October 21, 2024 • 63 mins
In this episode, I welcome Stella Gold. Stella shares their unique cultural background, and they talk about their recent trip to the Philippines, which was an emotional journey of reconnecting with their heritage. Stella also discusses their career journey, from salary negotiation and financial literacy to becoming a rebirth and wealth coach. They delve into the emotional side of finances, the impact of capitalism, and the importance of community and mutual aid.
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Stella Gold (they/them) is a Rebirth + Wealth Coach for changemakers and comes from a lineage of activists. Their ancestors are filipinx, romanian jewish, scottish, irish, chinese, italian, iranian, french, german, british, and likely so much more. They are the founder of My Gold Standard, a believer in wealth activism, pro liberation from all oppressive systems, and collective care. They hold values and beliefs in abolitionism, anarchism, decolonization, collective and ancestral liberation, and leftism. My Gold Standard's work is a blend of wealth and business coaching from a decolonial anticapitalist lens, grief and death work, and spirituality. What they are truly about is resourcing ourselves & the collective in creating a more just and liberated world, and rebirthing a new way forward.
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Hi, everyone.
Welcome to conversations with yourChinese Auntie, YiYi that's me.
I hope you're doing well.
And in the west, we are, settlinginto the Fall and cooler weather.
In this episode.
I talked to Stella, Gold Stella.
Is a rebirth and wealthcoach for Changemakers.
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They come from a lineage of activists.
In this episode, Stella sharetheir unique cultural background.
. They also share their recenttrip to the Philippines.
Stella also discussestheir career journey.
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. Hello, Stella.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm very good today.
Oh, good.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you.
Please introduce yourself.
Yeah, my name is professionallyand creatively Stella Gold.
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However, my birth name and ancestralname is Danielle Rose Gregorio McGee.
Yeah, so I have ancestral rootsfrom the Philippines and, um,
being a Philippine ancestry isjust culturally how I was raised.
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Um, my mom's side is, uh, based in Iloilo.
So technically, I guessI would say I'm Ilongo.
of Ilongo diaspora on that side, andthen, um, also have Chinese ancestry.
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And then, on my dad's side, it'squite mixed, um, it is, I am Scots
Irish, I have a little bit of, like,British, and then I also have Iranian,
I have, um, Ashkenazi Jewish, um,so Jewish Romanian specifically,
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Romanian and Ukrainian, uh, oh my gosh.
What else do I have?
Like German, French,very mixed, very mixed.
And my pronouns, so I do identify asqueer and my pronouns are they and them.
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Thank you.
Have you been to the Philippines at all?
I have.
I was actually justthere earlier this year.
Um, it was my first timeback since I was And
that was also the first time mymom went back, uh, since, I mean,
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I think she went back in like 1996.
Yeah.
And hadn't been back since.
So we all came together in January.
Oh, how was it?
I'm sure meeting like big family members.
Yeah, so we've kept in touch with familyand they've visited us, so it was really
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nice to deepen that relationship, um,but, and there was also a lot of grief.
I feel like since it was a homecoming anda return back to the motherland, like,
I certainly grieved because althoughI can understand, um, the dialect.
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I could not speak it.
And there were certain thingsthough that were coming back to me,
certain words, certain expressions.
And it was interesting because mymom moved or immigrated to the US
in I think 80, 19 88, maybe 1987.
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I can't remember the specific date.
And then she had me in 1991.
So I feel like.
While I was growing up, shewas still very much connected
to her roots and her culture.
And then over time, I think, you know, herjourney of assimilating and surviving here
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in the United States, a lot was forgotten.
And so coming to the Philippines,especially like with my mom and seeing
how we were both remembering thingsand then having grief, knowing that
We had forgotten it for so long.
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It was really, it was hard.
It was difficult.
And it was also like so beautiful andnecessary and messy and, you know,
very much a human life experience.
Oh, definitely.
Do you identify a lot with that culture?
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Yeah, so, with my dad's side, I, therewasn't really a lot of culture there.
Um,
it was, I mean, I'm trying tothink back now, reflecting,
like, what was his own culture?
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Um, but it was just, and I can't evensay it was, like, American culture,
because He didn't have any sort of, Iguess he was Christian, kind of, not
really wasn't practicing, um, but Iknow he grew up in a Christian household
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and same with like my grandmother.
So she, um, was raised, born and raised.
As Jewish, like, practiced Judaism,and then she fell in love with my gram
my grandpa, who was Christian, andthen she converted, and that was she
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was completely disowned by the family.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, because of that, therewasn't we didn't really have I
don't know, like, there wasn'treally, like, a culture, whether
it be, like, religion or even food.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or, you know, it felt like she also losther culture, and there was like a lot of
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grief there, and I think that's why, like,when my dad and mom got together, my mom
was so connected to her culture, and somy dad just kinda was like the, you know,
quiet, more to himself, like, white man.
And my mom was like Definitely the loudand proud and, um, strong personality,
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um, and her culture definitelywas more present in our family.
So I, I feel like I wasraised as Filipino for sure.
Mm.
That was going to be my nextquestion, like, did she cook the food?
Did she?
Yeah.
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Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oftentimes.
Yeah, well, no, because oftentimeswhen we assimilate, we give up a
lot of the culture, the practices.
Oh, so great that she had that impact.
Yeah, yeah, I'm very grateful.
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She, I think the language wasthe one thing that left her
eventually, um, over time as sheassimilated in the United States.
She just wasn't speaking it,really, unless she was talking to
family, um, back in the Philippines.
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Or when we'd be at family gatherings,it'd be, like, the first time in months
that I would hear her speak the language.
Whereas, like, in the beginning,growing up, she was speaking it all
the time, and that's why, like, mebeing able to speak a little bit, like,
conversationally, but understandinga lot, was very present as a child.
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And then as I grew up, it's just like,both of us, kind of, the language
got lost and the assimilation overtime, you know, became more prominent.
However, the food never got lost.
That was something that, like,always brought family together
and it was a way to connect to ourheritage and our culture together.
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But it brings people together.
It does.
Especially in the Asian culture, I find.
Yeah, it really, it really does.
I'd love to hear about, before I askyou this, how did you come up with
Stella Goh for your professional name?
Yeah, that is um, quite the story.
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So,
I'll like go back to So Stella Goldwas like this persona in my life even
before there was a name for that persona.
Uh,
I always had this like
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ethereal energy in my life as thisperson that would come and soothe me.
Like it was like I would kind of AnytimeI went through any discomfort and needed
to parent myself, I would reach forthis energy, this maternal, parental
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type of, I don't know, wise, soul like,Being and it would just be a, uh, a
vision I would have like growing up.
So I kind of alwayscarried that within me.
Um, but then, so in 2015, my dad,unexpectedly, he passed away.
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And from that point, the grief, Iwas so grief stricken that I felt it.
I felt so, I felt so lost from joy, solost from my vitality, like I just, I
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was extremely depressed and grievingand anything that you could expect
after losing a parent unexpectedly.
And I was very young, so I was 24.
Yeah.
And so, my cousin and I, and my partner,We, he died in November of 2015, and I
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stayed in the Bay Area to, like, handleall the financial, like, government,
funerals, affairs, stuff like that.
And I didn't come back to New York untilMarch, so I had spent a lot of time away.
And once, like, spring happensin New York, which is where I
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was living at the time, um, NewYork just becomes really active.
And so my cousin invitedme to Coney Island.
Um, it wasn't a time where it was warmenough to go to the beach, but it was
nice enough to enjoy the outdoors.
And there was a, like, witchytype spiritual event, um,
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that she invited me to.
And so I got there and Iwas like, Oh, this is cool.
Like I wasn't really connectedto my spirituality then as well.
Uh, so when I got there, I saw thiswitch that was doing like tarot for 25.
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And honestly, I was.
Just down.
I was like, you know what,like, I've never done tarot
before, I'm, I'm down to try it.
And we kind of went into it like, we'rejust doing this for fun, you know, not,
not even knowing the ancestral roots oftarot as well, you know, how, I, I just
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had no idea the history behind tarot,how it's connected to the Romani people,
and like, I just, completely clueless.
And just went into itlike, oh, this is fun.
And then when I did it, uh, andhad and she gave me the spread She
immediately was like, here's the card.
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It's the The swords card of swords.
I i'm not fluent in tarot stillbut um, it's the card where It's
the person is being there's likeall these swords going into it.
Um, And she was like, this is yourpast You And she's like, you're
grieving, and like, I feel likeyou're grieving a paternal figure.
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And she's like, did yourfather die recently?
And I'm like, oh hell no.
Oh yeah, I was just like,
there's no way.
And then she pulled another card,which was, I wish I had like the
visual, I did take a picture.
But essentially shepulled all these cards.
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She's like, this is whereyou're at right now.
This is where you're, where you're movingthrough, but who you're meant to be.
And she pulled the nextcard and it was the star.
And so Stella means star.
And that's where I got the Stella part.
