The Dark Networks Preying on Children - Exposed: One On One with Becca Spinks Pt 2 | Episode 18 - Going Rogue with Lara Logan

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LARA (00:00):
You know, you say it's an extortion network,
and that's true, it's very obvious.
But it's not even about money.

Becca (00:06):
They're basically striving for societal
collapse.
They want everything that's good about our
society to collapse and cease to exist.
They want chaos and evil to reign over our
society, and one of the ways they're doing
that is by corrupting and harming and
traumatizing our children.

LARA (00:33):
These are the most twisted people.
It's like evil isn't even enough.
No, it's not enough to describe it, it is
demonic.

Becca (00:42):
When I stumbled upon this for the first
time back in January of last year, I was
like I can't believe what I'm seeing.
Whenever I first heard about 764, it was
because the FBI had already put out a PSA
about it back in 2023.
But nobody really noticed because they
didn't make a huge deal about it.

(01:06):
But I had already been kind of monitoring
it because of the connections to O9A,
because that was where my research was, and
so I already knew about 764.
And so then there was a situation with Kyle
Spitz which got me involved personally
because I was the only person reporting on
the group for a very long time and it was
very scary and I was the victim of this
group myself.

(01:26):
I was the victim of threats, harassment,
swatting, just constantly.
Even to this day, I probably have 10 DMs
from these people sending me this horrific
material, videos of kids hurting themselves
and threatening to kill and murder and rape
me, and I mean, and these are people who

(01:47):
would actually do it.
There's been isolated cases of them
following through with the swatting, sure,
but there's been isolated cases of them
following through with firebombing people's
houses, shooting at people's houses for not
complying.
So when these kids, when these girls say I
don't want to do that, I don't want to kill
my pet, they'll say well, if you don't do
that, I'm going to get somebody outside

(02:08):
your house to shoot up your house.
And they threatened the same to me when I
was reporting on their group If you don't
take all of your tweets down about this
group, we're going to shoot up your house
in 30 minutes.

LARA (02:16):
I did watch a video of them getting a girl
telling her to bite off the head of her
hamster, you know, and this guy says if you
don't, I'm going to F up your life.
And I mean it's just.
It makes you feel sick.

Becca (02:34):
It does.
And when I started to report on the group,
a lot of the victims started to come to me.
Victims as young as 10 years old have
messaged me on social media and said I'm
scared, I don't know what to do.
How do I get out of here?
And I have to tell them like well, you need
to, you need to talk to your parents, you
need to go to the police.
No, I can't, I'm too afraid I'll get in

(02:56):
trouble.
They told me I'll get in trouble and you
know they're convincing them that they're.
They're going to get in trouble if they
snitch on them, right?
Or they don't have that relationship with
their parents where they trust their
parents.
Hello, puppy, oh, they don't have a parent.
Stop to pet your dog for just a second,
okay, because it's.

LARA (03:11):
That's studio dog, honey, studio dog.

Becca (03:15):
But yeah, so you know, hearing these kids
describe what's happened to them and seeing
their trauma has been really, really
horrible.
I'll help them any way I can.
What?

LARA (03:27):
do you do in a situation like that, If they
don't want to go to their parents, or they
don't have parents, or a lot of kids live
with their grandparents, and then they
don't want to go to the police.
What are the options?

Becca (03:38):
Well, one thing I try to tell the kids is I
try to convince them to leave the space and
never look back.
Delete all of your accounts, do not have
any contact with them, because eventually
these guys will forget about them and move
on to the next one, right, I see?
So definitely.
If I can't convince them to go to the
police or whatever, then I'll try to get
them to take personal safety measures.

(04:00):
You know, or sometimes I've even gone to
try to find the kid myself, because you're
at 10 years old, you're too young to be
making that decision.
And if I can find out, find you right,
because these guys are doxing them, they're
putting their personal information out to
the other members to threaten them Then
I'll try to contact local authorities on
their behalf.

LARA (04:19):
One kid can also be threatened by members
all over the world.
Right, true, yep.
So there's not just one abuser, you've got
multiple abusers at the same time.

Becca (04:27):
Right, and you know I remember one case
which is really painful for me, but you
know the young victim of Kyle Spitz who I
had convinced to go to law enforcement and
after she did, you know they took her phone
and they made an arrest the next day, like
a couple days later, they took her phone
and they made an arrest the next day, or
like a couple days later, they arrested
Kyle Spitz.

LARA (04:46):
So you need to explain.
Kyle Spitz is the guy who got himself
famous in a viral video Well, a video that
went viral, where he's lying on his bed,
he's on his computer and his crazy
stepfather comes in with a gun threatening
him.
You know through stuff, of course, the
famous part where his mom is yelling as
well and she's got her pants around her

(05:07):
ankles Bizarre.
It's totally bizarre.
And later you know it was said that she was
actually going to the bathroom and so she's
trying to stop and they're having a fight
and you feel bad for him because eventually
he gets shocked.

Becca (05:21):
Yeah In the ear.
Barely.
You have that one, keith.
Eventually he gets shocked.

Video (05:23):
Yeah In the ear, barely.
You have that one, keith.
Get ready, boys, doc and Bren Jack.
Stop it.

LARA (05:30):
Stop it, blow my brains out.

Becca (05:38):
No, Stop it.
Bird has the music in it because it's in
mine.
But if you want I can send you the music
free file.

LARA (05:46):
Well, it's from your.
It's the way you cut it into the video,
right, it's okay.
You know the crazy part here is the first
time I watched this I was like you can
literally see the bullet exiting the barrel
if you pause it.
Just right, I know, and the worst part is
his mom's trying to stop the guy.

Video (06:05):
You just fucking hit me.
Did he hit you?
Oh my God.

Becca (06:13):
You're going to die.
It was a simple 54-second video offered by
many large accounts on Twitter with no
context.
Salty Cracker, a large YouTube channel,
featured a breakdown of the video, which
was aptly titled.
Family that Looks Like A Bunch Of Meth
Addicts Shoot Each Other the sudden
virality of this short, out of context

(06:36):
video made sense.
It was the perfect length.
There was a lot going on Kyle's provocation
of a deranged gunman leading him to get
grazed in the ear by a bullet, the mother
with her pants down at her ankles, the all
too perfect freeze frame of the bullet
leaving the barrel and the blood drops on
the floor.
But, most importantly, the group of
influencers who shared it on Twitter and
their followers had no shortage of funny

(06:58):
comments and memes to make about the
situation.
Law and Crime sidebar host Jesse Weber was
quick to secure an interview with Kyle
Spitz, where he revealed that the shooter
was his stepdad, 68-year-old Jeffrey Scott
West.
After the video ended, the Blount County
SWAT team was deployed and a standoff
ensued, ultimately ending when West
committed suicide inside the house.

Video (07:16):
We are joined right now by Kyle Spitz
himself.
Kyle, thank you so much for coming on here.

LARA (07:22):
And it just gets crazy from there.

Video (07:24):
I know this isn't an easy thing to talk
about, so I appreciate you being generous
with your time, generous with talking about
what happened.
I actually just want to ask how are you
doing as of right now, today?
How are you doing?
I'm thriving actually.
Right now.
Life is doing me great.

(07:46):
I haven't had anything serious come from it.
Yes, now I mean honestly, do you have a gun
in the background?
And I moved on.
After two weeks they took him out and then
it was just back to life.

Becca (08:05):
Kyle Spitz and his mother, melanie, escaped
the situation relatively unscathed.
When I first saw the video, I went to the
comments section, saw that the videographer
hadn't been killed and chuckled to myself
about the absurdity of the scene.
Then I scrolled on to the next post in my
feed and mostly forgot about it, but a
little later I saw the same post shared
again and I went back to the comments.
This.
But a little later I saw the same post
shared again and I went back to the

(08:25):
comments.
This time I saw one that made me do a
double take.
Kyle isn't a victim, he's a satanic child
groomer who gets little girls to cut
themselves on camera.
Well, a link to a satanic pedophile cult
was certainly not the outcome I was
expecting here, but it just so happens that
for several months prior, my small

(08:47):
independent research team and I had been
closely following news of a fringe online
community known as 764.
This group, which could accurately be
characterized as a cult, consisted of
pseudo satanic predators who groomed kids
they found online into committing sadistic
acts of self-harm, animal abuse and even
suicide on camera.
The videos were used to extort their young
victims into producing increasingly more
extreme content.
It may start with a nude photo or a sexual
act that the underage victim sends to the
abuser.

(09:08):
The abusers then extort the victim into
committing increasingly evil acts.
They'd order them to cut their abusers name
into their bodies a sign of ownership known
as a cut sign.
They would order them to slaughter their
house pets under the threat of murdering
their entire families if they refuse to
comply.
They would get the young victims on live
Discord calls and give them instructions on
how to find the most lethal combination of

(09:29):
pills from their parents' medicine cabinets.
These predators find their child victims in
places most parents believe are safe online
spaces for kids.
They lure them from gaming platforms like
Minecraft and Roblox and messaging
platforms like Discord.
They even utilize social media platforms
like Twitter and Instagram, utilizing
hashtags adopted by niche communities
dedicated to self-harm and eating disorders.

(09:50):
These communities serve as rich victim
pools where predators hunt for kids that
are already vulnerable in order to further
exploit them.
764 is only one such group in a sprawling
network of interrelated communities known
as COM.
When placed on a mind map, com looks more
like an octopus than an organized network
of splinter cells with tentacles that
encompass a wide range of cybercriminal
activity.

(10:10):
There's hacking COM, full of script kiddies
willing to dock, swat and commit other
cybercrimes for money.
They may, for example, call in a bomb
threat to a school for a disgruntled
student who was able to pay them.
There's also an animal abuse side of Calm.
And then there's Extortion Calm, which
relies on the hackers and overlaps with 764,
whose members hack and extort their victims
in order to fulfill their motives.

(10:31):
Calm also has significant overlap with
domestic terror cells.
These individuals congregate on Terrorgram,
the network of telegram channels comprised
of violent extremists that range from white
nationalists to satanic neo-Nazis.
A recent Wired article analyzed more than 3
million messages from 50 chat groups in the
comm network, revealing thousands of users
in nearly a dozen countries involved in

(10:52):
various comm subgroups.
They note that such groups have been
growing rapidly since their widespread
emergence in 2022, when only a handful of
cases had been analyzed by the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
We were all too aware of this group.
Even before the FBI released their
September 2023 bulletin warning parents
about the network known as 764, we had

(11:13):
stumbled across some of these communities.
A Discord server full of gaping wounds,
disemboweled animals and satanic sigils
crudely drawn in blood were all telltale
signs of 764 influence, and even before the
FBI acknowledged the group, there had been
arrests, the most public being that of
Angel Almeida of New York.
Almeida, who went by the nickname Duck, was
arrested in connection with a gun crime

(11:35):
which led investigators to unearth a hoard
of child pornography and terrorist
literature which connected him to the
satanic, neo-nazi extremist group called
the Order of Nine Angles.
Because of my ongoing research into
accelerationism, I already had Order of
Nine Angles on my radar at this time and
had begun tracking mentions of 764 on
social media after the FBI press release in
2023.

(11:55):
For this reason, I became aware of a number
of alleged victims of Kyle Spitz who were
attempting to get attention in the wake of
the video.
The victims alleged that Kyle Spitz was a
member of 764 and that he had groomed and
extorted numerous individuals, including
minors, into self-harm and sexual
exploitation.
The victims stated they were already in
contact with police and that an
investigation was underway.

