David Jonsson & Cooper Hoffman Rec the Pod

The Long Walk stars David Jonsson and Cooper Hoffman talk about life, death and their new film The Long Walk.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wake up?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Did you time to go to work?

Speaker 3 (00:04):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Can we talk about we go back?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Get it that, get it?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wake up?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Back, get it that, get it that goal with everyone's
saying that, mom next, it's.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not my brother the focus of goals. That making that
hit us so up that my leg.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Is a movie, the way that that role they're staying
it with people. Baby, you know I'm making everybody upset
because West we get b I know.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
We gonna get bread. Dounning get bread, gonna get bread,
Cunning get bread, gonna get bread. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is boy aka straw had goofy your movie guy, and
I'm sitting here with David Johnson and one of the
stars from The Wall Walk.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
How's it going on?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Man? You I'm pretty good man. That accent is killing Listen.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I just like to see a black man with accents
me out here, brom killing I'm killing her.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I just told you that I saw the movie about
like a week ago.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's already in my top ten of the year, Like
off eye test, bro, I'm telling you, like I just
talked to Cooper a minute go and I let them
know that this is like like it reminded me a
lot of Shawshank Redemption.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
It has a lot of that feeling of hope.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It has the relationship that reminded me of Andy and Red. Like,
it's a lot going on in this movie that I
would love to get into it with you about. But first,
what I like to do on the show is that
I like to get to know my guests by asking
them what are some movies that kind of rewired their brain?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Their brain chemistry?

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right, So I want to ask you, like, what are
some movies that you watched that kind of like created
the building blocks to who DJ was?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Wow? I mean it's so many. I'm a big I'm
a big movie Yeah. Yeah, I always call myself like,
I mean, the things that really moved me first and
foremost is probably like Black American cinema. Okay, because my
dad really grew up on that. So I'm going to
go for stuff like Ladies Sings Blues by Malcolm Max,

(01:52):
you know crazy. I remember watching Malcolm X in elementary school. Man,
that was it. I mean, come on, man, I don't
know if you can get a bad performance, you know,
it's just it's I also just you know, learning more
about who we are men A lot yeah. And then
and then I find more about like British cinema, so
I'm talking like Mike Lee meantime it's a special film,
Carrie Olman's first film. It's a big influence to me.

(02:16):
And then uh, then French cinema like Gasping Away. Those
kind of films really shook me.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, yes see, I grew up in conftence, so like
I grew up on a lot of Black American cinema films,
like Hood films. That's where kind of like I started
watching Boys in the Hood. Bro Kin's of a staple.
You've gotten to Kate walk out of confident.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
And not watched Boys. I think that's like an iron
clan because you gotta listen to Kendrick. You gotta listen
to you gotta watch.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Minister.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Society is like one of those big ones as well.
And then, you know, as I started getting older, started
to become more of a film fan, started branching out into
kind of you know, foreign cinema and stuff like that.
One of my favorite Hood films is actually a British
one Blue Story.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Bro Blue Story is.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Shout out to right man, shout man man, like he
you know, we like to see those things because it's
representing parts of who we are. We we see universally
about the black experience. Stories are tough stories. I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, old boy was just in an adolescence recently doing it.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Stay.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's one thing I also wanted to tell you. You said
you mentioned Lady Sings the Blues. That's angel Bassett's movie
that changed her brain chemistry.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Son, angel Bassett.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Guy got too much.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
She is?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
She said that.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I said, you know, she got that aura Like I
was like, you know, I don't really shake when I
talked to people, like, you know, it's my job, but
it's Angela Bassett bro like when.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
She said that, it's crazy. So thank you for so
much for telling me that.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
See now I know that I learned a little bit
more about you just from those.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I feel like movies connect us in just like a
special way. It's like a unique art form that you know,
you talk to somebody they say, yeah, you know my
favorite movie is this, Like immediately like I kind of.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Know, I get a clock on what what's happening, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
So I know that you and Angela Bassett, you know,
on the same time and I love it. So this movie, man, Like,
I was talking to Cooper about this, and I need
to get into this because I want to get your
perspective on this. From the way I understand it, this
movie was shot chronologically and you guys walked fourteen miles
a day. Dude, talk to me about the process of that, Like,

(04:20):
does it like where you helped by this performance? Was
like what was your mindset at when you was at
your most exhausted on a hot day walking on mile
tain And like, what is your thought process in that moment?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean you're just locked in, you know what I mean.
That's one of the best things about this movie, man,
it was it was being locked in. I don't know.
I do really think acting, when it's done right should
field Olympic in some way. And this was a movie
that I got to do that on. You know, we
did fourteen miles minimum. I think the most we did

(04:52):
on a day was around twenty two. Yeah. Yeah, I
wish you were going to I would have a bed time.
But no, I mean I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I like to go places when I do, when I
when I act, when I'm lucky enough to act. So
this film really supported me in that, and I couldn't
imagine doing it any other way. It would have been
rubbish if he was on like a treadmill, just like
you know what I mean. Of course, I like the
immersive nature of this film for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Speaking of immersive, like you know, there's a lot of
shots that are just like Unbroken One takes with these
long walks and conversation, and I feel like that's the
strongest point in the movie is just seeing you and
Cooper just interact with each other. And I love this
relationship that you guys performed together in that. Can you
talk to me a little bit about like the on
screen and off screen kind of like camaraderie that you
guys have had, Like what was like just hanging out