And then months later, I am starting tobecome very obsessed with the stories
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of Freddie Mercury and Nina Simone.
Those are not their real names.
Um, and I'm like, youknow, I want to have.
this creative persona that I canembody, um, that makes me feel really
powerful and strong and confident.
And I'm like, oh, maybe I'llname myself Stella, but I'm
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like, but what's the last name?
And I was thinking abouthoney and how honey is this,
because I'm a big fan of bees.
Um, honey is liquid gold, I mean it canbe used as salve, um, it never expires, so
like, if we happen to have like a zombieapocalypse, um, and we need to store some
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honey, and use it for trade in the future,um, it would be the perfect, like, it
can, it's an antiseptic, it can be usedas like a bandage, it's, it's Really this
and it's very nutritious and they actuallyfound honey in the ancient Egypt pyramids.
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I mean, that's just wild to me.
And so I was like, Ooh, I love honey.
And I like that it comes frombees that work together in the
hive and they produce this honey.
And so I'm like liquid gold.
And I was like, boom, Stella gold.
And I just thought thatname sounded so cool,
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and that's how Stella Gold was birthed.
It was on a bus, I was going from, uh,Manhattan to Astoria, Queens, and I
was sitting on the bus looking at theNew York skyline, and I was just like,
Stella, Stella, Stella, boom, Stella Gold.
That's, that's who I am now.
I love that.
Thanks for sharing the story.
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I know it was very long.
I was like, it's a long story.
I love it, and I love tarot, soyou are speaking my language.
Okay, so you know whatcard I was talking about.
Yeah, I wonder whether you hadthe, uh, in the spread, the tower,
the one where people were, itseems like people are jumping off.
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I will look at it after toconfirm, but I know I got the star.
I got the swords.
I got the world.
Oh, a lot of the major cards.
Yeah, I don't remember what was.
in the middle.
That's the one that,yeah, I can't remember.
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The tower card, a lot of people areafraid of it because it looked quite
chaotic, but it's, it can also signifydeath, rebirth, which is just my jam.
No, the, the year before myfather died in March, that year
I took, I took a tarot course.
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And
I think like three weeks in arow, I kept pulling the towel
card and I was like, wow, uh huh.
Yeah, maybe I get it.
I get the message.
I was like, do I really want to know?
I don't know, but it's nothing tobe afraid of, you know, it's just.
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I love tarot.
I love the, yeah, I remember in mytwenties, I saw a card and a palm,
you know, and I always love delvinginto these things because oftentimes
people will ask me friends, clients,and I say, It's a great tool.
You don't live your life accordingto it, but it's good to know.
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I would love to hear about your,your career journey and leading into
what you're doing now, you know,which is a rebirth and wealth coach.
Tell us more about that.
Speaking of the tower card and rebirth,
um, so actually I I have also had quitethe journey with my career, also was
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birthed from my grief with my dad.
So, you know, after he died, I hadto handle all the financial stuff
because Money was such a, and stillis, this huge taboo, especially
when you are discussing it around.
Um, I just, I saw the fear and feltthe scarcity from my mom, who now was
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a single income You know, household,still putting my sibling through college.
Um, I was already, you know,financially independent from her.
But she was, like, assuming that I knewthe ins and outs of financial literacy.
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And what was terrifying, but alsohilarious, is she gave me all this
paperwork and, you know, was like,oh, can you, like, explain this to me?
Like, I don't know what this is.
And she's like, well, what do youmean you don't know what this is?
Like, what do they, don'tthey teach you this in school?
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And I'm like, no, they actually donot teach us any of this in school.
That's terrifying, and I went through, Ithink it was honestly an obsessive rabbit
hole of research, fueled by grief andanxiety and anger about the injustice
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under this economic system, oppressiveand economic system that we live in.
And seeing how my mom wasbeing, and my father too, um,
being oppressed through it.
And so on top of that, like, Idon't know why I decided to watch
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the big short during that time.
But I watched that movie, which is a truestory, and now everything came together,
when I was, like, reflecting back in2008, what my family was going through,
and the fear they had, and I was like, ohmy goodness, this was completely, like,
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intentionally done with the full knowledgethat this was going to affect Millions of
people in the United States and outsideof the United States, because the U.
S.
economy is very It has a bigimpact in the global economy.
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So that it started there where I becamevery fixated on how do I beat this system?
And I did that through wealthadvocacy in the workplace.
So, um, I started with like helping peoplesalary negotiate, um, career coaching.
I volunteered and then endedup working with an organization
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called ladies get paid.
And this was when I was in New York.
And they also were experiencing
oppression and marginalizationby men that felt very threatened.
Like they actually got sued by amale, a men's rights activist group.
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Yeah, it's, it's wild.
That actually, if anyone's listeningto this, Look up ladies get paid
lawsuit and you will see that therewas a men's rights activist group that
sued them for gender discrimination.
Because they're like, men have to getpaid equally too, and like, men should be
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able to come to any type of event, evenif it's only for quote unquote women.
It was wild.
Anyways, so, I, um, supported themthrough that campaign, and luckily, they
were able to, um, settle the lawsuit.
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I mean, I don't know if it's luckily,but it's good that it didn't get any
worse from there, and they leveragedthe support of community care, right?
And then I realized that a lot of thepeople that I was supporting would be
like, Okay, I got a raise, but now what?
I don't know what to do with this money,so I guess I'm just gonna spend it.
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And then they started feelinglike they didn't see the money.
And we did this partnership with thisother company and, uh, they're like
a FinTech, um, and, or at the time,it was a financial wellness FinTech
company in New York, um, and I'm notgonna name them because I left for very
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good reasons, um, but this company, Iwill say, taught me the ins and outs of
financial literacy and financial wellness.
So I will give them that credit that Iwas very much aligned with their mission.
I learned a lot from that experienceand I really did life changing work.
So I became very passionate aboutfinancial literacy as activism
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and really believe that once youbecome financially literate, that
that's how you escape capitalism.
That's how you beat the system.
And that company, it endedup being a really toxic and
unhealthy work environment.
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Um, it was a startup.
So if you hear any You know,horror stories of startup culture.
It definitely existed in this place.
Um, and it was not values aligned with me.
And it also had this nextstep that was missing.
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So I started with salary negotiation,but then there was the issue of these
people didn't know how to manage theirfinances and weren't financially literate.
Went to this company, solved that.
I'm like, cool, I helped themget a raise and I teach them
how to manage their money.
But then behaviorally, they werenot understanding that there's
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a lot of emotions that areattached to money and finance.
And so even though they had the Theins and outs and the to dos, they
were anxiety stricken, and scared,and feeling overwhelmed, and really
activated, um, and nervous systemwas just all over the place, so they
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just shut down and not do any of it.
And, and that's absolutely understandable,because money is so connected to
It's connected to so much,especially the emotional side
and also the intersectionalitywas missing at this company.
And so I decided to start my own wealthcoaching and financial literacy business.
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And I did that for the last three years.
Um, and I'm still doing that, butI did go through an experience last
year where I realized that you can'tescape capitalism and oppression,
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even if you know everything, becausethis is the system that we live in.
And I think I grievedthat and had to shut down.
I shut down my business andwent on sabbatical because.
I was like teaching all of my clientsto, to do all of these things and they
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were doing it, but then COVID happenedand we saw how intense the economic
suffering and disparity from thatalso caused like in their own lives.
You know, mass layoffs happening,um, financial scarcity and
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a lot of job insecurity.
So they would get a job with them.
They'd get laid off againbecause the economy was just so,
and then the SVB, Silicon Valleybank, um, failure happened.
And I remember thinking whenthey, all the banks came together.
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To like basically did the socialistthing and was like, we're gonna
like pull our resources and stopthis bank failure from happening on
top of leveraging insurance, right?
And I just was like, oh, this is Thisis a circus and they're not impacted,
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but who's going to be impacted?
Small businesses, who'sgoing to be impacted?
Employee, like everydayemployees, the working class,
they're going to be impacted.
And I saw that with my clients.
And I think like I had one client straightup asked me, like, is there ever going
to, like, can I actually like escape this?
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Like, I'm so tired of being oppressed.
And I just, I was like,no, like you can't.
And I'm realizing that this is.
This is not this is not that so after Iwent on this break took my sabbatical at
the end of it I realized just because youcan't escape the system doesn't mean that
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The tools that we have the knowledge andeducation that we have it's not invaluable
like it still has value and we can stillsupport one another and I So I'm kind of
coming back to what I thought I wouldn'tcome back to, but going through a rebirth
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on how I identify it, with it.
And so that's why I, I still keepthe wealth coach part, because
I think money is so important.
I mean, it's a resource forall, or should be for all.
And the wealth activism part, the activismpart of financial literacy, It just, I
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can't let go of it, I don't know why.
I love what you said aboutthe oppression, right?
It's
it's there, it's in the system, , mostof my clients are women of color, and I,
I do talk about capitalism, I talk aboutsocial justice, I talk about oppression,
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racism with these clients, right?
And sometimes clients will sayto me, Will racism ever go away?
