I gotta take a pageout of this dude's book.
Imagine Aquarius in the Scorpio,just like talking romance
and have disagreements like, no,like it needs, it needs to be this way.
And then Chris is like,
maybe don't do that.

(01:25:01):
I love that, though.
I love Scorpios, I love Scorpios.
Thing about Aquarius people is they don'tlike to break the rules very much.
I know a little bit of a rule breaker.
So, I don't like it.
I like loyaltyand that's why I like Scorpios.
Sam I'm like a loyalty girl, you know?
I'm like, I got your back.
The sky is pink, sky is fucking pink.

(01:25:21):
And then behind closed doors will be like,hey, you know, this guy is not pink. Me.
You know what I mean?
Like, hey, hey,I know we got in that fight
with those people earlierabout the pink sky.
You know it's not pink, right?Yeah. I just wanted to check for a second.
Just make sure we're okay. That. Yeah.
Fuck you guys.
The sky is pink,you know, like fucking colorblind.
Yeah. What are you talking about?
Just like gaslight the fuck out of.
Yeah. So funny. Okay, I love that.

(01:25:44):
Okay.
Let's do let's do a later season. Fuck.
Marry. Kill. Justin. Bobby.
Okay, Frankieand it's Frankie's birthday at LA. Do.
It's just the Brody stuff, right?
Is it anybody else?
There's wasn't one model that when he wasthey talking to

(01:26:05):
when they went to New York?
I don't remember him, though. She did.
Brody again?
Oh, okay.
So the fuck Marie killed Brody Jenner?
Justin, Bobby and Frankie.
Okay. I would kill Frankie.
And I feel like Brody kind of
did that already when he saidfucking, Martin Lopez wannabe.
Oh, my God, it's.
That was awesome. That was a big read.

(01:26:27):
How's a gay manread? Coming from a straight man?
Yeah.
I would kill Frankie.
I would
I would fuck Justin. Bobby.
Because I know that he would do me dirtylike he did Audrina.
And, like, go to a club.
He would ditched her all the time.
He ditched her all the fucking.
He ditched her on camera multiple times.
Yeah,like one time. Like I was such a loser.

(01:26:49):
He was such a Johnny Deppwannabe in that part.
He was, though. He literally was.
That was his brand.He was like trying to be Johnny Depp.
Speaking of his brand, you know,he came out with the hair care line.

(01:27:09):
To. When did he come out with that?
Like right after the show.
I think like in 2012,he came out of the haircare line, okay.
And it was like Justin Bobby hairsome shit.
And I was like, shampoo is mousse okay?
Which very on brand for him.
Yeah, actually he had a good head of hair.He was known for that.
I remember when he cut,it was like a big thing on the show too.

(01:27:30):
Yeah. Everyone was like,what the hell? Why'd you cut your hair?
Yeah. They're like, what the.
And I'm pretty sure production. Yeah.
He was like, I don't fucking know.
I just did stuff to piss people off.
He is a problem. Dude, I we had a problem.
I don't like peoplethat are like that. Like,
it's kind of sad that his whole lifeis, like, around, you know what I mean?
Like, the way he moveshis whole life is just pisses people off.

(01:27:53):
It's weird.
It gives, like, very much like silverto the kid energy to being like,
what is going to piss you off?
Oh, it'll pass you off
like by on my forehead so you can hear,like I'm going to do it every time I eat.
Yeah, yeah.
That's Justin Bobby.
Oh, my God, he's such a turd.
There's just one scene and I'm pretty sureI was either season three
or it was like, maybe late seasonthree or early season four,

(01:28:15):
where he goes to a dinner with Audrina.
And this is obviously definitely,like, edited for camera.
Like I did it for TV, butlike at some point he just like Audrina
is like trying to make plans with himand then he just burps.
Oh my god. And just like I remember that.
Yeah, horrible.
It was horrible.
And I'm pretty sureit's happened in that context, but like,

(01:28:36):
maybe that would never I'd be like,get out of here. Bye.
I'm like, you're walking home.
Oh, you you brought me on your motorcycle.
Yeah. I'm disgusting.
I'll take a cab.
Thank you.
Hostageperiod. Piece a cab. Nonunion Uber.
No Ubers, then no Ubers.
Take cabs, dude.
But,
I would probably fuck Justin Bobby,because, like, he would probably do me

