September 12, 2025 • 45 mins
It’s time for some more unhinged Reddit stories - this time all around singing at weddings! I don’t know what it is about people getting married, but they become some of the most entitled people ever!
The whole VoxTape Team got together for this episode and we all shared our own stories from singing at weddings and how to handle being asked to sing at a wedding.
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am I the asshole for refusing to sing a song
(00:02):
I've written for my girlfriend
on my sister's wedding
my sister was very touched
and she asked me to play the song on her wedding day
for her and her husband I said
I can try making another song for them
if I have the time and inspiration
but I don't want to play this one
because it's personal for me and my girlfriend
and it's about our relationship
(00:24):
she insisted that it would be not a big deal
and she wants me to play the song
I said I don't want to it's personal
she then pulled the it's my wedding card
I'm your sister
you can't you do this one favor for me so weird
it's like being if they're like
oh your diary is really poetic
could you read that as a passage during our wedding
(00:46):
yeah it's like
that's the first thing that I thought of
it's like why
let's take these things that you
you know very kindly shared with your family
cause you didn't have to they're like
oh can we hear it
you know and put it on a stage in front of people
and it's God
that's so no
it's so yeah
yeah and I think yeah
it would be so deeply uncomfortable
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welcome to another probably unhinged episode
cause we got the whole team here
whole box team and we're looking at Reddit stories
from singers that were asked to sing at weddings
(01:59):
and girl it went south
with me I have coach Juliana
coach Emily Briana
say hey and Coach Kate
hey and pickle
and pickle
very special guest love it
love it love it
um I would say without further ado
let's just jump right into the stories
am I the asshole for canceling going to a wedding
(02:22):
because I was supposed to sing
without anyone informing me
okay NTA
um what I was or am going
I have no idea yet to a wedding today
it's okay here I'm not in the US currently
oh this post is from 5 years ago Covid
yeah there you go
okay
we were both invited to a wedding to one of his cousins
(02:42):
I do singing like semi professionally
and I'm known in some areas
but I am not famous
and generally people wouldn't know me
so no one had told either of us
that they wanted me to have a performance
which honestly costs quite a lot
since it's private and I only do maybe three a year
I've only done it as a gift to my best friend
(03:04):
like normally they would have to schedule in advance
I've reviewed my own cousins
I know people think that it's rude
and maybe even inconsiderate
but I don't want to do it if I don't connect
if
if you don't connect with me unless you want me to sing
Alrighty
so we are staying at the hotel where it's happening
and the mother of the groom
(03:25):
came and knocked on our door
and told me to go and rehearse
to get a feel for the stage
they have set up an entire agenda for me
which songs I am supposed to do
was that plural yep songs
not just one song multiple songs
I was flabbergasted and just closed the damn door
(03:45):
and yelled at my significant other
it's his damn family I am not ready for a performance
I didn't bring my performance gear
my sister sews dresses and does my outfits
I haven't had a cut for my hair
since the plague happened
and most importantly they didn't ask me
they just assumed it's really rude and inconsiderate
(04:06):
I don't even have my band here
like they are the most important people
I look cray without them it's just a mess uh
there's just a myriad of reasons why I am not doing it
I've told them no they don't think that's fair
I feel like I am being fair
apparently
we weren't even going to eat during the wedding
(04:28):
oh I flat out refused
now people are fucking pissed at me for being this way
I'm getting told you aren't that famous
don't flatter yourself
etcetera and that I'm tearing the family apart
how selfish I am and just all in all
a really bad time for me
I feel like I'm not really an asshole
my significant other doesn't think I'm an asshole
(04:49):
but his father does as well as his cousin's family edit
sorry I'm English second language
so there has to be some spelling mistakes
and errors in the text I'm sorry
and another edit I'm sorry guys
but I didn't end up going
so no false AF singing for me
I ended up together with the
with significant other at another hotel
(05:10):
getting sloppy drunk yeah
and ate lots of really good tacos
I still got a lot of shit from it from my family
but it is what it is
OK as someone who has literally experienced this like
and Laura I don't know if you experienced this too
but as soon as you get engaged
people be crazy haha
(05:30):
people be crazy I don't know if it happened to you
but people start giving you opinions thoughts
feelings vibes
like
and and some of them are good
like some of them are helpful
some of them are good but like
then
sometimes something comes completely out of left field
and you're like what the hell
like what you know
like what the hell
so people be crazy when it comes to their wedding
(05:52):
because they for a lot of people
your wedding is like the best
most important day of your life
it's
you're supposed to look the best you've ever looked
you're supposed to and you expect people to like
fall to their feet for you
you know what I mean when it's your wedding day
and I think that these people just
they have a lot of audacity
and yeah they what
(06:14):
who doesn't even ask someone
that's crazy that's the crazy songs
like what if
what if this person doesn't know these songs
yeah literally
that's so why has none of it ever been communicated
also
I don't sing for free
yeah especially if it's
whether it's half professional or semi or whatever
a little it's still a performance yeah
(06:38):
if it was like a very close personal friends
like listen
maybe I'll like sing a song honestly
like you know what I mean
but like you sang at your brother's wedding right
yes so I sang at my brother's wedding
I sang two songs there
and I sang at my sister in law's wedding
and I sang just one song there
her father was playing the piano
and I was singing and these were yeah
(06:59):
it was it was really nice
but also I've never been so nervous in my life
oh my god because it was during the ceremony
and like my sister in law
my my brother's that's the monster in law yeah
that they were walking down the aisle when I was scary
and the other one was in the middle of the
the ceremony and so everybody pays attention to you
yeah that's high stakes that's very high stakes
(07:20):
it's very very scary and like I
I did it for them because I love them
and I wasn't gonna charge them for it um
I sang at my own wedding too
and my mom was begging me to sing at my own wedding
and I was like mom
this is my job I don't really want to sing
I don't really want to sing at my own wedding
and she's like
but we're all coming over from Switzerland
(07:42):
please please please and I was like okay
sure I'll sing one song I sing an original song
but it's about grant is it about your husband
yes it is about grant
so I did that but you know
it's like
I don't really want to work on my wedding day
but I did it for my mom for my family
cause they flew all over from like
(08:02):
I'm from Switzerland
so that's the least I could do for them wait
did you release that song
sometimes bullying is I did release that song yeah
yeah it's on all streaming platforms
it's called until now no
don't listen to it no
I've seen it
families wedding and it's meant a lot to me
um but I wanna be like
very clear that it was like a song or two
(08:22):
like during the ceremony and not during the reception
and like unless it was like a first dance song I'm like
family if you're listening
I'm not your wedding bands yeah
yeah and nobody else
I wanna be able like
be there for you and support you in this way and like
enjoy your wedding yeah
and you're working exactly
and not enjoying the wedding and the food okay
(08:44):
can we talk about that
because I do wedding singing professionally Kate
I think you do wedding singing professionally
it's in my contract writer
every goddamn time you have to have
it's in the writer if you don't beat us
we're not playing for you
you can't have us like you need to have a
a um
what do they call it a
a Jesus why can't I think green room
no there needs to be like a
(09:05):
a vendor meal yeah
vendor meal
there's a set time for when we have to eat that
it's at least 30
usually we like to have a little bit longer
but at least 30 minutes and um
that we're able to accommodate for all dietary needs
and the thing that
is really nice is when sometimes they will let you
(09:26):
sometimes they will let you
like sometimes they will let you go to cocktail hour
but that's only happened a couple times
so you know in that case you're like
you're getting oysters
you're getting shrimp you're getting you know
all the good stuff but most of the time or ah
I remember what I was gonna say if you don't get fed
you should have a 25 dollar stipend
included in your pay to
(09:47):
so you can get food because when are you gonna eat
and honestly
between like a 6:00 and a midnight in this day and age
it should be more than $25 yeah
yeah put that on the client
that gets you nothing that's in the contract like yeah
which yeah also going back to working right
like I'd rather just enjoy your yeah
your wedding yeah um
(10:08):
at the end of the day opportunity doesn't pay the rent
and a lot of people will be like oh
isn't this a great opportunity
or or aren't you my friend
my cousin aren't you like don't you want to sing
don't you want to help me
of course I want to help you
but I also need this is my livelihood
this isn't like a fun hobby
you know what I mean this is how I make money
and in the context of somebody's wedding
(10:28):
like I don't you're prepped to pay
I'm not ever like
hearing about friends or family getting
married and being like oh my God
I hope they I hope they ask me to sing at their wedding
I really want that opportunity to perform
what the hell no
no what are you thinking
like that I'm like no
if you like
think it would make your day special to like
have me be involved in a specific way that you like
(10:50):
feel like would be special
I'd be happy yeah
to do that I just ask and like really yeah communicate
yes communicate yeah
yeah yeah
I think the audacity
I'm just so stuck on the audacity of the non
communication no
that's really the no food
yeah the no
the no food for the multiple songs
that's crazy
you just deciding this wedding guest is now my employee
(11:12):
there is like this culture though within weddings that
where people just like expect like this
like they expect so much it's so strange every time
yeah like I don't know what it is when like
it's just like your like sense of like awareness
like emotional awareness like
where's like
turns off when like weddings come into play
and I don't understand why
(11:32):
it's like the weirdest thing
and maybe it's like a
I don't know if it's different here in this country
but like in America at least it's like uh
