May 5, 2025 • 47 mins
Coach Emily and I talk about one of the most controversial topics out there: Is singing a natural talent, or can anyone learn to sing with the right training?
We also look at clips of professional artists doing vocal exercises to prove that even the best voices in the world still practice. Whether you’re just starting out or doubting your abilities, this episode is full of honest insight and encouragement to keep growing—no matter where you’re starting from.
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you can be born with being 60% of the way there yeah
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like you're at you're like 25
26 you're at your peak lung capacity
your voice is fully developed all those things
you're already there and then someone can be 45
their voice is changing
everything's changing and start from matching pitch
start from stringing together notes and not just going
make you feel my love yeah
(00:25):
taking that to make you feel my love
you know yeah
but if that person practices
and sixty percent over here doesn't practice
then this person's gonna get to 50
and this person's gonna stay at 60
uh huh and then this person's gonna get to 55
and this person's gonna stay at sixty
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at Vox Save Studios
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let's get started with me I have the beautiful Emily
hello thank you for being here
your wonderful coach at Vox Safe Studios
I'm super excited to have a chat with you today about
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oh my goodness is singing a natural talent
can it be Learned how much of it can be Learned
cause you know there's some people that are like
you know
you have to have natural talent to get the really
really good level
so let's talk about that and then we'll
we're also gonna look at some examples
of some of the biggest stars out there
who are doing vocal exercises
and we'll discuss what are these exercises for and um
(01:55):
or we think there are for because you know
there's a million exercises out there
and they all have different purposes
and sometimes the same exercise can have
multiple purposes so
we'll just look at some videos to show you that
even the biggest stars
need to practice their singing um anyways
so let's get started with is singing a natural talent
(02:17):
can it be Learned
what do you think about this
okay this is like one of my favorite questions ever
because I feel like in media or just in
I don't know big discourse uh
there's a lot of like
this person can't sing and this person can
or we like
talk about the idea of people being tone deaf
(02:37):
and being tone deaf is a real thing
but typically
those people don't actually like listening to music
it's not okay okay
I can't match pitch a that means I'm tone deaf um
from my experience I
I think that anyone can learn to sing
I also think that a gen biologically
some things are gonna be easier
for some people to say that way
(02:59):
that like some people are Olympians
and some people are also really good at tennis
you know yeah
absolutely well
that's a really great question um
or like a point that you're bringing up
like some people are Olympians
and some people are just really good at playing tennis
or whatever the sport is yeah
now can someone with a lot of practice
could they be eventually become Olympians
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yeah if we're talking about singing I think 100% uh
it your
your life experiences I think also shape your voice
like I yeah
I talk about all the time with students how like
belting is really easy for me
high belting because I'm from a big Italian family
and I'm always like talking
we're talking
I'm talking like this and my voice raises
and so that's literally how you belt
like that's yeah
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that's how you do it so I've been belting my whole life
so
I think taking into consideration what you already do
in your day to day is gonna inform
your singing voice a lot
and then playing to your strengths
is gonna help you kind of
move into that Olympian size yes
that's kind of where oh
(04:01):
I'm so glad you're bringing this up
you're bringing up so many good points
I'm loving this so strengths
that is something that I talk
about with my students all the time
like
especially the ones that wanna do this professionally
right it's like okay
it's so easy
to always focus on the things that we can't do
like I still
(04:22):
remember the bad grades that I got in middle school
yeah but I don't remember the good grades right
but it's the same thing in singing
like we
we can focus so easily on the things that we can't do
or not as well that we kind of lose sight
of the things that we can do well
so we think like
I'm not a good singer I can't sing like Ariana Grande
(04:42):
well if you're not a songbird
like if you don't have the soprano kind of voice
then good luck singing Ariana Grande
like Ariana Grande yes
if you have more of like a Demi Lovato kind of
you know lower more powerful kind of voice
like I always say if if Adele sang Ariana Grande
she wouldn't sound that great
like yeah
she would probably still sound really good yeah
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but not like Adele good yes
she sounds really great when she sings stuff
that's right for her so
you know playing into your strengths
and picking the right songs for your voice
oh my gosh like that's half the battle
oh yeah right
well and then I feel like the other half of the battle
is just taking away
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maybe getting into a hot take
but taking in taking away the morality within singing
like it's not some sounds are not inherently good
and some sounds are not inherently bad
it's so subjective I was
I was listening to a student in a first lesson
I know a couple months ago
and I was like taking notes in my brain of like okay
this is something we can adjust
this is something this is something
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and then I kind of like sat for a second
and I was like why
why do I need to adjust these things if they're not
if that sound isn't scratching the itch in my brain
the way that I maybe expected it to
why should this person fall under
my expectations of their voice
oh and I think that as a singer
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like that's a
that's a really great reflection to do of like
why should I
try to align my voice with this set of expectations
should it be easy and comfortable
and you should be able to have a fun time doing it 100%
uh huh but if the sound isn't saying we're on pitch and
you know with nuance
but if the sound isn't necessarily exactly like
(06:29):
Freddy Mercury
that doesn't mean you can't sing a Freddy Mercury song
yes but it's kind of going into like
Adele would sound great on an Ariana Grande piece
but she wouldn't sound like her signature sound yeah
leaning into what serves you
what tells the stories that you wanna tell
I think is and she would probably adjust the key
and she would totally adjust the key
and it would
it would sound like probably a lot more head
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head voice dominant you know
because as we I think
I'm thinking about Adele popping up in easy on me
uh huh go that like head voice up there yeah
yeah she does a register flip and it's a full flip yeah
she's in a little bit more of a head mix
if we like dig into it
but it's not that like bright floaty song birdie mix
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like an Ariana Grande so yeah
wrapping up that was like your
lean into your signature sound and what serves you
but also like just strengthen your muscles
it's training like
you're literally working out muscles
just like any other muscle in your body
like if you want to get fit
you have to go to the gym
yes multiple times a week and push yourself
(07:36):
yeah to actually get better when get fit
get stronger whatever
you're working on endurance right yeah
it's the same thing for singing
if you wanna get better at singing
you're just gonna have to train your muscles like
yep I believe everyone can learn to sing
but it takes work yes
it takes work
and not everyone is willing to put in the work
(07:57):
that's true and it takes time
yeah
and like so much more patience than you wanted to take
like yeah
you just have to be
and it's like being patient with yourself
like when have you ever gone to the gym on a Monday
and lifted 10 pound weights
and then gone to the gym on a Tuesday
and lifted 65 pound weights
like that's just not quite how it works
yes yeah
(08:17):
so like
you have to like give yourself Grace as a singer
and that's kind of what I mean
with taking the morality out of singing
yeah like okay
your voice cracks then what
sing it again yeah
or and or figure out the root of
of the challenge there yeah
so well
cause if you're just if you just keep doing the same
thing over and over again
that's kind of like you know
then we're running into like alright
(08:38):
we're creating muscle memory that's not serving you
but yes yeah
practice doesn't make perfect
it makes permanent oh yeah
so real so yeah yeah
well
so I would say we can agree that singing is a skill yes
that can be Learned I believe though
that some people have a natural talent for singing
so they maybe start a little bit
(09:01):
further down the road of the singing journey right
like someone
let's say someone has zero talent for singing
they need to start with like alright
let's learn how to match pitch right
like alright
they're starting down here
someone who has natural talent
you know might already start up here
but that doesn't mean you can't catch up
with someone who has natural talent 100% yeah
and you can both go up and and improve now sometimes
(09:26):
oh I can't believe I'm saying this okay
but okay sometimes
I prefer working
with people who feel like
they don't have a ton of natural talent um
because they work harder hmm
you're saying exactly what I was about to say okay
good you're so on the same page of like you can be 60
you can be born with being 60% of the way there yeah
(09:47):
like you're at you're like 25
26 you're at your peak lung capacity
your voice is fully developed all those things
you're already there you've done all the training
you've been in a hundred musicals whatever yeah
and then someone can be 45 their voice is changing
everything's changing and start from matching pitch
(10:08):
start from stringing together notes and not just going
uh make you feel my love yeah
taking that to make you feel my love you know yeah
but if that person practices
and sixty percent over here doesn't practice
then this person's gonna get to 50
and this person's gonna stay at 60
uh huh and then this person's gonna get to 55
(10:28):
and this person's gonna stay at 60
and if you
you don't home what you have it's kind of like
this is like kind of getting into it
but thinking about like
being in middle school and like
being put in a gifted program
because you're really
cause math just like comes really easily to you yeah
like that's great
and then you never quite learn how to study
and you never quite learn how to practice
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and so I think kind of bouncing off what you said
the adjustment period in lessons
or I'll say naturally gifted singer
like people who are
whose bodies are just ready to do it
ready to sing um
the adjustment period in like
allowing yourself to take notes
taking the morality out of it yeah uh
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is it's a harder kind of shock
it's hard to take something you're already good at
and then find out oh
I have to adjust these things to become better at it
uh huh what would be your biggest tip
for somebody starting out
like they don't feel like they have a lot of natural
talents and they
they wanna get better
(11:32):
because they really enjoy singing
where should they start
I'm actually gonna say start with the mind
