ANIMALS UNDER ASSAULT: Vet Eva DeCozio’s Fight Against Pet Vaccines & Animal Sexual Abuse | Ep 44 | Going Rogue with Lara Logan - Going Rogue with Lara Logan

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Lara Logan (00:00):
And the worst part is they can't speak for
themselves.

Eva DeCozio (00:02):
No, they're like children they have no
voice.
We have to be their voice.
We are the stewards of these animals and we
should be speaking for them.

Lara Logan (00:08):
I mean, who would think that, as a vet,
part of your job is going to be patching up
animals that have been raped?

Good Lord, Well, you don't learn that in
school.

Lara Logan (00:18):
They don't prepare you for that welcome
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So my guest today is someone whose name you
probably have not heard, but I suspect that
when you hear this, when you hear what she
has to say, you will not forget.
Ava DiCosio has been a vet for more than 30
years.
Why am I talking to her today?

(02:47):
Because when we met, we talked about a
subject that's very close to my heart.
As you probably know, if you follow me, all
of my animals I think we're at 10 dogs and
nine cats right now.
I know, I know, I know I don't want to hear
about it.
Four of the puppies are still looking for
homes.
But what caught my attention so much when I

(03:11):
talked to Ava was that, after all those
years of being a veterinarian, she had some
very significant things to say, and there's
a huge parallel with some of the issues
that we're grappling with ourselves as
parents and grandparents, with our children
and with ourselves.
And what is that?
One of the biggest issues is vaccines.

(03:33):
Have you ever wondered why is it you have
to vaccinate your dog against rabies every
year, when the vaccine probably makes them
immune for life One, one vaccine.
The vaccine probably makes them immune for
life One, one vaccine.
And when there are other ways to test
whether your animal is immune or not.
So that's one of the things we're going to
be talking about today.

(03:54):
We've been talking a lot about vaccines on
the show.
It's something that now the evidence is
growing that not only have people been
targeted, but animals have been targeted
too, and a growing number of ranches,
farmers, all kinds of people that I've been
talking to are not vaccinating their
animals anymore.
So vaccinations is one thing.

(04:16):
The other part of it is the health of our
food and what that is doing to animals, and
then the other part of it, well, it's hard
to talk about, but it is in a similar way
that people have been normalizing
pedophilia.

(04:36):
I regret to say that the same thing has
been happening with normalizing sex with
animals, and that's something else that Ava
and I talked about from the very first time
we met, something I wanted her to come on
the show and talk about, because it affects
so many animals and so many people, these
issues.

(04:57):
So, ava, thank you so so much for being
here.
I see studio dog there, honey has taken a
liking to you, which is really funny
because our normal vet at home, the moment
he walks in the door, all the animals start
growling, he said.
He said to me he became a vet because he
loved animals and all they do is run from

(05:18):
it?

yes, normally, right, we all become vets
because we love them, yeah, um, and then
well, it depends on the setting, though,
right.
So if you're like a boutique vet, like I am,
yeah, they come in.
There's no stress really.
And what is a boutique vet?
Uh, a lot of holistic veterinarians are
more boutique, not your regular hospital

(05:39):
where you walk in.
There's a reception area there's already a
vibe and a and a and a, you know an
atmosphere in a veterinary hospital.
And a smell, of course, and then the
animals already get stressed.
They remember.

Lara Logan (05:51):
They hate it.
They hate it.
I mean, I literally do have 10 dogs and not
one of them ever wants to go.
Yeah, honey.

So in a regular setting, yeah, they're very
uncomfortable, and then they get taken away
to the back.

Lara Logan (06:08):
Yes.

And you know they get violated, blood draws,
you know.

Lara Logan (06:16):
Yeah, animals don't like blood draws any
more than children, right?

Not typically no.

Lara Logan (06:21):
So Ava, you have.
I mean, you were a vet for 30 years.
This was something you wanted to do from
the age of four, all your life.
Me too, by the way, cliche, I wanted to be
a vet from seven.
Well, it's never too late.
Oh yeah, it's too late, but you gave it up,
and I saw you just.

(06:41):
We met just before you were grappling with
that very difficult issue of retirement.
And tell us why.

Well, I retired from regular veterinary
medicine and now I only practice
holistically, boutique veterinary medicine.
What is boutique veterinary medicine?
So it's individualized to the patient.
It's holistic typically.

(07:13):
So I don't see three patients in an hour, I
see a patient an hour.
I usually see cases that are ill,
chronically ill, cancer, autoimmune
diseases, vaccine injuries or patients that
are young that want to prevent these things

(07:33):
from happening in the future.

Lara Logan (07:35):
So I didn't even know before we met that
holistic veterinarians exist.

We're a well-kept secret.
And a growing breed.
Not fast enough, unfortunately.
The old guard like me.
We're hoping to bring in younger
veterinarians.
Unfortunately, they have to go out on their
own and do this because when you come out
of the system you are trained just like a

(08:01):
human doctor, western, and you have no
holistic training, no natural medicine
background at all.
You're trained by the pharmaceutical
industry and the food industry and academia.

Lara Logan (08:15):
So all the same influences that govern us
in so many different ways, right, big
Pharma.
Okay, so what's the headline then?
What was it that you saw that bothered you
so much that you turned away from what you
had learned in veterinary school and went
the holistic route?

Well, I've been doing holistic for 21 years,
so it started while I was still practicing
as a, you know, integrated vet.
I would say, say western and eastern, or
western and holistic.
Um, what?
What opened my eyes about eight years out
of school was a young dog that came in and

(08:55):
with bad hips, and he was four years old
and so what do we do?
we give you an anti-inflammatory and then
we check your liver every three months to
make sure we're not damaging your liver or
surgery.
And I thought, gosh, he's four years old,
he's going to be on pharmaceuticals the
rest of his life.
We're going to damage his body with these,

(09:16):
we're going to cut his life short and I'm
not going to fix anything.
I'm not making him better.
In a sense, I'm taking care of his pain,
but at what cost?
So I thought there has to be more.
So I went down the acupuncture route.
So I started acupuncture 21 years ago and
then added in Chinese medicine, and during

(09:37):
that time I looked for other alternatives.
You have to do this on your own Veterinary
schools don't give you these.
Okay, here's what all you can do as an
alternative.
So I started doing stem cells 20 years ago
to help animals regenerate arthritis,
kidney disease, so you can use a lot of