(05:45):
with him and kind of getting into like who like
Garrity and Peter wash Man.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Keeper is my guy first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
He's such a special human being. You know, we we
had a chemistry together early on, and the moment I
got talking to him, the moment I got to not
understand who this person was, I was like, this is
going to be this is going to be wicked, you know. Yeah,
And I do think the relationship between mcreedy why I play,
and Garretty, who Cooper plays, is really a case of

(06:15):
like songs and experience, songs of experience and songs of innocence.
Like we're understanding things about who we are as people
through the experiences that Greece has heard versus the innocence
that Garrety has and you know that's life. Yeah, you
know that's really true to life. And I do love
that about this script, This beautiful script is. Yeah, it

(06:37):
really is.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I keep like, I keep like bringing up like
Charles shrank Redemp shit, because you know, that's one of
my favorite movies of all time. I consider that movie perfect, right,
So any movie that could just get a taste of that, Like,
I'm like, this is it, this is this is my movie.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And when you talk.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
About this relationship, it takes me back to a moment
in a quote that was said, like in the movie
where you're kind of like breaking down like.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Your backstory and everything.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And obviously you say he has more experience to Garrity's innocence,
but there's a moment where he refers to you as
the light and I go, that's that takes me back
to Shawshank because Andy was the Light and that movie.
So it's almost like a flip between Red and Andy's character, right, like,
talk to me about your character and finding someone who
is just so in a way pure, like because of

(07:19):
the backstory that they went through, which is like brutal
and grueling, and now he's on this long walk kind
of like recollecting all of that.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean, first of all, the fact you you compare
our movie to Shore Shank is I don't know. Man
for me, it just knocks me off balance because Shank,
I do believe, is a perfect movie. You know, Stephen
King does that. I think he really does understand about
humanity and what we can be as men, what we

(07:48):
can be as humans, and the capacity that we have
a defent. That's a massive part of who Pete mcfreeze is.
You know, he's gone through a lot in his life. Yeah,
and he's kind of trying to understand all about who
he is through other people as opposed to like closing
himself off and being like this is who I am
and I'm not changing. I love that. I love that,

(08:10):
not with something I had to find with him. It
was like his experience, which is like a really brutal one,
but his openness, openness to learn his open us to
the world, open us to to Garity, and the boys
inevitably on the Long Walk. So that was a great journey, man.
I loved it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know what's crazy is that this is so much
different than any kind of dystopian competition movie that we've had,
Like obviously we had like hard games that are all
real and things of that sort. And you've heard me
describe this as Shawshank. But Cooper brought up something that
I didn't even think about, and he said, it's stand
by me, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You guys are just doing the great movie references. I'm
just head.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
This is what we do.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
This is what we do, man, so like, and I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'm glad to reacted that way because when when he
said that, I was like, yo, you're right, you know there,
And it made me look at The Long Wall because
I read the book in college and it definitely is
kind of like a coming of age, but in the reverse,
because you have these young men who, in many in
any other type of universe, they should be like figuring
out their life. They have their whole world ahead of them,
but in this sense, they're kind of walking towards their death.

(09:14):
They're already thinking a couple miles in, I'm not going
to make it out of this, so they're already kind
of like marching towards this slow grave. And so to
hear you talk about Peter, who's a young man from
an old man perspective, in that openness, like that experience,
I think that's beautiful. And that's what you were talking
about with Stephen King. He understands humanity. So at the

(09:36):
end of it, when this movie comes out, like obviously
like you're gonna say yes, but you know, what is
your big hope for people to take away from this movie?
Because obviously you want people to like put in the
same category as as Shaw Shane can stand by me
and things.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Like that would be great, but an obvious thing to me.
I mean, those movies are great, movie's amazing. Direct to
Francis Lawrence, you honestly, I believe it's a special eyem
Legends and of course Hanker Kings, but I really do
think he's doing something different with this particular movie, and
I think he's hopeful. I'm hopeful that people just can

(10:12):
similarly similarly to my character, Peter kind of understand something
different about who they are and what do we do
for our friends, what do we do for the people
that we actually love the world. The world can be
quite a selfish place, yea. And I think it's this
movie is a little glimmer of hope for how do
we connect to other people? How do we help other people?

