May 7, 2025 • 2986 mins
I sat down with Ashley—a student of VoxTape Studios and a songwriter who picked up her musical journey again after serving in the military. We talk about what it’s like to restart your artistry later in life, the emotional roadblocks that come with it, and why you’re never “too old” or “too late” to build the voice (and music career) you’ve dreamed about.
Ashley’s story is proof that your voice doesn’t expire—and it’s never too late to start again.
🎧 If you’ve been feeling behind, disconnected from your voice, or wondering if it’s “too late” for you—this episode is for you.
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or like looked at what animals we really identify with
and like things like that
I know and I was like
I'm a turtle yeah haha
I love it people usually say like
I'm a hawk I'm a a
a lion or what I'm I'm a turtle haha
I love that haha
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Alrighty are you ready
let's get started today I have a wonderful
wonderful guest with us here coming from LA
and we are in LA hello
Ashley Kalina not Kalina
yes hello Ashley
how are you doing I'm good
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thank you so much for taking the time to be here today
with me and um
chat a little bit more about your experience
and your journey as an artist
you're taking lessons with us here at Box Tape Studios
and that's how we got introduced
so thank you first of all
for trusting us with your voice
uh you've worked with a
couple different coaches on our team already and um
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yeah we're just kind of here to chat about your journey
as an artist how you got started
how you got started a little bit
later than what most people would think is normal
whatever that means or
you know they think like
oh it's too late
if I am not already famous by the time I'm 16
yeah whatever
right
then we'll workshop a little bit of a song together
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if that's cool with you yeah awesome
tell me a little bit more
or tell us all of us a little bit more about yourself
how you got into music because you have a huge
huge huge background
you were in the army like yeah
oh my God okay
like so
so where does music come in
and you know
tell us a little bit about that
yeah yeah
I mean I
I grew up my my dad's a musician
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my whole family is into music
so I I grew up around it
and I did start playing violin and piano
when I was younger
I did a little bit of choir like a lot of people did
and then I just stopped because
you know life kind of got in the way
and like being a musician wasn't seen as like
a viable career path
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and I grew up really southern and conservative
and so it was like you know
that typical story but yeah
I got I got
back into music and see after the military
so after I was in the army
um I got out when I was 23
and then I picked up music again when I was about 27
28 I took vocal lessons um
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cause I just wanted to get my voice back up to what I
what it used to be and my coach at the time
who's actually a really good friend of mine Kate
um she
I was like oh
cause I wrote poetry and she's like
oh you write poetry and you sing
you should just like write songs
yeah like
oh yeah duh
so that never really crossed your mind before then
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no it's not okay cool
yeah so I took a stab at it and I haven't stopped since
wow yeah
that's awesome so
you know previous vocal coach
good friend yes
inspired you to to start writing songs
and now since then you've
you've created kind of a bunch of artist projects
if you wanna maybe call it that
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so you have your solo project
then you have a project with a friend
and then you have a production company
so tell us a little bit more how that all got evolved
you know yeah
I mean it's
it's all part of like the artist journey right
like
you realize that you wanna write music and you're like
okay what do I do with that
like there's
either you go the songwriting route or the artist
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route or both um
and so I really tried
for the longest time to go the artist route
and I still do but along the way
I found like other things that I like to do
and other people that I connect with and uh
it's been a really incredible journey but I
I have multiple artist projects solo artist projects
I have my group project with my um
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friend and like production and writing assistant
my friend Justin um
and then I also co own a label with him as well
and so we do artist development
I I found out that I love artist development
and I love
like helping other artists figure out who they are
and I try to approach it from a holistic
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like spiritual level which is like
kind of how I found myself
through music and through art
I had a lot of really great coaches along the way
um like Wendy Parr and Judy Stacey
yeah yeah
oh my god I've met her oh two years ago in the summer
it'll be two years oh my god
time flies yeah
she's so cool she is
she's so fun yeah
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yeah so you
you were working with her at 1.2
yes yeah
so I've done a lot of that
I've gone to writing camps
I've you know vocal camps
I've done it all the combination of all of that is
kind of LED me to where I am wow
I mean you've kind of done it all yeah
I try yeah
and you know I feel like a lot of times
singers or just creative people in general
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we wanna do so many different kinds of things
but then the world tells us
you have to stick in one lane
if you want to be successful
at what like
it's better to focus on one thing
and be really successful at that
than dabble in everything
and it's just like I mean
I get it but also like you
you have to do what fills your cup
and what feels your soul yes
and if that is multiple different things
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then go ahead and explore those things
cause otherwise it gets a little dry
yeah for the soul
it does yeah
it does I always struggle with that too
and you know for me it's like okay
hold on
I I'm juggling business brain and and creative brain
right cause you know
singing and vocal coaching
and all of that is very creative
but then also I'm running the business too haha
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yep so it's like
oh my gosh I gotta juggle both
and with you now that you have a label
I'm sure there's quite a bit of business
involved in that as well yeah
I've been fighting it haha
yeah haha
my friends like he he understands all the contracts
cause he's been doing this for a while
and we do a lot of like sync stuff as well
so we have to have those contracts and it's just
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it's a lot
and so I have to make it a point to kind of sit down
like once a week and
and kind of go over the business stuff
I I don't like it
haha I just wanna be creative
yeah that's all I wanna do
and just like live and like the clouds haha
yeah I don't blame you
I think a lot of us can relate to that
yeah haha yeah
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tell me a little bit more about why you
decided to enroll in voice lessons again
because you you initially after the army
there was like a three year gap and then you uh
you decided to take some voice lessons with your friend
Kate um
and then I don't know how much time there was between
when you then started with us
what made you wanna get back into it
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or did you even take a break
I don't know maybe it was
I definitely did I took a
I took a big break um
cause it's that it's that whole like
back and forth of like
being an artist and like finding your sound
and like oh
that's not my sound
and you'd like take a step back and be like okay
what am I doing like yeah
what am I doing haha
yeah that kind of stuff
it's always like the self doubt
um so I struggle with that
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everyone struggles with that if they
don't then they're like superhuman or something
but um
yeah I have and I'm still doing this
I'm still working on my sound
and like what that is because um
because when I was younger
I didn't have that opportunity to do so
a lot of younger
like children and like teenagers and stuff
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they're in that like great part of their lives
where they're not confined by society or like ideas
you know
like what they should be and what they shouldn't be
and so I know like a lot of kids and teens
like have the opportunity to find their voice then
and I did not just because of like how I grew up
and I know a lot of people are the same way
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but I have been really working on the past
like
5 years to find my authenticity and find out who I am
and that is what kind of carries artistry to me
it's like finding that thing that makes you
you and yeah
as it translates into vocals and it's finding out
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you know like what is my sound like yeah
I grew up singing like Britney Spears and like
all these all these like pop stars haha
um and yeah
I can do I
I I can do it Britney
but I
I wanna like figure out like is vocal fry natural to me
you know like what embellishments
you know come out
I have a vibrato that I really
really like things like that
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and
trying to marry that with the sound that I am feeling
right now it's just like
it's a process it is a process yeah
yeah I
I love how you're approaching it from
the complete opposite angle
then a lot of other singers are approaching it
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so this podcast is called from singer to artist
uh huh and
you know I'll ask you at the end what that means to you
haha little spoiler
you can already think of your answer
yeah for me
I was definitely a singer first where I was like
I wanna hit these notes perfectly and
you know do all these crazy vocal things with my voice
and belt my face off and blah blah
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blah blah blah right
it sounds like to me from what you're saying is
you're approaching it so much more from an artistic
standpoint where you're like
this is how I want to like
I want to express myself this way
how can I make that energy match
like how can I make my vocal energy match
my expressive energy my artistic energy
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and so that's super cool that's super cool
it's unfortunately
something I did not understand
until I went to acting school after
after high school
maybe it's because I didn't grow up speaking English
what yeah
so I I grew up speaking German
oh cool
and so I was singing songs in English cause
you know I heard Beyonce and Christina Aguilera on
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the radio and I was like yeah
that's exactly what I wanna do
hence the big belt stuff and
you know big notes and crazy vocal things in general
super difficult to do so I wanted to do exactly that
and I didn't necessarily understand
what I was singing about nor did I care