And I'm like, I'm like, I wish, Iwish I can say yes, but with the
system that we live in that existsright now, you have to do what you
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need to do to survive that part.
And you need to find community, yourpeople who can support you when things
are difficult, you know, becausethere can be so much despair when
you find me and you, you say thatgreed, when you finally recognize.
Oh, wait a minute.
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This is not going anywhere whilethe people in power will continue
to take advantage for those whodon't have as much privilege.
It's just so much grief.
Oh, I'm still moving through it.
Yeah.
It's so, I mean, for example, talkingabout racism, right, like we are seeing
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more visibility for BIPOC people.
For example, I remember like, My clientsthat I worked with were getting promoted,
they were being directors, even VPs,like, they were climbing the corporate
ladder, thinking that, oh, now I madeit to the top, and I'm, you know, a
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woman of color, or I'm a queer person,or I'm this or I'm that, you know,
any sort of strategically undervalued
type of person in this,in this type of system.
They make it to the top, and theyare still experiencing the racism
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and oppression, the homophobia, thetransphobia, like, it doesn't go away.
And, and then, you know, movingthrough that grief of like, yeah,
it doesn't matter where you're on,where you are on the corporate ladder,
you're on the ladder that stinks.
You're on a ladder that's shitty.
It wasn't built for you and mine.
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It doesn't matter if you're going up,you know, if it's, if it's foundation
is, is cruel and yeah, it's just,
I want to burn it down.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's burn it all down and rebuild.
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I mean, funny, not funny, but sometimesWhen I talk to close friends, you know,
when we look at climate change and whatwe're doing to, you know, nature, I'm
like, mother nature is not happy with us.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised ifone day she's just like, okay, we're
just going to rebuild because look atwhat we're doing as humans, everything,
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you know, not just, not just withwhat we're doing to nature in a sense
of, you know, overuse of resources,but also like capitalism greed.
Extraction.
Extraction.
Let's burn it down.
When are we meeting?
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Let's do it.
Let's plan it.
And I see, I see it happening.
I mean, people have been embodyingthat within their activism and
doing a lot of necessary good work.
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Just like you said, and coming fullcircle, it might mean that we still
have to do it under a system where we'reoppressed, but it's how we resist it.
It's how we dismantle it.
And I, I think that that, I will saythat, like, I definitely had that
moment of despair and hopelessness.
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And there is, it's still, there'sstill elements of that within me.
That's part of grief.
Um, but I feel like I have my vitalityback, my mission and intention back,
the impact that I want to make back,like, and I think a lot of people,
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they resist regardless
of how it ends up in the end.
Because at least you can stillbe connected to your dignity,
to your integrity, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
A hundred percent, because Ithink oftentimes when I talk to
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clients who are feeling despair,
Again, I often say to them, I don'thave the miracle answer, but you do what
you do, you got to just, you got to dowhat you need to do, you know, whether,
especially when you talk about socialjustice, whether you're the one that
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is going to the marches, whether you'rebreaking down the system by taking a
stand or whether you're the one who showup and bring food for everybody who's
organizing, because We all, each of ushave a role and not all of us need to be
upfront and be loud because some peopledon't have that personality, right?
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So you just need to do what you need to dofirst to feel, to make sure you're safe.
And two, so that you feellike you're doing something.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's um, when you, when you sharethe one about the ladies get paid lawsuit.
Mm-Hmm.
. It reminded me, I was just sittinghere, I was just like, oh, really?
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It reminded me, I think in the earlynineties there was a, where I was
living at that time, uh, somebodyopened a women only gym for ladies only.
Hmm.
White dude decided to sue them.
Oh my gosh.
I can't remember.
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I can't remember what happened.
I don't think anything came out ofit because it got on the news and da
da da da da, but he was pissed offthat, um, why he can't go to the gym.
So many other gyms thatyou can go to, my guy.
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Will you share with your experienceworking with clients I would love to
hear more about the emotional sideof finances, either what you see with
clients or what you wish we know.
What do you want us to know,the listeners, to know about
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emotions and money and finances?
I think that because peopleculturally, like how money has
been A symbol in our culture.
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It has been the symbol that is justso logical and so physical and a
lot of people, I think, detach.
I mean, I think culturally it is detached.
We're just like, oh, money ismoney or you know how people say
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like, oh, that's just business.
You know, don't don'tget emotional about it.
We're just doing business.
That's business.
It's like, oh, I made a business decision.
It's like, people get laid off and haveincome insecurity and lose everything.
It's like, oh, it's just business.
It's nothing personal.
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It's like, it is personal, actually.
It is very personal.
And I think that, like, what Iwish that people would know is that
It's them and not you, like the systemthat like whether you're feeling like
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distress or anxiety about money or feelinglike maybe you are in this place where
you are educated financially, but like thebehavior hasn't caught up with that yet.
And the behavior is beingimpacted because you may have
some sort of financial trauma.
Um, you could have grown up.
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In poverty or experienced immensescarcity, even generationally, let's say
like you didn't experience that, but ifyour family, like your mom, your parents,
or their parents experienced that, we nowhave studies that show, research that show
that generational trauma is inherited.
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So money, and money hasbeen around for centuries.
And maybe not in the way that wesee it now, but just the concept of
money has been around for centuries.
And so of course we're gonna haveWe're going to inherit all of these,
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a lot of baggage around money, Iguess is what I'm trying to say.
That's great advice.
My, my, um, my parents, so I thinkespecially my dad used to say,
money, yes, we need money to survive,just because of the society, but
he, my dad was a devoted Buddhist.
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Very, very wise, and alsoreally about life as a thing.
So his, his view on money wasalways, we can't take it with us.
And he was a very kind person.
So he was like, share it when you canhelp out your people, your community,
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but he said, also trying not to getso attached to it because when you
die, you can't take it with you.
So don't hang on to it, but dear life.
And I, I look at that and I'm like,yeah, it's really sound because my dad
was one of those people who give youthe last 2 in his wallet if you need it.
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Because he, he always believedthat he'll come, he'll come again.
That is very, very Buddhist thinking.
Yeah.
And, and just like, that was another,um, when I went on my sabbatical, I
really, I learned that concept from.
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spending time in Vietnam.
They actually even had the architectureof their homes flow in a certain way where
they would make sure that this sectionhad like airway and airflow because they
want to attract abundance coming in, butthey also know that it has to go out to
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come back, that it has to be so cyclical.
Because that is the way of nature, andI just love that, that is something that
your father also did too, maybe like hedidn't see it that way, I don't know, but,
or maybe, maybe, I'm also curious how youviewed it, watching him do that, um, but
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it was something I was so fascinated by,because this was like, oh my gosh, like,
ancient, ancient, ancient, Very old, oldarchitecture like that was implemented
and they had it money wasn't cash yet.
I think maybe it was coins at that time,but I'm not entirely certain, but they had
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they had their own concept of money andwealth and they knew that you have to let
it go for it to for also you to receive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, when you talk aboutintergenerational trauma, you know,
my dad definitely had that eventhough he believed in that, that it
has to be that it flows, it comes in,it goes out, you have to share it.
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He also, he was also quite, he alsoat the back of his head, his mind, he
was, there was a sense of protection.
Because he was also the oldestson, he had to look after the
family's finances, stuff like that.
It's interesting when you share thatabout the Vietnam Architect, um, in
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ancient Chinese, uh, houses, likethe courthouses, the, the empress.
Ah, the word is It's just, it's not comingin, but it's just like those palaces.
Everything is built.
Everything was built, theairflow, things would flow.
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It was always open spaces.
Yeah.
The door would open in, especially yousee, you watch those movies or when you
read those ancient books, these paintpictures of these big compounds and the
door would open into these big compounds.
There was always lush greenery, but then.
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It will flow, the roofs are open ina sense because nothing is boxed in.
And it's interesting, right?
Because when you apply that tolife, when we allow things to
flow, there's less restriction.
Absolutely.
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I like that word that youeven used is restriction.
I think that Again, culturally, how moneyand capitalism, it's been extraction.
And then the next step is restriction.
So it's like, we're going to takeeverything, the, like all of it until
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it's last bits, until everything is ours.
And we're going to restrictit and, and create a scarcity
that does not actually exist.
A human made scarcity, sowe can control the masses.
And I think that, like, that restrictionis so real, and I don't think people
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understand that when they're feeling thatanxiety or emotions are coming up, or,
you know, why do I feel so much scarcity?
Even when they have enough, it'sbecause we've been conditioned to
believe that there is never enough.
You know what I mean?
And so, I think restriction is such a,it's such a good word to describe that.
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And, and I love that.
When you really strip down back to ourancestral roots and, like, re indigenize
our relationship with money and wealthand nature and, and all forms of wealth,
like the wealth of community, thewealth of, like, your body and, like,
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your mental wealth, your spiritualwealth, you come to realize that, like,
it needs to flow.
It needs to You have to give to receiveand you and and you have to receive
also and and to give as well because Ithink a lot of people also are afraid of
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receiving because they're not used to it.
