March 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Michelle talks about being an astrologer, what it takes, what it means and how to do it.
My favourite quote of the episode is "And the thing is that people think that's luck. I don't believe in luck. Luck, it means that you're not connected, that it's random and arbitrary and you didn't deserve it, or you haven't worked towards it, or you haven't made changes in your life to set up. Um, I don't believe in that. I believe that we do or we don't do, but there are consequences in both directions. And so this is, like I said, optimizing what you have. It's kind of cashing in on your experience and on yourself and who you are and what you bring to the table. And also giving yourself an opportunity to heal roadblocks, to recognise what they are, to see where they came from, how did you learn that, and um, get out of your own way."
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Welcome To Forrest.Chat,where we talk about individual
endeavour in Western Australia.
What it takes, what itmeans, And how you do it.
I'm your host, Paul van der Mey,and in today's episode we're
talking with Michelle Scarrottabout being an astrologer.
Michelle started herjourney as an astrologer.
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back in her early teenage years,and she's expanded and developed
on her capabilities until today.
Welcome to Forrest.Chat, Michelle.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
We've been having discussions in thebackground about, being an astrologer
and it's, it's been very interesting.
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You've been talked at a lot.
it has been very much enlightening.
Certainly not what I expected it to be.
So that begs the question,what is being an astrologer?
Astrology is the, relationship between theconstellations and the earth, the planet,
the people, everything that's going on.
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And it's connecting dots because we areso impacted energetically by everything
that is out there in the celestial.
as we know the moon moves the tidesand we are 70 percent water, so we are
very impacted by the energy exchangesbetween the luminaries and the planets.
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And so basically it's alanguage of explanation.
Astrology that I look intois the personality profiles.
what makes you do whatyou do, how you do it.
It's your personal blueprint.
But it's also can be usedin a really big picture way.
So you can see how itworks in geopolitical.
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You can see how it works in animals.
I have got a client thatdoes animal astrology.
And so they work out there.
personality of their animals.
And so it can be done in so many ways inworkplaces and different, environments.
So it has a, a very powerful,different take on psychology,
when you talk about a differenttake, it's really predecessor
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absolutely.
For psychology and of course,psychology being, evidence based.
I've only ever found, small elementsof what that's really about.
Yes.
So it is, it's being insync with an environment.
And one of the thingsthat, we've arrived at.
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But the, in our society at themoment is that we're not in sync.
We're not in sync with any of therhythms and astrology is one of
those very powerful moving andshaking rhythms that we need to align
ourselves with and work in with.
And so learning about astrology, andlearning about yourself and how you move
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in the world is a very powerful tool.
Very powerful tool.
It's like the keys to yourpersonality and to your life.
It's the blueprint.
And everything has a blueprintbecause everything is of nature.
So when you use astrology as a vehiclefor explanation or language or communing
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or trying to realign back into.
rhythm.
you're connecting back to your power.
Yeah.
That's really powerful.
You talked about energy andenergy is power and it enables
your personal power as well.
Yes.
Very much
Very much for generations, whenwe talked about this earlier,
we use astrology for gardening.
We plant by the moon, it's not random.
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We're of the earth.
We're of all of it.
So we have to connect back to it.
And this is one of the beautifulsources that's totally available
at all times to connect to.
And yes, and so you optimize.
as we've spoken about before, it's,the prediction side of it has been run
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with and it's created a misalignmentabout what astrology is about, but
it's actually about optimizing yourpotential, whether that's gardening
as an individual in the workplace.
Yeah, it's harnessing.
Yeah, the prediction sideis almost the, fad side.
It is very fad.
And it has nothing to do withwhat its original uses are.
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It's been taken over andused to manipulate really.
But, yeah, it's amazing when youactually are harnessing and living in
your potential or recognizing where yourstrengths are and weaknesses so that
you can actually overcome them because,it's a completely self contained unit.
And then what tools do you getto work with as an astrologer?
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Initially when I first learned it, we hadto create our own charts from scratch.
And so that involved an ephemerisand a table of houses because you're
using latitude and longitude, exacttime of birth, the distance from
Greenwich Meantime, time wise,it's a lot of calculations and
a maths equation like no other.
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Because you're doingtime, distance, latitude.
and then we draw upthe chart from scratch.
So it was, easily a couple of hoursbefore you even got to the interpretation,
just in setting up the chart.
one thing I love about modern technologyis now we can just pop it into a
program, pop all the informationin, and it spits out the chart.
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You've still got to do allthe interpretations yourself.
But, Computers are great at that.
you've just
shortcut all that hard work and allthat labour, around getting it ready.
Yeah.
And what does a chart look
like?
it looks like a map, really.
It's a circular mapwith planets around it.
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you've got the center and then allyour planets are situated around it.
And what it does is it shows youwhere your strengths are, where your
weaknesses are, how you operate,how you present, what you look like.
It gives you that map if you can read it.
Otherwise it looks like crazy.
Most people look at that and go,oh my gosh, that's just, madness.
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So we had a look at a celebrity's,map last night and literally
if you think of a clock face.
Then, where the numbers arearound the clock, there's a
whole series of like angles.
Yeah.
so that's like a, the rim of a wheel.
Yep.
Around it.
Yep.
You've got the houses.
So you've got the spokes on thewheel, which describe different
departments of your life.
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And then you've got yourplanet situated within that.
And then they describe personality traits.
And then the lines that, go betweenplanets, describe what comes easy
to you and what you struggle with,depending on the nature of the lines.
Yep.
So it's a mixture ofcircles, dots and lines.
Yeah.
and little glyphs or little symbols.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
And so what you're looking at isthe relationship, for each of them,
who, how they relate to each other.
just as one person might say one thing anddo the opposite, that shows in a chart.
You can see that their wordssay this, their actions do that.
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And it shows, you can see it.
You can go, this, you'renot walking your talk.
Literal.
It's literal.
It's like right in frontof you as a drawing.
Provided you know how to interpret it.
If you can read it.
We'll talk about how you can read it atthe end of the, at the end of the episode.
Yeah.
Not how to read it, but how to learn.
How to learn.
How to get to the pointwhere you can read it.
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And, you talked about, place andtime so do people share charts?
Yes.
But not, they are never the same.
You do not have, there willbe no one else like you.
Your chart is unique to you.
It's so specific.
Even twins, they will usually, whenI have, when I see twins, they will
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have, One side of the personality, oneof the children will be the creative,
the the internalised, and then theother will be, and the same planets,
but the other one will experienceit, they will be more external, more
academic, and so what you're gettingis you're getting the opposites,
because every sign has an opposite.
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Every planet has an opposite.
They have good and bad.
They have weaknesses and strengths.
So it's so nuanced in that way.
When you talk about twins, because I dolots of twins, I see lots of twins in
particular, because that's a good example.
When I talk about an energy, theygo, Oh yeah, this one does that.
Oh yeah, no, that one does that.
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And there is duality.
All the way through astrology.
Even though it is only, minutes to
Yep.
Yep.
Just a handful more minutes.
Yeah, it can
be, if there's a c section,it can be five minutes.
Yeah.
But it's enough to But it's enough
to But they, it's almost, for me,when I look at it, it's almost as
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though they are a whole, together.
Which makes sense for twins.
especially if they're, identical.