(12:16):
Approximately two weeks later, on January
31, 2024, I was contacted by an anonymous
source who stated that Kyle Spitz's mom,
melanie Spitz, had died and that Kyle had
posted disturbing videos in his Telegram
group of the incident.
In the source's opinion, the Telegram post
indicated that Kyle Spitz had murdered his
mother.
The source additionally claimed to have
evidence that Spitz had been extorting

(12:37):
women to cut themselves since 2016 and that
he was in possession of a large quantity of
child pornography.
The video Spitz had posted to his Telegram
channel was disturbing to say the least.
In it, he stands over his dead mother's
body while she lies on her back.
Her hair seems to have been deliberately
swept over her face.
There appears to be blood on the face
underneath her hair.
The body appears to have been moved from

(12:58):
the bed to the ground, and the bed has a
large human-shaped stain of what appears to
be fresh blood.
The bedsheets are crumpled up and soaked in
blood.
On the floor, next to Melanie Spitz's body,
is a Narcan inhaler which contains the
medication used to treat opioid overdoses.
At times, in between sobs, it sounds as if
Kyle's stifling maniacal laughter and at
one point he appears to grope his dead

(13:20):
mother's breasts.
Kyle holds up his blood-soaked hand,
revealing a bracelet which matches the one
in a recent Instagram post on an account
known to belong to him, which helped
confirm his identity.
What I saw appeared to be the aftermath of
a murder.
So, after I confirmed the evidence to be
credible, I contacted the authorities in
order to share the evidence with law
enforcement.

(13:40):
At that time the agent told me that he had
spoken with the Friendsville Tennessee
police and confirmed Melanie Spitz was
deceased.
He also elaborated that the cause of death
was suicide.
I found it unusual that police would convey
this information prior to completing the
investigation into that they also said that
they were aware of Kyle's online activities
that he had posted a picture of.
Melanie.
Spitz's dead body on.

(14:01):
Instagram and they acknowledged that it was
a strange thing to do.
That's the last I would hear from
authorities on the matter.
Melanie's cause of death was eventually
revealed to be a lethal dose of fentanyl.
The massive, unsurvivable quantity of blood
they told us came from a ruptured esophagus
the consequence of years of alcoholism.
With the police informed and Melanie
Spitz's death confirmed, I made a post on

(14:21):
exit, the request of the victims who were
desperate to get eyes on the situation.
The next day, as the tweet continued to
garner attention, I began to receive
threats from accounts associated with 764.
An individual with the moniker Acid sent
threats to me on Twitter in an attempt to
prevent me from talking about Kyle and his
mother publicly.
Acid's bio read 764 DM me to join Hellroom.

(14:42):
Hellroom, as I would soon learn, was the
name of a common 764 Telegram channel used
to post the sickening content created by
the group, as it also warned me that I was
in the process of being EDR'd.
Edr stands for Emergency Data Request, a
procedure used by US law enforcement
agencies for obtaining information from
service providers in emergency situations
where there isn't time to get a subpoena.

(15:02):
In 2022, brian Krebs reported that
emergency data requests were being spoofed
by hackers to obtain confidential
information.
I would later receive confirmation from the
police that this is a very real swatting
tactic being employed by a network of
cybercriminals associated with Calm to dock,
swat and otherwise harass victims, as well
as journalists and others working to expose
the group.

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I mean there's a lot there, but this whole

(16:48):
thing with Kyle Spitz it's like watching a
bad movie.

Becca (16:51):
Yeah, it was like living a bad movie.
I couldn't.
It was very surreal.
When I started to really report on it, I
realized that no one was coming to help me,
like no large platforms were boosting it.
Even the platforms that had shared the
viral Kyle one was coming to help me.
Like no large platforms were boosting it.
Even even the platforms that had shared the
viral Kyle Spitz story to begin with and I
had sent them this follow-up information

(17:12):
like hey, wouldn't you like to know that
this guy is like a crazy pedophile part of
the satanic pedophile gang Nobody was
really interested in the story and so I
just ran with it and I said, well, I think
God has just put me here on this path.
So here I go.
I just ran with it and I said, well, I
think God has just put me here on this path,
so here I go.
Who'd you send it to?
Well, I don't want to name the accounts,

(17:33):
but most of the ones who were responsible
for originally boosting the story to go
viral.

LARA (17:35):
So I'll name them and those would be the
YouTubes and Instagrams.
And yeah, it's amazing, these people,
because this is not the doc web.
None of this stuff that is in your series,
none of the stuff we're talking about, is
on the dark web.
I'm sure there's other stuff, but this is
all freely available.

Becca (17:52):
Right.
When I said the people wouldn't boost it, I
meant, like the people who had originally
shared the video of Kyle, like his accounts,
right More than the companies who were
sending it to the people.
I was like, hey, here's more information.
They're like, okay, I already had my viral
tweet or whatever.
A couple of them did eventually comment on
it, but what ended up being funny is that I
eventually pushed it viral myself and a

(18:13):
couple of other accounts, like Boots said
well, like would you believe that there's
more to the story.
And that became the trope of like the
stepdad shouldn't have missed, and so
everybody started catching on.
It's like we thought this guy was the
victim and really we should have been
rooting for the stepdad and it became a
thing.
But I don't think people really understood
how horrible this network was and that.
You know, it took me a while to really

(18:33):
understand.
I mean, I remember the first time I went
into one of their telegram channels I was I
had to I turned my head away from the
screen.
I was shocked.
I had nightmares for days seeing some of
that stuff in there.
I don't understand it.
I mean Telegram knows it's there.

(18:54):
Yes, telegram does shut their channels down
pretty quickly, but Telegram is a lot
slower to shut down private group chats.
They're pretty good about public channels
shutting down, but if it's not a private
group chat that you have to join, then
they're not very good at it at all.
Right, because that becomes a whole.

LARA (19:12):
Part of what they offer is privacy.

Becca (19:14):
Right, right.
So at this point I had victims contacting
me.
I had the victim of Kyle Spitz contact me
and I was able to convince that girl.
She was 12 or 13 at the time, 12 or 13 at
the time to 12 or 13.
Yeah, so I had convinced her to finally to
go to the police and it resulted in Kyle
Spitz's arrest and he was.

(19:34):
He pled guilty and his sentencing is in
July.
I do plan to be there to look at him in the
face.
Where is it?
It's in Blount County, tennessee.
Wow, but he's, you know, he's looking at
life and all the victims, including the
victims who aren't even listed in the
criminal complaint, are set to give victim
statements.
Because what you don't understand is like I
think you mentioned this to me earlier but

(19:55):
like this guy had victims all around the
world.
The charges that are being brought against
him right now are specific to the like two
or three different US victims, but there's
even a victim in Australia who's going to
be testifying and a sentencing giving a
victim impact statement.
So the judge can see for themselves like
how bad this was and how far reaching and

(20:15):
devastating it was, so that that girl who'd
reached out to me about him before you know,
unfortunately for her, there were no
resources for her after the police took her
phone and she just continued to go back
into 764 and get abused by more people.
And so then I found myself trying to be

(20:36):
like a virtual mother to her, trying to
help her, trying to protect her, but
ultimately she did eventually end up
becoming an abuser herself, and I had to
witness that.
Yes, unfortunately, it's very sad, so it's
really sad what happens to these kids and
the fact that if they don't have a support

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system at home, the government's not going
to give them anything.
Right, they're on their own, and so the
goal is to traumatize and corrupt these
kids, to damage them beyond repair, to make
sure that they're never a functional member
of society.
And there's nothing in place for us that
can go to these victims and help them get
back on track.

(21:16):
I know that there's there's nonprofits that
work with victims, but this is a special
kind of abuse that deserves its own
specific kind of resources to rehabilitate
these kids.

LARA (21:27):
And that's a hard thing to rehabilitate
children who have been so severely
traumatized.
How did you, who sent you the video of that
girl that you tried to help abusing other
kids?

Becca (21:39):
It wasn't.
I don't want to talk too much about it, but
it wasn't a video.
I don't want to talk too much about it, but
it wasn't a video.
It was just a screenshot of a Discord
server.
You know egging other kids on saying cut
yourself, do it, do it on video, do it, or
else you're going to get swatted.

(21:59):
Why do they not want to be swatted?
I mean?
Well, so you know, they'll call the police
on your house and they'll call in a fake
bomb threat, or they'll pretend that like
someone's at the house about to start
shooting, or whatever, and the goal is that
the police come to your house with guns
drawn and drag your whole family out.

LARA (22:14):
Yes, and it's a fear thing, right?
Mm-hmm, yeah, it is.
I look at that face.
What happened?
What happened to that person?

Becca (22:27):
Well, I mean, I've looked into Kyle Spitz's
background.
I can't even look at him Like I—but you
know I don't think anything excuses the
things that he's done.
And in that video of his home I mean— His
parents are drug addicts.
Is he in a?
Normal home.
Well, no, his parents were drug addicts.

LARA (22:46):
When I say normal, I mean he's not living
in poverty.

Becca (22:49):
Right.
Well, he has said in the past and I've had
some people who knew him come to me and say,
well, yeah, he tells us that like he was
injecting his mom with heroin when he was
like seven or eight years old.
So this is a—and there.
And there's also a female groomer behind
this too.
There's a.
He ran off with an adult when he was only
like 16 or 17, a woman who, like, got him.
You know he ran away and lived with another

(23:12):
woman who allegedly got him involved in all
of this stuff to begin with.
So you know he's definitely the victim of
childhood trauma and abuse as well, because
in the majority of cases that we see, these
people are not just the ones who become
this sadistic and sick, usually have some
kind of trauma of their own right.
Do you think he murdered his mother?

(23:34):
I don't know.
I was very convinced of it at the time.
I mean, there's a lot of blood there.
He's videoing it.
If you read the police report that we
FOIAed we got a FOIA on the police report
and read it and it actually says that he
contacted by phone several friends of his
mom via FaceTime before he called 911 and
showed them her dead body, and it was one

(23:54):
of his mom's friends who ended up calling
911.
And you see the videos of him shoving Xanax
in his mouth and I mean, this guy is just
completely zonked out and during the video
I don't think I'd ever seen anything that
horrifying in the aftermath of a death
because of the blood.
But it was his reaction that really was so

(24:17):
chilling, because he was almost pretending
to laugh and pretending to cry, but it
almost sounded like a laugh.
So he was groping his mom's body.
He was, and you just didn't show that part
of the video.
It's too disturbing.
I, you know it's on it's online, but um it,

(24:38):
there was something about his demeanor.
Right, it wasn't about the body, it wasn't
about the blood, it was about how he was
acting in the room with his mom's body and,
yeah, I definitely thought she was murdered
because there was so much blood.
But the autopsy shows that she had an
esophagus rupture during the overdose which
contributed to her death.
Very strange, it's really bizarre.

LARA (25:00):
It's bizarre right, it's very bizarre, yes,
you know.
What is also bizarre is you wrote a really
interesting piece on Substack.
Actually, which people can go to your
Substack BX right and subscribe to that.
But in it you described I think was it the
first shooting that you really looked at

(25:20):
the mass shooting at the Walmart in El Paso.
Is this Crucis?
Is the kid?
Yeah, patrick Crucis?
Yes, yes, and so you know, I mean, like
many people, you see that oh, there's
another school shooting or oh, there's
another mass shooting, and you never really

(25:41):
hear too much about it.
You know, you never, really.
Usually, often the kid kills themselves or
they get killed, and you know, and if it's,
if there's no white supremacist narrative,
the media just dies Right, right.
So I was fascinated to see what you learned
there.
Can you tell us about that?

Becca (25:58):
Yeah, that was actually a, really that was.
I think that was the first one I ever
looked into and I remember just being blown
away at this like rabbit hole that had
never been reported on and that's still a
really crazy rabbit hole and I'm trying to
remember, which amazes me that it wasn't
reported on.

LARA (26:14):
So, as I understand it, his parents were
divorced and his dad, remember, had been
arrested two years before.

Becca (26:22):
For wandering around a Walmart in a fugue
state.
And what is fugue Like?

LARA (26:27):
just kind of shell shocked.