start with your mindset going into it
like it's not it's not that deep
it's not that deep oh
I love it truly at the end of the day
connect with your love for music
connect with your why start there
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and then kind of what I was saying before
what are you already good at
do you already talk up here
great
there are a ton of songs that are just singing up here
start there
find what connects you to material is it text
is it the is it the lyrics
is it the musicality do you just like
when these chords get a little funky and it like
kind of scratches your brain
(12:15):
yeah are you really drawn to this person
because of their story and you know
you know what they're trying to communicate
find what draws you in and don't let go of that yeah
and then we can match pitch for the other 20 minutes
you know yeah
it doesn't need to be an hour of trying to match pitch
you're gonna go crazy and you're gonna like
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lose the joy yes
of singing that's I would say that's the biggest tip
don't lose the joy remember why you're here
remember why you want to sing
even if you just wanna sing
because you wanna have one song at karaoke
where you go up and kill it
and everyone's like oh my God
you killed it like yeah have a good time yeah
there's my tip yeah
I think mine is similar to what you're talking about
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mine would be like focus on what singing feels like
oh yeah rather than what you sound like
because we always are our own worst critic
oh yeah
and we judge everything that we do and so we're like
oh my gosh that sounds terrible and I'm like
actually that was pretty good
I don't know what you're talking about but okay
so just focusing on what singing feels like
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so that we can start from
a foundation where singing physically feels good right
and we're not making sacrifices where it's like
alright if I push
I can reach that note yeah
that's not gonna serve you in the long term
so you know
if we're starting with a blank slate
even if we're not by the way
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even if you're not starting with a blank slate
make sure it feels good yes
but you know we can make sure that
we don't have to get rid of bad habits
further down the road
because the only way you can reach that note is
if you push
it's not gonna be sustainable
yeah and also that does that means you
you're not gonna be able to
continue expanding your range
if that's already your limit right
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so just focusing on singing like the feeling of singing
does it feel good does it feel trapped in your throat
and just taking the judgment out of what you sound like
yeah because I promise you
if singing feels good you're gonna sound a lot better
than when it doesn't feel good yes
so yeah just focus on feeling
like the feeling of singing and the mindset of singing
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yeah I love that
that seems it up pretty well yeah perfect
do we want to do a vocal warm up ourselves real quick
before we look at some of these stars
doing some vocal warm UPS
yeah okay
so a little call and response thing
please practice along together with us um
we'll just make it up on the spot okay
yeah we'll snap on two and 4 1
2 3 4 done
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oh I just love your around
I just like I'm like
I'm getting so distracted just listening to you saying
I don't ever get to hear you say yeah
I mean I do but not often enough
oh yeah anyways
let's move on cause we got more stuff we got more stuff
the musical theater roots
oh I'm so jealous
oh my gosh whatever
okay that's another episode
we're gonna talk about that too
yeah
oh where are we uh
(15:37):
hello Italian family yeah
I can hear it okay
we're getting into Emily territory
let's look at some singer
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sizes let's do it
yeah love it
um real quick before we look at an exercise
who's one of the artists
that you can think of right now
who has grown vocally immensely
oh like during their career Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift yes Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift for sure is absolutely one of those
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but I also think she just started singing
songs that fit her voice a lot better
cause when she started
she was like always like up here
very like Belty and like ah
and I'm like now she's like down in the basement
yes and also she grew up like okay
your voice doesn't fully we're talking for
for um
women I'll say yeah uh
your voice doesn't fully finish developing until
(16:47):
around 20 so if she's singing these songs
like these songs that are already like
kind of pushing her range
yeah at 16
like yeah
how many high school musicals have you gone to where
like they're not quite hitting it the way that yeah
like
maybe they could with a little training or a little
whatever yeah
and now I like you said
like she totally knows what's
(17:09):
what fits her voice
she's like really settled into her signature sound
and she's also belting like D's hmm
you know like she's still getting up there
but she's not she's not living in that
like she's not living up there the entire time
yeah
that's something we didn't touch on when we were like
yeah focus on your strengths
like that doesn't mean you should never yeah
go outside of that yeah
go outside of that I call it your prima Volta
(17:31):
kind of like that sweet spot of your voice
um still go outside of that
but you that doesn't mean you have to live there yeah
constantly you don't have to live there
you don't have to do all your repertoire there
but like still push yourself
that's fun as well you know
yeah yeah yeah
yeah singer that I can think of would be Katy Perry
yeah
she's gotten a lot better
I remember watching her Super Bowl halftime show
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and I was like oh
this is a lot better than what it used to be
so she's um yeah
she's grown a lot too Rihanna is another one
oh yeah
yeah well
I think there's also something
there's a pattern here too
of these singers getting older
and kind of growing into themselves and their voices
and like
finding where they wanna identify on that
(18:14):
on the artist scale yeah
yeah yeah
and then kind of seeing what fits that
and I feel like it's all very whole
if that makes sense yeah
like if Katy Perry was still singing things that were
maybe pushing her range or not quite as comfortable
but had the artistic identity of who she is now
it would be kind of misaligned
(18:36):
yeah fair
that's totally fair yeah
never thought about that hmm
well there you go
that's why this is called singing to artist right
find your roots yeah
well and also like Kelly Clarkson
like in recent interviews
yeah she says like
I am a better singer now at 40
whatever than I was when I won American Idol
(18:57):
yeah was it American Idol
yeah yeah
so she was already amazing back then right
and now she's like yeah
like I just I keep training my muscles
I keep maturing and it just keeps getting better
and I was like get it girl
haha yeah
anyways shall we look at some
singers doing some vocal exercises
I would love to do that let's do it
(19:18):
you do exercise or how do you work that
I mean do you I still have a coach
really I do have a coach
and what does a coach do with you it's really boring
(19:39):
why do you need that
it's a stretch
if you go and see a dancer stretching on the
on the floor
you might think she's very flexible wow
she can really stretch that leg
but it's not it's not choreography
it's not a it's not artistically beautiful so us
and then you go on stage and you give it
(20:02):
give me a vocal warm up what do you do
well like that
this is before in the dressing room
I do this for a few different
a few different ones obviously but it's just to um
(20:34):
oh
haha boring
but there you go oh
see even the best of the best have vocal coaches
oh yeah and uh
it's it's a continuous training like athletes
uh huh you have to continue training your voice uh
or like not athletes whatever it is they're
they're training for right
(20:54):
like they they continue training so that they can um
stay in shape and get better
like even maintenance right
like oh yeah
maintenance like staying at your level
that also takes effort yeah
but anyway
so she did a she did a couple a couple things
lip tucks right like
s o v t semi occluded vocal tract
(21:14):
it's one of those
get that reverse air pressure back to vocal fold level
yes everything out
yes the great as I
that's how I start every every warm up
s o v t
I always start with the first thing I do yeah
lip trill or like a boo what's your favorite
like a puffer fish found it
puffer fish is my favorite
um humming is okay too
(21:36):
um I don't know
what's your favorite I'm a tongue trill girl
oh raspberry
raspberry raspberry
which I'll talk about
she did that she loves it
she loves it I can't sustain
like I can sustain it for a little bit and then okay
but I'm a tongue I'm a tongue check
I'm a hello can't speak
that's it's my evidence
I'm a tongue tension kind of
(21:57):
kind of girl yeah
um same
my dad always told me I sound like Shakira growing up
and I was like I love Shakira
no problem now years later
I'm like oh
that's because of tongue tension
oh cause she was back here
yeah
Celine Dion also has a little bit of that for sure
tongue retraction tone
which is like a thing kind of going back
(22:18):
we were talking about like signature sound
uh huh not all okay
this sound is tongue tension and also tongue retraction
yeah and if I can belt with ease with that sound
and I like the sound of it
okay go for it
yeah great
even though it's technically
technically not what we're supposed to do
(22:38):
yeah right
yeah it's technically not your like clean
pure sound yeah that
why does that have to be the goal all the time
you know yeah
you know there you go
it's kind of like digging into that
yeah but um yes
she started off with those s O
V T's slides uh huh
ascending uh huh
which makes sense for the repertoire
I like them hmm
hmm yeah
(22:59):
yeah yeah
you really smooth out the voice
so there's no like hmm
like no cracking or anything yeah
work your way through breaks and flexibility
Lauren flexibility especially yeah
I heard it in the lip buzz as well
the lip trill where she did chest into head
maybe I'll do it
(23:21):
and she made her way into it
um
just to kind of find that flexibility between registers
and if you feel it here
now really try weighing down the bottom one
weighing down
(23:43):
do you feel a little movement
yeah I move up and down
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah I mean
not up and down it just moves from down to up
yeah not up
but like back and forth but yeah
yeah I mean
your larynx
it's flexible right
and yeah it moves up and down
so and we yeah
and we want to especially for Celine Dion repertoire
where she's going all over the place
and every register all the time
yeah like
(24:04):
flexibility is probably her priority when warming up
uh huh like
let me check what I got today
and then yeah
make sure that I can do it all back to back
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah and I one more thing that I wanna touch on
yeah we'll move on to the next one is um
you know she's like
oh it's very boring
yes right
like vocal exercises not to sound great
(24:24):
yeah uh huh
it's not the purpose of an exercise or a warm up right
it's
it's to exercise or to warm up not to sound amazing
yes exactly
she made an excellent analogy with the dancer
you know like a dancer
just like stretching her splits
is not as artistically beautiful as doing like
a grand jeté across the city
yeah you know
(24:44):
like that's not the same as a lift where you're
you know doing all the crazy
I'm not dancing haha
well you know
I can't show it is so
you know I've
I've danced a wee bit but um
but yeah you know
