August 6, 2025 • 62 mins
Naomi Kidder wasn’t a runaway. She wasn’t reckless. She was an 18-year-old mother trying to find her way in the rural sprawl of 1980s Wyoming. And in the summer of 1982, she disappeared—leaving behind a baby daughter, a devastated family, and a trail of silence that lasted over a decade.
In this episode of Dark Dialogue: Rocky Mountain Reckoning, we unravel the heartbreaking story of Naomi Kidder—who vanished after hitchhiking out of Rawlins and was later found strangled with barbed wire in a remote patch of Natrona County. For 12 years, she was a Jane Doe. Her name wasn't added to any national databases. Her dental records weren’t uploaded. Her killer was never found.
John and Angela trace the deeply personal and systemically failed case from Naomi’s final days to the discovery of her body, through the tangled web of suspects, including serial predators like Larry DeWayne Hall and Dale Wayne Eaton. We break down the evidence, the missed opportunities, and the haunting legacy left for Naomi’s daughter, Bobbi.
This is more than just another cold case. It’s a story of institutional negligence, systemic erasure, and a young mother who deserved to come home.
This is Naomi’s story. This is the girl who disappeared twice. This is Hitchhiked Into Oblivion.
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There's something especially brutalabout a life stolen in silence.
No headlines, no helicopters,no frantic media blitz.
Just a teenager, 18 years old,vanishing on the open road and
being left to rot in a canyon.
While the world kept spinning, NaomiKidder wasn't running from home.
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She wasn't caught in some crimering or tangled in bad decisions.
She was a young woman who took a tripwith friends to Rollins, Wyoming in
the summer of 1982, and for reasonswe still don't fully understand,
she decided not to return with them.
She took a backpack, a little bit ofmoney, and she set out on foot, and
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somewhere between the town she leftand the life that she hoped to return
to, someone ended her story violently.
And permanently.
Her body wasn't found for months, and hername wasn't restored for over a decade.
Why?
Because even when bones are found, girlslike Naomi don't always get priority
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because the system didn't bother to puther dental records into NCIC until 1994
because someone strangled her with barbedwire, tied it off like garbage, and left
her to be forgotten in Toronto County.
But she wasn't forgotten.
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Not by her family, not by those ofus who still care and not by the
landscape of the Great Basin, whichcontinues to whisper the names of
its dead if you're willing to listen.
So that's what we're doing here today.
We're listening.
We're digging.
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Refusing to let this one slide intoobscurity because Naomi mattered
and so did what happened to her.
Welcome to Rocky Mountain Reckoning.
Now let's get to work,
Angela.
Some cases make you angry, not because ofhow they ended, but because of how long No
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one noticed how long a name went unspoken.
Yeah.
Naomi Kidder was 18.
She had a backpack, a few dollarsand a long summer ahead of her.
She was supposed to ride back toBuffalo with friends, but instead she
disappeared into the Wyoming basin.
Her body was found monthslater, badly decomposed.
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Left out near a remotepatch of Natrona County.
She'd been strangled with wireburied, shallow and forgotten,
but not identified.
12 years, 12 years ofbeing listed as a Jane Doe.
12 years where the system missedher because her dental records
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weren't uploaded, because the dotsweren't connected because someone
thought a missing girl from asmall town didn't matter enough.
This is Dark dialogue.
Rocky Mountain Reckoning, the series wherewe returned to the crimes rooted deep
in the dirt and the snow of the AmericanWest, the ones that never left the hearts
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of the people who lived through them.
We investigate the stories buriedunder snowfall, prairie dust, and
decades of unan unanswered questions.
The ones whispered through cattlefences, past broken barbed wire,
and across wind lash highways.
Disappearance isn't always about gettinglost, sometimes someone's waiting.
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I'm Angela.
And I'm John.
And in this episode,we'll tell Naomi Kidder's.
How she vanished, how she, how herbody was left to fade and how the
system failed her more than once,
because Naomi didn'tjust disappear in 1982.
She disappeared again intopaperwork, silence, and neglect.
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But no more.
This is the girl who disappeared twice.
And this is Dark dialogue.
Rocky Mountain Reckoning.
So Angela, I think you dug up somelocation information for us on this one.
I did.
Still in Wyoming.
Still in Wyoming.
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Still in some little towns in Wyoming.
I
wish the hell we could get a hell outof Wyoming because I don't like talking
about all this shit that's close to home.
I
know.
We're getting it over with though.
That's true.
So hopefully we don't have to comeback to Bullshittery in Wyoming.
Oh, we will.
We're just.
We're getting through the GreatBasin side of Wyoming, but
there's all kinds of bullshitterin Wyoming still left to cover.
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We can take a vacation and talk aboutBullshittery elsewhere in between.
Well, cl it penzer is whatI was just about to say.
Yes.
A cl atlin.
Yes.
Yes.
One of those.
The Sam Hell, and the fact that I justwent ahead and said it anyway, whatever.
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So this episode takesus to Buffalo, Wyoming,
located almost in equal distancebetween Yellowstone National
Park and Mount Rushmore.
Buffalo.
Wyoming is a town with a richhistory rooted in the American West,
particularly the era of frontierexpansion and the Johnson County War.
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Founded in 1879 alongside FortMcKinney, it served as a supply
point for the fort and a haven forTravelers on the Bozeman Trail.
Town's name is attributed to a suggestionmade at the Occidental Hotel where a
resident of Buffalo, New York proposedthe name for the new settlement.
It officially becameincorporated in March, 1884.
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I stayed the Occidental too.
It's freaking did you?
Awesome.
I've seen it.
I haven't stayed there.
I
stayed there and then, and there'slike a room upstairs that has all
these old maps and books and it'salmost like a research library that
you just go hang out in if you're,
it's like a John Haven.
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It is, man.
I drove my girlfriend crazy.
She's finally like, we gotta go,I'm gonna stay in the whole week.
Right here, right, right in this room.
So John will lead me to explain a littlebit about the historic accidental hotel.
So I've taken this directlyfrom travel wyoming.com.
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Quote, when you step through thefront door of the historic Occidental
Hotel in Buffalo, Wyoming, you aretruly stepping back into the old West,
standing on ground trod by the likesof Butch Cassidy and calamity Jane.
In addition, everywhere youlook, you will see the way it
really was In Frontier days.
The stunning embossed ceilings in thelobby and the saloon are the original
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ceilings, the magnificent back bar,and the, sorry, this is way too small.
The stunning embossed ceilingsin the lobby and the saloon
are the original ceilings.
The magnificent back bar in thesaloon is the original back bar.
Even the chairs you will sit on are likelyto be antiques original to the hotel.
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The original Occidental Hotel has beenaccurately and beautifully restored to
its original grandeur and is the onlyfully restored frontier hotel in Wyoming.
The accommodations combinehistoric authenticity and modern
comforts, and all suites and roomsare furnished with antiques and
decorated in elegant period style.
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All of them also have privatebaths, comfortable queen or king
beds, and central air conditioning.
Award-winning restoration of one of thegreatest frontier hotels of Wyoming.
Includes elegant and spacious suites.
Available beautifully restored, 1908saloon, complete with the bullet holes.
Fine Western dining in an opulent 1890setting at the Virginian Restaurant,
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outdoor Dining at the Clear CreekCafe during the summer season.
Founded in 1879 in a tentalongside Clear Creek.
The Occidental Hotel was the firstestablishment in the area that
later became Buffalo, Wyoming.
Today, the Occidental boasts tworestaurants, the only Authentic Frontier
Saloon in Wyoming, a living historymuseum, and some of the most comfortable
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and beautifully restored rooms andsuites to be found anywhere, making
it the perfect venue for everything.
From business conferences, toweddings, to a simple overnight stay.
Truly one of the historictreasures of Wyoming.
The Occidental is also a fullyfunctional hotel with all the
modern amenities includingsatellite TV and wireless access.
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End quote.
Just a few years after Buffalo wasincorporated, the population was 1,807
people, which grew to about 3,799 people.
During the time when this case tookplace, 4,415 residents were reported
to live there at the 2020 census time.
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For my notable people portion,
I like this part.
He sits up.
The few I selected from Buffalowere two of Wyoming's governors,
Mr. Frank E. Lewis, and our33rd governor, Mr. Mark Gordon.
Now, I know that most residentsof Wyoming, at least those in the
general area, would come for me ifI didn't mention Longmeyer days.
(09:49):
Damn straight.
The annual celebration in Buffalo,Wyoming, honoring Craig Johnson's
fictional city of Durant, andthey say ABCA County, we say ab.
AB Zorka.
And his Longmeyer mystery serieswas inspired by real places
and landmarks in the community.
It took place from July 17th, 17through the 20th this year, and I
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took an excerpt from their website togive some insight into what this event
does besides celebrating the TV show,because it's actually pretty darn cool.
Yeah, it is.
Quote, at the core of the long mower.
That's not part of the quote.
I added that quote.
At the core, at the very core of theLongmire Foundation is a dedication
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to community support, our localcommunity and the larger area.
Oh, okay.
Our local community and the larger ideaof what a community is at its heart.
Our annual goal is alwaysto support the community.
So 2025 charitable donations were theLongmeyer Foundation plans to support
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friends, feeding friends of Johnson Countyand Tunnels to Towers Foundation, friends,
feeding friends of Johnson County.
No Hungry Children in Johnson County isthe vision of this amazing organization.
The J-C-F-F-F.
They are at J-C-F-F-F.
They are passionate aboutfeeding kids from the governing
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board of staff to there.
I'm struggling with this.
There we go.
It's just too small.
At J-C-F-F-F, they're passionate aboutfeeding kids from the governing board and
the staff to their large volunteer base.
They work to make food availablefor the kids of Johnson County.
This organization currently deliversfood bags to seven area schools and
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operates food pantries in four of thoseschools, friends, feeding friends feels,
oh yeah, I guess that is Friends feeding.
Friends feels all childrenshould be respected by providing
an inclusive, non-judgmental,dignified approach to accessing
food tunnels to Towers Foundation.
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Since nine 11, this organization has beenhelping America's heroes by providing
mortgage-free homes to gold star andfallen first responder families with
young children, and by building speciallyadapted smart homes for catastrophically
injured veterans and first responders.
They're also committed toeradicating veteran homelessness.
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The Longmeyer Foundationcouldn't be prouder to support
these groups in their missions.
That's pretty freaking cool
that
it's cool.
You know, Buffalo is abeautiful little town.
It really is.
I like it over there.
The Occidental is an amazing hotel.
It's really freaking cool.
It sits right there as the creek kindof rolls through the town and Yeah.
There's so much history over there.
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You know, the Johnson County Warswere a huge part of Wyoming history.
I was gonna talk about that, but I didn'twant to get into war, but I knew that
you would if you wanted to, oh yeah.
I mean, it was really a cattle war.
Very similar to the, ironically enough,the Johnson County Wars of New Mexico
where Billy, the kid was made famous.
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A similar thing was going on inWyoming where you had the cattle
barons that were basically pushingthe small ranchers off of their land.
The US Calvary was helping 'em, and it wasa big shit storm that blew up over there.
They had big names like Tom Horn,which came out of there, who was hung
for shooting a kid that trespassed.
A woman who ended up gettinghung, one of the few women hung
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in Wyoming was Cattle Cape.
But that's Buffalo, that's thatarea and it's a really neat spot.
So for those that had not been there,I do recommend going through Buffalo
and you know, that's also where wellthat whole area over there is where
a lot of the Sue wars were fought.
It's not very far from Buffalowhere the wagon box fight occurred.
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And then you have Custer's Battlefield,which is really not too far from there.
I've been there.
You should make your way around
like two years ago.
It was pretty cool.
So my, one of my all-time heroesis Crazy Horse and he spent quite
a bit of time running aroundover in that area over there.
I realized when I was looking intothis that we missed Longmire days
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this year and we had discussedit and I was like, dang it.
I know, but then I had surgery,
we missed.