awareness of like finances
awareness of like people's boundaries
yeah off switch
oh yeah
it's it's so interesting
it's me me
me me me yeah
and what I say goes and everybody else has to back
and then every yeah
(11:53):
and everybody's like well
you can't put a price on love
you might as well spend all the money you can
you might as well do all these things
just assume all of these things
and it's like uh
actually this is this is like an 8 hour day
and like this is not real life
yeah yeah yeah
it's not how it works it's not a movie right
yeah exactly
so and for these people to do this
it's crazy it's crazy
(12:13):
I wanna see your comments
not the asshole the comments
oh I don't even know
they're definitely not the asshole
yeah not at all
but they hear like you aren't that famous
don't flatter yourself that's crazy
that's crazy
because they were expecting that person to sing
and also if you fucked up on your end
and you forgot to ask or whatever
then insulting that person
(12:36):
not helpful is not helpful
is the asshole move oh yeah yeah
you are the asshole evil
not the here's my
so here's my only thing about this
that might have been miscommunicated
she
she I assume
so she might have assumed
they might have the
the family might have assumed because
(12:56):
you know you kind of have to like go into like
what is going through the other people's heads
you know the family might have assumed
this person is a part of our family
maybe they're not married
but maybe they've been around for a while
this person is a part of our family
oh well
we're family
family does these things like we were saying
we would do these things for our family
of course
(13:17):
the Assumption there but I need more context
I feel like there's gotta be something else
like there's gotta be a mistake
did they ask and this person forgot
I don't know I
or did they ask the significant other who is related
and the significant other forgot yeah
forgot to communicate
but it sounds like they were blindsided too
yeah and honestly
I'm like so happy to hear the end of the story
(13:40):
where the partner also didn't attend the wedding yeah
like thank god
oh that's that's it
you got a good team right there
and good for her for saying no right
yeah a lot of times
it's hard for us to stand up for ourselves
and just set that boundary and be like
absolutely not also
it sounds like the partner isn't really that close
with this particular like
part of the family if they were like
(14:01):
well I'm just not gonna go to the wedding
cause like I don't know
if I was in like
a situation where my partner couldn't come
I would probably still attend the wedding
cause to not go to a wedding
the day that the wedding is happening
that's a like I know they discuss that
that might not be like that big of a deal
oh no
they were talking about Covid
to not to just not show up to a wedding is like low key
kind of like the biggest dick move
(14:22):
yeah because that shit is expensive
yeah you know
don't just like not show up
you know so like
I'm guessing this wasn't a bridge
that they felt like they needed to continue to have
oh there's a good comment here
oh yeah
you are a person not a jukebox
you get to decide when where and if you sing
yes absolutely
(14:43):
absolutely I yeah
I bet there was a comment somewhere
months before the wedding where someone was like
oh this your your
your partner sings right
and they're like yeah
oh it would be so cool if she sang at the wedding
oh yeah
I'm sure she would love that
yeah end of conversation
then they put her on the calendar and didn't tell her
yeah like
and that's not that's still not asking
that's still not asking
there is another comment asking like
(15:04):
what does your significant other have to say about this
uh and then they answered
he is shocked and isn't talking to his own father
oh
that's interesting
when his aunt came knocking on our door
he was just as shocked as me
uh but
I know that his father has bragged
a lot about what I have been doing earlier
my significant other rarely mentions it
(15:26):
by my request nice okay
so it sounds like maybe there's some daddy issues
the father was like talking the entitlement Batman
was like talking of this person yeah
so much to the family that it
it was like maybe his promise yeah
I think so yeah
probably and now he like can't handle the yeah
(15:47):
uh oh
is someone having the consequences of their actions
I know yeah
yeah for sure
I know
I know the consequences of my actions or inactions
inactions yeah
oh man yeah
that's rough though yeah
good for them I don't know what I would have done
I feel like I would have so come to the pressure
and just
I think that I would have to because I have been like
(16:10):
well it's their wedding day
I'm not gonna ruin their wedding day
which is like also what about me
but but it's like the
that's the first thought that goes through my head
not that she's wrong but just that like I yeah
I probably would have been like
I feel like depending on who was I guessing
I would have gone either way
I think I would have been uncomfortable
if it were my partner's family yeah
(16:31):
yeah like
and me rejecting that so outright the day before
I would be like ah
ah ah
because like those are people
you always want to make a good impression on right yeah
that would put a really big like wall up
I think between your your family's relationship yeah
you know with you and your partner
and I always say you like
you don't just marry one person
(16:51):
yeah family
marry the family too so I totally get that
I probably also would have just done it
yeah and maybe like with certain songs
um
like just be like hey
I don't know the song
I'm not completely singing the song
but I'll do this this is like that yeah
yeah yeah
yeah but it's a compromise
yeah and the fourth choice yeah
I think it's good that she didn't do it
(17:13):
no that's really awesome
I don't know if I have the balls
yeah I don't know if I have it in me
yeah also
uh you two have sung at weddings before
have you sung at weddings before
uh twice
twice okay
how like for family and like one song
yeah I mean same
same for me uh
and you guys are getting paid to do it
uh I have never felt more nervous then singing yeah
(17:36):
at a wedding because I'm like
I don't want to ruin their day
like what you just said Emily
like
I want this to be a great experience for the couple
I don't even care about myself
but for the couple right
I want I wanna do my best
and I was so nervous how did
how did you feel Juliana
yeah nerve wracking for sure
yeah I also had to play guitar
oh yeah it's like two things at once player um
(17:59):
but it was really cute and like now I watch the video
I'm like oh yeah yeah
but yeah it's nerve wracking
yeah for Tracy's even if you prepare yeah
yeah for sure
because there's like a
an emotional connection and attachment to that yeah
don't know how you sing at your own wedding
that's so cool like
I don't think I could have been like
oh my God I wouldn't know
I could have sue well
(18:19):
thank you thank you
thank you are you gonna sing at your wedding Kate
um
I don't think that there's gonna be any formal singing
but we did kind of like decide maybe the last like
20 minutes is karaoke you know what I mean
yeah that's like
you know cause like
a lot of my friends are also like musician singers
so like it will you know
like yeah
it's not gonna it's not serious um
but you know we did say like yeah OK
like we asked the DJ like
(18:40):
can you bring
it's also not like an annoying vanity thing
it's like literally yeah
it's just for fun for fun
for fun for fun
like I love that yeah
so you know
that that's kind of the extent
I think that's cause I
cause Elliot is also a singer
and he doesn't want to sing at his wedding
you know like
but you know yeah yeah
oh for me
when I'm singing at people's weddings
I don't know them at all yeah
(19:01):
so I'm kind of in this like
situation where I'm like
seeing like this like couple and like
I see the I see the toasts
I see like their first dance
I see all these things but I don't know them at all
right so kind of detaches a little bit
but I do like listening to the speeches
I think the speeches are really cute
doing receptions yeah
yeah OK
like mostly reception music like party like yeah yeah
(19:21):
you know we're doing like fireball and like yeah yeah
you know and stuff like that yeah
literally like um
if I ever sing shout again
but um
I've been haunted by that one
yeah literally
it just keeps going
going it just keeps going
um
yeah but yeah
so I don't I don't feel that
but I do like you know
(19:42):
you wanna make sure you're being yeah
like you
you don't wanna be off key at someone else's wedding
cause all of the the audience
like the dancers will look at you like if you mess up
like they'll be like wait a second
this is not the recording
this isn't live or this is live
you know like
yeah but yeah
that's but definitely like
I am always way more nervous
performing or singing for people
(20:03):
that are near and dear to my heart 100%
that's what I was gonna say too
like the times that I've sang at family's wedding um
or a close friend that's like I'm doing a
a song that's like an intimate part of the ceremony
or like part of the reception
like in the first dances or something or yeah
the song that the bride is walking down the aisle
that's way more high stakes right
like that is like oh my gosh
(20:25):
don't fuck up don't fuck up
don't fuck up
yeah but the times that like
me and my jazz band go and we play for cocktail hour um
or for dinner like 1
I love that music that we get to play
so I'm just having fun
I've played with my guys for years
like we're just having fun together
and two it's like we're just pretty wallpaper
(20:46):
like I was gonna say nobody's attention to us
so like yeah
it's important that we don't like
totally go off the rails but like for the most part
nobody really cares what we're doing
as long as we're just like adding to the ambiance
yeah yeah
but I played like the party sets at
at the receptions too
and those are always really fun and less nerve wracking
cause at that point
most of the audience people will be drunk
(21:06):
they're also drunk yeah
yeah so no
I haven't done anything like that
it's just you know
like walking down the aisle
or in the middle of the ceremony
yeah at my sister in law's wedding
it was in the middle of the ceremony for some reason
damn and everybody looks at you
yeah and it's like
oh my God oh my God
oh my God yeah
yeah but anyways
we have another one that's also
(21:29):
am I the asshole
for refusing to sing at someone's wedding
and so it's kind of a similar situation
but totally different do we want to get into this one
yeah yeah yeah
alright so
am I the asshole
for refusing to sing at someone's wedding
so I am a singer and I have been doing gigs in my city
for the last 3 years I'd like to preface that
(21:51):
usually these gigs are free entry
and only at very rare occasions
where I need to charge for tickets
these are usually limited to £10 a ticket
which I think is extremely fair
correct me if I'm wrong fair
I recently
received a message from someone I went to school with
we'll call her Claire like my sister in law Claire Bear
but the other one I love fake names and Reddit stories
(22:12):
hahaha
um it's like a fan fiction
yeah hahaha
Claire was a year above me
and we never interacted at all through school
