The Dead Man Switch: One On One with Shane Stevens | Episode 12 - Going Rogue with Lara Logan

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Shane (00:00):
All the researchers.
Everybody knew that my granddad had said
the only reason he stayed alive was because
he had these tapes and that if LBJ or
whoever else was involved had my granddad
killed, these tapes were going to be
released.
It's kind of fascinating how many people
died.
Not many people lived, except my granddad.
He lived until 2012.

Lara (00:31):
Welcome back to Going Rogue with Laura
Logan, and I have a fascinating guest this
week.
As everybody knows, jfk's assassination has
been the subject of much conspiracy and
speculation for decades, and with the
latest release of classified documents by
the Trump administration, it was kind of a

(00:52):
nothing burger.
In some ways right, because we didn't find
out a whole lot more.
Still, the theory of the lone gunman
learned a lot more about the workings of
the CIA, but we didn't really answer any of
the big questions such as was there more
than one shooter?
And was LBJ involved?

(01:13):
Lyndon Johnson, was he involved in the
assassination?
So my guest today is a gentleman by the
name of Shane Stevens.
Hello, shane.

Shane (01:22):
Thanks for having me, Laura.
Awesome place you have here.

Lara (01:25):
Well, thank you very much, we do our best.
You're my neighbor in Texas, living in
Austin but born in Abilene, Texas, and your
family goes all the way back right into the
mid-1800s.
Yeah, early settlers in Texas Clyde Texas,
right Clyde Texas and you were born in
Abilene, clyde, texas, right Clyde, texas,
and you were born in Abilene and you're

(01:45):
really here today because of your
grandfather, right yeah, billy.
Sol Estes.

Shane (01:52):
Estes, did I say it right?
Yeah, you did.

Lara (01:54):
With my South Africanisms.

Shane (01:56):
Yeah, you did.

Lara (01:57):
Yeah, who was for you and your family was
once one of the richest men in the state of
Texas, right, but, to quote, you became a
full guy for Lyndon Johnson, who was
involved in all kinds of things.
So I just think, you know, I met your wife
that's how I heard about you and I thought
it was so fascinating.

(02:17):
Here we are, right in the heart of the JFK
mystery or scandal, or whatever you want to
call it, and there are real people who have
little pieces of the truth, right, and you
and your family have been sitting on one of
those pieces for a long time.

Shane (02:35):
Yeah, since I think he started recording
stuff in the 60s and then this tape, I
believe, was recorded in the early 70s.

Lara (02:44):
So this tape.
By that we're jumping ahead a little bit,
so I want to just frame this for people.
So obviously there's been a lot of
speculation about whether Lyndon Johnson
was involved in JFK's death along with the
CIA with his assassination, and whether
John Wilkes Booth acted alone or not.

Shane (03:06):
Lee Harvey Oswald.

Lara (03:06):
Lee Harvey Oswald.

Shane (03:07):
Damn it.
I knew, as I said it, I was going to mess
that up.

Lara (03:10):
And whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone
or not, or whether there was a lone gunman.
That theory is really true.
I don't believe that for a second, but
that's a whole nother forensics
conversation that I've had many times in
the last few years.
But really you're here because your family,

(03:31):
your grandfather, left behind some tapes
that relate directly to the assassination.
One of those recordings you have actually.
You've been on Alex Jones, you've been on
Glenn Beck.

Shane (03:43):
Right.

Lara (03:43):
You've been talking about it lately.
Yes, and we're going to listen to Beck.

Shane (03:44):
You've been talking about it lately.

Lara (03:45):
Yes, and we're going to listen to that,
we're going to hear about that, but you
also have a few things that haven't been
shared.

Shane (03:53):
Yeah, there's a couple of old DVDs, and one
of them I think is just audio, which
frankly, I haven't listened to, and then
another one is one that I saw a long time
ago, and it's called the Guilty Men.
So I remember a gentleman from France
coming over and recording stuff with my
granddad, and I think my granddad was paid
some money so that way they did this
interview and it really helped to expose a

(04:15):
lot of this over in France, and so it's
kind of funny.
It took off over there, but here the media,
the news, all that they suppressed it, and
so we don't get to see as much here in the
US.
But now, with you and a lot of other
patriots pushing out and decentralizing the
media, finally Americans have a chance to
hear a lot of this.

Lara (04:35):
And for people who don't know you, you're a
Christian and a husband and a and a patriot
and a businessman.
I know you have a whole bunch of businesses.
Well, I know that you and your wife and
even your children at least one of your
children, your son right, did he do the
lemonade stand?

Shane (04:55):
Yeah, lemonade.

Lara (04:57):
And then hot chocolate Lemonade and hot
chocolate right.

Shane (04:59):
Depending on what the weather was like.

Lara (05:01):
And he was doing that for what?
So?

Shane (05:03):
he was raising money for the border wall,
and that started when he was seven years
old.
Yeah, and you can look him up.
So for the viewers, if you want to look him
up, it's sad to say this, but look up
Benton's hot chocolate stand, or little
Hitler is what the left named him.

Lara (05:18):
I remember that.

Shane (05:19):
Because they were saying that we're racist
because we were trying to support the
border wall back in.
You know that was probably 2017.
And they didn't get.
Now everybody knows about the human
trafficking, the sex trafficking, the drugs.

Lara (05:31):
Yes.

Shane (05:32):
It's kind of common knowledge.
But back then it was the whole bandwagon of
you're racist if you want a border wall.

Lara (05:37):
Yes, so you're an interesting family, to
say the least.
Okay, so from your point of view, that's
who your grandfather was.
If you look sort of in the I hate to say
the record of history, because you want
that record to be accurate and we don't
really know.

(05:58):
But he has been slandered as a fraudster.

Shane (06:02):
Yeah.

Lara (06:02):
Right.

Shane (06:03):
Yeah, so I think it's Rules for Radicals by
Saul Alinsky.
In it it talks about how you go about
character assassination and how to defame
somebody and how to attack them and go
after them.
And they still do that today, Whether you
look at the January Sixers or you look at
Mike Lindell or different folks that have

(06:23):
stood up for what's right, they come after
them.
I mean all barrels of blazing.
So with my granddad he was really embroiled
in a battle between LBJ and JFK or the
Kennedys and LBJ, and they were trying to
get to LBJ and so the easiest way to do
that was as cronies back here in Texas, and
so they went after my granddad and Bobby

(06:45):
Baker kind of at the same time.
But if it tells you anything, my granddad's
court case was the first ever televised
court case.
If you can go back to the early 60s it's
like holy cow, we're getting to watch a
court case live.
That has to do with the scandal and this
you know.
I think he was worth 400 to 600 million in
the 60s, so it'd be certainly a billionaire

(07:07):
in today's terms.

Lara (07:08):
Wow, that's a lot of money Watching him go
on trial and-.
Makes me think of Monica Lewinsky.
Yeah, right, yeah, they wanted everybody to
see it, oh yeah.
So what was he on trial for?

Shane (07:21):
They came after him for a few things.
One was selling non-existent anhydrous
ammonia storage fertilizer tanks, which
basically is taking deposits on sales to
get credit to kind of continue to build,
and fund.

Lara (07:34):
But they said he was selling something he
didn't have.

Shane (07:36):
Right.
And then the other one I think may have had
to do with grain storage contracts, to
where him and Lyndon were involved in a
deal of.
Lyndon had apparently told my granddad if
he would get a certain governor elected
into office here in the state of Texas,
john Conley, then he would get all of the
grain storage contracts he wanted.

(07:58):
And so you know the back and forth pay for
play.
I think my granddad said that he gave
Lyndon $10 million over the years, so a lot
of money, and I think Lyndon used a lot of
that to pay other people off.
But perhaps when Lyndon retired from office
I think he was worth $25 million in the 70s,
so a lot of money.

Lara (08:18):
Sounds familiar, kind of like Nancy Pelosi.

Shane (08:21):
Oh yeah, Nancy and Paul are doing well.
Yeah, they're doing well Pelosi.

Lara (08:24):
Oh yeah, nancy and Paul are doing well.

Shane (08:26):
Yeah, they're doing well, they're so gifted.

Lara (08:27):
They just have this incredible talent for
the markets.

Shane (08:29):
It's incredible.

Lara (08:30):
It's amazing.
Yeah, they're timing Impeccable.
Well, I guess you know it's so interesting
to me because we're sitting right, not far.
What are we?
30, 40 minutes away from Johnson City,
where Lyndon Johnson was born?
I've been past the house.
You know you can go and people can go and
see it.
Ladybug Johnson Park is up the road here

(08:50):
and the Johnson Golf Course actually is one
of the best municipal golf courses in the
country.
So and here I mean you're a Texan, you know.
I mean everybody knows that here it's sort
of common knowledge that Lyndon Johnson
stole his way into office, right?
Maybe that's reflected in the fact that he
really wasn't a popular figure.

(09:11):
He's not remembered kindly.

Shane (09:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Anytime you start to research Lyndon, you
start to come across fraud schemes,
scandals, kind of Assassinations, poor
character assassinations Prior to JFK
actually.
Yeah, yeah, he had a hitman that went
around with him, malcolm Wallace, and
actually after I released the tape the
first time his family reached out to me

(09:35):
Malcolm Wallace, the hitman's family and
they're like hey, just so you know, your
story aligns like your family secrets align
with our family secrets.
Okay, so what is the?
You know your story aligns like your family
secrets align with our family secrets.

Lara (09:45):
Okay, so what is the family secret then?
What is, what is?
Is it a hypothesis?
What is it that you think is revealed to
you through your grandfather's story and
his recordings that people don't know?