That's true.
That's
what screwed it.
You could have been just,what were you could have been
sitting in a vehicle recovering.
Yeah.
But I, when I'm in a sling, I avoidcrowds because everybody That's true.
Continually bumps into my freakingarm and it's just easier for me
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just to not go than to That's
true.
That's very true.
Spend the whole day
guarded because I don't want peoplebumping into my damn shoulder.
So strap
you and bubble wrap and take you places.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that was kind of like the samething when you asked about the rodeo
and I was like, ah, well if I wasn'ta sling I might be interested.
Yeah.
But I'm gonna pass 'cause No, allright, well this is another sad one.
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You ready for it?
I, yeah.
I don't have tissues,but we'll figure it out.
Yeah.
It's the summer of 1982in Buffalo, Wyoming.
Naomi Kidder is just 18 full of energyheads strung, beautiful, and carrying
the weight of the world on her shoulders.
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She's not just a teenagertrying to figure life out.
She's a mom.
Her baby girl.
Bobby is the center of her universe.
The reason that she's trying so hardto make something better for herself.
Being a single mother in smalltown, Wyoming is not easy.
People talk, they judge, butNaomi's not one to back down.
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She loves her daughter fiercely.
She dreams big, and when a chancecomes up for a quick trip to Rollins
with some friends, she takes it.
Maybe it's for a break, maybeto chase opportunity, maybe
to breathe just for a minute.
She doesn't come back.
She left Buffalo.
With a borrowed backpack and ahandful of cash that wasn't hers.
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She left behind her baby girl.
Not forever by choice, but because someoneout there made that choice for her.
This is where Naomi's story begins.
But for Bobby, thelittle girl left behind.
It was the day herwhole world went silent.
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So Naomi Lee Kidder was bornDecember the 31st, 1963.
In Wyoming.
I couldn't find exactly where, butI'm gonna assume that it was Buffalo.
In the Buffalo area.
That's where her family lived.
She's described as abeautiful 18-year-old.
Suggesting a positive perceptionby family and community.
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You know, pic, the few pictures of her,she's got a big pretty smile and I don't
know, it's just a heartbreaking story.
Her parents lived in Buffaloand so I think that, you know,
the family history is there.
I don't know, you know how farback, I don't know if like our
grandparents and stuff were fromBuffalo as well, but I do know that
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her parents were also from Buffalo.
And like we said in the intro, she wasthe mother of a 1-year-old daughter.
So that little girl would'vebeen born around 1981.
And you know, it's never easyfor a teenage mother ever.
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Yeah.
But the farther back you go, the harderit was because the more the community
looked down their nose at you, you know?
And so we're talking early eighties.
I have no doubt.
There was plenty of thatgoing on in her life,
you
know
for
sure.
People judging her, lookingdown their nose at her.
But she's described as beingoutgoing and adventurous.
(18:07):
And I think maybe a little impulsive.
And I say that just because of theway that this story takes place
and the events of this story.
You're gonna know what I'mtalking about when I say that.
I think that she's a little bit impulsive.
She lived in Buffalo with herparents and her daughter Bobby,
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and she attended Buffalo HighSchool and had recently graduated.
And I couldn't find anything likeacademic achievements or extracurricular
activities or anything like that.
And, you know, with these cases inthese small towns, it's really hard
sometimes to find a lot of information.
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You know, a lot of the biggerplaces have bigger papers and
Yeah.
So you couldn't find
them if, but in this case, I reallycouldn't find much of anything.
It would've been tough for being a singlemom, especially in Buffalo, you know,
Buffalo, especially in the early eighties,it was predominantly a ranching town.
Yeah.
So it's not like, you know, you have abunch of big money over there or anything.
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It would've been tough being a single mom.
There's not a lot of job opportunitiesreally in Buffalo still, there's
not a ton of job opportunities.
Yeah, for the most part.
It is still a very big ranching community.
You know, they, there's a lotof sheep that are raised over in
Buffalo, a lot of sheep and cattle.
But what is that?
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What are those people?
I'm not gonna think of it.
So if you don't know, I'm gonna skip it.
But the people from the, that are,there's so many of 'em over there.
They raised they comehere from another country,
Mennonites?
No.
They come here from anothercountry and their thing is sheep.
They know sheep.
The Basque, there's a huge Basquepopulation over in Buffalo.
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And the Basque are peoplefrom south America.
I don't know.
He says quizzically.
Yeah.
'cause I can't remember off the topof my head, but they're known for,
I mean, they just, they live sheep.
That's what I'm,
and
they know everything about the sheep.
And so there's a big baskcommunity in Buffalo still today.
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And now even you go up into the bighorns and the vast majority of the
sheep herders up there are Basque.
And so they have a big Basquefestival over in Buffalo as well.
What people won't have a festival for.
Yeah.
But I'm here for it,
well, it's really cool.
I mean, it really it's allabout their heritage, you know?
And I don't know it, they're neat people.
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I don't know a whole lot abouttheir culture, but, you know, it's
very, it's that very much SouthAmerican bright colors and fun.
And Dan they have all these like,special, I don't know, their dances,
you know, every culture has their.
Their dances and
And like the bask, have they, althoughgirls wear these really beautiful,
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brightly colored dresses and stuffand dance, it is a ton of fun.
But anyway, that's another kind ofunique thing about Buffalo is you
don't run into a lot of Basque.
Yeah.
Really
across the country.
Yeah.
And in Wyoming.
But in, yeah, but it's because theywere brought in because they know
sheep herding like nobody else.
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They live it.
There's even a Longmireepisode that includes Bask.
Huh?
I've watched 'em all.
I must not have beenpaying enough attention.
Well, that particular episode is theone where the one Bask wife puts the
poisonous stuff in the well and poisonsthe brother because he's wanting to
sell part of the family property.
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Property, yeah.
So she poisons the, wellthat's that particular episode.
So can we have a dark dialogue festival?
I think we should,
because everybody ha is havingfestivals for everything.
I think we probably should.
All right.
And not too far from thereis KC Wyoming where they have
Chris Laue days, which right.
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Is awesome.
If you don't know who Chris Laueis, we just can't be friends.
I know.
I know who he is.
Finally a question Johnasks that I can say yes to.
You know, it would've been hard forNaomi, no doubt about it, just trying to
find a job, raise a daughter on her own.
I couldn't, I don't knowanything about the father.
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I couldn't find anything out about that.
So it would've been a struggle financiallyit would've been very difficult.
And that's kind of indicated inthe way that the story plays out.
You know, she went with friends,she didn't have a lot of money.
She had to borrow money.
And then we will find out, sheends up hitchhiking, which we know.
Sadly how that story usually ends out.
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And it's gonna be the same for Naomi.
Seems to be a theme.
But,
you know, she's living in Buffalo.
She's recently graduated from school.
She's doing her bestto raise her daughter.
And I couldn't find a lotabout this trip to Rollins.
I don't know why for surethey were going to Rollins
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tour the prison like you.
But yeah, I don't know.
I have no idea.
Rollins of all places, actually
that one was probablystill running, wasn't it
in the eighties?
Eighties Probably.
Actually, I don't remember when itclosed, but Rollins just doesn't strike
me as like the vacation destination.
I'm sorry.
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But I was pretty clear about howI felt about Rollins earlier.
Yeah.
In our Rollins episode, itis not my favorite place.
I don't know if.
There was something going on inRollins or I just have no idea, but
Well, I would imagine theyhave a fair or something too.
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Yeah.
Everybody has a fair,
well, of course they do because that's,that was where some of the Rollins
murders occurred, was during the, let'ssee, that would be Converse County
fair, but I don't know why in thehell you go from Buffalo Clear across
the state to go to a fair in Rawlins.
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I don't know.
But we do know that they went, herand a group of friends went and
it seems like it, it really seems like,this group was gonna go down there and
she just wanted to go be with friends.
Typical 18-year-old thing to do, andabsolutely nothing at all wrong with it.
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Yeah she was a mom, but.
You know, she didn't likerun out on her daughter.
She arranged for Yeah.
Moms need a minute too.
She arranged for her parentsto watch her daughter while
she went away for the weekend.
So not a big deal.
Something that, gosh, all of us do.
And there was no like, documentedfamily conflicts or any relationship
conflicts that I could reallycome across in her story at all.
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We do know that she borrowed a backpackand money from her friend in Rollins
before she took off hitchhiking, whichreally suggested to me that she didn't
have much as far as money goes at all.
And let's see.
And you know, unfortunately I justcouldn't, I just couldn't figure
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out a reason for this circle.
I mean, it's happening in June, it's notlikely that it's gonna be a fair, because
that's almost always July I into August.
Yeah.
So I don't know if it wasjust like, I don't know.
Do you want me to look up ifanything was happening in June?
You can see if you canfigure anything out.
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But
June 29th, 1982, Rollins, Wyoming,Naomi Kidder steps out into the
wind with nothing but a backpack,a little bit of cash that didn't
belong to her, and a plan that shehadn't exactly shared with anyone.
Her friends had already left headedback to Buffalo, but Naomi had other
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ideas where she was going next.
Nobody knew for sure, but what'sclear is that she was alone on foot
on the edge of a high desert town.
That doesn't take kindly to wanderers.
She walks east, maybe towards theSinclair truck, stop maybe towards
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someone that she thought she could trust.
She's 18.
Determined, smart, but vulnerablein a way that the world too
often prays on out here.
The roads stretch endlessly andthe shoulders narrow to nothing.
A girl with her thumb out on aWyoming highway in the 1980s might
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as well have been invisible exceptto the worst kinds of people.
This is the last time anyonesees Naomi Kidder alive,
so we do know that.
We do know that her and herfriends got to Rollin's.
Okay.
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And.
There really wasn't, I couldn't findanything of note it, it gets really
weird right here because I reallycouldn't figure out like why she
didn't go back with her friends.
We know that she traveled down therewith them and that were their only,
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damn, that was their, her only ride.
So it's just so weird to me thatshe didn't go back with them.
I don't, I can't get my mind around that.
But we do know that she chose not toreturn to Buffalo with her friends and
instead decided to stay in Rollins.
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And so she borrowed a backpack fromher friend and she borrowed a little
bit of money and I couldn't findout how much, but every place that
described it as a little bit of money.
So I'm thinking that maybe.
20 bucks or something like that.
And you know, Rollins, for those ofyou that aren't familiar with it,
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does sit right on I 80 and it may haveoffered a chance to travel elsewhere.
I don't know.
And we know before she took off,like I said, she took her friend's
backpack, borrowed a little bit ofmoney, and then her friends took
off and they headed back to Buffalo.
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And so we don't know exactly, wethink that Naomi left Rollins on July
29th, but we don't know when we'reguessing probably in the day because
it just wouldn't make a lot of sensefor her to take off after dark.
And she began hitchhiking and intendingto travel to some unknown destination.
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There's no records that confirm herexact route or intended end point, but.
You know, just kind of common sense tellsme that the possibilities would include.
She was headed back to Buffalo, shewas headed to another town in Wyoming,
like maybe Casper or Riverton.
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Or maybe she was traveling outof Wyoming, headed to Denver or
Salt Lake or something like that.
We know that she was last seen inRollins at, but we don't know any other
of the specifics about that at all.
Like we've talked about in so many ofthese cases this season in Rocky Mountain
Reckoning, hitchhiking was a very commonpractice in the early eighties, especially
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in places like rural Wyoming, because Imean, there is zero public transportation,
especially in the 1980s, but even now.
There's almost no public transportationin Wyoming and the economic
constraints that would've beenpresent for a young mother and a young
unwed mother in 19, in the 1980s.
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Like we said, she just wouldn'thave had a lot of money.
So women, especially women, butpeople in general often hitchhiked.
It was very frequent for that to betheir main means of transportation.
And, you know, we know now howdangerous it was, but in the
eighties it was just commonplace.
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It's not telling me
what were you looking for,
why they went to Rollins?
Oh.