Becca (26:28):
Yeah, shell shocked, like you're out of out
of body experience, kind of not aware of
anything happening.
And so I was so interested in this that I
actually bought his dad's book.
He has a self-published book on Amazon.
I don't recommend reading it.
It's brutal, but it's.
It's basically his, his, uh, he.
He joined a new age cult.
Um, so he joined a cult where basically it

(26:49):
was like um, you know meditation, to where
you hallucinate and meet Jesus and you
become like an ascended, like you know
whatever Jesus figure, and you meet Jesus
and but, like he, it's like totally a
sidebar.
But he had this whole part about like how
he would go get these Korean foot massages
and go to this Korean massage parlor and
that's how he was transcending to meet
Jesus.

(27:09):
And it was really weird.
You're like this guy's dad is out there.
Very, very weird book.
Don't really recommend it, but I was like,
wow.
So like this kid's dad was like now, to be
fair, patrick Crucius the shooter lived
with his mom and his dad had wandered off
onto his spiritual journey and was pretty
much absent, but his dad worked for a

(27:33):
doctor.

LARA (27:34):
Yes, is it Dr Roy?

Becca (27:36):
Carlson no, this was very strange, but his
dad did work as an intake nurse.
I think it was an intake nurse at a
psychiatric facility known as Timberlawn In
Dallas In Dallas, and the person who was
his direct boss was a man named Dr Colin
Ross.
Dr Colin Ross- yeah, that's right.

LARA (27:56):
Who works?

Becca (27:59):
He's a multiple personality disorder
specialist who basically uses multiple.
What's the word he uses?
Mpd.
He creates multiple personalities.

LARA (28:14):
He creates it in people.

Becca (28:15):
As a part of therapy.
It's a very strange and controversial
behavioral therapy.

LARA (28:22):
Which Patrick Cruz's dad said was MKUltra.
He said that Dr Ross was MKUltra.

Becca (28:28):
Oh, I think I said that.
Well, Dr Ross has actually written a ton of
books.
He's written one called the CIA Doctors,
which was actually a really great book
about CIA's history with mind control.

LARA (28:41):
And was he one of those?

Becca (28:42):
No, he's actually a whistle.
He calls himself a whistleblower but then
he's using the same weird tactics on his
own patients, so that that's a whole nother
rabbit hole.
But it was very strange that his dad worked
at that hospital and in that that hospital
Timberlawn was also shut down by the state
because of abuse claims it had been kids

(29:03):
had been being abused and dying there for
decades.
It was one of the earliest private mental
facilities in the state.

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What are the patterns that you see when you
look at these mass shootings?

Becca (30:48):
Unsupervised access to the internet.
Number one these kids are online in chat
rooms.
They're isolating from their family and
friends.
They're talking to people online who are
kind of indoctrinating them, brainwashing
them and kind of, you know, grooming them
into a cult.
And yeah, that's it.
That's the one that ties all of these

(31:10):
aesthetic shooters together.
Remember, we talked about how, like,
obviously there's going to be some mass
shootings here and there that are not
connected, but the ones that make the news,
the big ones, the ones where they have body
armor and GoPros and AR-15s with writing
all over it and all of those things Almost
all of those people share that they have

(31:31):
been groomed and indoctrinated on the
Internet.
Tell us about Samantha, samantha Rupnow,
mm-hmm.
So back in December, this was a very
fascinating one for me because back in
December, we heard about this mass shooting
and I have a rule 48 hours right, not going
to tweet about it.
I'm going to let the breaking news accounts,
like you know, share their disinformation

(31:53):
and then I'm going to sort through the fact
and the fiction and find it for myself.
But, as you know, I'm going about my day.
People are keep messaging me about this one.
No, hey, you need to check this out right
now before it gets scrubbed, and I'm
looking at it.
I'm looking at her Twitter account and I'm
realizing that she's following an account
that also follows me that was connected to

(32:13):
Order of Nine Angles, and so then I go okay,
well, yeah, I need to get on this right.
And as I would come to find out that she
was involved in a splinter community of 764.
It's another comm community, like I'm not
going to even name them because I like to
annoy them by calling them 764 Network,
they can just deal with it and they hate
that.

(32:33):
They hate it, but because they're like,
we're not 764.
We're XYZ and I'm just not, I'm not
interested, okay, but this group in
particular has ties to the so-called school
shooter, the TCC community.
It stands for true crime community, but the
TCC kids they have, like this obsession,

(32:54):
almost a sexual obsession, with mass
killers, mass shooters, and so we know that
this is a really hot spot for shooters.
This is a bad place for kids to be.
I mean, they're making, like Snapchat, cap
cut edits of, like you know, mass shootings
and school shootings, like glorifying the
shooters.

LARA (33:12):
They especially love the Columbine.
Yeah, they love the Columbine.

Becca (33:16):
They love all of them, but Columbine is
definitely the glue that definitely ties
them together.

LARA (33:20):
And Samantha actually was wearing a t-shirt.
Yeah, do you remember what it said on it?

Becca (33:25):
Yeah it was a band that was referenced at
the Columbine Shooter, one of his favorite
bands.

LARA (33:30):
Yes, and he was wearing that t-shirt.
They love the Columbine aesthetic, yeah,
and so that's sort of you know that's part
of when you listen to that band.
That's part of like the school shooters
sort of anthem.

Becca (33:42):
Well, now that band has come out many times
and said, no, we've got nothing to do with
it.
Yeah, but, um, but what was really crazy
about Samantha Rupp now is that, um, her
manifesto came out online and as soon as I
looked at the manifesto, I knew she was
connected to the MKU, the Maniac Murder
Cult and the O9A.
Um, I had to what told you?

(34:03):
that.
Uh Well, so she had.
I'm trying to remember the specifics, but
she used a lot of specific terms.
She used like mirrored phrases from the
terrorism handbook that MKU released,
calling everybody scum.
She was praising certain other mass
shooters who were connected to the group.

(34:24):
There was also a terrorgram link.
So she was in one of these communities
where they're basically just overloading
her with propaganda from all different
groups.

LARA (34:33):
Yeah, she was the one that I hate everybody.
She was living with her dad.

Becca (34:37):
Right.

LARA (34:37):
But she said her dad didn't love her, she
hated her dad.
Of course, her dad was posting pictures of
her for many years and he had an issue with
alcohol.
Well, her dad was posting pictures of her,
you know, for many years and he had an
issue with alcohol.

Becca (34:46):
Well, her dad was arrested and charged just
last week For what?
Giving her access to the firearm?

LARA (34:53):
Oh yeah, I think that— Well, they would go
to shooting ranges together.
Yeah, they were learning how to shoot, to
shooting schools and stuff, which is kind
of a—.

Becca (35:02):
That's not bad.
Yeah, I did that with my dad, right?
But I guess what happened is that you know
she was also in counseling and she was in
intensive therapy for her own problems.

LARA (35:14):
So the idea is that she was not in the
frame of mind where you give her that kind
of access.

Becca (35:20):
Yeah, when you read the article about it, I
can send it later.
But they also interviewed the mom and it
says in the police report that she kept
saying I'm going to kill him.
I'm going to kill him when she found out
that he had let her access the gun because
she knew that her daughter had been having
these horrible issues with violent thoughts
and suicidal thoughts.
So pretty reckless to leave the gun out of

(35:43):
the safe for your kid.

LARA (35:45):
Well, the mom and dad were married like
three or four times.

Becca (35:51):
Yeah, she definitely had a troubled
childhood.
Married, divorced, married, divorced,
married, divorced yeah she had a troubled
childhood, but the links to MKU and 09A
were really outstanding, and that was when
I also started to get attacked by this
other group, this other splinter group of
764, who's probably currently the one
that's responsible for most of the attacks
and threats and harassment against me.

(36:11):
Which group is that?
I wasn't going to name them, but they call
themselves—there's a couple of different
ones.
There's one called Report God GC.
There's a website called Skibbity Farms.
That's real bad, yeah.

LARA (36:26):
Now tell us about Skibbity Farms, because
they've come across my radar before.

Becca (36:30):
Yeah, so Skibbity Farms is like it's bad.

LARA (36:33):
My kids showed me Skibbity.

Becca (36:34):
Farms.
You need to have a talk with them.
So the purpose of that website used to be
basically spamming, going to YouTube
communities and Discord servers and
spamming child pornography as a form of
harassment.
They have this.
They call themselves irony groups, right.
So they say, oh, it's just ironic, we're
not actually pedophiles, we're just sharing

(36:54):
this because it's ironic.
But obviously they are.
Some of the people in that group are minors,
just kids doing this.
Some of them are adults and they've been
really prominent lately in these
communities with the 09A influence and the
school shooter influence, so we've seen a
lot of them lately.
They're very problematic, but a lot of

(37:16):
times too, it's hard to say, like this is
the group responsible because the
memberships overlap of so many different
groups, right?
Yes, yes.

LARA (37:22):
By design.
Okay, that's hard, well, and my kids were
showing it to me because it has been
exposed by other social media influencers
who've posted about them.

Becca (37:33):
Yeah, so Skippity Farms was actually.
There was an article by the Daily Caller.
Hudson Crozier actually messaged me and
asked me for my input in the article and I
thought that he was just going to make an
article about 764.
So I gave him some like basics but then
when he put the article out he had like
actually gone into this Discord server and
was like here's the leaders of this server

(37:55):
and here's how they're operating.
And here's it.
I was like whoa, this is brave dude.
I was like this is a fantastic article.
Like you did a great job of going into
these servers and breaking down what
they're doing.
Good for him.
But it's brave because, like they didn't
like it and they're reading it, they're
watching this right now, you know,
preparing to cut it and splice it and make
a video edit of you know me talking here,

(38:17):
superimposed, with kids cutting themselves.
They're sick people.

LARA (38:21):
Yeah, they're sick people, and when you're
talking about animal abuse, I mean these
are very sick people.

Becca (38:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They send me videos of them torturing cats
all the time.

LARA (38:36):
How do they torture them?

Becca (38:41):
Stabbing them with knives, cutting their
eyeballs out.
There's crush videos where, like you know,
a high-heeled woman disembowels a kitten.

LARA (38:52):
Yep, yeah, yep, I'm sorry I asked.
That reminds me, actually, of something a
Facebook content moderator told me about
many years ago, when I interviewed him and
we were off camera and I said you know what
are the kind of things that you reject?
Like cause?
He said you cannot imagine the stuff that
we see and um.
And so I said like what?
And he said there's, there's people who get

(39:14):
a sexual thrill from taking, having a girl
take a bag of puppies, for example, wearing
stilettos and crushing them.

Becca (39:22):
Yeah, animal crush is actually actually, um,
I think trump was the one who who escalated
it to a federal crime.
I think that they just recently increased
the penalty for that, so it's very legal,
hopefully.
No, I know, I wish, um, I know I shouldn't
say that, I know it's just so.
It's like it's so awful and you know, the
thing is is that these videos are mostly

(39:44):
made overseas, but even distributed,
distributing them now, is the same as child
pornography, basically.
So you can't even distribute or save or
download or anything.
So if you see that video, please, for the
love of God, just report it and try to go.

LARA (40:00):
I mean, I've never seen it, but you know, I
was just curious because there's so much
bad stuff on Facebook and I was like what
doesn't make the cut, you know?
And the things he told me about were just,
you know, obviously they stay with those.
Those things are so wicked that they, truly,
they, never leave you.

Becca (40:21):
No, I've definitely tried to reduce my
exposure.
I won't watch it.
Like these guys will send me tons of videos
but I won't watch any of the videos.
I don't.
I don't.
I'll turn my head away from the screen.
I will actively avoid even just like if I'm
scrolling on X.
I had this issue recently where I was.
I don't even know if I was following these
accounts, but I'd be scrolling and then all

(40:45):
of a sudden there'd be like a video of a
person getting hit by a car and like the
video is auto playing and I'm just seeing
that and I I even think that that's so bad
for us to see that kind of violence and and
uh, especially in a social media feed like
that, to just accidentally see like
somebody just where it's just headed to you
by the algorithm yeah, yeah, there's a lot
of pictures of people being beaten.