Yeah.
Fraternal twins clearlydon't even look alike.
And so you can see there'sa huge difference there.
And you can,
yeah.
It's easier to resolve in your mindthat they would be so different.
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Yeah.
very interesting.
It is.
And I do lots of babies because ofcourse people want to know how to
parent they're children and it givesthem the heads up, what to look for,
what, where to push, where to pull.
if you're a parent and we go in with allour own stuff, fears and, and what we
didn't get as a child and, all our stuff.
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And then of course, astrologytakes you right the way back out
of that and just goes, this is whatyou need to be concerned about.
These are the things youdon't need to worry about.
yeah, children, babies, twins.
But yeah, there is no one else like you.
You are unique and individual andastrology sees you as a whole.
it sees and also for every, withinthat, for every, problem that
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you might perceive in your chart,you have the solution inbuilt.
So there's no external looking needed.
It's an inward journey.
Very much an inward journey.
Yeah.
. Taking time to get to know yourself.
So you've raised a fewdifferent elements there.
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It's really good to hear about.
We'll talk now about what ittakes you to be an astrologer.
So like I said, initially I had to,when I first learned astrology back
in the 80s, there was no computers.
So I had to learn how to do allthose calculations and understand
all of the maps and bits and pieces.
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Nowadays I don't do that by hand.
I have a software program thatI particularly like and use.
It's the interpretation thatis the most amount of work.
And You have to have akeen interest in people.
You have to be interested intheir psychology or psyche
or why they do what they do.
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And that was already in me in spades.
By my nature.
I also am interested in historyand mythologies and other learning.
So I read a lot.
I research.
And so it's piecing things together.
It's looking at things froma different point of view.
And it's also coming away fromsometimes the emotion of something and
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seeing what it actually is as it is.
So it's a type of thinking, Ithink, to think a certain way.
You have to be open.
Being open, that's a pretty, amazingthing to be able to do, because when
you are open, then you seem to seeso many more different connections.
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And question.
I could open a one, onesection of astrology.
You could read one thing.
in one book, and 30 other booksare going to have a different
variation on that thing.
So you have to be able to lookat all of that and find how does
it actually apply to that person.
So everything joins up, notone part of your chart is a
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monolith to any of the other.
There absolutely has to be connectionsmade and so sitting in the energy of
someone else helps, and we talked aboutthat earlier, but I feel into that
person and I see the interconnectednesswhen I'm looking at a chart.
I ask questions, I don't justcharge in and go this and this,
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because it's a conversation.
I'm not predicting, what I'm tryingto do is help iron out, how you got
where you got, and how we're goingto get you where you need to be.
And so Yeah, but having an interestin learning about people and society,
geopolitical astrology is fascinating.
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You'd have plenty to work on now.
I actually went and did a yearstudy in prep for this in 2019.
I actually, yeah, causeI, it's never been my bag.
I've always been into theinterpersonal astrology.
But I knew what was coming, and I knewthat it was going to be big, and I knew
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that I wasn't, I didn't have enoughpolitical knowledge, so I just did a
year's study with a mentor in Costa Rica.
online.
So I never stop learning and I neverthink I know everything because I know
nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That's the other thing.
I think in order to be inastrology you have to admit that.
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No matter how much you think youknow, you don't know anything.
So stay with that and you'll do fine.
Yeah.
Always be willing to learn because likeI said, each person is a unique universe.
So each person has anopportunity to learn and grow.
And we're stronger when we do that.
It's just, it's that fascination.
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So what you've talked about, youmentioned about doing a year's
worth of study back in 2019.
Mm. what skills did you use to identifythat you needed to do something like that?
So when you're looking at people'schart, so one of the things that I do
is not just the astrology of a person.
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I look at what they are transitingthrough, who they are becoming as
people, because we're not stagnant.
We keep moving and growing.
So people were checking in, and, I waslooking at the astrology anyway of,
cause you do, we're looking constantlyto see what energies we're working with
and you're relaying that back to peopleand say, actually, this isn't personal.
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How you're feeling is, a seriesof things that are going on.
They are particularlyoppressive at the moment.
We'll be out of it by this date.
And this is the only type of predictionI like to do is go, look, on this day,
we're going to change science and you'regoing to feel a whole lot better, but
it's not sweeping kind of prediction.
It's more, understandthere, you're in a flow.
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There is movement that isextraneous that we can't control.
This is how it works and this is theimpact that it has on you personally.
So I could see trends.
that we were leading intosome really big global things.
But it had nothing to do with what itwas purported to be about, because it was
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a financial takedown in the astrology.
And so I kept saying that andthinking, what am I missing?
What is it that I'm not seeing?
Because I keep saying a money thing,which it was, and has been, and still is.
Definitely.
The last few years have been quitethe rollercoaster ride, financially.
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So really it was a case of you.
So I realized that I did not haveenough knowledge politically as well.
and also that political astrologyhas not interested me enough.
I didn't know enough.
Every country has an astrology.
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They, and big cities have astrologies.
We do, we actually have a type ofastrology called astrocartography,
which is the astrology of place.
And I could put your chart overthe top of the world map and
tell you where the countries arethat you're going to do well in.
and where you're also going tosuffer and struggle with and
it's not going to be fantastic.
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So it goes right out into all areas andso I had to get way in there to understand
what was happening in the world.
And yeah, it was,intense to say the least.
I'm sure the process was.
But
it was confirming.
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It was confirming and it was nice toalso for me to be having conversations
with people that knew what I was talkingabout, that we could relate in jargon,
which I can't do with my clients unlessthey are, adept in astrology to a point.
So I'm able to have thoseconversations and feel like I'm
not the only one seeing this.
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I'm not the only one that'switnessing what I'm seeing.
Yeah.
So literally it was a case ofyou exercising your skills of
observation that allowed you tosee something that was going on.
And flesh it out.
And then fleshing it out.
Flesh it out and get right underneath it.
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We've had a look at what it takes.
We'll have a break now and after thebreak we'll have a look at what it means.
We've had a look at what it takesnow, we'll look at what it means.
Michelle, what does it mean toyou, your family, or the community,
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that you can be an astrologer?
okay, so for me personally, I've beendoing it for so long that I don't know
any other way to see the world, so for meit's deeply entwined in my personality.
I look at symbols, in lifeacross the board, not just
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astrologically, but in other ways.
I see life in a series of,it's information constantly.
I am being given information, howI filter that, how I process it.
So for me, it's very important.
I've done it since I was 15.
I've been interested in workingwith people since I was 11
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in different capacities.
And so it's, yeah, it's tied upwith my, personality, I think.
It's intrinsically linked.
It's your natural way of living.
It is my way of looking at life, totally.
And I did it as a child and didn'tknow that all astrology provided
was the language and the vehicleto express how I saw the world.
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It's like being a dancer.
Dance brings a language.
Painting brings a language.
Astrology is my language, and Ithink in it, I speak in it, I relate
to the world through that and it,and it's mythological and esoteric
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and it's got all of that going on,and I just, I'm observant, so yeah.
I notice what others don't.
And how is it that younotice that others don't?
I think that's to do with my childhood.
I think that, I'm very hyper vigilant, andthat has brought that to the fore as well.
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but I need to understandwhy people do what they do.