Shane (09:56):
Yeah.
So the more I've looked into it, the easier
it is to really discern what happened.
And a lot of it can be this this tape can
be kind of a foundational starting point
for that.
So if you start to look into Billy Solestis,
clifton C Carter, then you look into Bill
Decker I think it's WO Bankston, all these
names that are mentioned on this tape and

(10:17):
you start to kind of link together who's
who.
And then Madeline Brown was a household
name that was LBJ's mistress, so, and then
Madeline Brown was a household name that
was LBJ's mistress.
So you start to pull together all of these
stories and they all match and it's like
there's no way all these different people
talking at different times about the same
thing, but their stories align and point to
LBJ, cia, to some degree the FBI.

Lara (10:40):
And yet what was disappointing is that none
of this was confirmed in the newly
declassified JFK documents.

Shane (10:48):
Right, yeah, I've been asked a lot before
they released the documents of well, you
know, what do you think is going to be in
there?
Do you think that we're going to find it?
And it's all going to be there.
And I was like you know, I've got a 20%
chance that maybe folks were narcissistic
enough to say I really want to tell this
story.
And so.
I'm going to leave this for somebody to
find way down the road.

(11:09):
But the experts on this whole subject, they
say that there's been approximately a
hundred murders.
To help keep this covered up, you don't go
around killing a hundred people and then
have a big file box that tells everybody
how it works.
I mean, I'm not a presidential assassin or
a murderer, but I just, I don't think you
do that.

Lara (11:29):
No, I don't think you do that.

Shane (11:31):
No.

Lara (11:32):
It's kind of like you know, when you see it
in the movies, they always say take care of
it.
They don't say kill him you know, what I
mean, Because they want to be able to say
well, when I said take care of it, I didn't
mean kill him.

Shane (11:44):
Well, yeah, and I mean they talk about Jack
Ruby, jakob Rubenstein.
He's a known affiliate of the mob, and
mobsters don't go around.
They're like, hey, be sure, and document
what you did.

Lara (11:55):
Oh yes, don't, we need meticulous records
Use the notepad.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
And that way we can hold on to that.
Those are Dictators.
There's a dictator like Saddam Hussein.

Lara (12:03):
Right, well, okay, let's listen to this and
hear who's on this.

Shane (12:08):
So it'll start out with my granddad talking
and, if you want, I can kind of pause and
catch you all up to speed every 30 seconds
or something.
But what's important, all the researchers,
everybody knew that my granddad had said
the only reason he stayed alive was because
he had these tapes and that if LBJ or

(12:32):
whoever else was involved had my granddad
killed, these tapes were going to be
released.
I didn't really research the amount of
deaths in the late 60s and early 70s until
probably a few weeks ago.
It's kind of fascinating how many people
died.
Not many people lived, except my granddad.
He lived until 2012.
So it's fascinating.
And most of people died, not many people
lived, except my granddad.

Lara (12:49):
He lived till 2012.
So it's fascinating, and most of them were
died of heart attacks and died of natural
causes.

Shane (12:54):
Oh yeah, your grandfather did.
Yeah, yeah, he died of natural causes.
But he's talking, and this is what's
fascinating with Clifton C Carter.
So you can research Cliff Carter and that's
where it gets interesting, because Cliff
was a direct, tight, close LBJ affiliate
for 30 years, I mean starting, I think,
back in the 30s, and then he went off to

(13:16):
war, fought in World War II, came back,
served with LBJ all the way up and I mean
he was his right-hand man, as close as I
mean he was like what Elon is to Trump
right now, that's Cliff Carter to LBJ.
So you basically have that level of
closeness of the largest donor.

Lara (13:34):
And then the closest, which was your
grandfather.

Shane (13:37):
Right, yeah, or one of the largest and one
of the closest allies or affiliates, both
talking about the same thing, very calm.

Lara (13:45):
And they're talking to each other on this
recording.
That's what we have here, right, and this
recording was made when.

Shane (13:52):
I believe it was 1972.
So it was in a short timeframe, because in
that same year my granddad was released
from prison.
I remember picking him up and that was out
in Big Springs, Texas, where we picked him
up.

Lara (14:06):
How old were you?

Shane (14:07):
I think six, and I remember I was on the
front page of the Abilene Reporter News,
which I thought was cool, until I realized
having a granddad that just got out of
prison was not cool to the kids at school
and their parents.
So, you know it changed, but either way I'm
still proud of it.
It changed, but either way I'm still proud
of it, of him getting out.
And the history, the older I get, the more
I see what happened and understand it

(14:28):
differently now, but it was embarrassing at
the time.

Lara (14:32):
So this conversation was taking place right
after he got released from prison.

Shane (14:36):
And then Cliff Carter died.
I believe it was, say October of 1972.
And I've got a lot of dates in my head so
it could be 73, 71, I think it's 72.
And and I've got a lot of dates in my head,
so it could be 73, 71, I think it's 72.
And so it was within maybe a six month time
span.
And then the history I'd always heard is
supposedly Cliff Carter died like three
days after this recording was done.

(14:57):
Don't know if that's true, no way to know,
but that's what was always told.

Lara (15:02):
And were they just catching up?
Is that what happened?

Shane (15:06):
So I found some documents.
A gentleman sent them to me from up north,
a JFK researcher and it basically said that
Cliff was worried for his life just like my
granddad was for his, and that he was
knowledgeable about my granddad recording
stuff.
And so apparently before the assassination
and all the way up to 1970, right before

(15:28):
Cliff died they had recorded this, just
kind of giving a little recap of how things
are going with LBJ and Almost like a dead
man switch.
Dead man switch, I think, is the exact word
or term.

Lara (15:41):
Okay, let's hear it All right, let's hear
it.

BIllie Sol Estes (15:47):
It's sure good to see you.
How's life treating you today?

Cliff (15:50):
Well, Saul, it's been a pretty touch-and-go
situation.
Lyndon and I have had quite a few
unpleasant words here lately over the deal
that he hired Mike Wallace to assassinate
the president.
It's been hectic in every way but we've

(16:12):
lived through it this far and I guess we'll
continue to do so.
Lyndon should have never issued that order
to Mike.
But we've had our differences and I'm a
true blue to Lyndon, as I've always been
and tried to carry out every order that he
never given me.

(16:40):
But this is one I'll probably never be had
in Texas and the embarrassment that Lyndon
had gotten from Kennedy.
I guess there wasn't anything else to do
but what he did.

Well, you know, Lyndon could have really
helped me if he would.

Cliff (17:03):
Well, Lyndon's the kind of person that
doesn't want to help anyone.

Lara (17:07):
That's mostly Cliff talking, and then your
grandfather interjects right.

Shane (17:10):
You got it.
So mostly Cliff, and he had finished up
serving as the executive director of the
DNC at the time.
This really isn't a political issue.
We should all seek the truth, right, but he
was involved in the DNC and those circles
as well.

Lara (17:26):
Isn't that kind of odd?
I mean, in a way, because he's head of the
DNC, the Democratic National Committee, and
what I suppose it's old Texas Democrats,
right, that's a different thing in that
time.

Shane (17:37):
It was a solid South.
So it's almost like the Democrats then are
the Republicans.
Now it's kind of switched as far as the
values and how all of that works, but a lot
of folks don't really get that.
So it's important to note.
What he was saying is the embarrassment
that LBJ had suffered at the hands of the
Kennedys.

Lara (17:57):
What did he mean by that?

Shane (17:59):
So the Kennedys were trying to get LBJ out
and off the ticket because they were going
to run again or JFK was.
They wanted him, lbj, out of office.
They knew that he was into fraud and
schemes and kickbacks.
The Henry Marshall scandal was raging at

(18:20):
the time as far as these agricultural
cotton allotments that was another thing my
granddad was involved in.
So he's basically saying well, I don't
think LBJ had another choice.
I feel like we had to kill him.
So that's kind of where they're at.
And he did very specifically say Lyndon
should have never given that order to Mack.

(18:41):
So Malcolm Wallace is the hit man.
Yes, so you can look him up Mack Wallace,
malcolm Wallace, mike Wallace a lot of
documented history there.

Lara (18:51):
Those are all his different names.
Yeah, yeah, right, and he actually served
time for murder.

Shane (18:57):
He actually no.
So he killed Doug Kinzer who was a I think
he was a golf pro in Austin, walked in,
shot him cold blood and it was over
something to do with LBJ's sister, josefa,
and them having too much information on LBJ
and Josefa drinking and whatnot.

(19:19):
But he ended up having Mac kill Doug and
then he was sentenced to five years but LBJ
had him pulled out and he never served any
time for it.

Lara (19:30):
Was there one before that where he served
some time.
They didn't even say who he killed, but I
read in a couple places that he had spent
some time in prison for murder.
But that could be wrong.

Shane (19:40):
Maybe he did.
I'll have to research.

Lara (19:43):
Well, okay, so that's kind of, you know,
amazing here the way cliff is just like.
Well, I guess he had to give that order.
It's a real shame, but I guess he didn't
have a choice.
Yeah, no, it's like just sitting here
chatting like us well, yeah, we just had to
kill president but I do notice that he he
goes out of his way to say I remain loyal
to lyndon, as I've always been see.

Shane (20:05):
All right, you picked up on that.
Yeah, both my granddad and Cliff throughout
it.
Like you know, I'm true blue, like I've
always been they were still scared to death
of Lyndon.
They wanted to make it known that we're
loyal to the cause, we're loyal to the
Democrats, we're loyal to Lyndon, so that

(20:26):
nothing's changed there.

Lara (20:27):
But we're going to clearly, openly talk
about this whole deal with assassinating
JFK.
Okay, let's hear some more.