hmm for me
it was about the vocal performance
yeah I just wanted to sound good
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and so you know
just a little tiny Laura had a lot to learn
haha
and acting school definitely helped with that a lot
so it's just very interesting for me to see how
for you it's actually completely the opposite
so now you're focusing vocally
yes on how can I make that match
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yes kind of line up perfectly and not
this is what I'm trying to do
but my voice can't or doesn't want to
or it's not coming out exactly the way I wanted to
yeah I
I kind of call this having options
in your vocal training yeah
where we wanna work on the technical aspect of singing
so that we have different options
to sing the same notes in different ways
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yeah and then it's your artistic choice
yes to pick how you want to sing
uh huh each note yeah
has there been a little bit of a
of a breakthrough for you
or maybe a surprise for you
since you started working with us
it's been like yeah
I don't know nine months
almost I think so yeah
yeah it's been a while
yeah so anything that stood out to you
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yeah I mean
there's definitely been
I was just talking to Emily about this the other day
um
there's moments where I've noticed like a significant
like improvement and recently
maybe like the past month or so
cause I had to take a step back for a little while
because of like
life and holidays and all that
so I kind of had a long vocal rest
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yeah we all get those
trust me
yeah um
but when I came back and since we've been
you know consistently working um
my voice is like
I feel like it's becoming more effortless
and that
the techniques that I was using prior to vocal lessons
it was like the untrained
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like not technical at all
it was just kind of what I felt um
those kind of habits are going away
so I'm starting to
be able to access my mixed voice a lot easier
where like I have I have a decent mixed voice
but it was always I struggled to get there because
you know starting chest
starting head whatever
but now I can just start with mix and it's just
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it's so nice to actually know what I'm doing
yeah cause like you said
like you
you find out the techniques and then you can like pick
yeah based on your artistic expression
um and so I'm just been understanding all
of it and I definitely Learned more from it
from a technical perspective
so it's like um
I do something and then Emily will tell me oh
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you did that like that's what that sounds like
and then I remember in my head I'm like oh
this is what I did to make it sound like that
and so I I remember it for next time and I'm like
that's that's great um yeah
it's there's been
just a huge improvement overall with my voice
yeah that's so great
I'm so glad to hear that and uh
just picking up on one thing that you mentioned
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I feel like a lot of artists out there you know
especially you know
singers who are more in rock music or you know
like indie style
just like more alternative if you wanna call it that
whatever that means right
um they're afraid to take voice lessons
because they think that their singing is gonna lose
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you know their
their special thing
and that they're gonna sound too perfect
and do you have that fear at all with your
with your singing lessons
that it's gonna be like
too perfect at the end of the day or no
no I don't think that at all because I think I mean
especially rock singers and like alternative singers
I feel the ones that have worked on their voice
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they are so technical
even though you can't even tell like
how technical they are that's
how good at it exactly yes
yeah so I'm a huge believer in that
like I don't think I've ever once listened to anybody
singing pop music you know
at Top 40 whatever
that sounded too technical to me
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you know it always sounds like so natural and um
I mean very practiced
yes because you have to
like you have
it's a muscle you have to train your voice to
do what you want it to do um
and then have the stamina as well
like if you're touring or recording all the time
you gotta have that um
so no I mean I
I did I did have a fear at the beginning um
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I was like oh
am I gonna lose part of me
you know like
am I gonna be
just thinking about all the technical things
all the time
that I'm just gonna forget about emotional expression
and I
I know I always have to work on emotional expression
but I mean it's not
it just makes everything easier
yeah yeah
that's the goal with vocal training right
so
that you can do whatever it is that your heart desires
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that your creative brain desires um
and your vocal skills
are not gonna be the thing that's holding you back
from actually executing it
yep right
and you know
it's like mom giving you advice
and you don't wanna listen
just because it's mom giving you advice
yes so
you know whenever I say like
that's not what's gonna happen
people don't listen cause I'm a vocal coach
of course I'm gonna say that
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but if it comes from someone like you haha yeah
people might listen a little bit more
so thanks for for sharing your input there
but I'd love to do a little singing with you if you're
if you're up for it yeah
do we wanna do a quick call and response vocal warm up
or do you want to dig right it okay yeah
so with a little call and response warm up is basically
which is snap on 2 and 4 and I do a little something
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and you just repeat after me okay
yeah so 1
two three four
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nice
that was very good
awesome how's your voice feeling good
I mean that was super quick right
it's just kind of like okay
how's how's the voice we didn't go super low
we explored some of the higher notes
most of it in the mid range
because that's usually where most songs live
so are you feeling good let's just jump into it
let's jump in okay
(17:24):
let's do it I've been working on um
a lot of Sia lately okay
yeah I do love Sia
I know I always pick oh my God
with Emily I always pick
I'm like let's do Sia
let's do Bishop Briggs let's do like heart
you know let's do like all of these just like crazy
yeah singers and I'm like I
I I torture myself
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haha apparently
like that's some hard stuff to sing
but yeah you know
that's that's how you grow
that's how you get better when you challenge yourself
if you're constantly living in your comfort zone
in your sweet spot in your prima voce
as I like to call it too we want the majority
of what we do to live in that space
because that's our strengths right
that's how we can showcase what we do really well
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because we all have strengths and challenges
in our singing yes
but if we never go outside of it
then it's difficult to
you know further improve and work on
work on your singing cause
you know growth happens outside of your comfort zone
all right
it's me to jump into it yeah
it's gonna be a little yeah
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I always like get nervous when I sing
I'm like definitely one of those people that
even though I'm an artist and I do all this stuff
I prefer to like hide in the shadows
yeah yeah
I I think that's a lot of singers feel that way um
you know whether you're doing it for a hobby
or you wanna do it professionally
especially like once you get up on stage
it's like huh huh
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yeah yeah
hold on but that gets better with practice yes
do you perform live at all
I do yeah
I do um
I think it's like it's definitely a stage fright
and then once I get up there
I'm like fine you know
after I get past like the first 30 seconds
I'm like oh yeah
I know exactly yeah
the first 30 seconds are the worst yeah
and then you have the time of your life yep
it's just the leading up to it
and it's the same thing here
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and it's something
I tell people in their first singing lesson
with us too
it's like hey
we just gotta get through your cut once
and then you're good yes right
we just gotta get through that
and then it's gonna be just fine
so same thing here
we just gotta sing the first couple of phrases
and then you're good okay
okay okay
oh okay and
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yeah yeah
so cool oh
I love how you saying that that first
I've got an elastic heart
elastic heart like you you switched uh
a little bit into like just a really nice mix like
like a 50 50 mix up there
so it doesn't feel like
you know it didn't yeah
not like yelling yeah yeah
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nothing like went squeezy on you
but it also wasn't elastic
like a clear switch and ratchet like oh
that was so perfect haha
so good how did it feel
good I was a little uh
in my head on some of it but like
that's always like that
with the first like couple passes
I'm like I'm like
oh yeah and then I do it and yeah
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oh yeah I remember how to do this
but yeah oh yeah
of course of course yeah
uh you have been working on the song with Emily
in the past so yeah
what were some of the things that you guys have
talked about so far
yeah okay
so it's um really
cause we've been working on um
emotion with stuff
and I picked this song because I feel like I'm
I really relate to it right now
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just like in the specific part of my life
um and so it's just
it's easier for me to tap into that emotion and like
actually be in the moment and feel the song
um so that's
that's why I chose it and also because it's
it's very technical and see yeah
yes yes yeah
um a little ambitious
but um yeah
some of the things we worked on
it was accessing that emotion
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um
really going through kind of line by line
and figuring out what it means to me
and what sounds best
I know that's like kind of simple but um
you know starting the song off in mixed voice
versus starting it in like
head or like you know
chest or whatever yeah
and and we
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we found that like
me kind of using mix as my base for the song
and then kind of going into chest and head
when I need to is the best approach for it
so we we just like we did that
um we worked on some vocal flips
so like um
you did not break me I know I didn't do very well there
but that part yeah
(22:44):
um working on vocal flips
uh what else do we do
I'm pretty sure Sia does this
uh flip on break
you did not break break
break me uh
does she do it on me you did not
yeah did she do it there
I think so there's
cause you have the word break right
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and you're literally breaking on
or right after the word break
I think it's a little awkward to do it on break
you did not break break me