we had no mutual friends or anything
linking us together
I now regularly post covers and my own songs
uh yeah
I own my own songs on my social media
and although I don't really have any following
(22:34):
I love what I do and try to post regularly
it's a New Year's resolution of mine
I recently received a message from Claire
asking me to sing at her wedding
honestly I was honored
I've
never been asked to sing a song at someone's wedding
before
and it would be the first truly personal occasion
I've sing it
a professional occasion oh no
(22:54):
personal occasion it says personal occasion of singing
anyways uh
I asked Claire firstly
what she wanted to be sung in regards to
was it just the first dance or walking down the aisle
or fully singing for the reception
I also asked her to let me know what songs she wanted
regardless of when they were sung
so I could best tell
if I was going to be the best singer
(23:15):
very smart the last thing I'd want to do is agree
and then do a terrible job
singing a song I'm not confident in
at the most important day of someone's life yep
she messaged me back
and said that it would be the first dance
and for at least two hours of the reception
before the DJ took over I proceeded to let her know
that this would be the first occasion
I've done in such an event
(23:36):
and I would do it for £90 an hour in total
she needed me for three to four hours
I really don't think I was asking for a lot
um
compared to what other bands and singers would ask for
please correct me if I'm wrong
she messaged back with shock and said
she assumed I do it for free
as I am quote
(23:57):
just a pub singer and I'm not exactly making money
as it was I was taken aback
I then said that I would do it for £70 an hour
if she was willing to compromise
she insisted I do it for free
and she said she would make sure I was given
food and drink at the wedding
to compensate no
I've now told her I won't be singing at her wedding
(24:17):
as I feel as
as I feel I've given her a deal
and she was asking for too much
she said she would tell all her friends about me
and post my social media if I did it for free
but I just didn't know that that like I
but I just didn't know if that's justifiable nope
no as I am not a seasoned professional
I am now wondering if what
if what I did was wrong in my pricing
(24:41):
am I the asshole for saying no
no
no no
no hahaha
also go ahead and make it a clean hundo babes yeah
per hour yeah
yeah dang it
um okay
I love this person's approach to this situation
(25:02):
um it's very gentle
it's very gentle yeah
and also very brave to offer to still like to say yes
because as a first wedding
to put together a two hour set for the reception
oh my is a lot that's a like
do you understand the preparation that goes into that
you have to figure out
how many songs do I need to fill two hours
(25:22):
what are situationally appropriate songs to sing
during those two hours what are the break up songs
situationally appropriate songs
can I actually execute well
which I love that she mentioned or here the order
whoever this was mentioned that yeah
in there um
the order of the songs and like the vibe in the room
yes people aren't vibing with the songs
(25:42):
how many fast songs do you need to play
before you can play a slow song
how many slow songs are too many slow songs
yeah um
when do you physically need a break
yes yeah yeah
um wow
holy moly that was enraging to listen to
they're not even friends yeah
yeah literally I
they just happen to go to the same school
(26:02):
and also like we all started by singing
making no money
because we were learning and pursuing it
because we loved it
and then we got good enough that we could be hired
for it and now we are all making livings doing this
and singing professionally and coaching professionally
yeah and um
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a wedding is a moment that that is a that is a business
yes transaction yeah
any performer artist coach
whatever like any private event
assume that they're gonna do it for free like no
it's their time they're putting
it's so rude so many things
think of how many hours went into like
getting good enough that you would even think that yeah
you know what
that voice is a voice that I would want to have
(26:45):
and within that same day like that whole Saturday
she's not gonna be able to do anything else
other than show up at your freaking wedding yeah
and sing for free like nah
no weddings are also like
one of the more steady
sources of income for a lot of performers
like in general yeah
so I worked for a wedding band one time
like in the admin and and it's good money
(27:09):
there's something so enraging about
and in both of these stories
had it where they were like well
you're just like you're just a pub singer yeah
why don't you what do you mean
just you're a professional singer professional
you can be a professional anything at any level yeah
if you're making money doing it
I love I love going out on the town
and going to a little festival
(27:30):
where everybody sells their crafts yeah
I don't you know like
I'm not gonna say you're just a
you're just a candle maker
why are you charging me for this thing
like you're not gonna say that about any good
so why are you saying saying it about a service
a service that is so that you're asking for yeah yeah
you're required you're asking a lot a lot yeah
you can say just the pub singer
but next time you go to a bar
(27:51):
ask them like go to a bar where it's silent
I dare you to find a bar where it's it
there is no music and it's quiet
even if it's even if it's just the radio
like
it's so integral to society and to the environment
that it is so enraging to hear so many people
(28:11):
not just in these stories
but just in general operate as if artists
don't deserve to be making art for a living
when it's all you it's all you consume
everybody has a binge watching show
everybody has a favorite song
everybody has a favorite band
and you think they should be doing that for free
just because it's not surgery
listen surgery is very important
(28:32):
dare I say more um
but at the same time
like everybody needs to take an art
it is what keeps the world turning literally
it's a part of me like culture
it's a part of existence it is culture
mental health mental health yeah
yes literally 100% yeah
so just to reduce any sort of artist to just a
(28:54):
blank thing therefore you don't deserve because what
what she's telling her is well
because you only perform at this level
you don't deserve to be uh
a professional at my wedding
yeah and it's a confusing
like mixed signal situation where it's like
I value your services enough to want it
for my biggest the biggest day of my life
(29:16):
but I don't value you enough to pay you
why would you think that yeah
yeah that is so contradictory
oh my God that's ridiculous
also going back to the exposure thing
like Kate you said that earlier exposure
exposure doesn't pay the rent
no yeah
and she was like I'll post about you on social media
okay okay cool
so awesome that literally means nothing
no uh
what do you have a million followers like oh
(29:37):
even then yeah
it means absolutely nothing
yeah and so here's the thing
like I see this with Vogue Safe Studios
we have brands sometimes reaching out and like hey
can you create a video about our product
we'll send you the product for free
no I'm sorry no
OK are you gonna compensate me for my time
to make the video as well
exactly you have to
(29:58):
like your free product is not paying my bills
you have to pay me
for the time that it takes me to create a video on like
reviewing your thing and um
and also if it's just like affiliate stuff too
where it's like
we'll give you an affiliate code and then
you know you
you earn a 5% commission or a 10% commission
and what not
(30:20):
sorry not good enough
like I need to be paid for my time
sure if we do like a
an affiliate and like like if we do a combination
of the two
the initial price can come down a little bit maybe sure
okay but like you have to be paid for your time yeah
yeah
which the unfortunate and like tricky thing there is
(30:40):
there's always gonna be people that are actually
willing to do it for free
and they're
undercutting everyone else that is actually trying
and able
and qualified to make a living doing stuff like this
yeah but if you're doing everything for free
you're gonna hit your wall
yeah well
I think most people that I'm thinking of in that
instance instance is like
you have a full time job
in a completely different industry
and you're doing it as a hobby
(31:00):
and you're doing it just because like
you enjoy it so much well
I do enjoy it so much but I also know that
the bills I do on my table with it yeah
you know yeah
and I want to do yeah this is my life
this is my life's work also the performance
the the wedding band performance
or the two hour
set that you're gonna get from somebody who dedicates
their their time and energy and life to
(31:24):
this is going to be
different than somebody who has a full time job
and then messes around with their band in the evenings
not saying that that doesn't mean
you know that
that means that the other person is gonna put on a
lower quality performance
but if you want something organized if you want
like the wedding band experience
the thing that people pay a lot of money for a lot yeah
(31:44):
like add a lot of zeros on those 90 pounds
90 pounds and then dropping to 70 an hour
oh my god yeah yeah
oh I know we have friends like grant and I
we have just friends that they got married
they hired a band 5 figure check yep yep
well you gotta pay the sound
you gotta pay the oh yeah
you gotta pay every single yeah
(32:06):
nice play every yeah
and you want you want horns
add another zero and you're
expecting that band to bring their own sound system
oh yeah
and so you have all the there needs to be a sound guy
there needs to be all the mics
all the things that you need in order
there needs to be a guy holding an iPad
doing the adjustments from the dance floor
like there's so many things going on yeah
which I get for like the average person who's like
(32:27):
not involved in like
performance and performing industry
like
those are a lot of things that you've probably never
ever thought about that go into like
a performance at a wedding or any other event
um but just it just takes
it just takes a Google search
it just takes a question yeah
it just takes a asking
like be curious and like think that you
it's not as simple yeah
(32:48):
as you think it is the starving artist is out yeah
so out and also
you would never ask
a guitar player to play in your band
for free yeah
that's embarrassing it's embarrassing
I would be so embarrassed
I would ask a singer I would be so embarrassed
to ask somebody to do something for free
oh my God are you gonna ask your friend
who's a chef to cook for 100 people for free
(33:10):
no hell no
no if you want free music at your wedding
bring the things you already own and do it yourself
connect your iPod to the the Bluetooth speaker
that's cause that is what that's so funny
you want
but you want this like high quality thing for free
you wouldn't ask a DJ to play your wedding for free
well actually
one of the comments here said that
(33:31):
just extend your DJ for 2 hours right yeah
literally
cause they have a DJ