Cliff (20:31):
He's all for Lyndon and that's the way he's
pretty much always been.

Well, they had me backed up on that Henry
Marshall killing and they just kind of
blackmailed me to keep my mouth shut.
And if I hadn't had a bunch of tapes that I
played after I got killed you know, 17 got
killed- in this situation very mysteriously
17 got killed in this situation very

(20:57):
mysteriously.

Shane (20:58):
I'd always heard it as 13 got killed.

Lara (21:00):
Yeah, that's your grandfather there.

Shane (21:03):
But my granddad's saying 17.
And so he tried to come clean with some of
this in the mid-80s but they wouldn't give
him immunity.
The DA in El Paso just kept shutting it
down.
So he was trying to release on, say, henry
Marshall.
He was the head or one of the higher-ups in
the Department of Agriculture and he was
over the cotton allotments and so he had

(21:23):
kind of caught on-ups in the Department of
Agriculture and he was over the cotton
allotments and so he had kind of caught on
to what my granddad was doing, essentially
kind of buying cotton allotments.
But it was through this really kind of
fascinating strategic setup of how he was
doing it.
It was legal at one point but then they
kind of changed the legality of it.
Well, henry Marshall they're saying that

(21:44):
Malcolm Wallace went out and killed Henry
Marshall.
Now it was ruled a suicide.
But he was shot five times in the chest
with a long rifle, had a contusion on his
head and he also had carbon monoxide
poisoning.
So he was really tough at killing himself.
But my granddad went on record saying that

(22:05):
he didn't kill himself, got that overturned,
his widow was able to get life insurance
money for it, and so he kind of helped
restore a little bit of-.

Lara (22:13):
And that was in the 80s.

Shane (22:14):
Yes.

Lara (22:16):
Wow, that's really interesting.
I mean he says they blackmailed him to keep
his mouth shut.

Shane (22:23):
Yeah, and I don't know what he meant there,
but I mean I'm assuming it's like we're
going to hurt your family or we're going to
come after you.
He said Lyndon really could help me if he
would.
And Lyndon never pardoned him, never did
anything to get him off of the fines.

(22:43):
But really I mean they had taken all my
granddad's wealth.
So I don't think my granddad was abused to
Lyndon.
Lyndon knew my granddad had these tapes and
he was like they're making him look crazy.
As all, get out.
That's probably better for me anyways.

Lara (22:56):
Well, yeah, he doesn't have to.
You know, worry about killing him and
having to deal with that because he's
discredited.
Right, he's the fraudster, so everything he
says is a lie.

Shane (23:04):
Exactly yeah.

Lara (23:07):
Well, let's hear some more.

And I've done a lot of time and I've lost a
lot of money.
It hurt my family a whole lot and it's
really got me disgusted with Lyndon In one
way.
In one way I feel real with Lyndon in one
way and one way I feel real sorry for him.

(23:31):
But I really feel like that in Lyndon's
heart he felt like that he was doing the
right thing.
He felt like that he was a savior of the
common man.
I feel like that in his heart he wanted to
help people that had not.
But I don't believe that anything.
My church, right the background, would have

(23:52):
never let me thanking all the killing that
he has done.
What do you think about it?
Do you really believe that it could have
been handled anyway without killing all
these people and got rid of the candidates?

(24:13):
You think he won the election against him?

Cliff (24:16):
Well, I don't really believe so.
He tried desperately to do just that and
there didn't seem to be any other way.
I know that he regrets a lot of things that
he has done, but still, it's been a battle

(24:36):
from day one.

Well, darrell, I sure do appreciate all the
things that you've done for us and I
appreciate the trust that you've had in
time for a longtime friend.

Shane (24:51):
All right, so Darrell, that's my uncle,
darrell Bright oh.

Lara (24:55):
So your uncle and your grandfather on this
call.

Shane (24:58):
Mm-hmm, wow, and it was actually.
Supposedly it was in person, according to
my uncle Darrell.
Supposedly it was in person, according to
my Uncle Daryl They'd gone out, I think 30
miles outside of Abilene and recorded it in
some old farmhouse or something along those
lines and Daryl at one point had been
married to my Aunt Jan and he may still
have been at that time, but they had a

(25:18):
daughter, star, and legitimately Star,
bright and she was like a sister to me.
She passed away several years back, but at
the time Daryl they're talking about, he
had started to get dementia in like 2015,
16, 17, somewhere in there.
So he called Star and said hey, I've held

(25:40):
onto this tape forever.
And Saul always told me I know what to do
with it.
I'm getting dementia Saul's passed away.
I know what to do with it.
I'm getting dementia Saul's passed away.
I don't want to just throw it away.
So I want you to take it.
And she's like I don't want it.
And so my brother, Clay, went and picked it
up in Abilene, brought it back to me and
then I kind of we had them convert it over
to digital media and we're like, oh my God,

(26:01):
this is nuts.
Like what are the odds of us being maybe
what one out of like 100 people in the US
that really basically know what happened?
And so we held on to them until whatever.
It was January when I finally released it
and I just felt it was kind of the right
time.

Lara (26:21):
How long did you hold on to it for?

Shane (26:23):
Probably about eight to 10 years.

Lara (26:25):
But you listened to it straight away.

Shane (26:28):
Yeah, as soon as we got it, I had them
taken over and I didn't know what was on it.

Lara (26:32):
Yeah.

Shane (26:32):
But we sent it over to these folks that
convert old media, like old VCR tapes or
whatever, to digital media and my assistant
took it over there.
Within a day they called and they were
furious Like you should have had us sign
documents.
Y'all need to sign an NDA that you're not
going to say who did these tapes.

(26:53):
And that's when I knew I was like there's
some good stuff on here, because everybody
was panicking.
Yeah.

Lara (26:59):
It's kind of like the guy that got Hunter
Biden's laptop.

Shane (27:02):
Yeah, exactly.

Lara (27:03):
Get this away from me.
I don't want it.
Don't kill me.

Shane (27:09):
Exactly.

Lara (27:09):
Right, okay, so why is your grandfather
bringing in Daryl there into the
conversation?

Shane (27:16):
I guess Daryl maybe had driven my granddad
out there, or maybe he was the one that had
the little recording device or something
along those lines.
I really am not sure.
I don't know that.

Lara (27:27):
We don't know that part of the story I
don't know how much is left here, but let's
finish it sorry that I've embarrassed all
my friends.

You put all my friends through this.
Oh, you didn't embarrass me and what I was
really afraid of my brother Bob that got
killed.
Our plane was down at Bryan the day that
Mike Wallace killed Henry Marshall and I

(27:56):
was afraid it was going to tie him into the
thing and we couldn't afford to.
In fact, pam started to write a book and
she really got scared when she got in the
thing.
It was just too scary a deal, but anyhow,
this too will pass.

(28:18):
Well, it's been a long, long old journey.
What do you think about FO Bankston?

Cliff (28:26):
Well, FO is a great leader and he's been
probably one of the best things that ever
happened in Dallas, Texas.
Of course he's got a lot of real good
friends and Lyndon's been one of his true
buddies for many, many years, and anything
that he just has to have, WO will see that

(28:47):
it's done.

Well, I just can't believe that FO Bankston
has the power over the police department
that he has.
You know, he buys every year of the sheriff,
buys him a brand new car, build ecker, and
I just don't see how politically that he
can get with it.

(29:12):
But nobody will ever understand.
In, really, in the early years I felt that
linden really had a mission from a higher
power, whom I've accused to call God, to
carry out a lot of things for the common
people and I really believe in his heart
that he thought that he was destined to

(29:33):
rule people.
How do you size up Lyndon Clipp after all
these years?

Cliff (29:40):
of.
Well, actually, lyndon's just been kind of
going downhill health-wise,
politically-wise.
He's just wore out and I feel like he's
come to his end of his rope.
But all these things that's been eating on

(30:02):
him for all these years have just now taken
his course and I feel like Lyndon's done a
lot of good things in life and he's done a
lot of bad things.

For a cliff.
I hate to see you sit down trotting and so
discouraged, and I just hope that you can
get a hold of yourself and not be so tore
up.
But anyhow, let's go in the house and let's
have a cup of coffee and something to eat.
Okay, sounds good to me.

Cliff (30:39):
Saul Okay.

Lara (30:41):
So when he says, there, let's go into the
house, where were they?

Shane (30:44):
I think it's some little farmhouse outside
of Abilene, according to my Uncle, daryl.

Lara (30:50):
But they weren't in the farmhouse, they
were recording it in the barn or somewhere
else.

Shane (30:55):
Yeah, maybe they were out in the barn
outside of the house or something like that.

Lara (30:58):
What were they using to record that?

Shane (31:00):
Well, so it was on one of those little mini
cassettes.
It's like a Panasonic mini cassette.
Yes, and one of the experts, a guy named
Dory, he says he's like, well, it could be
a copy of it or it could be the original,
but chances are.
what happened is my granddad took that and
made multiple copies of it and handed them
out to multiple people, because there's

(31:22):
another lady that supposedly has a tape or
tapes as well, and I'm curious if it's the
same tapes that my uncle Daryl had or if
they're different.
But apparently I think, if I recall, it's
like six or 12 people that he had given
tapes to to hold and as the dead men switch
or trigger.

Lara (31:42):
Yeah, Keeping that in case something
happened to him.
Okay, so it was interesting there the way
your grandfather said to him.
You know, I hate to see you so discouraged
and so down.

Shane (31:57):
Right.

Lara (31:57):
You don't know what he was talking about
there.