(09:57):
natural methods to help regenerate the body.
So from there I went and got a degree in
herbal medicine and just kept going.
You know ozone, adding in some homeopathy
although I'm not a trained homeopath, but
I'm using homeopathics and no-sodes.
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No-sodes have been around for a long time.
No-sodes are like actual micro-vaccines.
No-sodes were around, I think, 800 BC.
The Chinese used smallpox-infected sputum
and inhaled it to vaccinate themselves

(13:00):
against smallpox.
So no-sodes are basically a micro vaccine.
It's a micro dose of an actual disease that
you take to treat and also to prevent
certain diseases.
So they've been around.
It was around in the 17 or 1800s.
A veterinarian used distemper dogs with

(13:24):
distemper and used their sputum to and gave
it, you know, basically gave it back to
dogs in a diluted form to, you know,
prevent them from getting the disease.
It's been used and I mean there's
literature on it too.
It's just a very well-kept secret.
It's homeopathy which you know a lot of
people think is quackery, which it's not.

(13:48):
It's been around for, I don't know, 250
years.
Homeopathy, yeah, and so using the actual,
it's, like I said, like a vaccine, right,
you take the disease, attenuate it and give
it back to Isn't that what vaccines do too,
Except?
yes, kind of like that, but of course
there's other stuff in there.

Lara Logan (14:09):
There's all the other stuff in it.
There's all the other stuff in it, and it
needs live tissue in there in order to
activate and sometimes they'll actually
inject you with.

A virus Like the canary pox virus is used
as a vector to carry the DNA of the viral
particles, so you're injecting viruses.

Lara Logan (14:27):
Yes.

Yeah, so no-sodes.
You know, even during early stages of AIDS,
they used no-sodes in patients that were
not on the.
Was it AZT yet?
Yes, and they used no-sodes to treat these
AIDS patients and their white blood cell
accounts came up.

Lara Logan (14:45):
Yes, which made their bodies stronger and
able to fight it.

And then they gave them AZT to kill them,
Right exactly.
Because they admitted later it was killing
them.
So it's an immunostimulant.
It stimulates your immune system to fight
off the disease, right, right, naturally.

Lara Logan (15:02):
Naturally Okay.
So what was the other evidence you saw of
what you think is related to vaccines?

So you know, I remember when we were doing
three vaccines on puppies.
You know, when I came out of school it was
like, oh, you do a series of three.
Shortly after I graduated, all of a sudden
it was like no, no, no, we have to do a
series of three.
Shortly after I graduated, all of a sudden
it was like no, no, no, we have to do a
series of four vaccines.
It's better for the immune system.
So we did that.

(15:32):
I was seeing a lot and we already knew.
Then there were vaccine reactions, adverse
events, and back then we reported them and
also we knew, and people my generation will
remember.
Oh, you know, don't split.
You should split vaccines on little white
dogs.
They're hypersensitive.
They tend to have vaccine reactions, cocker

(15:54):
spaniels and autoimmune diseases.
We knew this 30 years ago.
So you never vaccinate a dog that is sick.
You never vaccinate a dog that has an
infection.
You shouldn't vaccinate a dog with an ear
infection or with a skin infection.
All that went away.
It's like common.
That's immunology 101, right, when you're

(16:15):
sick you should not receive a vaccine.
But yet it's widely practiced.
Oh, I'm here right now.
Well, he has got an ear infection, but he's
due for his vaccine, so let's just do it
all.
It's going to create the perfect storm in
about four weeks, and not just one vaccine.
We're using little dogs like Honey getting

(16:36):
four vaccines all at once.
Honey, I know it's terrible, poor.

Lara Logan (16:40):
Honey, sorry, baby.

Things have changed over the last 30 years
that I saw Poor honey, sorry, baby.
So vaccinating as a regular vet, I was
splitting vaccines.
For the last 30 years I've been splitting
vaccines.
I always thought that it's way too much to
put into a little body, or not getting too
many vaccines, obviously.
But COVID changed my opinion of a lot of

(17:16):
stuff too.
So you know you start questioning things.
Yes, what they've been teaching us and
feeding us in school, and I think it's just
getting worse.

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So what are the effects of the vaccines?
What are the things you observed clinically

(18:34):
that made you concerned?

Immediate vaccine reactions are usually.
It can be anaphylaxis, can be hives,
swelling, vomiting, diarrhea.
It's usually the long-term effect, about
three to four weeks later.
Autoimmune diseases autoimmune hemolytic
anemia I'm treating a dog right now that
had a rabies vaccine and two weeks later

(19:00):
she had encephalitis and seizures and just
horrible, horrible.
Um, she was on steroids for four months on
high doses and the owner thought she was
going to have to euthanize her.
So we've we're supporting her with
alternative medicine and we've weaned her
off steroids and yeah, I know, so it's not

(19:20):
a coincidence.
I mean anything ranging from local
reactions to severe autoimmune.
I'm seeing young dogs with cancer.
So the question of turbo cancer in animals
why all these young dogs with cancer?
You know, and they're all.

Lara Logan (19:38):
Of course I can't prove it, but they're all
vaccinated yeah, I was going to going to
say the first thing.
The counter to what you're saying will be
well, how do you know that was caused by
the vaccine?
That's not the vaccine.
That would be one counter, and then the
other counter would be well, you're putting
animals and people at risk if you don't

(19:58):
vaccinate.

Yeah, I don't know that the incidence of
rabies is that high.
And then again, lifestyle.
What lifestyle is your dog leading?
Is this a three-pound Yorkie that never
leaves the house?
Right, how is this dog going to be a risk
to anyone?

Lara Logan (20:17):
Well, I guess if somebody's over, somebody
has kids and they're running and the kid
gets bitten, I mean, I don't know.

Well, if the dog bites a child, even if the
dog's had no exposure to rabies and is an
indoor dog only, and there's no way the
state gets involved, yeah Well, in Texas, I
mean, you have to quarantine your dog,
which after two weeks they know there's no
rabies, which after two weeks they know
there's no rabies.

Lara Logan (20:42):
And then if you're not up to date on your
vaccinations which I love because all of
our dogs have been vaccinated repeatedly
except the puppies and now I'm having
people say we want puppies but not if
they've been vaccinated and other people
are saying I spoke to ranches over the

(21:02):
weekend in the last few days and they're
all saying they don't vaccinate their
cattle anymore and their goats and their
sheep and everything, and they say that
their animals have never been healthier.