Right.
So, yeah, I think it's our, Ilove our cultures like when you
really go back to its roots.
Like my Philippine ancestry, um, theywere so, so wealthy, had so much gold,
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like completely dress themselves tothe nines, like, and all of this gold
and, um, they had their own version of,like, tattoo, um, tuk tuk, um, and they
did a lot of, like, body modificationand it just, They lived so wealthy.
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And so that's another thing I wouldlove people to take away from.
It's like, your ancestors were wealthy.
Like, capitalism isn't, it's new.
It's like a newer wayof being with wealth.
And in a way I don't think it is wealth.
It's, it is restriction and extraction.
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But before that, wealth truly existedand our ancestors were abundant.
Yeah, and our ancestorslooked at wealth different.
They did, yeah.
You know, wealth could be, oh, mygarden is flourishing this year, so I
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have enough fruits and vegetables toshare with my family and my community.
I can't remember what book I was reading,but it was about financial, uh, literalist
literacy and generational trauma.
And this author wrote about, youcan almost pinpoint in most of
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the developing countries, you canpinpoint when colonization came in.
Yeah.
Capitalism started scarcity.
I love that you brought the part aboutour ancestors, they had abundance.
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And now in this Western world, thescarcity belief I always believe that
the rich can save the world, if theywant to, but they're hoarding the
money and they're not getting it.
That's the holding because thenthey can cause restriction.
We look at how fast whenNotre Dame burned down.
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Oh yeah.
Look what happened there.
Look what happened there.
Money could be.
It was raised.
It was within 24, 48 hoursto raise enough money.
Yeah.
And those are the donationswere from the wealthy
and if I if we could in where Ilive in Vancouver, we have a really,
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really heartbreaking homelesssituation like there's a part of
Vancouver, the homelessness is quitebad and I was talking to a client
many many years ago, he said to me.
If only all the rich billionaires andmillionaires would put up the money, we
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could put these people into housing, getthem mental health care and feed them.
And I was like, it's true, you know,but the system is not supporting that.
Yeah.
I mean, my response to that wouldbe like, and they never will.
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They won't.
If they, like you said, if they wantedto, they, they would have already.
But they don't value human life unlessthey can take something from it, and right
now they're benefiting from oppression.
So in my, in my sad, grieving opinion, itis, and, and, and I'm, I'm furious to say
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it, but I'm like, they're not going to.
They never will.
If they, if they,
they would have already doneso at this point, right?
So it's like, so what are we left with?
If we finally accept that no one is goingto save us, we just have each other.
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And I think that's morepowerful, actually.
Um, wealth redistribution is somethingI practice within my business.
I teach others how topractice it, mutual aid.
Um, and I also have my own, like, I'mpart of a wealth redistribution circle.
So I know you're in Vancouver.
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Um, the, like, I became a trauma of money.
Facilitator, this was In 2021, I believe,maybe 2022, um, and they're based in
the founders based in Vancouver, Ithink, um, and so a lot of, a lot of
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that disparity was, was talked about,like the house, the housing crisis.
That's also very.
Present in Vancouver and, and in Canada.
Um, even, even with some elements of,you know, quote unquote free healthcare.
I know it comes with lots ofbarriers, same with the education.
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It's like, I have friends that they'relike, yeah, I have free healthcare, but
I can't see my doctor for six months.
So, I mean, there's just,
I don't know, we, when I learned thisconcept of wealth redistribution.
I think there's is two sides of it.
I see that I can see that thereare people that are redistributing
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money, but it's not wealthy yet.
It's like they're doing it becauseit's it is aligned with their values.
That's why they're doing it.
However, it's like no, butlike wealth redistribution
means you have overflow, right?
So put your, how do they say it?
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Like put your mask onfirst, like to breathe.
It's like, Like when you'reon the airplane, right?
So I'm trying to, like, teach that, andalso embody that myself, cause sometimes,
I, that's what I inherited from my mom.
She was a financial martyr.
Like, she would give and giveand give when she didn't have the
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financial capacity to do that.
Um, and so I had to kind of belike, you need to reel it back.
Like, you're not a twoperson household income now.
Two person income household.
Um, And I had to be like and I needto reel it back because I don't, I
need to have my needs met before Itry to supply and resource others.
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I need to be, I have to have mycup full, um, because I do think
it is in the responsibility offolks that do have overflow.
It doesn't mean that you need to be richin the sense of like a billionaire or
even a millionaire, you multi millionaire.
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But it does mean that you shouldhave your needs met first.
So it's, it's like both, Imean, it's a balance for sure.
But again, it's like, it's theconcept of letting it flow out.
So you can also receive and keep the.
The circular economy going.
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Yeah, I'm aware of the time.
What do you do for fun?
What do I do for fun?
Oh my gosh.
Um, I do lots of things for fun.
I play video games.
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I free dive.
I do Muay Thai.
I, what else do I do?
I think those are like, I, I paint, I doart, I write, but I feel like painting
and art is not really for fun for me,it's for me to have an outlet, whereas
like, The other, like free diving, videogames, Muay Thai, maybe a little bit of
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Muay Thai is also an outlet for like mypent up rage, but it is fun, so, yeah.
Well, what is free dive?
Free diving, so it's, you know scubadiving, you have this oxygen tank.
Um, free diving is you learn howto not need all of that gear.
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You learn how to hold your breath, um,increase your carbon dioxide, your CO2
tolerance, um, and you also learn how toequalize your ears because you know when
you go deeper and deeper, Your ears, thepressure, you have to like equalize and
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pop your ears so you can acclimate tothe different atmospheres that you enter.
Yeah, I know.
It's very nerdy actually.
There's a lot of sciencethat goes into it.
Um, but free diving has beenI would say this year has been
like the center of my universe.
Like I learned it in the Philippines.
Um, it's also very ancestrally connected.
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All folks in the Philippines, especiallyFolks that were on the coast were
natural free divers, because they hadto be to forage for food, you know,
they didn't have a scuba tank, likethey didn't have all this technology,
but what they didn't learn wasthat you could equalize your ears.
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So a lot of the Bajau people, um, theyare still, I don't know where, They're
kind of all over Southeast Asia, um,but just speaking to the community in
the Philippines, um, the Bajau people,they didn't know that you could equalize
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properly, so they just Go they basicallyteach like you just go as deep as you
can until your ears pop and then now youwon't have to deal with that so they a
lot of them actually are hearing impaired.
And so now we have, um, like my freediving two of my free diving coaches.
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They go to these villages toteach them like hey actually
you don't have to like go deaf.
Um, there's ways thatyou could avoid that.
And it's really, reallyamazing to see that work.
And yeah, anyways, I love free diving.
I could talk about it so much nonstop.
That is, that has been the center ofmy universe this, this year, for sure.
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That's amazing.
I'm going to look into it.
I did not know that.
Two more questions.
If you are not doing whatyou're doing right now for
career, what would you be doing?
A whole different career.
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Oh, I have three that come tomind, but I'll speak to, I'll
speak to two of them, actually.
Um, so this is just career focused, right?
Okay.
Maybe actually I do have one in mind.
So career wise, because theother two I would do regardless
if it were my career or not.
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Um, but this one is I would loveto become a marine biologist.
Um, and even like take it a step furtherand become an oceanographer, that has
also been like an obsession of mine.
Um, and I've always wanted to be amarine biologist ever since I was a kid.
I just was told that there's no money inmarine biology and that is kind of true.
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Um, but it's also not,not, or it's also not true.
Like there's, there's ways that you can.
You know, figure it out.
And I think that had I known that I wouldhave gone all the way to get like my PhD,
probably, but who knows, maybe that stillcould be another career that I have.
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I'm not saying that I won't do that.
I actually, um, moving to Hawaii.
So my partner is from here.
Um, It was enticing to me aswell because I'm like, Oh,
they have marine conservation.
One is a huge need and theyhave an incredible school
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here that specializes in that.
So it's on the back of my mind thatI might integrate an additional
career to the work that I do as arebirth and wealth coach as well.
Oh, I love that.
It's never too late.
It's never too late.
Last question for you.
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If
someone comes to you and they'restruggling with finances,
what would you say to them?
I would say that
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the situation that you'rein is impermanent, um,
and with that in mind, so while youcan find your way towards the light at
the end of this tunnel, understandingthat even that is impermanent.
And so, yes, like, I can help supportand guide you through this, um.
(01:00:27):
But there's always going to bethings outside of our control where.
you might find yourselfin this situation again.
But that doesn't mean that thereisn't value in learning and equipping
yourself with financial agencyand power through becoming more
informed, more financially literate.
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And I would also saythat it's not your fault.
Uh, it's not your fault,
you know, and again, it's them.
It's not you.
However, like you can takeresponsibility with what you can control.
And it's not fair.
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It's something that you can do.
Yeah.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thanks for coming.
What a great conversation.
This was lovely.
Thank you for having me.