And when I got underneath all ofthat and realised, it was like, huh.
I got peace.
And now I do it, as a matter of course.
But, yeah.
and as for how it's impacted myfamily, my children are all obsessed
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with it in different ways, and theyall have talent in different ways.
Macy's probably the least, but she's only17, but my daughter uses it all the time.
My, two sons, they lookat it in different ways.
They have different areas whereit really aligns with them.
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and any friendship, relationship,any boss, they're like, Mum,
we've got to get this chart out.
Let's see who they really are.
And, they're picking throughit and trying to understand.
So it's given them, a keener interestin other people as well, and to
be more observant and to not justgo along with anything, to have
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questions, to dig in to situationsand get underneath, not just accept
what's obvious and been handed over.
So it's been quite interesting.
And then they've hadpartners that, you know, also
constant, conversations, and theysend me stuff, and I'm looking at
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things, and politicians, oh, we'regoing to do their astrology, and
oh, who's this next person in power?
So it brings conversationto the table, too.
We talk in those terms.
Because it's a language.
Yeah, it's a language.
That's all.
This is a second language.
So just in so as an example fora politician, instead of saying.
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Oh, I've seen him and he's great.
Mm-hmm
Or, oh, I've seen himand he's not so great.
And you, by looking at theirchart, you get a pretty good
idea of why that is the case.
Yeah.
You get to see who they areat home and their undies.
Yeah.
And so then you are able tosee whether it is that they're
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there because of the money.
Whether they're corruptible or corrupted,you get to see where their integrity is.
Or if there is any present.
Or not, So yeah, it's fascinating.
I find people fascinating.
I am interested in, but my maingoal in being an astrologist is to
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help people reach their potential.
That's what lights my fire.
I love seeing people succeed.
That is, when I get a feedback, andI got something last night, one of
my clients said, you said I was goingto get a job by January, and I've
got the job on the 28th of January.
Oh, excellent.
Yeah, fantastic.
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Yeah.
So that's a good meaningfor the community.
what you're doing as anastrologer is having good
impacts on the community as well.
Yeah.
she's had to wait.
this was two months ago and Isaid to her, look, this energy
is not going to change till then.
So you're going to have to tread water.
And what are you going to do?
What how are you going tomake while you're waiting?
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Instead of panicking and tearingyour hair out and getting anxious
and overthinking it, nothing'shappening between here and here.
So enjoy, rest, relax, get ready.
Because that's going to happen then.
This is where the energy shifts.
And of course, there it is.
Just sits there, comes up, theopportunity arrives and away
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you go.
And the thing is thatpeople think that's luck.
I don't believe in luck.
Luck, it means that you're not connected,that it's random and arbitrary and
you didn't deserve it, or you haven'tworked towards it, or you haven't
made changes in your life to set up.
I don't believe in that.
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I believe that we do orwe don't do, but there are
consequences, in both directions.
And so this is, like I said,optimizing what you have.
It's cashing in on your experienceand on yourself, and who you are,
and what you bring to the table.
And also giving yourself anopportunity to heal roadblocks, to
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recognise what they are, to see wherethey came from, how did you learn
that, and get out of your own way.
Yeah, it's had a huge impact inmy household, my family, and of
course in my community becauseeverybody that knows that I do it
is on the blower, get cashing in.
And of course, and it ended up becoming acareer, in 2007 I changed career path and
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decided to become a full time astrologerand just, and I've, raised a child on it.
As a single parent on my own, unassisted.
So it can be done as acareer decision as well.
That's an amazing, like when you holdthe keys, that everybody wants the keys.
Yes.
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And not everybody gets there.
No.
And the thing is that, some people'sblockages are bigger than their
capacity to see what they're good at.
And I think one of the thingsabout our society is that
we focus on what we're not.
We're taught to focus onwhat we're not good at.
At school, it's a, oh, you'vegot to get better at maths.
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It's maths is never going to be my bag,so I'm going to focus on what I'm actually
good at and make that my thing ratherthan drag myself and drain all my energy,
forcing myself through a meat mincer tolearn something I don't love, and I'm
never going to use in my, whatever thatis, whatever that skill set is, whether
it's maths or sciences or whatever, it'sabout finding your lane that totally
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resonates with who you are and why you'rehere, and then living that to the absolute
optimum, and then you're in grace.
Because for me, being ingrace means to be in flow.
Life happens for you.
Not against you, because you'retotally in you're walking your
story, you're walking your truth.
Yes, the community catches it.
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They love it.
My friends are like, what's going on?
It's Mercury retrograde at the moment.
yes.
And then, my clients and colleagues.
Yeah.
There's so much meaning in whatyou're able to do as a astrologer.
It's amazing.
We'll have a break now and after thebreak we'll have a look at how you do it.
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We've had a look at what it means thatMichelle can be an astrologer Now,
let's have a look at how you do it.
Michelle, if someone wantedto become an astrologer these
days, how would they do it?
For me, reading.
Reading first and foremost.
Go to the library.
If you're in Perth, there is aTheosophical Library at the Theosophical
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Society in Glendower Street.
I actually did my training there in theTheosophical Society back in the 80s.
but read.
Read the books.
Don't go online.
I don't go online, because onlineis new age, it's hip, and it's
the fad, futuristic kind of.
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go and do the actual, real reading.
Get the old esoteric books outof the library, from all the
old masters, and learn that way.
Do some courses and workshops soyou're communing with others, so you're
sharing information, getting otherinsights, because I think that's also
really important to network with it.
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and yeah, you have to be self led.
You have to want to know.
And I think the first thing thatI would recommend to everyone,
do your own chart first.
Go in.
Introspection is the key.
There's no one you shouldbe more interested in than
figuring out yourself first.
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And once you know you, then you'reable to have other deeper connections.
So I would always say, read thebooks and start with yourself.
Draw up your own chart.
Go online and print one off, but don'tlook at the interpretations online.
Because the internet is standing on theshoulders of giants, unfortunately, and it
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doesn't have enough it's not deep enough.
You want to read the books.
there's some beautifulmythological books that are
storytelling that are connected to.
that will help really embed it as anarchetype, because it is an archetypal
system, as much as it's a science.
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So it's got all sorts of thingscoming in and converging, but
definitely read the books.
And the Theosophical Society is thetype of place you'll find the books?
Well they're open to allforms of thinking, and so they
have an incredible library.
And around the world.
Like I, if I'm in India,I'm in their book library.
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If I'm in Melbourne, I'min their book library.
I make a point of going to theirbookshops and libraries because some
of the knowledge is no longer written.
You can't buy these books anymore.
You can't, you have togo and seek them out.
You have to have a desire to go deep.
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It's not surfacey.
It's not new age pop psychology, which iswhat it is purported to be out there now.
Unfortunately, and that's where Istruggle because I think people, some
people come and think that's whatthey're going to get from me and I, yeah.
And is it important also to set an intent?
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Yes.
I think the intent has to be, for me,it always has to be about integrity.
You have to know that there'sa lot of power in astrology.
You're going in to lookat somebody's stuff.
Whatever it is, on any level, whetherit's political, whether it's personal,
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whether it's a workplace set up, therehas to, you have to go in with humility.
You can't go in with judgement.
You have to hold a different kind of spaceand you have to be open minded to it.