If there was anything goingon, like a fair or anything.
Doesn't say.
Yeah, I know.
I sure couldn't find it.
The whole thing reallystrikes me as odd, really odd.
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And I would've expected tosee a report that her and her
friends got into some big fight.
Yeah.
I think you don't borrow thingsfrom people you just bought with.
Right.
And so I don't know if she waslike running away or, I don't know.
It just it's strange to me that youtravel halfway across the state with
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a group of friends and then you'relike, I'm out and go hitchhike.
Yeah.
But unfortunately, I guess thereasons are just left to history.
And the sad part of itis her case was handled.
Poorly.
And so there wasn't a lotof investigation done.
I mean, yeah, it would be reallyfreaking nice to have a sheriff's report
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where they interviewed her friends.
Yeah.
And her friends said thisis what was going on.
Because almost certainly her friends knew,I mean, she didn't just like get up and
walk out and not say anything to anybody.
She borrowed a backpack,she borrowed money.
They knew that they were leaving Rollinswithout a person that went with them.
So there had to have been somediscussion of why the hell
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aren't you coming back with us?
Yeah.
And what the hell are you gonnado and where are you gonna go?
And I don't, at least
I would've been that way.
I don't know much.
I don't know anything about thegroup of friends that she was with.
I don't know if it was girls.
I don't know if it was boys.
I think it's shitty that it happened.
I try to put myself in thatposition and I don't think it
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would've ever happened with me.
I gotta be honest with you, evenat 18, I think I'd have been
like, oh no, you're coming back.
There's no way I'm leaving you.
And if they were insistent, I wouldprobably call their parents and be like,
you leave with who you came with.
I gotta tell you, you know,Naomi is like hitchhiking.
She's taking off.
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She won't get in the car.
Yeah.
What do you want me to do?
I just can't see myself leaving this girl.
No.
Or a guy.
I can't see myself leavinga friend in that situation.
Like I said, you leavewith who you came with.
Yeah.
So it, I mean, it strikes me, the wholething just really strikes me as odd and
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we're left guessing where she was heading.
And we don't know.
You know, like I said, Caspermight've been a potential destination.
Cheyenne Riverton.
Yeah, none of it makes sense.
Not at all.
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Because she's got a1-year-old daughter at home.
There's no indication in anything thatI read that she was like a bad mom or
wasn't interested in being a mom orin any way wanted to desert her baby.
So I don't know, but unfortunately,I don't think we'll ever know because
there's just no information about it.
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The one thing that we do know ison June 29th, 82, she chose not to
return to Buffalo with her friends.
She borrowed a backpack, she borrowedquote, a little bit of money, whatever
that means, and she took off hitchhiking.
So we don't know.
We don't know what happened between June29th, 1982 and September of 1982, when.
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Her body was found.
Wow.
And
so
several months.
Yeah.
So we know that the murder likelyoccurred on or around June 29th.
That's the last time that she was seenalive when she took off hitchhiking.
We're guessing that the murder likelyoccurred in or around Natrona County,
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which is quite a ways from Rollins.
I mean, you're depending, there's a coupledifferent ways you can go from Rollins
to Casper, so yeah, it kind of depends,but you're a little over a hundred
miles, I think, from Rollins to Casper.
And so we don't know where shewas murdered, but she, I mean, she
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may have been murdered right away.
After being picked up relativelyclose to Rollins and then transported
to Natrona County, or she could havebeen murdered in Natrona County.
Relatively quickly beforeher body was dumped.
We don't know.
The cause of death wasstrangulation with barbed wire.
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There was a barbed wire ligature thatwas found knotted around her neck and
the autopsy confirmed strangulationis her primary cause of death with
no additional details on injuries.
So I don't know aboutsexual assault or anything.
She had been out there for severalmonths and so decomposition would've
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definitely had a, had an effecton, especially like sexual assault.
Yeah.
A lot of the time indicationsof sexual assault are only
soft tissue injuries, which.
You lose with any kind of decomposition.
So
I would hate to see other injuries apartfrom soft tissue during a sexual assault.
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That would be
right.
Well, I mean, you could have utterlyviolent, you could have other
injuries, but they wouldn't necessarilybe indicative of sexual assault.
You know what I'm saying?
That's
what I'm saying, a sexual assaultincident that causes bone damage.
Utterly, yeah, utterly tragic.
Yeah.
But you know, the wire knotted,wire ligature around her
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neck that was already tragic.
Definitely indicates adeliberate violent act.
And it's consistent with the controldriven homicides that we've seen
across the Great Basin, althoughthis one is absolutely unique.
Nowhere else have youhave we found or will.
In this series, a victim withbarbed wire used as a ligature.
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I gotta be honest, I don't thinkI've ever heard of that before.
In any case.
Stolen.
Stolen
from a fence.
We don't know
who the hell knows.
We have no idea.
So I don't even know the exactdate that her body was found.
Just early to mid-September is all I know.
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And it was found in countyWyoming, near Casper.
I thought I read that.
Which is northeast of Rollins.
What's that?
I thought I read thatthe day it was found.
Oh, did you?
So it was found in a remote dumpsite and like we said it was
severely decomposed and partiallymummified, which is indicative of
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exposure for two to three months.
So we're pretty positive thatshe was dumped relatively
soon after she was last seen,
discovered September 10th, 1982.
Okay.
Thank you for that.
So really no other forensic detailsthat I found listed as far as like
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clothing, personal items, and, you know,a lot of that is probably due to the
length of time that she was out there.
And then, like so many of thesevictims, the vast majority of
them, they're dumped with nothing.
A lot
of them are, don't even havetheir clothes when they're dumped.
They're literally dumped with nothing.
So Naomi was initially unidentifiedand labeled as a Jane Doe and.
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We know that a missing person'sreport was filed July 1st with
the Buffalo Police Department.
And then, and that was just two daysafter her last sighting in Rollins.
And I'm sure that, you know, whenshe didn't come home, her parents
were probably freaking frantic andfiled a missing person's report.
It's odd as shit to me that, I mean, we'retalking 1982, we're not talking 1922.
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Yeah.
Or 1902.
And even in 1902 in Wyoming I thinkthat somebody missing from Buffalo.
Yeah.
You have a body found in Casper.
Yeah.
It seems absurd to me that she wouldgo unidentified until freaking 1994.
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12 years.
Yeah.
And they couldn't puttwo and two together.
Yeah.
Who's missing?
That's insane to me.
Even like I say, even in1982, that is insane to me.
You know, we have, we've talked aboutthe, or several unidentified victims
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and we still have more to discuss, butspeaking specifically about like our Elco
County chain does that, we've coveredthis season like Star Valley and Devil's
Gate in Thousand Springs, and that'sa lot different because first of all,
we don't know where they came from.
But
I'm assuming maybe they camefrom out of Nevada, so Yeah.
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Okay.
I can get it.
19 72, 19 74, maybe a missing person'sreport from Nevada doesn't make
it to, I don't know, Connecticutor Florida or wherever the hell.
But a missing person's reportdoesn't make it from freaking
Buffalo, Wyoming to Casper, Wyoming.
Yeah.
That's insane to me.
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And it's insane to me thata body would be found.
It would take me, it wouldn'teven take me an afternoon.
It would take me a couple hoursmaybe to call every law enforcement
agency in the state of Wyoming.
And say, Hey, I've gota body I just picked up.
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It appears to be a young female,I don't know, maybe they said
her ages were between 16 and 25.
I've got a young victim, ages 16 to 25.
Female.
Are you missing anybody?
Yeah, I could do that.
And I'm not even exaggerating.
Probably a couple hours.
You're not talking about thatmany phone calls and the calls
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don't have to be that long.
No.
It's a yes or no.
Yeah.
Or you know, a yes.
And then you get specifics.
That call might end up being a long one.
Yeah.
But when they're like, no,I don't have any missings.
Following that, youknow, with that, I mean,
yeah,
you're not even askingsomebody to take a day.
You're asking somebody totake a few freaking hours and
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make a couple phone calls.
I don't know.
I think it's absurd.
I think it's absolutely inexcusable.
Yeah.
That she was left unidentifiedfor this long 'cause you're
talking shit it, it ain't veryfar from Buffalo to Casper at all.
No, a hundred miles maybe.
Yeah, something like that.
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It's not very far.
And then on top.
And then on top of that, then herdental records weren't entered
into NCIC until March of 1994.
Yeah.
Again, absolutely inexcusable.
And once they were entered,they came back with a match.
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So we know that Buffalo didwhat they should have done.
Buffalo.
Yeah.
Did the missing portions report.
They obviously uploaded her known dentalrecords to NCIC, but it took Natron County
12 freaking years to do it unexcusable.
And you know, I get itthat this was the 1980s.
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There was limited forensic databasesand Wyoming is a rural place.
But I also know that Casper PoliceDepartment, and this was I'm pretty
sure Naron County Sheriff's Office isnow and was then one of the largest
law enforcement agencies in the state.
Casper is our second largest city.
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So of all of the d differentsheriff's offices and police
departments in the state.
Casper would've beenmost well equipped, yeah.
To make sure that this shit gottaken care of and it didn't.
So unfortunately, Naron County Sheriff'sOffice and any larger Wyoming authorities
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investigated the body as a Jane Doeand chalked it up to hitchhiking.
And I think, I don't think theydid much of anything, to be
perfectly freaking honest with you.
So no suspects were identified, obviously.
And
it definitely fits in withour whole Great Basin series.
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I mean, as sad as it freaking is, Icould have written one script and just
changed the name and I could have talkedabout almost all of these victims.
They're almost all the same.
Yeah.
You know,
and it's so damn sad.
But it's a fact.
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So we know what the little teeny,tiny infinitesimal bit that we know
is Naomi Kidder was likely murderedon or very near June 29th, 1982.
My guess is that she was probablypicked up in Rollins and was given
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a ride to Natrona County and that ismost likely where she was probably
murdered relatively shortly beforeher body was dumped would be my guess.
The whole barbed wire thing.
I don't know how that factors in unlessshe was drug out of the vehicle and
raped and murdered, like out thereon the plains and that was, there was
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just a piece of barbed wire handy.
Which in Wyoming is justdamn near everywhere.
Unless you're on like a city street.
Yeah.
Pretty much everywhere else you go.
Barbed wire's not too far away,so it doesn't surprise me it
would fit with something likethat, but we really don't know.
We do know that barbed wire is a veryunique signature to her case that, like
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I said, being a true crime junkie thathas researched hundreds of cases, at
least I've never heard of that before.
I'm sure that it's been done.
I'm sure that wire has been used.
Barbed wire has been used as a ligature,but I've never heard of it before.
Yeah,
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it is kind of sounding familiar to me,but I don't know if it's just 'cause I've
been trying to think aboutit since you first said it.
Right.
Yep.
Naron County, 1982, the kind ofplace where the silence has teeth.
Naomi's body was found in September,decomposed, partially mummified, left
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like garbage off a remote stretch ofdirt road, a barbed wire, ligature
still knotted around her neck.
Whoever killed her didn'tjust want her gone.
They wanted her silenced,discarded, erased.
But people like Naomi don'tvanish without someone seeing
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something and killers like this.
They don't strike just once Over theyears, names have floated to the surface.
Some lived nearby, some passed through.
Some were monsters we didn't knowabout yet, and others we just
refuse to see for what they were.
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The next segment, we're gonna walkthrough each of those names one by
one because somebody out there knowswhich of these men turned Naomi's
final walk into a death sentence.
Alright, so let's talk about our suspects.
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And again, just like I got donesaying I could just change the name
and use the same list of shit brainworthless pieces of freaking garbage.
'cause it's gonna be the same.
Not gonna spend a lot of time on eachone of these for just because it's
gonna get boring talking about this,telling the same story every episode.
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Yeah.
So we got Royal Russell along.
Piece of shit was a Carney trucker.
He's a high suspect forthe Rollins Rodeo murders.
He's up there for Belinda May Grantham.