LARA (41:04):
Yeah, you know a lot of sites and things
like that.

Becca (41:07):
I don't like to watch people being beaten.
Yeah, I don't either.
So I started blocking all those accounts
every time they'd pop up.
And now because otherwise you don't want to
put the sensitive content filter on,
because then you can't even watch my videos.

LARA (41:17):
My videos have a sensitive content filter
right, Right, right, and you can't even see
that?
Okay, so well, let's talk about you then,
because, wow, I mean you have wandered into
a dark, dark world and you know you get
attacked all the time online and, strangely

(41:38):
enough, you even get attacked by so-called
I'm going to get attacked now, but that's
okay.
So-called I'm going to get attacked now,
but that's okay but by Steve Friend and
Kyle Serafin, FBI whistleblowers, who are
also attacking you.
So you get attacked by the people in these
groups who don't want to be exposed, who
send all this hate your way, and then you
get attacked by people like Serafin and

(42:00):
Friend, who said that you don't know what
you're talking about, which was very odd to
me.
I didn't understand it because I looked
into what you were talking about and
there's a plethora of evidence.
Even before the FBI, before Kash Patel and
Pam Bondi came out with their statement,
there was so much evidence regarding what

(42:21):
you're saying.
I mean arrests in the UK, arrests in
Australia, arrests in Canada, arrests here
in the US in different places, Exposing

(42:41):
something that there's mountains of video
evidence, mountains of photographs,
mountains of chats, Even YouTube influences
doing videos exposing this.
So why would people try to deny that it
even exists?

Becca (42:59):
I was very confused by that, honestly, and
blindsided, because, like you said, I've
been through hell.
Like I've been through hell, I've seen hell,
I've seen it and it's you know, it's these
kids getting hurt all the time and I've
been alone.
I haven't really had any like backup or
support and I'm not like, I don't have a
media organization or a government

(43:19):
organization behind me, so it's just me
screaming into the void for over a year.
And when people finally started to listen,
then I started to have these people who
should be universally like yes, let's talk
about this and let's get this information
to parents, as many parents as possible,
because we can save lives by getting this
information to parents.
But instead I was, you know, met with

(43:39):
attacks and it was very confusing and I
would just say it was disorienting and kind
of scary because I didn't know what the
purpose of the attack was and I didn't know
where it was going to lead.
But luckily, you know, I feel like I have,
like God and the angels on my side, because
it didn't work.
It kind of backfired on them, I think, a
little bit.

LARA (43:59):
You definitely have God and the angels on
your side.
They're all around you.
It's upsetting.
I know that you have a daughter, and it
must be.
I know they've threatened her too and
you're divorced, so that must just.
I can see how that's.

Becca (44:17):
And it was dangerous because they were
threatening to dox me.
They were threatening to put personal
information out and you know, anyone who's
followed me for any amount of time can see
that these people are constantly trying to
find me and kill me.
So I mean, I really felt like it was
escalated to like reckless endangerment,
like level.

LARA (44:35):
I don't think you'd be sitting here if you
didn't have the hand of God on you yeah,
you're probably right.

Becca (44:41):
I mean, there's something, there's
something in me that didn't let this go.
You know, I know that, uh, there's a a
trend, um, you know, usually for social
media creators.
You know, it's like I want to talk about
this story that's breaking right now, and I
don't keep talking about this story because
people get tired of it, right, but this was
like no, I'm going to keep.
I'm just going to keep talking about this.
In fact, I'm going to stop talking about
everything else and just talk about this

(45:02):
until it gets exposure Well before this you
were talking about.

LARA (45:06):
I mean, I know what you're, you know from
your personal side that after you got
divorced, you were doing private security
and really threw yourself into competitive
shooting.
And you're pretty good, right.
Thank you More than pretty good.
You're really good, okay.

(45:26):
But then you decided to go into gaming and
you've always loved video games, but so you
went to twitch yeah, I will.

Becca (45:36):
So what happened was um.
So I was.
I was looking for a way to make money.
Right, I had been doing.
I have a level four ppo, which is the
highest.
Actually, the highest level of armed
security you can have in texas is bodyguard
level.
Um, and so I was doing that personal
protection, pp personal protection officer,
right, um, so I'd been doing, uh, security
gigs and I've been doing private

(45:57):
investigation work for extra money.
But when I was doing my competitive
shooting, I was really enamored by, like
the gun tuber scene, right, and the guys
who were, you know, shooting on film and
YouTubing and doing live streams talking
about guns and stuff.
I thought that was really cool and so I
would play video games and talk about guns
and self-defense.
That was my thing.
I was the gun girl.

(46:18):
I went through a couple of identity crises,
I guess after my divorce or whatever, but
ultimately I continued to try to do deep
dives into these spaces.
And one thing that I found that kind of
kick-started all of this was I found a
child predator ring operating on Twitch

(46:42):
which, at the time, again me.
I get these causes and I'm like I'm going
to stand this cause until people start
muting me or someone in the government does
something, and so that's what I did with
that one.
I mean people were like man, when are you
going to stop talking about this?
You know, never.
Well, eventually Bloomberg picked it up and
did their own investigation into it, and it
turned out that there were 300,000 kids
targeted on Twitch by this ring in two
years, 300,000 kids by a group of about

(47:05):
2000 international predators who were
trying to, you know, get illicit content
from kids who were streaming.
So after that happened I was like, wow,
this is.
This whole online scene is dark.
Was that out of Brazil?

LARA (47:17):
Is that that long?

Becca (47:18):
I'm pretty sure they were all in Eastern
Europe.
There was a lot of Russian speakers in that
network, but I don't know.
We never really got any answers about it,
just that basically the UK stepped in and
said yo, twitch, if you don't get it
together, we're going to ban you from the
UK.
Like, you have to start protecting kids.
You cannot just let 300,000 kids get

(47:39):
victimized on your platform.
It's crazy.

LARA (47:41):
And that's just one ring.

Becca (47:42):
Yeah, well, yeah, these 2,000, this group
of 2,000 predators had targeted 300,000
different kids on Twitch.
So maybe not all of them were victims, but
they were all targeted by this ring because,
the same way that we were finding the kids
and finding the predators, the predators
were finding the kids by just scrolling to
the very bottom, where there was zero
viewer streams, and you could see the kids

(48:05):
who were vulnerable because they're holding
their parents' phone and they're like seven
or eight.
I had to press go live and here we are
right.
So I exposed that.
It became a big deal and then I you know
what I'm going to start devoting more of my
platform to online dangers, cyber, and I
had also because you were.

LARA (48:23):
You were also giving you're an instructor,
too, right in self-defense and things like
that, so you were giving people advice on
on both cyber crime and your physical
security.

Becca (48:34):
Right.
So you know, I had been the victim of
cyberstalking also as a female creator,
right, and I'd had a lot of other female
creators come to me for help with
cyberstalking problems and I became like
the mom of Twitch right, where people knew
they could come to me for help and I would
give them advice.
I'd talk to law enforcement, documenting
all the stuff that was happening.
You know resources and then, well, you know,

(48:56):
I was just, I was helping people when I
could.
There was also an uptick in swatting around
that time, so I was helping creators scrub
their personal information off the Internet
and help figuring out ways to prevent
swatting.
So, yeah, I started to kind of get in from
personal defense into this online safety, I
think you're kind of like a I think you're
a new hero of mine.

LARA (49:17):
I mean seriously, you can.
I mean you, you can fight.

Becca (49:21):
You're training jiu-jitsu and everything
you can shoot really well, but you love to
hate me, so I must do it.

LARA (49:27):
You know who cares about that.

Becca (49:29):
I'm not perfect.
I'm just a normal person.
I know that they they love to be like oh,
she used to stream on Twitch.
No, she's an e-girl or whatever, and all
this I'm like you know what, whatever my
journey was.
What is that?
I think it's just like a degrading term for
a girl who, like you know, streams for,
like you know, money or whatever you know.
Remember, like back on Twitch in that era
you had the bathtub streams or the hot tub

(49:49):
streams where the streamers were just like
in bikinis streaming, or the hot tub
streams where the streamers were just like
in bikinis streaming oh I see.

LARA (49:55):
And like hee-hee, and then taking money
right, I found all of that like sticking
needles in my eyes.
It was pretty terrible.
Yeah, I really did.
My children would watch.

Becca (50:04):
you know, in the early days I'm not even
going to try to say the names, because I'll
say the wrong names.
Oh yeah, the gaming stuff.
Yeah, like PewDiePie.
Pewdiepie was one of them.
Markiplier, why are you watching a guy play
a video game?
Just go play a video game.
That's what I would say.
You don't want to watch the game?
No, mom, I will say that in my Twitch.
All my old Twitch viewers will say that the

(50:25):
reason they came to my stream was not
because I was a good gamer, because I
wasn't.
It was because I was talking about guns and
competitive shooting.

LARA (50:32):
Well, and you were good at those things and
you were giving self-defense tips and
relating it to real-life situations and
things like that.

Becca (50:40):
Yeah, but I think you know it was a journey,
but ultimately I've always just gravitated
towards protecting people and that's just
my nature.
I have a very protective nature.
I want to protect others and help people
who are less, you know, capable of
defending themselves, especially children.
And you're brave Wow.

LARA (50:59):
You're very brave.
You take a lot of abuse.
You take more abuse than the average person
out there and you look how many people are
afraid to speak up because they don't want
to take any abuse.

Becca (51:09):
That's true, and I don't blame them, I mean,
especially when it comes to the 764 network.
So like a little side story.

(51:29):
But back when, like when that video ended
and I was talking about Kyle Spitz's friend
Acid, we want you to come into the
department and make a statement.
And I said, okay, so I show up at the
police department and the FBI meets me at
the door and I was like they're like, yeah,
I'm with the FBI.
I was like, oh, they're like, do you have
any idea how serious this is?

(51:49):
And I was like, well, I guess I do.
Now you know, they put me in one of those
little first 48 rooms.
I was just like what is happening?
The guy who did that acid.
His name was Cameron Finnegan, he was 19.
He was arrested in the UK recently,
sentenced.

LARA (52:03):
Oh, was he the one who was trying to get
another terrorist attack?

Becca (52:07):
Yes, he was influenced by MKU and the no
Lives Matter group.
Was he the New York attack?
No, no, he was planning to murder a
homeless person on video and he also had a
terrorism manual which you can have here in
the US but you can't have in the UK.
It's illegal to possess and he was also
charged— and they write their own manuals,
right?

LARA (52:25):
These are called lore books, yeah.

Becca (52:27):
Well, they write terrorism handbooks how to
go commit a mass shooting, how to commit a
stabbing and get away with it, how to make
ricin, you know, I mean how to make bombs
in your bathtub, like crazy stuff.
But he was also charged with possessing
child exploitation content and he was
charged with trying to coerce a girl to

(52:47):
commit suicide on livestream in the UK.
And one of the things when I was watching
the sentencing the judge and it was live
streamed by like all the outlets it was
like a big trial there.
The judge was reading off some of the file
names that he had in his folder and one of
them was titled BX's face, after I'm done
raping her dead body, or something horrible

(53:08):
like that.
And the judge just read it off in the
sentencing and I was like what I wonder if
he knows that that was like me, that he
just read it off in the sentencing.
And I was like what I wonder if he knows
that that was like me, that he just read
the victim's username.
He probably didn't even realize it, because
normally they redact that stuff.
So then that same group kind of started to
use that clip to harass me.
You know like repeat it over and over, just

(53:29):
try to mess with me.

LARA (53:30):
They try to mess with your head, so you
have to be.