(10:35):
I personally think it's a metaphor for that. And the
best films are just like you're saying, Shure Shanks, stand
by me. These are great performances and great films that
do that that make us think about who we are
as as people just trying to.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Get by exactly, and with most dystopian things like like
you know, it is a competition, but like the first
thing that I think a lot of people will think
of when they see it is who's going to backstap,
who's going to like be the trickster, who's going to try,
like do whatever it takes to win? And I was
very pleasantly like not surprised, can you know, I read
the book, but I was very happy to see on
screen the camaraderie, you know, like I don't want to

(11:11):
see you fall right, like we're in this together, and
I feel like that's an interesting justice position, to have
people helping each other in a competition where there can
only be one. Yeah, and that's the beauty. Cooper describes
this as like a metaphor for just life. You're born
into it, you walk along it, you make friends, you
make enemies, and then you die, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
And I just love I just love how the movie
just talks about that.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I also think it's very important and kind of timely
that we just had Superman come out like two weeks ago,
and this story clearly has a message of kindness. And
I see this message in this movie, right, would you
say that this movie's like main message is kindness or
what other message would you put on it?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
If not that?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I do think kindness is a massive part of what
this movie is. You know, how can we be more
kind even in our most like like rough state, hungry state?
How can we find kindness for other people? But I
also think it's a question about mindset, morality and and how, yeah,

(12:17):
how do you allow room for other people? I think
that it's not necessarily kindness. Kindness makes it sound you know,
almost sweet. Yeah, you know what I mean, It's kind
of like like, how do you make room for other people.
We do that every day in relationships. We do that
in friendships, but do we do that to strangers?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think that's a good one, especially when you talk
about this movie. That's right, like there are strangers. Yeah,
and so you know when Garrity walks up to you
and just like said first thing, Hey, I'm Ray Garrity.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, And the.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Way I see you receive that, it completely makes me
think about the movie differently, because again, people are expecting
us to be oh, he's not going to trust them.
But the warm smile, that outshake hand and then what
follows after it's it's beautiful stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
You. I'm a big fan.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Of like coming of age, like uplifting movies like me
and Cooper were talking about, like Bad News Bears and
like sand Lot and stuff like that. Do you have
any movies that like, just when you were finished watching it,
like your spirit just felt lifted, like you just felt
like you could do anything?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh? Man, so many, you know, off the top of
my head, like Black Panthers, Come on, what am I
going to say, Mike? I Ryan does that? Man? And
I'm a big fan of those kind of movies. I
think that's what the beauty about cinema is like can

(13:34):
really lift you and inspire you. I'm interested in those
kind of movies, of course, you know, we want the
movies that shakey, which I think this film does. It's brutal,
oh there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, we can talk a little bit about how it's brutal,
but then it also like will turn around and give
you like some uplifting moments right after.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
But that's why I think Black Panther does so brilliantly.
So I'm going to say that Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
You see, Listen, I remember going to the theater when
that movie came out. This is before i even started
this whole journey that I'm on talking to you right.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now, but which, by the way, is amazing. Appreciative it appreciation.
We do our thing, man.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But I remember getting like my girlfriend at the time,
all my best friends at the time, we went got
the Shiki's mane and like we go to our local
theater and everybody's got the Shiki's on.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like it was just did the same thing in London,
You did the same damn man ify one turned up
in traditional man and just shut down. We felt empowered.
We felt like, yeah, it's and it's not just the
movie the filmmakers Ryan. I mean, come on, he's on
rush more. But oh so I think that the studios
I have the ability to go to, you know what,
we want to make a hopeful film. We want to
inspire people. Kudos to them as well.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Man. Yeah, I wonder, like, because you know, Ryan's now
become like a good friend of mine and so like
we talk about this. It's kind of surreal for me
that like I can like talk to him about these things.
But I wonder because he's so humble, that's like his superpowers,
like just his humbleness, And I wonder if he truly
recognizes just the impact of like how he uses cinema
to bring people together, specifically the culture, Like you know,

(15:01):
you want to talk about Centers a little bit, Like
you know, Centers was something I was I'm still obsessed
with to this day.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I made thirty two videos just breaking that thing down
and finding new things and just like going into it.
And very recently I just threw like a Center's juke
joint party on Juneteenth.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know what I'm saying. We dressed up to the fight.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey listen, listen, I would I got you next up time.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Next time. Listen, I'm gonna hit up your people. And
if you say I'm.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Busy, I know you're busy, but like.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Come come out to LA for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
But yeah, man, so like the fact you know we
we I'm gonna show you some like video and photos.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Want to know with this, But if you could have
been there, man, like, it was just nothing but good vibes.
The culture was there, we were vibing out and it
was just it was something beautiful and it's something that
a movie did. It brought us together in that sense.
It brought us closer, as the movie would say to
our ancestors. Black Panther did that in the same way.
You know we showed up in the Shiki's man Like,
when the culture comes together, we really come together. So

(15:59):
that's why this is why I do what I do.
Is like I like talking about movies because it's more
than a movie. It always is, you know what I'm saying.
So like and I'm happy to see that we're on
the same same tip when it comes to all right, man,
So let me see, I.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Got quite a few more questions. I'm trying to figure
out the right one.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
At the time. Oh man, I think this is a
good one.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like the thing, the thing that the quote.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That like kind of kept ringing in my ear when
I was watching this movie was if you want to
go fast, you go alone.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
If you want to go far, you go together.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Right, And with this movie, you could tell that a
lot of characters get as far as they do because
they had each other, right, you know, Like like I
think Peter and Garritty just don't get as far as
they did in that movie if they weren't literally holding
each other up at some points.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Reminds me of the pipp and Jordan game, where like
the Blue Game where he like.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know what I'm say.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
You guys had a piping Jordan moment in the movie man,
and I was like, this is a flue game, and
so like I just.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Want to know, like you know, I know, you know,
being in Hollywood is like crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's like ruling schedules.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
You just said, you came from London to New York
to hear Like, what is.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Something or someone that you know that if you didn't
have in your corner that you were able, you wouldn't
be able to endure.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Do you have someone who helps you endure in that
sense I do. I'm very very lucky. You know, I've
got I've got really people that are will call family,
you know what I mean, that really really ride with me.
And that's not just my actual family, it's also like
relationships that I form and also like you know, the
people that I work with. I think this life is