it works but it doesn't
it doesn't to me
it doesn't feel super flowy compared to
if you're doing it on me you didn't not break me
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so there you could you could do
you could do a little break like you were
you were talking about as well
but yeah it's just so funny how
you know you have the word break
and you're literally doing a vocal break
like a vocal crack a vocal flip yeah
a yodel whatever it is you wanna call it yeah
those are all literal vocal cracks
yeah vocal break
whatever it is right
so super cool there's a lot
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a lot of really good stuff happening
uh I want it bad
that part there yeah
you you just got a little afraid of the note you wrote
I did okay hold on
here's the high note coming
I did I wanted it back there you go yeah
see like it's so easy for you
you just got a little bit nervous and yeah
and that happens right
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but like if you don't let it show on your face
no one's gonna know yeah
who's gonna know it's like that one
how would they know you know
it's like that that Instagram or TikTok sound whatever
how would they know no one's gonna know um
I want it back
are you using that b as a really yes
I want I don't know if I did them
(24:31):
but I know consonants are so important
like so important for just like
getting that note across the finish line
so that's what in my head I was like
oh did I hit the B and bad enough but yes yeah yeah
well it's interesting cause you know
I was recording with Emily from our team
your coach um
as well
and she actually told me to soften my consonants
(24:55):
because they're really hard
like pressure launch pad for me
and because I'm a bottom heavy singer
I drag a lot of weight up with me
if I dig too deep into these consonants
then it's want it bad
and it gets jelly rather than want it bad
and yeah
a little softer
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so for me it's exactly the opposite right
haha but and that's what makes vocal training so cool
and so tricky at the same time
yes what works for me is not gonna work for you
and the other way around yeah
so for you it's like you
you need to dig in a little bit more yes
yeah
I do because it just gets me across like launches me
okay yeah
I love it can you do that phrase one more time
I uh
(25:35):
and I wanted it and I wanted it bad yeah
and I wanted it
and yeah
can you try pushing your tongue a little bit more uh
close like on bad
bad a little bit more behind your teeth okay
so it's not retracting yes
my tongue haha
(25:55):
the whole I always
I have a lot of tension up here
and my tongue likes to just go back same
so guess what I was doing in the car ride over here
tongue stretches yes
haha so yeah try one more time
bad bad
and just
focus on pushing that tongue forward a little bit
so it doesn't retract okay
(26:16):
and I want it and I want it bad
yeah yeah
did you hear that how does that feel good yeah
I know I could do better but yeah
no that was so good
I love that I love that before
you know Shakira
uh huh had a little bad
bad bad whatever
whatever I want to be to you yeah I like that
(26:42):
I love Shakira my dad always told me as a kid
growing up that I sound like Shakira and I was like
yeah I love Shakira yeah
now I know oh
that's because of tongue tension or tongue retraction
which is a form of tongue tension
and so you know
whenever I hear a little bit of Shakira undertones
I'm like oh yeah
careful obviously
if it's something that we're doing on purpose
(27:02):
something that we're going for
awesome let's do it yeah
we just wanna make sure that it's a conscious choice
yes
and not something that just happens on just accident
yeah yeah
what about the song is the hardest for you
probably that part that part
okay I think so
can we just go again from the beginning
yeah and now the
(28:30):
yeah yeah
okay that was a super good run through
how did it feel good
yeah definitely better yeah yeah
oh that was super good
heart heart heart
yeah I got thick skin in an elastic
so you're kind of going inward a little bit on heart
okay um
so kind of I compare to like an inverted megaphone
(28:52):
so you're kind of going like inwarded rather than out
uh but I've got thick skin
heart heart compared to heart
do you hear the difference there
can you just try and see if we
have a little bit more of that outward shape on heart
(29:14):
just to see how it changes the tone
maybe we love it maybe we hate it
yeah it's just something else
to try yeah
yeah let's try it
um I've got thick skin and an elastic heart
yeah yeah
can you give me a little bit of a smile on heart
yeah I've got thick skin and an elastic heart heart
(29:36):
just a little bit more smiley okay
just one more time well
I've got thick skin and an elastic heart
how's that feeling yeah
it's a lot easier a lot easier yeah
yeah yeah
ah
ah yeah again
before it was kind of like ho versus huh ho
I'm exaggerating no
no yeah
(29:56):
definitely not that big of a difference yes
but when we go a little more
almost like there's something slightly covering your ho
ho ho ho
it's the kind of the best way I can describe it
if to me it feels like it's covered slightly
yes uh
and so if we just remove that cover
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and we can let it come out just a little bit more yeah
it is usually a little bit easier to get the sound out
but it does change the tone
yeah right
we get a little bit brighter tones in there
um compared to like a darker tone
yes so
you know again
this is where it comes to like the artistic expression
where we have to balance yeah
well which version do I like better sound wise
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and then balance that with well
what feels more sustainable
what feels easier what comes out more effortlessly
especially in a live setting right
if we're in the studio recording oh
it doesn't really matter like
go for whatever sounds
like the sound should be the most important
like obviously the emotional expression yeah
should be the most important thing right
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not necessarily vocal sustainability
but if you have to sing this song live in like
a two hour set or even in a one hour set
you have to like pace yourself
and so maybe there we would want to make the
the uh uh
a little bit brighter so it's easier to sing um
but because no one's gonna notice if it's a huh
or a huh yeah
we'll notice no one no one will notice
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these are just like little details that yeah
are super important they're so important yeah
but again it's in especially in the studio live singing
it's me yeah
but we always have to find the balance
uh just listening wise
do you do you have a preference between the two
the more covered uh or the more brighter
uh I think the brighter yeah
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cause it's just easier
like I always forget to smile like when I sing yeah
it does help like whenever I sing
um heart like a barracuda
I have to like I really had to like get up there yeah
you know you're singing skin but I've got a thick skin
yeah skin and an elastic heart skin heart
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obviously very different vowels
but if you can place your heart right
where you place your skin
cause you're already here right
it's so much easier to have that brighter
smiley tone on e skin and then on heart right
so if you can just kind of stay right there
like don't move too far away from it
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it's gonna make it a lot easier
and I love how you said like yeah
it feels easier but I also like it better yeah
it's usually the case like 99% of the time
maybe 95% of the time
we like the sound that feels easier better yeah
I mean yeah
haha makes sense
haha
and so if you're not feeling good when you're singing
(32:48):
yeah right
just stop then reassess reassess not like stop forever
but yeah reassess and feel like okay
how can I make this feel easier
because you just might
get to a sound that you actually like better too
hi hi oh
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that's like it's at H's why
why Sia haha
it's on the H's yeah yeah
yeah cause I feel like it's easier to do that if it's
there's a consonant like cause it forces you to like
yeah you know
so with H's
a lot of times what happens is we just kind of go
you know cause you're going huh
and that huh
effect is kind of like the Valsalva maneuver
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you know
when you lift something really heavy you go huh yeah
right and then you
you hold your breath
that's kind of what can happen sometimes when we sing
H's like heart and hard
so we don't need to lean into it too hard
but also we don't want to start singing art right
like we gotta hear the H
so we need to find a good balance yeah
good balance there
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so for you I would say for all sounds okay
heart and hard think more wide than down yeah
I know in singing it's always like open your mouth
drop your jaw right
I'm like yeah
that's helpful but not always
sometimes we can definitely over open
and then it creates that hooded effect right
huh so more huh hard hard when you pull too
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but oh a little distortion in it yeah
haha yeah
it was so good that was a nice surprise yeah
haha super cool super cool yeah
I mean these are just like little
little details here and there
but you're obviously
you know a great singer so it's not like well
let's learn how to match pitch
like your pitch was a little off here
your pitch was a little off there
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or something like that like and you know
you have the foundations as well with the chest voice
head voice mixed voice so
we can look at these details that are
gonna make your song come to life
not just the fundamentals
which it's just so much fun
I find it fun I I find it fun too
it's like a puzzle you know cause like yeah
I'm very analytical so it's just
and especially going back and like
(35:08):
listening to like my favorite artist
I like I'm listening and I'm like
oh they did that there
they did that there and so I like
try to like
replicate it and just like play with it and have fun
it's just like it's so much easier to like
know what they're doing and then you do it
and it's like
praise the vocal Jesus yes
no that is so true
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and that is something
that I believe about 90% of singers
completely forget about because a lot of
a lot of us are worried
that we are copying other singers
that we sound too similar to somebody or
you know not that we're doing it right now
but that we might end up doing that
and here's the thing
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any skill that you learn in life not just in singing
but in life is through imitation yeah
how do you learn how to walk
how to talk how to write
you know like when you're learning how to write
you have those
those papers that have like a written out
and then you trace the a you're literally imitating
right and in singing
it's the same thing if you can train your ears
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to hear what other singers are doing
and then try them out in your own voice yep
you're gonna sound so much more musical
so much more dynamic
so much more artistic and not like