(01:28:58):
dirty like Audrina.
Even those beds going to be coveredin cigaret ashes.
And he's.
He probably smells.
He's not a guy that changes his sheets,I'll tell you that.
And I'll tell you thathe looks like a kind of guy that, like
Frankie,probably has maids to clean the sheets.
At least if you're going to fuck somebody,you know what I mean?
He definitely was like, nipple baby. Like.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying.
So at least, like, Brody and Frankie aregoing to have help cleaning their house.

(01:29:21):
Justin Bobby doesn'thave anyone cleaning his house.
That's why I think I would kill Justin.
Bobby and I would,fuck Frankie and marry Brody.
Yeah, I would probably still marry Brody.
Definitely still marry Brody.
He's got the everything going.I could fix them.
His genes, his money.
I don't care if he cheats. Go ahead. Brody. Yeah.
Go for it.

(01:29:41):
Go. I'll.
We can all have our fun.
Okay. Do it on the West Wing.
Yeah. Do it. I'll do it over there.
Cinemark.
The only thing you dosouth of Santa Monica.
That's the rule, Mr. Malibu.
Yeah, the kings of Malibuor the presence of Malibu.
Pixels of Malibu.Yeah, that's the rule. South.
It's south of Santa Monica. Only two.
We should definitely do, like,one of those nights.

(01:30:02):
It's a hilarious arrangementto have with somebody.
Like, if you live in Malibuand you're like, rich, rich couple,
and you're like, yeah,we can sleep with other people,
but only people south of Santa Monicaafter this block.
No. Yeah, literally. That's so funny.
Put a chalk.
Just put chalk on the floor.Where's the dividing line?
Here is a bungalow or, No.

(01:30:22):
What are you going to say?
We should definitely plan, like, classiclike or like Y2K.
Kind of like clubbing party night.
Yeah. So we dress up Y2K like Viper Room.
I'm already dressed by two K.
Now I just got Viper up.
Dude, I need a new beanie because I hada Viper beanie, but I gave it to my dad.
Let's go. We need.
I want merch, I want merch, dude.

(01:30:43):
And it was so funny because I literallylike in the middle of dance.
I'm like, how much for the beanie lets mewatch for that beanie?
I have a beanie to my chat.
You. That was me.
That's me too.
I buy merch everywhere, I love it,I love merch dude.
I love merch too.
Well,you should definitely like keep in contact
with like Lauren, like old Lauren Poole.

(01:31:04):
Yeah, because a lot of the brandambassadors, like,
if they're your friends, like,they just give you merch, like so sweet.
I miss her.
Well, I love the hills, I love them.
Are there any final thoughtsyou want to leave it on?
Have you heard Heidi's song?
Forgive him. Forget. Is it new?

(01:31:24):
I love I, I'mwaiting to buy Heidi Wood her new vinyl.
I want the album on vinyl that I need.
And I literally commented on
like three things with Spencerand I was like, but where's the vinyl?
I don't want a CD versioneven though she's signing them.
If you buy it on TikToknow, you get a signed copy
from Heidi of her new albumand the songs bang!
Like, let me play this one song for you.

(01:31:44):
You're going to fucking love it.
No, hold on, I'm going to put.
You need to hear this new song.
This is going to be playing inevery gay club in Santa Monica Boulevard.
Okay?

(01:32:14):
Here's the video for see.
Oh, she looks so good.
Yeah.
I don't know why
I can't find it.
I go from an angel to an animal.

(01:32:36):
When you walk in that room,I think I might be
inside.
And you kissand you imagine all the things that we
could be an animal.
I know you want me to be.
I know you want me to have it.
It's, It's bad.

(01:32:56):
And you like things that we can do.
I know you want me to judge
you an animal when you walk in that room.
Think I might be flammableif I'm shot at you and you imagine
all the things that we could feel likeI can be an animal.