and I wonder how much they're paying for the DJ
which yeah likely is a day rate and not hourly rate
yeah there's not yeah
and they might be like okay
well to do this many more hours of like me being like
on like it'll be this little bit more
but it's not gonna like
it probably wouldn't double their rate
(33:53):
or anything close to that no
Alrighty shall we do one more
yes dude
yeah am I the asshole for refusing to sing a song
am I the asshole
I've written for my girlfriend on my sister's wedding
I am a sucker for music and songwriting
I haven't written many songs
let alone record but I had good inspiration
and wrote a very touchy one for my girlfriend
(34:13):
who I've been with for three years
I have even synthesized music for it
and want to record it
and personally give it to my girlfriend
since it's special for us
that's so sweet
my family asked me to play them the song
since it's my first song that I finished
and I did
my sister was very touched
and she asked me to play the song on her wedding day
(34:35):
for her and her husband I said
I can try making another song for them
if I have the time and inspiration
but I don't want to play this one
because it's personal for me and my girlfriend
and it's about our relationship
she insisted that it would be not a big deal
and she wants me to play the song
I said I don't want to it's personal
(34:57):
she then pulled the it's my wedding card
I'm your sister you can't you do this one favor for me
can't you make your sister happy
I said again no
I told her
I tried to write another one for her and her husband
but I am not playing mine
plus it would be more touching for me to write
their own song
she and my parents then proceeded to claim that
(35:19):
it would be more appropriate for me to sing that song
for my sister and her husband
on their wedding day
since they've officiated their relationship
and officiated made it official
and are not just boyfriend and girlfriend
so okay
damn that is so fucking rude yeah
being like
(35:40):
your relationship isn't really like that serious
their relationship is official
yours doesn't mean anything'cause you're just boyfriend
girlfriend no okay
that's a dick move yeah
that hit the nail on the head for me
and I said you know what
fuck you all for what you're doing
this isn't fair at all
and the fact that you're undermining my relationship
(36:00):
to make a point is shitty
my parents
my sister and her husband are now bugging me about this
they say I'm a very selfish person
who can't do a small favor for his sister
and I am very uptight about it
am I the asshole no
no dude no
oh my God
(36:20):
I have some thoughts okay
I want you to imagine for a second
before I get into my other thoughts
oh Lord
imagine that this person said yes
and sang that song at the sister's wedding anyway
and put on that performance
and was deeply uncomfortable and not in it
and outside of their own body the whole fucking time
because that's what would have happened yeah
(36:42):
if they had said yes and it would have been horrible
and everybody would have felt how uncomfortable it is
and maybe
maybe I wish that would have happened just a little bit
so these jerk faces could be put in their place
and made to understand
how uncomfortable you're making this person feel
yeah right
like sit in the discomfort of your like
actions actions yeah yeah
(37:04):
um yeah
wow I
two thoughts
I would be so icked out as a guest at this wedding yeah
I was like the brother is singing about his girlfriend
but the girlfriend is taking it
or the yeah
but the sister is taking it as something
she wants it to be her love story
I'd be like this is getting a little weird
(37:25):
this is getting a little weird
um is that incestuous
I hear
yeah no
and I I
I'm gonna go ahead and give them
the benefit of the doubt
that that's not what came to mind
when the when the sister was thinking about this sorry
but that's where my brain went um
and the other thing what was it
I don't know it'll
it'll come back to me someone else talk well
(37:47):
they literally
offered to write a custom song for the couple
that is so much why would you turn that down
yeah yeah
and that's harder that's not yeah
that's and it's harder to be more meaningful
yeah that's what makes it weird
well it's yeah
what so weird it's like being
if they're like oh
your diary is really poetic
could you read that as a passage during our wedding
yeah it's like that's the first thing that I thought of
(38:08):
it's like why let's take these things that you
you know very kindly shared with your family
cause you didn't have to they're like
oh can we hear it
you know
and put it on a stage in front of people and it's God
that's so no it's so yeah
yeah and I think yeah
it would be so deeply uncomfortable
and also like
(38:29):
what if he was gonna propose to his girlfriend
and get married
and he wanted to play it at his wedding right
or at his proposal yeah
or they probably would have been like
well that's our song right yeah
how dare you yeah
just the immaturity is and from the parent side too
like what why is that always the case though
with these fucking Reddit stories
(38:50):
yeah it's the wedding crazy
it's the wedding crazy it's the wedding crazy
I don't know what it is
I think it's fucking crazy and lack of empathy
lack of empathy I think
there's something about being
in a society where you're always rejected
or you can't get what you want
everything is not to be like everything's out for you
cause that's not the case
(39:10):
but like you it is very
very hard to get everything you want
and you're told this one time
this one time you can have it
you can you can have everything you want
it's okay to be selfish
it's okay for it to be about you
it's your special day right
and now someone comes in there
and brings the real world back to you
it it may feel I mean I'm not married
but it may feel if you're in the state
like so alarming and like disruptive
(39:33):
and disruptive that you immediately become defensive
and the people who are in your close circle
in that world with you
immediately get defensive as well yeah
because cause now we're back to the reality where you
where it's hard to afford things right
and it's hard to
to live life and you can't get everything you want
and maybe there is no perfect song that describes
(39:53):
because
I think we all relate to love songs
that were not written for us
or about us right
like that's I mean I think everybody does
everybody has a favorite love song
everyone has a favorite breakup song
you know and so that's not
I don't think it's abnormal for the sister to be like
wow I really connect with what you wrote
I would love for you to sing these
(40:14):
these words that you're saying for your partner
is how I feel about my partner yeah
but to be like actually it's too personal
I can't handle
I that's not something I'm comfortable doing
and then to immediately flip and be like
which is always an okay thing to say yes
always if someone said that to me
I'd be like oh my God yeah
like no worries at all you know
it's like no
(40:34):
it's actually
I don't think they were in the wrong for asking
no no
no not at all
no no
no just
but the reaction the reaction is crazy
like there are so many more yeah
songwriters
then you or I could probably imagine that in the world
and not every song that's written
is written to be shared and like
for it to be a private thing within their relationship
that means something and it's like sacred to them
(40:56):
that's okay and that's a good thing
yeah and like
some of your favorite love songs and breakup songs
like those artists wrote them
like out of some honesty and truth in their own life
and they were kind enough to share them with us
right and how lucky are we
that we get to
hear those stories in a way that we can find
relatable to our own
and find some comfort or some peace or encouragement
(41:16):
or whatever we're finding in that music
but just because I write a song
does not give you the right to demand
use it yes
yeah 100%
it's so sweet that they offered to write a custom song
yeah like
oh my gosh also
I'm not saying that this person should do this
but I know people that charge
and have been paid $10,000 to write a custom song
(41:40):
I know that's a lot of money
and I am not saying that this person should do this
get writing but also like
that shows you there's real value behind this
yeah and they're
they offered it as a favor
so like yeah
take it or don't but then stop pushing yeah
that's why yeah
(42:00):
that's why it's so concerning that they're so pressed
about this song like no
this song
like it's like the doubling down is what's confusing me
yeah like what
why can't we take no as an answer
no cause it is what
no is a full sentence in fact
truly period
absolutely hahaha
period there you go
(42:20):
yeah
I it just reminds me of like what I said earlier
I won't repeat it all of just like
art is so embedded in our culture that I
that people have an expectation
that it'll just be there
you don't wanna pay for it yeah
you just wanna have it yeah
you don't wanna pay for Netflix
you just wanna have it yes
yeah this is me hahaha
(42:40):
also like the fact that we have Netflix and Spotify
where we're paying pretty much nothing literally yeah
for the world like
even though Spotify
had three price increases in the last 12 months
oh my God I have Apple Music
I also have Apple Music
there's a there's a
interesting comment that kind of circles back to what
(43:02):
one of you was saying I don't remember who uh
imagine the awkward chitchat with the
relatives afterwards explaining
the inspiration for the song
came from your relationship with your girlfriend
but your sister wanted it to
wanted you to dedicate it to her
yeah cause you know they're gonna ask I would be like
that's gonna be conversation like at the tables after
and I wouldn't have it in me to pretend like
(43:23):
that wasn't the case I would be like
well actually this song's about my girlfriend yeah yeah
like I yeah that is crazy you guys yeah
it's just kind of so I think we can
we can agree that people go crazy
when it's their wedding yeah
but also don't ever just assume things
no and you know what happens when we assume
(43:44):
make an ass out of you and
did that just get yes
I've never you never heard that
I have never heard that really
what oh
my 7th grade teacher said she goes
you know what you know what
you know that's what you say
you know what happens when you assume
and then she was like separate the word hahaha
(44:06):
that was 7th grade
international international people
yeah that feels like a like an old dad
yes for me
like I I feel like my dad would have said that
it's Americana core I will yeah
it's American dad core crazy culture
not the asshole not the asshole
none of these are the asshole
case closed yo
(44:28):
it's a good clap that thank you
thank you for you know
offering your wedding singing services
it's lovely yeah
you're enriching people's lives with your pretty voice
if you're getting married
and you're in the Tennessee area
it well
in the state the state of Tennessee um
at Velvet Sky's music thank you and good night hahaha
(44:50):
Kate you're in the Philly area
I'm in Philadelphia
you can check me out at E B E Talent
oh oh
oh yeah
let's do it let's do it
and thank you ladies
for joining me for unhinged wedding stories
I appreciate it um
thank you guys for tuning in