I hope you enjoy thisepisode with Stella Gold.
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It is not your fault.
We live in a societywhere capitalism thrives.
So support yourself, findsupport, find resources.
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My guests often.
What they do for fun is because when welive in a society where productivity.
Means success.
It is very important to remember,to do things for yourself,
to do things that you enjoy.
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Hi, everyone.
Welcome to conversations with yourChinese Auntie, YiYi that's me.
I hope you're doing well.
And in the west, we are, settlinginto the Fall and cooler weather.
In this episode.
I talked to Stella, Gold Stella.
Is a rebirth and wealthcoach for Changemakers.
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They come from a lineage of activists.
In this episode, Stella sharetheir unique cultural background.
. They also share their recenttrip to the Philippines.
Stella also discussestheir career journey.
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. Hello, Stella.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm very good today.
Oh, good.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you.
Please introduce yourself.
Yeah, my name is professionallyand creatively Stella Gold.
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However, my birth name and ancestralname is Danielle Rose Gregorio McGee.
Yeah, so I have ancestral rootsfrom the Philippines and, um,
being a Philippine ancestry isjust culturally how I was raised.
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Um, my mom's side is, uh, based in Iloilo.
So technically, I guessI would say I'm Ilongo.
of Ilongo diaspora on that side, andthen, um, also have Chinese ancestry.
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And then, on my dad's side, it'squite mixed, um, it is, I am Scots
Irish, I have a little bit of, like,British, and then I also have Iranian,
I have, um, Ashkenazi Jewish, um,so Jewish Romanian specifically,
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Romanian and Ukrainian, uh, oh my gosh.
What else do I have?
Like German, French,very mixed, very mixed.
And my pronouns, so I do identify asqueer and my pronouns are they and them.
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Thank you.
Have you been to the Philippines at all?
I have.
I was actually justthere earlier this year.
Um, it was my first timeback since I was And
that was also the first time mymom went back, uh, since, I mean,
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I think she went back in like 1996.
Yeah.
And hadn't been back since.
So we all came together in January.
Oh, how was it?
I'm sure meeting like big family members.
Yeah, so we've kept in touch with familyand they've visited us, so it was really
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nice to deepen that relationship, um,but, and there was also a lot of grief.
I feel like since it was a homecoming anda return back to the motherland, like,
I certainly grieved because althoughI can understand, um, the dialect.
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I could not speak it.
And there were certain thingsthough that were coming back to me,
certain words, certain expressions.
And it was interesting because mymom moved or immigrated to the US
in I think 80, 19 88, maybe 1987.
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I can't remember the specific date.
And then she had me in 1991.
So I feel like.
While I was growing up, shewas still very much connected
to her roots and her culture.
And then over time, I think, you know, herjourney of assimilating and surviving here
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in the United States, a lot was forgotten.
And so coming to the Philippines,especially like with my mom and seeing
how we were both remembering thingsand then having grief, knowing that
We had forgotten it for so long.
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It was really, it was hard.
It was difficult.
And it was also like so beautiful andnecessary and messy and, you know,
very much a human life experience.
Oh, definitely.
Do you identify a lot with that culture?
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Yeah, so, with my dad's side, I, therewasn't really a lot of culture there.
Um,
it was, I mean, I'm trying tothink back now, reflecting,
like, what was his own culture?
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Um, but it was just, and I can't evensay it was, like, American culture,
because He didn't have any sort of, Iguess he was Christian, kind of, not
really wasn't practicing, um, but Iknow he grew up in a Christian household
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and same with like my grandmother.
So she, um, was raised, born and raised.
As Jewish, like, practiced Judaism,and then she fell in love with my gram
my grandpa, who was Christian, andthen she converted, and that was she
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was completely disowned by the family.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, because of that, therewasn't we didn't really have I
don't know, like, there wasn'treally, like, a culture, whether
it be, like, religion or even food.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or, you know, it felt like she also losther culture, and there was like a lot of
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grief there, and I think that's why, like,when my dad and mom got together, my mom
was so connected to her culture, and somy dad just kinda was like the, you know,
quiet, more to himself, like, white man.
And my mom was like Definitely the loudand proud and, um, strong personality,
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um, and her culture definitelywas more present in our family.
So I, I feel like I wasraised as Filipino for sure.
Mm.
That was going to be my nextquestion, like, did she cook the food?
Did she?
Yeah.
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Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oftentimes.
Yeah, well, no, because oftentimeswhen we assimilate, we give up a
lot of the culture, the practices.
Oh, so great that she had that impact.
Yeah, yeah, I'm very grateful.
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She, I think the language wasthe one thing that left her
eventually, um, over time as sheassimilated in the United States.
She just wasn't speaking it,really, unless she was talking to
family, um, back in the Philippines.
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Or when we'd be at family gatherings,it'd be, like, the first time in months
that I would hear her speak the language.
Whereas, like, in the beginning,growing up, she was speaking it all
the time, and that's why, like, mebeing able to speak a little bit, like,
conversationally, but understandinga lot, was very present as a child.
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And then as I grew up, it's just like,both of us, kind of, the language
got lost and the assimilation overtime, you know, became more prominent.
However, the food never got lost.
That was something that, like,always brought family together
and it was a way to connect to ourheritage and our culture together.
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But it brings people together.
It does.
Especially in the Asian culture, I find.
Yeah, it really, it really does.
I'd love to hear about, before I askyou this, how did you come up with
Stella Goh for your professional name?
Yeah, that is um, quite the story.
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So,
I'll like go back to So Stella Goldwas like this persona in my life even
before there was a name for that persona.
Uh,
I always had this like
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ethereal energy in my life as thisperson that would come and soothe me.
Like it was like I would kind of AnytimeI went through any discomfort and needed
to parent myself, I would reach forthis energy, this maternal, parental
(10:27):
type of, I don't know, wise, soul like,Being and it would just be a, uh, a
vision I would have like growing up.
So I kind of alwayscarried that within me.
Um, but then, so in 2015, my dad,unexpectedly, he passed away.
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And from that point, the grief, Iwas so grief stricken that I felt it.
I felt so, I felt so lost from joy, solost from my vitality, like I just, I
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was extremely depressed and grievingand anything that you could expect
after losing a parent unexpectedly.
And I was very young, so I was 24.
Yeah.
And so, my cousin and I, and my partner,We, he died in November of 2015, and I
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stayed in the Bay Area to, like, handleall the financial, like, government,
funerals, affairs, stuff like that.
And I didn't come back to New York untilMarch, so I had spent a lot of time away.
And once, like, spring happensin New York, which is where I
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was living at the time, um, NewYork just becomes really active.
And so my cousin invitedme to Coney Island.
Um, it wasn't a time where it was warmenough to go to the beach, but it was
nice enough to enjoy the outdoors.
And there was a, like, witchytype spiritual event, um,
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that she invited me to.
And so I got there and Iwas like, Oh, this is cool.
Like I wasn't really connectedto my spirituality then as well.
Uh, so when I got there, I saw thiswitch that was doing like tarot for 25.
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And honestly, I was.
Just down.
I was like, you know what,like, I've never done tarot
before, I'm, I'm down to try it.
And we kind of went into it like, we'rejust doing this for fun, you know, not,
not even knowing the ancestral roots oftarot as well, you know, how, I, I just
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had no idea the history behind tarot,how it's connected to the Romani people,
and like, I just, completely clueless.
And just went into itlike, oh, this is fun.
And then when I did it, uh, andhad and she gave me the spread She
immediately was like, here's the card.
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It's the The swords card of swords.
I i'm not fluent in tarot stillbut um, it's the card where It's
the person is being there's likeall these swords going into it.
Um, And she was like, this is yourpast You And she's like, you're
grieving, and like, I feel likeyou're grieving a paternal figure.
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And she's like, did yourfather die recently?
And I'm like, oh hell no.
Oh yeah, I was just like,
there's no way.
And then she pulled another card,which was, I wish I had like the
visual, I did take a picture.
But essentially shepulled all these cards.
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She's like, this is whereyou're at right now.
This is where you're, where you're movingthrough, but who you're meant to be.
And she pulled the nextcard and it was the star.
And so Stella means star.
And that's where I got the Stella part.
And then months later, I am starting tobecome very obsessed with the stories
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of Freddie Mercury and Nina Simone.
Those are not their real names.
Um, and I'm like, youknow, I want to have.
this creative persona that I canembody, um, that makes me feel really
powerful and strong and confident.
And I'm like, oh, maybe I'llname myself Stella, but I'm
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like, but what's the last name?
And I was thinking abouthoney and how honey is this,
because I'm a big fan of bees.
Um, honey is liquid gold, I mean it canbe used as salve, um, it never expires, so
like, if we happen to have like a zombieapocalypse, um, and we need to store some
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honey, and use it for trade in the future,um, it would be the perfect, like, it
can, it's an antiseptic, it can be usedas like a bandage, it's, it's Really this
and it's very nutritious and they actuallyfound honey in the ancient Egypt pyramids.