Shane (32:00):
Well.
So he supposedly died I think it was of a
heart attack in DC not too long after that,
allegedly three days later.
But you know, clearly he wasn't in good
health.
I know at the time Alex Jones actually
filled me in on this that LBJ was like
smoking pot He'd grown his hair out.
He was kind of like losing his mind a
little bit, little bit.

(32:26):
And so I think you start to look at these
people that were involved in the
assassination.
I think, especially after they got out of
power, it probably took a toll on their
health of like nobody's here to protect us.
I don't have the power and authority to
control all this anymore, you know, and I
think guilt and remorse has to kick in at a
certain point, because I mean, it's not
like they just killed a president.
You know, they stole a father, they stole a

(32:47):
husband, they stole a brother, like they
really messed up that family to some degree.

Lara (32:55):
Well, I mean, and you know, if all of this
is true, jfk wasn't the only person that
LBJ had killed.
So he says in there that it's all these
things Lyndon's done are eating on him.
Yeah, you know, which is a great way to put
it really?
Yeah, my mother would say there's a price
for everything.
And you know, no one gets off scot-free.

(33:18):
So at some point, right those demons.

Shane (33:22):
Yeah, they start to take hold and then you
have to try and fight it and there's really
nothing you can do.
I mean you can repent.
I guess God can forgive it, but it doesn't
mean that you, as yourself, are going to
forgive because you know what you did.

Lara (33:34):
So were you close to your grandfather.
Is it strange for you to hear his voice on
these recordings?

Shane (33:41):
You know, I was close to him.
I never really mourned too much his loss or
anything and it's just because it was, I
don't know, like I didn't know if I should
believe him or not and I thought maybe he
was making some of this up and that he
didn't take the fall for LBJ and that he
was worse of a person than like he let on.

(34:02):
And he wasn't perfect by any means.
He was absolutely involved in pay for play
and some pretty tactful strategic finance
operations and whatnot.
But comparatively, what he did then is so
minuscule and so it really has kind of
changed my mindset of just being involved
in this and having to prepare for these and
researching and researching the names on

(34:24):
the tape.
If you start to look up WO Bankston and
Bill Decker and the history of those guys,
like it's fascinating.

Lara (34:32):
So who was WO Bankston then?

Shane (34:34):
He became one of the largest car dealers in,
like, the Dallas area and that's the one
that he was saying well, he buys Bill
Decker a car every year.
Yes, the sheriff, the sheriff.
So you look back and it's like, well, do
those guys know each other?
And yeah, sure enough, sheriff Decker, he
found WO Bankston coming into town on a

(34:54):
freight car or something like that in the
30s and he was going to kick him out of
town.
And then Bankston was like no, no, no, I've
got a job.
He was lying, but.
And Bankston was like no, no, no, I've got
a job.
He was lying.
But either way, he took him.
Bill Decker took him under his wing and,
sure enough, he became the head of, like,
the Texas group that approved car

(35:14):
dealerships or rejected them, so that way
he could control that, so he had a lot of
power.
Yeah, and then Bill Decker.
I'm like why is that name on this tape?
Who cares?
He led the motorcade in the Kennedy
assassination.
He was in the front car and then his office
helped immediately investigate it, arrested.

(35:36):
Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in
transporting him when Jack Ruby shot him.
So I think he's trying to tell us something
there.

Lara (35:47):
Yes, by bringing his name into it right,
sort of pointing you in that direction,
yeah, interesting.
Well, so you played this on a couple of
other shows and it got a lot of attention,
but you found some other things that
haven't been heard as widely right.

Shane (36:07):
Yeah, so it was in France, a gentleman from
France.
He came over and he recorded a lot of this,
did some investigation, talked to
fingerprint experts, went and looked at
graves, did some research and then he took
that back to France and played it there.

(36:28):
It couldn't be aired here in the US because
Jack Valente was still the head of the
Motion Picture Association at the time and
part of his appointment and job was to make
sure nothing bad about LBJ would ever come
out.

Lara (36:35):
How do you know that?

Shane (36:37):
And just that's kind of what we'd been told,
historically speaking.
And then if you look at the movie JFK that
Oliver Stone put out, he was like I will
never do another movie on JFK again because
they gave him such a hard time about just
what he had put in there and he didn't have
the depth of this.

Lara (36:55):
So the LBJ mafia lived on beyond his death.

Shane (36:58):
Oh yeah, he put a lot of really cool stuff
in place that would kind of help control
the narrative of you know, he had somebody
that's over the media you know the news.
And then somebody over the Motion Picture
Association.
He set up the National Public Radio and all
this and funded that to where the radio
waves could kind of— so it's his fault.

Lara (37:18):
we have NPR, yeah, exactly.
There's another reason to be mad at LBJ.

Shane (37:23):
I know it was add to the list killing
Kennedy wasn't enough.

Lara (37:28):
He gave us NPR to torture us for the you
know, for decades, for generations
afterwards yeah, they haven't reached out
to me for an interview on this subject.
Really, I'm shocked, I'm crazy well, okay,
so let's, maybe we can see a little bit of
this.
Uh, what's the movie called the documentary?

Shane (37:46):
guilty men the guilty documentary and we
probably have to give credit to who
produced it or something like that.
I just don't know his name or enough detail.

Video (37:53):
I just have an old dvd of it, but I know,
as attorney for lyndon johnson, that he
murdered john kennedy, murdered, murdered
John Kennedy to become president and to
avoid prison.
And there is no doubt in my mind.
You can't kill the president of the United
States unless the next president, the head
of the FBI and the head of the Secret

(38:15):
Service are in.
On the cover up In 1948, when he was
running for the Senate and he was running
against a man named Coke Stevenson, and the
election was very, very close.
A very small number of votes, which forced
a recount and once they did the recount
they found out a 201 vote error in a little
place called Alice, texas, and eventually

(38:37):
they found out that the 201 votes had been
added One for Stevenson, 200 for LBJ.
As a result, he won by 87 votes and he was
nicknamed Landslide Lyndon.
But the real name, the name used in the
back wards that didn't appear in the
newspapers, was Lyon Lyndon, and that stuck
with him the rest of his life.

(38:59):
That rigged ballot became the template for
a political career based on bribery and
corruption.
The full extent of Johnson's criminal
activity only began to unravel 11 years
after his death In 1984, at this courthouse
in Franklin Texas, a former Johnson
business associate, billy Celestes,
appeared before a grand jury.

(39:20):
According to Billy Celestes, that'sestis,
there were eight murders perpetrated on the
part of Lyndon Johnson.
The first name was a man named Douglas
Kinza.
That was followed by a number of men
involved in Estes' businesses who were
corrupt, and they were all killed with
carbon monoxide.
Josefa Johnson's name is listed on this

(39:42):
Justice Department document.
That's Lyndon Johnson's sister.
So Estes is accusing the Vice President of
the United States of murdering his own
sister, and the eighth name listed is the
President of the United States, john F
Kennedy.
Wow.
And then there is a promise of knowing more,
and if Billy Celestes is telling the truth
and there is every reason to believe he is
it gives you an idea of the depth of the

(40:04):
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So did your grandfather.
Did he talk to you about any of this?

Shane (41:57):
No.
So it's funny like you could hear his voice
on there on the recording earlier how he
talked, and it's kind of this high-pitched
noise.
I mean.
I remember it like yesterday Because as we
got older we were like we ought to know,
like is this real or is he making it up?
Yeah.
And so I mean we had asked him, me and Clay
cousins like so, saul, seriously, do you

(42:21):
know who killed JFK?
Was LBJ behind it, please, like you can
trust us now.
And he'd be like well, grandson Mimi's
making some breakfast in there in the
kitchen if anybody's hungry, like he
wouldn't tell us anything.
And so Barr McClellan that's on there, I've
got his book in that little basket but it's
called Blood, money and Power.

(42:42):
So I learned so much from Barr after my
granddad passed away, because Barr made my
granddad a promise that he would work to
get him a pardon and get the truth out.
So Barr has literally sacrificed
financially his reputation, his name, to
get this out.
And he's the one that told me, because he

(43:03):
was one of the lawyers working in the group
that handled Lyndon's money, that when he
got out he was worth $25 million and he
knew because he was part of managing that.

Lara (43:13):
So he basically Byron McClellan, according
to the documentary gets a job at Clark's
law firm.
Clark was Johnson's Lyndon's lawyer, and so
he knew from the legal work that they did
how much Lyndon was worth when he left
office, right, yeah, he had up close and
personal visibility over all of that.

Shane (43:37):
And then he started talking about Ed Clark.
I've researched that gentleman, Fascinating,
mind-blowing.
I think it was Ed that owned not the book
repository but the building next door to it,
and one of the shooters was supposedly
shooting out of that building.
So you start to look at the ownership of
those buildings and that was tied to LBJ.

Lara (43:58):
Yeah, which is?

Shane (43:59):
But Ed Clark was known.
He supposedly bragged about being involved
in the assassination before he had passed
away.

Lara (44:07):
So what?
Just Wait, the question went out of my head
for a moment there.
Hold on, let me gather my thoughts, because
this was an important question.
Question um, oh yes.
So did anything come out on clark or any of

(44:28):
these people in the the jfk documents that
you've seen?

Shane (44:32):
I haven't seen anything about it.
I mean, I spent a little while starting to
research and go through I got real bored,
real quick Kind of like getting discovery
from the government.
Yeah, I was like I do not have time for
this 50 pages.

Lara (44:47):
You don't need.
Yeah so it's hard to find the three that
you do.

Shane (44:51):
Right, but I didn't see anything come out
about it at all in there, and so Glenn
Beck's team, they ran all those documents
through some AI platform to kind of help
decipher it all.

Lara (45:04):
Yes.