and we will catch you in the next episode bye
am I the asshole for refusing to sing a song
(00:02):
I've written for my girlfriend
on my sister's wedding
my sister was very touched
and she asked me to play the song on her wedding day
for her and her husband I said
I can try making another song for them
if I have the time and inspiration
but I don't want to play this one
because it's personal for me and my girlfriend
and it's about our relationship
(00:24):
she insisted that it would be not a big deal
and she wants me to play the song
I said I don't want to it's personal
she then pulled the it's my wedding card
I'm your sister
you can't you do this one favor for me so weird
it's like being if they're like
oh your diary is really poetic
could you read that as a passage during our wedding
(00:46):
yeah it's like
that's the first thing that I thought of
it's like why
let's take these things that you
you know very kindly shared with your family
cause you didn't have to they're like
oh can we hear it
you know and put it on a stage in front of people
and it's God
that's so no
it's so yeah
yeah and I think yeah
it would be so deeply uncomfortable
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welcome to another probably unhinged episode
cause we got the whole team here
whole box team and we're looking at Reddit stories
from singers that were asked to sing at weddings
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and girl it went south
with me I have coach Juliana
coach Emily Briana
say hey and Coach Kate
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um I would say without further ado
let's just jump right into the stories
am I the asshole for canceling going to a wedding
(02:22):
because I was supposed to sing
without anyone informing me
okay NTA
um what I was or am going
I have no idea yet to a wedding today
it's okay here I'm not in the US currently
oh this post is from 5 years ago Covid
yeah there you go
okay
we were both invited to a wedding to one of his cousins
(02:42):
I do singing like semi professionally
and I'm known in some areas
but I am not famous
and generally people wouldn't know me
so no one had told either of us
that they wanted me to have a performance
which honestly costs quite a lot
since it's private and I only do maybe three a year
I've only done it as a gift to my best friend
(03:04):
like normally they would have to schedule in advance
I've reviewed my own cousins
I know people think that it's rude
and maybe even inconsiderate
but I don't want to do it if I don't connect
if
if you don't connect with me unless you want me to sing
Alrighty
so we are staying at the hotel where it's happening
and the mother of the groom
(03:25):
came and knocked on our door
and told me to go and rehearse
to get a feel for the stage
they have set up an entire agenda for me
which songs I am supposed to do
was that plural yep songs
not just one song multiple songs
I was flabbergasted and just closed the damn door
(03:45):
and yelled at my significant other
it's his damn family I am not ready for a performance
I didn't bring my performance gear
my sister sews dresses and does my outfits
I haven't had a cut for my hair
since the plague happened
and most importantly they didn't ask me
they just assumed it's really rude and inconsiderate
(04:06):
I don't even have my band here
like they are the most important people
I look cray without them it's just a mess uh
there's just a myriad of reasons why I am not doing it
I've told them no they don't think that's fair
I feel like I am being fair
apparently
we weren't even going to eat during the wedding
(04:28):
oh I flat out refused
now people are fucking pissed at me for being this way
I'm getting told you aren't that famous
don't flatter yourself
etcetera and that I'm tearing the family apart
how selfish I am and just all in all
a really bad time for me
I feel like I'm not really an asshole
my significant other doesn't think I'm an asshole
(04:49):
but his father does as well as his cousin's family edit
sorry I'm English second language
so there has to be some spelling mistakes
and errors in the text I'm sorry
and another edit I'm sorry guys
but I didn't end up going
so no false AF singing for me
I ended up together with the
with significant other at another hotel
(05:10):
getting sloppy drunk yeah
and ate lots of really good tacos
I still got a lot of shit from it from my family
but it is what it is
OK as someone who has literally experienced this like
and Laura I don't know if you experienced this too
but as soon as you get engaged
people be crazy haha
(05:30):
people be crazy I don't know if it happened to you
but people start giving you opinions thoughts
feelings vibes
like
and and some of them are good
like some of them are helpful
some of them are good but like
then
sometimes something comes completely out of left field
and you're like what the hell
like what you know
like what the hell
so people be crazy when it comes to their wedding
(05:52):
because they for a lot of people
your wedding is like the best
most important day of your life
it's
you're supposed to look the best you've ever looked
you're supposed to and you expect people to like
fall to their feet for you
you know what I mean when it's your wedding day
and I think that these people just
they have a lot of audacity
and yeah they what
(06:14):
who doesn't even ask someone
that's crazy that's the crazy songs
like what if
what if this person doesn't know these songs
yeah literally
that's so why has none of it ever been communicated
also
I don't sing for free
yeah especially if it's
whether it's half professional or semi or whatever
a little it's still a performance yeah
(06:38):
if it was like a very close personal friends
like listen
maybe I'll like sing a song honestly
like you know what I mean
but like you sang at your brother's wedding right
yes so I sang at my brother's wedding
I sang two songs there
and I sang at my sister in law's wedding
and I sang just one song there
her father was playing the piano
and I was singing and these were yeah
(06:59):
it was it was really nice
but also I've never been so nervous in my life
oh my god because it was during the ceremony
and like my sister in law
my my brother's that's the monster in law yeah
that they were walking down the aisle when I was scary
and the other one was in the middle of the
the ceremony and so everybody pays attention to you
yeah that's high stakes that's very high stakes
(07:20):
it's very very scary and like I
I did it for them because I love them
and I wasn't gonna charge them for it um
I sang at my own wedding too
and my mom was begging me to sing at my own wedding
and I was like mom
this is my job I don't really want to sing
I don't really want to sing at my own wedding
and she's like
but we're all coming over from Switzerland
(07:42):
please please please and I was like okay
sure I'll sing one song I sing an original song
but it's about grant is it about your husband
yes it is about grant
so I did that but you know
it's like
I don't really want to work on my wedding day
but I did it for my mom for my family
cause they flew all over from like
(08:02):
I'm from Switzerland
so that's the least I could do for them wait
did you release that song
sometimes bullying is I did release that song yeah
yeah it's on all streaming platforms
it's called until now no
don't listen to it no
I've seen it
families wedding and it's meant a lot to me
um but I wanna be like
very clear that it was like a song or two
(08:22):
like during the ceremony and not during the reception
and like unless it was like a first dance song I'm like
family if you're listening
I'm not your wedding bands yeah
yeah and nobody else
I wanna be able like
be there for you and support you in this way and like
enjoy your wedding yeah
and you're working exactly
and not enjoying the wedding and the food okay
(08:44):
can we talk about that
because I do wedding singing professionally Kate
I think you do wedding singing professionally
it's in my contract writer
every goddamn time you have to have
it's in the writer if you don't beat us
we're not playing for you
you can't have us like you need to have a
a um
what do they call it a
a Jesus why can't I think green room
no there needs to be like a
(09:05):
a vendor meal yeah
vendor meal
there's a set time for when we have to eat that
it's at least 30
usually we like to have a little bit longer
but at least 30 minutes and um
that we're able to accommodate for all dietary needs
and the thing that
is really nice is when sometimes they will let you
(09:26):
sometimes they will let you
like sometimes they will let you go to cocktail hour
but that's only happened a couple times
so you know in that case you're like
you're getting oysters
you're getting shrimp you're getting you know
all the good stuff but most of the time or ah
I remember what I was gonna say if you don't get fed
you should have a 25 dollar stipend
included in your pay to
(09:47):
so you can get food because when are you gonna eat
and honestly
between like a 6:00 and a midnight in this day and age
it should be more than $25 yeah
yeah put that on the client
that gets you nothing that's in the contract like yeah
which yeah also going back to working right
like I'd rather just enjoy your yeah
your wedding yeah um
(10:08):
at the end of the day opportunity doesn't pay the rent
and a lot of people will be like oh
isn't this a great opportunity
or or aren't you my friend
my cousin aren't you like don't you want to sing
don't you want to help me
of course I want to help you
but I also need this is my livelihood
this isn't like a fun hobby
you know what I mean this is how I make money
and in the context of somebody's wedding
(10:28):
like I don't you're prepped to pay
I'm not ever like
hearing about friends or family getting
married and being like oh my God
I hope they I hope they ask me to sing at their wedding
I really want that opportunity to perform
what the hell no
no what are you thinking
like that I'm like no
if you like
think it would make your day special to like
have me be involved in a specific way that you like
(10:50):
feel like would be special
I'd be happy yeah
to do that I just ask and like really yeah communicate
yes communicate yeah
yeah yeah
I think the audacity
I'm just so stuck on the audacity of the non
communication no
that's really the no food
yeah the no
the no food for the multiple songs
that's crazy
you just deciding this wedding guest is now my employee
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there is like this culture though within weddings that
where people just like expect like this
like they expect so much it's so strange every time
yeah like I don't know what it is when like
it's just like your like sense of like awareness
like emotional awareness like
where's like
turns off when like weddings come into play
and I don't understand why
(11:32):
it's like the weirdest thing
and maybe it's like a
I don't know if it's different here in this country
but like in America at least it's like uh
awareness of like finances
awareness of like people's boundaries
yeah off switch
oh yeah
it's it's so interesting
it's me me
me me me yeah
and what I say goes and everybody else has to back
and then every yeah
(11:53):
and everybody's like well
you can't put a price on love
you might as well spend all the money you can
