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August 12, 2025 20 mins

Welcome to Counselor: Beyond Conventional Defense with William Pernik, criminal defense attorney and advocate for holistic, client-centered legal representation. In this episode, William offers an insider’s perspective on one of the most important decisions you’ll ever make: how to choose the right criminal defense attorney. --- 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:00:32 - Role of an Attorney in a Criminal Case 00:01:50 - Different Types of Lawyers 00:03:25 - Client Autonomy Model vs Guided Outcome Model 00:07:16 - Transactional Approach vs Relational Approach 00:11:27 - False Economy of Low Cost Representation 00:14:12 - Guidance for Dealing with Clients with Substance Abuse or Mental Health Issues 00:15:36 - Understanding Lawyer's Payment Structures 00:16:38 - Ethical Dilemmas in Legal Practice 00:17:21 - Rule 2.1: The Role of an Attorney as an Advisor 00:18:24 - Promoting the Counselor Model in Legal Practice 00:18:38 - Implications of the Counselor Model on Attorney Wellbeing 00:19:44 - Conclusion and Contact Information ---

 

*Why does your choice of attorney matter so much?*   Criminal law isn’t just about money—it’s about protecting your freedom, your family, your career, and sometimes your immigration status. The attorney you choose, their philosophy, and their level of commitment can shape the rest of your life.

*Are all criminal defense attorneys the same?*   Absolutely not. William explains why not all lawyers are equally qualified or aligned with your goals. Even among good attorneys, differences in philosophy can impact your experience and outcome.

*Attorney Philosophies: Autonomy vs. Counselor Model*   - Client Autonomy Model: The lawyer does exactly what the client asks, even if it’s not in the client’s best interest.   - Guided Outcome / Counselor Model: The lawyer acts as a trusted advisor, sometimes pushing back and helping clients make informed decisions—especially during times of crisis.

William champions the Counselor Model, where the attorney is a strategic partner focused on your long-term well-being.

*Transactional vs. Relational Representation*   Transactional lawyers handle single tasks; relational attorneys, like William, invest in understanding your life and goals, connecting you with resources beyond the courtroom—therapists, counselors, and more.

*The Pitfalls of Choosing Based on Price*   Many people believe “a lawyer is a lawyer” and hire the cheapest option. William warns against this “false economy,” where saving money upfront can lead to devastating long-term consequences—like poor plea deals, missed opportunities for treatment, and hidden immigration issues.

*The Dangerous Combo: Cheap, Transactional Lawyers & Quick Fixes*   Clients seeking fast, inexpensive results paired with lawyers who only follow instructions often end up with poor outcomes and unresolved personal challenges.

*What Does the Counselor Model Look Like?*   William goes beyond legal advice—he connects clients with support for mental health, addiction, and family issues, prioritizing healing and long-term solutions over expediency.

*Attorney Fees & Ethics: What You Need to Know*   Most defense attorneys work on flat fees, which can incentivize quick resolutions. William urges clients to ask about compensation structures and to choose lawyers committed to thorough, client-focused representation.

*The Ethical Foundation*   William highlights Rule 2.1 of the Rules of Professional Conduct: lawyers must act as advisors, even when it means giving tough advice. This ethical rule is the backbone of the Counselor Model.

*Can this approach change the legal profession?*   William believes so. The Counselor Model leads to better outcomes, healthier clients, more satisfied lawyers, and greater trust in the justice system.

*Tune in to learn:*   - How to identify the right criminal defense attorney for your needs   - The difference between transactional and relational lawyering   - Why the Counselor Model leads to better outcomes   - What questions to ask before hiring a lawyer   - How holistic advocacy can change lives and communities

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