We know that he, we know that hekidnapped Sharon Bald Eagle, where
at least in my opinion, I'm certainhe murdered Sharon Bald Eagle.
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Right?
We know that he most likelykilled multiple girls across
Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma.
He's a piece of shit.
We know that.
I don't think he's a very goodfit for Naomi Kidder at all.
Maybe 10% likelihood it just doesn'tmatch his mo we've talked about it before.
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He typically, he's focusing on for themost part, he's focusing on like carnivals
and rodeos and shit like that, and itjust, it really doesn't match him and.
My favorite suspect on this one,
Del Wayne Eaton,
surprisingly no, but I knewyou were gonna say that.
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Robert Ben Rhodes.
Nope.
Really?
Nope.
Larry Dwayne Hall.
So first of all, this piece of shitis one of the ugliest bastards.
I, Robert Ben Rhodes has him beatfor ugly, but this guy, he is got the
dumbass facial hair thing that I don'teven know what the hell you call that.
Is that like a FU Man chew?
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Isn't that what that is?
Oh, I think
so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's a FU man chew.
Wow.
He's a freaking loser.
He was convicted of Jessica LynnRoach's, 1993 kidnapping, but he
suspected in up to 50 murders.
We, you know, we've talked about him andwe'll continue to talk about him because
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he is a piece of shit that was activein the area during this period of time.
We know that he was active in 1982and he suspected in killings in
Wyoming, including Buffalo, the Buffaloarea, where Naomi was a native to.
But
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the biggest reason that he is likenumber one on my suspect list, and
honestly everybody's suspect listis because a document with Naomi
Kidder's name on it was found in hispossession in 1994 when he was arrested.
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Oh, nice.
So how did he get that?
Yeah.
We also know that.
His MO is strangulation sexual assault.
He targeted young female hitchhikers,which aligns perfectly in Naomi's case.
The barbed wire is unique,but like I said, the barbed
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wire is unique to everybody.
I think that it was justa weapon of opportunity.
I think that it likely was layingnear wherever he murdered her.
Yeah.
And he
reached over and grabbed it.
No different than, you know,somebody's killing somebody in a
kitchen and they grab a freakingcast iron skillet to kill him with.
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You know, it's just, itwas there and he used it.
I couldn't figure out exactlywhat the document was that he had
in his possession, but it is thestrongest circumstantial evidence.
And along with, we know that the sonof a bitch was in Wyoming during this
period of time, and his mo matches.
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But then we off, we have to includeDale Wayne Eaton as a possibility.
That piece of shit continues topop up in all of these cases.
We also know that his MO was to rapeand strangle victims, stab victims.
Who the hell knows what all he did?
He's a sick, disgusting sadist, butI just don't think that I, I mean,
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for me, the document with her nameon it, yeah, that's huge for me.
The same
year she was identified.
Yeah, I think that wasjust coincidental but
still.
But yeah, I mean, that's huge.
And I couldn't figure out like whatthe document was, but from all the
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reports surrounding it, it makes methink that it's not like a newspaper
report, that it's more like a checkor something that was personally hers.
Yeah, a trophy.
Yeah.
Not something that justhappened to have her name on it.
But something that had belonged toher and you know, Dale Wayne Eaton's
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gonna always come up, so is RobertBen Rhodes, but Robert, Ben Rhodes.
Again, I just don't thinkhe's a very good fit for her.
His MO doesn't really match.
Wow.
His MO doesn't really match.
I mean, he definitely kidnapped women.
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He raped them and he murdered them.
But the son of a bitch was knownfor having a torture chamber
in the sleeper of his truck.
So he's not the kind of killer that'sgoing to be out murdering somebody
out in the prairie and pick up.
A piece of barbed wireto strangle him with.
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Yeah.
And maybe that's not what happened, butif it's something he had in his truck,
then we would've seen it in other victims.
Yeah.
If that was like his signature.
He liked to use barbed wire,but we don't see it anywhere
else unless he decided to change it up.
But doubtful,
not likely.
Yeah
I don't think he's a good fit at all.
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Plus the fact his known trucking routeswere not up in that area of Wyoming.
He potentially went across I 80, but hisbig area was like Texas up into Utah.
So he's just not a good fit for me.
I think that it really comes downto two, and that is Hall and Eaton.
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And I say Eaton because we knowthat he was active in this area.
During that period of time.
And we also know that a lot ofher murder details do fit his mo.
But for me, having a documentwith the victim's name on it found
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in a known killer's possession.
That's huge evidence.
But, and he confessed, then took it back.
Answered.
Yeah.
So I think that the pieceof shit is the killer.
I wish that, I dunno, I wish thatthey would at least try him for it.
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Honestly, I think that there's enoughcircumstantial evidence, and again,
I don't know what that document is.
If it really truly is somethingthat was personal to her, then
you think that he should be tried.
And if he's found not guilty, fine.
Screw it.
His son of a bitch is in jail.
Anyway,
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I was about to say maybe they'reconsidering it since they're not
telling us what the document was.
Maybe, or maybe I didn't find it.
I do find it extraordinarily sadthat I read an article written
not written by, but about herdaughter who is like our age.
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She's a little younger than me.
Yeah.
Younger than me too.
She's never, she ne shehas no memory of her mom.
She was one,
yeah.
When this happened, and shewould've been 13 when her mom was
identified, finally
identified.
I mean, what this poor girlhas gone through in her life.
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Luckily, it sounds like, you know, shehad really great grandparents who just
took her and raised her like their own.
And you know, it didn't sound like she'dhad a bad life as far as that goes.
But as a child, I cannot imaginegoing through something like that.
And then you go through thetrauma of losing your mom
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growing up without your mom.
I mean, luckily she was one, and solosing her mom, she wouldn't have really
experienced, she wasn't old enough to
Yeah.
But as she grew up, growing upwithout her mom would've been
extraordinarily difficult.
But then that wound is rippedopen all over again 12 years
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later when her mom is identified.
And then she would've had to have gonethrough the, that whole trauma and
then getting the body back up, finallyhaving a funeral and everything.
And you know, the samefor Naomi's parents.
For a child, God, thathad to have been hard.
Yeah.
It had to have been so hard.
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Did you have somethingyou were looking up?
Yeah, if I could find what
the paper was, what the document was.
Oh.
So you know, unfortunatelywith Naomi's case,
there's really not muchmore for me to say there.
There just isn't much more that we know.
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There's very few detailsavailable in this case.
So we spent this e episode tracingthe quiet tragedy of Naomi Kidder,
an 18-year-old girl with a daughterat home, a restless spirit in
her bones, and a future thatended somewhere between Rollins.
A dirt road outside of Casper.
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She wasn't some anonymous runaway.
She was a mother, a sister, a daughter,and someone out there decided that
she didn't deserve to come home.
Theories have swirled for decades.
Some names continued tocome up again and again.
Others are whispered in forums andcase files, but never confirmed.
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And while no one has ever beenarrested for Naomi's murder,
the list of possibilities growsclearer the deeper that you dig.
So walking through the most likelysuspects because someone out there
still holding the missing piece.
We've got Larry Dwayne Hall, who topsthe list at a solid 40% or better.
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His documented activity in Wyoming,his obsession with young women, his mo.
The document that was in hisposition in his possession
reportedly listing Naomi's name.
That's not coincidence.
That's a huge red flag soaked in blood.
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Number two, we've got Dale Wayne, Eaton.
This piece of shit comes up all thetime and I figure him at about a 25%.
In Naomi's case, he was living justmiles from where Naomi's body was dumped.
His known behaviors and geographyfit his Manita residence, his violent
tendencies, all of it lines up withthe brutality that Naomi endured.
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We also can't rule out anunknown local offender.
Also, about a 25% chance NatronaCounty is remote, rugged, and
filled with places where a bodycould stay hidden for decades.
Someone who knew those backroads and oil filled halls might
have had the perfect cover.
There's also the unknown one-offoffender, which I put it maybe 20%
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a traveler, a trucker hitchhikera hitchhiking nightmare come true.
Rollins sits on I 80, whichis a pipeline for predators
as we know after this season.
We also have to admit that there couldbe another unknown serial killer since
every other son of a bitch in the countrywas running around there, running around
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Wyoming during this period of time.
There's probably somethat we don't know about.
No doubt there's probably about a 15%chance that it's an unknown serial
killer, which could definitely betied to other great basin murders.
Royal Russell Long.
I put it 10% for the reasonsI already talked about.
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Robert Ben Rhodes and Clark PerryBaldwin, 5% at best, I would say on them.
And Naomi Kidder's case sits in limbo.
Not for lack of evidence, but becausethe system failed her over and over,
her dental records weren't evenentered into NCIC until freaking 1994.
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She sat in a cold case file for12 years, unknown unnamed while
her killer breathes free air.
And when officials went looking for DNAevidence decades later, nothing that kind
of negligence isn't just frustrating.
It's devastating.
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It turns maybe somedayinto probably never.
But that's the thing about the truth.
It doesn't rot, it waits.
And if someone's still out therestill holding onto guilt, still
holding back the full story, thisis your wake up call because no,
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Naomi deserves better than silence.
Bobby, her daughterdeserves some damn answers.
This isn't just a case, it's a wound.
And until someone facesjustice, it stays open.
Naomi Lee Kidder wasn't just a name anda file or a photograph frozen in time.
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She was a daughter, a friend,a young woman still carving
her place in the world.
But above all, she was a mother.
At just 18 years old, Naomi carried theweight of a child in a thousand dreams.
Her baby girl, Bobby, was her light.
The one person, Naomi wouldnever have willingly left behind.
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She wasn't running awayfrom responsibility.
She was walking toward possibility,looking for work, looking for a change.
Looking maybe for a life that she hadn'tyet be been given the chance to build.
And for Bobby, that loss wasn'tjust tragic, it was life defining.
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Because when someone kills amother, they don't just take one
life, they fracture a family.
They leave behind birthdays, missedlullabies, unsung, and decades of
questions that never get answers.
Bobby grew up with a hole where hermother's voice should have been a
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whole childhood marked by absence,no warm and brace before school,
no hand to hold during heartbreak.
No one to whisper back.
I love you too.
Just silence and the haunting knowledgethat her mother's final moments
were stolen, violent, and unjust.
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Naomi never got to watch her daughtertake her first steps into adulthood.
She never gotta see Bobby laughat her own child's jokes or cry
over life's little heartbreaks.
She was robbed of every milestone,every ordinary miracle that
mothers are meant to witness.
But even in death, Naomimattered and her life mattered.
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And the fact that she was forgotten,unidentified for 12 years abandoned
by the very systems that weresupposed to protect her is an insult
that cannot be forgiven today.
We remember Naomi, not as astatistic or a cautionary tale,
but as a whole human being.
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A mother, a woman would strengthenher bones, courage in her heart, and
love in her hands, even if the worlddidn't give her the time to show.
To Bobby, whose strength inthe face of unimaginable loss
is its own kind of legacy.
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We see you too.
We honor you and we stand with you indemanding answers, accountability, and
the dignity that your mother deserved.
Because Naomi Kidder shouldnever have been a mystery.
She should have been a mother growing old,and we will never forget her name again.
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Naomi Kidder deserved somuch more than what she got.
She deserved a life, a future, achance to raise her daughter and
find her own place in the world.
Instead, she got a barbed wire noose anda shallow grave off some godforsaken,
Wyoming back road, and then thesystem failed her all over again.
(01:05:30):
Her family filed a missing person reportin 1982, and yet her dental records
weren't even uploaded until 19 94,12 years of silence, 12 years where
she remained just another Jane Doe.
While the people who loved herwaited and wondered and broke,
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she was 18, just a kid herself, andshe had a baby, Bobby, a little girl,
who had to grow up without answers,without memories, and without the
kind of justice that any of us woulddemand if it was our own family.
This wasn't just a crime, it was atheft, a disappearance, a brutal act
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followed by institutional apathy.