Shane (45:05):
And it'd be worth asking.
I'd be curious if I talked to them, but the
reality is the Warren Commission that
investigated it.
All the folks that they put on there I mean
JFK, fired Alan Dulles.

Lara (45:19):
And they put him on there and Charles.

Shane (45:21):
Cabell from the CIA and Alan Dulles was the
head of it.
So JFK's sworn enemy basically headed up
the investigation into it and there's a
recording you can look it up LBJ and J
Edgar Hoover talking like five days after

(45:42):
the assassination it's on YouTube Basically
figuring out who they're going to put on
the Warren Commission.
They stacked that whole thing to cover up
their own trail.

Lara (45:51):
Yeah Well, alan Dulles, he's something else.
He's the guy who protected the Nazis of
Ukraine from the Nuremberg trials and a
whole oh yeah.

Shane (46:02):
Oh, something goes deeper than this.

Lara (46:04):
Yeah, alan Dulles is.
Yeah, he's a very interesting person,
someone really worth taking a close look at.
Yeah, okay.
So what did you learn from this, watching
this documentary?
When was the first time you saw it?

Shane (46:25):
I probably watched this the first time,
maybe in 2013, 14, 15, somewhere in that
time frame, and the biggest thing I took
away from it which?
Was kind of mind-blowing was just later on
and Keith and I kind of looked at it
earlier, but it talks about the
fingerprints of Malcolm Wallace being found
in the book repository or book depository

(46:48):
in that room.
So one fingerprint that's a 36-point match.
I mean they say that's a home run in any
type of detective work and that was found
in the book depository.

Lara (47:01):
Which is the building where, they alleged,
the shot that killed JFK was fired from.

Shane (47:08):
Exactly.
So what was Malcolm Wallace doing there?
Lbj's hit man and you've got Lee Harvey
Oswald saying I'm a patsy.
I didn't do anything.
Bill Decker we already talked about him.
They're the ones that rounded him up and
arrested him.
Malcolm wallace there's several folks that
saw somebody that matched the description

(47:28):
of malcolm there that day, outside of the
book depository, and we know that he was
killing people for lyndon, so probably
makes sense that he would have had mac.
What else was he doing there?
Let's see that part.

video (47:41):
The fingerprint.
The fingerprint is the ultimate part of the
Mack Wallace story.
The FBI fingerprinted every Texas School
Book Depository employee, including women.
Employees who worked downstairs never
handled the boxes.
They fingerprinted every Dallas officer
that was in the sniper's nest so that they

(48:01):
could remove those fingerprints from
consideration.
At the end of the day, you have one
fingerprint remaining.
It sits in the National Archives for 35
years, until 1998.

Video (48:12):
Nathan Darby is one of the most experienced
fingerprint experts in the United States,
with 35 years service in the US military
and the city of Austin Police Department.

video (48:23):
I didn't know where it came from and a week
or ten days later I called the party that
had brought it over and said well, it's a
match.
The finger that made the ink print also
made the Leighton, and we called that a
match or identified, and there was no

(48:43):
question about it.
They matched.

Video (48:47):
Three years later, Nathan Darby readdressed
the same evidence and reconfirmed his
original findings.

video (48:53):
When he was done he had a 34-point match.
And when you mention that in criminal
circles to an investigator, how confident
would you feel with a 34-point match?
Oh, that's a slam dunk.
It can't miss.
It doesn't get any better than that.
You give me a 34-point match on any case in
the United States.
I'll take it to court and win the inked and

(49:15):
the latent print are made by the same
finger, and the other evidence that I've
been presented with was Malcolm Wallace's
left little finger.
Without a reasonable doubt.

Lara (49:31):
Of course the FBI said it didn't match.
I mean, these days, who believes the FBI?

Shane (49:35):
Nobody.

Lara (49:36):
Nobody.
But back then you know if the FBI said
something.
I mean.

Shane (49:40):
Yeah, we listened to doctors and the CIA,
the FBI, everybody back then.
Disney, disney, there you go.

Lara (49:46):
They said, we do family movies.

Shane (49:52):
We were like oh yeah, good to go.

Lara (49:52):
Yeah, right, yeah, we believed everybody.
Yeah, Cinderella story.
It's crazy.
So the whole thing here is that, according
to this documentary, finding that
fingerprint there finding Mack Wallace's
fingerprint would be a link to LBJ.
The other link would be who owning the
building next to that?

Shane (50:08):
Yeah, there's.
I think Ed Clark may have owned one of them.
There's another owner, in fact.

Lara (50:14):
Ed Clark, who was Lyndon's lawyer.

Shane (50:16):
Yes.
And then there was the one that owned the
school book depository.
He was a big hunter and he had elephants
and giraffes and rhinos whatever in his
trophy room.

Lara (50:29):
Yeah.

Shane (50:30):
He also had the frame.
This is supposedly I haven't confirmed this
by research, but I've heard it from a
couple of people the frame of the window
from the sixth floor that Malcolm Wallace
or Lee Harvey shot out of.
Yeah he had that put up in his trophy room.
So basically it's like a president was one

(50:51):
of his trophies.

Lara (50:53):
Okay, so well, yeah, that's interesting.
What is your theory?
After all this time and all the work that
you've done, what do you think happened?
So I mean it's interesting.
What is your theory?
After all this time and all the work that
you've done, what do you think happened?

Shane (51:05):
So I mean, it's easy, it's so easy.

The truth usually is yeah, yeah.

Shane (51:11):
I mean, if you listen to this whole thing,
listen to this tape, spend a little bit of
time looking up, say, the LBJ and J Edgar
Hoover conversation.
Listen to Madeline Brown's discussion hour
long with a gentleman named Kyle that's on
YouTube.
Madeline was LBJ's mistress and listen to

(51:34):
all the names.
Listen to all the people that were there at
Clint Murchison's house the night before
the assassination happened at a big party.
Lyndon came in.
Look at what happened with all of those
people and they just rose to massive levels
of power and wealth, got away with
everything, and it's a lot of names that
were mentioned here.

Lara (51:53):
And you can look up it's funny that you
mentioned Madeline Brown because,
interestingly, my husband's grandfather was
best friends with Lady Bird Johnson,
Lyndon's wife.

Shane (52:04):
Oh wow, she probably didn't like Madeline.

Lara (52:07):
She probably did not.
If she knew about Madeline, she probably
did not like her.
Yeah, but that's how crazy and kind of
recent and close.
All of this is right.
I mean, when you're in Texas, there's a lot
of living connections to this.

Shane (52:24):
Yeah, the amount of random things that have
happened of people I'm meeting.
They're like, oh, I knew this person or oh,
I'm attached to this person, and how it's
all happened.
It's kind of crazy.
It's like it's meant to be.

Lara (52:34):
Were you disappointed then?
I know you said that you were only
expecting a little bit from the documents
and that people don't really write any of
this down, but were you hoping for
something that could confirm what you
thought?

Shane (52:51):
Yeah, I mean I was hoping for a little bit
of cover fire on the deal, but now it's
kind of like I feel a little bit isolated
and alone out there.

Lara (52:59):
You're on the 50-yard line at the Super
Bowl and you're looking around and there's
just nobody.
Yeah, welcome to the club.
I was thinking that there'd be something
you get used to it, Shane.

Shane (53:08):
That would validate some of it.
But it's okay, it's whatever my journey is.
I felt like God said it was time to release
it, and I do want the American public to
know the truth.
It would be nice for history to set the
record straight on all of this.
It would be nice for somebody from LBJ's

(53:31):
camp or the CIA camp or FBI to come clean
on it.
But I truly believe, until they come clean
and we make changes to where they can't
come in and assassinate a president again,
that we don't have a real democracy.
It may feel like it.
We may think we're electing our presidents.
We did elect President Trump, but it took a
lot of people working really hard on the

(53:52):
election integrity side of things and
stopping the fraud.
But I don't think we've elected a whole lot
of presidents in the last 40, 50, 60 years.

Lara (54:01):
That they've been selected for us rather
than elected.
Yeah, and why do you say that?

Shane (54:07):
Well, I mean, if you look at how Lyndon got
into office, the Box 13 scandal, you look
at Trump Well and let's explain that Box 13
scandal is when they found 200 votes.

Lara (54:17):
They said in the documentary you know 201
votes, but it's written that it's 202 votes,
200 to Linden and he was in a runoff right
with.
Coke Stevenson, and that two votes went to
Coke and the other 200 went to him.

Shane (54:31):
Yeah, exactly Kind of disproportionate
there.

Lara (54:34):
Yeah, but does that sound a lot like
mail-in ballots?

Shane (54:37):
Exactly so.
Mail-in ballots.
Eric is the other thing I mean, I'm on the
board of this thing called Citizen AG and
so, collectively, Mike Yoder is the
attorney that was really the mastermind
behind it.
But we hosted an election integrity summit
and all these folks of Lindell's team, the
Citizen AG team, Moms for America, Sharona,

(54:59):
everybody kind of came in and I think that
crew collectively helped block four and a
half million illegal votes and so I think
there are other folks fighting it out there
as well.

Lara (55:10):
Well, doge has been finding a lot of that
evidence and I've been working with Joe
Hoft, jim Hoft's brother they're twins and
Joe was working with a team They've been
studying the election in Orange County and
he said one in five voters was either a
phantom voter Like there's no record of
them existing or a non-citizen.
You know, I mean, it's just, it's how many

(55:32):
other races when people are so focused on
the presidential election, it's.
It leaves the down ballot races fair game.

Shane (55:40):
Right, yeah, and there's so much more.
I mean, that's a whole other podcast, if
you're interested in doing it with Yoder,
but I'm fairly well convinced, after
spending a decent amount of time in
California and getting to know a lot of the
folks out there.
I think that it's a red state.