Yeah, well, and you can create natural
immunity in all of them, right, right, so
you can create natural immunity with the
no-sodes, so you don't have to just use
no-sodes to treat them, but you can create
natural immunity for rabies, for example.
An easy way.
Well easy.
Of course, people are going to probably

(21:37):
dispute this, but you can use rabies
no-sodes and then take your dog.
You can't give no-sodes and keep your dog
in a bubble or your cat, right?
So if your dog is not going to go out and
be exposed to other dogs, you're not going
to create immunity.
You have to have that exposure to the
vaccinated or dog parks, whatever.
So you can actually and I've seen it I've
seen positive titers in dogs that are

(21:59):
completely unvaccinated and have only taken
no-sodes.

Lara Logan (22:04):
I see so.
And what do you mean by a titer?
That's like a marker in the blood.

Yes, it's antibodies to parvo or distemper
or rabies.

Lara Logan (22:12):
And that will tell you that the dog is, or
the animal is immune.
Right Is protected, and can you get that
off to one, like if your animals had one
rabies vaccine?
Is that enough?

Oftentimes, yes, but nobody will recognize
that.
It's not recognized by the state or by the
government as a valid form of coverage,
right?
So they won't.
They still want to see the vaccine.
Even if you have titers that are positive
and say you have enough immunity, they
won't recognize it.
So there's some people working on changing
that's state by state, by the way, too.

Lara Logan (22:48):
Yeah, and is that a money thing?
Oh, I'm sure, and a liability thing, right,
I think it's a money thing, I think it's.

my personal opinion is that it's the
vaccine lobby telling legislators no, no,
we need to have annual or whatever every
three years.
Is it annual in Texas?
I think so.

Lara Logan (23:07):
Well it's every three years in Tennessee,
so whatever the rule is repeatedly
vaccinating your animal for something
they're probably already immune to is
pointless.
Yes, and how much money do vets make out of
this?

On vaccines Mm-hmm.
You know well, it's definitely going to
generate income.
It's getting them in every year for the
vaccines.

Lara Logan (23:34):
I mean, is it like pediatric vaccines where
it makes up?
You know, people say between 50 and 70, as
much as 70% of a pediatrician's revenue
comes from the vaccine schedule.
Probably not.

I'm not you know what.
I don't know how much it, but it's not.
But it is a good revenue stream.
It's a sizable income.
Yeah, yeah.

Lara Logan (23:53):
Yeah, Okay.
And then the other thing that you and I
talked about that was so disturbing was
that you said you had seen a rise in the
sexual abuse of animals.

Yeah, it's very disturbing.
I mean, I saw this probably even 15 years
ago.
It's not reported, and you know of all the
50 states.
When I did my training, we don't get this
kind of training in vet school, so you are
not trained to recognize sexual abuse in
animals.

(24:29):
At least when I was in school it was not
discussed.
I did a residency in pathology.
It wasn't brought up there either.
And that's pathology, right?
So maybe it's changed.
I doubt it, right.
So maybe it's changed.
I doubt it.
Um, when I did my training um for forensic
um, pathology in I think it was in 2008, it

(24:51):
was with law enforcement.
Yeah, the there were nine states that had
mandatory reporting in the country.
Now it's about 20.
There's still states that have no reporting,
and that's any abuse.
That's not just sexual abuse, that's any
abuse.
There's still, I think, three states in the
country that have you don't have to report

(25:11):
it.
Then there's the ones that can voluntarily
report abuse, which to me, is crazy.
That's crazy.
I mean, we mean, if we are not reporting,
as a veterinarian, the suspicion of abuse
or abuse, then we're co-conspirators, right,

(25:32):
because violence against animals is
violence.

Lara Logan (25:35):
Yes.

In any form.
Right, but it's not mandatory.
There's no reporting laws that are for all
the states.
Some states have it.

Lara Logan (25:45):
And what's the kind of violence that you
would see?

Well, neglect is a form of violence.
I've seen kind of disturbing things like
hoarding, physical abuse, Hoarding,
Hoarding what do you mean?
You know, like dogs, hundreds of dogs
sitting in confined areas and people just

(26:09):
it's a mental illness where they have you
know 100 dogs all in cages sitting in their
own feces.
Yeah, it was awful, Wow.

Lara Logan (26:22):
Yeah, where was that?
Wow, yeah, where was that when.
Where.

Oh, in Arizona.

Lara Logan (26:28):
So this is a thing people do, they just
hoard animals.

Yes.
In confinement, like that, yes, well, and
then somebody ended up turning them in.
So then the police goes in, so then the
police goes in.
So again, this is all.
The police have to be doing the right thing
as well, and a lot of police don't have the
training on animal, the humane treatment of

(26:56):
animals, or they call it just a dog or just
a cat or just an animal and know, and then
the chain of custody is broken or something
happens and the case is tossed.
So a lot of these cases, even if they do
end up getting reported, are tossed and the
perpetrator walks.

(27:17):
So, including sexual abuse, and those are
super underreported.
So because you have to see somebody doing
it, nobody's going to turn themselves in.

Lara Logan (27:28):
No.

And I had a case where the neighbors saw.
Well, they saw the neighbor abusing their
dog and they brought the dog in and we did
a rape kit on the dog.
And they brought the dog in and we did a
rape kit on the dog.
So I called the police and so we did
exactly you know how you're supposed to do
it with a police report, a rape kit, and it
did come back as the guy's DNA.

(27:53):
It's just, it's very disturbing, which is
basically human semen yes.
Yeah it's just it's appalling.
It's appalling, but when I did this
training, we learned that most sexual
deviance or predators, when they started
abusing children, they've started with
animals first.

(28:14):
So it's probably worse than we know.
Because it's not reported.
You don't get the reports, or it's Buried,
buried get the reports or it's, you know,
Buried swept under the rug.
Yes, or maybe vets see it.
Don't recognize it because you have to look
for certain areas of trauma.
Right, it's not.

(28:34):
You know, a dog comes in, that's painful.
Well, the owner's not going to say, yeah,
this is what I did.

Lara Logan (28:40):
No, Good Lord, no Right.
They're not going to say, yeah, this is
what I did.
No Good Lord, no Right.
They're not going to admit to that.

But you know, I think it's become.
I mean, the morals in our country are just
hit rock bottom.
I think it's become acceptable to a certain
degree.
I mean, look at a movie like what?
What's her name?

(29:04):
Just did the blonde um.