you might as well do all these things
just assume all of these things
and it's like uh
actually this is this is like an 8 hour day
and like this is not real life
yeah yeah yeah
it's not how it works it's not a movie right
yeah exactly
so and for these people to do this
it's crazy it's crazy
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I wanna see your comments
not the asshole the comments
oh I don't even know
they're definitely not the asshole
yeah not at all
but they hear like you aren't that famous
don't flatter yourself that's crazy
that's crazy
because they were expecting that person to sing
and also if you fucked up on your end
and you forgot to ask or whatever
then insulting that person
(12:36):
not helpful is not helpful
is the asshole move oh yeah yeah
you are the asshole evil
not the here's my
so here's my only thing about this
that might have been miscommunicated
she
she I assume
so she might have assumed
they might have the
the family might have assumed because
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you know you kind of have to like go into like
what is going through the other people's heads
you know the family might have assumed
this person is a part of our family
maybe they're not married
but maybe they've been around for a while
this person is a part of our family
oh well
we're family
family does these things like we were saying
we would do these things for our family
of course
(13:17):
the Assumption there but I need more context
I feel like there's gotta be something else
like there's gotta be a mistake
did they ask and this person forgot
I don't know I
or did they ask the significant other who is related
and the significant other forgot yeah
forgot to communicate
but it sounds like they were blindsided too
yeah and honestly
I'm like so happy to hear the end of the story
(13:40):
where the partner also didn't attend the wedding yeah
like thank god
oh that's that's it
you got a good team right there
and good for her for saying no right
yeah a lot of times
it's hard for us to stand up for ourselves
and just set that boundary and be like
absolutely not also
it sounds like the partner isn't really that close
with this particular like
part of the family if they were like
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well I'm just not gonna go to the wedding
cause like I don't know
if I was in like
a situation where my partner couldn't come
I would probably still attend the wedding
cause to not go to a wedding
the day that the wedding is happening
that's a like I know they discuss that
that might not be like that big of a deal
oh no
they were talking about Covid
to not to just not show up to a wedding is like low key
kind of like the biggest dick move
(14:22):
yeah because that shit is expensive
yeah you know
don't just like not show up
you know so like
I'm guessing this wasn't a bridge
that they felt like they needed to continue to have
oh there's a good comment here
oh yeah
you are a person not a jukebox
you get to decide when where and if you sing
yes absolutely
(14:43):
absolutely I yeah
I bet there was a comment somewhere
months before the wedding where someone was like
oh this your your
your partner sings right
and they're like yeah
oh it would be so cool if she sang at the wedding
oh yeah
I'm sure she would love that
yeah end of conversation
then they put her on the calendar and didn't tell her
yeah like
and that's not that's still not asking
that's still not asking
there is another comment asking like
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what does your significant other have to say about this
uh and then they answered
he is shocked and isn't talking to his own father
oh
that's interesting
when his aunt came knocking on our door
he was just as shocked as me
uh but
I know that his father has bragged
a lot about what I have been doing earlier
my significant other rarely mentions it
(15:26):
by my request nice okay
so it sounds like maybe there's some daddy issues
the father was like talking the entitlement Batman
was like talking of this person yeah
so much to the family that it
it was like maybe his promise yeah
I think so yeah
probably and now he like can't handle the yeah
(15:47):
uh oh
is someone having the consequences of their actions
I know yeah
yeah for sure
I know
I know the consequences of my actions or inactions
inactions yeah
oh man yeah
that's rough though yeah
good for them I don't know what I would have done
I feel like I would have so come to the pressure
and just
I think that I would have to because I have been like
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well it's their wedding day
I'm not gonna ruin their wedding day
which is like also what about me
but but it's like the
that's the first thought that goes through my head
not that she's wrong but just that like I yeah
I probably would have been like
I feel like depending on who was I guessing
I would have gone either way
I think I would have been uncomfortable
if it were my partner's family yeah
(16:31):
yeah like
and me rejecting that so outright the day before
I would be like ah
ah ah
because like those are people
you always want to make a good impression on right yeah
that would put a really big like wall up
I think between your your family's relationship yeah
you know with you and your partner
and I always say you like
you don't just marry one person
(16:51):
yeah family
marry the family too so I totally get that
I probably also would have just done it
yeah and maybe like with certain songs
um
like just be like hey
I don't know the song
I'm not completely singing the song
but I'll do this this is like that yeah
yeah yeah
yeah but it's a compromise
yeah and the fourth choice yeah
I think it's good that she didn't do it
(17:13):
no that's really awesome
I don't know if I have the balls
yeah I don't know if I have it in me
yeah also
uh you two have sung at weddings before
have you sung at weddings before
uh twice
twice okay
how like for family and like one song
yeah I mean same
same for me uh
and you guys are getting paid to do it
uh I have never felt more nervous then singing yeah
(17:36):
at a wedding because I'm like
I don't want to ruin their day
like what you just said Emily
like
I want this to be a great experience for the couple
I don't even care about myself
but for the couple right
I want I wanna do my best
and I was so nervous how did
how did you feel Juliana
yeah nerve wracking for sure
yeah I also had to play guitar
oh yeah it's like two things at once player um
(17:59):
but it was really cute and like now I watch the video
I'm like oh yeah yeah
but yeah it's nerve wracking
yeah for Tracy's even if you prepare yeah
yeah for sure
because there's like a
an emotional connection and attachment to that yeah
don't know how you sing at your own wedding
that's so cool like
I don't think I could have been like
oh my God I wouldn't know
I could have sue well
(18:19):
thank you thank you
thank you are you gonna sing at your wedding Kate
um
I don't think that there's gonna be any formal singing
but we did kind of like decide maybe the last like
20 minutes is karaoke you know what I mean
yeah that's like
you know cause like
a lot of my friends are also like musician singers
so like it will you know
like yeah
it's not gonna it's not serious um
but you know we did say like yeah OK
like we asked the DJ like
(18:40):
can you bring
it's also not like an annoying vanity thing
it's like literally yeah
it's just for fun for fun
for fun for fun
like I love that yeah
so you know
that that's kind of the extent
I think that's cause I
cause Elliot is also a singer
and he doesn't want to sing at his wedding
you know like
but you know yeah yeah
oh for me
when I'm singing at people's weddings
I don't know them at all yeah
(19:01):
so I'm kind of in this like
situation where I'm like
seeing like this like couple and like
I see the I see the toasts
I see like their first dance
I see all these things but I don't know them at all
right so kind of detaches a little bit
but I do like listening to the speeches
I think the speeches are really cute
doing receptions yeah
yeah OK
like mostly reception music like party like yeah yeah
(19:21):
you know we're doing like fireball and like yeah yeah
you know and stuff like that yeah
literally like um
if I ever sing shout again
but um
I've been haunted by that one
yeah literally
it just keeps going
going it just keeps going
um
yeah but yeah
so I don't I don't feel that
but I do like you know
(19:42):
you wanna make sure you're being yeah
like you
you don't wanna be off key at someone else's wedding
cause all of the the audience
like the dancers will look at you like if you mess up
like they'll be like wait a second
this is not the recording
this isn't live or this is live
you know like
yeah but yeah
that's but definitely like
I am always way more nervous
performing or singing for people
(20:03):
that are near and dear to my heart 100%
that's what I was gonna say too
like the times that I've sang at family's wedding um
or a close friend that's like I'm doing a
a song that's like an intimate part of the ceremony
or like part of the reception
like in the first dances or something or yeah
the song that the bride is walking down the aisle
that's way more high stakes right
like that is like oh my gosh
(20:25):
don't fuck up don't fuck up
don't fuck up
yeah but the times that like
me and my jazz band go and we play for cocktail hour um
or for dinner like 1
I love that music that we get to play
so I'm just having fun
I've played with my guys for years
like we're just having fun together
and two it's like we're just pretty wallpaper
(20:46):
like I was gonna say nobody's attention to us
so like yeah
it's important that we don't like
totally go off the rails but like for the most part
nobody really cares what we're doing
as long as we're just like adding to the ambiance
yeah yeah
but I played like the party sets at
at the receptions too
and those are always really fun and less nerve wracking
cause at that point
most of the audience people will be drunk
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they're also drunk yeah
yeah so no
I haven't done anything like that
it's just you know
like walking down the aisle
or in the middle of the ceremony
yeah at my sister in law's wedding
it was in the middle of the ceremony for some reason
damn and everybody looks at you
yeah and it's like
oh my God oh my God
oh my God yeah
yeah but anyways
we have another one that's also
(21:29):
am I the asshole
for refusing to sing at someone's wedding
and so it's kind of a similar situation
but totally different do we want to get into this one
yeah yeah yeah
alright so
am I the asshole
for refusing to sing at someone's wedding
so I am a singer and I have been doing gigs in my city
for the last 3 years I'd like to preface that
(21:51):
usually these gigs are free entry
and only at very rare occasions
where I need to charge for tickets
these are usually limited to £10 a ticket
which I think is extremely fair
correct me if I'm wrong fair
I recently
received a message from someone I went to school with
we'll call her Claire like my sister in law Claire Bear
but the other one I love fake names and Reddit stories
(22:12):
hahaha
um it's like a fan fiction
yeah hahaha
Claire was a year above me
and we never interacted at all through school
we had no mutual friends or anything