Lara (55:55):
There's a lot of people who feel that way.

Shane (55:57):
There are not nearly as many kind of
lunatics or whatever as they make it out to
be Sure it's hard to find anyone who likes
Gavin Newsom when you go to California,
right?

Lara (56:06):
Yet he won the recall with more than 60% of
the vote.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah explain that one, the assassination of
John F Kennedy.
Then what's your theory on who was really

(56:26):
behind it?
Because even if Mack Wallace was present
and they found his fingerprint in the
building, there are a number of ballistics
experts that I've spoken to over the years
who don't believe that the shot that killed
LBJ came from those buildings, that it
really came from the drain, the stormwater
drain, that it was a sniper, if you look at

(56:48):
the trajectory of the bullet Right and
there was a pulley system inside that drain
that he could have used, or that they
believe he used to get himself in and out.

Shane (56:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's.
I mean at this point anybody that still
believes the lone gunman theory and Lee
Harvey Oswald.
You're just misinformed and you're not
trying at all.

Lara (57:10):
Kind of like the lone gunman theory, but of
Pennsylvania 100%.
Speak to anyone in ballistics and they
don't believe it.

Shane (57:18):
Yeah, it's just not the case, and they use
the same playbook on that one as well.

Lara (57:23):
Well, and the thing that kills me is the
way Jack Ruby assassinated him.
How convenient, yeah, how convenient.

Shane (57:32):
So another, if you go down this rabbit
trail of looking up, look up James Files'
interview, he's talking about coming down
part of the mob from Chicago and him being
one of the shooters behind the fence.
And we know that there was a shooter behind
the fence and so there were multiple shots,
different areas.
Everybody said it was behind the fence and

(57:54):
so he takes credit for it and the way his
story aligns with a lot of the facts.
I don't know the guy, I haven't talked to
him, but it seems very legitimate.
And Abraham Bolden.
He was the first ever African-American
black man that was assigned to a president
in the Secret Service.
Go on and listen to his interview about
what he heard between LBJ and the Kennedys

(58:14):
in the Oval Office and what he reported.
And then he went and spent time in prison
afterwards because LBJ wasn't having that
right.

Lara (58:23):
What did he say?
Do you remember?

Shane (58:25):
Yeah.
So I mean he remembers a battle in the Oval
Office.
So LBJ comes pulling up in a limo, gets out,
has you know, I think somebody with him
goes in.
It's Bobby Kennedy and JFK inside and it's
an explosive argument.
He hears, he thinks he hears, billy Solis

(58:47):
this is his name and something to the
effect of you, sons of bitches, keep effing
with me, you're going to find out type of
deal.
And so he reported that as a threat that he
felt the vice president had threatened the
lives of Bobby and JFK.
And a lot of people think, oh my gosh, this

(59:07):
tape just shows that it was just LBJ.
It was not LBJ.

Lara (59:11):
No.

Shane (59:11):
There was.
I'm convinced that there was CIA
involvement.
I don't see how there wasn't.
If you just start to look at Alan Dulles
being involved, charles Cabell him, his
brother was the mayor.
Earl Cabell was the mayor of Dallas at the
time.
They had plenty of incentives to cover it
up.

Lara (59:31):
What about Standard Oil.

Shane (59:33):
Who owns Standard Oil?

Lara (59:34):
The Bushes.

Shane (59:37):
Well, yeah, I mean you can go back even to
World War II and Bush being involved with
the banking system and funding supposedly
the Nazis and getting in trouble over that.

Lara (59:49):
And see if that leads you to Dallas, texas,
on that fateful day.

Shane (59:54):
Yeah, and I think folks that were involved
in the CIA shortly after that probably knew
as well, because they wanted to continue
the cover-up and that's where you have Bush
coming in.

Lara (01:00:04):
Well, there are folks that will tell you
that everything you're looking at is a long
intelligence operation, that the CIA has
been involved from the very beginning, and
they still are.

Shane (01:00:14):
And if you want to get to where and this is
where I think people probably still get in
trouble if they go too far down this path
and that's Executive Order 1110, which that
was signed in by JFK about six months
before he was assassinated and that had to
do with the US being able to issue

(01:00:34):
silver-backed notes, which was essentially
a way around the Federal Reserve, and the
Federal Reserve we don't really mess with,
like they make trillions of dollars and
that seems to be what gets people in
trouble.
And so if you look at actions I believe it
was on the airplane so Lyndon got sworn in

(01:00:58):
after the assassination and then one of his
first orders of business was to start to
unwind and sign documents to unwind
Executive Order 1110.
So basically saying no, the US cannot issue
silverback notes.

Lara (01:01:11):
We have to rely more heavily on the Federal
Reserve crazy if you were, for all these
years, sitting on evidence that the vice
president of the United States and his
cohorts were involved in the assassination
of JFK.

(01:01:33):
That'd be crazy.

Shane (01:01:34):
Yeah, it is crazy.
I think it feels crazy.

Lara (01:01:38):
What do the rest of your family think?

Shane (01:01:41):
They all think the same thing.
I believe Now the folks that are closer to
it just want it to be in the past, and I'm
a grandson.
But, the folks you know, the daughters, the
brothers.
You know that close-in family that had to
live with being wiretapped their whole life
and all that.
They're just like let it go, forget about
it.

(01:02:03):
But to me, I think the truth is more
important than that and I just don't think
people should get away with killing
presidents and there be no recourse, and
them have still the same power today that
they did back then, to where they're
unchecked what about your grandmother?

Lara (01:02:16):
did you get anything out of her?

Shane (01:02:19):
no, patsy was her name, sweetest lady, I I
mean absolute saint.
And Saul lived with us in Abilene for a
while because she was fed up with him at
times.

Lara (01:02:31):
So she sent him to live with you.

Shane (01:02:33):
Yeah, he lived with us for a while in
Abilene.
She lived in Brady in this really cool
house, has an atrium in it with banana
trees and palm trees.
My granddad had bought it for her parents,
but she was insane she never talked about
any of it, though.
I mean, she had to work three jobs and help

(01:02:53):
like literally sewed my mom and aunts and
uncles' clothes, because they took
everything.
They were completely broke.
Wow.
So she didn't like talking about it either.
She passed away a long time ago.
She passed away way before Saul did.

Lara (01:03:09):
And you said that there are a few other
people that have tapes.
Are you going to hunt them down?

Shane (01:03:16):
One of them.
I've got a guy on it trying to find them
and those would be his tapes.
He knows the lady, he knows the situation
and you know so he's interested.
He's like I may have to have you help me
talk to this lady and had another guy, a
Hispanic guy out of San Antonio, saying
that he has some tapes but he wanted me to
buy them from him.
And the more I researched it, the more and

(01:03:37):
more I felt like it probably may have been
like a little bit of a scam, but there's I
mean there's supposedly a lot more out
there and I've thought about doing like a
docu-series.
In fact, one of the folks that I've
mentioned earlier named he's interested in
helping be involved and fund that to try
and research it and go dig some of this

(01:03:58):
stuff up and find it, but then basically
take the viewers along on the journey of
like this is where we're going, let's see
what we find.

Lara (01:04:05):
It's amazing that, after all these years
and all the documents that have been
released now, I mean, I feel like we're not
even any closer to the truth, do you?

Shane (01:04:16):
Not really.
No, I mean, I don't know how much
information has to be released for, say,
the guilty parties to come clean and say,
all right, my bad, I did it and I don't
know that we'll ever get that.

Lara (01:04:32):
And a lot of them may be dead.

Shane (01:04:34):
A lot of them are dead.
There's still a few folks alive that were
around at that time, but we're at 60 years,
63 years now, so they're getting up in age,
but I think there's still folks out there
that know.

Lara (01:04:53):
And I mean expecting the CIA to tell on
itself is a little ridiculous.

Shane (01:04:58):
I know they're probably not going to do
that.
Huh, Probably not Ridiculous.
I know they're probably not going to do
that?

Lara (01:05:00):
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Luke's got a question.
What do you got a question.

Luke (01:08:00):
I have a question Are you all familiar with
the photograph called the Wink?

Shane (01:08:05):
I'm not.
This is the first I've heard of it.

Luke (01:08:07):
Okay, well, it's a famous photo that I've
known since hearing.
I was very interested.
Watched JFK assassination.
What was the movie?
Sorry, oliver Stone.
Oliver Stone JFK.

Lara (01:08:21):
I'm thinking, does he mean jfk?

Luke (01:08:23):
yeah, but you know lbj's involvement and
all that there.
There was this, this photo that has kind of
resurfaced since the files come out, called
the wink nickname.
The wink, but it's albert thomas, who was
rep back then, was also good friends with
him and it's upon his being sworn in three
or four hours after JFK's assassination on
Air Force One and he smiles back at Albert

(01:08:46):
Thomas and Thomas looks back and winks at
him and this photo was caught.

Lara (01:08:52):
So this is the photo of the wink.

Luke (01:08:54):
That is the wink and Jackie.
O is literally covered in the president's
blood, her husband's blood, and he smiles
at the other angle.

Lara (01:09:04):
Is that Lady Bird there next to London,
that's.

Shane (01:09:07):
Lady Bird yeah, very telling.
That's where you just have to start putting
together pieces just like that.
I need to document that on my little
timeline that I've put together of all this
stuff, because at some point I want to do
like a big wire diagram to show all of
these pieces that keep coming together what
you would call circumstantial evidence yeah,
and it's just so much that it's to me it's

(01:09:30):
adequate well, you know, I mean, I gotta
say when you look at it just from the
outside, you're like okay, so you know who
benefited the most.