So those for me are the intent.
It's not about getting an outcome.
It's about the process, always.
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what is your intent as an astrologer?
And also, one thing that I do with myclients, much to their, disdain, is that
I will not let them get too far ahead.
Because the future is not writtenuntil you actually step into it.
So we're not doing that.
We're not doing the prediction.
I can see the futureby looking at the past.
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If you do nothing and keepon the course you're on.
And in reality, if you look back atyour past, you'll see the future.
That's exactly right.
I can absolutely see, the future isgoing to look exactly like the past.
but I, I don't give them.
Put them too far into, there's things theydon't need to know straight off the bat.
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They need, it's a process ofhealing so that, because people
want instant gratification.
We're in a society of instant.
I want it immediate.
I want my spirituality.
I want my this, I want my that.
I want to do this and that.
And it's actually, if you don'theal this, you don't go any further.
So here we go.
This is what we're going to do today.
And this is what we're going to focus on.
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And until this is moved, it's an anchor.
Like mastery.
you aren't made a master.
You become a masterthrough what you've done.
And you've worked up through steps fromknowing nothing to knowing a little bit.
To knowing more, to beingcompetent, to being seen by
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others to be more than competent.
And then even from there, you'renot there at master stage yet.
The master stage is when you do itwithout even realising that you've
been through the calculations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think because we're in such aninstant gratification kind of society.
(32:36):
It's, everyone is just fix my life.
Here's my astrology how can Iget from here to there without
doing any work on myself?
It's ah, you've come to the wrong girl.
I am not your person.
And this is not your day, because there'sa long journey here and you've bypassed
it for 28 years or 30 years or 40 years.
(32:58):
So it's still waiting.
It's still here.
And you're behind the schedule.
You are now behind the eight ball, yes.
So yeah, it can be confronting.
It can be confronting and sometimes I'mpulling up stuff in astrology that people
have hidden from themselves because theycan't bear it, it's been too painful.
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So you know, there's lots ofthings that you have to be really
delicate with in how you approach.
And I generally wait to be invited.
I wait for someone to come to me andsay, this is happening and I need help.
And I'm like, that isthis, and here we go.
Down we go.
yeah.
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You can't put a bomb, you can't throwa grenade in someone's backyard.
No matter what
That's why I asked thequestion about intent.
yeah.
Where do you take this?
Are you using it for good or for evil?
yeah.
For good.
Always.
Always.
yeah, you want to optimize and havesomeone reach their potential with
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as little pain as you can manage.
It's not always the case, and thereis lots of tears often as people
realize how they got where they gotor what's involved or any of those
things, but it's Revelationary.
And also it's the other thing is thereshould be no surprises in terms of there
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should be nothing that an astrologer orany reader, I'm going to say that, no one
should know more about you than you do.
There should be confirming.
There might be some confirmationyou didn't want to look at, but
it is confirming all the same.
There should be No part of aastrology session where you
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go, I don't relate to that.
That's a sign you're not with theright reader, the right astrologer.
Because every bit of it, you shouldgo, Yes, I identify with that.
And that is problematic.
Or Yes, I know I'm good at that.
But like I said, going back towhat I said about, we're focused on
what we're not, so many people areso preoccupied with their flaws.
(35:12):
They're not optimizing their potential.
And I like to swing the pendulumback and go, Look at this!
This is so cool!
You've got this!
Oh, you lucky duck!
Stop doing that!
Get out of that!
That's a waste of time!
Get over here and look at this!
Yeah, because we're, conditioning.
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parents drum into us what we're not, Oh,you don't, you're not doing this properly.
So we spend years going around in circlesin that hole, missing all the other
beautiful potential and opportunity.
And astrology has itlaid out there for you.
(35:54):
totally.
And I hold it up and I go,look, it's in black and white.
I have a visual representation of that.
You can't get out from under it now.
, it's something you keep learning.
You never stop as, as I said, even.
I do, I'm constantly doing workshops.
I read constantly.
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I'm in podcasts.
I'm listening to other astrologers.
I follow some astrologers thatI think are really good around
the world and their sites.
I'm constantly tapping in.
It's, yeah, it's a growth thingbecause you're never going to know
everything there's no end to it.
Every person is a universe.
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There's how many billion people out there,
Everyone's an individual.
Yep.
Everyone has their own journey.
Role, too, in that.
Collective.
think of them as we're all singular cells.
Part of an entire organism.
Yeah.
If someone was, out at the far endson the outside of the universe as
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it's known, looking back in, we'reamongst the smallest of the particles.
Exactly.
Yep.
That's exactly how I see it.
And of course astrology it's a mirror,it's like the macrocosm and the microcosm.
Yeah.
So macro being
The collective.
The collective and micro being.
The individual.
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And, this is why when we went into all ofthis crazy and everyone's running around,
like headless chooks, what do we do?
What do we do?
the world's henny penny,the sky is falling.
I'm like, you have to do you.
You have to heal.
The world is a mess because we're,we've got seven generations of unhealed
individuals all running around,all caught up in, our own spiral of
(37:42):
chaos, whatever that might be, whetherit's in our personal life, whether
it's in our political life, acrossthe board, it's the way we live on
the earth, the disconnect is huge.
So when we start healing us and we startlooking at ourselves, we automatically
heal our immediate environment,our friendships, our siblings, our
parents, our partners, our children.
(38:04):
But it goes out into the community,because they go out into the community.
And so it's a Mexican wave.
And so for me, the answer to all thecrazy is to come in, because if you are
in alignment here, you're not going tosay yes to something discordant out there.
Whatever that is.
(38:25):
And you'll be able to identify.
You'll be able to identify straight away.
Yeah, totally.
You won't be bamboozled.
Because you're in here going, ah.
I'm confident.
Yeah.
I know what I'm
doing.
But also, I wouldn't do that to myself.
Why would I do that to someone elseor her, or a community of people or,
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we have lost, we're so disconnected.
So we agree and go along withthings because the, the spruikers.
We just don't stop and go, wheredo I, how do I feel about that?
And if you're disconnected,you don't know how you feel.
You don't.
Yep.
And it gives you a mirror andanother way, a positive way to
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see yourself outside of yourself.
From someone who doesn't know youfrom a bar or so generally, because
I don't, I have repeat clients, but Isee people every week that I've never
met before, and they walk into myhouse, sit down, and I just unzip them.
And go, look at all this exciting stuff.
what do you want to do with it?
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How do you want to go forward?
Are you living your best life?
Probably not.
Let's help you get there.
Probably not, because we'venot had tracks and trails and
rails to actually guide us to
No, like I said, there'sseven generations of trauma.
Everything's just been handeddown and one thing, my, one of my
favourite quotes is there's no away.
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You can't throw anything away.
You can't walk away from anything.
You take yourself withyou everywhere you go.
Rubbish keeps turningup if we throw it away.
there's no away.
We have to deal with it.
That's it.
It's responsibility.
Every single footprint, we cannot bedisconnected, and it's, it requires work
(40:14):
and conscientiousness, which is easiersaid than done, but you know, here we are.
Thank you very much forbeing on the show, Michelle.
We've already had hours of chatting.
This is just the short version.
yes, thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
It's lovely to have this conversation.
And all Forrest.Chat listeners wish youall the best with your future endeavours.
