Shelly shares some dog shenanigans (00:55), Cher discusses how as a creative you feel invigorated by work when you are tapped out (2:49), how half the battle is showing up, getting in your car, to do something that fills you up with energy, a daily practice (6:47), growing up scrappy and releasing desire for control (11:53).
Hosts: Cherice Barton and Shelly Hutchinson
Producer: Jessica O’Keefe, Breatheasy Productions
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