You want me to read that again?
Maybe just the last sentence.
A brutal act followedby institutional apathy,
and make no mistake.
Somebody out there knows who did this.
Maybe they were in Rollins that summer.
Maybe they knew Naomi.
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Maybe they've stayed silent.
Because silence is easy when you're,when it's not your daughter who's gone.
Well, it's not easy forus and it never will be.
If you know what happened to NaomiKidder, anything at all, reach out.
You can contact the Wyoming DCIcontact Nitro County Sheriff.
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Naomi's story may have been buriedfor over a decade, but we're digging
it up and we're not stopping untilthe people responsible for her
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death and for the coverup thatfollowed are held accountable.
Remember, make the guiltyface the reckoning.
There's something especially brutalabout a life stolen in silence.
No headlines, no helicopters,no frantic media blitz.
Just a teenager, 18 years old,vanishing on the open road and
being left to rot in a canyon.
While the world kept spinning, NaomiKidder wasn't running from home.
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She wasn't caught in some crimering or tangled in bad decisions.
She was a young woman who took a tripwith friends to Rollins, Wyoming in
the summer of 1982, and for reasonswe still don't fully understand,
she decided not to return with them.
She took a backpack, a little bit ofmoney, and she set out on foot, and
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somewhere between the town she leftand the life that she hoped to return
to, someone ended her story violently.
And permanently.
Her body wasn't found for months, and hername wasn't restored for over a decade.
Why?
Because even when bones are found, girlslike Naomi don't always get priority
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because the system didn't bother to puther dental records into NCIC until 1994
because someone strangled her with barbedwire, tied it off like garbage, and left
her to be forgotten in Toronto County.
But she wasn't forgotten.
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Not by her family, not by those ofus who still care and not by the
landscape of the Great Basin, whichcontinues to whisper the names of
its dead if you're willing to listen.
So that's what we're doing here today.
We're listening.
We're digging.
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Refusing to let this one slide intoobscurity because Naomi mattered
and so did what happened to her.
Welcome to Rocky Mountain Reckoning.
Now let's get to work,
Angela.
Some cases make you angry, not because ofhow they ended, but because of how long No
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one noticed how long a name went unspoken.
Yeah.
Naomi Kidder was 18.
She had a backpack, a few dollarsand a long summer ahead of her.
She was supposed to ride back toBuffalo with friends, but instead she
disappeared into the Wyoming basin.
Her body was found monthslater, badly decomposed.
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Left out near a remotepatch of Natrona County.
She'd been strangled with wireburied, shallow and forgotten,
but not identified.
12 years, 12 years ofbeing listed as a Jane Doe.
12 years where the system missedher because her dental records
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weren't uploaded, because the dotsweren't connected because someone
thought a missing girl from asmall town didn't matter enough.
This is Dark dialogue.
Rocky Mountain Reckoning, the series wherewe returned to the crimes rooted deep
in the dirt and the snow of the AmericanWest, the ones that never left the hearts
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of the people who lived through them.
We investigate the stories buriedunder snowfall, prairie dust, and
decades of unan unanswered questions.
The ones whispered through cattlefences, past broken barbed wire,
and across wind lash highways.
Disappearance isn't always about gettinglost, sometimes someone's waiting.
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I'm Angela.
And I'm John.
And in this episode,we'll tell Naomi Kidder's.
How she vanished, how she, how herbody was left to fade and how the
system failed her more than once,
because Naomi didn'tjust disappear in 1982.
She disappeared again intopaperwork, silence, and neglect.
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But no more.
This is the girl who disappeared twice.
And this is Dark dialogue.
Rocky Mountain Reckoning.
So Angela, I think you dug up somelocation information for us on this one.
I did.
Still in Wyoming.
Still in Wyoming.
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Still in some little towns in Wyoming.
I
wish the hell we could get a hell outof Wyoming because I don't like talking
about all this shit that's close to home.
I
know.
We're getting it over with though.
That's true.
So hopefully we don't have to comeback to Bullshittery in Wyoming.
Oh, we will.
We're just.
We're getting through the GreatBasin side of Wyoming, but
there's all kinds of bullshitterin Wyoming still left to cover.
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We can take a vacation and talk aboutBullshittery elsewhere in between.
Well, cl it penzer is whatI was just about to say.
Yes.
A cl atlin.
Yes.
Yes.
One of those.
The Sam Hell, and the fact that I justwent ahead and said it anyway, whatever.
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So this episode takesus to Buffalo, Wyoming,
located almost in equal distancebetween Yellowstone National
Park and Mount Rushmore.
Buffalo.
Wyoming is a town with a richhistory rooted in the American West,
particularly the era of frontierexpansion and the Johnson County War.
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Founded in 1879 alongside FortMcKinney, it served as a supply
point for the fort and a haven forTravelers on the Bozeman Trail.
Town's name is attributed to a suggestionmade at the Occidental Hotel where a
resident of Buffalo, New York proposedthe name for the new settlement.
It officially becameincorporated in March, 1884.
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I stayed the Occidental too.
It's freaking did you?
Awesome.
I've seen it.
I haven't stayed there.
I
stayed there and then, and there'slike a room upstairs that has all
these old maps and books and it'salmost like a research library that
you just go hang out in if you're,
it's like a John Haven.
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It is, man.
I drove my girlfriend crazy.
She's finally like, we gotta go,I'm gonna stay in the whole week.
Right here, right, right in this room.
So John will lead me to explain a littlebit about the historic accidental hotel.
So I've taken this directlyfrom travel wyoming.com.
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Quote, when you step through thefront door of the historic Occidental
Hotel in Buffalo, Wyoming, you aretruly stepping back into the old West,
standing on ground trod by the likesof Butch Cassidy and calamity Jane.
In addition, everywhere youlook, you will see the way it
really was In Frontier days.
The stunning embossed ceilings in thelobby and the saloon are the original
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ceilings, the magnificent back bar,and the, sorry, this is way too small.
The stunning embossed ceilingsin the lobby and the saloon
are the original ceilings.
The magnificent back bar in thesaloon is the original back bar.
Even the chairs you will sit on are likelyto be antiques original to the hotel.
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The original Occidental Hotel has beenaccurately and beautifully restored to
its original grandeur and is the onlyfully restored frontier hotel in Wyoming.
The accommodations combinehistoric authenticity and modern
comforts, and all suites and roomsare furnished with antiques and
decorated in elegant period style.
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All of them also have privatebaths, comfortable queen or king
beds, and central air conditioning.
Award-winning restoration of one of thegreatest frontier hotels of Wyoming.
Includes elegant and spacious suites.
Available beautifully restored, 1908saloon, complete with the bullet holes.
Fine Western dining in an opulent 1890setting at the Virginian Restaurant,
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outdoor Dining at the Clear CreekCafe during the summer season.
Founded in 1879 in a tentalongside Clear Creek.
The Occidental Hotel was the firstestablishment in the area that
later became Buffalo, Wyoming.
Today, the Occidental boasts tworestaurants, the only Authentic Frontier
Saloon in Wyoming, a living historymuseum, and some of the most comfortable
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and beautifully restored rooms andsuites to be found anywhere, making
it the perfect venue for everything.
From business conferences, toweddings, to a simple overnight stay.
Truly one of the historictreasures of Wyoming.
The Occidental is also a fullyfunctional hotel with all the
modern amenities includingsatellite TV and wireless access.
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End quote.
Just a few years after Buffalo wasincorporated, the population was 1,807
people, which grew to about 3,799 people.
During the time when this case tookplace, 4,415 residents were reported
to live there at the 2020 census time.
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For my notable people portion,
I like this part.
He sits up.
The few I selected from Buffalowere two of Wyoming's governors,
Mr. Frank E. Lewis, and our33rd governor, Mr. Mark Gordon.
Now, I know that most residentsof Wyoming, at least those in the
general area, would come for me ifI didn't mention Longmeyer days.
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Damn straight.
The annual celebration in Buffalo,Wyoming, honoring Craig Johnson's
fictional city of Durant, andthey say ABCA County, we say ab.
AB Zorka.
And his Longmeyer mystery serieswas inspired by real places
and landmarks in the community.
It took place from July 17th, 17through the 20th this year, and I
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took an excerpt from their website togive some insight into what this event
does besides celebrating the TV show,because it's actually pretty darn cool.
Yeah, it is.
Quote, at the core of the long mower.
That's not part of the quote.
I added that quote.
At the core, at the very core of theLongmire Foundation is a dedication
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to community support, our localcommunity and the larger area.
Oh, okay.
Our local community and the larger ideaof what a community is at its heart.
Our annual goal is alwaysto support the community.
So 2025 charitable donations were theLongmeyer Foundation plans to support
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friends, feeding friends of Johnson Countyand Tunnels to Towers Foundation, friends,
feeding friends of Johnson County.
No Hungry Children in Johnson County isthe vision of this amazing organization.
The J-C-F-F-F.
They are at J-C-F-F-F.
They are passionate aboutfeeding kids from the governing
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board of staff to there.
I'm struggling with this.
There we go.
It's just too small.
At J-C-F-F-F, they're passionate aboutfeeding kids from the governing board and
the staff to their large volunteer base.
They work to make food availablefor the kids of Johnson County.
This organization currently deliversfood bags to seven area schools and
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operates food pantries in four of thoseschools, friends, feeding friends feels,
oh yeah, I guess that is Friends feeding.
Friends feels all childrenshould be respected by providing
an inclusive, non-judgmental,dignified approach to accessing
food tunnels to Towers Foundation.
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Since nine 11, this organization has beenhelping America's heroes by providing
mortgage-free homes to gold star andfallen first responder families with
young children, and by building speciallyadapted smart homes for catastrophically
injured veterans and first responders.
They're also committed toeradicating veteran homelessness.
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The Longmeyer Foundationcouldn't be prouder to support
these groups in their missions.
That's pretty freaking cool
that
it's cool.
You know, Buffalo is abeautiful little town.
It really is.
I like it over there.
The Occidental is an amazing hotel.
It's really freaking cool.
It sits right there as the creek kindof rolls through the town and Yeah.
There's so much history over there.
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You know, the Johnson County Warswere a huge part of Wyoming history.
I was gonna talk about that, but I didn'twant to get into war, but I knew that
you would if you wanted to, oh yeah.
I mean, it was really a cattle war.
Very similar to the, ironically enough,the Johnson County Wars of New Mexico
where Billy, the kid was made famous.
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A similar thing was going on inWyoming where you had the cattle
barons that were basically pushingthe small ranchers off of their land.
The US Calvary was helping 'em, and it wasa big shit storm that blew up over there.
They had big names like Tom Horn,which came out of there, who was hung
for shooting a kid that trespassed.
A woman who ended up gettinghung, one of the few women hung
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in Wyoming was Cattle Cape.
But that's Buffalo, that's thatarea and it's a really neat spot.
So for those that had not been there,I do recommend going through Buffalo
and you know, that's also where wellthat whole area over there is where
a lot of the Sue wars were fought.
It's not very far from Buffalowhere the wagon box fight occurred.
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And then you have Custer's Battlefield,which is really not too far from there.
I've been there.
You should make your way around
like two years ago.
It was pretty cool.
So my, one of my all-time heroesis Crazy Horse and he spent quite
a bit of time running aroundover in that area over there.
I realized when I was looking intothis that we missed Longmire days
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this year and we had discussedit and I was like, dang it.
I know, but then I had surgery,
we missed.
That's true.
That's
what screwed it.
You could have been just,what were you could have been
sitting in a vehicle recovering.
Yeah.
But I, when I'm in a sling, I avoidcrowds because everybody That's true.
Continually bumps into my freakingarm and it's just easier for me
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just to not go than to That's
true.
That's very true.
Spend the whole day
guarded because I don't want peoplebumping into my damn shoulder.
So strap
you and bubble wrap and take you places.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that was kind of like the samething when you asked about the rodeo
and I was like, ah, well if I wasn'ta sling I might be interested.