(17:37):
short and you've got to choose the people that you
want to work with. Don't roll into it, because that
motivation can really help you go somewhere. But also, and
since we're talking about it, I do also believe motivation
will take your places, but it might not get you
across the finish line. Yeah, it's I kind of live

(17:57):
by discipline. You need to think. Mcfree is actually funny
enough has it. It's part motivation, but it's also discipline.
Discipline will get you there when you're on the days
that you're not feeling it right. For the days that
the person that you that you do love isn't doing
what they need to, you know what I mean, it happen.
So yeah, I think the film has a bit of both.

(18:19):
And the relationship that you mentioned mcpree'ze and Garrety, the
they motivate each other in a way that feels like
a propelling, but also the discipline comes into action sometimes
as well, seeking yang singing and yang. Yeah, you know,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
It is like you know, watching this movie and like
you know, again it's a physical competition, so you're looking
at body types.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who's gonna last longer.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
They use the metaphor of the mechanical rabbiting, right, and
you know Gary is not the most like fit looking guy, right,
but you could you could say you could come in
with the strategy. But even the strategy, you know a
lot of characters coming with strategy, but it doesn't end
up helping them in the long run. It's the like
you said, the propelling, the encouragement, And I feel like

(19:02):
that's where the beauty in this film truly lies.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Of like a couple of strangers who.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Knows that you know, it's either going back to a
place where you're gonna die anyway, or it's like taking
a chance to do this, and everyone's trying to help
each other, like capture this moment. It's I love and
I don't want to get too much into the ending
because I don't want to get into the spoiler, but
it's it's kind of a sense of just like if one.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Wins, we all win.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Absolutely absolutely, And I do think that that mentality, by
the way, just to highlight it, if one wins, we
all win. That's a big part of who we are.
I'm not a culture you know, I don't get too
t no, but you know what I mean. It's like,
you know, there's there's there's we we have a long

(19:46):
way to go. And I'm talking about representation. I'm talking
about seeing ourselves on screen, especially in the way that
I feel very docutive portrayed mcfreeze as a man of
the culture, as a black man, seeing him. If one wins,
we all you know what I mean, seeing us. I
feel very good as a coach in doing that and
lifting each other, you know, understanding that we see ourselves

(20:08):
representing it on screen, and that means a lot, you
know what I mean. So I think that mentality is
communicatable from the film or certa in real life, you
know what I mean, especially in my life.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And you know what that's and what's cool about that
is right, it's a It's a universal truth. But when
it comes when you look at it from the lens
of people like us, it means it means something You
know what I'm saying, Like you know, as someone who
kind of you know, I I have an oxymoron job, right,
I throw my opinions out on the internet. That's right,

(20:43):
Like you know, when it comes and when it comes
to film, like you know, you open yourself up to
like criticism and you open yourself and as a.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Black man even even more so.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right, And so you know, when I started, you know,
I just wanted to be the guy who talks about
movies and just share what I love with people. And
then I realized very quickly that there's some people who won't.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Let you do that. Right.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
But and shit, I'm gonna get deep. It's really earlier.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
But you know, the thing that like moves me the most,
like truly moves me, right, is like I'll be out
and about. I'll go to like a convention, or I
go to like CinemaCon, or I'll go to a movie
theater or something like that, and a black man walks
up to me, or like a young black kid who's
younger than me, and they want to do what I
do and they.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Say, you're the reason why I started this.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I didn't like that, Like, I never thought that there
are people thinking that I didn't know that someone who
looked like me could exist in the rooms that you do,
saying what you do the way that you do it right.
And you know, I keep I thug.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It out like in the moment, but you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
But like sometimes I'll be like just sitting in my
room or like making a video, and I think about
that and it's like, that's the reason why we do
it right.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
You know what I'm saying. I can't. I can't grieve
you more. And by the way, that doesn't surprise me.
You know you are, you're representing in a big way.
And just to you know, not put too much on you,
because I don't like you're uncomfortable with that. It's true.
I've had the same experience. Man. You know, sometimes it's
quite applicable to the film as well. You feel like