oh yeah that's clearly someone who took voice lessons
yeah and Learned how to sing
it's more like ah no
this person was born to sing
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even though you might not feel like
you have a lot of natural talent or
you know you didn't do it from a young age
you got into it later in life
like it doesn't matter those skills can be Learned
but you have to train your ears yes
to hear them yes
it's like singers listen to music
like actors watch movies uh huh right
like the average person just gets to enjoy the movie
(36:51):
an actor list like they they
they analyze a little bit more like oh
I see what and you know continuity here and you know
blah blah blah
like whatever uh
for singers it should be the same thing
we should be able to listen to music
differently than the average person
or the vocal performance yeah
differently than the average person
(37:12):
and I love you so much for bringing that up
you're like you know
I'm listening to other people and I'm imitating
and yeah that's how we learn yes
and that doesn't mean that you're gonna end up sounding
just like Sia
or just like whoever song you're singing
it's then again
where your artistic expression comes in
where you're like I see what Sia did there
I tried it out in my voice
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don't love it I'm gonna change this
and I'm gonna do it a little differently here there
whatever so thank you
yeah I can go on and on and on oh
I know about that I know
especially like with the music side of things
it's a everything's interpolated
it's it's all like any of the top like 10 songs
I bet you can point out every single one of them
(37:54):
actually that has got inspiration from somewhere
and you can hear it like of course yeah
nobody like it's impossible to reinvent the wheel
yeah right
like why would we want to
exactly
like you don't have to create something out of nothing
use your inspirations I always say that
you are a collection of your inspirations
yes it's not like for me
(38:14):
I love Christina Aguilera
loved her as like as a kid like
oh my God yeah obsessed
oh yeah right
and then you know
Jesse J is an amazing vocalist as well
and there's there's so many
but I'm a collection of all those singers
and that makes me unique yes
you know because yeah
I pull from different people
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it's when you start pulling from just one person where
yeah now
maybe you want to consider a career as an impersonator
yes oh
so many good ones out there
oh yes absolutely
I actually just was on a call with a Reba Mcentire
what impersonator
and she's so good and she looks just like her too
shout out to Marie if you're watching
or listening but anyways yeah
(38:58):
super cool was that helpful
yeah give us definitely something to yeah yeah
pull from some inspiration
I mean you sound fantastic doing
thank you yeah
absolutely I love it
give it up for Ashley
oh be are we
so switching gears a little bit
I would love to hear from you
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what's your biggest question around singing music
I mean you know more about labels than I do
you got one haha
I don't but
you know just like in singing and music in general
like what's your biggest question
how do you find authenticity
like how do you
I mean it's
it's something like I mentioned earlier
(39:39):
I've struggled with for a really long time
and it doesn't come easy for everybody
like you have to kind of like dig a lot depending on uh
your background how you grew up
like where you where you live
your family it's just like there's so many things that
that play into that um
and trying to like peel back the layers
it's like okay
is this a layer that feels authentic to me or genuine
(40:00):
you know like yeah
how do we find that in singing
it's uh
I think we've covered we've touched on a lot of it
yeah but
but it's still like there's still more to
to add to it I feel like we talked a lot about like
the technical vocal things um
and your inspirations and things like that
but I would say
the biggest thing for me is letting it happen
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and not necessarily trying to search for it
but more like defining it
so instead of being like ah
like I don't know what my voice sounds like
I need to find my voice it's more like
okay well
I I hear you
but what if instead of just looking for something that
we don't know what we're looking for
like it's like trying to find something in a room
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and you don't know what you're looking for
good luck finding it you're then you're just guessing
is it this is it this
is it this you don't know
so instead or maybe not instead of
but to start out with why not just make a decision
uh huh and be like
okay my sound is vibrato
a little bit of vocal fry
(41:05):
some vocal flips there a little bit of a hood
it sounds somewhere you know
just whatever you want it to be
you just make a choice yeah
and then you stick with it for a little bit
until you're like don't like it anymore yeah
and then you switch it up
I mean look at Taylor Swift
she's had a long career
she sounds very different now
than she did when she started out true
(41:26):
and a lot of times it's like
okay make the decision now
and I'm gonna have to stick with this
for the rest of my life and it makes it
so it puts so much pressure on the decision
where I'm like
just let it evolve you know
like when I
when I first started my vocal training journey
it was all about belting and high notes
it's all I wanted to do
(41:47):
then when I got signed to a manager in Nashville
it was completely different
cause he heard my low notes and he was like
oh my God
your low notes you you you forget about Christina
you know like forget about this belting shit
start doing some low stuff
because you have a really unique
amazing quality down there
let's showcase that and I was like
(42:08):
you gotta be kidding me for the last 10 years
I was so focused on my belt
and my high notes and all that stuff
then why why are we not doing low stuff
but anyways
that's what I what I started doing I was like
oh my God
this is amazing and now I'm still in those low notes
love it but I've removed some of the weight
(42:29):
you know because at that point I was like alright
like we're gonna go like oh haha
like big on these low notes you know
and now I'm like no
actually
I can sing those low notes without all of this weight
attached to it
and so now I'm like somewhere in in between
and you know that was over a span of what eight years
I was in three different completely different spaces
(42:50):
so let let it let it evolve no one's gonna be like
oh well she clearly is doing something like yeah
no haha
so yeah that would be you know
just kind of approaching it from
I'm making it a choice
rather than I'm searching for something
and being open to to change yeah
(43:10):
as well so we can kind of take that pressure off
and as you evolve as a person
so does your voice like change as well
so you know
be open be open there
and ask for feedback would be another thing
you know yes
it's an internal thing
we don't want to start doing things
(43:30):
because somebody else told us
they like this one thing
like in my case right
like with the low notes right
my manager told me low notes awesome
start doing that I'm like okay
I'm gonna start doing that
I wouldn't have done that had that not come from a
an authentic place for me personally
before I started voice lesson
I didn't even know the head voice existed
I could only sing low
and then in my first voice lesson
(43:52):
my voice teacher
told me about the head voice and high notes
and I was like oh my god
became obsessed with it and only did that
and completely forgot about the low stuff yeah
so that was me coming back to my roots right
singing low again was me coming back to my roots
so that felt authentic and so
when you're asking for feedback from other people
(44:13):
they might be able to point out things that
you are maybe not super aware of
that you're already doing
but it's again coming from an authentic place
and you're not just starting to do something that
somebody else told you to do
and you're like alright
but that's what I'm gonna do now
I guess it's a beautiful journey
it is a journey it is a journey
you have to learn to to enjoy the journey
(44:34):
and not just trying to shoot for the destination
because yes that destination
I don't really know where it is
like it's something that keeps changing keeps evolving
yeah as it should yeah
yeah I think yeah
well and you've been working on this
whole authenticity journey for so long
you worked on it with Wendy Parr as well
like you were
you were talking about she's super big into yeah
(44:56):
into that so
what's maybe
one of the things that you have retained from her
or from your own personal experience
maybe for some somewhere else as well
that helps you with this
like on this journey to authenticity
it's a lot yeah
no there's a lot
it's difficult to pick just one thing
it can also be multiple things yeah
no I mean
I think the one thing that kind of kick started my
(45:21):
really like digging into my own authenticity
specifically with Wendy is I had a lot of epiphanies
like during the course of my time with her
and it did become overwhelming at one point
because it was just like too much
you know like when you
when you decide to like
sit down and do introspection and reflect and like
(45:45):
really intentionally
thinking about the things that make you who you are
it can it can be kind of like
oh my God what did I do
what did I what Pandora's box that I just open
and so it really pushed me into spirituality
which is very like I think I fought it my entire life
because I grew up super religious and conservative
(46:07):
and it's like you know
you do that you don't do this and with spirituality
like I really just like clung to it and I was like
this is so cool um
and it helped me discover things about myself that I
was either in denial about
or just like
ignored or you know
didn't realize so I really credit her for that like
(46:28):
yeah it just
it just sparked like a whole thing in me
cause she does approach things from
and almost spiritual like
level with artist development
which I think is so cool
but we also look at things like branding and marketing
and like
all that stuff yeah
like the the business and technical stuff
well how do you then translate it into yes
the business stuff right
exactly into the branding and the marketing exactly
yeah yeah
(46:48):
and I mean but it's so
it makes so much sense like for instance
like we we reviewed um
or like looked at what animals we really identify with
and like things like that
I know and I was like
I'm a turtle yeah
haha I love it
people usually say like I'm a hawk
I'm a lion or what I'm a turtle
I love that
(47:10):
I'm old and wise yes
no I think I just said that because as a 3 year old
I got a huge stuffed turtle like
and it's to this day still my pillow
oh my God like 30 years later almost
it's like it's still yeah
I still use it it's still in my bed
oh wow
and I just love it and yeah
(47:31):
so every time someone asks like
what's your favorite animal or whatever
uh huh anything animal
I'm like turtles
yep turtles
turtles turtles
that's awesome always turtles
that's so and like
but like that's like
that's kind of to my point too though
like
you have to think about what you grew up with and like
what you were drawn to when you were younger
cause that really is very telling
in a lot of situations like what did you