(01:33:18):
I know you want me to. You.
I'm not.
You got to make me want more.
Hear me cry. You'll be dreaming
all night long.
Since you're so strong.
And when I'm gone.
You'll be dreaming in the snow.
This time I need it. Like my survival.

(01:33:40):
Ain't no freight like the cheese.
Try me while I'm listening.
But you waiting for me and my salvation.
And you say my name.
And it'swhen I go from an angel to an animal.
When you walk in that room.
I'm gonna be slam.
I flip on timeand you start to walk in other things.

(01:34:01):
Because you can be an animal.
I know you want me to.
I know you want me to.
This is going to be playing at every club.
Not only the clubis going to be playing out
Alexandra's apartmentwhile we pre-game fucking better.
I sent it to her.
Nick like the second it droppedand I was like, this is the summer anthem.

(01:34:22):
That chorus I it makes me want to be a DJ.
It makes mewant to figure out how to deejay
just to get that fucking chorusin every song I can put it in.
I'm a DJ and I'm thinking about thissince last year, I'm not going to do it.
But if I did it,it would be super private.
No one would know.
And then I'd have my own birthday party,and I'd come out
and deejay my own birthday party,and that would be why I would do it.
I do actually do.
Have you seen Hyde?

(01:34:42):
Hyde is still open. They start a party.
They start clubbing at Hydein the second half of the Hills,
and that's still open thereon the corner of Laurel Canyon and Sunset.
Beach.
Why, it's still got. Maybe we should gothere. Should we go?
Should we just like, show up at Hyde?
We just vlogged that on TikTok.
Yes. Yeah.

(01:35:04):
No expense is going to be like,no, no, hop in my car.
Is Spencer there all day?
He won't be there. No.
But it's not fucking the songs that arestuck in my head. It's so good, bro.
You got to listen to Forgive and Forget,okay?
That song is literally her recounting her
beef with Lauren, and lyrically she like,cause it on.
She's like mascara tears for good TV.

(01:35:27):
You don't even know what you did to me.
Oh really bro,
that is a bopper Rooney.
Okay, hold on.
Let me, let me let me just queue it up.
Together. Forget.
Forget her care.
You thought that you mightget the best of me.

(01:35:49):
You're wrong.
The truth comes out eventually.
I'm not sleeping with the enemy.
Do you know what you meant to me?
Let me refresh your memory. She.
Really?
Put me through it.
But I'm taking back the life you ruined.
So I'm thinking.

(01:36:10):
God, I didn't lose him.
Cause you didn't break my heart.
You did.
I want to forgive you.
I want to forgive like you.
Can you imagineif I had let you get under my skin?
And yet you are forgiven.
You rewrite the storywith your perfect ending.

(01:36:33):
So tell me,how could I be so easy to lose?
Even after everything that we,
Yeah.
Did, bro.
She literally so good.
She quoted Lauren.
Because remember how Lauren said, like,I want to,
I forgive you, but I wantI also want to forget you
I right after thethe scene that like do when they go

(01:36:54):
like, oh, you know what you did,you know what you did.
Didn't like 2 or 3 scenes later, Heidi
comes over to the apartmentand she and she brings her flowers.
And, Lord, you brought me flowers.
I like,
be and then she goes like, yeah,
like I want to forgive you,but I also want to forget you.
And then, like on the second verse,she goes, mascara, tears for good TV.

(01:37:14):
You don't even know what you did to me.
How? Remember when she, like Lauren,was crying with the black eye?
Back to your job.
Oh my God.
With the runny mascara.
I just
I would have never lose lostHeidi as a friend.
I thought Heidi was so cool and fun andlike if she wanted to go bop around me.
Marcy she could have did it.
Like I just think Lauren was so judgmentaland I know she was really young.

(01:37:37):
And so they were like, she sawherself, was trying to protect Heidi, but
again, Lauren's like,
avoidant attachment tendencies.
Like, I just don't like I hate them,I hate avoidance.
Yeah. So much. I just don't like it.
And so it's just so funnythat I love that song and how Heidi's
talking about, like, if I imagineif I would have listened to you

(01:38:00):
and let you get in our bed, like,where would Heidi's life be today?
She wouldn't have her kids.
She wouldn't have the life,the love of her life.
Like she literally married Spencer.They're still together. Yeah.
You know, I have two kids together. Yeah.
And I feel like they've been through thickand thin.
They went, they went.
They lived through her gettingall that judgment for her plastic surgery.