Lara Logan (29:06):
Nicole Kidman yes.

Where she's fantasizing about a dog while
she's doing this BDSM stuff.
I mean, we're normalizing it right, or or
it's acceptable.
Um, I had a.
I have a um ER, uh, a client who's an ER
doctor, a pediatric ER doctor, so she sees
everything up to 18, right?
So teenagers, and we were just comparing

(29:29):
notes one day and she said, yeah, well, I
had a teenager come in who was bit in the
penis by the dog and I said what?
And she said, yeah, he was encouraging the
dog to lick him, but the dog bit him.

Lara Logan (29:46):
Wow, he deserved it.
Yes, he deserved it, but he didn't bite it
off.

But this should be reported.
Yes, he's a minor.
Yeah, where is it?

Lara Logan (29:53):
going to go.

Where is it going to go?

Lara Logan (29:55):
Yeah, if you're doing that, it's a child.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Good Lord, so it's, and it was in Tennessee.
So no reporting, no mandatory reporting.
I mean, I don't know if physicians have to
report that stuff, but veterinarians in
Tennessee do not have to report.
They can volunteer to report it.

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They don't have to report that.
No, there's only 20 states that require
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Like what?

Lara Logan (31:35):
Yes, that's insanity.
Yes, so how do you know if a dog has been
sexually abused?
Well, um, if someone didn't witness it,
what are the signs that you look for?

Well, if somebody brings in a dog that's
acting painful or acting abnormal, you
would see bruising on the inside of the
legs.
You may see injuries around the vulva,
around the anus, because they do use the
anus too.

(32:09):
Strictures in the anus.

Lara Logan (32:12):
What is a stricture?

Like narrowing and scar tissue inside the
anus from repeated trauma.
A friend of mine was a prosecutor and these
people like to film themselves and I think
that's how maybe we're catching more people,
but for some reason these perverts like to
film themselves.

(32:35):
I think she said they had a case where
there was a rape stand and the guy was
filming himself raping his Rottweiler.
What is a rape stand?
It is a well, it's a contraption where they
tie the dog up so the dog can't get away,
and then he abused the dog.

Lara Logan (32:57):
Yeah, raped the dog.
Raped the dog.
Yes, a Rottweiler Mm-hmm.
Yeah, raped the dog.
Raped the dog.
Yes, a Rottweiler Mm-hmm.
How does that dog not like savagely when
it's released from that?
Savage that person.

I don't know, Probably wearing a muzzle,
I'm sure the dog.
So she prosecuted that case.
I don't think he got much time either.
So that's the thing you get a slap on the
wrist.

Lara Logan (33:24):
Well, you know, it's interesting that now
you know pedophiles, there's a political
ideological movement that has renamed
pedophiles, minor attracted persons or maps,
you know, and it's this sort of this
ideology that pushes the idea that you idea

(33:44):
that just because you're born with having a
sexual thing for children doesn't make you
a bad person and you're not a pedophile
unless you commit an act.
And it's kind of like zoophilia right is
the term that they use for someone who has
perhaps a sexual attraction to animals.

(34:07):
But bestiality is distinct as people who
have sex and engage in sexual acts with
animals.
And I was researching and reading about it
and of course there's a school of thought
that bestiality is not really about the
animals, it's about something else.
I guess, like the same way that rape is

(34:29):
often about power and domination and
political goals.
Right, destroying the genealogy or the
blood of a race.
Right, eliminating tribes and sects and,
you know, people, right, eliminating
nationalities.
You know so that you're not purely.

(34:51):
I mean, I saw this in multiple countries
where I worked as a journalist over the
years in war.
So rape is a weapon of war.
Even the Nazis had sex slaves.
Nobody likes to talk about that because of
course it doesn't fit with the narrative,

(35:12):
because if the whole war was fought on the
basis that these are Aryans, the Aryan race,
why would you defile the Aryan race with
the body, right and blood of a Jewish woman?
But actually the Nazis did have sex slaves
that would keep them in houses and when

(35:32):
they were losing the war, you know, if they
were forced to withdraw and give up
territory, they would murder all the women
before they left.
So it's one of the ways they would murder
all the women before they left.
So it's one of the ways they would find
these houses.
I know this from a French Catholic priest
that I worked with.
At 60 Minutes, we did two stories together,
which is very unusual.
At 60 Minutes you really have to be in

(35:53):
another league you know, to make it on
there twice.
One of the things he had done was to study
the Second World War and go door-to-door to
door to door in these villages across
Eastern Europe, interviewing firsthand
eyewitnesses who were kids at the time, and
so he did this for I mean 18, 20 years.

(36:13):
I think he's still doing it.
What's his name?
Thousands of interviews, over 6,000, I
think Father Patrick Desbois.
He has an organization, yahad in Unum,
which means together as one, and just
interesting, the policy in Eastern Europe
was different to everywhere else, and so

(36:36):
these are acts that people have done
throughout history.
But you just wonder, when it comes to
animals, I've talked to a number of
different people who's who see similarities
in the ideology, you know, sort of this, uh,
giving it a scientific kind of name,
looking for a sort of scientific
explanation for something that's basically

(36:58):
depraved.

It is just just it's demonic, it's just so.
It's so disturbing and so awful.
You know, I can't even when I saw animals
it just really.
I mean, I know you've seen and experienced
horrible things too, so it just like

(37:21):
shatters you.

Lara Logan (37:23):
It shatters you.
So how did you handle it?
I mean, when you look at someone and you
know they've been abusing, or someone in
the family in the house has been abusing
that animal, how do you deal with that?

Well, I haven't had that since I'm doing
the holistic stuff now in the last years in
Tennessee, thankfully.
Well, it's hard.
I mean, I'm angry.
I'm angry.
I had no problem reporting people.
I had no problem reporting people, did you?
Ask them questions, uh-huh To try to figure

(38:01):
out, and I had no problem and I and I was
able to in in arizona and I think all 50
states give you uh, I forget what it's
called.
It's something that protects you.
You have the suspicion, um, you're
protected from liability I see if it's not.
If it's not, true, but, um, I, I didn't
have a problem reporting them because I
could tell and the police then, you know,

(38:24):
investigated, did it go anywhere?
You know, did they?
Did the chain of custody get dropped?
It was just an animal.

Lara Logan (38:34):
And the worst part is they can't speak for
themselves.