what music did you listen to when you were younger
(47:52):
you know what movies were you into
what characters did you identify with
that kind of stuff it's like the animal thing
she's like take a look
around your house and see if there's like
anything in your house that um
like any animal related things around
around you and I was like
like looking around I'm like
I don't really have much I did have like
you know those little squishables
(48:13):
like they're not are they called squishables
oh I don't know what they're
they're like little
stuffed animals that are really popular right now
and they're really like squishy and like cute
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah squishmallows
I think that's what they're called
oh yeah
yeah yeah yes
um so I have a giant Mantaray one haha
like that's like what and I
I have always identified with a manatee
(48:35):
I don't know why
I love like manatees and otters and swans
I actually have a tattoo of a black swan on my
um on my arm here
and that's my publishing company name is Black Swan
Black Swan yeah
and I have always been drawn to that
and when she pointed that out
I was like holy crap
I was like this is yeah
there's so much more to it than you
(48:56):
there's so much more yeah
and like and she's like okay
take it a step further and like
if you were working on visuals for like an album cover
or like a single cover or something like that
what would you do
based on the animals that you've identified
and it's like oh
I could implement like water
you know yeah
I could do um blues
you know like aquatic colors
(49:17):
yeah like things like the fish eye
you know view
like I it's like yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah
whoa how cool
yeah so real quick for me
cause you were talking about animals and branding
um my artist name
when I made music and release music was Lou Main
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Lou from my nickname Lulu as a kid
and main from a lion's mane
oh wow
and so the my hair was not straight
yeah I have very straight hair
but I was yeah
we reviewed um
(00:01):
or like looked at what animals we really identify with
and like things like that
I know and I was like
I'm a turtle yeah haha
I love it people usually say like
I'm a hawk I'm a a
a lion or what I'm I'm a turtle haha
I love that haha
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let's get started today I have a wonderful
wonderful guest with us here coming from LA
and we are in LA hello
Ashley Kalina not Kalina
yes hello Ashley
how are you doing I'm good
(01:09):
thank you so much for taking the time to be here today
with me and um
chat a little bit more about your experience
and your journey as an artist
you're taking lessons with us here at Box Tape Studios
and that's how we got introduced
so thank you first of all
for trusting us with your voice
uh you've worked with a
couple different coaches on our team already and um
(01:30):
yeah we're just kind of here to chat about your journey
as an artist how you got started
how you got started a little bit
later than what most people would think is normal
whatever that means or
you know they think like
oh it's too late
if I am not already famous by the time I'm 16
yeah whatever
right
then we'll workshop a little bit of a song together
(01:50):
if that's cool with you yeah awesome
tell me a little bit more
or tell us all of us a little bit more about yourself
how you got into music because you have a huge
huge huge background
you were in the army like yeah
oh my God okay
like so
so where does music come in
and you know
tell us a little bit about that
yeah yeah
I mean I
I grew up my my dad's a musician
(02:13):
my whole family is into music
so I I grew up around it
and I did start playing violin and piano
when I was younger
I did a little bit of choir like a lot of people did
and then I just stopped because
you know life kind of got in the way
and like being a musician wasn't seen as like
a viable career path
(02:33):
and I grew up really southern and conservative
and so it was like you know
that typical story but yeah
I got I got
back into music and see after the military
so after I was in the army
um I got out when I was 23
and then I picked up music again when I was about 27
28 I took vocal lessons um
(02:54):
cause I just wanted to get my voice back up to what I
what it used to be and my coach at the time
who's actually a really good friend of mine Kate
um she
I was like oh
cause I wrote poetry and she's like
oh you write poetry and you sing
you should just like write songs
yeah like
oh yeah duh
so that never really crossed your mind before then
(03:15):
no it's not okay cool
yeah so I took a stab at it and I haven't stopped since
wow yeah
that's awesome so
you know previous vocal coach
good friend yes
inspired you to to start writing songs
and now since then you've
you've created kind of a bunch of artist projects
if you wanna maybe call it that
(03:36):
so you have your solo project
then you have a project with a friend
and then you have a production company
so tell us a little bit more how that all got evolved
you know yeah
I mean it's
it's all part of like the artist journey right
like
you realize that you wanna write music and you're like
okay what do I do with that
like there's
either you go the songwriting route or the artist
(03:57):
route or both um
and so I really tried
for the longest time to go the artist route
and I still do but along the way
I found like other things that I like to do
and other people that I connect with and uh
it's been a really incredible journey but I
I have multiple artist projects solo artist projects
I have my group project with my um
(04:19):
friend and like production and writing assistant
my friend Justin um
and then I also co own a label with him as well
and so we do artist development
I I found out that I love artist development
and I love
like helping other artists figure out who they are
and I try to approach it from a holistic
(04:40):
like spiritual level which is like
kind of how I found myself
through music and through art
I had a lot of really great coaches along the way
um like Wendy Parr and Judy Stacey
yeah yeah
oh my god I've met her oh two years ago in the summer
it'll be two years oh my god
time flies yeah
she's so cool she is
she's so fun yeah
(05:01):
yeah so you
you were working with her at 1.2
yes yeah
so I've done a lot of that
I've gone to writing camps
I've you know vocal camps
I've done it all the combination of all of that is
kind of LED me to where I am wow
I mean you've kind of done it all yeah
I try yeah
and you know I feel like a lot of times
singers or just creative people in general
(05:21):
we wanna do so many different kinds of things
but then the world tells us
you have to stick in one lane
if you want to be successful
at what like
it's better to focus on one thing
and be really successful at that
than dabble in everything
and it's just like I mean
I get it but also like you
you have to do what fills your cup
and what feels your soul yes
and if that is multiple different things
(05:44):
then go ahead and explore those things
cause otherwise it gets a little dry
yeah for the soul
it does yeah
it does I always struggle with that too
and you know for me it's like okay
hold on
I I'm juggling business brain and and creative brain
right cause you know
singing and vocal coaching
and all of that is very creative
but then also I'm running the business too haha
(06:06):
yep so it's like
oh my gosh I gotta juggle both
and with you now that you have a label
I'm sure there's quite a bit of business
involved in that as well yeah
I've been fighting it haha
yeah haha
my friends like he he understands all the contracts
cause he's been doing this for a while
and we do a lot of like sync stuff as well
so we have to have those contracts and it's just
(06:28):
it's a lot
and so I have to make it a point to kind of sit down
like once a week and
and kind of go over the business stuff
I I don't like it
haha I just wanna be creative
yeah that's all I wanna do
and just like live and like the clouds haha
yeah I don't blame you
I think a lot of us can relate to that
yeah haha yeah
(06:48):
tell me a little bit more about why you
decided to enroll in voice lessons again
because you you initially after the army
there was like a three year gap and then you uh
you decided to take some voice lessons with your friend
Kate um
and then I don't know how much time there was between
when you then started with us
what made you wanna get back into it
(07:09):
or did you even take a break
I don't know maybe it was
I definitely did I took a
I took a big break um
cause it's that it's that whole like
back and forth of like
being an artist and like finding your sound
and like oh
that's not my sound
and you'd like take a step back and be like okay
what am I doing like yeah
what am I doing haha
yeah that kind of stuff
it's always like the self doubt
um so I struggle with that
(07:30):
everyone struggles with that if they
don't then they're like superhuman or something
but um
yeah I have and I'm still doing this
I'm still working on my sound
and like what that is because um
because when I was younger
I didn't have that opportunity to do so
a lot of younger
like children and like teenagers and stuff
(07:51):
they're in that like great part of their lives
where they're not confined by society or like ideas
you know
like what they should be and what they shouldn't be
and so I know like a lot of kids and teens
like have the opportunity to find their voice then
and I did not just because of like how I grew up
and I know a lot of people are the same way
(08:13):
but I have been really working on the past
like
5 years to find my authenticity and find out who I am
and that is what kind of carries artistry to me
it's like finding that thing that makes you
you and yeah
as it translates into vocals and it's finding out
(08:34):
you know like what is my sound like yeah
I grew up singing like Britney Spears and like
all these all these like pop stars haha
um and yeah
I can do I
I I can do it Britney
but I
I wanna like figure out like is vocal fry natural to me
you know like what embellishments
you know come out
I have a vibrato that I really
really like things like that
(08:55):
and
trying to marry that with the sound that I am feeling
right now it's just like
it's a process it is a process yeah
yeah I
I love how you're approaching it from
the complete opposite angle
then a lot of other singers are approaching it
(09:16):
so this podcast is called from singer to artist
uh huh and
you know I'll ask you at the end what that means to you
haha little spoiler
you can already think of your answer
yeah for me
I was definitely a singer first where I was like
I wanna hit these notes perfectly and
you know do all these crazy vocal things with my voice
and belt my face off and blah blah
(09:37):
blah blah blah right
it sounds like to me from what you're saying is
you're approaching it so much more from an artistic
standpoint where you're like
this is how I want to like
I want to express myself this way
how can I make that energy match
like how can I make my vocal energy match
my expressive energy my artistic energy
(09:59):
and so that's super cool that's super cool
it's unfortunately
something I did not understand
until I went to acting school after
after high school
maybe it's because I didn't grow up speaking English
what yeah
so I I grew up speaking German
oh cool
and so I was singing songs in English cause
you know I heard Beyonce and Christina Aguilera on
(10:21):