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Welcome To Forrest.Chat,where we talk about individual
endeavour in Western Australia.
What it takes, what itmeans, And how you do it.
I'm your host, Paul van der Mey,and in today's episode we're
talking with Michelle Scarrottabout being an astrologer.
Michelle started herjourney as an astrologer.
(00:25):
back in her early teenage years,and she's expanded and developed
on her capabilities until today.
Welcome to Forrest.Chat, Michelle.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
We've been having discussions in thebackground about, being an astrologer
and it's, it's been very interesting.
(00:46):
You've been talked at a lot.
it has been very much enlightening.
Certainly not what I expected it to be.
So that begs the question,what is being an astrologer?
Astrology is the, relationship between theconstellations and the earth, the planet,
the people, everything that's going on.
(01:07):
And it's connecting dots because we areso impacted energetically by everything
that is out there in the celestial.
as we know the moon moves the tidesand we are 70 percent water, so we are
very impacted by the energy exchangesbetween the luminaries and the planets.
(01:29):
And so basically it's alanguage of explanation.
Astrology that I look intois the personality profiles.
what makes you do whatyou do, how you do it.
It's your personal blueprint.
But it's also can be usedin a really big picture way.
So you can see how itworks in geopolitical.
(01:52):
You can see how it works in animals.
I have got a client thatdoes animal astrology.
And so they work out there.
personality of their animals.
And so it can be done in so many ways inworkplaces and different, environments.
So it has a, a very powerful,different take on psychology,
when you talk about a differenttake, it's really predecessor
(02:15):
absolutely.
For psychology and of course,psychology being, evidence based.
I've only ever found, small elementsof what that's really about.
Yes.
So it is, it's being insync with an environment.
And one of the thingsthat, we've arrived at.
(02:36):
But the, in our society at themoment is that we're not in sync.
We're not in sync with any of therhythms and astrology is one of
those very powerful moving andshaking rhythms that we need to align
ourselves with and work in with.
And so learning about astrology, andlearning about yourself and how you move
(02:57):
in the world is a very powerful tool.
Very powerful tool.
It's like the keys to yourpersonality and to your life.
It's the blueprint.
And everything has a blueprintbecause everything is of nature.
So when you use astrology as a vehiclefor explanation or language or communing
(03:18):
or trying to realign back into.
rhythm.
you're connecting back to your power.
Yeah.
That's really powerful.
You talked about energy andenergy is power and it enables
your personal power as well.
Yes.
Very much
Very much for generations, whenwe talked about this earlier,
we use astrology for gardening.
We plant by the moon, it's not random.
(03:41):
We're of the earth.
We're of all of it.
So we have to connect back to it.
And this is one of the beautifulsources that's totally available
at all times to connect to.
And yes, and so you optimize.
as we've spoken about before, it's,the prediction side of it has been run
(04:01):
with and it's created a misalignmentabout what astrology is about, but
it's actually about optimizing yourpotential, whether that's gardening
as an individual in the workplace.
Yeah, it's harnessing.
Yeah, the prediction sideis almost the, fad side.
It is very fad.
And it has nothing to do withwhat its original uses are.
(04:24):
It's been taken over andused to manipulate really.
But, yeah, it's amazing when youactually are harnessing and living in
your potential or recognizing where yourstrengths are and weaknesses so that
you can actually overcome them because,it's a completely self contained unit.
And then what tools do you getto work with as an astrologer?
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Initially when I first learned it, we hadto create our own charts from scratch.
And so that involved an ephemerisand a table of houses because you're
using latitude and longitude, exacttime of birth, the distance from
Greenwich Meantime, time wise,it's a lot of calculations and
a maths equation like no other.
(05:10):
Because you're doingtime, distance, latitude.
and then we draw upthe chart from scratch.
So it was, easily a couple of hoursbefore you even got to the interpretation,
just in setting up the chart.
one thing I love about modern technologyis now we can just pop it into a
program, pop all the informationin, and it spits out the chart.
(05:31):
You've still got to do allthe interpretations yourself.
But, Computers are great at that.
you've just
shortcut all that hard work and allthat labour, around getting it ready.
Yeah.
And what does a chart look
like?
it looks like a map, really.
It's a circular mapwith planets around it.
(05:55):
you've got the center and then allyour planets are situated around it.
And what it does is it shows youwhere your strengths are, where your
weaknesses are, how you operate,how you present, what you look like.
It gives you that map if you can read it.
Otherwise it looks like crazy.
Most people look at that and go,oh my gosh, that's just, madness.
(06:17):
So we had a look at a celebrity's,map last night and literally
if you think of a clock face.
Then, where the numbers arearound the clock, there's a
whole series of like angles.
Yeah.
so that's like a, the rim of a wheel.
Yep.
Around it.
Yep.
You've got the houses.
So you've got the spokes on thewheel, which describe different
departments of your life.
(06:38):
And then you've got yourplanet situated within that.
And then they describe personality traits.
And then the lines that, go betweenplanets, describe what comes easy
to you and what you struggle with,depending on the nature of the lines.
Yep.
So it's a mixture ofcircles, dots and lines.
Yeah.
and little glyphs or little symbols.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
And so what you're looking at isthe relationship, for each of them,
who, how they relate to each other.
just as one person might say one thing anddo the opposite, that shows in a chart.
You can see that their wordssay this, their actions do that.
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And it shows, you can see it.
You can go, this, you'renot walking your talk.
Literal.
It's literal.
It's like right in frontof you as a drawing.
Provided you know how to interpret it.
If you can read it.
We'll talk about how you can read it atthe end of the, at the end of the episode.
Yeah.
Not how to read it, but how to learn.
How to learn.
How to get to the pointwhere you can read it.
(07:42):
And, you talked about, place andtime so do people share charts?
Yes.
But not, they are never the same.
You do not have, there willbe no one else like you.
Your chart is unique to you.
It's so specific.
Even twins, they will usually, whenI have, when I see twins, they will
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have, One side of the personality, oneof the children will be the creative,
the the internalised, and then theother will be, and the same planets,
but the other one will experienceit, they will be more external, more
academic, and so what you're gettingis you're getting the opposites,
because every sign has an opposite.
(08:25):
Every planet has an opposite.
They have good and bad.
They have weaknesses and strengths.
So it's so nuanced in that way.
When you talk about twins, because I dolots of twins, I see lots of twins in
particular, because that's a good example.
When I talk about an energy, theygo, Oh yeah, this one does that.
Oh yeah, no, that one does that.
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And there is duality.
All the way through astrology.
Even though it is only, minutes to
Yep.
Yep.
Just a handful more minutes.
Yeah, it can
be, if there's a c section,it can be five minutes.
Yeah.
But it's enough to But it's enough
to But they, it's almost, for me,when I look at it, it's almost as
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though they are a whole, together.
Which makes sense for twins.
especially if they're, identical.
Yeah.
Fraternal twins clearlydon't even look alike.
And so you can see there'sa huge difference there.
And you can,
yeah.
It's easier to resolve in your mindthat they would be so different.
(09:30):
Yeah.
very interesting.
It is.
And I do lots of babies because ofcourse people want to know how to
parent they're children and it givesthem the heads up, what to look for,
what, where to push, where to pull.
if you're a parent and we go in with allour own stuff, fears and, and what we
didn't get as a child and, all our stuff.