BIllie Sol Estes (01:09:40):
Right, I mean, that's usually your killer.

Shane (01:09:43):
They all did.
I mean, you look at even the mafia.
So Joe Kennedy, he was involved in the mob
and he used his connections with his
buddies, like the Teamsters, the mob, to
get his sons in office, really to get JFK
in office.
But his promise was they wouldn't be going

(01:10:04):
after the mafia.
Well.
Joe had a stroke right after the election
and didn't get to pass along the message.
So Bobby Kennedy becomes USAG.
He starts going after white collar crime
and the mafia.
They're like who are you Like, do you
realize?
We just got you elected and now you're
coming after us.

(01:10:25):
So they kind of vowed that they were never
going to let him get away with that and
that it was never over.

Lara (01:10:30):
You know, what's interesting about your
story, shane, is that we talk about your
grandfather being smeared, you know, and
being the fall guy for LBJ, and you know,
in a way, that's kind of like cancel
culture today, right?
How has that affected you, as that's passed
down over the generations?

Shane (01:10:51):
One thing I will say I think we got judged
in Abilene a little bit for my granddad
living with us and probably some parents of
like no, no, no, y'all aren't going over to
the Stevens house type of deal.
But I'm honestly thankful for it because I
don't care who judges me.

(01:11:11):
I know my relationship with God.
I know who I'm gonna be judged by at the
end and it's really helped me in business.
Some people may say, well, you're a
narcissist, you don't care what people
think.
I mean I care, I'm not out to hurt anybody,
but I know people are going to judge me
based on things that are outside of my
control and that's their problem.
It's not mine.
So it's really hardened me to where I can

(01:11:34):
kind of deal with stress and pressure and
judgment in ways I think most people can't.

Lara (01:11:39):
Wow, that's really interesting.
It just shows the legacy, though, of what
we're living through, that these things
don't just go away, do they.

Shane (01:11:50):
No, I mean you see the ripple effects
through.
I've often wondered what would my mom and
aunts and uncles, what would their lives
have looked like, or my cousins, because I
mean you'd see ripple effects and then my
nieces and nephews, or whatever it'd be
second cousins, third cousins, and how
things have really changed for them as

(01:12:11):
compared to other families that were
involved in it and they were the aggressors
and how things worked out there.
But I don't think you know if there's
generational curses or whatever.
I don't think we have that going on in the
family.
I think we just have to turn it over to God.

Lara (01:12:29):
Well, the good thing is there are prayers
for that to break generational curses?
Yeah, yeah.
I have one I can share with you.
Probably good, Okay.
So my last question Do you think you will
ever know the truth in your lifetime?
Will you get the whole truth?
Will we get the whole truth?

Shane (01:12:49):
I don't think so.
I think we have to use our own discernment,
common sense, logic, deductive reasoning to
figure it out and just look at simply we
1000% know that the Warren Commission lied
and covered things up.
We 1000% know that the Warren Commission
lied and covered things up.
We 1,000% know that that one bullet wasn't
some magic bullet that weaved through him.

Lara (01:13:10):
Yeah, pinged around and did all kinds of
things.

Shane (01:13:13):
So we know they lied there and that to me
it's like, well, they probably lied in a
lot of other areas as well, and it's easy
to kind of see how they lied.
All of this I mean, my granddad was a
character.
Bring Cliff Carter in it, you got two
pretty reputable folks overall saying the
same thing, and then that's then validated
by the mistress, that's then validated by

(01:13:36):
Secret Service.
Even Jackie Kennedy's Secret Service guy
said that there were balls dropped and a
lot of things that usually happen did not
happen that day and I just think shoot
holes in it and prove it untrue.
But nobody's been able to do any of that
yet.
Nobody can prove this untrue yet.
The Warren Commission, all that has been

(01:13:57):
proven untrue.

Luke (01:13:58):
I think this is worth discussing because
we're looking at Doge and transparency in
government and we're seeing God reveal a
lot of things.
Shane, I believe we're living in a Luke 8,
17 moment, that everything that is hidden
is being revealed and we're having
revelations.
But, that being said, jfk made this famous

(01:14:20):
speech where he was talking about secret
societies and this cabal, if you will,
behind governments in the world that was
forming and he was trying to expose that
and that the CIA was involved in that.
And if we think going back, george Bush
said he didn't know where he was.
He doesn't remember where he was.

(01:14:40):
George is a senior, you know, said he
didn't know where he was.
He doesn't remember where he was.
George is a senior, doesn't recall where he
was on one of the most infamous days.

Lara (01:14:47):
Days when everybody in America recalls
where they were.

Luke (01:14:51):
My mother, who's here, remembers she was in
high school no, I was in fourth grade when
she was In Dallas.
Oh, wow, yeah, she was living in Highland
Park with a lot of people that may or may
not have been involved famous families but
George Bush says he doesn't remember or

(01:15:11):
recall.
But there's also this photo that has popped
up, whether it be true or not, that shows
him in Dallas that day, and we know his
attachment to the CIA.
And so if you put all that together and the
conspiracy behind killing an American
president, you know, and the secret
societies that may or may not have been
involved and someone was trying to expose

(01:15:33):
this, that was our sitting president let's
play this and then we'll get y'all's
reaction.

John F Kennedy (01:15:39):
Ladies and gentlemen, the very word secrecy
is repugnant in a free and open society and
we are, as a people, inherently and
historically opposed to secret societies,
to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.
We decided long ago that the dangers of

(01:16:00):
excessive and unwarranted concealment of
pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers
which are cited to justify it.
Even today, there is little value in
opposing the threat of a closed society by
imitating its arbitrary restrictions.
Even today, there is little value in

(01:16:21):
ensuring the survival of our nation if our
traditions do not survive with it.
And there is very grave danger that an
announced need for increased security will
be seized upon by those anxious to expand
its meaning to the very limits of official
censorship and concealment that I do not

(01:16:43):
intend to permit to the extent that it's in
my control, and no official of my
administration, whether his rank is high or
low, civilian or military, should interpret
my words here tonight as an excuse to
censor the news, to stifle dissent, to
cover up our mistakes or to withhold from

(01:17:04):
the press and the public the facts they
deserve to know.
But we are opposed around the world by a
monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that
relies primarily on covet means for
expanding its sphere of influence, on
infiltration instead of invasion, on

(01:17:24):
subversion instead of elections, on
intimidation instead of free choice, on
guerrillas by night instead of armies by
day.
It is a system which has conscripted vast
human and material resources into the
building of a tightly knit, highly
efficient machine that combines military,

(01:17:48):
diplomatic intelligence, economic,
scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not
published.
Its mistakes are buried, not not headlined.
It's dissenters are silenced, not praised.
No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is
printed, no secret is revealed.

(01:18:11):
No president should fear public scrutiny of
his program, for from that scrutiny comes
understanding, and from that understanding
comes support or opposition, and both are
necessary.

Lara (01:18:23):
So when you hear that, you know, what
strikes me is that we spend all this time
talking about, you know, trying to figure
out what's going on.
And you know there was JFK and he already
knew.
I mean, everything people talk about today
is exactly what he just talked about in
that speech from the Waldorf, astoria on
April 27th 1961.

Shane (01:18:45):
Bobby Kennedy said after the assassination.
He said I knew that they were coming after
us, but I thought it was going to be me.
So they weren't surprised.
They knew what they were going up against.
They knew the battle that they were facing.
And, Luke, I'm glad you brought all that up.
I hadn't heard that whole speech.
I'd heard little excerpts from it, but
really what he's almost saying and I think
some of it.

(01:19:06):
I've seen stuff on the Skull and Bones
Society, yeah, and we know who was involved
in that George Bush, senior Right.

Lara (01:19:16):
And junior, many of them generations of the
Bushes right Exactly.

Shane (01:19:23):
But what he's basically saying is we're at
war and it's a war of good versus evil and
you're either on the side of good, you're
on the side of bad or you're ignorant at
this point in time and just kind of
oblivious to what's going on around us.
Because I do see so many people trying to
share the truth and I see people mad about
the truth coming out and I think it's just
I don't get that side of it of being upset

(01:19:44):
about it, and I think that's just the
difference in good versus evil and the
battle that we're fighting.
And I think we're living in historic times
right now to where we're going to see good
win.
We know we win in the end, but I think
we're right in the middle of it, the throes
of it right now.

Lara (01:20:02):
It's exactly, I mean, where we are today
spiritual battle, good and evil.
What do you think, luke?

Luke (01:20:06):
I think you know truth.
The opposite of truth is lies, and God is
revealing truth to combat all the lies.
And we've been under.
We haven't realized how much we've been
lied to.
You know.
Nothing's new under the sun, but I think
God is pulling back the curtain and
revealing how much evil it is, and I think

(01:20:27):
a lot of people spiritually are blown away
because they don't work in these covet
secret means that JFK was talking about
that.
They aren't part of these secret societies
and are trying to control the world through
this globalism, and so it's making people
search for truth and want to know what is
truth and what is lie and wakes people up.

(01:20:48):
You know to.
I mean, we're seeing an awakening right.

Shane (01:20:51):
Right.

Luke (01:20:51):
And there's still people under the spell
that are so deceived, and so they're angry
when they're cognitive dissonance, when
they're challenged, right, Because their
worldview this doesn't fit my worldview.
So right Right.

Shane (01:21:07):
So Keith may have a-.
There's a quote that I saw the other day
and it said it's much easier to deceive a
man than it is to convince a man that he's
been deceived.
And so it is hard, and I think people have
to go through like the whole guilt, anger,
blame, whatever cycle to get through this,
to get to the truth, because we have been
deceived and that's tough to admit.