the radio and I was like yeah
that's exactly what I wanna do
hence the big belt stuff and
you know big notes and crazy vocal things in general
super difficult to do so I wanted to do exactly that
and I didn't necessarily understand
what I was singing about nor did I care
hmm for me
it was about the vocal performance
yeah I just wanted to sound good
(10:41):
and so you know
just a little tiny Laura had a lot to learn
haha
and acting school definitely helped with that a lot
so it's just very interesting for me to see how
for you it's actually completely the opposite
so now you're focusing vocally
yes on how can I make that match
(11:02):
yes kind of line up perfectly and not
this is what I'm trying to do
but my voice can't or doesn't want to
or it's not coming out exactly the way I wanted to
yeah I
I kind of call this having options
in your vocal training yeah
where we wanna work on the technical aspect of singing
so that we have different options
to sing the same notes in different ways
(11:24):
yeah and then it's your artistic choice
yes to pick how you want to sing
uh huh each note yeah
has there been a little bit of a
of a breakthrough for you
or maybe a surprise for you
since you started working with us
it's been like yeah
I don't know nine months
almost I think so yeah
yeah it's been a while
yeah so anything that stood out to you
(11:44):
yeah I mean
there's definitely been
I was just talking to Emily about this the other day
um
there's moments where I've noticed like a significant
like improvement and recently
maybe like the past month or so
cause I had to take a step back for a little while
because of like
life and holidays and all that
so I kind of had a long vocal rest
(12:05):
yeah we all get those
trust me
yeah um
but when I came back and since we've been
you know consistently working um
my voice is like
I feel like it's becoming more effortless
and that
the techniques that I was using prior to vocal lessons
it was like the untrained
(12:25):
like not technical at all
it was just kind of what I felt um
those kind of habits are going away
so I'm starting to
be able to access my mixed voice a lot easier
where like I have I have a decent mixed voice
but it was always I struggled to get there because
you know starting chest
starting head whatever
but now I can just start with mix and it's just
(12:48):
it's so nice to actually know what I'm doing
yeah cause like you said
like you
you find out the techniques and then you can like pick
yeah based on your artistic expression
um and so I'm just been understanding all
of it and I definitely Learned more from it
from a technical perspective
so it's like um
I do something and then Emily will tell me oh
(13:08):
you did that like that's what that sounds like
and then I remember in my head I'm like oh
this is what I did to make it sound like that
and so I I remember it for next time and I'm like
that's that's great um yeah
it's there's been
just a huge improvement overall with my voice
yeah that's so great
I'm so glad to hear that and uh
just picking up on one thing that you mentioned
(13:30):
I feel like a lot of artists out there you know
especially you know
singers who are more in rock music or you know
like indie style
just like more alternative if you wanna call it that
whatever that means right
um they're afraid to take voice lessons
because they think that their singing is gonna lose
(13:52):
you know their
their special thing
and that they're gonna sound too perfect
and do you have that fear at all with your
with your singing lessons
that it's gonna be like
too perfect at the end of the day or no
no I don't think that at all because I think I mean
especially rock singers and like alternative singers
I feel the ones that have worked on their voice
(14:15):
they are so technical
even though you can't even tell like
how technical they are that's
how good at it exactly yes
yeah so I'm a huge believer in that
like I don't think I've ever once listened to anybody
singing pop music you know
at Top 40 whatever
that sounded too technical to me
(14:35):
you know it always sounds like so natural and um
I mean very practiced
yes because you have to
like you have
it's a muscle you have to train your voice to
do what you want it to do um
and then have the stamina as well
like if you're touring or recording all the time
you gotta have that um
so no I mean I
I did I did have a fear at the beginning um
(14:56):
I was like oh
am I gonna lose part of me
you know like
am I gonna be
just thinking about all the technical things
all the time
that I'm just gonna forget about emotional expression
and I
I know I always have to work on emotional expression
but I mean it's not
it just makes everything easier
yeah yeah
that's the goal with vocal training right
so
that you can do whatever it is that your heart desires
(15:18):
that your creative brain desires um
and your vocal skills
are not gonna be the thing that's holding you back
from actually executing it
yep right
and you know
it's like mom giving you advice
and you don't wanna listen
just because it's mom giving you advice
yes so
you know whenever I say like
that's not what's gonna happen
people don't listen cause I'm a vocal coach
of course I'm gonna say that
(15:39):
but if it comes from someone like you haha yeah
people might listen a little bit more
so thanks for for sharing your input there
but I'd love to do a little singing with you if you're
if you're up for it yeah
do we wanna do a quick call and response vocal warm up
or do you want to dig right it okay yeah
so with a little call and response warm up is basically
which is snap on 2 and 4 and I do a little something
(16:02):
and you just repeat after me okay
yeah so 1
two three four
(17:03):
nice
that was very good
awesome how's your voice feeling good
I mean that was super quick right
it's just kind of like okay
how's how's the voice we didn't go super low
we explored some of the higher notes
most of it in the mid range
because that's usually where most songs live
so are you feeling good let's just jump into it
let's jump in okay
(17:24):
let's do it I've been working on um
a lot of Sia lately okay
yeah I do love Sia
I know I always pick oh my God
with Emily I always pick
I'm like let's do Sia
let's do Bishop Briggs let's do like heart
you know let's do like all of these just like crazy
yeah singers and I'm like I
I I torture myself
(17:45):
haha apparently
like that's some hard stuff to sing
but yeah you know
that's that's how you grow
that's how you get better when you challenge yourself
if you're constantly living in your comfort zone
in your sweet spot in your prima voce
as I like to call it too we want the majority
of what we do to live in that space
because that's our strengths right
that's how we can showcase what we do really well
(18:06):
because we all have strengths and challenges
in our singing yes
but if we never go outside of it
then it's difficult to
you know further improve and work on
work on your singing cause
you know growth happens outside of your comfort zone
all right
it's me to jump into it yeah
it's gonna be a little yeah
(18:26):
I always like get nervous when I sing
I'm like definitely one of those people that
even though I'm an artist and I do all this stuff
I prefer to like hide in the shadows
yeah yeah
I I think that's a lot of singers feel that way um
you know whether you're doing it for a hobby
or you wanna do it professionally
especially like once you get up on stage
it's like huh huh
(18:47):
yeah yeah
hold on but that gets better with practice yes
do you perform live at all
I do yeah
I do um
I think it's like it's definitely a stage fright
and then once I get up there
I'm like fine you know
after I get past like the first 30 seconds
I'm like oh yeah
I know exactly yeah
the first 30 seconds are the worst yeah
and then you have the time of your life yep
it's just the leading up to it
and it's the same thing here
(19:08):
and it's something
I tell people in their first singing lesson
with us too
it's like hey
we just gotta get through your cut once
and then you're good yes right
we just gotta get through that
and then it's gonna be just fine
so same thing here
we just gotta sing the first couple of phrases
and then you're good okay
okay okay
oh okay and
(20:37):
yeah yeah
so cool oh
I love how you saying that that first
I've got an elastic heart
elastic heart like you you switched uh
a little bit into like just a really nice mix like
like a 50 50 mix up there
so it doesn't feel like
you know it didn't yeah
not like yelling yeah yeah
(20:59):
nothing like went squeezy on you
but it also wasn't elastic
like a clear switch and ratchet like oh
that was so perfect haha
so good how did it feel
good I was a little uh
in my head on some of it but like
that's always like that
with the first like couple passes
I'm like I'm like
oh yeah and then I do it and yeah
(21:19):
oh yeah I remember how to do this
but yeah oh yeah
of course of course yeah
uh you have been working on the song with Emily
in the past so yeah
what were some of the things that you guys have
talked about so far
yeah okay
so it's um really
cause we've been working on um
emotion with stuff
and I picked this song because I feel like I'm
I really relate to it right now
(21:41):
just like in the specific part of my life
um and so it's just
it's easier for me to tap into that emotion and like
actually be in the moment and feel the song
um so that's
that's why I chose it and also because it's
it's very technical and see yeah
yes yes yeah
um a little ambitious
but um yeah
some of the things we worked on
it was accessing that emotion
(22:03):
um
really going through kind of line by line
and figuring out what it means to me
and what sounds best
I know that's like kind of simple but um
you know starting the song off in mixed voice
versus starting it in like
head or like you know
chest or whatever yeah
and and we
(22:23):
we found that like
me kind of using mix as my base for the song
and then kind of going into chest and head
when I need to is the best approach for it
so we we just like we did that
um we worked on some vocal flips
so like um
you did not break me I know I didn't do very well there
but that part yeah
(22:44):
um working on vocal flips
uh what else do we do
I'm pretty sure Sia does this
uh flip on break
you did not break break
break me uh
does she do it on me you did not
yeah did she do it there
I think so there's
cause you have the word break right
(23:05):
and you're literally breaking on
or right after the word break
I think it's a little awkward to do it on break
you did not break break me
it works but it doesn't
it doesn't to me
it doesn't feel super flowy compared to
if you're doing it on me you didn't not break me
(23:27):
so there you could you could do
you could do a little break like you were
you were talking about as well
but yeah it's just so funny how
you know you have the word break
and you're literally doing a vocal break
like a vocal crack a vocal flip yeah
a yodel whatever it is you wanna call it yeah
those are all literal vocal cracks
yeah vocal break
whatever it is right
so super cool there's a lot
(23:49):
a lot of really good stuff happening
uh I want it bad
that part there yeah
you you just got a little afraid of the note you wrote
I did okay hold on
here's the high note coming
I did I wanted it back there you go yeah
see like it's so easy for you
you just got a little bit nervous and yeah
and that happens right
(24:09):
but like if you don't let it show on your face
no one's gonna know yeah
who's gonna know it's like that one
how would they know you know