Becca (53:49):
I mean, you're physically very capable, you
know how to fight and you know how to, you
know use, how to shoot, and you but you,
but you have to a very small group of
people who've been researching with me for
like years I consider, honestly, my closest
friends and they've been very involved and
have gotten some of this information and
we've been in it together.
And so I think that without those people to
bounce things off of and have to help me

(54:10):
and to kind of give me support, I don't
think I would have been able to do it.
And the same goes for, like, even though
maybe like a year ago, I had a much smaller
following because nobody really knew who I
was or anything, but I did have like
dedicated, like there were several like
larger creators who really were like we
want to help you, and those guys really
helped me out a lot and encouraged me to
keep going, and so I definitely had a lot

(54:31):
of encouragement, and so I definitely had a
lot of encouragement.
You are helping me.
This is very helpful.

LARA (54:35):
Well, and I, you know I do try to follow.
I don't like to get involved in spats
online generally because most of the time I
have no idea.
You know what's really going on, but if
there's an obvious like you know obviously,
where I can see you, you're being attacked
and it makes no sense.
You know I speak up.

Becca (54:52):
Yeah, I always find it very strange.
I've been attacked by several weird
communities before which to me, I'm like
that's par for the course, especially if
you're doing this child predator stuff
right.
But to have those particular guys start
attacking me and gang up on me was very
upsetting.
They also shared they were sharing deepfake
nudes like they were sharing like a

(55:13):
screenshot that said I had an OnlyFans with
nudes.
It was completely fake, it wasn't even real
and they were using that to say like she
does porn.
And I'm like this is like so crazy and
damnatory.

LARA (55:24):
They want to take your credibility.
Yeah Right, we're going to make you.

Becca (55:35):
Like with me it was oh, she's.
Oh right, yeah, they're using, right,
they're using these like five-year-old
twitch clips that like haters had like
spliced out of context, you know, they took
like a me saying something and spliced it
with something else and then they combined
it to make it seem like I was doing
something ridiculous which, if you've been
a creator on twitch and you have hundreds
and hundreds of thousands of hours of live
streams, anybody can do that.
But oh, I tried to think they could do with
I even stopped live streaming eventually

(55:56):
because I was like, oh, this is like too
stressful now.
Yeah, people doing stuff like that.
But yeah, they tried to pull like years old
clips of Twitch and try to use it to
discredit the 764 network.

LARA (56:09):
You know what?
It reminds me of Andy Ngo, because I've
known Andy for many, many years and I love
him and I respect him.
He is a journalist who really committed
himself to trying to understand Antifa, and
it happened because his parents escaped
communism in Vietnam and when he was in
college and he saw these people protesting,
they were carrying the communist flag and

(56:31):
he was like, wait a minute, like I know
what that represents because he knew from
his parents experience and so he, that's
how he started to go into that.
And what they hate is that he, they, they
operate, they use deception.
So, just the same as these groups, they use
anonymity and deception.

(56:52):
Right, that's what.
That's how they hide, and he shines a light
on that, like he, just by following arrest
records.
Yeah, you know what you can find in court
documents, what you can find um in during a
trial and um and he, you know he'll, he'll
take their photographs because they like to
wear masks, right, that's why they loved

(57:12):
covet.
Yeah, I mean the fact that you had covet
and wear masks, right, that's why they
loved COVID.
I mean the fact that you had COVID and
George Floyd at the same time and they
could.
Everybody had to wear masks, and so they
could hide easily.
That was perfect for them.
Now they look like idiots wearing their
masks, like the idiots they really are, and
so Andy exposes them and you expose these
people.
They don't like it when you do that.

Becca (57:33):
They really don't.
They, I always say you know, evil thrives
in the darkness, and they that's why, when
I started shining a light on 764, you know
you'd have the people will say, well,
you're just giving these groups attention.
But no, I can tell by the way they're
targeting me and threatening me that they
don't like it.
They want to stay in the dark and as long
as they stay in the dark, they're going to
continue to harm kids, right?

(57:54):
Just like?
If this information stays in the dark, then
parents don't hear the information.
They don't know how to protect their kids.
They don't know their kids are being
groomed on Roblox, right?
No, my kids used to play Roblox, you know,
and I do the same thing with people who are
attacking me.
I get people in my comments that are like
oh well, just ignore the trolls, and I was
like I don't think this is a normal troll.
I think this is somebody who needs a light

(58:15):
shined on them.
This is a serious situation for me, where
my life is being threatened all the time
and when people are attacking me, I like my
audience to see what's happening and who's
attacking me.
I think it's safer.

LARA (58:27):
Well, what I have learned over the course
of, you know, 35 plus years of being a
journalist, course of you know, 35 plus
years of being a journalist, I have learned
that where you see chaos, there's order
behind it.
And where you see networks, they hate you
to say they're organized.
You know they want you to say it's an
organization.

(58:48):
It's not an organization, it's a network of
organizations.
But it may be decentralized, it may be
self-sustaining, but there is still a level
of organization behind it and that means
there's money and that means there's
handlers and that means there's masterminds.

(59:10):
I mean sure you can find a cell here and a
cell there.
No doubt you can show it's a bunch of
losers, right, or a bunch of psychopaths
and serial killers, but that's fertile
ground to be infiltrated.
You can either run that cell or you can
just be within that cell.
You can just be redirecting it or
manipulating the people within the cell and
then you can get them to do whatever you

(59:31):
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So okay, let's talk about incels.
Okay.
I asked my kids you know what incels are?
Yeah, I got a 10-minute explanation, and
that's what's crazy to me is that these
things are normal for young people, not

(01:01:17):
normal in the sense that I mean.

Becca (01:01:19):
You know, my kids were very clear on how—
yeah, that's a word that I know, yeah.

LARA (01:01:22):
Yeah, they were very clear on how dark and
insane and evil it is.
So I got a really good education, you know,
but can you explain it?

Becca (01:01:37):
you know, but um, can you explain it?
Yeah, so I mean the.
The definition of an incel is a a man who
cannot find a romantic partner, despite
trying, simple right, involuntary yeah,
involuntarily celibate like I would like to
have sex.
That would be nice, but I unfortunately
cannot.

LARA (01:01:50):
I've tried, okay um, nobody wants me see
the victim mentality again.

Becca (01:01:54):
Super victim mentality.
It's to a level of annoyance.
When I first found the incel community the
reason I had found it is actually because I
was researching mass shootings and I
stumbled upon a woman who had a podcast.
Her name was Nama Cates, her podcast was
called Incels and she was in this InCell

(01:02:16):
forum, this website for InCells, and she
was, you know, talking to them and
sympathizing with them and oh you know.
But she was also kind of advertising the
forum, I noticed Didn't seem like she was
trying to draw people away.
It seemed like she was actually giving them
attention, right, amplifying them, yes.
And I later learned that she worked for a

(01:02:36):
DHS-funded NGO called Light Upon Light.

LARA (01:02:39):
So that was a very interesting— let's say
that again.
Dhs, so Department of Homeland Security,
right Funded, yes, ngo.

Becca (01:02:49):
Yes, it was an NGO, a counterterrorism NGO
that was funded via the Targeted Violence
and Terrorism Prevention Grant, and I have
a lot of problems with this grant.
It should cease to exist, because they're
not using it to fight terrorism.
They're using it to put academics in these
spaces and do weird stuff.
There's a lot of money washing going on,

(01:03:13):
there's a lot of surveillance illegal
surveillance going on, and so the last
thing they're doing is following research
that could actually help people, and what
they could be doing with this money is
building community frameworks to find these
kids who are escalating to violence and
stop them from doing so.
Right At the community level, this money

(01:03:33):
could do a lot of good.

LARA (01:03:35):
Well, because there's a lot of signs,
there's a lot of things that parents say
when kids are becoming withdrawn and
they're posting about this or they find you
know sort of child abuse pictures on their
phones.

Becca (01:03:45):
We need more for that.
We need more on the prevention side, but
what they're doing is instead they're
funding podcasts where some woman just
sympathizes with what they consider an
extremist and then gives the forum more
attention, and no one's getting saved and
no one's getting help.

LARA (01:03:59):
It's like having a show for pedophiles,
where they get to explain why they're a
pedophile and why we should feel sorry for
them.

Becca (01:04:04):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what, and in many
cases she has platformed open pedophiles
and done exactly that.
So it's very strange.
I'm not liking.

LARA (01:04:13):
Nama.

Becca (01:04:13):
No, I don't you know, and wasn't she?
Was she an actress or something?
She was an ex-Hollywood actress.
Yeah, you talked about her in your first
episode of your series.
So I stumbled upon her article about the
Highland Park mass shooter and then I
started talking to her a little bit.
She said hey, you know what?
I have this podcast about the incels and
she you know what I have this podcast about

(01:04:33):
the incels and she you know, I know all
these people in the counterterrorism
community.
You should check out my podcast.
But I was like I'm actually more interested
in this incel forum you're talking about
because I think that I will find these
accelerationist provocateurs who I've been
searching for.
At the time I was still searching for
Sandman.
Right, I was searching for Sandman and I
was searching for these guys.
So, so Sandman was the one who came after
you.
No, sandman was the provocateur behind the

(01:04:54):
Buffalo shooting, the guy who was talking
to Peyton Gendron.

LARA (01:04:57):
That's right, the handler for the Buffalo
shooter.

Becca (01:04:59):
And so I was looking for these guys, these
accelerationist provocateurs.
I said I might find them in the incel forum.
Not only did I find those accelerationist
provocateurs there saying no one likes you,
women are the problem.
You should go, kill women.
Killing women will solve all of your
problems.
But it wasn't just that, it was order of
nine angles.
There were order of nine angles people
there trying to convince them to go commit

(01:05:19):
like satanic rituals when they, you know,
harm themselves or kill themselves or kill
other people.
There were ISIS recruiters funneling people
to the main ISIS website to try to get them
to embrace radical Islam as a solution to
their incel woes.
Right so, but the idea is that you have

(01:05:39):
this group of people who are low, they're,
they're rock-bottom, they're, they've given
up, they're perfect for the patty live
online or they are literal patsies, like
the digital world is their world.

LARA (01:05:51):
That's all they've given up on real life,
like forming relationships in the real
world up operating in the real world.

Becca (01:05:56):
And then the website itself has its—it's so
cult-like.
It has its own vocabulary, right.
It's got its own vocabulary, its own memes,
and if you ascend from inceldom, if you do
get laid or whatever, find a girlfriend,
you're actually criticized and ostracized
and fuck that guy, right.
So it's very cult-like.
All the elements of the cult are there,

(01:06:17):
right.
And so this is fertile grounds for a
terrorist from every part of the world to
come in and say, oh, this is where I want
to find my next, you know, islamic, radical
Islamic fighter to go bomb a building.
Right, I want this guy to go commit a mass
shooting, for my acceleration is caused or
whatever.

(01:06:37):
So they're going in there and they're
preying on these guys, and that's what I
saw.
It was very obvious to me.
I got a lot of pushback from the owners of
that forum, who really did not want me
poking around in there, obviously.
But ultimately, what else I found was that
there are other NGOs not even just the one
from NAMA, but other ones that are in there
and they are studying them and writing

(01:06:59):
papers about incels.
Oh how did—no one's addressing the
terrorism they're taking these terrorism
grants and writing papers about incels are
more likely to be autistic or they're more
likely to be shy.
It's like we don't need a study to know
this.
It's like pretty obvious, right?
So they're putting out these papers that to

(01:07:20):
outsiders reading this would be like why do
I care about this, right, but they're not
actually doing anything about the terrorism
in there.
So that's my beef.
I have with, like, the grant money and how
it's being used.

LARA (01:07:31):
Well, let me tell you what my kids said
incels were.
Incels were these people living in their
parents' basement, you know, staying online
for you know, 15, 16, 17 hours a day,
living in this online world, who have you
know, can't function in normal society and

(01:07:52):
they're a bunch of pedophiles.

