Exercise is often framed as self-care, discipline, or proof that someone is “doing the right thing.” But for many people, exercise becomes tangled with shame, control, and self-worth. In this interview, Dr. Marianne Miller sits down with Dr. Lisa Folden, a weight-inclusive physical therapist and Health at Every Size ambassador, to explore how exercise shamefuels body image distress and disordered eating, even when it is disguised as wellness or health.
Dr. Lisa shares her personal journey from overexercising, restriction, and rigid fitness rules to intuitive movement rooted in care rather than punishment. Together, they unpack how fitness culture, purity culture, and appearance-based health messaging teach people to judge their bodies and measure their worth through movement, weight, and discipline. This conversation reframes eating disorder recovery through a compassionate, weight-inclusive lens that separates exercise from morality and control.
This episode is especially relevant for anyone struggling with eating disorders, chronic disordered eating, exercise guilt, or a painful relationship with movement.
Content CautionThis episode includes discussion of eating disorders, disordered eating behaviors, food restriction, binge eating patterns, overexercising, body image distress, weight stigma, and shame-based health messaging. Please listen in a way that feels supportive to you.
Episode OverviewIn this conversation, Dr. Marianne and Dr. Lisa explore how exercise shame develops and why it is so deeply connected to body image and eating disorder recovery. Dr. Lisa explains how early experiences with discipline, structure, and purity culture shaped her relationship with food and exercise, reinforcing the belief that bodies must be controlled to be worthy. They discuss how fitness spaces often reward pain, consistency, and weight loss while ignoring mental health, accessibility, and individual needs.
The episode also examines how intuitive movement becomes possible when exercise is no longer used to fix or punish the body. Dr. Lisa describes what shifted when she stopped exercising to change her body and began moving in ways that supported her nervous system, energy, and overall well-being. The conversation highlights how ableism and body size bias show up in gyms and wellness spaces, often through subtle judgments about who “belongs” and how bodies should move.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Lisa emphasizes that exercise does not determine character and that body image healing requires separating movement from shame, worth, and identity. This reframing is central to sustainable eating disorder recovery and long-term healing.
Why This Episode MattersMany people in eating disorder recovery were taught that exercising consistently meant they were good, disciplined, or successful, while rest or inconsistency meant failure. This episode challenges those beliefs and offers a more humane, evidence-informed approach to movement and self-care. It speaks directly to listeners who feel stuck in cycles of overexercising, restriction, binge eating, or chronic guilt around movement, and offers permission to relate to exercise in a way that supports healing rather than harm.
About Dr. Lisa FoldenDr. Lisa Folden is a North Carolina–licensed physical therapist, NASM-certified behavior change specialist, and anti-diet, weight-inclusive coach. She is the owner of Healthy Phit Physical Therapy and Wellness Consultants and a Health at Every Size ambassador. Her work focuses on helping people heal their relationship with movement, body image, and food, particularly in the context of eating disorder recovery. She is also a writer, speaker, and mother of three.
You can follow Dr. Lisa on Instagram at @healthyphit and read her writing on Substack at DrLisaFolden.
Related Episodes--Breaking Up With Diet Culture with Dr. Lisa via Apple or Spotify.
--Moralization of Exercise, Eating, & Body Size With Dr. Lisa via Apple or Spotify.
About the HostDr. Marianne Miller is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and eating disorder specialist offering neurodivergent-affirming, trauma-informed support for binge eating disorder, ARFID, anorexia, bulimia, and long-term eating disorders. She hosts Dr. Marianne-Land: An Eating Disorder Recovery Podcast and provides therapy,
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