(22:11):
you're walking this path alone, you know what I mean.
You're just doing things for you and your family, but
you realized that you're part of something way bigger and
if you're able to inspire, if you're able to do that,
then be open to that. And I feel that's a
big that's a big thing. I think I think that's
the big one.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
It's like, if you're able to write, and I think
I think a lot of people need to. The thing
that like I struggle with the most is realizing that
I am where I am right and that if I stop,
that takes one more seat away from the table. You
know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like it's the
call to action, right that we love in movies so much.
It's the call to being a hero. You know.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't want to say like we're heroes.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
But you're a hero. Listen, man, You're a hero.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Like I'm dead bro when I'm telling you, like growing
up as a kid man like it used to for me,
not being exposed to much.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It used to just be Denzel will Smith.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right, But now we got it Yourselba, we got Herschela Ali,
we got David Johnson.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
We've got you know, listen, we got Ryan Cooper, we
got Michael b We got you know what I'm saying.
You want to talk about Holly Berry, you want to
talk about Angel Bassett, you want to talk about Winter Brunson.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
You know what I'm saying. It's ray like it's.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So important that we're seeing people operate on the level.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That we are, and that they're creating something that's like
not just cultural for us, but we're doing it on.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
A universal scale, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
And The Long Walk is a universal movie. You know,
I got people from all colors in it, and you know,
but to have to have a big freeze look like us,
it means to be the light, you know what I'm saying.
Like that means something. So I just want to listen
be a therapy session.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I just all right, oh my god, hold on, let
me get my my notes out real quick.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
We get a chance to.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Dry our eyes. I'll tell you, man, all right, all right,
all right, let's see.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh man, So something something I found out about you
is that you're a fan of practical effects, you know,
especially like working with on Alien Romulus and kind of
like seeing like how the like metronics, the electronics work
and everything I need to know, like the practical effects
in this movie, like how brutal it is. Were you
equally as obsessed with this as you were like on
Alien or is it like a different way you can say, Oh,

(24:41):
that's a little too realistic for me.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
You know what? You know what it was? It was
different in a way, but nonetheless the way you tackle
it is kind of similar, you know, Like it's what
I'm looking for is the truth of a situation, and
Alien is an interesting one because obviously none.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Of it, you know what I mean. But that's the
story for another day.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
But the thing about the Long that I really did
love is that, yeah, like you know, like we said
earlier on, is that you're in it. You know, you're
locked in the practical effects as you walking, you know,
and if you stop, it all falls apart. And I
really really loved that. It lifted the stakes in a
way that I just think was elevated. The art, elevated

(25:26):
what we were doing, and I'm just yeah, I think
having that experience was unique. Yeah, and that's what makes
this film unique.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
As an audience member, I found myself like swarming in
my seat because I started to feel the exhaustion. Like
there's a moment where a character starts feeling something in
their legs, and really I kind of start feeling my
leg It couldn't been just like my hair, just just
maybe it's like yeah, maybe it's I'm just like, who

(25:53):
was that, you know, And I'm thinking and it's It's
that connectivity from audience to movie that comes through because
it's because you see them.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Walking in it's non stop.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's that moment that I feel like you're you know,
we all search for when we watch a movie and
it's the question of how did they do that right?
You know, and it's like you can you can do
it in a sense where you make like an alien
reel and know how did they make that into something
that feels tangible?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
But walking is something that we can.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
All do, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So to ask that question of like, how are these
people doing that? I think it's very powerful.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I totally agree with you. I think it's the biggest
trojan horse for this movie, which I'm quite excited for
people to see it because we can all walk. But
why are you walking? You know? Why? Why?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Why?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Why would you continue to walk and not stop? And
I think that's it raises questions about your motivation in life.
Like you said, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
So we only got a couple of minutes left. But
there's there's some things that I want to get into
when it comes to this movie. Most most definitely, because
me and Cooper talked about this, we gushed about you.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
For a kulot we did. It's too late.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's okay, it's going on. But I was just again
going to the Shawshank thing. Like some of my favorite
things about Shawshank is just like the lines like these
these lines of hope, these bars right, And there's a
moment in the.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Movie where you and Garritty.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Are talking and you just say this, it's very You
have a lot of like bar lines, right, a lot
of like complex ones, a lot of ones you gotta
go back home and like think on and whatnot. But
this one like hit me like straight to the heart
when you just simply look at Garrett.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And say you want to walk with me a while?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And it's partly the delivery, but it's also partly the
context behind it of we're in this life together. Can
you just like be with me? Can we be in
this moment like together? And that was like very very
powerful because he just met him like the day before,
you know what I'm saying, and like to like outstretch
your hand in a competition where there can only be

(27:51):
one and say walk.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
With me, like yeah, it just it hits man so deep, honestly,
you know, thank you. But that's you know, I be honest,
but I think that's like that's that's on the page. No,
that's you burn it out though, you say, I feel
like it's a combination. But those things, you know, how
often do we really say that to people? Often do
we really offer It's like, it's a genuine offer. It's
what I think Freeze is doing in that moment, And

(28:15):
you're right, it is touching. It's mad touching, it's mad
moving like yeah, like yeah, connection is what we crave. Yeah,
how often do we actually that reach out? You know?
Like I know that in my family and you know,
my people, my boys, like sometimes they struggle to be
able to say stuff like that. So I had a
pleasure actually in doing that. I don't know if I

(28:35):
did my real life. I'm trying. I'm trying to open
up a bit more, but like, I love that. I
love those characters that have vulnerability, a bit of strength
and vulnerability. The duality of it for me is just
really interesting as an.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, for sure, all right, we got about a minute
and a half left and I want to lose.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's on the subject of lines, and one of the
subject of movies.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Do you have like a movie line that is like
kind of like stuck with you and just kind of
like sticks in your brain like a your worm.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
It's success is nothing without the person you love to
share with. Where's that from? Come man? Say it again?
Success is nothing that the person you love to share with.
I don't want to run out the time that Wasey Yeah,