(09:50):
And then of course, astrologytakes you right the way back out
of that and just goes, this is whatyou need to be concerned about.
These are the things youdon't need to worry about.
yeah, children, babies, twins.
But yeah, there is no one else like you.
You are unique and individual andastrology sees you as a whole.
it sees and also for every, withinthat, for every, problem that
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you might perceive in your chart,you have the solution inbuilt.
So there's no external looking needed.
It's an inward journey.
Very much an inward journey.
Yeah.
. Taking time to get to know yourself.
So you've raised a fewdifferent elements there.
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It's really good to hear about.
We'll talk now about what ittakes you to be an astrologer.
So like I said, initially I had to,when I first learned astrology back
in the 80s, there was no computers.
So I had to learn how to do allthose calculations and understand
all of the maps and bits and pieces.
(10:57):
Nowadays I don't do that by hand.
I have a software program thatI particularly like and use.
It's the interpretation thatis the most amount of work.
And You have to have akeen interest in people.
You have to be interested intheir psychology or psyche
or why they do what they do.
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And that was already in me in spades.
By my nature.
I also am interested in historyand mythologies and other learning.
So I read a lot.
I research.
And so it's piecing things together.
It's looking at things froma different point of view.
And it's also coming away fromsometimes the emotion of something and
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seeing what it actually is as it is.
So it's a type of thinking, Ithink, to think a certain way.
You have to be open.
Being open, that's a pretty, amazingthing to be able to do, because when
you are open, then you seem to seeso many more different connections.
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And question.
I could open a one, onesection of astrology.
You could read one thing.
in one book, and 30 other booksare going to have a different
variation on that thing.
So you have to be able to lookat all of that and find how does
it actually apply to that person.
So everything joins up, notone part of your chart is a
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monolith to any of the other.
There absolutely has to be connectionsmade and so sitting in the energy of
someone else helps, and we talked aboutthat earlier, but I feel into that
person and I see the interconnectednesswhen I'm looking at a chart.
I ask questions, I don't justcharge in and go this and this,
(12:51):
because it's a conversation.
I'm not predicting, what I'm tryingto do is help iron out, how you got
where you got, and how we're goingto get you where you need to be.
And so Yeah, but having an interestin learning about people and society,
geopolitical astrology is fascinating.
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You'd have plenty to work on now.
I actually went and did a yearstudy in prep for this in 2019.
I actually, yeah, causeI, it's never been my bag.
I've always been into theinterpersonal astrology.
But I knew what was coming, and I knewthat it was going to be big, and I knew
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that I wasn't, I didn't have enoughpolitical knowledge, so I just did a
year's study with a mentor in Costa Rica.
online.
So I never stop learning and I neverthink I know everything because I know
nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That's the other thing.
I think in order to be inastrology you have to admit that.
(13:55):
No matter how much you think youknow, you don't know anything.
So stay with that and you'll do fine.
Yeah.
Always be willing to learn because likeI said, each person is a unique universe.
So each person has anopportunity to learn and grow.
And we're stronger when we do that.
It's just, it's that fascination.
(14:16):
So what you've talked about, youmentioned about doing a year's
worth of study back in 2019.
Mm. what skills did you use to identifythat you needed to do something like that?
So when you're looking at people'schart, so one of the things that I do
is not just the astrology of a person.
(14:39):
I look at what they are transitingthrough, who they are becoming as
people, because we're not stagnant.
We keep moving and growing.
So people were checking in, and, I waslooking at the astrology anyway of,
cause you do, we're looking constantlyto see what energies we're working with
and you're relaying that back to peopleand say, actually, this isn't personal.
(15:01):
How you're feeling is, a seriesof things that are going on.
They are particularlyoppressive at the moment.
We'll be out of it by this date.
And this is the only type of predictionI like to do is go, look, on this day,
we're going to change science and you'regoing to feel a whole lot better, but
it's not sweeping kind of prediction.
It's more, understandthere, you're in a flow.
(15:22):
There is movement that isextraneous that we can't control.
This is how it works and this is theimpact that it has on you personally.
So I could see trends.
that we were leading intosome really big global things.
But it had nothing to do with what itwas purported to be about, because it was
(15:45):
a financial takedown in the astrology.
And so I kept saying that andthinking, what am I missing?
What is it that I'm not seeing?
Because I keep saying a money thing,which it was, and has been, and still is.
Definitely.
The last few years have been quitethe rollercoaster ride, financially.
(16:09):
So really it was a case of you.
So I realized that I did not haveenough knowledge politically as well.
and also that political astrologyhas not interested me enough.
I didn't know enough.
Every country has an astrology.
(16:30):
They, and big cities have astrologies.
We do, we actually have a type ofastrology called astrocartography,
which is the astrology of place.
And I could put your chart overthe top of the world map and
tell you where the countries arethat you're going to do well in.
and where you're also going tosuffer and struggle with and
it's not going to be fantastic.
(16:51):
So it goes right out into all areas andso I had to get way in there to understand
what was happening in the world.
And yeah, it was,intense to say the least.
I'm sure the process was.
But
it was confirming.
(17:13):
It was confirming and it was nice toalso for me to be having conversations
with people that knew what I was talkingabout, that we could relate in jargon,
which I can't do with my clients unlessthey are, adept in astrology to a point.
So I'm able to have thoseconversations and feel like I'm
not the only one seeing this.
(17:34):
I'm not the only one that'switnessing what I'm seeing.
Yeah.
So literally it was a case ofyou exercising your skills of
observation that allowed you tosee something that was going on.
And flesh it out.
And then fleshing it out.
Flesh it out and get right underneath it.
(17:54):
We've had a look at what it takes.
We'll have a break now and after thebreak we'll have a look at what it means.
We've had a look at what it takesnow, we'll look at what it means.
Michelle, what does it mean toyou, your family, or the community,
(18:17):
that you can be an astrologer?
okay, so for me personally, I've beendoing it for so long that I don't know
any other way to see the world, so for meit's deeply entwined in my personality.
I look at symbols, in lifeacross the board, not just
(18:37):
astrologically, but in other ways.
I see life in a series of,it's information constantly.
I am being given information, howI filter that, how I process it.
So for me, it's very important.
I've done it since I was 15.
I've been interested in workingwith people since I was 11
(19:00):
in different capacities.
And so it's, yeah, it's tied upwith my, personality, I think.
It's intrinsically linked.
It's your natural way of living.
It is my way of looking at life, totally.
And I did it as a child and didn'tknow that all astrology provided
was the language and the vehicleto express how I saw the world.
(19:24):
It's like being a dancer.
Dance brings a language.
Painting brings a language.
Astrology is my language, and Ithink in it, I speak in it, I relate
to the world through that and it,and it's mythological and esoteric
(19:44):
and it's got all of that going on,and I just, I'm observant, so yeah.
I notice what others don't.
And how is it that younotice that others don't?
I think that's to do with my childhood.
I think that, I'm very hyper vigilant, andthat has brought that to the fore as well.
(20:08):
but I need to understandwhy people do what they do.
And when I got underneath all ofthat and realised, it was like, huh.
I got peace.
And now I do it, as a matter of course.