it's not
but I've actually come across a handful of students
and maybe this is like teacher brain
I think that I recognize this is like
(25:05):
people who maybe have a little bit of a teacher brain
or like really like to study
or they're like let's do exercises for the whole hour
hmm and I don't wanna sing a song
yeah and I'm like
I come across those people too
we're like I don't wanna work on a song
I just wanna do exercises
actually I myself take 30 minute lessons
oh that's
great and in 30 minute lessons
it's like I only got time for these exercises
(25:25):
yes and like every so often
we do like five or maybe 10 minutes of a song
at the end yeah
but where I'm at in my journey right now
yeah it
the exercising is is the right thing for me
but yeah yeah
anyways let's look at another one
yes yes
it oh
do we talk Wanna talk about her brrr
oh yes
a little breath support yep
she's a little balance yeah
(25:46):
the big thing for me when I do things like that
is I need to make sure that my core doesn't tighten up
so that everything gets tight in my
in my throat that's my tendency that I personally have
but yeah just like keeping that flow going
the breath flow and where do you get the support
where do you typically breathe
where do I breathe I'm a rib breather
ah like a 3 60 expansion kind of a rib breather
(26:07):
3 60 haha yeah
what about you I think it depends
I'm kind of all over I don't really do low breathing
um I don't really
uh I could
I can rock a clavicular here and there
okay but like up here
yeah yeah
but nothing too crazy I would say probably a rib
alright let's have a look at Billy
(26:32):
okay so that's a really short little excer
but I like this one yeah
so I wanted to
to point out what she's doing with her tongue there
yeah cause we were just talking about tongue retraction
yeah so she's kind of like
you know pushing her tongue against her her finger why
oh I love it
I love it
there are a lot of different things she could be doing
(26:54):
so I'm gonna
when I first started my tongue tension journey
I created
I'm definitely not the first person in the world
to do it but I created for myself
something called reverse tongue tension okay
which meant if my tongue was gonna tense
it wasn't going back uh huh
so I was shoving my tongue basically against my teeth
(27:14):
and it doesn't look like she's using as much effort
and then over time
eventually the back of my tongue was like
okay fine yeah
yeah yeah
I got it you know
relax now yeah yeah
and everything just chilled out and I mean
I kind of
I worked through that in about like a semester
semester and a half and it shows up
you know tongue tension shows up randomly
but it's it cleared up pretty quickly
because I like took on the root of the problem that's
(27:36):
I gotta try she's going like
it kind of gets my soft palate up a little bit
ah
ah yeah she just like that typical breathy
yeah sound right that she's
she might even be using a melody of one of her song
I can't recognize it in the short clip
but I totally buy it but I just I like the like
(27:56):
it's just not something you see all the time
so yeah it's
it's just kind of like get the tongue out of the way
like in the back right
so I like to do tongue bites like hmm
whatever she does right yeah
so just like sticking out your tongue
gently biting on it so it doesn't retract
so they get rid of that
yeah the all so she does something like that yeah
(28:21):
just a different version of it uh huh
and the finger why does she do the finger
it's it's mostly like a mental thing
I think cause you can do it
it does the same thing it's just kind of like
let's get everything a little bit more forward and out
from the back yeah
it's what I think yeah
(28:42):
and I mean I don't know what entanglements or
and lack thereof that she
she deals with because she's such a relax yes
she really rocks the relaxing thing yeah
um but if she struggles with jaw tension
that's a great reminder to just like stay open
keep it chill keep it relaxed yeah
it's the same thing that sometimes
just putting your hands here
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this is it just my best friend yes
it just reminds your jaw like
hey girl chill yeah
like it's yeah it's
it's all good
so that you don't have to move the jaw when you
change pitch that's a great one too
it's a something you see a lot when people
when they riff that guy like why
keep the jaw still exactly
love it yeah
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that's really interesting
that's very interesting warm up
let's do the next one ready for Christina Aguilera
I was listening to a little Christina yesterday
oh yeah after yeah
she was my biggest idol growing up
I was like I wanna be just like Christina
very different voice like from me
but I love her stuff
vocal warm UPS with falseros
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now that we're a little more open
try to take in a good
deep breath before you sustain this scale
so in the same approach I would go to the e vowel sound
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like a E E
everybody's gonna have different levels of scales
and depth that they wanna go with
take your time and really feel out
and take in these notes one at a time
and absorb the information
as you play around with the scales
so this is a little excerpt from her master class
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her master class yeah yeah
where she was teaching people how to sing
I signed up for it
cause I wanted to see like what it was like
and it was very much like
oh this is already pretty advanced yeah
but okay uh
so couple different things like she's like okay
I always start out with falsettos um
so I start out with a s o v t which
is like like yeah
usually pretty head dominant
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and then the very next thing I do is head voice
because I'm a bottom heavy person
I need to balance myself so I'm the same way
I go all the way up and I try to go as high as possible
she
and I have a different definition for what falsetto is
that's something I totally want to chat about
okay let's get into that
what is what is Spleto to you
what is spleto to me it's a breathy head voice okay
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do you think of it as like
within the realm of registration
or more as like a stylistic thing
it's a style I mean
it's a breath it's so subjective
it's yeah
what do you think for
for me yeah
for me cause for me
they have just voice and then you have the head voice
like ah and ah would be in my book falsetto
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it's the same thing but it's breathy
so it's a stylistic choice that you're making
yeah I
I agree with that I also think that in my head
the definition of falsetto occurs at a higher
like higher pitch yeah
more of like a ah
that's when I think we're getting into falsetto
so for you it's like
it's higher than head voice
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yeah like the top end of head voice
the top end of head voice with uh
like a breathy airy quality
okay fair lighter
I also think
uh I
guess it depends on the singer
but I think often
I would use the word falsetto in a contemporary sense
uh huh far more than I would and yeah
like a classical sense or musical theater
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yeah yeah yeah
higher than head voice
like going into that kind of range
obviously we have Mariah Whistle yeah
up top um
but then for me that in between that I like
that's the flash a LA in my book
like do you do flash a LA stuff
I just don't categorize it
you don't categorize it fair yeah
I never used to
until I started working with the coach I'm working
working with yeah
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now and he's like yeah
flash a LA and I'm like okay plagiarism
like so I've heard it before
but not something that my
15 other voice teachers that I've worked with
have ever talked about yeah
so
it really just kind of depends on who you're working
with have you worked with um
male voice teachers the one I'm with right now is male
yeah is he the first one
no second one
okay that was third one
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sorry third one
okay that was gonna be my question
like I wonder if that is used maybe more with maybe
yeah well
Justin Stoney from New York
Vocal Coaching also talks about the flash a LA
also another dude talking about fragile right
I've never heard a female singer talk about it
does it come from classical
don't know that could just be yeah
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or do their teachers come from classical
yeah where does it come from
I don't know huh
I'm assuming somewhere in the western classical land
probably but um
I mean it's a very French
like casually casually yeah
just the way you spell it
it's like oh my God
hold on let me
let me try and spell that
but anyway so for me again
like I like to go
stretch up as high as humanly possible for me
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which is not that high for some videos
but for me it's like oh my God
so high so um
just again to balance out my
my bottom range yeah
cause I'm very heavy yeah
when I sing yeah
so um anyways yeah
I like the light first yeah
and then what's the next thing
oh she just sustained yeah
sustained oh
she also had uh
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cicada at the end yeah
so she runs up she like stretches up with the uh
the head voice or or falsetto um
and then ends on staccato to like
finish off with that closure and that um
coordination yeah
and then the accuracy and the accuracy yeah
yeah to really just make sure you're
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you're settled in there
you're not just kind of like waving around you're
you're in control
I always love it when singers are doing staccato
exercises for the first time
and they're all like
their pitch goes all over the place and they're like
what what is happening
oh my god I don't suck that that's
but that was literally my first reaction
when I did that I was like with a new voice teacher
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I was like I promise I don't
I don't suck oh
what is going on in front of a class
we were doing in my math program
we were doing uh warm UPS in front of each other
yeah and it was just like
I had already come up a voice lesson
my voice is a little I wasn't like at full fatigue
but you know like end of an hour lesson with yeah
I like to sing
I like to sing for 59 minutes
you know like yeah
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um and so I had really used my voice a lot
and then not used it for like an hour
and I didn't have time for a cool down
cause it was like class to class
and then my class right after that
I literally I went up
and another one of my peers was warming me up
and we did a 1 8
5 one yeah
like I jumping an octave on sacudi and I was just like
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huh
nowhere the pitch was nowhere to be found
yeah and I was like
oh what is going on
wow it's just quite quite a day
yeah and you know
that just shows you like
even if you're doing this every day
and you're like a pro singer
uh huh like if
you do a new exercise something you're not used to
like your voice needs to first
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like figure out where it's at
and that's something she brought up too
she's like take your time
uh huh oh my God
that is so important just being like alright
like let me feel this like yeah
how's my voice reacting to it
and um
something what's her face
Maddie Tarbucks love
I love okay
I can't I love her so much
okay there you go
cause you you studied with her
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she was my first teacher yeah
there you go and now we're friends and oh
I love that I just know her from the internet
text her all the time but uh
so something she talks about a lot is
when you're doing a new exercise
she does it on like the same key