(29:27):
Williams Okay. It's like turns a Diana Ross when she
thinks she's like this big person okay, and he's like, yo,
just remember, success is nothing the person you have to
share it with. And that movie line just sticks to
my heart. It's true. That's a that's a recommendation on
Get Wrecked. I love it. I love it all right.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I'm in this with the line that I love and
I'm cheat a little bit because it's not from a movie.
I just played this game and it's just been sticking
with me.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I get it tattooed. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's from God a war racked rock.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh yeah, and it says to grieve only I think
it's to grieve only happens to the people who have
love fully, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
And that's that was a bar from you that it's
a bar probably what you it.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
But it's a bar, is it not? Thank you so
much for talking to day I betture, seriously, thank you
so much.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
What's going on, everybody?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's your boy, Juji Green aka straw had Goofy, your
movie guy, and I'm sitting here with Cooper Hoffman, star
of The Long Walk.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
How are we doing, my guy?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
We're doing all right, We're doing all right.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, dude, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
To talk to you because I saw this movie early,
like last week, already immediately like in my top ten
of the year.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Holy shit, Sorry, I think we can do that.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
We're gonna keep that in bout.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, great, But what I love about this movie so
much is that it reminds me a lot of what
a movie that I consider perfect, which is Shrawshank Redemption.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
A lot of that vibe from.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
It, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
But before we like get fully into it, what I
like to do on my show is that I like
to get to know, like actors, directors on what type
of movies that they watch inspire them.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
And so I want to.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Know, like, what are some movies that kind of like
rerouted your brain chemistry that's we're just kind of like
this is this is making Cooper Hoffman in real time.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Yeah yeah, I oh my god, there's so many I
would say that, like, and I think I've been saying
this for a long time, but my favorite movie in
the movie that kind of made me want to do
movies or just do anything in movies, it's probably Fantastic
Mister Fox.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Okay, oh show, Okay, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
No, that movie is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love that movie with no pun intended.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
No pun intended, And I was I also would say
that there's a movie I feel like it doesn't get
enough recognition, but it's like one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Is Bad News Bears. Oh yeah, the nineteen seventies. Yeah yeah, okay,
that one is sick all right. And I also just
like love sports movies.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
No sports movie.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Honestly, sports movies are like some of my favorite like
shove genre of movies. They're all like that, they're great,
Like I feel like we haven't gotten a great kind
of like underdog kids.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
No sports movie.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
No, oh my god, No, you know what I'm saying,
Like we haven't got the kids that put on the
shoes and become Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Really exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
We need some more like Mike I would love.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Oh my god, listen.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Hopefully this conversation will get more of those like I hope.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
So when I tell you when I was growing up,
I'm talking like like Mike, I'm talking you ever watch
The Sandlot?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Obviously?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Sandlot? Right?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, I'll give you like a deep deep cut. You
ever watched The Big Green? No, it's like The Sandlot,
but with like soccer.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I see somebody not it was like this old Disney film.
It's basically Sandlot but with soccer. These live in the
middle of nowhere and this teacher from London says, I'm
going to teach.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
You about football. Oh that's all form a whole team
mascots of.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Go like, no, I love it.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
I love movies that have absolutely no reasoning behind them.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
And you're immediately no, it's like, come.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
On, we need more little giants. We need more than
we need all that. You were right here, Yes, we're
right here. I love I love hearing this man like
the movies that I talk about all the time. Like
I said, Sewshank REDEMPTI was that for me. Yeah, like
you know her, like with Spike Jones. Yes, mister Fox,
that's that's a good pool. That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Wes Anderson.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's pretty great.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, it's that animation is crazy.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
I'm trying to think of, like there's any others that
like really kind of like like there were so many obviously,
but like I'm thinking about, like.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Thinking about what changed, Yeah, changed me.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's like a human.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
You know, Like I'm watching Girls right now, yeah, the
first time, and I'm like, that's kind of where I'm
at in my life, and that feels like it's changing
me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
TV shows do that a lot, like Dave, Like I
love those Dickey Dave's great and last one, I'm gonna
say it's a Master of None, Like I haven't seen
the Master watch Master of None the first season.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It's like perfect television.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Love perfect season.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Two, Like I cheered, like even though it ends on
a clipping.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Laughing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
But what I wanted to get into with you man,
like how do you I don't know if you know this,
but like you know, I was like deep diving into
you because I've been.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
A good fan of you since you know, Licorice Pizza.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
But you're kind of a mysterious guy really kind of
like you don't really do a lot of these type
of interviews that you know, you're kind of like low key.
You talked about style, you like to be comfortable, style
and stuff like that. Like, how do you feel about
like that label being placed on you is like a
mysterious Cooper Hoffman.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
I mean, I think that's the dream, right, Everyone kind
of wants to be mysterious.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
I don't feel very.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
MYSTERI I feel like I overtalk a lot, and I
think anyone that actually knows me knows I'm not mysterious
at all, right, But I but I I think that
that's like a you know, I think a lot of
people do a lot of things that they don't have
to do, and I try not to do anything I
don't have to do, right right.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
See, I remember that you remind me of this song
lyric that I cannot remember the name of the song
for the life, but I always you know, those lyrics
that kind of stick with you. Of course, there was
this lyric that said like I want to be so
big to the point where I can get into the
club for free, but not so big where people.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Keep bothering me.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Wait what is this?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Since I've heard it, I was like, yo, I want that.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Like, that's hilarious and you're so true.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I think you're there.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I don't know if I'm there. Yeah, I hope, so
I hope. I hope to be there, you know.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
But that's like yeah, also like you know, keep people
wanting more, want more.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, a little bit trying trying to do that.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
So moving into this is like because I like to
like talk about just how you started your career because
you're only twenty two. Yeah, I'm thirty three, and I'm like,
this kid's killing it. It's crazy doing amazing work. And
you know, I know you said that you didn't really
have a lot of ambition to get into acting, Like
I know you've liked work, like worked in stage plays
when you're in school, and like you did some short
films and everything.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And then one day a unknown director who is just
trying to get his big break.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
I mean, I hope he does soon, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know, he asked me, Hey, would you like to
be in my movie? That director was Paul Thomas Anderson
in that movie was Liquorice Pizza And now go to
Globe nomination later, we're sitting right here talking about Bad
News Bears.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, you know it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
It's crazy, Like, like, what was that moment where you
said I kind of got a knack for this.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I think I want to keep this ball rolling.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't think. I don't.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
I ever thought I had a knack. I think that
I was, like, you know, Paul has been a family
friend forever, like he was very much a very important
person in my life and still is. And he basically
had this script sent it to me and was like,
take a look. Let me know what you think. I
called him, I said I love the script. I said
I loved Gary, and I was like, I really want