But, yeah.
and as for how it's impacted myfamily, my children are all obsessed
(20:30):
with it in different ways, and theyall have talent in different ways.
Macy's probably the least, but she's only17, but my daughter uses it all the time.
My, two sons, they lookat it in different ways.
They have different areas whereit really aligns with them.
(20:51):
and any friendship, relationship,any boss, they're like, Mum,
we've got to get this chart out.
Let's see who they really are.
And, they're picking throughit and trying to understand.
So it's given them, a keener interestin other people as well, and to
be more observant and to not justgo along with anything, to have
(21:13):
questions, to dig in to situationsand get underneath, not just accept
what's obvious and been handed over.
So it's been quite interesting.
And then they've hadpartners that, you know, also
constant, conversations, and theysend me stuff, and I'm looking at
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things, and politicians, oh, we'regoing to do their astrology, and
oh, who's this next person in power?
So it brings conversationto the table, too.
We talk in those terms.
Because it's a language.
Yeah, it's a language.
That's all.
This is a second language.
So just in so as an example fora politician, instead of saying.
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Oh, I've seen him and he's great.
Mm-hmm
Or, oh, I've seen himand he's not so great.
And you, by looking at theirchart, you get a pretty good
idea of why that is the case.
Yeah.
You get to see who they areat home and their undies.
Yeah.
And so then you are able tosee whether it is that they're
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there because of the money.
Whether they're corruptible or corrupted,you get to see where their integrity is.
Or if there is any present.
Or not, So yeah, it's fascinating.
I find people fascinating.
I am interested in, but my maingoal in being an astrologist is to
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help people reach their potential.
That's what lights my fire.
I love seeing people succeed.
That is, when I get a feedback, andI got something last night, one of
my clients said, you said I was goingto get a job by January, and I've
got the job on the 28th of January.
Oh, excellent.
Yeah, fantastic.
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Yeah.
So that's a good meaningfor the community.
what you're doing as anastrologer is having good
impacts on the community as well.
Yeah.
she's had to wait.
this was two months ago and Isaid to her, look, this energy
is not going to change till then.
So you're going to have to tread water.
And what are you going to do?
What how are you going tomake while you're waiting?
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Instead of panicking and tearingyour hair out and getting anxious
and overthinking it, nothing'shappening between here and here.
So enjoy, rest, relax, get ready.
Because that's going to happen then.
This is where the energy shifts.
And of course, there it is.
Just sits there, comes up, theopportunity arrives and away
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you go.
And the thing is thatpeople think that's luck.
I don't believe in luck.
Luck, it means that you're not connected,that it's random and arbitrary and
you didn't deserve it, or you haven'tworked towards it, or you haven't
made changes in your life to set up.
I don't believe in that.
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I believe that we do orwe don't do, but there are
consequences, in both directions.
And so this is, like I said,optimizing what you have.
It's cashing in on your experienceand on yourself, and who you are,
and what you bring to the table.
And also giving yourself anopportunity to heal roadblocks, to
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recognise what they are, to see wherethey came from, how did you learn
that, and get out of your own way.
Yeah, it's had a huge impact inmy household, my family, and of
course in my community becauseeverybody that knows that I do it
is on the blower, get cashing in.
And of course, and it ended up becoming acareer, in 2007 I changed career path and
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decided to become a full time astrologerand just, and I've, raised a child on it.
As a single parent on my own, unassisted.
So it can be done as acareer decision as well.
That's an amazing, like when you holdthe keys, that everybody wants the keys.
Yes.
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And not everybody gets there.
No.
And the thing is that, some people'sblockages are bigger than their
capacity to see what they're good at.
And I think one of the thingsabout our society is that
we focus on what we're not.
We're taught to focus onwhat we're not good at.
At school, it's a, oh, you'vegot to get better at maths.
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It's maths is never going to be my bag,so I'm going to focus on what I'm actually
good at and make that my thing ratherthan drag myself and drain all my energy,
forcing myself through a meat mincer tolearn something I don't love, and I'm
never going to use in my, whatever thatis, whatever that skill set is, whether
it's maths or sciences or whatever, it'sabout finding your lane that totally
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resonates with who you are and why you'rehere, and then living that to the absolute
optimum, and then you're in grace.
Because for me, being ingrace means to be in flow.
Life happens for you.
Not against you, because you'retotally in you're walking your
story, you're walking your truth.
Yes, the community catches it.
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They love it.
My friends are like, what's going on?
It's Mercury retrograde at the moment.
yes.
And then, my clients and colleagues.
Yeah.
There's so much meaning in whatyou're able to do as a astrologer.
It's amazing.
We'll have a break now and after thebreak we'll have a look at how you do it.
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We've had a look at what it means thatMichelle can be an astrologer Now,
let's have a look at how you do it.
Michelle, if someone wantedto become an astrologer these
days, how would they do it?
For me, reading.
Reading first and foremost.
Go to the library.
If you're in Perth, there is aTheosophical Library at the Theosophical
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Society in Glendower Street.
I actually did my training there in theTheosophical Society back in the 80s.
but read.
Read the books.
Don't go online.
I don't go online, because onlineis new age, it's hip, and it's
the fad, futuristic kind of.
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go and do the actual, real reading.
Get the old esoteric books outof the library, from all the
old masters, and learn that way.
Do some courses and workshops soyou're communing with others, so you're
sharing information, getting otherinsights, because I think that's also
really important to network with it.
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and yeah, you have to be self led.
You have to want to know.
And I think the first thing thatI would recommend to everyone,
do your own chart first.
Go in.
Introspection is the key.
There's no one you shouldbe more interested in than
figuring out yourself first.
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And once you know you, then you'reable to have other deeper connections.
So I would always say, read thebooks and start with yourself.
Draw up your own chart.
Go online and print one off, but don'tlook at the interpretations online.
Because the internet is standing on theshoulders of giants, unfortunately, and it
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doesn't have enough it's not deep enough.
You want to read the books.
there's some beautifulmythological books that are
storytelling that are connected to.
that will help really embed it as anarchetype, because it is an archetypal
system, as much as it's a science.
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So it's got all sorts of thingscoming in and converging, but
definitely read the books.
And the Theosophical Society is thetype of place you'll find the books?
Well they're open to allforms of thinking, and so they
have an incredible library.
And around the world.
Like I, if I'm in India,I'm in their book library.
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If I'm in Melbourne, I'min their book library.
I make a point of going to theirbookshops and libraries because some
of the knowledge is no longer written.
You can't buy these books anymore.
You can't, you have togo and seek them out.
You have to have a desire to go deep.
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It's not surfacey.
It's not new age pop psychology, which iswhat it is purported to be out there now.
Unfortunately, and that's where Istruggle because I think people, some
people come and think that's whatthey're going to get from me and I, yeah.
And is it important also to set an intent?
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Yes.
I think the intent has to be, for me,it always has to be about integrity.
You have to know that there'sa lot of power in astrology.
You're going in to lookat somebody's stuff.
Whatever it is, on any level, whetherit's political, whether it's personal,
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whether it's a workplace set up, therehas to, you have to go in with humility.
You can't go in with judgement.
You have to hold a different kind of spaceand you have to be open minded to it.
So those for me are the intent.
It's not about getting an outcome.
It's about the process, always.
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what is your intent as an astrologer?