it's like that that Instagram or TikTok sound whatever
how would they know no one's gonna know um
I want it back
are you using that b as a really yes
I want I don't know if I did them
(24:31):
but I know consonants are so important
like so important for just like
getting that note across the finish line
so that's what in my head I was like
oh did I hit the B and bad enough but yes yeah yeah
well it's interesting cause you know
I was recording with Emily from our team
your coach um
as well
and she actually told me to soften my consonants
(24:55):
because they're really hard
like pressure launch pad for me
and because I'm a bottom heavy singer
I drag a lot of weight up with me
if I dig too deep into these consonants
then it's want it bad
and it gets jelly rather than want it bad
and yeah
a little softer
(25:15):
so for me it's exactly the opposite right
haha but and that's what makes vocal training so cool
and so tricky at the same time
yes what works for me is not gonna work for you
and the other way around yeah
so for you it's like you
you need to dig in a little bit more yes
yeah
I do because it just gets me across like launches me
okay yeah
I love it can you do that phrase one more time
I uh
(25:35):
and I wanted it and I wanted it bad yeah
and I wanted it
and yeah
can you try pushing your tongue a little bit more uh
close like on bad
bad a little bit more behind your teeth okay
so it's not retracting yes
my tongue haha
(25:55):
the whole I always
I have a lot of tension up here
and my tongue likes to just go back same
so guess what I was doing in the car ride over here
tongue stretches yes
haha so yeah try one more time
bad bad
and just
focus on pushing that tongue forward a little bit
so it doesn't retract okay
(26:16):
and I want it and I want it bad
yeah yeah
did you hear that how does that feel good yeah
I know I could do better but yeah
no that was so good
I love that I love that before
you know Shakira
uh huh had a little bad
bad bad whatever
whatever I want to be to you yeah I like that
(26:42):
I love Shakira my dad always told me as a kid
growing up that I sound like Shakira and I was like
yeah I love Shakira yeah
now I know oh
that's because of tongue tension or tongue retraction
which is a form of tongue tension
and so you know
whenever I hear a little bit of Shakira undertones
I'm like oh yeah
careful obviously
if it's something that we're doing on purpose
(27:02):
something that we're going for
awesome let's do it yeah
we just wanna make sure that it's a conscious choice
yes
and not something that just happens on just accident
yeah yeah
what about the song is the hardest for you
probably that part that part
okay I think so
can we just go again from the beginning
yeah and now the
(28:30):
yeah yeah
okay that was a super good run through
how did it feel good
yeah definitely better yeah yeah
oh that was super good
heart heart heart
yeah I got thick skin in an elastic
so you're kind of going inward a little bit on heart
okay um
so kind of I compare to like an inverted megaphone
(28:52):
so you're kind of going like inwarded rather than out
uh but I've got thick skin
heart heart compared to heart
do you hear the difference there
can you just try and see if we
have a little bit more of that outward shape on heart
(29:14):
just to see how it changes the tone
maybe we love it maybe we hate it
yeah it's just something else
to try yeah
yeah let's try it
um I've got thick skin and an elastic heart
yeah yeah
can you give me a little bit of a smile on heart
yeah I've got thick skin and an elastic heart heart
(29:36):
just a little bit more smiley okay
just one more time well
I've got thick skin and an elastic heart
how's that feeling yeah
it's a lot easier a lot easier yeah
yeah yeah
ah
ah yeah again
before it was kind of like ho versus huh ho
I'm exaggerating no
no yeah
(29:56):
definitely not that big of a difference yes
but when we go a little more
almost like there's something slightly covering your ho
ho ho ho
it's the kind of the best way I can describe it
if to me it feels like it's covered slightly
yes uh
and so if we just remove that cover
(30:16):
and we can let it come out just a little bit more yeah
it is usually a little bit easier to get the sound out
but it does change the tone
yeah right
we get a little bit brighter tones in there
um compared to like a darker tone
yes so
you know again
this is where it comes to like the artistic expression
where we have to balance yeah
well which version do I like better sound wise
(30:40):
and then balance that with well
what feels more sustainable
what feels easier what comes out more effortlessly
especially in a live setting right
if we're in the studio recording oh
it doesn't really matter like
go for whatever sounds
like the sound should be the most important
like obviously the emotional expression yeah
should be the most important thing right
(31:01):
not necessarily vocal sustainability
but if you have to sing this song live in like
a two hour set or even in a one hour set
you have to like pace yourself
and so maybe there we would want to make the
the uh uh
a little bit brighter so it's easier to sing um
but because no one's gonna notice if it's a huh
or a huh yeah
we'll notice no one no one will notice
(31:23):
these are just like little details that yeah
are super important they're so important yeah
but again it's in especially in the studio live singing
it's me yeah
but we always have to find the balance
uh just listening wise
do you do you have a preference between the two
the more covered uh or the more brighter
uh I think the brighter yeah
(31:43):
cause it's just easier
like I always forget to smile like when I sing yeah
it does help like whenever I sing
um heart like a barracuda
I have to like I really had to like get up there yeah
you know you're singing skin but I've got a thick skin
yeah skin and an elastic heart skin heart
(32:04):
obviously very different vowels
but if you can place your heart right
where you place your skin
cause you're already here right
it's so much easier to have that brighter
smiley tone on e skin and then on heart right
so if you can just kind of stay right there
like don't move too far away from it
(32:26):
it's gonna make it a lot easier
and I love how you said like yeah
it feels easier but I also like it better yeah
it's usually the case like 99% of the time
maybe 95% of the time
we like the sound that feels easier better yeah
I mean yeah
haha makes sense
haha
and so if you're not feeling good when you're singing
(32:48):
yeah right
just stop then reassess reassess not like stop forever
but yeah reassess and feel like okay
how can I make this feel easier
because you just might
get to a sound that you actually like better too
hi hi oh
(33:09):
that's like it's at H's why
why Sia haha
it's on the H's yeah yeah
yeah cause I feel like it's easier to do that if it's
there's a consonant like cause it forces you to like
yeah you know
so with H's
a lot of times what happens is we just kind of go
you know cause you're going huh
and that huh
effect is kind of like the Valsalva maneuver
(33:31):
you know
when you lift something really heavy you go huh yeah
right and then you
you hold your breath
that's kind of what can happen sometimes when we sing
H's like heart and hard
so we don't need to lean into it too hard
but also we don't want to start singing art right
like we gotta hear the H
so we need to find a good balance yeah
good balance there
(33:51):
so for you I would say for all sounds okay
heart and hard think more wide than down yeah
I know in singing it's always like open your mouth
drop your jaw right
I'm like yeah
that's helpful but not always
sometimes we can definitely over open
and then it creates that hooded effect right
huh so more huh hard hard when you pull too
(34:26):
but oh a little distortion in it yeah
haha yeah
it was so good that was a nice surprise yeah
haha super cool super cool yeah
I mean these are just like little
little details here and there
but you're obviously
you know a great singer so it's not like well
let's learn how to match pitch
like your pitch was a little off here
your pitch was a little off there
(34:46):
or something like that like and you know
you have the foundations as well with the chest voice
head voice mixed voice so
we can look at these details that are
gonna make your song come to life
not just the fundamentals
which it's just so much fun
I find it fun I I find it fun too
it's like a puzzle you know cause like yeah
I'm very analytical so it's just
and especially going back and like
(35:08):
listening to like my favorite artist
I like I'm listening and I'm like
oh they did that there
they did that there and so I like
try to like
replicate it and just like play with it and have fun
it's just like it's so much easier to like
know what they're doing and then you do it
and it's like
praise the vocal Jesus yes
no that is so true
(35:28):
and that is something
that I believe about 90% of singers
completely forget about because a lot of
a lot of us are worried
that we are copying other singers
that we sound too similar to somebody or
you know not that we're doing it right now
but that we might end up doing that
and here's the thing
(35:48):
any skill that you learn in life not just in singing
but in life is through imitation yeah
how do you learn how to walk
how to talk how to write
you know like when you're learning how to write
you have those
those papers that have like a written out
and then you trace the a you're literally imitating
right and in singing
it's the same thing if you can train your ears
(36:10):
to hear what other singers are doing
and then try them out in your own voice yep
you're gonna sound so much more musical
so much more dynamic
so much more artistic and not like
oh yeah that's clearly someone who took voice lessons
yeah and Learned how to sing
it's more like ah no
this person was born to sing
(36:31):
even though you might not feel like
you have a lot of natural talent or
you know you didn't do it from a young age
you got into it later in life
like it doesn't matter those skills can be Learned
but you have to train your ears yes
to hear them yes
it's like singers listen to music
like actors watch movies uh huh right
like the average person just gets to enjoy the movie
(36:51):
an actor list like they they
they analyze a little bit more like oh
I see what and you know continuity here and you know
blah blah blah
like whatever uh
for singers it should be the same thing
we should be able to listen to music
differently than the average person
or the vocal performance yeah
differently than the average person
(37:12):
and I love you so much for bringing that up
you're like you know
I'm listening to other people and I'm imitating
and yeah that's how we learn yes
and that doesn't mean that you're gonna end up sounding
just like Sia
or just like whoever song you're singing
it's then again
where your artistic expression comes in
where you're like I see what Sia did there
I tried it out in my voice
(37:34):
don't love it I'm gonna change this
and I'm gonna do it a little differently here there
whatever so thank you
yeah I can go on and on and on oh
I know about that I know
especially like with the music side of things
it's a everything's interpolated
it's it's all like any of the top like 10 songs
I bet you can point out every single one of them
(37:54):
actually that has got inspiration from somewhere
and you can hear it like of course yeah
nobody like it's impossible to reinvent the wheel
yeah right
like why would we want to
exactly
like you don't have to create something out of nothing