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I mean, that's just wild to me.
And so I was like, Ooh, I love honey.
And I like that it comes frombees that work together in the
hive and they produce this honey.
And so I'm like liquid gold.
And I was like, boom, Stella gold.
And I just thought thatname sounded so cool,
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and that's how Stella Gold was birthed.
It was on a bus, I was going from, uh,Manhattan to Astoria, Queens, and I
was sitting on the bus looking at theNew York skyline, and I was just like,
Stella, Stella, Stella, boom, Stella Gold.
That's, that's who I am now.
I love that.
Thanks for sharing the story.
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I know it was very long.
I was like, it's a long story.
I love it, and I love tarot, soyou are speaking my language.
Okay, so you know whatcard I was talking about.
Yeah, I wonder whether you hadthe, uh, in the spread, the tower,
the one where people were, itseems like people are jumping off.
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I will look at it after toconfirm, but I know I got the star.
I got the swords.
I got the world.
Oh, a lot of the major cards.
Yeah, I don't remember what was.
in the middle.
That's the one that,yeah, I can't remember.
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The tower card, a lot of people areafraid of it because it looked quite
chaotic, but it's, it can also signifydeath, rebirth, which is just my jam.
No, the, the year before myfather died in March, that year
I took, I took a tarot course.
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And
I think like three weeks in arow, I kept pulling the towel
card and I was like, wow, uh huh.
Yeah, maybe I get it.
I get the message.
I was like, do I really want to know?
I don't know, but it's nothing tobe afraid of, you know, it's just.
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I love tarot.
I love the, yeah, I remember in mytwenties, I saw a card and a palm,
you know, and I always love delvinginto these things because oftentimes
people will ask me friends, clients,and I say, It's a great tool.
You don't live your life accordingto it, but it's good to know.
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I would love to hear about your,your career journey and leading into
what you're doing now, you know,which is a rebirth and wealth coach.
Tell us more about that.
Speaking of the tower card and rebirth,
um, so actually I I have also had quitethe journey with my career, also was
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birthed from my grief with my dad.
So, you know, after he died, I hadto handle all the financial stuff
because Money was such a, and stillis, this huge taboo, especially
when you are discussing it around.
Um, I just, I saw the fear and feltthe scarcity from my mom, who now was
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a single income You know, household,still putting my sibling through college.
Um, I was already, you know,financially independent from her.
But she was, like, assuming that I knewthe ins and outs of financial literacy.
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And what was terrifying, but alsohilarious, is she gave me all this
paperwork and, you know, was like,oh, can you, like, explain this to me?
Like, I don't know what this is.
And she's like, well, what do youmean you don't know what this is?
Like, what do they, don'tthey teach you this in school?
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And I'm like, no, they actually donot teach us any of this in school.
That's terrifying, and I went through, Ithink it was honestly an obsessive rabbit
hole of research, fueled by grief andanxiety and anger about the injustice
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under this economic system, oppressiveand economic system that we live in.
And seeing how my mom wasbeing, and my father too, um,
being oppressed through it.
And so on top of that, like, Idon't know why I decided to watch
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the big short during that time.
But I watched that movie, which is a truestory, and now everything came together,
when I was, like, reflecting back in2008, what my family was going through,
and the fear they had, and I was like, ohmy goodness, this was completely, like,
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intentionally done with the full knowledgethat this was going to affect Millions of
people in the United States and outsideof the United States, because the U.
S.
economy is very It has a bigimpact in the global economy.
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So that it started there where I becamevery fixated on how do I beat this system?
And I did that through wealthadvocacy in the workplace.
So, um, I started with like helping peoplesalary negotiate, um, career coaching.
I volunteered and then endedup working with an organization
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called ladies get paid.
And this was when I was in New York.
And they also were experiencing
oppression and marginalizationby men that felt very threatened.
Like they actually got sued by amale, a men's rights activist group.
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Yeah, it's, it's wild.
That actually, if anyone's listeningto this, Look up ladies get paid
lawsuit and you will see that therewas a men's rights activist group that
sued them for gender discrimination.
Because they're like, men have to getpaid equally too, and like, men should be
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able to come to any type of event, evenif it's only for quote unquote women.
It was wild.
Anyways, so, I, um, supported themthrough that campaign, and luckily, they
were able to, um, settle the lawsuit.
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I mean, I don't know if it's luckily,but it's good that it didn't get any
worse from there, and they leveragedthe support of community care, right?
And then I realized that a lot of thepeople that I was supporting would be
like, Okay, I got a raise, but now what?
I don't know what to do with this money,so I guess I'm just gonna spend it.
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And then they started feelinglike they didn't see the money.
And we did this partnership with thisother company and, uh, they're like
a FinTech, um, and, or at the time,it was a financial wellness FinTech
company in New York, um, and I'm notgonna name them because I left for very
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good reasons, um, but this company, Iwill say, taught me the ins and outs of
financial literacy and financial wellness.
So I will give them that credit that Iwas very much aligned with their mission.
I learned a lot from that experienceand I really did life changing work.
So I became very passionate aboutfinancial literacy as activism
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and really believe that once youbecome financially literate, that
that's how you escape capitalism.
That's how you beat the system.
And that company, it endedup being a really toxic and
unhealthy work environment.
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Um, it was a startup.
So if you hear any You know,horror stories of startup culture.
It definitely existed in this place.
Um, and it was not values aligned with me.
And it also had this nextstep that was missing.
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So I started with salary negotiation,but then there was the issue of these
people didn't know how to manage theirfinances and weren't financially literate.
Went to this company, solved that.
I'm like, cool, I helped themget a raise and I teach them
how to manage their money.
But then behaviorally, they werenot understanding that there's
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a lot of emotions that areattached to money and finance.
And so even though they had the Theins and outs and the to dos, they
were anxiety stricken, and scared,and feeling overwhelmed, and really
activated, um, and nervous systemwas just all over the place, so they
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just shut down and not do any of it.
And, and that's absolutely understandable,because money is so connected to
It's connected to so much,especially the emotional side
and also the intersectionalitywas missing at this company.
And so I decided to start my own wealthcoaching and financial literacy business.
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And I did that for the last three years.
Um, and I'm still doing that, butI did go through an experience last
year where I realized that you can'tescape capitalism and oppression,
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even if you know everything, becausethis is the system that we live in.
And I think I grievedthat and had to shut down.
I shut down my business andwent on sabbatical because.
I was like teaching all of my clientsto, to do all of these things and they
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were doing it, but then COVID happenedand we saw how intense the economic
suffering and disparity from thatalso caused like in their own lives.
You know, mass layoffs happening,um, financial scarcity and
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a lot of job insecurity.
So they would get a job with them.
They'd get laid off againbecause the economy was just so,
and then the SVB, Silicon Valleybank, um, failure happened.
And I remember thinking whenthey, all the banks came together.
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To like basically did the socialistthing and was like, we're gonna
like pull our resources and stopthis bank failure from happening on
top of leveraging insurance, right?
And I just was like, oh, this is Thisis a circus and they're not impacted,
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but who's going to be impacted?
Small businesses, who'sgoing to be impacted?
Employee, like everydayemployees, the working class,
they're going to be impacted.
And I saw that with my clients.
And I think like I had one client straightup asked me, like, is there ever going
to, like, can I actually like escape this?
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Like, I'm so tired of being oppressed.
And I just, I was like,no, like you can't.
And I'm realizing that this is.
This is not this is not that so after Iwent on this break took my sabbatical at
the end of it I realized just because youcan't escape the system doesn't mean that
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The tools that we have the knowledge andeducation that we have it's not invaluable
like it still has value and we can stillsupport one another and I So I'm kind of
coming back to what I thought I wouldn'tcome back to, but going through a rebirth
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on how I identify it, with it.
And so that's why I, I still keepthe wealth coach part, because
I think money is so important.
I mean, it's a resource forall, or should be for all.
And the wealth activism part, the activismpart of financial literacy, It just, I
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can't let go of it, I don't know why.
I love what you said aboutthe oppression, right?
It's
it's there, it's in the system, , mostof my clients are women of color, and I,
I do talk about capitalism, I talk aboutsocial justice, I talk about oppression,
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racism with these clients, right?
And sometimes clients will sayto me, Will racism ever go away?
And I'm like, I'm like, I wish, Iwish I can say yes, but with the
system that we live in that existsright now, you have to do what you
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need to do to survive that part.
And you need to find community, yourpeople who can support you when things
are difficult, you know, becausethere can be so much despair when
you find me and you, you say thatgreed, when you finally recognize.
Oh, wait a minute.
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This is not going anywhere whilethe people in power will continue
to take advantage for those whodon't have as much privilege.
It's just so much grief.
Oh, I'm still moving through it.
Yeah.
It's so, I mean, for example, talkingabout racism, right, like we are seeing
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more visibility for BIPOC people.