(01:21:27):
But if they kind of open their eyes to this,
then it's like okay, there's a whole world
of deception out there and frankly, I
almost wish I could go to that side of it,
because I think it comes from a place of
sincere naivety, of being that naive about
the evils of the world around us.
And it'd be nice to go to sleep at night

(01:21:48):
just thinking that, you know, there's sheep
jumping across the moon in my dreams and
everything's good.
But I don't see the world that way.

Lara (01:21:55):
Well, you know, the thing is for me, I've
reached the point where people will come to
me all the time, you know, and often say
you know, thank you for standing up for the
truth and thanks for being a voice, and I'm
very grateful for that.
But I also wonder, I want to ask them

(01:22:15):
sometimes why don't you have to do anything?
Why is it just up to me or to you or to
somebody else who's in the firing line, and
why do you get a free pass and you get to
live blissfully unaware?
Or you may not be unaware, but you're just,
you're still living your life, taking care

(01:22:38):
of everything within your orbit and
expecting somebody else to do the hard work
or the heavy lift.
And maybe that sounds a little bit harsh,
and I don't mean it to sound harsh, because
I'm very grateful, for I'm grateful
actually to be able to stand for the truth

(01:22:59):
and to speak up, and I couldn't do that
without people out there who want to hear
it and supporting me.
So I don't mean it in a pejorative way at
all, I just mean it very sincerely.
Why is it up to me and other people like me
and not up to you?
What's interesting to me is what makes
people think they get a free pass Right.

(01:23:22):
And the other thing that speech reminds me
of is General Flynn.
Actually, general Mike Flynn was someone
who said to me many years ago, more than a
decade ago, that these secret societies
will be part of their undoing, these secret
societies and their symbolism that they use

(01:23:44):
the symbolism is their undoing and their
secret societies are the root of that evil.
And what's particularly interesting about
that right now is that General Flynn is now
on the board at West Point, on the
visitor's board, and people might look at
that and think that's kind of an odd
appointment for him.
This is a man who was National Security

(01:24:05):
Advisor and he could I mean, there's any
job, almost any job in the administration
that he could do in his sleep.
So why is he there?
Well, the first thing I thought of when I
saw that was the West Point Protection
Society, the secret society at West Point
that is active within the military and my

(01:24:29):
money I haven't spoken to General Flynn
about this, but I don't really need to my
money's on that society's days being
numbered.
There are secret societies all over the
place and they give themselves away, I
think because so many of them are rooted in

(01:24:49):
the devil, in Satan, right and Satan.
You're not allowed to deny Satan.

Shane (01:24:54):
No, they have to show it through their
music videos and perform on it.
But when you're talking about like, why me?
Or why us Like, why is it just a few
standing up?
I wish I could get this quote out of my
head, but it's.
We're only one generation away from a
failed democracy at any given time, so it

(01:25:17):
takes constantly next generation standing
up and fighting within the democracy or
else it's going to die.
And so you've been on the front lines.
You know way more so than others.
And then something that was mind blowing to
me is I went to this graduation I think I
was there for three days and so they let us
participate in what's called War College.
It's at Schofield.

(01:25:37):
Barracks in Pennsylvania and one of my
buddies was graduating from that and I go
in.
Trump was in office at the time.
It's supposed to be apolitical, but I went
in and there were a few things and they
were talking about the biggest threats to
the US until they had them mapped out and
so at the time, islam had been growing
pretty rapidly in the US.

(01:25:59):
I was like, yeah, I don't see Islam on
there.
And they got.
They're like we have folks from Pakistan
here.
I was like so this is still a big threat.
Look at what they've done in other
countries, we're going to have problems and
you couldn't talk about that.
And then you couldn't say anything positive
about Trump or anything negative about
Obama, but they could all speak positively

(01:26:22):
about Obama and negative about Trump, and
so those are the folks that are going to
fill the general ranks, the Pentagon, and
they were literally grooming and promoting
who you know most of them were.
I know a lot of military folks and I know
when I see somebody that's strong and I'd
be like you know I'd go to war with you or
I'd, you know, hide behind you, foxhole

(01:26:43):
type of deal.
All these guys are not the guys I'd want to
be in a foxhole with no.
And those are the ones that they were
pushing at the time up into the Pentagon,
and I assume a ton of them are still there.

Lara (01:26:55):
Yeah, not for long, we can hope it.
Just what it feels like the legacy of the
JFK's assassination and what makes your
grandfather's story and his testimony in
these tapes that you have left behind.
Why does it matter?

(01:27:16):
Well, it matters because we're still living
the effects of that assassination and we've
never really had the truth.

Shane (01:27:25):
Right and to me.
I look at a lot of the things that happened
today and we're trying to, you know, attack
this attack, that attack that we're just
basically pulling the top of the weed off.
We're not going to the roots of it.
No.
So to get to the roots you have to go back
to JFK assassination and frankly I think
you have to go back further to some stuff
that happened in the thirties and Jekyll

(01:27:46):
Island and all that.
But you know we're not pulling things up by
the roots.

Lara (01:27:51):
No, and.
And not only are we not doing that, but
what use is it to fire Dr Fauci when you
know how many millions of people died and
he's not held accountable?
Oh, he doesn't have his cushy job anymore.
What a shame.
You know he doesn't have his security.
Private taxpayer funded security detail.
What a shame.

(01:28:13):
That's not the same thing as being held
accountable for the fact that you knowingly
let you know you put a medical treatment
onto the market that you knew it caused
women to lose their babies in clinical
trials oh yeah, you know, just as a start
or caused permanent heart damage to young
people.

Shane (01:28:30):
Cancer.

Lara (01:28:31):
You know, from which there's no reversing
right.
It's like that's not accountability.
And the purpose of accountability is not
revenge, it's not retribution even though
people cast it that way is not revenge.
It's not retribution, even though people
cast it that way.
It's actually making sure that evil isn't

(01:28:52):
left to replicate itself and grow.

Shane (01:28:54):
Right and on that, if there's attorney
generals out there, so Fauci can still be
held accountable from the states.
But most attorney generals have to get a
referral from a DA in their state to go
after it, ideally from a large populace,
but unfortunately here in Texas our five
biggest cities are all run by Soros-funded

(01:29:18):
DAs.

Lara (01:29:19):
I have a better one for you.
How about crimes against humanity?
There's no statute of limitations and the
penalty is death.

Shane (01:29:27):
Yeah, I mean this is one of the largest
genocides in the last whatever 50 years, I
think I mean the amount of people that it
has killed will continue to kill it's
insane.

Lara (01:29:36):
Yeah, yeah, and lives destroyed.
That's a good approach.

Shane (01:29:41):
Yeah, somebody should take her up on that.
Yeah, somebody should take her up on that.

Luke (01:29:44):
One interesting thing I wanted to add is
the term conspiracy theorist started
because of JFK to basically-.

Lara (01:29:53):
Created by the CIA.

Luke (01:29:54):
Created by the CIA as a dog whistle term To
silence people To silence people.
But us conspiracy theorists are kind of
winning these days.
It's weird that it comes back now.

Lara (01:30:05):
Speak for yourself, Luke.
I'm a journalist, not a conspiracy theorist.

Luke (01:30:09):
You're the true journalist.
I'm just here hanging out.
So it's just interesting that we've come
full circle, you know, from that term to
what has been revealed.
And JFK started it where he was trying to,
you know, expose the deep state and the
globalist cabal and what they were doing,
and expose the deep state and the globalist
cabal and what they were doing.
And he was taken out.
And now here we are talking about, finally,

(01:30:30):
the truth around JFK.

Lara (01:30:32):
It's trying to come out, trump would have
been JFK if Butler Pennsylvania had been
different, right?
I mean the next person trying to expose the
deep state and really continue the work of
JFK.
Jfk was going off to the Fed.
I mean all the things that Trump is doing.
Jfk was doing them.

Shane (01:30:47):
And that's why I spent so much time and
money to try and get that tape to Trump and
Trump Jr.
I'm like Trump Jr, you mean.

Lara (01:30:56):
Don Jr, don Jr.
Yes, what about Eric?

Shane (01:30:59):
I have not gotten it to Eric.
I never got it to him, I didn't know him,
but I did get it to Don Jr and supposedly
to President Trump over in West Palm in
2022.
But it's because he poses the same threat.
And if all of this is right which you asked
earlier, like what do I think?
Deep down?
I know that this collectively, between all

(01:31:22):
the research I've done, I probably have 50%
of it put together.
I got it all in my heart.
I don't know if I could go prove it in a
court of law, but deep down it just is what
it is, and so I'm like the same structures
are in place that were the threat to JFK at
the time still to this day that are a
threat to Trump.

(01:31:43):
So I wanted him to know and I was trying to
hopefully avert the Butler thing.
You know, thank God he missed and my heart
sank that day, but it still hasn't been
dealt with.

Lara (01:31:54):
No, well, we'll see if we can get this
podcast over to him and let him take a look.
And you know he is fighting a war in about
50 different fronts.

Shane (01:32:05):
He's got his hands full right now.

Lara (01:32:07):
He has his hands full right now, but maybe
there's someone intrepid in his circle who
can bring it to his attention.

Shane (01:32:15):
They do.
I trust he's probably heard some of this as
well, but we just need prayers to keep him
alive and keep him safe, because he's doing
God's work for sure.

Lara (01:32:25):
For sure, on behalf of all of us, okay, and
on behalf of myself, lara Logan and my team.
Like, share, subscribe, give support, do
whatever you want.
Go to laralogancom.
Make sure that you get as many people as
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