linking us together
I now regularly post covers and my own songs
uh yeah
I own my own songs on my social media
and although I don't really have any following
(22:34):
I love what I do and try to post regularly
it's a New Year's resolution of mine
I recently received a message from Claire
asking me to sing at her wedding
honestly I was honored
I've
never been asked to sing a song at someone's wedding
before
and it would be the first truly personal occasion
I've sing it
a professional occasion oh no
(22:54):
personal occasion it says personal occasion of singing
anyways uh
I asked Claire firstly
what she wanted to be sung in regards to
was it just the first dance or walking down the aisle
or fully singing for the reception
I also asked her to let me know what songs she wanted
regardless of when they were sung
so I could best tell
if I was going to be the best singer
(23:15):
very smart the last thing I'd want to do is agree
and then do a terrible job
singing a song I'm not confident in
at the most important day of someone's life yep
she messaged me back
and said that it would be the first dance
and for at least two hours of the reception
before the DJ took over I proceeded to let her know
that this would be the first occasion
I've done in such an event
(23:36):
and I would do it for £90 an hour in total
she needed me for three to four hours
I really don't think I was asking for a lot
um
compared to what other bands and singers would ask for
please correct me if I'm wrong
she messaged back with shock and said
she assumed I do it for free
as I am quote
(23:57):
just a pub singer and I'm not exactly making money
as it was I was taken aback
I then said that I would do it for £70 an hour
if she was willing to compromise
she insisted I do it for free
and she said she would make sure I was given
food and drink at the wedding
to compensate no
I've now told her I won't be singing at her wedding
(24:17):
as I feel as
as I feel I've given her a deal
and she was asking for too much
she said she would tell all her friends about me
and post my social media if I did it for free
but I just didn't know that that like I
but I just didn't know if that's justifiable nope
no as I am not a seasoned professional
I am now wondering if what
if what I did was wrong in my pricing
(24:41):
am I the asshole for saying no
no
no no
no hahaha
also go ahead and make it a clean hundo babes yeah
per hour yeah
yeah dang it
um okay
I love this person's approach to this situation
(25:02):
um it's very gentle
it's very gentle yeah
and also very brave to offer to still like to say yes
because as a first wedding
to put together a two hour set for the reception
oh my is a lot that's a like
do you understand the preparation that goes into that
you have to figure out
how many songs do I need to fill two hours
(25:22):
what are situationally appropriate songs to sing
during those two hours what are the break up songs
situationally appropriate songs
can I actually execute well
which I love that she mentioned or here the order
whoever this was mentioned that yeah
in there um
the order of the songs and like the vibe in the room
yes people aren't vibing with the songs
(25:42):
how many fast songs do you need to play
before you can play a slow song
how many slow songs are too many slow songs
yeah um
when do you physically need a break
yes yeah yeah
um wow
holy moly that was enraging to listen to
they're not even friends yeah
yeah literally I
they just happen to go to the same school
(26:02):
and also like we all started by singing
making no money
because we were learning and pursuing it
because we loved it
and then we got good enough that we could be hired
for it and now we are all making livings doing this
and singing professionally and coaching professionally
yeah and um
(26:24):
a wedding is a moment that that is a that is a business
yes transaction yeah
any performer artist coach
whatever like any private event
assume that they're gonna do it for free like no
it's their time they're putting
it's so rude so many things
think of how many hours went into like
getting good enough that you would even think that yeah
you know what
that voice is a voice that I would want to have
(26:45):
and within that same day like that whole Saturday
she's not gonna be able to do anything else
other than show up at your freaking wedding yeah
and sing for free like nah
no weddings are also like
one of the more steady
sources of income for a lot of performers
like in general yeah
so I worked for a wedding band one time
like in the admin and and it's good money
(27:09):
there's something so enraging about
and in both of these stories
had it where they were like well
you're just like you're just a pub singer yeah
why don't you what do you mean
just you're a professional singer professional
you can be a professional anything at any level yeah
if you're making money doing it
I love I love going out on the town
and going to a little festival
(27:30):
where everybody sells their crafts yeah
I don't you know like
I'm not gonna say you're just a
you're just a candle maker
why are you charging me for this thing
like you're not gonna say that about any good
so why are you saying saying it about a service
a service that is so that you're asking for yeah yeah
you're required you're asking a lot a lot yeah
you can say just the pub singer
but next time you go to a bar
(27:51):
ask them like go to a bar where it's silent
I dare you to find a bar where it's it
there is no music and it's quiet
even if it's even if it's just the radio
like
it's so integral to society and to the environment
that it is so enraging to hear so many people
(28:11):
not just in these stories
but just in general operate as if artists
don't deserve to be making art for a living
when it's all you it's all you consume
everybody has a binge watching show
everybody has a favorite song
everybody has a favorite band
and you think they should be doing that for free
just because it's not surgery
listen surgery is very important
(28:32):
dare I say more um
but at the same time
like everybody needs to take an art
it is what keeps the world turning literally
it's a part of me like culture
it's a part of existence it is culture
mental health mental health yeah
yes literally 100% yeah
so just to reduce any sort of artist to just a
(28:54):
blank thing therefore you don't deserve because what
what she's telling her is well
because you only perform at this level
you don't deserve to be uh
a professional at my wedding
yeah and it's a confusing
like mixed signal situation where it's like
I value your services enough to want it
for my biggest the biggest day of my life
(29:16):
but I don't value you enough to pay you
why would you think that yeah
yeah that is so contradictory
oh my God that's ridiculous
also going back to the exposure thing
like Kate you said that earlier exposure
exposure doesn't pay the rent
no yeah
and she was like I'll post about you on social media
okay okay cool
so awesome that literally means nothing
no uh
what do you have a million followers like oh
(29:37):
even then yeah
it means absolutely nothing
yeah and so here's the thing
like I see this with Vogue Safe Studios
we have brands sometimes reaching out and like hey
can you create a video about our product
we'll send you the product for free
no I'm sorry no
OK are you gonna compensate me for my time
to make the video as well
exactly you have to
(29:58):
like your free product is not paying my bills
you have to pay me
for the time that it takes me to create a video on like
reviewing your thing and um
and also if it's just like affiliate stuff too
where it's like
we'll give you an affiliate code and then
you know you
you earn a 5% commission or a 10% commission
and what not
(30:20):
sorry not good enough
like I need to be paid for my time
sure if we do like a
an affiliate and like like if we do a combination
of the two
the initial price can come down a little bit maybe sure
okay but like you have to be paid for your time yeah
yeah
which the unfortunate and like tricky thing there is
(30:40):
there's always gonna be people that are actually
willing to do it for free
and they're
undercutting everyone else that is actually trying
and able
and qualified to make a living doing stuff like this
yeah but if you're doing everything for free
you're gonna hit your wall
yeah well
I think most people that I'm thinking of in that
instance instance is like
you have a full time job
in a completely different industry
and you're doing it as a hobby
(31:00):
and you're doing it just because like
you enjoy it so much well
I do enjoy it so much but I also know that
the bills I do on my table with it yeah
you know yeah
and I want to do yeah this is my life
this is my life's work also the performance
the the wedding band performance
or the two hour
set that you're gonna get from somebody who dedicates
their their time and energy and life to
(31:24):
this is going to be
different than somebody who has a full time job
and then messes around with their band in the evenings
not saying that that doesn't mean
you know that
that means that the other person is gonna put on a
lower quality performance
but if you want something organized if you want
like the wedding band experience
the thing that people pay a lot of money for a lot yeah
(31:44):
like add a lot of zeros on those 90 pounds
90 pounds and then dropping to 70 an hour
oh my god yeah yeah
oh I know we have friends like grant and I
we have just friends that they got married
they hired a band 5 figure check yep yep
well you gotta pay the sound
you gotta pay the oh yeah
you gotta pay every single yeah
(32:06):
nice play every yeah
and you want you want horns
add another zero and you're
expecting that band to bring their own sound system
oh yeah
and so you have all the there needs to be a sound guy
there needs to be all the mics
all the things that you need in order
there needs to be a guy holding an iPad
doing the adjustments from the dance floor
like there's so many things going on yeah
which I get for like the average person who's like
(32:27):
not involved in like
performance and performing industry
like
those are a lot of things that you've probably never
ever thought about that go into like
a performance at a wedding or any other event
um but just it just takes
it just takes a Google search
it just takes a question yeah
it just takes a asking
like be curious and like think that you
it's not as simple yeah
(32:48):
as you think it is the starving artist is out yeah
so out and also
you would never ask
a guitar player to play in your band
for free yeah
that's embarrassing it's embarrassing
I would be so embarrassed
I would ask a singer I would be so embarrassed
to ask somebody to do something for free
oh my God are you gonna ask your friend
who's a chef to cook for 100 people for free
(33:10):
no hell no
no if you want free music at your wedding
bring the things you already own and do it yourself
connect your iPod to the the Bluetooth speaker
that's cause that is what that's so funny
you want
but you want this like high quality thing for free
you wouldn't ask a DJ to play your wedding for free
well actually
one of the comments here said that
(33:31):
just extend your DJ for 2 hours right yeah
literally
cause they have a DJ
and I wonder how much they're paying for the DJ
which yeah likely is a day rate and not hourly rate
yeah there's not yeah
