In this episode of Counselor: Beyond Conventional Defense, California defense attorney William Pernik sits down with longtime friend Alex Martin for a powerful and honest discussion about the often-overlooked emotional toll of practicing criminal defense.
They explore the ideological divides among defense attorneys, the challenges of working with at-risk youth influenced by gangs and substance abuse, and the question every lawyer must ask: Are we truly helping our clients, or just fulfilling our legal duties?
With stories drawn from personal experience, William and Alex examine the immigrant experience, the struggle for belonging, and the complex role of authority in shaping young lives. This conversation is both a reflection on the human side of law and a call for attorneys to act as true counselors—not just lawyers.
Whether you’re a practicing attorney, law student, or simply interested in the realities of the justice system, this episode will leave you with a deeper understanding of what it means to defend, guide, and truly care for clients.
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