Yeah.
But I'm gonna pass 'cause No, allright, well this is another sad one.
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You ready for it?
I, yeah.
I don't have tissues,but we'll figure it out.
Yeah.
It's the summer of 1982in Buffalo, Wyoming.
Naomi Kidder is just 18 full of energyheads strung, beautiful, and carrying
the weight of the world on her shoulders.
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She's not just a teenagertrying to figure life out.
She's a mom.
Her baby girl.
Bobby is the center of her universe.
The reason that she's trying so hardto make something better for herself.
Being a single mother in smalltown, Wyoming is not easy.
People talk, they judge, butNaomi's not one to back down.
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She loves her daughter fiercely.
She dreams big, and when a chancecomes up for a quick trip to Rollins
with some friends, she takes it.
Maybe it's for a break, maybeto chase opportunity, maybe
to breathe just for a minute.
She doesn't come back.
She left Buffalo.
With a borrowed backpack and ahandful of cash that wasn't hers.
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She left behind her baby girl.
Not forever by choice, but because someoneout there made that choice for her.
This is where Naomi's story begins.
But for Bobby, thelittle girl left behind.
It was the day herwhole world went silent.
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So Naomi Lee Kidder was bornDecember the 31st, 1963.
In Wyoming.
I couldn't find exactly where, butI'm gonna assume that it was Buffalo.
In the Buffalo area.
That's where her family lived.
She's described as abeautiful 18-year-old.
Suggesting a positive perceptionby family and community.
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You know, pic, the few pictures of her,she's got a big pretty smile and I don't
know, it's just a heartbreaking story.
Her parents lived in Buffaloand so I think that, you know,
the family history is there.
I don't know, you know how farback, I don't know if like our
grandparents and stuff were fromBuffalo as well, but I do know that
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her parents were also from Buffalo.
And like we said in the intro, she wasthe mother of a 1-year-old daughter.
So that little girl would'vebeen born around 1981.
And you know, it's never easyfor a teenage mother ever.
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Yeah.
But the farther back you go, the harderit was because the more the community
looked down their nose at you, you know?
And so we're talking early eighties.
I have no doubt.
There was plenty of thatgoing on in her life,
you
know
for
sure.
People judging her, lookingdown their nose at her.
But she's described as beingoutgoing and adventurous.
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And I think maybe a little impulsive.
And I say that just because of theway that this story takes place
and the events of this story.
You're gonna know what I'mtalking about when I say that.
I think that she's a little bit impulsive.
She lived in Buffalo with herparents and her daughter Bobby,
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and she attended Buffalo HighSchool and had recently graduated.
And I couldn't find anything likeacademic achievements or extracurricular
activities or anything like that.
And, you know, with these cases inthese small towns, it's really hard
sometimes to find a lot of information.
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You know, a lot of the biggerplaces have bigger papers and
Yeah.
So you couldn't find
them if, but in this case, I reallycouldn't find much of anything.
It would've been tough for being a singlemom, especially in Buffalo, you know,
Buffalo, especially in the early eighties,it was predominantly a ranching town.
Yeah.
So it's not like, you know, you have abunch of big money over there or anything.
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It would've been tough being a single mom.
There's not a lot of job opportunitiesreally in Buffalo still, there's
not a ton of job opportunities.
Yeah, for the most part.
It is still a very big ranching community.
You know, they, there's a lotof sheep that are raised over in
Buffalo, a lot of sheep and cattle.
But what is that?
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What are those people?
I'm not gonna think of it.
So if you don't know, I'm gonna skip it.
But the people from the, that are,there's so many of 'em over there.
They raised they comehere from another country,
Mennonites?
No.
They come here from anothercountry and their thing is sheep.
They know sheep.
The Basque, there's a huge Basquepopulation over in Buffalo.
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And the Basque are peoplefrom south America.
I don't know.
He says quizzically.
Yeah.
'cause I can't remember off the topof my head, but they're known for,
I mean, they just, they live sheep.
That's what I'm,
and
they know everything about the sheep.
And so there's a big baskcommunity in Buffalo still today.
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And now even you go up into the bighorns and the vast majority of the
sheep herders up there are Basque.
And so they have a big Basquefestival over in Buffalo as well.
What people won't have a festival for.
Yeah.
But I'm here for it,
well, it's really cool.
I mean, it really it's allabout their heritage, you know?
And I don't know it, they're neat people.
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I don't know a whole lot abouttheir culture, but, you know, it's
very, it's that very much SouthAmerican bright colors and fun.
And Dan they have all these like,special, I don't know, their dances,
you know, every culture has their.
Their dances and
And like the bask, have they, althoughgirls wear these really beautiful,
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brightly colored dresses and stuffand dance, it is a ton of fun.
But anyway, that's another kind ofunique thing about Buffalo is you
don't run into a lot of Basque.
Yeah.
Really
across the country.
Yeah.
And in Wyoming.
But in, yeah, but it's because theywere brought in because they know
sheep herding like nobody else.
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They live it.
There's even a Longmireepisode that includes Bask.
Huh?
I've watched 'em all.
I must not have beenpaying enough attention.
Well, that particular episode is theone where the one Bask wife puts the
poisonous stuff in the well and poisonsthe brother because he's wanting to
sell part of the family property.
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Property, yeah.
So she poisons the, wellthat's that particular episode.
So can we have a dark dialogue festival?
I think we should,
because everybody ha is havingfestivals for everything.
I think we probably should.
All right.
And not too far from thereis KC Wyoming where they have
Chris Laue days, which right.
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Is awesome.
If you don't know who Chris Laueis, we just can't be friends.
I know.
I know who he is.
Finally a question Johnasks that I can say yes to.
You know, it would've been hard forNaomi, no doubt about it, just trying to
find a job, raise a daughter on her own.
I couldn't, I don't knowanything about the father.
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I couldn't find anything out about that.
So it would've been a struggle financiallyit would've been very difficult.
And that's kind of indicated inthe way that the story plays out.
You know, she went with friends,she didn't have a lot of money.
She had to borrow money.
And then we will find out, sheends up hitchhiking, which we know.
Sadly how that story usually ends out.
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And it's gonna be the same for Naomi.
Seems to be a theme.
But,
you know, she's living in Buffalo.
She's recently graduated from school.
She's doing her bestto raise her daughter.
And I couldn't find a lotabout this trip to Rollins.
I don't know why for surethey were going to Rollins
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tour the prison like you.
But yeah, I don't know.
I have no idea.
Rollins of all places, actually
that one was probablystill running, wasn't it
in the eighties?
Eighties Probably.
Actually, I don't remember when itclosed, but Rollins just doesn't strike
me as like the vacation destination.
I'm sorry.
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But I was pretty clear about howI felt about Rollins earlier.
Yeah.
In our Rollins episode, itis not my favorite place.
I don't know if.
There was something going on inRollins or I just have no idea, but
Well, I would imagine theyhave a fair or something too.
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Yeah.
Everybody has a fair,
well, of course they do because that's,that was where some of the Rollins
murders occurred, was during the, let'ssee, that would be Converse County
fair, but I don't know why in thehell you go from Buffalo Clear across
the state to go to a fair in Rawlins.
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I don't know.
But we do know that they went, herand a group of friends went and
it seems like it, it really seems like,this group was gonna go down there and
she just wanted to go be with friends.
Typical 18-year-old thing to do, andabsolutely nothing at all wrong with it.
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Yeah she was a mom, but.
You know, she didn't likerun out on her daughter.
She arranged for Yeah.
Moms need a minute too.
She arranged for her parentsto watch her daughter while
she went away for the weekend.
So not a big deal.
Something that, gosh, all of us do.
And there was no like, documentedfamily conflicts or any relationship
conflicts that I could reallycome across in her story at all.
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We do know that she borrowed a backpackand money from her friend in Rollins
before she took off hitchhiking, whichreally suggested to me that she didn't
have much as far as money goes at all.
And let's see.
And you know, unfortunately I justcouldn't, I just couldn't figure
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out a reason for this circle.
I mean, it's happening in June, it's notlikely that it's gonna be a fair, because
that's almost always July I into August.
Yeah.
So I don't know if it wasjust like, I don't know.
Do you want me to look up ifanything was happening in June?
You can see if you canfigure anything out.
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But
June 29th, 1982, Rollins, Wyoming,Naomi Kidder steps out into the
wind with nothing but a backpack,a little bit of cash that didn't
belong to her, and a plan that shehadn't exactly shared with anyone.
Her friends had already left headedback to Buffalo, but Naomi had other
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ideas where she was going next.
Nobody knew for sure, but what'sclear is that she was alone on foot
on the edge of a high desert town.
That doesn't take kindly to wanderers.
She walks east, maybe towards theSinclair truck, stop maybe towards
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someone that she thought she could trust.
She's 18.
Determined, smart, but vulnerablein a way that the world too
often prays on out here.
The roads stretch endlessly andthe shoulders narrow to nothing.
A girl with her thumb out on aWyoming highway in the 1980s might
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as well have been invisible exceptto the worst kinds of people.
This is the last time anyonesees Naomi Kidder alive,
so we do know that.
We do know that her and herfriends got to Rollin's.
Okay.
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And.
There really wasn't, I couldn't findanything of note it, it gets really
weird right here because I reallycouldn't figure out like why she
didn't go back with her friends.
We know that she traveled down therewith them and that were their only,
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damn, that was their, her only ride.
So it's just so weird to me thatshe didn't go back with them.
I don't, I can't get my mind around that.
But we do know that she chose not toreturn to Buffalo with her friends and
instead decided to stay in Rollins.
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And so she borrowed a backpack fromher friend and she borrowed a little
bit of money and I couldn't findout how much, but every place that
described it as a little bit of money.
So I'm thinking that maybe.
20 bucks or something like that.
And you know, Rollins, for those ofyou that aren't familiar with it,
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does sit right on I 80 and it may haveoffered a chance to travel elsewhere.
I don't know.
And we know before she took off,like I said, she took her friend's
backpack, borrowed a little bit ofmoney, and then her friends took
off and they headed back to Buffalo.
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And so we don't know exactly, wethink that Naomi left Rollins on July
29th, but we don't know when we'reguessing probably in the day because
it just wouldn't make a lot of sensefor her to take off after dark.
And she began hitchhiking and intendingto travel to some unknown destination.
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There's no records that confirm herexact route or intended end point, but.
You know, just kind of common sense tellsme that the possibilities would include.
She was headed back to Buffalo, shewas headed to another town in Wyoming,
like maybe Casper or Riverton.
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Or maybe she was traveling outof Wyoming, headed to Denver or
Salt Lake or something like that.
We know that she was last seen inRollins at, but we don't know any other
of the specifics about that at all.
Like we've talked about in so many ofthese cases this season in Rocky Mountain
Reckoning, hitchhiking was a very commonpractice in the early eighties, especially
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in places like rural Wyoming, because Imean, there is zero public transportation,
especially in the 1980s, but even now.
There's almost no public transportationin Wyoming and the economic
constraints that would've beenpresent for a young mother and a young
unwed mother in 19, in the 1980s.
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Like we said, she just wouldn'thave had a lot of money.
So women, especially women, butpeople in general often hitchhiked.
It was very frequent for that to betheir main means of transportation.
And, you know, we know now howdangerous it was, but in the
eighties it was just commonplace.
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It's not telling me
what were you looking for,
why they went to Rollins?
Oh.
If there was anything goingon, like a fair or anything.
Doesn't say.
Yeah, I know.
I sure couldn't find it.
The whole thing reallystrikes me as odd, really odd.
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And I would've expected tosee a report that her and her
friends got into some big fight.
Yeah.
I think you don't borrow thingsfrom people you just bought with.
Right.
And so I don't know if she waslike running away or, I don't know.
It just it's strange to me that youtravel halfway across the state with
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a group of friends and then you'relike, I'm out and go hitchhike.
Yeah.
But unfortunately, I guess thereasons are just left to history.
