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October 28, 2025 57 mins

Is secular humanism a distortion of an older conservative humanism? And why are conservatives so obsessed with international trade?

The French Enlightenment philosopher Montesquieu argued that international trade promotes peace. He called it doux commerce, gentle commerce. 

In what sense is this a conservative idea?

Fascinating and somewhat subversive discussion with Alexander Rosenthal-Pubul! 

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In this episode of Concepts, host Shawn Whatley interviews Dr. Alexander Rosenthal-Pubul about his co-authored book 'The Wisdom of Our Ancestors: Conservative Humanism and the Western Tradition.' They discuss the evolution and definition of conservatism, its distinction from classical liberalism, and its intersection with nationalism and universalism. Dr. Rosenthal-Pubul offers insights on ancient versus modern liberty, the cultural impact of the Enlightenment, and the importance of maintaining humanism in education and society. This thought-provoking discussion delves into pressing issues in the conservative intellectual movement and the challenges of upholding a coherent conservative philosophy in contemporary times.

00:00 Introduction to Conservatism and Classical Liberalism

00:07 Enlightenment Ideas and Commerce

01:16 Introduction of Dr. Alexander Rosenthal-Pubul

01:38 Discussion on 'The Wisdom of Our Ancestors'

02:07 Nationalism vs. Universalism

02:21 Commerce and Conservatism

07:40 Classical Liberalism and Conservatism

09:49 Defining Conservatism

12:32 Education and Tradition

16:26 Universalism vs. Particularism

21:46 Nationalism and Post-Liberalism

28:43 Liberty and Coercion

32:17 Harmonizing Virtue and Liberty

33:28 The Paradox of Freedom and Rationality

34:29 The Enlightenment's Optimism and Its Limits

35:16 The Role of Culture in Human Behaviour

36:06 Balancing Enlightenment and Conservatism

40:11 The Evolution of Humanism

42:00 Classical, Christian, and Modern Humanism

46:01 The Instrumental View of Knowledge

50:42 Conservatism's Cultural Crisis

53:48 Final Thoughts on Conservatism and the West

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