For example, I remember like, My clientsthat I worked with were getting promoted,
they were being directors, even VPs,like, they were climbing the corporate
ladder, thinking that, oh, now I madeit to the top, and I'm, you know, a
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woman of color, or I'm a queer person,or I'm this or I'm that, you know,
any sort of strategically undervalued
type of person in this,in this type of system.
They make it to the top, and theyare still experiencing the racism
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and oppression, the homophobia, thetransphobia, like, it doesn't go away.
And, and then, you know, movingthrough that grief of like, yeah,
it doesn't matter where you're on,where you are on the corporate ladder,
you're on the ladder that stinks.
You're on a ladder that's shitty.
It wasn't built for you and mine.
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It doesn't matter if you're going up,you know, if it's, if it's foundation
is, is cruel and yeah, it's just,
I want to burn it down.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's burn it all down and rebuild.
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I mean, funny, not funny, but sometimesWhen I talk to close friends, you know,
when we look at climate change and whatwe're doing to, you know, nature, I'm
like, mother nature is not happy with us.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised ifone day she's just like, okay, we're
just going to rebuild because look atwhat we're doing as humans, everything,
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you know, not just, not just withwhat we're doing to nature in a sense
of, you know, overuse of resources,but also like capitalism greed.
Extraction.
Extraction.
Let's burn it down.
When are we meeting?
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Let's do it.
Let's plan it.
And I see, I see it happening.
I mean, people have been embodyingthat within their activism and
doing a lot of necessary good work.
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Just like you said, and coming fullcircle, it might mean that we still
have to do it under a system where we'reoppressed, but it's how we resist it.
It's how we dismantle it.
And I, I think that that, I will saythat, like, I definitely had that
moment of despair and hopelessness.
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And there is, it's still, there'sstill elements of that within me.
That's part of grief.
Um, but I feel like I have my vitalityback, my mission and intention back,
the impact that I want to make back,like, and I think a lot of people,
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they resist regardless
of how it ends up in the end.
Because at least you can stillbe connected to your dignity,
to your integrity, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
A hundred percent, because Ithink oftentimes when I talk to
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clients who are feeling despair,
Again, I often say to them, I don'thave the miracle answer, but you do what
you do, you got to just, you got to dowhat you need to do, you know, whether,
especially when you talk about socialjustice, whether you're the one that
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is going to the marches, whether you'rebreaking down the system by taking a
stand or whether you're the one who showup and bring food for everybody who's
organizing, because We all, each of ushave a role and not all of us need to be
upfront and be loud because some peopledon't have that personality, right?
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So you just need to do what you need to dofirst to feel, to make sure you're safe.
And two, so that you feellike you're doing something.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's um, when you, when you sharethe one about the ladies get paid lawsuit.
Mm-Hmm.
. It reminded me, I was just sittinghere, I was just like, oh, really?
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It reminded me, I think in the earlynineties there was a, where I was
living at that time, uh, somebodyopened a women only gym for ladies only.
Hmm.
White dude decided to sue them.
Oh my gosh.
I can't remember.
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I can't remember what happened.
I don't think anything came out ofit because it got on the news and da
da da da da, but he was pissed offthat, um, why he can't go to the gym.
So many other gyms thatyou can go to, my guy.
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Will you share with your experienceworking with clients I would love to
hear more about the emotional sideof finances, either what you see with
clients or what you wish we know.
What do you want us to know,the listeners, to know about
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emotions and money and finances?
I think that because peopleculturally, like how money has
been A symbol in our culture.
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It has been the symbol that is justso logical and so physical and a
lot of people, I think, detach.
I mean, I think culturally it is detached.
We're just like, oh, money ismoney or you know how people say
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like, oh, that's just business.
You know, don't don'tget emotional about it.
We're just doing business.
That's business.
It's like, oh, I made a business decision.
It's like, people get laid off and haveincome insecurity and lose everything.
It's like, oh, it's just business.
It's nothing personal.
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It's like, it is personal, actually.
It is very personal.
And I think that, like, what Iwish that people would know is that
It's them and not you, like the systemthat like whether you're feeling like
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distress or anxiety about money or feelinglike maybe you are in this place where
you are educated financially, but like thebehavior hasn't caught up with that yet.
And the behavior is beingimpacted because you may have
some sort of financial trauma.
Um, you could have grown up.
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In poverty or experienced immensescarcity, even generationally, let's say
like you didn't experience that, but ifyour family, like your mom, your parents,
or their parents experienced that, we nowhave studies that show, research that show
that generational trauma is inherited.
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So money, and money hasbeen around for centuries.
And maybe not in the way that wesee it now, but just the concept of
money has been around for centuries.
And so of course we're gonna haveWe're going to inherit all of these,
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a lot of baggage around money, Iguess is what I'm trying to say.
That's great advice.
My, my, um, my parents, so I thinkespecially my dad used to say,
money, yes, we need money to survive,just because of the society, but
he, my dad was a devoted Buddhist.
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Very, very wise, and alsoreally about life as a thing.
So his, his view on money wasalways, we can't take it with us.
And he was a very kind person.
So he was like, share it when you canhelp out your people, your community,
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but he said, also trying not to getso attached to it because when you
die, you can't take it with you.
So don't hang on to it, but dear life.
And I, I look at that and I'm like,yeah, it's really sound because my dad
was one of those people who give youthe last 2 in his wallet if you need it.
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Because he, he always believedthat he'll come, he'll come again.
That is very, very Buddhist thinking.
Yeah.
And, and just like, that was another,um, when I went on my sabbatical, I
really, I learned that concept from.
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spending time in Vietnam.
They actually even had the architectureof their homes flow in a certain way where
they would make sure that this sectionhad like airway and airflow because they
want to attract abundance coming in, butthey also know that it has to go out to
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come back, that it has to be so cyclical.
Because that is the way of nature, andI just love that, that is something that
your father also did too, maybe like hedidn't see it that way, I don't know, but,
or maybe, maybe, I'm also curious how youviewed it, watching him do that, um, but
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it was something I was so fascinated by,because this was like, oh my gosh, like,
ancient, ancient, ancient, Very old, oldarchitecture like that was implemented
and they had it money wasn't cash yet.
I think maybe it was coins at that time,but I'm not entirely certain, but they had
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they had their own concept of money andwealth and they knew that you have to let
it go for it to for also you to receive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, when you talk aboutintergenerational trauma, you know,
my dad definitely had that eventhough he believed in that, that it
has to be that it flows, it comes in,it goes out, you have to share it.
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He also, he was also quite, he alsoat the back of his head, his mind, he
was, there was a sense of protection.
Because he was also the oldestson, he had to look after the
family's finances, stuff like that.
It's interesting when you share thatabout the Vietnam Architect, um, in
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ancient Chinese, uh, houses, likethe courthouses, the, the empress.
Ah, the word is It's just, it's not comingin, but it's just like those palaces.
Everything is built.
Everything was built, theairflow, things would flow.
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It was always open spaces.
Yeah.
The door would open in, especially yousee, you watch those movies or when you
read those ancient books, these paintpictures of these big compounds and the
door would open into these big compounds.
There was always lush greenery, but then.
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It will flow, the roofs are open ina sense because nothing is boxed in.
And it's interesting, right?
Because when you apply that tolife, when we allow things to
flow, there's less restriction.
Absolutely.
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I like that word that youeven used is restriction.
I think that Again, culturally, how moneyand capitalism, it's been extraction.
And then the next step is restriction.
So it's like, we're going to takeeverything, the, like all of it until
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it's last bits, until everything is ours.
And we're going to restrictit and, and create a scarcity
that does not actually exist.
A human made scarcity, sowe can control the masses.
And I think that, like, that restrictionis so real, and I don't think people
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understand that when they're feeling thatanxiety or emotions are coming up, or,
you know, why do I feel so much scarcity?
Even when they have enough, it'sbecause we've been conditioned to
believe that there is never enough.
You know what I mean?
And so, I think restriction is such a,it's such a good word to describe that.
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And, and I love that.
When you really strip down back to ourancestral roots and, like, re indigenize
our relationship with money and wealthand nature and, and all forms of wealth,
like the wealth of community, thewealth of, like, your body and, like,
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your mental wealth, your spiritualwealth, you come to realize that, like,
it needs to flow.
It needs to You have to give to receiveand you and and you have to receive
also and and to give as well because Ithink a lot of people also are afraid of
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receiving because they're not used to it.
Right.
So, yeah, I think it's our, Ilove our cultures like when you
really go back to its roots.
Like my Philippine ancestry, um, theywere so, so wealthy, had so much gold,
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like completely dress themselves tothe nines, like, and all of this gold
and, um, they had their own version of,like, tattoo, um, tuk tuk, um, and they
did a lot of, like, body modificationand it just, They lived so wealthy.
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And so that's another thing I wouldlove people to take away from.
It's like, your ancestors were wealthy.
Like, capitalism isn't, it's new.
It's like a newer wayof being with wealth.
And in a way I don't think it is wealth.
It's, it is restriction and extraction.
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But before that, wealth truly existedand our ancestors were abundant.
Yeah, and our ancestorslooked at wealth different.