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to do this.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
But it took it.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
But it was one of those things where I was
actually just more like nervous to do it than anything.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And it was the first moment in my life, I think.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Where I was so sure about doing something that I
felt so nervous about and that's a really nice feeling.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
That's really cool.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, And so I told him, I was like, I
want to do this.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
And then after I got done making that movie, I
thought that I had a knack for it. And then
I went and did another movie and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Know what to do at all.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
I was completely lost, right right, I.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Mean it's one thing working with a family friend who
can kind of like guide you through.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, he's holding your hand, you know, especially a guy
like that like Paul is just someone who will create
a world for you, right, and you almost.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Don't even have to do anything. It's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I remember reviewing that movie on my TikTok at YouTube
and I said, I can watch Cooper Hoffman.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And just run all day. I don't know what it
was about. Scenes where you're just running and smiling.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I'm proud of my run. You got it, Like I
got a pretty good run.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
You got a good run.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I said, this is cinema. This is I'll watch cheap
it running.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
I know, yeah, yeah, oh my god, I know this
isn't for liquors pizza. But I really I did have
to run like three miles one day.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Well look, you know what, let's talk about this because
you went from three miles to now you're walking like,
what fourteen miles a day.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think it was like fourteen or fifteen.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yeah, David knows exactly what it is, but I think
it's like fifteen.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
So this is insane.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So in the long walk, like I I I understand it.
This was filmed chronologically.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, and you walk fourteen miles a day and it's
this Yeah, it's ruling to watch on screen. Yeah, talk
to me about the process of that and does that
help your performance?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
How is that mentally?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Does it like you know, do you start to like
get a little fatigue and it starts to affect your performance?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I want to know about that, you too.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Jordan, who's a cast who's a cast member, like got
like heat stroke like four days in and it was
just like one of those things were like, oh, like
this is you know, this is actually going to like
affect us and like and like the you know, it
was just like it was actually kind of scary, I
guess to some degree of like oh, you know, we
actually have to walk right right, like we actually do
have to do No, there's no gup, but yeah, yeah,
And a lot of them are one takes. We're shooting

(39:10):
on two cameras and just like you're going and going
and going. You're doing it take multiple multiple times and
you're not it's not different setups, it's not close ups.
It's like you're just moving through a scene.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Yeah. So yeah, you're walking like fifteen miles a day
and it's kind of nice.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
You know, it's nice because I don't you know, I don't.
I don't really, I wouldn't say I'm like a method
actor and like, but there's something about it that kind
of forces you to do something in a method.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Way, right of course, you know it's forcing you constant, right, Yeah,
Like it's like you're not doing.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Anything and you just are that tired.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, you are that sweaty and you are that gross,
and it's like it does kind of help.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
It's not enjoyable, but it helps.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I mean I could tell it wasn't enjoyable. No, no, no,
it gets to a certain point in the.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Movie where I'm in my seat like just kind of like, yeah,
like this feels like awful just watching it to see
you guys do it.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
It's it's insane. But talking about some of those close
ups is uh, you and David Johnson just have like
a great like chemistry in that movie.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And you know, I've talked about Shawshank with you for
a little bit, and it reminds me a lot of
the relationship between Andy and I just had his name
in my head Andy and Red. Yeah, Shawshank redemp shit,
Like obviously this is a Stephen King adaptation. Was there
a North Star of like a chemistry test that you've
seen in other movies that you guys kind of channeled
in this because it's it's wonderful to see those one