No, they're like children.
They have no voice.
We have to be their voice.
We should be.
We are the stewards of these animals and we
should be speaking for them.
You know.
So it's when you would see abuse.
It was.
It's hard.
I mean I, you know, I I've never seen
children, so that I think is probably even

(38:58):
worse, but it's hard.
It's hard to sleep when you've seen it,
knowing what people are able to do.

Lara Logan (39:08):
I mean, who would think that, as a vet,
part of your job is going to be patching up
animals that have been raped?

Good Lord, Well, you don't learn that in
school, they don't prepare you for that,
and who knows how many vets miss that.
That's what actually happened.

Lara Logan (39:27):
Yes.

And I don't think we see a lot of them are
not taken to the vet.

Lara Logan (39:32):
Well, I was going to say is why does
someone who's abusing their animal bring
them in to?

the vet.
Just like the ones who do the dog fighting,
those dogs, unless there's a raid and the
dogs are taken, you're not going to see
dogs.
Maybe.
Sometimes I had a few where I had suspected
it was dog fighting and they were just
valuable dogs that were injured, yeah, but
the dog fighting, you know this whole

(39:59):
remember Michael Vick and all that yeah,
those dogs don't make it to a vet, they
just kill them, they just shoot them or you
know it's just disgusting.
So there's also ritual abuse of animals,
not just sexual but also you know the

(40:19):
satanic ritual abuse of animals, the
torturing of animals.
Usually you don't get those until they're
dead.

Lara Logan (40:28):
But you can see what happened to them, yeah,
so what kind of things?

I think, well, I saw some cats that were
maybe physically abused, but of course the
owners brought them in, so we don't know
who may have done it.
But, um, but you know, maybe at in in
pathologists may see more of that.
And when I was doing this course, it was
like I said, uh, uh, it was law enforcement

(40:55):
and veterinarians, because they should be
working together and law enforcement need
that training and there's some police
departments that have specific animal
officers.
I think DeKalb County had it.
So there's some police departments that are
advanced like that, that actually have

(41:16):
specific animal cruelty and animal crimes
departments, but the smaller police
departments don't.

Lara Logan (41:24):
So that's one thing that you're interested
in.
Is you think they should be training?

Oh, yes, and I encouraged, when we were in
Arizona after that course, local agencies
to train their officers or send their
officers, specific officers, to training,
but they didn't have money.
There's no money for it.

Lara Logan (41:43):
No, there's no money for it.
No, there's no money for it.
It's not a priority anywhere is it?
It's not a priority, but how widespread is
it?
The abuse?

Yeah, oh, it's all over, it's all over.
I mean, here's another thing, and this is
not ritual abuse.
But I had a client come the other day who
had a hunting dog they sent to the trainer
and she said the trainer neutered him.
And I'm like, is he a vet?

(42:11):
And she said no.
And I said what?
How did he neuter him?
You wouldn't approve.
And I'm like, no, I don't approve, I
wouldn't approve.
How did he neuter him?
I think he put rubber bands around his
testicles.
Because I'm like, how do you neuter a dog?
She said it was old school.

(42:33):
So this is happening in our-.
How painful is that?
Horrible, it's horrible.
What kind of dog was he?
A setter?
Oh, a big dog, a beautiful dog.
And so the trainer decided to just
strangulate the testicles.

(42:54):
I mean, I'm assuming that's what he did,
because how else are you going to castrate
a dog that's without drugs?
He's not just going to stand there and if
you cut off his testicles he'll bleed to
death.
So he must have done it with rubber bands
or tied them off somehow, were they?

Lara Logan (43:15):
still there?
No, they were gone.
It's amazing.

It is amazing.
It is amazing that somebody can do that.
You know where's your humanity, where's our
compassion.
They're sentient, I mean they're so.
They're so connected to us, right, they
feel?
Our emotions and take on our afflictions.

(43:44):
I've seen that for 30 years where dogs take
on exactly what the owner has, exactly like
even weird stuff, weird anemias, where the
owner has that anemia and the dog develops
the same anemia.
So how do you explain that?
Explain that, but what we're doing to these
animals, we're still.

(44:09):
There's a long way to go.

Lara Logan (44:12):
Well, the other part of what you do is
related to the food.
How bad is the food that we're giving out
our pets?

Well, it depends on what you're feeding,
but it's pretty bad.
So I've seen this well since I started
practicing when I was a student.
We went to Italy and we went to Assisi and
it was fantastic and we were examining at
the you know, examining dogs there and they

(44:44):
were all healthy, and even the old dogs.
Nobody was fat, nobody had bad teeth,
everybody was in great shape.
And I said to them what do you?
Because this is 30 years ago or more, and
back then we already had fat American dogs
were fat, with diabetes and hypothyroidism
and bad teeth and all the things.

(45:06):
And I said what are you feeding them?
And they said whatever we eat, they eat.
And I said oh, that's a sin.
We're told that that's the worst thing you
could do is feed your dog off the table.
Right, yes, scraps.
Well, what were we doing for 10,000 years
until the dog food industry evolved?
They were eating scraps and yes-.

Lara Logan (45:24):
I always say to people what do you mean?
Human food is bad for them.
I mean, so dog food is good for them.
I mean that's ridiculous.

It's heated up to 5,000 degrees so there's
no nutritional value left.
They have to add the nutrients back in.
But remember, they put pretty pictures on
the bags and it's not good cuts of meat
that are in there, it's the crap at the
slaughterhouse that we can't eat.
So this is cows that have been treated with
antibiotics or pentobarbitales in their

(45:56):
food because they've been euthanized, or
it's claws udders whatever.

Lara Logan (46:00):
Oh my goodness yeah.

And glyphosate's in the food.
I mean there's toxins in there.

Lara Logan (46:07):
Even these foods that advertise as if
they're there's ancient grains and know
this and know that.

You can call a food organic.

Lara Logan (46:15):
Yeah.

If you put organic salt in it organic sea
salt you could put roadkill in it and call
it organic, so it's a big scam.

Lara Logan (46:28):
Wow, and it's worth how much.
Oh, who knows?

$60 billion, I don't know.
So the pet food industry, the veterinary
industry, it's an industry, right?
I don't know how many billions of dollars
it's worth, but they tap into it because of
our emotions, right?

(46:54):
Mars candy bars they own.
They have more stock in the veterinary or
animal industry than in the candy bar
industry.

Lara Logan (47:04):
Wow, so they're producing a lot of the dog
food.