Becca (01:07:54):
Well, yeah, I mean, they got a few things
right.
Just keep, keep your kids believing that,
keep them ostracizing those communities.
That's fine, you know.
I would say that there I've met some people
from the forum who are genuinely just like
hey, like no, I'm just, I've accepted that
I'm never going to find a partner and I
want a community, right, and?
And I block all those extremist guys.

(01:08:15):
That's not me.
But then there's other ones who are
pedophiles and there's other ones who are
terrorists, like literally being not
terrorists in and of themselves.
Like the incel movement is not a terrorist
movement.
It's being used by terrorists to find
people who are at the bottom, like the end
of their rope and you know, easy to push
off that edge.
Just got to give them a little nudge.
That's the best recruiting route.

(01:08:36):
Yeah, so that's what I found in the incel
community.
I also found, like I said, order of nine
angles there.
What about 764?
I haven't seen any 764.
And in fact one of the moderators of that
forum had come to me a few weeks ago and
said hey, I know you hate me and I know you
hate our forum, but if you ever see any of
these members anywhere in there, like let

(01:08:57):
me know and I will ban them because we
don't want any part of that.
So yeah, so 764 has been kind of.
They're less about infiltrating, they're
more likely to infiltrate communities with,
like you know, underage girls and stuff.
Now the mass shooter people know for sure
they're going to be infiltrating all of

(01:09:17):
those kind of groups though.

LARA (01:09:19):
Okay.
So when you look at all of these groups,
who are the worst?
Well, 764 is definitely the worst, worse
than 09A and worse than Maniac, murder,
cult and no Lives Matter.

Becca (01:09:31):
Yeah, when you say it like that, I mean I
guess 764 is the most jarring right, but
they're all really bad.
I would say in their own ways 764 is the
most disgusting and horrifying.
I would say the MKU is probably the most
dangerous foreign terror threat that no one
knows about.
But I think it's going to get worse.

(01:09:52):
I'm saying it here on your show I think
that the threat from MKU's going to get
worse.
I'm saying it here on your show I think
that the threat from MKU is going to get
worse.

LARA (01:09:58):
It's amazing that a group out of Ukraine
can get a kid in the US to kill his parents
and then be intent on killing the president.
Imagine if they'd pulled that off, because
nobody would have believed it.
The media would have.
Even if it had been exposed at the time,
they would have said nonsense.

Becca (01:10:14):
Well, nobody paid attention to that story.

LARA (01:10:16):
No one.
I was shouting from the rooftops, which is
also weird.
Third assassination attempt, by the way,
and I mean groups that I talk to and I
don't talk to you.
I don't knowingly talk to people from no
Lives Matter, but people who work in the
intelligence world.

(01:10:36):
You know those assassination attempts.
I wonder if you've ever found any political
links, because I hear that those roads lead
back to people like John Brennan.

Becca (01:10:48):
Well, I can't talk to that and I'm not sure
I know that.
For the Cassip attempted assassination, the
17-year-old killed his parents.
He was also in contact with a neo-Nazi
group from Russia called NSWP, which is
notorious for political assassinations and
stuff Like I think that they've done some

(01:11:08):
like really crazy political stuff.
So, and then he was also part of a
Ukrainian Aian azov linked group called
misanthropic division, which is also
intertwined with o9a.
So over there it's kind of it's kind of
like calm right where all these groups are
bleeding together across the border.
When, when I went into one of those groups,
um, they had a, they had a pinned uh post

(01:11:30):
on their telegram channel that said no
fighting about the russian, ukrainian
conflict, we don't promote, promote
infighting between white people, and I'm
translating it from Cyrillic, right.
But it basically said that this isn't a
political group, we're all just whites that
are fighting for collapse.
So you know, there's some just crazy people
out there and it's very, very dangerous.

(01:11:51):
I think that the fact that it's not
politically motivated makes it even more
dangerous, because what you have is, like I
had mentioned, the coalitional element of
this, which is that you can get people from
opposite ideologies.
I'm pro-Russia, I'm pro-Ukraine.
Well, who cares?
We both want to collapse the system.
Let's join forces right, and they join
these ad hoc coalitions, not even realizing

(01:12:11):
it.
So that's the danger of accelerationism is
that it's not politically motivated.
It could apply to anyone's political
ideology and those people could
theoretically start working together.

LARA (01:12:23):
Well, in the Canadian documentary by the
show Fifth Estate, that young girl that we
looked at her and how I mean just what they
did to her over two years is just
unbelievable.
And then it traces back to that black
American guy in North Carolina and what the

(01:12:43):
police officer interviewed in that
documentary says is that when he asked him
why, he said he liked the blood.

Becca (01:12:51):
Yeah, these people are sick.
They're demons.
There's no other explanation.
I look into someone's eyes, like I look
into MKUltra's eyes, like in Kier Cutler,
and I think like there's nothing there,
he's dead.
He just looks dead right to seeing him

(01:13:11):
face-to-face in court during his sentencing.
I think that'll be a very emotional
experience for me, but I think it's
necessary.
I think it's almost like a closure thing.

LARA (01:13:22):
I hope you're going to take someone with
you.

Becca (01:13:24):
Yeah, I'm going to have to hire a bodyguard.
I think I already got one in mind, so we're
all good.

LARA (01:13:29):
Well, that's good, not that you can't
protect yourself, but there's a reason,
right, you know, the us helicopters fly in
in pairs and combat zones, right, because
two is better than one, well and okay.
So you know.
Where it does start to get political, it
appears to me, is when you talk about
accelerationists, because incitement, right.

(01:13:50):
Even when you look at ukraine, for example,
um, you know, ukraine had its Maidan
revolution and when I've looked into that,
what you find is that there were snipers
that were shooting at police officers and
there were snipers that were shooting at
people in the crowd and they created that
conflict and wreck, you know, and the

(01:14:10):
tension between the police and the people,
which was the state and the people to
facilitate the overthrow of a government.
So, you know, you have to.
Now that I learned about this, I wonder,
well, you know, were there accelerationists
within the maniac murder cult in Ukraine
that were facilitating that revolution?

Becca (01:14:33):
Yeah, absolutely Along with the CIA which
has been exposed.

LARA (01:14:36):
Well, there's.

Becca (01:14:36):
I mean you know and.
I'm not going to call myself an expert on
like all of this stuff, but there is
another substack that I follow I think I
bring it up in my article about Kassab that
covers this stuff pretty extensively and
he's linked in and tied.
Who's that His name?
His substack is called Events in Ukraine
and he's linked he's the one who's like

(01:14:58):
actually mapped out like the O-9A influence
between, like the Azov and all of these
different groups and all of the groups
within Russia and Ukraine, and he's really
done a good job.
So I would defer to the expert on that.
I'm not an expert on that stuff over there,
but there's definitely been some political
involvement in some like you know, we call
them like operations tied to these groups.

LARA (01:15:19):
Well, what about operations like January
6th?

Becca (01:15:23):
Yeah, totally different rabbit hole, but
same kind of concept, right, the leading
theory has always been that.
My leading theory has always been that
there were accelerationists.
I mean, we know there's accelerationists in
the crowd that day, but that they were at
least partially responsible for provoking
some of the conflict that day.
Of course, it's a very this is a very

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complex topic, right?
Yeah, there was lots of other people there
provoking as well, but for sure we know
that there were at least a couple of
members of these groups there.
In fact, one of the girl, one of the girls
from um connected to 764, riley Williams,
was it Riley Williams?
Uh, she was arrested as a J6er and um was

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later exposed that she was actually a
member of one of these 764 CVLT channels.
Um, so that was a very interesting one.
We were like whoa, that's kind of crazy
that that girl was there.
You know that's.
I haven't looked into that one too deeply
but that's the one that I can think of off
the top of my head.
You know other people from connected to

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adjacent communities that are connected to
Order of Nine Angles and all these
extremist groups were obviously there.

LARA (01:16:34):
When you say obviously there.
How do you know?

Becca (01:16:37):
Well, we've identified like there were
certain people in the crowd that day who
were linked back to like certain
organizations and groups.

LARA (01:16:45):
Well, and there were some Ukrainians
identified.
That's true.
Yeah, I haven't looked at whether those
Ukrainians were members of these groups,
but now I'm going to.
You're giving me homework.

Becca (01:17:00):
More likely than not.
I mean, I would say that if you're looking
at like extremist groups in Ukraine,
misanthropic division is definitely the
biggest one that I've seen in the landscape
right now.
Mku is going to be really fringe.
In fact, I'm not even sure that they were
around and very active at least not in the
US when January 6th happened.

LARA (01:17:17):
Well, and now you know you've mentioned
Azov Battalion a couple of times.
So, just in case you know there are people
who are not familiar with them, azov was.
It's really a division, not a battalion,
just based on size and numbers.
But this is a group that is within the
Ukrainian military that has received a lot
of funding and support from the US and NATO,

(01:17:38):
who, you know, before this conflict, openly
flew the Shvastika as part of their—they've
got the black son of the occult Right.
They have, you know, all these other Nazi
symbols, and people like to say they're
neo-Nazis.
I think of them as Nazis because if you
look at the history of Ukraine, you know

(01:17:58):
Western Ukraine was the headquarters of the
Nazi SS.
You know that's where they were based and
that was—the Nazi SS had a cult, satanic,
very strong occult identity to it.
So these are—you know there's a rich
history of Nazism and people you know, of

(01:18:18):
course, will point out that there were
hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian Jews who
were murdered and they were, but many of
them were murdered by Ukrainian Nazis, you
know.
And so there's a very real history there.
And then, of course, the CIA steps in in
Alan Dulles, of course.
Yeah, because the Ukraine's Nazis were not
prosecuted at Nuremberg.

(01:18:39):
They were protected by Alan Dulles and the
CIA.
So and then you look at, you know, decades
later, you're still funding the same Nazis
and well, a lot of them are, um, you know,
nazis that came from.

Becca (01:18:52):
like.
Well, I mean, you know and again I defer to
like the experts on this topic because it's
really not like my expertise or whatever
but some of these people, like the NSWP,
which was connected to Kassab, is in Russia,
but a lot of them have defected to Ukraine
as well.
So it's, there's definitely a lot of weird
neo-Nazi stuff going on, like just in
Eastern Europe in general, not even just in

(01:19:14):
Ukraine, but, like the guy that we were
talking about in Moldova, there's been
several of these guys from Serbia, romania.
So, yeah, there's definitely a prominent
Eastern European influence, just in general.

LARA (01:19:31):
The other political part of this is
regarding shootings, you know, because
there's.
You could say on the one hand, well, they
want these kids to go and do violence for
them and they rise within their community,
but you could also say that every mass
shooting is a victory for the anti-gun
lobby.

Becca (01:19:51):
Absolutely you could, and I think that they
know that right.
You could have a gun lobby.
Absolutely you could, and I think that they
know that right.
And I think that there's definitely a
concerted effort to push the AR-15, for
example, because it's definitely for some
reason, people get really up in arms about
the AR-15 more than any other gun.
Military style, yeah, military-grade
assault weapon.
Yeah, military-grade assault rifle as if

(01:20:16):
they have any idea what that means.
Yeah, but it's become like a knee-jerk
thing in the US that if the shooting
happens with an AR-15, there's going to be
calls to ban AR-15s, and sometimes they've
succeeded in this in certain states.
So I think that that's something that's
exploited by accelerationists, and
accelerationists will exploit any kind of
political division they can.