And the sad part of itis her case was handled.
Poorly.
And so there wasn't a lotof investigation done.
I mean, yeah, it would be reallyfreaking nice to have a sheriff's report
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where they interviewed her friends.
Yeah.
And her friends said thisis what was going on.
Because almost certainly her friends knew,I mean, she didn't just like get up and
walk out and not say anything to anybody.
She borrowed a backpack,she borrowed money.
They knew that they were leaving Rollinswithout a person that went with them.
So there had to have been somediscussion of why the hell
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aren't you coming back with us?
Yeah.
And what the hell are you gonnado and where are you gonna go?
And I don't, at least
I would've been that way.
I don't know much.
I don't know anything about thegroup of friends that she was with.
I don't know if it was girls.
I don't know if it was boys.
I think it's shitty that it happened.
I try to put myself in thatposition and I don't think it
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would've ever happened with me.
I gotta be honest with you, evenat 18, I think I'd have been
like, oh no, you're coming back.
There's no way I'm leaving you.
And if they were insistent, I wouldprobably call their parents and be like,
you leave with who you came with.
I gotta tell you, you know,Naomi is like hitchhiking.
She's taking off.
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She won't get in the car.
Yeah.
What do you want me to do?
I just can't see myself leaving this girl.
No.
Or a guy.
I can't see myself leavinga friend in that situation.
Like I said, you leavewith who you came with.
Yeah.
So it, I mean, it strikes me, the wholething just really strikes me as odd and
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we're left guessing where she was heading.
And we don't know.
You know, like I said, Caspermight've been a potential destination.
Cheyenne Riverton.
Yeah, none of it makes sense.
Not at all.
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Because she's got a1-year-old daughter at home.
There's no indication in anything thatI read that she was like a bad mom or
wasn't interested in being a mom orin any way wanted to desert her baby.
So I don't know, but unfortunately,I don't think we'll ever know because
there's just no information about it.
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The one thing that we do know ison June 29th, 82, she chose not to
return to Buffalo with her friends.
She borrowed a backpack, she borrowedquote, a little bit of money, whatever
that means, and she took off hitchhiking.
So we don't know.
We don't know what happened between June29th, 1982 and September of 1982, when.
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Her body was found.
Wow.
And
so
several months.
Yeah.
So we know that the murder likelyoccurred on or around June 29th.
That's the last time that she was seenalive when she took off hitchhiking.
We're guessing that the murder likelyoccurred in or around Natrona County,
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which is quite a ways from Rollins.
I mean, you're depending, there's a coupledifferent ways you can go from Rollins
to Casper, so yeah, it kind of depends,but you're a little over a hundred
miles, I think, from Rollins to Casper.
And so we don't know where shewas murdered, but she, I mean, she
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may have been murdered right away.
After being picked up relativelyclose to Rollins and then transported
to Natrona County, or she could havebeen murdered in Natrona County.
Relatively quickly beforeher body was dumped.
We don't know.
The cause of death wasstrangulation with barbed wire.
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There was a barbed wire ligature thatwas found knotted around her neck and
the autopsy confirmed strangulationis her primary cause of death with
no additional details on injuries.
So I don't know aboutsexual assault or anything.
She had been out there for severalmonths and so decomposition would've
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definitely had a, had an effecton, especially like sexual assault.
Yeah.
A lot of the time indicationsof sexual assault are only
soft tissue injuries, which.
You lose with any kind of decomposition.
So
I would hate to see other injuries apartfrom soft tissue during a sexual assault.
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That would be
right.
Well, I mean, you could have utterlyviolent, you could have other
injuries, but they wouldn't necessarilybe indicative of sexual assault.
You know what I'm saying?
That's
what I'm saying, a sexual assaultincident that causes bone damage.
Utterly, yeah, utterly tragic.
Yeah.
But you know, the wire knotted,wire ligature around her
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neck that was already tragic.
Definitely indicates adeliberate violent act.
And it's consistent with the controldriven homicides that we've seen
across the Great Basin, althoughthis one is absolutely unique.
Nowhere else have youhave we found or will.
In this series, a victim withbarbed wire used as a ligature.
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I gotta be honest, I don't thinkI've ever heard of that before.
In any case.
Stolen.
Stolen
from a fence.
We don't know
who the hell knows.
We have no idea.
So I don't even know the exactdate that her body was found.
Just early to mid-September is all I know.
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And it was found in countyWyoming, near Casper.
I thought I read that.
Which is northeast of Rollins.
What's that?
I thought I read thatthe day it was found.
Oh, did you?
So it was found in a remote dumpsite and like we said it was
severely decomposed and partiallymummified, which is indicative of
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exposure for two to three months.
So we're pretty positive thatshe was dumped relatively
soon after she was last seen,
discovered September 10th, 1982.
Okay.
Thank you for that.
So really no other forensic detailsthat I found listed as far as like
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clothing, personal items, and, you know,a lot of that is probably due to the
length of time that she was out there.
And then, like so many of thesevictims, the vast majority of
them, they're dumped with nothing.
A lot
of them are, don't even havetheir clothes when they're dumped.
They're literally dumped with nothing.
So Naomi was initially unidentifiedand labeled as a Jane Doe and.
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We know that a missing person'sreport was filed July 1st with
the Buffalo Police Department.
And then, and that was just two daysafter her last sighting in Rollins.
And I'm sure that, you know, whenshe didn't come home, her parents
were probably freaking frantic andfiled a missing person's report.
It's odd as shit to me that, I mean, we'retalking 1982, we're not talking 1922.
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Yeah.
Or 1902.
And even in 1902 in Wyoming I thinkthat somebody missing from Buffalo.
Yeah.
You have a body found in Casper.
Yeah.
It seems absurd to me that she wouldgo unidentified until freaking 1994.
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12 years.
Yeah.
And they couldn't puttwo and two together.
Yeah.
Who's missing?
That's insane to me.
Even like I say, even in1982, that is insane to me.
You know, we have, we've talked aboutthe, or several unidentified victims
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and we still have more to discuss, butspeaking specifically about like our Elco
County chain does that, we've coveredthis season like Star Valley and Devil's
Gate in Thousand Springs, and that'sa lot different because first of all,
we don't know where they came from.
But
I'm assuming maybe they camefrom out of Nevada, so Yeah.
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Okay.
I can get it.
19 72, 19 74, maybe a missing person'sreport from Nevada doesn't make
it to, I don't know, Connecticutor Florida or wherever the hell.
But a missing person's reportdoesn't make it from freaking
Buffalo, Wyoming to Casper, Wyoming.
Yeah.
That's insane to me.
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And it's insane to me thata body would be found.
It would take me, it wouldn'teven take me an afternoon.
It would take me a couple hoursmaybe to call every law enforcement
agency in the state of Wyoming.
And say, Hey, I've gota body I just picked up.
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It appears to be a young female,I don't know, maybe they said
her ages were between 16 and 25.
I've got a young victim, ages 16 to 25.
Female.
Are you missing anybody?
Yeah, I could do that.
And I'm not even exaggerating.
Probably a couple hours.
You're not talking about thatmany phone calls and the calls
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don't have to be that long.
No.
It's a yes or no.
Yeah.
Or you know, a yes.
And then you get specifics.
That call might end up being a long one.
Yeah.
But when they're like, no,I don't have any missings.
Following that, youknow, with that, I mean,
yeah,
you're not even askingsomebody to take a day.
You're asking somebody totake a few freaking hours and
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make a couple phone calls.
I don't know.
I think it's absurd.
I think it's absolutely inexcusable.
Yeah.
That she was left unidentifiedfor this long 'cause you're
talking shit it, it ain't veryfar from Buffalo to Casper at all.
No, a hundred miles maybe.
Yeah, something like that.
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It's not very far.
And then on top.
And then on top of that, then herdental records weren't entered
into NCIC until March of 1994.
Yeah.
Again, absolutely inexcusable.
And once they were entered,they came back with a match.
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So we know that Buffalo didwhat they should have done.
Buffalo.
Yeah.
Did the missing portions report.
They obviously uploaded her known dentalrecords to NCIC, but it took Natron County
12 freaking years to do it unexcusable.
And you know, I get itthat this was the 1980s.
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There was limited forensic databasesand Wyoming is a rural place.
But I also know that Casper PoliceDepartment, and this was I'm pretty
sure Naron County Sheriff's Office isnow and was then one of the largest
law enforcement agencies in the state.
Casper is our second largest city.
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So of all of the d differentsheriff's offices and police
departments in the state.
Casper would've beenmost well equipped, yeah.
To make sure that this shit gottaken care of and it didn't.
So unfortunately, Naron County Sheriff'sOffice and any larger Wyoming authorities
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investigated the body as a Jane Doeand chalked it up to hitchhiking.
And I think, I don't think theydid much of anything, to be
perfectly freaking honest with you.
So no suspects were identified, obviously.
And
it definitely fits in withour whole Great Basin series.
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I mean, as sad as it freaking is, Icould have written one script and just
changed the name and I could have talkedabout almost all of these victims.
They're almost all the same.
Yeah.
You know,
and it's so damn sad.
But it's a fact.
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So we know what the little teeny,tiny infinitesimal bit that we know
is Naomi Kidder was likely murderedon or very near June 29th, 1982.
My guess is that she was probablypicked up in Rollins and was given
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a ride to Natrona County and that ismost likely where she was probably
murdered relatively shortly beforeher body was dumped would be my guess.
The whole barbed wire thing.
I don't know how that factors in unlessshe was drug out of the vehicle and
raped and murdered, like out thereon the plains and that was, there was
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just a piece of barbed wire handy.
Which in Wyoming is justdamn near everywhere.
Unless you're on like a city street.
Yeah.
Pretty much everywhere else you go.
Barbed wire's not too far away,so it doesn't surprise me it
would fit with something likethat, but we really don't know.
We do know that barbed wire is a veryunique signature to her case that, like
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I said, being a true crime junkie thathas researched hundreds of cases, at
least I've never heard of that before.
I'm sure that it's been done.
I'm sure that wire has been used.
Barbed wire has been used as a ligature,but I've never heard of it before.
Yeah,
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it is kind of sounding familiar to me,but I don't know if it's just 'cause I've
been trying to think aboutit since you first said it.
Right.
Yep.
Naron County, 1982, the kind ofplace where the silence has teeth.
Naomi's body was found in September,decomposed, partially mummified, left
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like garbage off a remote stretch ofdirt road, a barbed wire, ligature
still knotted around her neck.
Whoever killed her didn'tjust want her gone.
They wanted her silenced,discarded, erased.
But people like Naomi don'tvanish without someone seeing
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something and killers like this.
They don't strike just once Over theyears, names have floated to the surface.
Some lived nearby, some passed through.
Some were monsters we didn't knowabout yet, and others we just
refuse to see for what they were.
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The next segment, we're gonna walkthrough each of those names one by
one because somebody out there knowswhich of these men turned Naomi's
final walk into a death sentence.
Alright, so let's talk about our suspects.
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And again, just like I got donesaying I could just change the name
and use the same list of shit brainworthless pieces of freaking garbage.
'cause it's gonna be the same.
Not gonna spend a lot of time on eachone of these for just because it's
gonna get boring talking about this,telling the same story every episode.
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Yeah.
So we got Royal Russell along.
Piece of shit was a Carney trucker.
He's a high suspect forthe Rollins Rodeo murders.
He's up there for Belinda May Grantham.
We know that he, we know that hekidnapped Sharon Bald Eagle, where
at least in my opinion, I'm certainhe murdered Sharon Bald Eagle.
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Right?
We know that he most likelykilled multiple girls across
Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma.
He's a piece of shit.
We know that.
I don't think he's a very goodfit for Naomi Kidder at all.
Maybe 10% likelihood it just doesn'tmatch his mo we've talked about it before.
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He typically, he's focusing on for themost part, he's focusing on like carnivals
and rodeos and shit like that, and itjust, it really doesn't match him and.