(40:27):
takes of you just like talking to each other.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, he he I.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
I I just like David a lot, and I think
that's always really to just like the person you're acting with.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
But I would say, honestly, stand by me, I feel
like that is gonna get like, yeah, brought up a lot.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
But it is that like I'm forgetting that you characters names,
but I think it's it's it's River Phoenix, and it's
I'm forgetting what the other actor is.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
But yeah, but they're there.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Dynamic in that movie was one that we talked about
a lot before shooting, and I think it's a lot
different than that movie inherently, but but that kind of
love and that kind of thing that comes into friendship,
that like you need the other person, especially at a
pivotal time.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know, it's crazy because it's crazy because you know,
I've read The Long Walk Book and I've been kind
of waiting for this movie to come out since I
read it.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Back in college.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh, and so like watching it come to fruition, Like
I never clocked the stand by me miss of it.
Yeah yeah, but I see it now because you know,
this is in a lot of ways a coming of
age story, yes, between two characters like very very young,
and like there it's almost I described this movie as
the Long Walk towards Death, yes, because a lot of
these characters are realizing as soon as they start, I'm

(41:39):
not going to make it out of this.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
So now it's kind of like what do you do
in that moment? So it's like almost the reverse of
a coming of age where now it's like you're going
in the opposite direction.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
I mean, I think the thing that's genius about, like
the whole thing is that the long Walk is is
a metaphor for life. You're born and you start walking,
and then you like make friends along the way, people die,
you keep going, you keep walking, you make more friends,
you make enemies, whatever it is, there's the asshole, there's
the whatever it.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Is, and then you die.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yeah yeah, and it's just kind of like, you know,
you know, death is the only you know guarantee in
this life, and that's like the and that's the thing
about it of like it's it's one of those things
where you're watching it and you're watching all these people.
David has a great line in the movie that I'm
that I might butcher, but it's like, you know, I
thought that when they were gonna shoot us, a little
paper flag was gonna come out.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, and and like that, and and and there was
something about that line that was like, you know, he asked,
do you know what I mean? And I'm like, yeah,
I do, because it's so true. And I think everyone,
every human being, kind of goes through life almost ignorantly.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I'm not going to die.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, Like it's like it's not something that happens to me.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
And it's a little bit like this movie is a
little bit like what happens when you face it, what
happens when.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's right in front of you, when you're walking towards it.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, And there's there's I thought you were gonna say
this other one because he has a lot of great line.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
He has just like such a cool character.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
He's so cool.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
But it's it's such like a subtle lit because he
has a lot of cool lines. Like one of my
favorites is just kind of like, oh, you know, I
haven't spoke before, but I think i'd trying to take
this smoke, you know. But the line that like really
stuck with me and I actually wrote it down is
he just simply says.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Would you like to walk with me a while?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
So good?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Right, And it's so because it's the way he delivers
in and it's like, obviously the long walk. This is
a lot of people marching to the desk, But in
that moment, I feel like he's saying just kind of like,
would you like to just enjoy this moment?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
But yeah, man, and enjoy it? You know, don't you
want to say that? Just so many people?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Honestly, I might start saying saying that just take a walk.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Oh my god, Yeah, you have a nice date, you
have a good dinner with someone.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That's all you want to say to that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Honestly, that's a bar, that's a whole.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I like, how about David in here? They're like, yeah,
I'm gonna go talk to David later.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Oh my god, tell him, tell him, tell him what
we just came up with.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh we got we got you. This is gonna be
the new wave, all right? So we got the two
minute mark, but I got like a couple of questions
in here.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, So I want to ask.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You because again, I feel like this movie is so
brutal that in ways that people are just not expecting.
And I've seen brutality on screen before, but the way
it's depicted in this movie, it really makes you go.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, Like you know, I think we can get to
a little spoilers cause we've been talking for a little
bit spoilert but I want to talk about that. I
can't remember the actor's name right now. You can help
me out with this.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
When I was like Jojo Rabbit, Yes, yes, it really
threw me off.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Man, Like I was watching this in the theater by myself,
and to see that and to see like I'm like,
I shouldn't be seeing the inside of his face right now,
explained to me.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Just like the purpose of the violence in this movie.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
There's no other way to tell the story. There's no
other way.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
And I think that it's one of the things where
it's like you could hide the death, but we're all
seeing it right reacting us the most, and like I
don't think people see people get killed like this all
that often, but it is the way that people die.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I think it's what you really said, like and then
you die, and then and it's like the up closer
personal this, yeah, right, like you thought it was gonna
be this way, but.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
Now and also like having to like care, you know,
hold him by his backpack and let him go.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
That's really hard.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, yes, the tension in that scene is crazy because
you know, one, I never got so afraid to have
a Charlie Horse in my life.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Oh my god. But it does make you start thinking
of like, oh my god, if.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
My ankle goes with back starting and that's and that's
before the opening title, so oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
But dude, thank you so much for talking about dude.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah, you're awesome.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You're awesome, dude.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Seriously, I've been waiting for a while.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Much