cause usually you go up yeah
three or four times yeah
before you introduce any sort of change yeah
so yeah just like slow down to speed up
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uh huh slow down to speed up
that is something I tell myself all the time yeah
like in business with my voice
like sometimes you just gotta take it slow to go faster
yeah so anyways
I love that let's do maybe one more
or something else about Christina
something else about Christina
oh we can
I think we should talk about her chest voice
oh my God and everything she does
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another great example of like she's
rocking that tongue retraction
hmm and we love it
like I I eat it up yeah
you know like
oh I love her
like I don't hear her voice and think wow
she has tongue tension like I hear her and I'm like
oh my God yeah
she's and she's taking it up
I also think it's really
clear that she has a strong head voice
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because you need to balance out muscular ture
you can't belt that high if you don't have strong yeah
yeah yeah yeah yep
yep that is again
something I personally have to focus on
cause my chest voice is so heavy
I need to have the yeah
I need to have the balance
singing is all about balance
yeah right
so
even if you don't wanna sing high stuff in your songs
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you still gotta work on your head voice
yeah so that we can balance things out
and you're not getting too heavy
cause that's the mistake that I made
when I first went pro with my singing
everyone was like yeah
your chest voice your low notes incredible
like keep doing that I was like alright
cutting out head voice oh my God
and then you stop stretching
it's like it's like you stop stretching and only
only bulk up
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only lift weights and then you never stretch
and then you look like oh
and you're super tight and then you're like
you can't walk anymore
that's exactly what happened to me
like I lost so much of my range at the top
but then also like
my belting got heavier and heavier and heavier
and I got more and more and more tired with my voice
and eventually ended up with an injury
but that's a story for another point
like another time but um
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yeah balance yeah
balance balance
balance balance balance oh
and then she just like on different vowels
we didn't talk about that
but yeah but that's important right
like just exploring some different vowels
so you can do it on different sounds
because when you're singing language yes
you're gonna use different vowels
uh huh love it
let's do one more woo
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okay so something that doesn't involve the vocal folds
right cause like if you're doing this
yeah you don't feel any vibrations on your throat yeah
meaning your vocal folds are not involved
yes so which is what we want for this exercise
what is this exercise for
I would say support and control
because we're wanna make sure
be taken enough of a breath to feel full
and have enough air and then you need to
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control the pace at which it comes out
so you're not like
yeah yeah yeah
and then you're out it should be nice
and even yeah
we just had a check in session
with one of your students literally
what on Monday was it Sarah who was talking about the
yeah um
yeah just on Monday
so just a couple days ago
uh how she went from only being able to do 14 seconds
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it was like 14 seconds and she did 32 or something yeah
at the end she did 32 with just a couple weeks
like okay girl
yeah get it
get it so yeah
so breath control and why okay so why do the
and not just yeah
the entire time what's that for
I would say that that might actually
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well I mean
they're both support and control but um
we could be doing a little bit of core work there
depending on where you're controlling it
um that would be leaning towards support
yeah and control would be
if you're just managing it at this level
at here yeah full level
to make sure that you can start and stop and there
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there's not leakage in between
it's not yeah
yes you know
otherwise we're we're totally out of control
and we need to work on that
I was just working with a student on that
the like making a pause even with your breath
like in a song cause it was really weird
like when it was um
like the two phrases were connected
I was like no
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they have to be completely disconnected
cause otherwise it just it doesn't fit the song
yeah and uh
so she stopped singing in between
so she stopped like holding out the note for too
for really long but then the breath was still going
I'm like no
no no no
even the breath gotta stop the breath too
and then she heard it and was like
oh my God that sounds so much better
I'm like yeah yeah
had she Learned that somewhere
or is that just
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the idea of singing that I think every individual has
is so interesting and how that
like over singing is something that I see a lot where
you know
people are just holding out notes for the sake of
holding out notes yeah
why we're in the first verse
let's keep it more conversational
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let's keep it let's keep it simple right
but um
it was this specific example was like
in the middle of a phrase
yeah but it was literally written with a comma
uh and it was
it was an Imagine Dragon song and I was like
nope nope
nope nope
we gotta we gotta
gotta disconnect these yeah
but anyways so yeah
so even not vocal fold stuff yeah
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can be useful to practice for your singing
yeah right
yeah exactly
so we looked at a couple different exercises
what's your favorite exercise um
that I do
I got this from one of my peers in grad school
every time I introduce it to a student
it breaks their brain I don't
I don't know how I think
it's just because they're not expecting something off
a major or a genius
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um but it's my
okay and we take it up and melt it
Mama yes
and then just like add a little swing to it Mama
Mama that's like right over my break
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you couldn't have picked a worse key
but okay that's where I'm speaking yeah
see for me
it's like I'm like way down here
yeah Mama Mama
that be a lot easier for me yeah
yeah and that's Ma that's reaching like my bottom
oh really
when I'm talking in my fry right now yeah
like ma ma mom
(42:44):
not even gonna pretend LA LA LA
but again yeah
you know we're just different people yeah
we just different voices yeah
so anyways yeah
I would I would say my favorite um
is Cici see
see see
see see
see see
it really helps me go higher
without dragging too much weight up with me
it's interesting
and you're also getting some nice air flow with that
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yes C
C C
C C
C C
I like C over like he he he he
cause the huh exactly yeah
when I do huh it's oh
everything starts squeezing
yeah C
I don't have that issue that's it
I love a Z for the same reason
Z C ah
Z Z or C C Z Z
I mean I don't do this exact exercise
but I will do like a Z Z Z
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yeah live on the Z for a second one to show you that
like try phonating on your consonants
I think we have a pop
song exercise that goes something like ze
may moo um Bailey lelu zoes zays yeah
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zays I can't believe that just yes
I cannot believe that I just came to myself flowers
I can love me better
hahaha hahaha hahaha I remember
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there you go okay
so there's no Z
there's no Z but but you could totally go mommy
yeah yo instead of a LA LA LA yeah
yeah right
just depending on what you yeah
you need to work on but
but there is another one where you have the you do
but I I can't believe that just came to be any
which one of them
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just go through the hundred of our pop song exercises
and you'll find it but anyways
love it yeah
thank you
I think that wraps it up so anyone can learn to sing
yes
some people might start at 60 others might start at 10
but everyone can get
can improve and get better and get to a really
really good pro level whatever that means yeah
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um vocal exercises are important yeah
warm up come be real warm up warm up your voice
it's not gonna hurt you it's only gonna help yeah
uh pay attention to what singing feels like
warm up for like 15 minutes
like you don't need to warm up for like an hour
oh no no no no no if you okay
if you wake up at 6:00am and have an audition at 6:30
like
maybe you can make noise for those whole 30 minutes
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yeah well
I mean we have warm up tracks and exercise tracks
and they're all between eight to 12 minutes yeah
so you know
like you rarely need more than 20
20 is typically pushing it
if you tack on skill acquisition girl
if I am not warm after 20 minutes or 30 minutes
I call it a day well
I'm like because it's not gonna happen yeah
because I mean
there's so many external factors that affect your voice
too like you
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like I'm getting over a
or I'm on the other side of a cold
but I still like now I'm waking up with like
a little bit of extra mucus
a little bit of extra like
uh yeah
and so when I warm up I'm gonna have to do
actually
I love a Z cause I Learned this from Maddie as well
like it kind of shakes up your mucus
hmm especially if you lean into the vibration yeah
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like I'm gonna have to spend a little extra time there
yeah yeah
but anyway feel it
like take your time
feel into it yeah
I mean Christina Giorgi said that perfectly right yeah
take your time feel into it
don't do things for the sake of doing them
know why know why
at least a little bit you don't need to be like the
yeah like the laryngeal tilt or whatever like yeah
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who cares like we
know we need to know that yeah
yeah but the singer doesn't need to know that yes
yeah
it's the best that we know and if you are interested
let's talk about it and you know like well
yeah yeah yeah
we'll fill you in on the anatomy and all that stuff
but you know at least like
this is an exercise that's gonna help me with uh yeah
and then you can focus on that
I always my warm up checklist is s o v
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t through my range hit my head voice
hit my chest voice hit my mix then I know I'm balanced
yeah um
if I'm belting which I probably am
do a little belt that'll probably take me to 15 minutes
yeah if I need to
sometimes I'll like
go really up in the rafters of head voice
if I get too excited or need to yeah
or I'm like what's up there today
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and sometimes I'll explore the depths of chest voice
if I feel feel moved to do so
but again like hit your basics
yeah doesn't have to be too crazy
yeah I love that amazing
thank you Emily
yes thank you for having me
of course of course
if you have any questions
let us know shoot us an email
we're happy to help but thanks for joining
and we'll see you in the next one
you can be born with being 60% of the way there yeah
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like you're at you're like 25
26 you're at your peak lung capacity
your voice is fully developed all those things
you're already there and then someone can be 45
their voice is changing
everything's changing and start from matching pitch
start from stringing together notes and not just going