They produce some of the dog food.
Royal Canin belongs to them, but you know,
like Colgate, I think, owns Hills Science
Diet, Waltham Purina, I forget.
They're all owned by big corporations.

Lara Logan (47:27):
So it's it's, uh, monopolies again, pretty
much like the meatpacking industry, right
when it's Tyson's and I think it's Cargill,
I can't quite remember but there's four
companies that dominate meatpacking, and so
small farms are disappearing and you
disappearing, and the mom and pop shops,
whether it's family farms or family
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Small, privately owned veterinarians right
were a total minority, because so I worked
for a large corporation when I graduated
because I had a child, so it was easy.
It was easy to just do my banker's hours
and go home to my child.

(49:47):
But now you're almost enslaved because you
come out of that school with $300,000,
$400,000 in debt.
So that's a mortgage.
You have no training in how to run a
business or how to open it.
You have no experience.
What are you going to do?
You're going to go work for somebody.

Lara Logan (50:05):
Yeah, and you have a mortgage, but you
don't have a house.

Right, exactly.
You have a car payment and you have a
student loan to pay off.
You don't have a house and I don't know
what vets are starting these days, probably
around 85 to 90, maybe a hundred, I don't
know, not much.
When I started, it was $45,000 a year, so
we weren't making a lot of money.

Lara Logan (50:29):
And that's a long time to be in school.
Yeah.

So, you go work for somebody and most of
them are corporations.
So the small vets are, you know, and when
you want to retire and sell your practice,
a regular person can't afford to buy that
anymore, so people end up having to sell it
to a corporation.
There are some a friend of mine in Colorado
she actually I think her thing went viral

(50:59):
on Twitter or TikTok she knows somebody in
Colorado that wasn't going to sell to a
corporation.
She took less money to sell to an
individual veterinarian and that
veterinarian turned it around and flipped
it and made yeah, yeah, unethical,

(51:20):
unethical.

Lara Logan (51:21):
Wow.

So you can try and do the right thing and
make sure that you know I know of that in
Tennessee who he will not sell unless it's
a private owner, who has millions of
dollars.
It takes millions to buy a business.

Lara Logan (51:36):
It takes millions to buy a business like
that, how do you know that the food is not
good?

Well, I tell my patients, my clients
anything processed, anything extruded is no
good.
Extruded, extruded, what?

Lara Logan (51:51):
does that?

mean so um heat it up to 5 000 degrees I
see all the moisture is taken out of it and
then it can get rancid.
So they have to add more um antioxidants
into it.
Uh, natural or synthetic, it's the kibble,
it's the cardboard stuff.
So dehydrated, freeze-dried is good.

(52:16):
It's much better.
Fresh is the best, of course.
What do you?

Lara Logan (52:19):
mean fresh.

Real food.

Lara Logan (52:22):
Okay, I'm just thinking it's expensive.
I'm not slaughtering animals to feed my
animals.

No, but there's dehydrated.
That's not going to happen.

Lara Logan (52:32):
The dehydrated somebody.
An amazing person actually, very nice man,
sent me a bunch of dehydrated dog food.
I didn't really know what it was.
I opened a bag and the smell hit me and I
was like what is this?
And it was chicken feet.
I was like oh, I was like no no, I don't

(52:56):
want to put my hand in this bag and give my
dogs a bunch of chicken feet.
And then there were chicken heads and there
was some, you know.
I mean they loved it.
There were duck body parts and things, so
the dogs loved it.
It was a hit, but it went very quickly when
you have 10 dogs.

Yes.

Lara Logan (53:15):
Yes, these things are expensive.

You know what you should probably get with
a local butcher.

Lara Logan (53:19):
Yeah.

And it doesn't have to be all the good cuts
of meat you can use, as long as it's not
vaccinated or treated with antibiotics.
You can use the stuff that organ meats you
can use yeah, you can.
You can feed them stuff that you wouldn't
eat.

Lara Logan (53:37):
It's okay.
Really yeah, yeah, but then I have to be
the one to do it.
Oh Right, I got to get out and pull out
what livers and yeah, gross.
I know I sound like a spoiled brat right
now and a big city girl and you know, and
I'm, I mean, I, I really it's not for
everyone.
No, I do know people who make their own dog

(53:59):
food, but first of all, I mean I'm not
still.
I don't, I'm not in one place long enough
to cook for my children.

Let let alone my 14 million animals.
My husband is retired so he can cook for
the dogs now.

Lara Logan (54:12):
Okay.
So if you can't cook for your dogs and you
don't have the one tiny little pooch that
you can, just you know you can get the
special stuff right, because all of that
special stuff comes in small packages.
Yes, yeah, I've been looking at it and I go
to track to supply and I get the biggest
thing of dog food that I can find, but what

(54:35):
do I do?

Well, you could consider something like can
I say a brand Sure, like Honest Kitchen?
I think they're reasonable, they're
reasonably priced.
You can get bigger bags and you can
probably talk to them about getting like a
how big is big?
To you Well I'm talking about the bag

(54:57):
that's big.

Lara Logan (54:58):
I've looked at Honest Kitchen.
Their biggest bag isn't more than about 12
pounds.
I'm talking 60, 70, 80 pounds.

Well, they have some of the clusters that I
think are 30.
Okay, I mean, they're dehydrated so you can
reconstitute them.
And I know you're probably looking at the
powder that has to be reconstituted.
So it's a box with powder and you add water
to it.
That's not happening.
No, I know.

Lara Logan (55:22):
That's not happening.

It's work so well, or Hmm?

Lara Logan (55:32):
Let's see, are there?
Are there any?
Uh, you know, besides honest kitchen, are
there any other good brands out there, dr
marty's?
Dr marty's yeah, okay marty, but all these
other ones with you know science diet and
all these things you want to avoid and I'm
not suicidal, just in case is it dangerous
for you to?

you know what I it's gonna?
It's almost 20 years ago, when I was
feuding with science diet and I was working
in the regular veterinary hospital, because
I was like this is you know how is this
good?
We should be feeding feeding real fresh
food.
You know, their argument is it's not tested,
salmonella, you don't know that it's

(56:11):
complete and balanced.
That's always the argument, right, this has
been tested and researched.
And blah, blah, blah.
And I remember the science diet rep saying
to me what do you know about food?
You're a veterinarian.

Lara Logan (56:24):
Yeah, what could you possibly know?
You're a doctor who treats animals for
cancer.