use your inspirations I always say that
you are a collection of your inspirations
yes it's not like for me
(38:14):
I love Christina Aguilera
loved her as like as a kid like
oh my God yeah obsessed
oh yeah right
and then you know
Jesse J is an amazing vocalist as well
and there's there's so many
but I'm a collection of all those singers
and that makes me unique yes
you know because yeah
I pull from different people
(38:35):
it's when you start pulling from just one person where
yeah now
maybe you want to consider a career as an impersonator
yes oh
so many good ones out there
oh yes absolutely
I actually just was on a call with a Reba Mcentire
what impersonator
and she's so good and she looks just like her too
shout out to Marie if you're watching
or listening but anyways yeah
(38:58):
super cool was that helpful
yeah give us definitely something to yeah yeah
pull from some inspiration
I mean you sound fantastic doing
thank you yeah
absolutely I love it
give it up for Ashley
oh be are we
so switching gears a little bit
I would love to hear from you
(39:18):
what's your biggest question around singing music
I mean you know more about labels than I do
you got one haha
I don't but
you know just like in singing and music in general
like what's your biggest question
how do you find authenticity
like how do you
I mean it's
it's something like I mentioned earlier
(39:39):
I've struggled with for a really long time
and it doesn't come easy for everybody
like you have to kind of like dig a lot depending on uh
your background how you grew up
like where you where you live
your family it's just like there's so many things that
that play into that um
and trying to like peel back the layers
it's like okay
is this a layer that feels authentic to me or genuine
(40:00):
you know like yeah
how do we find that in singing
it's uh
I think we've covered we've touched on a lot of it
yeah but
but it's still like there's still more to
to add to it I feel like we talked a lot about like
the technical vocal things um
and your inspirations and things like that
but I would say
the biggest thing for me is letting it happen
(40:23):
and not necessarily trying to search for it
but more like defining it
so instead of being like ah
like I don't know what my voice sounds like
I need to find my voice it's more like
okay well
I I hear you
but what if instead of just looking for something that
we don't know what we're looking for
like it's like trying to find something in a room
(40:45):
and you don't know what you're looking for
good luck finding it you're then you're just guessing
is it this is it this
is it this you don't know
so instead or maybe not instead of
but to start out with why not just make a decision
uh huh and be like
okay my sound is vibrato
a little bit of vocal fry
(41:05):
some vocal flips there a little bit of a hood
it sounds somewhere you know
just whatever you want it to be
you just make a choice yeah
and then you stick with it for a little bit
until you're like don't like it anymore yeah
and then you switch it up
I mean look at Taylor Swift
she's had a long career
she sounds very different now
than she did when she started out true
(41:26):
and a lot of times it's like
okay make the decision now
and I'm gonna have to stick with this
for the rest of my life and it makes it
so it puts so much pressure on the decision
where I'm like
just let it evolve you know
like when I
when I first started my vocal training journey
it was all about belting and high notes
it's all I wanted to do
(41:47):
then when I got signed to a manager in Nashville
it was completely different
cause he heard my low notes and he was like
oh my God
your low notes you you you forget about Christina
you know like forget about this belting shit
start doing some low stuff
because you have a really unique
amazing quality down there
let's showcase that and I was like
(42:08):
you gotta be kidding me for the last 10 years
I was so focused on my belt
and my high notes and all that stuff
then why why are we not doing low stuff
but anyways
that's what I what I started doing I was like
oh my God
this is amazing and now I'm still in those low notes
love it but I've removed some of the weight
(42:29):
you know because at that point I was like alright
like we're gonna go like oh haha
like big on these low notes you know
and now I'm like no
actually
I can sing those low notes without all of this weight
attached to it
and so now I'm like somewhere in in between
and you know that was over a span of what eight years
I was in three different completely different spaces
(42:50):
so let let it let it evolve no one's gonna be like
oh well she clearly is doing something like yeah
no haha
so yeah that would be you know
just kind of approaching it from
I'm making it a choice
rather than I'm searching for something
and being open to to change yeah
(43:10):
as well so we can kind of take that pressure off
and as you evolve as a person
so does your voice like change as well
so you know
be open be open there
and ask for feedback would be another thing
you know yes
it's an internal thing
we don't want to start doing things
(43:30):
because somebody else told us
they like this one thing
like in my case right
like with the low notes right
my manager told me low notes awesome
start doing that I'm like okay
I'm gonna start doing that
I wouldn't have done that had that not come from a
an authentic place for me personally
before I started voice lesson
I didn't even know the head voice existed
I could only sing low
and then in my first voice lesson
(43:52):
my voice teacher
told me about the head voice and high notes
and I was like oh my god
became obsessed with it and only did that
and completely forgot about the low stuff yeah
so that was me coming back to my roots right
singing low again was me coming back to my roots
so that felt authentic and so
when you're asking for feedback from other people
(44:13):
they might be able to point out things that
you are maybe not super aware of
that you're already doing
but it's again coming from an authentic place
and you're not just starting to do something that
somebody else told you to do
and you're like alright
but that's what I'm gonna do now
I guess it's a beautiful journey
it is a journey it is a journey
you have to learn to to enjoy the journey
(44:34):
and not just trying to shoot for the destination
because yes that destination
I don't really know where it is
like it's something that keeps changing keeps evolving
yeah as it should yeah
yeah I think yeah
well and you've been working on this
whole authenticity journey for so long
you worked on it with Wendy Parr as well
like you were
you were talking about she's super big into yeah
(44:56):
into that so
what's maybe
one of the things that you have retained from her
or from your own personal experience
maybe for some somewhere else as well
that helps you with this
like on this journey to authenticity
it's a lot yeah
no there's a lot
it's difficult to pick just one thing
it can also be multiple things yeah
no I mean
I think the one thing that kind of kick started my
(45:21):
really like digging into my own authenticity
specifically with Wendy is I had a lot of epiphanies
like during the course of my time with her
and it did become overwhelming at one point
because it was just like too much
you know like when you
when you decide to like
sit down and do introspection and reflect and like
(45:45):
really intentionally
thinking about the things that make you who you are
it can it can be kind of like
oh my God what did I do
what did I what Pandora's box that I just open
and so it really pushed me into spirituality
which is very like I think I fought it my entire life
because I grew up super religious and conservative
(46:07):
and it's like you know
you do that you don't do this and with spirituality
like I really just like clung to it and I was like
this is so cool um
and it helped me discover things about myself that I
was either in denial about
or just like
ignored or you know
didn't realize so I really credit her for that like
(46:28):
yeah it just
it just sparked like a whole thing in me
cause she does approach things from
and almost spiritual like
level with artist development
which I think is so cool
but we also look at things like branding and marketing
and like
all that stuff yeah
like the the business and technical stuff
well how do you then translate it into yes
the business stuff right
exactly into the branding and the marketing exactly
yeah yeah
(46:48):
and I mean but it's so
it makes so much sense like for instance
like we we reviewed um
or like looked at what animals we really identify with
and like things like that
I know and I was like
I'm a turtle yeah
haha I love it
people usually say like I'm a hawk
I'm a lion or what I'm a turtle
I love that
(47:10):
I'm old and wise yes
no I think I just said that because as a 3 year old
I got a huge stuffed turtle like
and it's to this day still my pillow
oh my God like 30 years later almost
it's like it's still yeah
I still use it it's still in my bed
oh wow
and I just love it and yeah
(47:31):
so every time someone asks like
what's your favorite animal or whatever
uh huh anything animal
I'm like turtles
yep turtles
turtles turtles
that's awesome always turtles
that's so and like
but like that's like
that's kind of to my point too though
like
you have to think about what you grew up with and like
what you were drawn to when you were younger
cause that really is very telling
in a lot of situations like what did you
what music did you listen to when you were younger
(47:52):
you know what movies were you into
what characters did you identify with
that kind of stuff it's like the animal thing
she's like take a look
around your house and see if there's like
anything in your house that um
like any animal related things around
around you and I was like
like looking around I'm like
I don't really have much I did have like
you know those little squishables
(48:13):
like they're not are they called squishables
oh I don't know what they're
they're like little
stuffed animals that are really popular right now
and they're really like squishy and like cute
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah squishmallows
I think that's what they're called
oh yeah
yeah yeah yes
um so I have a giant Mantaray one haha
like that's like what and I
I have always identified with a manatee
(48:35):
I don't know why
I love like manatees and otters and swans
I actually have a tattoo of a black swan on my
um on my arm here
and that's my publishing company name is Black Swan
Black Swan yeah
and I have always been drawn to that
and when she pointed that out
I was like holy crap
I was like this is yeah
there's so much more to it than you
(48:56):
there's so much more yeah
and like and she's like okay
take it a step further and like
if you were working on visuals for like an album cover
or like a single cover or something like that
what would you do
based on the animals that you've identified
and it's like oh
I could implement like water
you know yeah
I could do um blues
you know like aquatic colors
(49:17):
yeah like things like the fish eye
you know view
like I it's like yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah
whoa how cool
yeah so real quick for me
cause you were talking about animals and branding
um my artist name
when I made music and release music was Lou Main
(49:38):
Lou from my nickname Lulu as a kid
and main from a lion's mane
oh wow
and so the my hair was not straight
yeah I have very straight hair
but I was yeah
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