make you feel my love yeah
(00:25):
taking that to make you feel my love
you know yeah
but if that person practices
and sixty percent over here doesn't practice
then this person's gonna get to 50
and this person's gonna stay at 60
uh huh and then this person's gonna get to 55
and this person's gonna stay at sixty
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let's get started with me I have the beautiful Emily
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I'm super excited to have a chat with you today about
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oh my goodness is singing a natural talent
can it be Learned how much of it can be Learned
cause you know there's some people that are like
you know
you have to have natural talent to get the really
really good level
so let's talk about that and then we'll
we're also gonna look at some examples
of some of the biggest stars out there
who are doing vocal exercises
and we'll discuss what are these exercises for and um
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or we think there are for because you know
there's a million exercises out there
and they all have different purposes
and sometimes the same exercise can have
multiple purposes so
we'll just look at some videos to show you that
even the biggest stars
need to practice their singing um anyways
so let's get started with is singing a natural talent
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can it be Learned
what do you think about this
okay this is like one of my favorite questions ever
because I feel like in media or just in
I don't know big discourse uh
there's a lot of like
this person can't sing and this person can
or we like
talk about the idea of people being tone deaf
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and being tone deaf is a real thing
but typically
those people don't actually like listening to music
it's not okay okay
I can't match pitch a that means I'm tone deaf um
from my experience I
I think that anyone can learn to sing
I also think that a gen biologically
some things are gonna be easier
for some people to say that way
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that like some people are Olympians
and some people are also really good at tennis
you know yeah
absolutely well
that's a really great question um
or like a point that you're bringing up
like some people are Olympians
and some people are just really good at playing tennis
or whatever the sport is yeah
now can someone with a lot of practice
could they be eventually become Olympians
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yeah if we're talking about singing I think 100% uh
it your
your life experiences I think also shape your voice
like I yeah
I talk about all the time with students how like
belting is really easy for me
high belting because I'm from a big Italian family
and I'm always like talking
we're talking
I'm talking like this and my voice raises
and so that's literally how you belt
like that's yeah
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that's how you do it so I've been belting my whole life
so
I think taking into consideration what you already do
in your day to day is gonna inform
your singing voice a lot
and then playing to your strengths
is gonna help you kind of
move into that Olympian size yes
that's kind of where oh
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I'm so glad you're bringing this up
you're bringing up so many good points
I'm loving this so strengths
that is something that I talk
about with my students all the time
like
especially the ones that wanna do this professionally
right it's like okay
it's so easy
to always focus on the things that we can't do
like I still
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remember the bad grades that I got in middle school
yeah but I don't remember the good grades right
but it's the same thing in singing
like we
we can focus so easily on the things that we can't do
or not as well that we kind of lose sight
of the things that we can do well
so we think like
I'm not a good singer I can't sing like Ariana Grande
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well if you're not a songbird
like if you don't have the soprano kind of voice
then good luck singing Ariana Grande
like Ariana Grande yes
if you have more of like a Demi Lovato kind of
you know lower more powerful kind of voice
like I always say if if Adele sang Ariana Grande
she wouldn't sound that great
like yeah
she would probably still sound really good yeah
(05:04):
but not like Adele good yes
she sounds really great when she sings stuff
that's right for her so
you know playing into your strengths
and picking the right songs for your voice
oh my gosh like that's half the battle
oh yeah right
well and then I feel like the other half of the battle
is just taking away
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maybe getting into a hot take
but taking in taking away the morality within singing
like it's not some sounds are not inherently good
and some sounds are not inherently bad
it's so subjective I was
I was listening to a student in a first lesson
I know a couple months ago
and I was like taking notes in my brain of like okay
this is something we can adjust
this is something this is something
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and then I kind of like sat for a second
and I was like why
why do I need to adjust these things if they're not
if that sound isn't scratching the itch in my brain
the way that I maybe expected it to
why should this person fall under
my expectations of their voice
oh and I think that as a singer
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like that's a
that's a really great reflection to do of like
why should I
try to align my voice with this set of expectations
should it be easy and comfortable
and you should be able to have a fun time doing it 100%
uh huh but if the sound isn't saying we're on pitch and
you know with nuance
but if the sound isn't necessarily exactly like
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Freddy Mercury
that doesn't mean you can't sing a Freddy Mercury song
yes but it's kind of going into like
Adele would sound great on an Ariana Grande piece
but she wouldn't sound like her signature sound yeah
leaning into what serves you
what tells the stories that you wanna tell
I think is and she would probably adjust the key
and she would totally adjust the key
and it would
it would sound like probably a lot more head
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head voice dominant you know
because as we I think
I'm thinking about Adele popping up in easy on me
uh huh go that like head voice up there yeah
yeah she does a register flip and it's a full flip yeah
she's in a little bit more of a head mix
if we like dig into it
but it's not that like bright floaty song birdie mix
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like an Ariana Grande so yeah
wrapping up that was like your
lean into your signature sound and what serves you
but also like just strengthen your muscles
it's training like
you're literally working out muscles
just like any other muscle in your body
like if you want to get fit
you have to go to the gym
yes multiple times a week and push yourself
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yeah to actually get better when get fit
get stronger whatever
you're working on endurance right yeah
it's the same thing for singing
if you wanna get better at singing
you're just gonna have to train your muscles like
yep I believe everyone can learn to sing
but it takes work yes
it takes work
and not everyone is willing to put in the work
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that's true and it takes time
yeah
and like so much more patience than you wanted to take
like yeah
you just have to be
and it's like being patient with yourself
like when have you ever gone to the gym on a Monday
and lifted 10 pound weights
and then gone to the gym on a Tuesday
and lifted 65 pound weights
like that's just not quite how it works
yes yeah
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so like
you have to like give yourself Grace as a singer
and that's kind of what I mean
with taking the morality out of singing
yeah like okay
your voice cracks then what
sing it again yeah
or and or figure out the root of
of the challenge there yeah
so well
cause if you're just if you just keep doing the same
thing over and over again
that's kind of like you know
then we're running into like alright
(08:38):
we're creating muscle memory that's not serving you
but yes yeah
practice doesn't make perfect
it makes permanent oh yeah
so real so yeah yeah
well
so I would say we can agree that singing is a skill yes
that can be Learned I believe though
that some people have a natural talent for singing
so they maybe start a little bit
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further down the road of the singing journey right
like someone
let's say someone has zero talent for singing
they need to start with like alright
let's learn how to match pitch right
like alright
they're starting down here
someone who has natural talent
you know might already start up here
but that doesn't mean you can't catch up
with someone who has natural talent 100% yeah
and you can both go up and and improve now sometimes
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oh I can't believe I'm saying this okay
but okay sometimes
I prefer working
with people who feel like
they don't have a ton of natural talent um
because they work harder hmm
you're saying exactly what I was about to say okay
good you're so on the same page of like you can be 60
you can be born with being 60% of the way there yeah
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like you're at you're like 25
26 you're at your peak lung capacity
your voice is fully developed all those things
you're already there you've done all the training
you've been in a hundred musicals whatever yeah
and then someone can be 45 their voice is changing
everything's changing and start from matching pitch
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start from stringing together notes and not just going
uh make you feel my love yeah
taking that to make you feel my love you know yeah
but if that person practices
and sixty percent over here doesn't practice
then this person's gonna get to 50
and this person's gonna stay at 60
uh huh and then this person's gonna get to 55
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and this person's gonna stay at 60
and if you
you don't home what you have it's kind of like
this is like kind of getting into it
but thinking about like
being in middle school and like
being put in a gifted program
because you're really
cause math just like comes really easily to you yeah
like that's great
and then you never quite learn how to study
and you never quite learn how to practice
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and so I think kind of bouncing off what you said
the adjustment period in lessons
or I'll say naturally gifted singer
like people who are
whose bodies are just ready to do it
ready to sing um
the adjustment period in like
allowing yourself to take notes
taking the morality out of it yeah uh
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is it's a harder kind of shock
it's hard to take something you're already good at
and then find out oh
I have to adjust these things to become better at it
uh huh what would be your biggest tip
for somebody starting out
like they don't feel like they have a lot of natural
talents and they
they wanna get better
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because they really enjoy singing
where should they start
I'm actually gonna say start with the mind
start with your mindset going into it
like it's not it's not that deep
it's not that deep oh
I love it truly at the end of the day
connect with your love for music
connect with your why start there
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and then kind of what I was saying before