But he's right, because veterinarians don't
get nutrition training.
Our nutrition training comes from Science
Diet or Royal Canin.

Lara Logan (56:40):
You don't like them either.

I like them better than Science Diet.

Lara Logan (56:44):
Okay, what about all the other big brands?
I mean, there's a lot of promises these
days that this is non-GMO and this is you
know, I heard I think is it Catherine Heigl
has a brand out that I think.

What's it called?
There's so many.
A couple, a couple years ago there were
3,500 different dog food brands, 3,500
different dog foods.
Um, so you got to be you know, I don't know.
And then this, this, this website called
dog food advisor or something like that.

Lara Logan (57:23):
It's a dentist who's evaluating dog foods
wow, yeah, I know, because I'm like who is?

this is this some kind of an advisory board?

Lara Logan (57:30):
it's just a con and I heard that this is a,
you know, over 500 billion dollar industry.
Oh yeah, it's huge.
That's how much money they're making out of
pet food.
It's huge, it's before you even get to.

So I think katherine open farm I heard is
pretty good, so maybe you can get some kind
of a deal with them.
Advertise for them and then maybe they'll
give you a break.

Lara Logan (57:54):
Well more.
I'm just trying to think for people
generally, if you're worried about, because
today what I'm hearing from farmers and
from ranchers and pet owners and
veterinarians is that there's a rise in
cancer in pets Is that right.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Lara Logan (58:13):
And that's in part linked to the vaccines.

I'm sure it's all the inflammation in the
body and a lot of it comes from the food.
So when you see three-year-old dogs with
cancer, I'm seeing young dogs with cancer.
Some of them have been on low quality dog
food.
Of course they're vaccinated, so what?

Lara Logan (58:36):
how can you tell which is which?

it's overwhelming inflammation in the body.
I see that causes these issues so it starts
with these, and then it doesn't always have
to be cancer.
But you see all these young dogs with these,
you know, and, and then it doesn't always
have to be cancer, but you see all these
young dogs with these chronic skin issues,
chronic chronic ears, skin, and what do we
do?
We put you on apoquel, which I don't know
if I can say that here, but apoquel,

(59:00):
everybody's heard of it, it's the miracle
pill for allergies.
And I to say, can I get sued?

Lara Logan (59:10):
I don't know.
I mean, I guess I'm not in a position to
say you can't, I don't know.

But here's my lived experience.

Lara Logan (59:17):
You're right.

My lived experience is all these dogs that
have been on Apoquel for years daily end up
with.
Their immune system is severely compromised.
And they get cancer.

Lara Logan (59:38):
So how bad overall do you think things are.

When you look at the pet industry between
all these issues, well, it's kind of like
the human thing.
It's like we don't fix anything.
It's a circle.
It's a vicious circle of we make you sick,
we keep you sick, and here's the drugs to
put a Band-Aid on it.
Here's a special diet for whatever your
chronic kidney problems.

(01:00:03):
Your skin Skin is a huge one.
That's why they came up with these drugs
that are a Band-Aid.
Nothing ever gets fixed.
So my goal is to fix the immune system,
because the immune system is everything,
right?
So there's so many things you can do to fix
the immune system.
I mean it's like peeling back layers of an
onion.
You have to get to the core of what's

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causing all this the chronic autoimmune
stuff, the skin issues, the cancer.
Cancer, in effect, is just the most severe
form of inflammation, right?
So you're constantly making cancer cells
and if you have a good, strong immune
system, you're killing those cancer cells.
When your immune system's in the dumpster,
then cancer starts taking over and the

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animals are the same, absolutely,
absolutely.
So food, vaccines, drugs, antibiotics,
steroids all of it.

Lara Logan (01:00:57):
So what do you see happening with holistic
medicine then?
How is it?

Eva DeCozio (01:01:06):
effective.
So there's no quick fixes with holistic
right.
It's a multi-pronged approach with multiple
modalities.
So let's take, for example, cancer.
So I've been using ivermectin and
fembendazole for my cancer patients Not

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everybody responds the way I want them to.
Some of them respond incredibly well.
And it's gone.
Cancer is gone.
But I also use Chinese herbs.
You can use ozone.
Ozone is amazing.
Ozone disappeared in the 1930s.

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What is it?
Ozone is like a super oxygen.
Ozone is a biologic.
It has three oxygen atoms.
So it's not stable.
But if it's utilized the proper way, so
these three oxygen atoms, so the third atom
is not really a free radical like it's

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called, it's more of an ion.
So it acts as like super oxygen.
It can scavenge free radicals.
Ozone was around until 1930 in all the
hospitals and then Rockefeller showed up.
Right was around until 1930 in all the
hospitals and then rockefeller showed up
right.
Homeopathy was around until the 1930s.
Even in american hospitals they were using
homeopathy and ozone and herbal therapies.
And then rockefeller school of medicine
appeared and it all went away.

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I mean he wanted to get rid of everything.
So, um, ozone can be used for cancer.
It's antimicrobial, it doesn't cause any
kind of resistances, so you can use ozone.
It's a gas.
So when you use the gas you're not supposed
to inhale it because it's an irritant, but
you can use the gas and insufflate it

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rectally.
It's absorbed, goes straight to the portal
vein, cleanses the liver, gets rid of the
biofilm.
It's like getting a super oxygen treatment.
You can put ozone and saline and inject it.
Have you heard of UVBI treatments?
Remember Magic Johnson had HIV and he got
rid of it.

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Well, he used UVBI, which is taking your
blood, treating it with ozone and with UV
light and injecting it back in and
basically you can get rid of viruses,
bacteria, cancer.

I mean yeah, wow, yes, there's so much that
people don't know.

Is it super expensive?
No, really, no, no.
It's so much that people don't know Is it
super expensive?
No, really, no, no.
It's not, compared to chemo and all the you
know.

Well, who can afford to put their dog on
chemo?

Some people do.

Wow, Some people do yeah, and when you say
patients, what are we talking about?
Dogs, cats, mm-hmm.
Any other animals?

I see chickens, goats, horses, yeah, yeah,
I have a really great regenerative um
farmer that's close by and I see everything.
I mean they're chickens, ducks, everything
so all these things that you're saying
apply to all of those animals yeah, I do
ozone treatments on them and I encourage
them to get an ozone generator so that they
can do.
They don't always have to come to me yeah

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um, you need to know how to use this ozone
right.
So it's, and people have ozone generators
in their homes so that they can do their
own treatments.
How you can nebulize ozone through olive
oil and it gets rid of upper respiratory
infections.
You can steam it know ozonated glycerin, so
ozone itself is very unstable.