They did, yeah.
You know, wealth could be, oh, mygarden is flourishing this year, so I
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have enough fruits and vegetables toshare with my family and my community.
I can't remember what book I was reading,but it was about financial, uh, literalist
literacy and generational trauma.
And this author wrote about, youcan almost pinpoint in most of
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the developing countries, you canpinpoint when colonization came in.
Yeah.
Capitalism started scarcity.
I love that you brought the part aboutour ancestors, they had abundance.
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And now in this Western world, thescarcity belief I always believe that
the rich can save the world, if theywant to, but they're hoarding the
money and they're not getting it.
That's the holding because thenthey can cause restriction.
We look at how fast whenNotre Dame burned down.
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Oh yeah.
Look what happened there.
Look what happened there.
Money could be.
It was raised.
It was within 24, 48 hoursto raise enough money.
Yeah.
And those are the donationswere from the wealthy
and if I if we could in where Ilive in Vancouver, we have a really,
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really heartbreaking homelesssituation like there's a part of
Vancouver, the homelessness is quitebad and I was talking to a client
many many years ago, he said to me.
If only all the rich billionaires andmillionaires would put up the money, we
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could put these people into housing, getthem mental health care and feed them.
And I was like, it's true, you know,but the system is not supporting that.
Yeah.
I mean, my response to that wouldbe like, and they never will.
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They won't.
If they, like you said, if they wantedto, they, they would have already.
But they don't value human life unlessthey can take something from it, and right
now they're benefiting from oppression.
So in my, in my sad, grieving opinion, itis, and, and, and I'm, I'm furious to say
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it, but I'm like, they're not going to.
They never will.
If they, if they,
they would have already doneso at this point, right?
So it's like, so what are we left with?
If we finally accept that no one is goingto save us, we just have each other.
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And I think that's morepowerful, actually.
Um, wealth redistribution is somethingI practice within my business.
I teach others how topractice it, mutual aid.
Um, and I also have my own, like, I'mpart of a wealth redistribution circle.
So I know you're in Vancouver.
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Um, the, like, I became a trauma of money.
Facilitator, this was In 2021, I believe,maybe 2022, um, and they're based in
the founders based in Vancouver, Ithink, um, and so a lot of, a lot of
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that disparity was, was talked about,like the house, the housing crisis.
That's also very.
Present in Vancouver and, and in Canada.
Um, even, even with some elements of,you know, quote unquote free healthcare.
I know it comes with lots ofbarriers, same with the education.
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It's like, I have friends that they'relike, yeah, I have free healthcare, but
I can't see my doctor for six months.
So, I mean, there's just,
I don't know, we, when I learned thisconcept of wealth redistribution.
I think there's is two sides of it.
I see that I can see that thereare people that are redistributing
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money, but it's not wealthy yet.
It's like they're doing it becauseit's it is aligned with their values.
That's why they're doing it.
However, it's like no, butlike wealth redistribution
means you have overflow, right?
So put your, how do they say it?
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Like put your mask onfirst, like to breathe.
It's like, Like when you'reon the airplane, right?
So I'm trying to, like, teach that, andalso embody that myself, cause sometimes,
I, that's what I inherited from my mom.
She was a financial martyr.
Like, she would give and giveand give when she didn't have the
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financial capacity to do that.
Um, and so I had to kind of belike, you need to reel it back.
Like, you're not a twoperson household income now.
Two person income household.
Um, And I had to be like and I needto reel it back because I don't, I
need to have my needs met before Itry to supply and resource others.
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I need to be, I have to have mycup full, um, because I do think
it is in the responsibility offolks that do have overflow.
It doesn't mean that you need to be richin the sense of like a billionaire or
even a millionaire, you multi millionaire.
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But it does mean that you shouldhave your needs met first.
So it's, it's like both, Imean, it's a balance for sure.
But again, it's like, it's theconcept of letting it flow out.
So you can also receive and keep the.
The circular economy going.
(53:58):
Yeah, I'm aware of the time.
What do you do for fun?
What do I do for fun?
Oh my gosh.
Um, I do lots of things for fun.
I play video games.
(54:18):
I free dive.
I do Muay Thai.
I, what else do I do?
I think those are like, I, I paint, I doart, I write, but I feel like painting
and art is not really for fun for me,it's for me to have an outlet, whereas
like, The other, like free diving, videogames, Muay Thai, maybe a little bit of
(54:43):
Muay Thai is also an outlet for like mypent up rage, but it is fun, so, yeah.
Well, what is free dive?
Free diving, so it's, you know scubadiving, you have this oxygen tank.
Um, free diving is you learn howto not need all of that gear.
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You learn how to hold your breath, um,increase your carbon dioxide, your CO2
tolerance, um, and you also learn how toequalize your ears because you know when
you go deeper and deeper, Your ears, thepressure, you have to like equalize and
(55:30):
pop your ears so you can acclimate tothe different atmospheres that you enter.
Yeah, I know.
It's very nerdy actually.
There's a lot of sciencethat goes into it.
Um, but free diving has beenI would say this year has been
like the center of my universe.
Like I learned it in the Philippines.
Um, it's also very ancestrally connected.
(55:53):
All folks in the Philippines, especiallyFolks that were on the coast were
natural free divers, because they hadto be to forage for food, you know,
they didn't have a scuba tank, likethey didn't have all this technology,
but what they didn't learn wasthat you could equalize your ears.
(56:14):
So a lot of the Bajau people, um, theyare still, I don't know where, They're
kind of all over Southeast Asia, um,but just speaking to the community in
the Philippines, um, the Bajau people,they didn't know that you could equalize
(56:35):
properly, so they just Go they basicallyteach like you just go as deep as you
can until your ears pop and then now youwon't have to deal with that so they a
lot of them actually are hearing impaired.
And so now we have, um, like my freediving two of my free diving coaches.
(56:59):
They go to these villages toteach them like hey actually
you don't have to like go deaf.
Um, there's ways thatyou could avoid that.
And it's really, reallyamazing to see that work.
And yeah, anyways, I love free diving.
I could talk about it so much nonstop.
That is, that has been the center ofmy universe this, this year, for sure.
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That's amazing.
I'm going to look into it.
I did not know that.
Two more questions.
If you are not doing whatyou're doing right now for
career, what would you be doing?
A whole different career.
(57:44):
Oh, I have three that come tomind, but I'll speak to, I'll
speak to two of them, actually.
Um, so this is just career focused, right?
Okay.
Maybe actually I do have one in mind.
So career wise, because theother two I would do regardless
if it were my career or not.
(58:06):
Um, but this one is I would loveto become a marine biologist.
Um, and even like take it a step furtherand become an oceanographer, that has
also been like an obsession of mine.
Um, and I've always wanted to be amarine biologist ever since I was a kid.
I just was told that there's no money inmarine biology and that is kind of true.
(58:31):
Um, but it's also not,not, or it's also not true.
Like there's, there's ways that you can.
You know, figure it out.
And I think that had I known that I wouldhave gone all the way to get like my PhD,
probably, but who knows, maybe that stillcould be another career that I have.
(58:55):
I'm not saying that I won't do that.
I actually, um, moving to Hawaii.
So my partner is from here.
Um, It was enticing to me aswell because I'm like, Oh,
they have marine conservation.
One is a huge need and theyhave an incredible school
(59:17):
here that specializes in that.
So it's on the back of my mind thatI might integrate an additional
career to the work that I do as arebirth and wealth coach as well.
Oh, I love that.
It's never too late.
It's never too late.
Last question for you.
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If
someone comes to you and they'restruggling with finances,
what would you say to them?
I would say that
(01:00:00):
the situation that you'rein is impermanent, um,
and with that in mind, so while youcan find your way towards the light at
the end of this tunnel, understandingthat even that is impermanent.
And so, yes, like, I can help supportand guide you through this, um.
(01:00:27):
But there's always going to bethings outside of our control where.
you might find yourselfin this situation again.
But that doesn't mean that thereisn't value in learning and equipping
yourself with financial agencyand power through becoming more
informed, more financially literate.
(01:00:50):
And I would also saythat it's not your fault.
Uh, it's not your fault,
you know, and again, it's them.
It's not you.
However, like you can takeresponsibility with what you can control.
And it's not fair.
(01:01:12):
It's something that you can do.
Yeah.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thanks for coming.
What a great conversation.
This was lovely.
Thank you for having me.
I hope you enjoy thisepisode with Stella Gold.
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I love what they said that remember.
Whatever you're going throughright now, financially.
It is not your fault.
We live in a societywhere capitalism thrives.
So support yourself, findsupport, find resources.
And the reason.
(01:01:55):
I like to ask.
My guests often.
What they do for fun is because when welive in a society where productivity.
Means success.
It is very important to remember,to do things for yourself,
to do things that you enjoy.
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Whether it's taking up ahobby like knitting or gather
with your friends for a meal.
Be good to yourself andI'll see you next time.
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With Your Chinese Auntie Podcast.
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