what are you already good at
do you already talk up here
great
there are a ton of songs that are just singing up here
start there
find what connects you to material is it text
is it the is it the lyrics
is it the musicality do you just like
when these chords get a little funky and it like
kind of scratches your brain
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yeah are you really drawn to this person
because of their story and you know
you know what they're trying to communicate
find what draws you in and don't let go of that yeah
and then we can match pitch for the other 20 minutes
you know yeah
it doesn't need to be an hour of trying to match pitch
you're gonna go crazy and you're gonna like
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lose the joy yes
of singing that's I would say that's the biggest tip
don't lose the joy remember why you're here
remember why you want to sing
even if you just wanna sing
because you wanna have one song at karaoke
where you go up and kill it
and everyone's like oh my God
you killed it like yeah have a good time yeah
there's my tip yeah
I think mine is similar to what you're talking about
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mine would be like focus on what singing feels like
oh yeah rather than what you sound like
because we always are our own worst critic
oh yeah
and we judge everything that we do and so we're like
oh my gosh that sounds terrible and I'm like
actually that was pretty good
I don't know what you're talking about but okay
so just focusing on what singing feels like
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so that we can start from
a foundation where singing physically feels good right
and we're not making sacrifices where it's like
alright if I push
I can reach that note yeah
that's not gonna serve you in the long term
so you know
if we're starting with a blank slate
even if we're not by the way
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even if you're not starting with a blank slate
make sure it feels good yes
but you know we can make sure that
we don't have to get rid of bad habits
further down the road
because the only way you can reach that note is
if you push
it's not gonna be sustainable
yeah and also that does that means you
you're not gonna be able to
continue expanding your range
if that's already your limit right
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so just focusing on singing like the feeling of singing
does it feel good does it feel trapped in your throat
and just taking the judgment out of what you sound like
yeah because I promise you
if singing feels good you're gonna sound a lot better
than when it doesn't feel good yes
so yeah just focus on feeling
like the feeling of singing and the mindset of singing
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yeah I love that
that seems it up pretty well yeah perfect
do we want to do a vocal warm up ourselves real quick
before we look at some of these stars
doing some vocal warm UPS
yeah okay
so a little call and response thing
please practice along together with us um
we'll just make it up on the spot okay
yeah we'll snap on two and 4 1
2 3 4 done
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oh I just love your around
I just like I'm like
I'm getting so distracted just listening to you saying
I don't ever get to hear you say yeah
I mean I do but not often enough
oh yeah anyways
let's move on cause we got more stuff we got more stuff
the musical theater roots
oh I'm so jealous
oh my gosh whatever
okay that's another episode
we're gonna talk about that too
yeah
oh where are we uh
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hello Italian family yeah
I can hear it okay
we're getting into Emily territory
let's look at some singer
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sizes let's do it
yeah love it
um real quick before we look at an exercise
who's one of the artists
that you can think of right now
who has grown vocally immensely
oh like during their career Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift yes Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift for sure is absolutely one of those
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but I also think she just started singing
songs that fit her voice a lot better
cause when she started
she was like always like up here
very like Belty and like ah
and I'm like now she's like down in the basement
yes and also she grew up like okay
your voice doesn't fully we're talking for
for um
women I'll say yeah uh
your voice doesn't fully finish developing until
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around 20 so if she's singing these songs
like these songs that are already like
kind of pushing her range
yeah at 16
like yeah
how many high school musicals have you gone to where
like they're not quite hitting it the way that yeah
like
maybe they could with a little training or a little
whatever yeah
and now I like you said
like she totally knows what's
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what fits her voice
she's like really settled into her signature sound
and she's also belting like D's hmm
you know like she's still getting up there
but she's not she's not living in that
like she's not living up there the entire time
yeah
that's something we didn't touch on when we were like
yeah focus on your strengths
like that doesn't mean you should never yeah
go outside of that yeah
go outside of that I call it your prima Volta
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kind of like that sweet spot of your voice
um still go outside of that
but you that doesn't mean you have to live there yeah
constantly you don't have to live there
you don't have to do all your repertoire there
but like still push yourself
that's fun as well you know
yeah yeah yeah
yeah singer that I can think of would be Katy Perry
yeah
she's gotten a lot better
I remember watching her Super Bowl halftime show
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and I was like oh
this is a lot better than what it used to be
so she's um yeah
she's grown a lot too Rihanna is another one
oh yeah
yeah well
I think there's also something
there's a pattern here too
of these singers getting older
and kind of growing into themselves and their voices
and like
finding where they wanna identify on that
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on the artist scale yeah
yeah yeah
and then kind of seeing what fits that
and I feel like it's all very whole
if that makes sense yeah
like if Katy Perry was still singing things that were
maybe pushing her range or not quite as comfortable
but had the artistic identity of who she is now
it would be kind of misaligned
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yeah fair
that's totally fair yeah
never thought about that hmm
well there you go
that's why this is called singing to artist right
find your roots yeah
well and also like Kelly Clarkson
like in recent interviews
yeah she says like
I am a better singer now at 40
whatever than I was when I won American Idol
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yeah was it American Idol
yeah yeah
so she was already amazing back then right
and now she's like yeah
like I just I keep training my muscles
I keep maturing and it just keeps getting better
and I was like get it girl
haha yeah
anyways shall we look at some
singers doing some vocal exercises
I would love to do that let's do it
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you do exercise or how do you work that
I mean do you I still have a coach
really I do have a coach
and what does a coach do with you it's really boring
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why do you need that
it's a stretch
if you go and see a dancer stretching on the
on the floor
you might think she's very flexible wow
she can really stretch that leg
but it's not it's not choreography
it's not a it's not artistically beautiful so us
and then you go on stage and you give it
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give me a vocal warm up what do you do
well like that
this is before in the dressing room
I do this for a few different
a few different ones obviously but it's just to um
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oh
haha boring
but there you go oh
see even the best of the best have vocal coaches
oh yeah and uh
it's it's a continuous training like athletes
uh huh you have to continue training your voice uh
or like not athletes whatever it is they're
they're training for right
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like they they continue training so that they can um
stay in shape and get better
like even maintenance right
like oh yeah
maintenance like staying at your level
that also takes effort yeah
but anyway
so she did a she did a couple a couple things
lip tucks right like
s o v t semi occluded vocal tract
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it's one of those
get that reverse air pressure back to vocal fold level
yes everything out
yes the great as I
that's how I start every every warm up
s o v t
I always start with the first thing I do yeah
lip trill or like a boo what's your favorite
like a puffer fish found it
puffer fish is my favorite
um humming is okay too
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um I don't know
what's your favorite I'm a tongue trill girl
oh raspberry
raspberry raspberry
which I'll talk about
she did that she loves it
she loves it I can't sustain
like I can sustain it for a little bit and then okay
but I'm a tongue I'm a tongue check
I'm a hello can't speak
that's it's my evidence
I'm a tongue tension kind of
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kind of girl yeah
um same
my dad always told me I sound like Shakira growing up
and I was like I love Shakira
no problem now years later
I'm like oh
that's because of tongue tension
oh cause she was back here
yeah
Celine Dion also has a little bit of that for sure
tongue retraction tone
which is like a thing kind of going back
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we were talking about like signature sound
uh huh not all okay
this sound is tongue tension and also tongue retraction
yeah and if I can belt with ease with that sound
and I like the sound of it
okay go for it
yeah great
even though it's technically
technically not what we're supposed to do
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yeah right
yeah it's technically not your like clean
pure sound yeah that
why does that have to be the goal all the time
you know yeah
you know there you go
it's kind of like digging into that
yeah but um yes
she started off with those s O
V T's slides uh huh
ascending uh huh
which makes sense for the repertoire
I like them hmm
hmm yeah
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yeah yeah
you really smooth out the voice
so there's no like hmm
like no cracking or anything yeah
work your way through breaks and flexibility
Lauren flexibility especially yeah
I heard it in the lip buzz as well
the lip trill where she did chest into head
maybe I'll do it
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and she made her way into it
um
just to kind of find that flexibility between registers
and if you feel it here
now really try weighing down the bottom one
weighing down
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do you feel a little movement
yeah I move up and down
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah I mean
not up and down it just moves from down to up
yeah not up
but like back and forth but yeah
yeah I mean
your larynx
it's flexible right
and yeah it moves up and down
so and we yeah
and we want to especially for Celine Dion repertoire
where she's going all over the place
and every register all the time
yeah like
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flexibility is probably her priority when warming up
uh huh like
let me check what I got today
and then yeah
make sure that I can do it all back to back
yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah and I one more thing that I wanna touch on