(01:20:37):
So they're going to exploit the trans thing
right, like they want a trans person to
become the next mass shooter, because
that's just going to create more friction
between the right and the left, because the
basic tenet of accelerationism is to usher
in the collapse by causing the system
itself to collapse in on itself, because
they're provoking that, infighting that

(01:20:59):
division, yes, and so anything that will
get us fighting left and right, they love
it.
So I mean, my biggest piece of advice to
America is to stop doing that.
You know, if we stopped fighting over guns
or we stopped politicizing every mass
shooting, and especially, I see it's really
bad now, like whenever a mass shooting

(01:21:19):
happens, you see disinformation, ai, deep
fakes, crazy, just ridiculously fabricated
stuff that people put out, and not just
mass shootings, but everything right,
people are rushing to try to politicize
everything and I would say all that does is
help the people who are actually behind
this.
It helps them accomplish their goal.

LARA (01:21:39):
What is your advice to parents?
I know you touched on this a little bit,
but what else?

Becca (01:21:46):
So, as far as you know, keeping your kids
safe online, I mean, the first thing I say
is to just try to never let them be on the
Internet unsupervised, like you have to
have full control, and full you know.
How on earth are you going to do that?
Well, you know, for example, having the
passcode to your kid's phone.

(01:22:06):
You don't have to watch them all the time,
they just laugh at me when I tell them I
want your passcode.

LARA (01:22:13):
They're like get out of here, mom.
They're 15, 16.

Becca (01:22:17):
Okay, so they're older, right?
So at a younger age though, let's start at
the younger age, right?
Your kids shouldn't have just a smartphone
or device in their hand at age 7, 8, 9,
right?
They don't have the slide over, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And the other thing is your kids should
never be talking to strangers online.
Yeah, and the other thing is your kid

(01:22:37):
should never be talking to strangers online.
No, sending them to a chat, you know, to
play Roblox, it's the same as sending them
to downtown Chicago and telling them to go
talk to every person they see.
Right, they're talking to literal strangers,
and what we've seen in Roblox is that these
764 members they'll put swastikas 764, I
love CP on their characters and then go
talk to your kid and invite them into these

(01:22:58):
Discord servers where the abuse starts.
A lot of parents are shocked to hear this,
because Roblox is like a 7 and up game.
It's for kids, but the game was made for
your kid to interface with the public.
Ban it, don't allow your kid to be on any
of these chat rooms.

LARA (01:23:13):
So I know this is a dumb question, but when
you're on Roblox and Minecraft, can anybody
come into your world?

Becca (01:23:20):
I'm pretty sure that there—well.
So there's different communities and worlds
that people build.
Right, you can make yours private.
You can build into people's communities,
yeah.

LARA (01:23:26):
Yeah.

Becca (01:23:26):
But regardless—and there's things that you
can set like in the settings, I'm sure, but
maybe just don't.
Why Just?
But maybe just don't why?
Just don't let them on it.
Just ban those games where they interface
with the public.
Your kids should never have a Discord
account.
They should not have a Snapchat account.
There is no reason for your young kid to
have any kind of access to the public.

LARA (01:23:47):
You want me, right, a young kid, young kid,
you know what the teenagers will say.
Right, why do they have Discord?
Because if one friend's got PlayStation and
one friend's got Xbox, the only way that
you, the way that you can communicate with
each other is in a Discord room, right, and
then all those different things don't
matter.

Becca (01:24:02):
I don't know For me.
I'm just going to tell them to go outside
or something, and I'm sure that they'll say
no, mom, I'm going to, you know, but but so
that brings can't completely micromanage
your kid and you can't expect your kid to
be on the internet.

LARA (01:24:16):
You can't hover over them 24-7.
You can't.

Becca (01:24:18):
It's not necessarily even healthy.
No, you don't want to even take technology
away from them, because that's going to be
their livelihoods when they're adults,
right?

LARA (01:24:25):
Right, and it's also how they relate to
each other, because, you know, you should
mention a meme that's already passed.
Oof, oof, embarrassing.
Yeah, that's a bad one.
No, literally that's like oh, this person
is so uncool, right, yeah, because they
have no idea.

(01:24:46):
They're trying to fit in and they're
picking up on things and I do that, of
course, right, yeah, you know I mention
things that it was too.
Mom, that was that's embarrassing.
Yeah, why, that was two years ago.

Becca (01:24:57):
So the next, the next part of that is that
when your kid is old enough to you know,
have the sex talk.
They're old enough to have the sextortion
talk You're old enough to talk to your kids
about because your kids have to learn to
defend themselves.
You're not going to be there to physically
defend your kid all the time.
That's why you teach them basic
self-defense and it's the same thing online.
You teach them how to identify bad actors.

(01:25:19):
What happens if somebody does try to talk
to you?
What if somebody does try to get nudes from
you?
You know, show them these videos at an
age-appropriate level.
Show them how horrific this stuff is.
And then you know you also have to make
sure I'm going to make them watch your
series.
Make sure they have open communication with
you, because so many times I've seen these

(01:25:40):
poor kids come and say I'm going to get in
so much trouble.
I want my daughter to know that, no matter
what happens, she can always come to me and
I will protect her.
No judgment, right?
The same thing with, like, drunk driving or
drunk like you know that your kids might do
something stupid.
Come to me, right?
I know it's sad, like as moms, it just
hurts our hearts.
It really is.
Don't do that.

(01:26:01):
You made me cry.

LARA (01:26:02):
But yeah, because it's just like they're
just waiting for any opening for your child
to feel misunderstood.
You know, if it don't fit in this or that,
you know I don't have any friends or my
friends don't understand me, and then my
mom doesn't understand me, and then yeah,
you can come to me, no matter what it is.

Becca (01:26:19):
It's not the end of the world.
These kids think it's the end of the world
for them.
It's not.
You know you're, you're a child and we're
going to prosecute these guys.
We're going to get this stuff off there.
There's a, there's tools Now we have take
it down site where you can get your get
these nudes removed like they're not.

LARA (01:26:36):
this isn't going to ruin your life and you
know, what else you can do as parents is
you can push for the laws to change.
We need a digital bill of rights.
We need to own our own image.
I don't think that that people think about
these things.
You know, I agree, if we have a bill of
rights, she wants to.

Becca (01:26:51):
I mean it's a person who's had ai deep fake
pornography.
You want to come up studio, dog, come here,
because I didn't pick you up.
Um, yeah, you know, I've, I've had.
These guys have made ai deep fake
pornography of me, you know, and it's a
jarring to see.
It's kind of funny in my.
I kind of find it like I don't find it too
bad because I'm like, well, whatever I

(01:27:13):
everyone knows it's fake.
But imagine that of a kid, imagine your kid
being harassed with that kind of thing.
And that's coming.
The AI stuff is coming.

LARA (01:27:22):
Well, and also you know, because I do some
work in counter-trafficking and work on
that subject and you know they have
technology now and this is probably nothing
compared to what's out there, but they have
technology where they can walk past you in
the street, walk around you, walk by you
and do a 3D scan of your child and then put

(01:27:43):
that 3D person on the dark web.
And then they use Oculus type of technology
you know those goggles to bring you into
right into 3D, yeah, and then they pay to
rape your child.

Becca (01:27:57):
You know, I mean I'm with you on the laws
changing for digital stuff like that.
I don't think that it should be illegal for
someone to make deep, fake pornographic
videos of me and then use it to harass me.
Sure, certainly it's already illegal for
them to do that of kids, but that's not
really we're not doing enough to prevent
that.
It's definitely right around the corner.
That's why I don't put any pictures of my
kid on the internet anymore none.

(01:28:18):
My daughter asked me well, why am I not on
Facebook?
Well, my friend said that their parents are
on Facebook and I'm like you're not, you're
not, you're not going to be online until
you're old enough to accept the
consequences of something that you do,
being online forever.
Trust me, I know I've said, done
embarrassing stuff and as an adult I've had
to deal with the fact that the internet is

(01:28:38):
forever right.
Kids don't have that understanding that the
internet is forever, that this could be
used against them.

LARA (01:28:43):
You know, I actually find with my teenagers
they do have that understanding.
Now They've seen enough of it.
Yeah, you know, they've seen enough of
people's lives being destroyed For barbed
wire, for something stupid.
Well, yeah, and my son had a situation
where he was helping a kid at school who
was having a sextortion thing, had sent

(01:29:04):
pictures to someone who was now trying to
get money out of him, and my son just said
to him how old is this girl?
And she was 18.
And he said and how old are you 15?
Oh, yeah, she's going to jail.
You let her know, right, and that was
amazing to me that he was smart enough to
figure it out.
So I do think that—.

Becca (01:29:25):
But usually they're just pretending to be.
Usually they're like in Nigeria or
something, sometimes in these rings, just
pretending to be girls.
It's messed up, you know.
Yeah, these kids can never give in to the
extorters either.
Right, you just have—.

LARA (01:29:40):
You can't give in no.
And now the FBI says that they have
investigations into 764 open in every city
in America.

Becca (01:29:48):
Yes.

LARA (01:29:48):
No, wait In every.

Becca (01:29:50):
FBI office, every FBI field office.
250-plus investigations representing every
one of the 55 field offices in America.

LARA (01:29:58):
Which should give you a sense of the scale
of this right.

Becca (01:30:01):
There's hundreds of investigations open,
you know.

LARA (01:30:04):
Hundreds.

Becca (01:30:05):
And so you know, I think that there was a
push.
You know certain individuals were trying to
say this is a small-scale, local problem.
Oh, they always say that there's no problem.
You know, she doesn't know what she's
talking about because this isn't a serious
threat.
So I think that them coming out and saying,
no, there's hundreds of investigations open
and when you really think about it, like
one of these predators can have dozens of

(01:30:26):
victims, even more, depending on how long
they've been in the space, right, so just
taking out one of these guys is so
impactful and out one of these guys is so
impactful and you know what, even if taking
out one of these guys just saved one victim,
I'm still okay with that, right, I mean the
amount of just, I don't want to say like
karmic input, but, like you know, the

(01:30:47):
damage done by harming just one child in
our country, like that is more than you can
imagine.
Right, it's not insignificant.
Calling a child victim insignificant is
very insulting, which is what Kyle Serafin
did, which just really broke my heart,
because I personally had to talk to these
kids and see you know the trauma that they

(01:31:08):
go through.
But I'm really glad that you know that the
word is getting out.
I'm glad that they're doing these PSAs,
because the other thing I was going to say
is that simply talking about this and
getting the word out not only will it help
parents, but it spreads awareness of the
group.
So when I started reporting on the group, I
got a DM from a girl in Europe, a high

(01:31:30):
school in Europe, and she said hey, I just
randomly came across your tweet the other
day about 764.
One of my classmates is a member because
he's been showing us Discord servers of him
getting girls to cut himself and I didn't
even know what it was.
But then I just randomly saw your tweet so
I thought I'd reach out to you for help and
so I said what's his username Like?

(01:31:50):
Find out his username, want to know?
And sure enough, it was one of the people
we'd been tracking.
So then I gave her, you know, I was able to
give her information on how to go to the
school, how to talk to you know what
resources to send them so they can
understand how serious this is.
And then we never saw that person again.
We never saw that user again because they
arrested him or they stopped him or you

(01:32:10):
know whatever.
So just simply her seeing my tweet took one
of these guys down and to me, that was
probably one of the most impactful things
that's happened to me this whole time,
because it let me realize like I am making
a difference here, right, even if just one
kid saw this and was saved, or a criminal
went to jail because someone saw, you know,
saw something, said something, to me that's

(01:32:32):
like really, really empowering and makes me
want to keep going.

LARA (01:32:36):
It makes me think I'm doing something right
and let me tell you, I sent your series to
so many people.
I sent your series to people who work in in
rescuing kids of the streets because I have
a friend who, um, who the like, a couple of
kids in a row that she rescued were all
autistic, and we've talked about the fact
that these kids don't go to school, they're

(01:32:57):
preyed on through their devices, their cell
phones or their computers or whatever, and
that they're preying on kids who are
mentally ill or disabled in some way.
Well then, I find researching for you that
this is written into one of the law books
is to target mentally ill kids because
they're easier to manipulate.