My favorite suspect on this one,
Del Wayne Eaton,
surprisingly no, but I knewyou were gonna say that.
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Robert Ben Rhodes.
Nope.
Really?
Nope.
Larry Dwayne Hall.
So first of all, this piece of shitis one of the ugliest bastards.
I, Robert Ben Rhodes has him beatfor ugly, but this guy, he is got the
dumbass facial hair thing that I don'teven know what the hell you call that.
Is that like a FU Man chew?
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Isn't that what that is?
Oh, I think
so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's a FU man chew.
Wow.
He's a freaking loser.
He was convicted of Jessica LynnRoach's, 1993 kidnapping, but he
suspected in up to 50 murders.
We, you know, we've talked about him andwe'll continue to talk about him because
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he is a piece of shit that was activein the area during this period of time.
We know that he was active in 1982and he suspected in killings in
Wyoming, including Buffalo, the Buffaloarea, where Naomi was a native to.
But
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the biggest reason that he is likenumber one on my suspect list, and
honestly everybody's suspect listis because a document with Naomi
Kidder's name on it was found in hispossession in 1994 when he was arrested.
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Oh, nice.
So how did he get that?
Yeah.
We also know that.
His MO is strangulation sexual assault.
He targeted young female hitchhikers,which aligns perfectly in Naomi's case.
The barbed wire is unique,but like I said, the barbed
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wire is unique to everybody.
I think that it was justa weapon of opportunity.
I think that it likely was layingnear wherever he murdered her.
Yeah.
And he
reached over and grabbed it.
No different than, you know,somebody's killing somebody in a
kitchen and they grab a freakingcast iron skillet to kill him with.
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You know, it's just, itwas there and he used it.
I couldn't figure out exactlywhat the document was that he had
in his possession, but it is thestrongest circumstantial evidence.
And along with, we know that the sonof a bitch was in Wyoming during this
period of time, and his mo matches.
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But then we off, we have to includeDale Wayne Eaton as a possibility.
That piece of shit continues topop up in all of these cases.
We also know that his MO was to rapeand strangle victims, stab victims.
Who the hell knows what all he did?
He's a sick, disgusting sadist, butI just don't think that I, I mean,
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for me, the document with her nameon it, yeah, that's huge for me.
The same
year she was identified.
Yeah, I think that wasjust coincidental but
still.
But yeah, I mean, that's huge.
And I couldn't figure out like whatthe document was, but from all the
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reports surrounding it, it makes methink that it's not like a newspaper
report, that it's more like a checkor something that was personally hers.
Yeah, a trophy.
Yeah.
Not something that justhappened to have her name on it.
But something that had belonged toher and you know, Dale Wayne Eaton's
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gonna always come up, so is RobertBen Rhodes, but Robert, Ben Rhodes.
Again, I just don't thinkhe's a very good fit for her.
His MO doesn't really match.
Wow.
His MO doesn't really match.
I mean, he definitely kidnapped women.
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He raped them and he murdered them.
But the son of a bitch was knownfor having a torture chamber
in the sleeper of his truck.
So he's not the kind of killer that'sgoing to be out murdering somebody
out in the prairie and pick up.
A piece of barbed wireto strangle him with.
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Yeah.
And maybe that's not what happened, butif it's something he had in his truck,
then we would've seen it in other victims.
Yeah.
If that was like his signature.
He liked to use barbed wire,but we don't see it anywhere
else unless he decided to change it up.
But doubtful,
not likely.
Yeah
I don't think he's a good fit at all.
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Plus the fact his known trucking routeswere not up in that area of Wyoming.
He potentially went across I 80, but hisbig area was like Texas up into Utah.
So he's just not a good fit for me.
I think that it really comes downto two, and that is Hall and Eaton.
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And I say Eaton because we knowthat he was active in this area.
During that period of time.
And we also know that a lot ofher murder details do fit his mo.
But for me, having a documentwith the victim's name on it found
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in a known killer's possession.
That's huge evidence.
But, and he confessed, then took it back.
Answered.
Yeah.
So I think that the pieceof shit is the killer.
I wish that, I dunno, I wish thatthey would at least try him for it.
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Honestly, I think that there's enoughcircumstantial evidence, and again,
I don't know what that document is.
If it really truly is somethingthat was personal to her, then
you think that he should be tried.
And if he's found not guilty, fine.
Screw it.
His son of a bitch is in jail.
Anyway,
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I was about to say maybe they'reconsidering it since they're not
telling us what the document was.
Maybe, or maybe I didn't find it.
I do find it extraordinarily sadthat I read an article written
not written by, but about herdaughter who is like our age.
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She's a little younger than me.
Yeah.
Younger than me too.
She's never, she ne shehas no memory of her mom.
She was one,
yeah.
When this happened, and shewould've been 13 when her mom was
identified, finally
identified.
I mean, what this poor girlhas gone through in her life.
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Luckily, it sounds like, you know, shehad really great grandparents who just
took her and raised her like their own.
And you know, it didn't sound like she'dhad a bad life as far as that goes.
But as a child, I cannot imaginegoing through something like that.
And then you go through thetrauma of losing your mom
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growing up without your mom.
I mean, luckily she was one, and solosing her mom, she wouldn't have really
experienced, she wasn't old enough to
Yeah.
But as she grew up, growing upwithout her mom would've been
extraordinarily difficult.
But then that wound is rippedopen all over again 12 years
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later when her mom is identified.
And then she would've had to have gonethrough the, that whole trauma and
then getting the body back up, finallyhaving a funeral and everything.
And you know, the samefor Naomi's parents.
For a child, God, thathad to have been hard.
Yeah.
It had to have been so hard.
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Did you have somethingyou were looking up?
Yeah, if I could find what
the paper was, what the document was.
Oh.
So you know, unfortunatelywith Naomi's case,
there's really not muchmore for me to say there.
There just isn't much more that we know.
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There's very few detailsavailable in this case.
So we spent this e episode tracingthe quiet tragedy of Naomi Kidder,
an 18-year-old girl with a daughterat home, a restless spirit in
her bones, and a future thatended somewhere between Rollins.
A dirt road outside of Casper.
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She wasn't some anonymous runaway.
She was a mother, a sister, a daughter,and someone out there decided that
she didn't deserve to come home.
Theories have swirled for decades.
Some names continued tocome up again and again.
Others are whispered in forums andcase files, but never confirmed.
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And while no one has ever beenarrested for Naomi's murder,
the list of possibilities growsclearer the deeper that you dig.
So walking through the most likelysuspects because someone out there
still holding the missing piece.
We've got Larry Dwayne Hall, who topsthe list at a solid 40% or better.
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His documented activity in Wyoming,his obsession with young women, his mo.
The document that was in hisposition in his possession
reportedly listing Naomi's name.
That's not coincidence.
That's a huge red flag soaked in blood.
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Number two, we've got Dale Wayne, Eaton.
This piece of shit comes up all thetime and I figure him at about a 25%.
In Naomi's case, he was living justmiles from where Naomi's body was dumped.
His known behaviors and geographyfit his Manita residence, his violent
tendencies, all of it lines up withthe brutality that Naomi endured.
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We also can't rule out anunknown local offender.
Also, about a 25% chance NatronaCounty is remote, rugged, and
filled with places where a bodycould stay hidden for decades.
Someone who knew those backroads and oil filled halls might
have had the perfect cover.
There's also the unknown one-offoffender, which I put it maybe 20%
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a traveler, a trucker hitchhikera hitchhiking nightmare come true.
Rollins sits on I 80, whichis a pipeline for predators
as we know after this season.
We also have to admit that there couldbe another unknown serial killer since
every other son of a bitch in the countrywas running around there, running around
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Wyoming during this period of time.
There's probably somethat we don't know about.
No doubt there's probably about a 15%chance that it's an unknown serial
killer, which could definitely betied to other great basin murders.
Royal Russell Long.
I put it 10% for the reasonsI already talked about.
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Robert Ben Rhodes and Clark PerryBaldwin, 5% at best, I would say on them.
And Naomi Kidder's case sits in limbo.
Not for lack of evidence, but becausethe system failed her over and over,
her dental records weren't evenentered into NCIC until freaking 1994.
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She sat in a cold case file for12 years, unknown unnamed while
her killer breathes free air.
And when officials went looking for DNAevidence decades later, nothing that kind
of negligence isn't just frustrating.
It's devastating.
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It turns maybe somedayinto probably never.
But that's the thing about the truth.
It doesn't rot, it waits.
And if someone's still out therestill holding onto guilt, still
holding back the full story, thisis your wake up call because no,
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Naomi deserves better than silence.
Bobby, her daughterdeserves some damn answers.
This isn't just a case, it's a wound.
And until someone facesjustice, it stays open.
Naomi Lee Kidder wasn't just a name anda file or a photograph frozen in time.
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She was a daughter, a friend,a young woman still carving
her place in the world.
But above all, she was a mother.
At just 18 years old, Naomi carried theweight of a child in a thousand dreams.
Her baby girl, Bobby, was her light.
The one person, Naomi wouldnever have willingly left behind.
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She wasn't running awayfrom responsibility.
She was walking toward possibility,looking for work, looking for a change.
Looking maybe for a life that she hadn'tyet be been given the chance to build.
And for Bobby, that loss wasn'tjust tragic, it was life defining.
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Because when someone kills amother, they don't just take one
life, they fracture a family.
They leave behind birthdays, missedlullabies, unsung, and decades of
questions that never get answers.
Bobby grew up with a hole where hermother's voice should have been a
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whole childhood marked by absence,no warm and brace before school,
no hand to hold during heartbreak.
No one to whisper back.
I love you too.
Just silence and the haunting knowledgethat her mother's final moments
were stolen, violent, and unjust.
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Naomi never got to watch her daughtertake her first steps into adulthood.
She never gotta see Bobby laughat her own child's jokes or cry
over life's little heartbreaks.
She was robbed of every milestone,every ordinary miracle that
mothers are meant to witness.
But even in death, Naomimattered and her life mattered.
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And the fact that she was forgotten,unidentified for 12 years abandoned
by the very systems that weresupposed to protect her is an insult
that cannot be forgiven today.
We remember Naomi, not as astatistic or a cautionary tale,
but as a whole human being.
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A mother, a woman would strengthenher bones, courage in her heart, and
love in her hands, even if the worlddidn't give her the time to show.
To Bobby, whose strength inthe face of unimaginable loss
is its own kind of legacy.
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We see you too.
We honor you and we stand with you indemanding answers, accountability, and
the dignity that your mother deserved.
Because Naomi Kidder shouldnever have been a mystery.
She should have been a mother growing old,and we will never forget her name again.
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Naomi Kidder deserved somuch more than what she got.
She deserved a life, a future, achance to raise her daughter and
find her own place in the world.
Instead, she got a barbed wire noose anda shallow grave off some godforsaken,
Wyoming back road, and then thesystem failed her all over again.
(01:05:30):
Her family filed a missing person reportin 1982, and yet her dental records
weren't even uploaded until 19 94,12 years of silence, 12 years where
she remained just another Jane Doe.
While the people who loved herwaited and wondered and broke,
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she was 18, just a kid herself, andshe had a baby, Bobby, a little girl,
who had to grow up without answers,without memories, and without the
kind of justice that any of us woulddemand if it was our own family.
This wasn't just a crime, it was atheft, a disappearance, a brutal act
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followed by institutional apathy.
You want me to read that again?
Maybe just the last sentence.
A brutal act followedby institutional apathy,
and make no mistake.
Somebody out there knows who did this.
Maybe they were in Rollins that summer.
Maybe they knew Naomi.
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Maybe they've stayed silent.
Because silence is easy when you're,when it's not your daughter who's gone.
Well, it's not easy forus and it never will be.
If you know what happened to NaomiKidder, anything at all, reach out.
You can contact the Wyoming DCIcontact Nitro County Sheriff.
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Reach out to us at info@darkdialogue.com.
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