yeah we'll move on to the next one is um
you know she's like
oh it's very boring
yes right
like vocal exercises not to sound great
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yeah uh huh
it's not the purpose of an exercise or a warm up right
it's
it's to exercise or to warm up not to sound amazing
yes exactly
she made an excellent analogy with the dancer
you know like a dancer
just like stretching her splits
is not as artistically beautiful as doing like
a grand jeté across the city
yeah you know
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like that's not the same as a lift where you're
you know doing all the crazy
I'm not dancing haha
well you know
I can't show it is so
you know I've
I've danced a wee bit but um
but yeah you know
it's not
but I've actually come across a handful of students
and maybe this is like teacher brain
I think that I recognize this is like
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people who maybe have a little bit of a teacher brain
or like really like to study
or they're like let's do exercises for the whole hour
hmm and I don't wanna sing a song
yeah and I'm like
I come across those people too
we're like I don't wanna work on a song
I just wanna do exercises
actually I myself take 30 minute lessons
oh that's
great and in 30 minute lessons
it's like I only got time for these exercises
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yes and like every so often
we do like five or maybe 10 minutes of a song
at the end yeah
but where I'm at in my journey right now
yeah it
the exercising is is the right thing for me
but yeah yeah
anyways let's look at another one
yes yes
it oh
do we talk Wanna talk about her brrr
oh yes
a little breath support yep
she's a little balance yeah
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the big thing for me when I do things like that
is I need to make sure that my core doesn't tighten up
so that everything gets tight in my
in my throat that's my tendency that I personally have
but yeah just like keeping that flow going
the breath flow and where do you get the support
where do you typically breathe
where do I breathe I'm a rib breather
ah like a 3 60 expansion kind of a rib breather
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3 60 haha yeah
what about you I think it depends
I'm kind of all over I don't really do low breathing
um I don't really
uh I could
I can rock a clavicular here and there
okay but like up here
yeah yeah
but nothing too crazy I would say probably a rib
alright let's have a look at Billy
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okay so that's a really short little excer
but I like this one yeah
so I wanted to
to point out what she's doing with her tongue there
yeah cause we were just talking about tongue retraction
yeah so she's kind of like
you know pushing her tongue against her her finger why
oh I love it
I love it
there are a lot of different things she could be doing
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so I'm gonna
when I first started my tongue tension journey
I created
I'm definitely not the first person in the world
to do it but I created for myself
something called reverse tongue tension okay
which meant if my tongue was gonna tense
it wasn't going back uh huh
so I was shoving my tongue basically against my teeth
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and it doesn't look like she's using as much effort
and then over time
eventually the back of my tongue was like
okay fine yeah
yeah yeah
I got it you know
relax now yeah yeah
and everything just chilled out and I mean
I kind of
I worked through that in about like a semester
semester and a half and it shows up
you know tongue tension shows up randomly
but it's it cleared up pretty quickly
because I like took on the root of the problem that's
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I gotta try she's going like
it kind of gets my soft palate up a little bit
ah
ah yeah she just like that typical breathy
yeah sound right that she's
she might even be using a melody of one of her song
I can't recognize it in the short clip
but I totally buy it but I just I like the like
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it's just not something you see all the time
so yeah it's
it's just kind of like get the tongue out of the way
like in the back right
so I like to do tongue bites like hmm
whatever she does right yeah
so just like sticking out your tongue
gently biting on it so it doesn't retract
so they get rid of that
yeah the all so she does something like that yeah
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just a different version of it uh huh
and the finger why does she do the finger
it's it's mostly like a mental thing
I think cause you can do it
it does the same thing it's just kind of like
let's get everything a little bit more forward and out
from the back yeah
it's what I think yeah
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and I mean I don't know what entanglements or
and lack thereof that she
she deals with because she's such a relax yes
she really rocks the relaxing thing yeah
um but if she struggles with jaw tension
that's a great reminder to just like stay open
keep it chill keep it relaxed yeah
it's the same thing that sometimes
just putting your hands here
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this is it just my best friend yes
it just reminds your jaw like
hey girl chill yeah
like it's yeah it's
it's all good
so that you don't have to move the jaw when you
change pitch that's a great one too
it's a something you see a lot when people
when they riff that guy like why
keep the jaw still exactly
love it yeah
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that's really interesting
that's very interesting warm up
let's do the next one ready for Christina Aguilera
I was listening to a little Christina yesterday
oh yeah after yeah
she was my biggest idol growing up
I was like I wanna be just like Christina
very different voice like from me
but I love her stuff
vocal warm UPS with falseros
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now that we're a little more open
try to take in a good
deep breath before you sustain this scale
so in the same approach I would go to the e vowel sound
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like a E E
everybody's gonna have different levels of scales
and depth that they wanna go with
take your time and really feel out
and take in these notes one at a time
and absorb the information
as you play around with the scales
so this is a little excerpt from her master class
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her master class yeah yeah
where she was teaching people how to sing
I signed up for it
cause I wanted to see like what it was like
and it was very much like
oh this is already pretty advanced yeah
but okay uh
so couple different things like she's like okay
I always start out with falsettos um
so I start out with a s o v t which
is like like yeah
usually pretty head dominant
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and then the very next thing I do is head voice
because I'm a bottom heavy person
I need to balance myself so I'm the same way
I go all the way up and I try to go as high as possible
she
and I have a different definition for what falsetto is
that's something I totally want to chat about
okay let's get into that
what is what is Spleto to you
what is spleto to me it's a breathy head voice okay
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do you think of it as like
within the realm of registration
or more as like a stylistic thing
it's a style I mean
it's a breath it's so subjective
it's yeah
what do you think for
for me yeah
for me cause for me
they have just voice and then you have the head voice
like ah and ah would be in my book falsetto
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it's the same thing but it's breathy
so it's a stylistic choice that you're making
yeah I
I agree with that I also think that in my head
the definition of falsetto occurs at a higher
like higher pitch yeah
more of like a ah
that's when I think we're getting into falsetto
so for you it's like
it's higher than head voice
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yeah like the top end of head voice
the top end of head voice with uh
like a breathy airy quality
okay fair lighter
I also think
uh I
guess it depends on the singer
but I think often
I would use the word falsetto in a contemporary sense
uh huh far more than I would and yeah
like a classical sense or musical theater
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yeah yeah yeah
higher than head voice
like going into that kind of range
obviously we have Mariah Whistle yeah
up top um
but then for me that in between that I like
that's the flash a LA in my book
like do you do flash a LA stuff
I just don't categorize it
you don't categorize it fair yeah
I never used to
until I started working with the coach I'm working
working with yeah
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now and he's like yeah
flash a LA and I'm like okay plagiarism
like so I've heard it before
but not something that my
15 other voice teachers that I've worked with
have ever talked about yeah
so
it really just kind of depends on who you're working
with have you worked with um
male voice teachers the one I'm with right now is male
yeah is he the first one
no second one
okay that was third one
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sorry third one
okay that was gonna be my question
like I wonder if that is used maybe more with maybe
yeah well
Justin Stoney from New York
Vocal Coaching also talks about the flash a LA
also another dude talking about fragile right
I've never heard a female singer talk about it
does it come from classical
don't know that could just be yeah
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or do their teachers come from classical
yeah where does it come from
I don't know huh
I'm assuming somewhere in the western classical land
probably but um
I mean it's a very French
like casually casually yeah
just the way you spell it
it's like oh my God
hold on let me
let me try and spell that
but anyway so for me again
like I like to go
stretch up as high as humanly possible for me
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which is not that high for some videos
but for me it's like oh my God
so high so um
just again to balance out my
my bottom range yeah
cause I'm very heavy yeah
when I sing yeah
so um anyways yeah
I like the light first yeah
and then what's the next thing
oh she just sustained yeah
sustained oh
she also had uh
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cicada at the end yeah
so she runs up she like stretches up with the uh
the head voice or or falsetto um
and then ends on staccato to like
finish off with that closure and that um
coordination yeah
and then the accuracy and the accuracy yeah
yeah to really just make sure you're
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you're settled in there
you're not just kind of like waving around you're
you're in control
I always love it when singers are doing staccato
exercises for the first time
and they're all like
their pitch goes all over the place and they're like
what what is happening
oh my god I don't suck that that's
but that was literally my first reaction
when I did that I was like with a new voice teacher
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I was like I promise I don't
I don't suck oh
what is going on in front of a class
we were doing in my math program
we were doing uh warm UPS in front of each other
yeah and it was just like
I had already come up a voice lesson
my voice is a little I wasn't like at full fatigue
but you know like end of an hour lesson with yeah
I like to sing
I like to sing for 59 minutes
you know like yeah
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um and so I had really used my voice a lot
and then not used it for like an hour
and I didn't have time for a cool down
cause it was like class to class
and then my class right after that
