Host Michele Kawamoto Perry sits down with canine behavior specialists and Wunderdogs co-founders Shakina Brzezinski and Molly Leevan. From their early days training horses to leading groundbreaking dog behavior programs, Shakina and Molly share how they’re challenging outdated dominance models with science, compassion, and connection.
Together, they explore what leadership looks like when it’s rooted in guidance rather than control—whether in the training ring, the workplace, or our communities. They discuss emotional mirroring between humans and dogs, the role of trust in transforming relationships, and how community leadership empowers both “spicy dogs” and their people.
Learn more about Wunderdogs at https://www.wunderdogtrainers.com/. Find them on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/wunderdogtraining/.
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