Becca (01:33:15):
It was trippy the one that was most
recently arrested had a manual or guide on
how to find kids online, and that's what he
said right Go into these communities where
people are mentally ill, autistic or
whatever, and that's where you're going to
find your kids.

LARA (01:33:27):
On the spectrum Asperger's, and these kids
are all told that they're slightly autistic
or whatever these days.
So they have this identity and they live in
that kind of world.

Becca (01:33:37):
Right, we're not building kids with strong
identities anymore and I think that a
strong identity, building a strong identity,
is important to a kid, because, from what
I've seen in these communities is that you
get the kids who are in that, and all kids
go through that phase of who am I identity,
sure, but that's a positive thing, right?
That's where you need the positive parent
role model to step in and help form them

(01:33:58):
for who they are going to be.
But if they're just left alone on a
smartphone during that phase, they're going
to become prey for these predators, right?
Because they're looking for girls and boys
who are just in that 12, 13, 14-year-old
age where they're confused.
And the more confused they are about their
identity, the easier they are going to be
to kind of.

(01:34:19):
You know, if they're already wobbling, it's
easier to knock them over, right?

LARA (01:34:23):
Well, this is, you know, just seeing that
you can reduce, like that little girl in
Canada, that you can reduce that.
I mean you saw she was unrecognizable.
You know, I mean yes, absolutely
unrecognizable.
W Unrecognizable.
You know, I mean yes, absolutely
unrecognizable.
Wounds all over every part of her body,
putting a chain around her neck and trying
to drown herself in a bath of blood.
I mean this is, and the guy is thousands of

(01:34:46):
miles away.

Becca (01:34:47):
Yep, that's.
What's crazy is, these people can be
anywhere in the world, you know.

LARA (01:34:50):
And they can have that kind of hold over
your child.
Yes, so why you have to keep your children
close?

Becca (01:34:56):
Yes, and trust.
You have to get, like I was saying, that
level of trust and communication between
you so that they know that they can come to
you right With anything.

LARA (01:35:05):
Right, okay, becca, I want to stay in touch
with you on this and keep talking about it,
and because this affects just like they
have the ability to affect millions of kids,
so do we.

Becca (01:35:20):
Yep, I agree with you 100%.
You have to counter it.
You have to.
The only way to counter ice evil is with
good, and I think that the good in this
case comes in the form of awareness and
information.

LARA (01:35:31):
Well, and action.
It helps that Pam Bondi and Kash Patel are
taking action on this Very much so.
It helps that Pam Bondi and Kash Patel are
taking action on this Very much so it helps
actually and I know people are going to say
this is political.
I do not mean it politically, but if you
just look at the executive orders, you look
at President Donald Trump, what he has done
in terms of trafficking of kids and
hopefully what we'll see with just ending

(01:35:52):
the trafficking of hundreds of thousands of
unaccompanied minors across the southern
border.

Becca (01:35:57):
I mean, protecting our kids is so important
because the kids are our future.
So if you know and I've said this before
but the 764, this accelerationist kind of
fusion with child abuse, it's a terror
attack on our kids.

LARA (01:36:12):
It is a terror attack.

Becca (01:36:13):
They're not attacking our borders, not
attacking our buildings.
They're attacking our children.
That's our biggest resource.
Yeah, it's kind of like to protect them.

LARA (01:36:22):
When you look at, you know, like Timothy
McVeigh and the whole Oklahoma bombing blew
up a whole bunch of kids and killed them
yeah, I know this stuff now about, was it
Timothy McVeigh?
But the point is that we identify that
clearly as being children were targeted,
but our children are being targeted by the

(01:36:45):
millions In the millions, yeah, and we're
giving the tool for those targeting them.
We're handing over the keys to the kingdom,
we're giving access to our kids away.
It's unbelievable.
Okay, the last thing I want to talk to you
about, because for me personally, it's very
important when I look at all of this,

(01:37:06):
there's one thing that every single one of
these groups has in common, even the ones
that claim to be Christian groups, and it's
a godlessness.

Becca (01:37:20):
Yes.

LARA (01:37:20):
Right.
So what is the role of Satanism in this?

Becca (01:37:24):
So, like we were talking about Order of
Nine Angles, I do believe that David Myatt,
the founder of Order of Nine Angles, is a
Satanist.
I do think that he believes in Satanism.
He might not believe in Vindex and the
Stargates and whatever else, but he does
believe in Satanism, and so do all of the
major players in the Order of Nine Angles
movement.
They're very, very rooted in Satanism.

(01:37:45):
You know, satanism pops up everywhere in my
research.
It's very kind of almost strange how much
Satanism pops up, right?
In fact, when I started putting out my 764
stuff and I started reporting on this, the
Church of Satan official Twitter page
started attacking me.
They've attacked me several times, but I
think it's honestly it's kind of funny
because they're kind of fun to just like

(01:38:06):
mess with.
No, because they come in and they'll make
their little arguments about.
This isn't true Satanism, because we're the
only true Satanism.
You know the true Scotsman fallacy here,
right?
No, that's not a true Satanism, only we're
true Satanism.
So you're not allowed to use that term
because we own it, because our founder,
anton LaVey, created the term Satanism and

(01:38:28):
it's in our Bible that you can't abuse kids.
I'm like this is the stupidest logic I've
ever heard.
Right, satanists can't abuse kids, because
we own the term Satanism and it's in our
Bible that you can't abuse kids.
So if you're abusing kids, you're not a
Satanist.
Oh yeah, except for satanic ritual abuse.
I'm like no one is falling for this
backwards logic.
Right, it's nonsense?
Yeah, it's nonsense.

(01:38:49):
And so they'll come and attack me and say I
can't use the word Satanism.
I know American media really gravitates
away towards mentions of Satanism, maybe
because they feel like it's too sensational,
or maybe it has to do with the satanic
panic or QAnon or whatever it is.
But I know that in other countries.
So people ask me like why did we just start
talking about this?

(01:39:09):
Why are we just not paying attention?
We're just not paying attention.
But the CBC was at my house in July of last
year filming a documentary.
Right Before that, the BBC has run several
pieces and featured my research.

(01:39:32):
Svt Sweden, sky News Australia several
major international media outlets have
already gotten onto this and all of them
are saying Satanism right.
So when I talked to my BBC contact, I
remember one time I read his article and I
said man, I'm just so happy that you guys
will just openly call it Satanism.
And he says well, us media doesn't do that
and I said no, and he's like that's weird.
And I'm like it is weird, isn't it To the

(01:39:53):
BBC or to the UK?
They're like, yeah, obviously it's Satanism.
So you know, it's definitely a uniquely
American thing to avoid that term and to
try to try to like get everyone to move
away from that and to almost like it's,
almost like they're trying to protect the
Satanist label.

LARA (01:40:12):
Right the Satanist label right.
Very interesting because, strangely enough,
when I was a young newspaper journalist in
South Africa I must've been 19, 20,
something like that I did an investigation
into Satanism in South Africa and one of
the things I learned that's why, when I see

(01:40:33):
all the abuse of animals, one of the things
I I mean I sat with the colonel in charge
of the Occult Crimes Unit and went through
all his books and books and he'd been there
forever.
They called him Donker Yonker because his
name was Colonel Yonker and in he was
Afrikaans and in Afrikaans Donker is dark,
so they called him the Colonel of Darkness
because he'd been running the Occult Crimes
Unit forever.

(01:40:53):
And what did they do?
They raped cats, tortured animals to death,
skinned babies.
I mean I saw the photographs of all of this.
I climbed a stormwater drain in a bridge,
120 feet above a valley with nothing on
either side, and went into a satanic cell
inside this bridge.
And the colonel actually told me the guy

(01:41:14):
that took them there the first night, he
led them up there.
He walked.
I crawled, Okay, crawled, no, I was on my
belly clinging to the concrete.
It was hard and scary and he walked upright
120 feet below the floor of the valley, the
wind howling through there, yeah, and so
this stuff I know it's real because I

(01:41:36):
started investigating it 35 years ago.
35 years ago.

Becca (01:41:41):
Yeah, I have zero doubt in my mind that
it's real and if you've been paying
attention at all, it's really in your face.
I mean, it's not even like they're hiding
it, like there's some occult cells that are
very esoteric and hidden, like the ones
you're talking about, especially the ones
that are doing the abusing and all the
really evil stuff.

(01:42:02):
But Satanism is very much normalized in
American media, american culture, and it's
really.
You look around and it's everywhere.
It's in your face, everywhere.

LARA (01:42:09):
The music industry.
These people go crazy.
Miley Cyrus unrecognizable.

Becca (01:42:14):
And I'm not trying to be like that person
who's like oh you know, satanism, satanism,
I you know.
I understand that, like the 764 guys are
using satanic symbolism on a much more
superficial level Okay, like, just like
they adopt the swastikas on a superficial
level, right, but at the same time, there

(01:42:34):
are these dark forces and it goes back into
the nihilism and this idea that, like, you
teach these kids that they're their own God
and no one else matters and that society is
against them and there's no point, there's
nothing except for self-gratification.
That's a godless hedonistic, self-serving
existence.
And that's why these kids are seeking
notoriety, and that's why they're trying to
get there, because there's no other meaning

(01:42:55):
in life for them.
There's no other meaning.
So their only motivation for getting the
kids to do more and more sick stuff is
their own notoriety, their own building,
their God status in this group, and so it's
a very satanic concept, just by nature.

LARA (01:43:08):
So that's very interesting and of course,
the more evil you do, the greater the
reward.

Becca (01:43:12):
Yes.

LARA (01:43:16):
And I mean in their minds, I guess.
Yeah Well, thank you so much for being here
with us, thank you for all the work that
you're doing on this and for standing till.
I can honestly tell you that you know,
having covered mass shootings and Islamic
terrorism and all these things for years,
so many pieces fell together when I watched
your series and as I've been following your

(01:43:38):
work and I know how hard it is, so I'm you
know, and I know you've been accused of
being CIA and being accused of being a Fed
and you get accused of all of those things.

Becca (01:43:48):
I'm not that cool, I promise Just a normal
mom.

LARA (01:43:53):
Well, there's nothing normal about you.
Okay, let's be clear on that.
There's nothing normal about you, but
there's nothing normal about you.
Okay, let's be clear on that.
There's nothing normal about you, but
there's lots extraordinary about you and we
really appreciate what you're doing.
I know there'll be a lot of parents out
there and kids out there that this will
reach, and so I would just urge our
audience you know you find you on X at BX

(01:44:14):
right BX.

Becca (01:44:15):
Underscore on underscore X yeah.

LARA (01:44:17):
BX underscore.
On underscore X and on Substack.

Becca (01:44:21):
Yes, BX writes.

LARA (01:44:23):
BX writes on.

Becca (01:44:24):
Substack.
That's definitely the best place to follow
me.
It's definitely also the best place to
support my research.

LARA (01:44:31):
So people can subscribe to you that kind of
thing.

Becca (01:44:47):
They can subscribe to that kind of thing.
I don't, I don't.
There's nothing that really takes money.
It's just time, you know.
Yeah, but yeah, no, for sure I don't.
I am completely independent, I don't get
paid by anybody.
So, yeah, every little bit of support helps.
I make art in my free time.
People have been buying my art, which is
super neat.
I watched you making your art.

LARA (01:45:17):
It was kind of good the way you started out
with the, but you do the cosmic scenes
scenes right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so people can buy your
art online.
That's great, okay, so thank you so much
for watching.
Please like, share, subscribe.
Obviously, this is incredibly important for
people to know about this and to understand
the threat, and for us to demand a digital
bill of rights.
Right, the freedoms that we have need to be
protected online as much as in the real
world.
So that's something that everybody can get

(01:45:41):
behind if they choose.
So thank you and see you next time.

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