I literally I went up
and another one of my peers was warming me up
and we did a 1 8
5 one yeah
like I jumping an octave on sacudi and I was just like
(35:33):
huh
nowhere the pitch was nowhere to be found
yeah and I was like
oh what is going on
wow it's just quite quite a day
yeah and you know
that just shows you like
even if you're doing this every day
and you're like a pro singer
uh huh like if
you do a new exercise something you're not used to
like your voice needs to first
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like figure out where it's at
and that's something she brought up too
she's like take your time
uh huh oh my God
that is so important just being like alright
like let me feel this like yeah
how's my voice reacting to it
and um
something what's her face
Maddie Tarbucks love
I love okay
I can't I love her so much
okay there you go
cause you you studied with her
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she was my first teacher yeah
there you go and now we're friends and oh
I love that I just know her from the internet
text her all the time but uh
so something she talks about a lot is
when you're doing a new exercise
she does it on like the same key
cause usually you go up yeah
three or four times yeah
before you introduce any sort of change yeah
so yeah just like slow down to speed up
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uh huh slow down to speed up
that is something I tell myself all the time yeah
like in business with my voice
like sometimes you just gotta take it slow to go faster
yeah so anyways
I love that let's do maybe one more
or something else about Christina
something else about Christina
oh we can
I think we should talk about her chest voice
oh my God and everything she does
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another great example of like she's
rocking that tongue retraction
hmm and we love it
like I I eat it up yeah
you know like
oh I love her
like I don't hear her voice and think wow
she has tongue tension like I hear her and I'm like
oh my God yeah
she's and she's taking it up
I also think it's really
clear that she has a strong head voice
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because you need to balance out muscular ture
you can't belt that high if you don't have strong yeah
yeah yeah yeah yep
yep that is again
something I personally have to focus on
cause my chest voice is so heavy
I need to have the yeah
I need to have the balance
singing is all about balance
yeah right
so
even if you don't wanna sing high stuff in your songs
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you still gotta work on your head voice
yeah so that we can balance things out
and you're not getting too heavy
cause that's the mistake that I made
when I first went pro with my singing
everyone was like yeah
your chest voice your low notes incredible
like keep doing that I was like alright
cutting out head voice oh my God
and then you stop stretching
it's like it's like you stop stretching and only
only bulk up
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only lift weights and then you never stretch
and then you look like oh
and you're super tight and then you're like
you can't walk anymore
that's exactly what happened to me
like I lost so much of my range at the top
but then also like
my belting got heavier and heavier and heavier
and I got more and more and more tired with my voice
and eventually ended up with an injury
but that's a story for another point
like another time but um
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yeah balance yeah
balance balance
balance balance balance oh
and then she just like on different vowels
we didn't talk about that
but yeah but that's important right
like just exploring some different vowels
so you can do it on different sounds
because when you're singing language yes
you're gonna use different vowels
uh huh love it
let's do one more woo
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okay so something that doesn't involve the vocal folds
right cause like if you're doing this
yeah you don't feel any vibrations on your throat yeah
meaning your vocal folds are not involved
yes so which is what we want for this exercise
what is this exercise for
I would say support and control
because we're wanna make sure
be taken enough of a breath to feel full
and have enough air and then you need to
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control the pace at which it comes out
so you're not like
yeah yeah yeah
and then you're out it should be nice
and even yeah
we just had a check in session
with one of your students literally
what on Monday was it Sarah who was talking about the
yeah um
yeah just on Monday
so just a couple days ago
uh how she went from only being able to do 14 seconds
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it was like 14 seconds and she did 32 or something yeah
at the end she did 32 with just a couple weeks
like okay girl
yeah get it
get it so yeah
so breath control and why okay so why do the
and not just yeah
the entire time what's that for
I would say that that might actually
(39:56):
well I mean
they're both support and control but um
we could be doing a little bit of core work there
depending on where you're controlling it
um that would be leaning towards support
yeah and control would be
if you're just managing it at this level
at here yeah full level
to make sure that you can start and stop and there
(40:17):
there's not leakage in between
it's not yeah
yes you know
otherwise we're we're totally out of control
and we need to work on that
I was just working with a student on that
the like making a pause even with your breath
like in a song cause it was really weird
like when it was um
like the two phrases were connected
I was like no
(40:37):
they have to be completely disconnected
cause otherwise it just it doesn't fit the song
yeah and uh
so she stopped singing in between
so she stopped like holding out the note for too
for really long but then the breath was still going
I'm like no
no no no
even the breath gotta stop the breath too
and then she heard it and was like
oh my God that sounds so much better
I'm like yeah yeah
had she Learned that somewhere
or is that just
(40:58):
the idea of singing that I think every individual has
is so interesting and how that
like over singing is something that I see a lot where
you know
people are just holding out notes for the sake of
holding out notes yeah
why we're in the first verse
let's keep it more conversational
(41:19):
let's keep it let's keep it simple right
but um
it was this specific example was like
in the middle of a phrase
yeah but it was literally written with a comma
uh and it was
it was an Imagine Dragon song and I was like
nope nope
nope nope
we gotta we gotta
gotta disconnect these yeah
but anyways so yeah
so even not vocal fold stuff yeah
(41:41):
can be useful to practice for your singing
yeah right
yeah exactly
so we looked at a couple different exercises
what's your favorite exercise um
that I do
I got this from one of my peers in grad school
every time I introduce it to a student
it breaks their brain I don't
I don't know how I think
it's just because they're not expecting something off
a major or a genius
(42:02):
um but it's my
okay and we take it up and melt it
Mama yes
and then just like add a little swing to it Mama
Mama that's like right over my break
(42:23):
you couldn't have picked a worse key
but okay that's where I'm speaking yeah
see for me
it's like I'm like way down here
yeah Mama Mama
that be a lot easier for me yeah
yeah and that's Ma that's reaching like my bottom
oh really
when I'm talking in my fry right now yeah
like ma ma mom
(42:44):
not even gonna pretend LA LA LA
but again yeah
you know we're just different people yeah
we just different voices yeah
so anyways yeah
I would I would say my favorite um
is Cici see
see see
see see
see see
it really helps me go higher
without dragging too much weight up with me
it's interesting
and you're also getting some nice air flow with that
(43:05):
yes C
C C
C C
C C
I like C over like he he he he
cause the huh exactly yeah
when I do huh it's oh
everything starts squeezing
yeah C
I don't have that issue that's it
I love a Z for the same reason
Z C ah
Z Z or C C Z Z
I mean I don't do this exact exercise
but I will do like a Z Z Z
(43:28):
yeah live on the Z for a second one to show you that
like try phonating on your consonants
I think we have a pop
song exercise that goes something like ze
may moo um Bailey lelu zoes zays yeah
(43:51):
zays I can't believe that just yes
I cannot believe that I just came to myself flowers
I can love me better
hahaha hahaha hahaha I remember
(44:11):
there you go okay
so there's no Z
there's no Z but but you could totally go mommy
yeah yo instead of a LA LA LA yeah
yeah right
just depending on what you yeah
you need to work on but
but there is another one where you have the you do
but I I can't believe that just came to be any
which one of them
(44:31):
just go through the hundred of our pop song exercises
and you'll find it but anyways
love it yeah
thank you
I think that wraps it up so anyone can learn to sing
yes
some people might start at 60 others might start at 10
but everyone can get
can improve and get better and get to a really
really good pro level whatever that means yeah
(44:52):
um vocal exercises are important yeah
warm up come be real warm up warm up your voice
it's not gonna hurt you it's only gonna help yeah
uh pay attention to what singing feels like
warm up for like 15 minutes
like you don't need to warm up for like an hour
oh no no no no no if you okay
if you wake up at 6:00am and have an audition at 6:30
like
maybe you can make noise for those whole 30 minutes
(45:12):
yeah well
I mean we have warm up tracks and exercise tracks
and they're all between eight to 12 minutes yeah
so you know
like you rarely need more than 20
20 is typically pushing it
if you tack on skill acquisition girl
if I am not warm after 20 minutes or 30 minutes
I call it a day well
I'm like because it's not gonna happen yeah
because I mean
there's so many external factors that affect your voice
too like you
(45:33):
like I'm getting over a
or I'm on the other side of a cold
but I still like now I'm waking up with like
a little bit of extra mucus
a little bit of extra like
uh yeah
and so when I warm up I'm gonna have to do
actually
I love a Z cause I Learned this from Maddie as well
like it kind of shakes up your mucus
hmm especially if you lean into the vibration yeah
(45:53):
like I'm gonna have to spend a little extra time there
yeah yeah
but anyway feel it
like take your time
feel into it yeah
I mean Christina Giorgi said that perfectly right yeah
take your time feel into it
don't do things for the sake of doing them
know why know why
at least a little bit you don't need to be like the
yeah like the laryngeal tilt or whatever like yeah
(46:14):
who cares like we
know we need to know that yeah
yeah but the singer doesn't need to know that yes
yeah
it's the best that we know and if you are interested
let's talk about it and you know like well
yeah yeah yeah
we'll fill you in on the anatomy and all that stuff
but you know at least like
this is an exercise that's gonna help me with uh yeah
and then you can focus on that
I always my warm up checklist is s o v
(46:35):
t through my range hit my head voice
hit my chest voice hit my mix then I know I'm balanced
yeah um
if I'm belting which I probably am
do a little belt that'll probably take me to 15 minutes
yeah if I need to
sometimes I'll like
go really up in the rafters of head voice
if I get too excited or need to yeah
or I'm like what's up there today
(46:55):
and sometimes I'll explore the depths of chest voice
if I feel feel moved to do so
but again like hit your basics
yeah doesn't have to be too crazy
yeah I love that amazing
thank you Emily
yes thank you for having me
of course of course
if you have any questions
let us know shoot us an email
we're happy to help but thanks for joining
and we'll see you in the next one
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