(01:38:21):
They lived throughlike every thing he stuck by her.
They their house burned down.
Now she's rebutting pop music.
That song, that animal song gets meso I can turn.
That is such a good song.
I haven't had a chance to, like,listen to her new stuff.
You need to listen to the new album.
It's all so good.
It's all like I can hear itblasting down Santa Monica in every bar.

(01:38:42):
It's so good. And I love that.
Like during like unfortunatelylike because of the whole like Cali fires,
I love that everybody was like,oh, you're making money
through these streams,like through our music.
All right.But like, let's give your puppy. Yeah.
I think when I streamed Heidi,I streamed Leighton Meester.
Like all of those artiststhat lost their homes with fires.

(01:39:02):
I was like, doing dayswhere I'd put it on.
Even if I was doing somethingelse, I'd mute it and just let it run.
Yeah, yeah.
And I love that even
people were like realizing that like,oh shit, this is actually really good.
And Heidi went on to Trisha Paytas podcastand was like, yeah,
I worked with like Acorn, I worked withlike all these like iconic people.
But since Ishe was painted as a villain at the time,

(01:39:25):
nobody wanted to give herlike the time of day.
And they're like, wait, what the fuck?
Like, you're a pop queen now, okay?
But you're a bitch to Lauren.
No, the fucking music rocks. Yeah.
And like, it's a really.
We need to have a Heidi Montag summer.
Yes. I want to have a what I you what?
I tell my friendsthat were also streamers.
I was like,I want to have a Jersey shore somewhere.
Okay?
We can watch the Jersey shoreover and over with you.

(01:39:47):
Like, those are my my gay streams friends.
Like I'll be Jersey shore with them.I'll be Heidi with you.
Okay?
We'll be Y2K together. Yay!
Thank you.
She thanks for coming on the podcast,dude.
Thank you for having me.This was so much fun.
You have to come back.We have to talk more.
We have to talk about Laguna.We're going to do Laguna next.
Laguna is next.I think the audience is going to want it.
Everyone loves Laguna.

(01:40:07):
Staring at the blank pagebefore you open up the dirty window.
Let the sun illuminate the woods.
Whenever that theme song comes on
I just like it's why you can't helpbut like, be screaming it on the couch.
No one else can feel it.
Only you can let it.

(01:40:28):
No one else.
No one else can speak ofwhat's gonna happen when it's not spoke.
Live your life with eyes wide open. Today.
Yes, I know.
No one else can feel it for you.
Only you can let it in.
No one else.

(01:40:48):
No one else can speakthe words on your list.
This time it was the liveyour life with eyes wide open.
Today is where your book begins.
The rest is still unwritten.
Is still unwritten.

(01:41:14):
I. And that's a wrap on this week'sepisode of Meet My Friends.
Huge love to Charlie Rojasfor bringing the bisexual yearning,
Scorpio flare and the LC versus Heididiscourse that truly matters.
We'll be back next weekwith even more Pride Month magic,

(01:41:35):
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Thanks for tuning in.
so I actually heard a rumor
that they're filming a reality showabout their rebuild efforts from the fire.

(01:42:21):
Oh, isn't it great? What is it?
Where would it be streaminglike on YouTube?
I don't know, it depends onmaybe it depends if they're doing,
like what they did for Princess of Malibuand they have a production team,
they're going to turn aroundtrying to sell it after.
Or if if there's a production companyor network already behind it.
But if they were smart, Hulu would do itbecause Hulu has been building
their reality TV inventoryand they've been kind of killing it.

(01:42:43):
Didn't they buy out the Kardashiansand that's where they ran.
Yeah, they did, but I don't watch that.
Same Peacock is great too, though.
If Peacock got them,that would be pretty killer Peacock.
What are even paramount?
Well, Paramountshould because they're associated with
MTV in that, but I'd actually don't knowif they'd work with MTV again.
Oh yeah, there's kind of some beef

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