(01:04:56):
So if it's in water or if it's in saline,
after an hour it loses its efficacy.
And in air, of course you know gone, gone.
But if you can treat glycerin, you can
ozonate the glycerin and it stays in the
glycerin for two years, wow, yeah, and then

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you can use that.
and you can use it topically, you can
inject it.
You can use it for arthritis, yeah, inject
it into cancers, into tumors.

And you've seen that work, mm-hmm.
Yes, often, or just occasionally Often, and
are those only on early cancers, no
Advanced and you can use it for palliative
care for advanced cancers too.

Mm-hmm, you can use other stuff like
mistletoe.
Mistletoe, that's been around since 1920.
It's another cancer treatment and you use
it as an adjunct.
Microbiome replacement therapy, fecal
transplants- yes, I've heard of those.

Sounds pretty disgusting.
Well yeah, I mean-, but I guess if it's
going to save your life, you don't care it.

It helps people with alzheimer's.

There's a gut brain treatment.

Yes, well, you can take it.
So humans can either get it as an enema or
you can take it in capsule form, and it's
in this thick gel cap that doesn't dissolve
until it reaches your intestines.
I know I tried to convince my mom to do it
and she wouldn't.

She wouldn't take a cap.
No, she had Alzheimer's, is it?

a cap of poop.
It's a capsule full of poop.
Yeah, yeah, no.

I don't want to take it, but I had cancer
at 41, and I guess if you'd offered me a
pill full of poop at the time, I would have
taken anything.

Or you could do it rectally, you know,
through an enema that sounds so much better
have a drink and then have your enema.
Why didn't I think of that?

Well, how many holistic vets are there
around?
I mean, how difficult is it for people to
find one?

So you can go to the website it's ahvmaorg
and search for somebody near you.
I think there's one in Austin, around here
In Nashville.
There's like two, maybe or three that are
registered.
So holistic isn't just I mean doing all the

(01:07:35):
things I do you can be just you know,
acupuncture and Chinese herbs is great.
They are also probably listed.
So there's more of them, but there's not
enough of us.
Wow, there's not enough of us.

Wow, there's not enough, and do you have a
website or anything like that where people
can learn about these?

things.
Yeah, mm-hmm, what is it?
It's just my name, drdicoziocom
drdicoziocom.

What do we do about this?
What do you think is the most urgent aspect
of what you're looking at?

I mean all of it really, the food and the
drugs, but it's just like with humans,
right, the pharmaceutical industry, it's,
it just makes so much money.
Academia how do you overhaul academia?

Because a lot of this is coming out of
academia, of course, because who's
financing colleges and who's funding these
studies?

And then you get grants and you get
scholarships or stipends.

So you get rewarded if you go along with
the system.
Yeah, yes, that sounds familiar.
Yes, same in journalism.
Same in medicine for doctors today, right,
same for people in law firms.
Don't prosecute the cases that challenge
the narrative.
Let those people suffer.

Yeah, and again, COVID was a really big
eye-opener for me because I was questioning,
I was working for a corporation and I sent
them pictures of the box that said this
does not the masks, this does not prevent
transmission.
And I'm like, hey, you're making us wear

(01:09:28):
these.
it doesn't work, shut up yeah don't ask, or
you know, like remember when trump said
hydroxychloroquine and coronavirus?
So I thought, well, fip and cats right,
that's a curl, it's just like COVID.
It forms antibody complexes antibody or

(01:09:56):
antigen antibody complexes and causes the
clots and it can cause effusions.
So FIP in cats, coronavirus, just like
COVID To me.
I was like making that connection, like
wait, if hydroxychloroquine works for
people, why wouldn't it work for cats with
FIP, which is fatal?
And so I emailed them, the medical director
and I'm like, hey, what?

(01:10:20):
Oh my God, don't even.
Why would you?
This is stupid and quackery, don't even.
Yes, I, yes.
I mean, aren't you curious?
Don't you want to know who cares?
Who said it?
I mean, aren't you right, aren't you
curious?

to to know.
By the way, every, everyone related to the
veterinary community knew that ivermectin
was safe and effective.
Yes, and in humans too.
Because, yes, because my father-in-law's a
vet, right, yeah, and my husband and his
siblings were raised on ivermectin.
You know?
Yeah, I know it's been around for so many
years.
They knew a long time ago that it was safe.

Yes, and we've been giving it to animals.
Before we had all this fancy stuff the flea
and tick, oral stuff for mites, et cetera
we were using ivermectin orally in low
doses for 45 days straight.
Yeah, because we didn't have the other
stuff, so we were using ivermectin to treat

(01:11:16):
demodex.
What's that?

It's a mite, it's a skin mite.

Have you seen these Mange?

Not scabies.
You can treat scabies too, but mange, wow,
yeah, okay, well, with all my animals.
I have a million questions for you.
I could keep you here forever, but we'll go
and have a glass of wine and talk about it.
I'll take you on an animal tour.

Okay, I love that.

Yeah, we're going on an animal tour.
I'm sorry to say, but you will not be
joining us.
This is a animal tour.
I'm sorry to say, but you will not be
joining us.
This is a private tour.
Thank you so much for watching Going Rogue
with Laura Logan.
You can go to Dr Decozia, right?
That's D-A-K-O-Z-I-O.
No, it's.

D-R-D-E-C-O-Z-I-O Decozio.

I did that so well.
It's all good D-E-C-O-Z-I-O, z-i-o.
Oh, I only had one letter, well, d-e-c, not
D-A-K.

Yeah, it's okay.

Okay, besides that, I was right on there.
Okay, drdicosiocom, and you can look this
up I would just say it's been eye-opening
for me.
You know, most of us were hurtling around
trying to survive and raise our kids and
then deal with everything that's going on

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in the country, and you know we don't
really it's hard to stop and think about
what are the implications for all those
among us who have no voice, and think about
what are the implications for all those
among us who have no voice.
Well, our pets, our animals have no voice,
and so we have to be their voice and I
thank you for being their voice.

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Thank you for having me, thank you so much
for coming all the way out here to fly over
country.
It was great, it's not so bad right?
No, it's really nice.
Look, everybody should try it.
I recommend it.
Fredericksburg, Texas.
Come and visit.
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