and they might be like okay
well to do this many more hours of like me being like
on like it'll be this little bit more
but it's not gonna like
it probably wouldn't double their rate
(33:53):
or anything close to that no
Alrighty shall we do one more
yes dude
yeah am I the asshole for refusing to sing a song
am I the asshole
I've written for my girlfriend on my sister's wedding
I am a sucker for music and songwriting
I haven't written many songs
let alone record but I had good inspiration
and wrote a very touchy one for my girlfriend
(34:13):
who I've been with for three years
I have even synthesized music for it
and want to record it
and personally give it to my girlfriend
since it's special for us
that's so sweet
my family asked me to play them the song
since it's my first song that I finished
and I did
my sister was very touched
and she asked me to play the song on her wedding day
(34:35):
for her and her husband I said
I can try making another song for them
if I have the time and inspiration
but I don't want to play this one
because it's personal for me and my girlfriend
and it's about our relationship
she insisted that it would be not a big deal
and she wants me to play the song
I said I don't want to it's personal
(34:57):
she then pulled the it's my wedding card
I'm your sister you can't you do this one favor for me
can't you make your sister happy
I said again no
I told her
I tried to write another one for her and her husband
but I am not playing mine
plus it would be more touching for me to write
their own song
she and my parents then proceeded to claim that
(35:19):
it would be more appropriate for me to sing that song
for my sister and her husband
on their wedding day
since they've officiated their relationship
and officiated made it official
and are not just boyfriend and girlfriend
so okay
damn that is so fucking rude yeah
being like
(35:40):
your relationship isn't really like that serious
their relationship is official
yours doesn't mean anything'cause you're just boyfriend
girlfriend no okay
that's a dick move yeah
that hit the nail on the head for me
and I said you know what
fuck you all for what you're doing
this isn't fair at all
and the fact that you're undermining my relationship
(36:00):
to make a point is shitty
my parents
my sister and her husband are now bugging me about this
they say I'm a very selfish person
who can't do a small favor for his sister
and I am very uptight about it
am I the asshole no
no dude no
oh my God
(36:20):
I have some thoughts okay
I want you to imagine for a second
before I get into my other thoughts
oh Lord
imagine that this person said yes
and sang that song at the sister's wedding anyway
and put on that performance
and was deeply uncomfortable and not in it
and outside of their own body the whole fucking time
because that's what would have happened yeah
(36:42):
if they had said yes and it would have been horrible
and everybody would have felt how uncomfortable it is
and maybe
maybe I wish that would have happened just a little bit
so these jerk faces could be put in their place
and made to understand
how uncomfortable you're making this person feel
yeah right
like sit in the discomfort of your like
actions actions yeah yeah
(37:04):
um yeah
wow I
two thoughts
I would be so icked out as a guest at this wedding yeah
I was like the brother is singing about his girlfriend
but the girlfriend is taking it
or the yeah
but the sister is taking it as something
she wants it to be her love story
I'd be like this is getting a little weird
(37:25):
this is getting a little weird
um is that incestuous
I hear
yeah no
and I I
I'm gonna go ahead and give them
the benefit of the doubt
that that's not what came to mind
when the when the sister was thinking about this sorry
but that's where my brain went um
and the other thing what was it
I don't know it'll
it'll come back to me someone else talk well
(37:47):
they literally
offered to write a custom song for the couple
that is so much why would you turn that down
yeah yeah
and that's harder that's not yeah
that's and it's harder to be more meaningful
yeah that's what makes it weird
well it's yeah
what so weird it's like being
if they're like oh
your diary is really poetic
could you read that as a passage during our wedding
yeah it's like that's the first thing that I thought of
(38:08):
it's like why let's take these things that you
you know very kindly shared with your family
cause you didn't have to they're like
oh can we hear it
you know
and put it on a stage in front of people and it's God
that's so no it's so yeah
yeah and I think yeah
it would be so deeply uncomfortable
and also like
(38:29):
what if he was gonna propose to his girlfriend
and get married
and he wanted to play it at his wedding right
or at his proposal yeah
or they probably would have been like
well that's our song right yeah
how dare you yeah
just the immaturity is and from the parent side too
like what why is that always the case though
with these fucking Reddit stories
(38:50):
yeah it's the wedding crazy
it's the wedding crazy it's the wedding crazy
I don't know what it is
I think it's fucking crazy and lack of empathy
lack of empathy I think
there's something about being
in a society where you're always rejected
or you can't get what you want
everything is not to be like everything's out for you
cause that's not the case
(39:10):
but like you it is very
very hard to get everything you want
and you're told this one time
this one time you can have it
you can you can have everything you want
it's okay to be selfish
it's okay for it to be about you
it's your special day right
and now someone comes in there
and brings the real world back to you
it it may feel I mean I'm not married
but it may feel if you're in the state
like so alarming and like disruptive
(39:33):
and disruptive that you immediately become defensive
and the people who are in your close circle
in that world with you
immediately get defensive as well yeah
because cause now we're back to the reality where you
where it's hard to afford things right
and it's hard to
to live life and you can't get everything you want
and maybe there is no perfect song that describes
(39:53):
because
I think we all relate to love songs
that were not written for us
or about us right
like that's I mean I think everybody does
everybody has a favorite love song
everyone has a favorite breakup song
you know and so that's not
I don't think it's abnormal for the sister to be like
wow I really connect with what you wrote
I would love for you to sing these
(40:14):
these words that you're saying for your partner
is how I feel about my partner yeah
but to be like actually it's too personal
I can't handle
I that's not something I'm comfortable doing
and then to immediately flip and be like
which is always an okay thing to say yes
always if someone said that to me
I'd be like oh my God yeah
like no worries at all you know
it's like no
(40:34):
it's actually
I don't think they were in the wrong for asking
no no
no not at all
no no
no just
but the reaction the reaction is crazy
like there are so many more yeah
songwriters
then you or I could probably imagine that in the world
and not every song that's written
is written to be shared and like
for it to be a private thing within their relationship
that means something and it's like sacred to them
(40:56):
that's okay and that's a good thing
yeah and like
some of your favorite love songs and breakup songs
like those artists wrote them
like out of some honesty and truth in their own life
and they were kind enough to share them with us
right and how lucky are we
that we get to
hear those stories in a way that we can find
relatable to our own
and find some comfort or some peace or encouragement
(41:16):
or whatever we're finding in that music
but just because I write a song
does not give you the right to demand
use it yes
yeah 100%
it's so sweet that they offered to write a custom song
yeah like
oh my gosh also
I'm not saying that this person should do this
but I know people that charge
and have been paid $10,000 to write a custom song
(41:40):
I know that's a lot of money
and I am not saying that this person should do this
get writing but also like
that shows you there's real value behind this
yeah and they're
they offered it as a favor
so like yeah
take it or don't but then stop pushing yeah
that's why yeah
(42:00):
that's why it's so concerning that they're so pressed
about this song like no
this song
like it's like the doubling down is what's confusing me
yeah like what
why can't we take no as an answer
no cause it is what
no is a full sentence in fact
truly period
absolutely hahaha
period there you go
(42:20):
yeah
I it just reminds me of like what I said earlier
I won't repeat it all of just like
art is so embedded in our culture that I
that people have an expectation
that it'll just be there
you don't wanna pay for it yeah
you just wanna have it yeah
you don't wanna pay for Netflix
you just wanna have it yes
yeah this is me hahaha
(42:40):
also like the fact that we have Netflix and Spotify
where we're paying pretty much nothing literally yeah
for the world like
even though Spotify
had three price increases in the last 12 months
oh my God I have Apple Music
I also have Apple Music
there's a there's a
interesting comment that kind of circles back to what
(43:02):
one of you was saying I don't remember who uh
imagine the awkward chitchat with the
relatives afterwards explaining
the inspiration for the song
came from your relationship with your girlfriend
but your sister wanted it to
wanted you to dedicate it to her
yeah cause you know they're gonna ask I would be like
that's gonna be conversation like at the tables after
and I wouldn't have it in me to pretend like
(43:23):
that wasn't the case I would be like
well actually this song's about my girlfriend yeah yeah
like I yeah that is crazy you guys yeah
it's just kind of so I think we can
we can agree that people go crazy
when it's their wedding yeah
but also don't ever just assume things
no and you know what happens when we assume
(43:44):
make an ass out of you and
did that just get yes
I've never you never heard that
I have never heard that really
what oh
my 7th grade teacher said she goes
you know what you know what
you know that's what you say
you know what happens when you assume
and then she was like separate the word hahaha
(44:06):
that was 7th grade
international international people
yeah that feels like a like an old dad
yes for me
like I I feel like my dad would have said that
it's Americana core I will yeah
it's American dad core crazy culture
not the asshole not the asshole
none of these are the asshole
case closed yo
(44:28):
it's a good clap that thank you
thank you for you know
offering your wedding singing services
it's lovely yeah
you're enriching people's lives with your pretty voice
if you're getting married
and you're in the Tennessee area
it well
in the state the state of Tennessee um
at Velvet Sky's music thank you and good night hahaha
(44:50):
Kate you're in the Philly area
I'm in Philadelphia
you can check me out at E B E Talent
oh oh
oh yeah
let's do it let's do it
and thank you ladies
for joining me for unhinged wedding stories
I appreciate it um
thank you guys for tuning in
and we will catch you in the next episode bye
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