And also, one thing that I do with myclients, much to their, disdain, is that
I will not let them get too far ahead.
Because the future is not writtenuntil you actually step into it.
So we're not doing that.
We're not doing the prediction.
I can see the futureby looking at the past.
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If you do nothing and keepon the course you're on.
And in reality, if you look back atyour past, you'll see the future.
That's exactly right.
I can absolutely see, the future isgoing to look exactly like the past.
but I, I don't give them.
Put them too far into, there's things theydon't need to know straight off the bat.
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They need, it's a process ofhealing so that, because people
want instant gratification.
We're in a society of instant.
I want it immediate.
I want my spirituality.
I want my this, I want my that.
I want to do this and that.
And it's actually, if you don'theal this, you don't go any further.
So here we go.
This is what we're going to do today.
And this is what we're going to focus on.
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And until this is moved, it's an anchor.
Like mastery.
you aren't made a master.
You become a masterthrough what you've done.
And you've worked up through steps fromknowing nothing to knowing a little bit.
To knowing more, to beingcompetent, to being seen by
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others to be more than competent.
And then even from there, you'renot there at master stage yet.
The master stage is when you do itwithout even realising that you've
been through the calculations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think because we're in such aninstant gratification kind of society.
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It's, everyone is just fix my life.
Here's my astrology how can Iget from here to there without
doing any work on myself?
It's ah, you've come to the wrong girl.
I am not your person.
And this is not your day, because there'sa long journey here and you've bypassed
it for 28 years or 30 years or 40 years.
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So it's still waiting.
It's still here.
And you're behind the schedule.
You are now behind the eight ball, yes.
So yeah, it can be confronting.
It can be confronting and sometimes I'mpulling up stuff in astrology that people
have hidden from themselves because theycan't bear it, it's been too painful.
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So you know, there's lots ofthings that you have to be really
delicate with in how you approach.
And I generally wait to be invited.
I wait for someone to come to me andsay, this is happening and I need help.
And I'm like, that isthis, and here we go.
Down we go.
yeah.
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You can't put a bomb, you can't throwa grenade in someone's backyard.
No matter what
That's why I asked thequestion about intent.
yeah.
Where do you take this?
Are you using it for good or for evil?
yeah.
For good.
Always.
Always.
yeah, you want to optimize and havesomeone reach their potential with
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as little pain as you can manage.
It's not always the case, and thereis lots of tears often as people
realize how they got where they gotor what's involved or any of those
things, but it's Revelationary.
And also it's the other thing is thereshould be no surprises in terms of there
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should be nothing that an astrologer orany reader, I'm going to say that, no one
should know more about you than you do.
There should be confirming.
There might be some confirmationyou didn't want to look at, but
it is confirming all the same.
There should be No part of aastrology session where you
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go, I don't relate to that.
That's a sign you're not with theright reader, the right astrologer.
Because every bit of it, you shouldgo, Yes, I identify with that.
And that is problematic.
Or Yes, I know I'm good at that.
But like I said, going back towhat I said about, we're focused on
what we're not, so many people areso preoccupied with their flaws.
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They're not optimizing their potential.
And I like to swing the pendulumback and go, Look at this!
This is so cool!
You've got this!
Oh, you lucky duck!
Stop doing that!
Get out of that!
That's a waste of time!
Get over here and look at this!
Yeah, because we're, conditioning.
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parents drum into us what we're not, Oh,you don't, you're not doing this properly.
So we spend years going around in circlesin that hole, missing all the other
beautiful potential and opportunity.
And astrology has itlaid out there for you.
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totally.
And I hold it up and I go,look, it's in black and white.
I have a visual representation of that.
You can't get out from under it now.
, it's something you keep learning.
You never stop as, as I said, even.
I do, I'm constantly doing workshops.
I read constantly.
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I'm in podcasts.
I'm listening to other astrologers.
I follow some astrologers thatI think are really good around
the world and their sites.
I'm constantly tapping in.
It's, yeah, it's a growth thingbecause you're never going to know
everything there's no end to it.
Every person is a universe.
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There's how many billion people out there,
Everyone's an individual.
Yep.
Everyone has their own journey.
Role, too, in that.
Collective.
think of them as we're all singular cells.
Part of an entire organism.
Yeah.
If someone was, out at the far endson the outside of the universe as
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it's known, looking back in, we'reamongst the smallest of the particles.
Exactly.
Yep.
That's exactly how I see it.
And of course astrology it's a mirror,it's like the macrocosm and the microcosm.
Yeah.
So macro being
The collective.
The collective and micro being.
The individual.
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And, this is why when we went into all ofthis crazy and everyone's running around,
like headless chooks, what do we do?
What do we do?
the world's henny penny,the sky is falling.
I'm like, you have to do you.
You have to heal.
The world is a mess because we're,we've got seven generations of unhealed
individuals all running around,all caught up in, our own spiral of
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chaos, whatever that might be, whetherit's in our personal life, whether
it's in our political life, acrossthe board, it's the way we live on
the earth, the disconnect is huge.
So when we start healing us and we startlooking at ourselves, we automatically
heal our immediate environment,our friendships, our siblings, our
parents, our partners, our children.
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But it goes out into the community,because they go out into the community.
And so it's a Mexican wave.
And so for me, the answer to all thecrazy is to come in, because if you are
in alignment here, you're not going tosay yes to something discordant out there.
Whatever that is.
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And you'll be able to identify.
You'll be able to identify straight away.
Yeah, totally.
You won't be bamboozled.
Because you're in here going, ah.
I'm confident.
Yeah.
I know what I'm
doing.
But also, I wouldn't do that to myself.
Why would I do that to someone elseor her, or a community of people or,
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we have lost, we're so disconnected.
So we agree and go along withthings because the, the spruikers.
We just don't stop and go, wheredo I, how do I feel about that?
And if you're disconnected,you don't know how you feel.
You don't.
Yep.
And it gives you a mirror andanother way, a positive way to
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see yourself outside of yourself.
From someone who doesn't know youfrom a bar or so generally, because
I don't, I have repeat clients, but Isee people every week that I've never
met before, and they walk into myhouse, sit down, and I just unzip them.
And go, look at all this exciting stuff.
what do you want to do with it?
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How do you want to go forward?
Are you living your best life?
Probably not.
Let's help you get there.
Probably not, because we'venot had tracks and trails and
rails to actually guide us to
No, like I said, there'sseven generations of trauma.
Everything's just been handeddown and one thing, my, one of my
favourite quotes is there's no away.
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You can't throw anything away.
You can't walk away from anything.
You take yourself withyou everywhere you go.
Rubbish keeps turningup if we throw it away.
there's no away.
We have to deal with it.
That's it.
It's responsibility.
Every single footprint, we cannot bedisconnected, and it's, it requires work
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and conscientiousness, which is easiersaid than done, but you know, here we are.
Thank you very much forbeing on the show, Michelle.
We've already had hours of chatting.
This is just the short version.
yes, thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
It's lovely to have this conversation.
And all Forrest.Chat listeners wish youall the best with your future endeavours.
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Lovely.
Thank you.
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What it takes, what itmeans, and how you do it.
I'm your host, Paul van der Mey, and intoday's episode we talked with Michelle
Scarrott about being an astrologer.
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