The Threat Within: One On One with John Guandolo | Episode 11 - Going Rogue with Lara Logan

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John (00:00):
Jihad is not just swords, guns, bombs.
That's the smaller part of it, just like
the communists.
The bigger part of the total war is
espionage, counterintelligence, propaganda,
economic warfare, psychological operations
subverting the key institutions education,

(00:21):
religious institutions, the media, the
government, the political institutions, the
security institutions, Cultural, yeah, and
for them one of the big cultural
penetrations is of the religious
institutions.
That's all part of their warfare and for
both movements, if it advances their
movement, it's game.

(00:41):
Nothing's out of bounds.

Lara (01:00):
Welcome back to Going Rogue with Laura
Logan.
My guest on this show is a man who I've
been following for more than a decade.
Actually, he's kind of unusual because long
before people knew what cancel culture was,
he'd been canceled about 150 times and yet
he has not stopped.
His name is John Guandolo, and just saying
that name is going to get me attacked from

(01:21):
here to Timbuktu, and I don't care either,
Because John Guandolo, a former FBI agent
although don't hold that against him and a
former Marine recon and also a national
security expert, is a man who has never
wavered.
He is misrepresented online and regularly

(01:43):
attacked as being Islamophobic for the
crime of investigating, researching and
being an expert in, I guess, what he would
describe as the political, cultural, soft,
nonviolent invasion of the United States of
America by certain factions within Islam.

(02:08):
And, of course, just saying that word is
going to get you branded as Islamophobic
and we're going to talk about that and a
whole lot more with a man who does not hold
back.
So with that, I would like to introduce
John Guandolo, Thanks, Thanks for having me.
How did I do that?
Did I get?

John (02:26):
anything wrong.
That was good, except you said former
Marine, once a Marine, always a Marine.

Lara (02:31):
Oh, I thought that was only about the CIA.
Once a spy always a spy.
That's too funny.
Okay, john, this is a very different
landscape today from when you began, and I
wonder, if you could.
One of the reasons I wanted to do this

(02:51):
interview with you and not somebody else is
that you have both a strategic and a
tactical understanding of what you see as
the threat in the United States from I
don't know how would you describe it?
Would you describe it as radical Islam?

John (03:08):
No, I mean.
The only thing radical about what the
Islamic movement's doing is they're
radically correct according to normative
and universally taught Islamic doctrine.
So what Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State?
And Hezbollah and Hamas?
Hamas being an inherent part of the Muslim
Brotherhood, everything they do is lawful.

Lara (03:27):
Okay, can you explain it for us?
Start with, who is the Muslim Brotherhood?
So?

John (03:36):
the Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamic
movement.
It's one of a number of movements that have
existed in the last over a century.
The Brotherhood was created in 1928 in
Egypt, but so you've got movements like
Tablighi Jamaat, jamaati Islami and others.

(03:56):
But the Muslim Brotherhood is a movement
and the reason it's a focus is because in
North America and Europe and other places
it's the leading edge of the Islamic
movement in those regions, in those
countries.

Lara (04:09):
Well, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt
is part of the inspiration for Al-Qaeda and
the modern jihad that we've been witnessing.
That's right.
It is the inspiration for the.

John (04:22):
It's the driving force that underpins the
modern, the 20th and 21st century jihad.
But everything that they espouse, you can
read their bylaws and that is they tell you
in their bylaws, first line of their bylaws.
It's an international organization which
seeks to establish Allah's divine law in

(04:43):
the land.
Allah's divine law which land, allah's
divine law which is.

Lara (04:45):
Sharia Islamic law.
And when you say in the land, you mean in
On the earth.

John (04:51):
That's their goal.
So worldwide, To create a global Islamic
state, a caliphate on the earth.
What's interesting is that's the purpose of
Al-Qaeda.
Stated purpose.
It's the stated purpose of Islamic state.
It's the stated purpose of Al-Qaeda stated
purpose.
It's the stated purpose of Islamic State.
It's the stated purpose of fill in the
blank.
Pick any other.
It's this.

(05:12):
If you look at, the largest voting bloc in
the United Nations is the OIC, the
Organization of Islamic Cooperation.
The OIC, it's 57 members, that's 56 Islamic
nations, every Islamic nation on earth,

(05:32):
plus something they call the state of
Palestine, which, if you know your
geography, that's called Israel.
But anyway, let's not let facts get in the
way of a good story.
But the OIC, in 1993, served the Cairo
Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, which
they approved.

(05:54):
Now, this is the key.
The head of state level, at the king level,
of every Islamic nation on earth, under the
banner of the OIC, approved the Cairo
Declaration in 1990.
They served it to the UN in 1993.
And the last two articles literally say we,

(06:14):
the entire Muslim world, only understand
human rights through the lens of Sharia and
it's our only reference for everything
articulated in this declaration, which is
called the Cairo Declaration on Human
Rights and Islam.
So the entire Muslim world has put the
entire non-Muslim world on notice that

(06:37):
their entire understanding of relations
between human beings is through the lens of
Sharia.
And if you read five, 10, 15 books of
Islamic law, they all say the exact thing.
And that's this which, by the way, is the
same thing that the most widely used

(06:57):
textbooks in the United States and Canada
and Europe say is the purpose of Islam.
The purpose of Islam is to establish a
global Islamic state, a caliphate, and
impose Sharia on everybody on earth.
That's it, that's the end of the story.
There's no other purpose.

Lara (07:15):
Is that something that every Muslim knows
and understands, or not?

John (07:21):
You can't say that that could be the case.
I doubt it.
But if you look at Sharia, the reason that
we see starting in the 70s, you go back to
the 60s Islamic law.
Sharia states that when the Islamic
community, the Ummah, has the ability and

(07:42):
the resources to wage jihad, they're
mandated to because, again, the purpose of
Islam is to wage war against non-Muslims,
to establish Sharia.
That's it.
And so when, through Saudi Arabian oil
money, we see what do they do?
Well, saudi Arabia starts building Islamic

(08:03):
schools and mosques and things first in
Islamic countries and educating the Muslim
community.
Right, the Muslim Brotherhood's Revolution,
which you're very familiar with, in January
2011 was targeted at Muslim countries who
were not obeying Sharia and overthrowing

(08:27):
those countries first.
And when that was done per their own
doctrine, strategic doctrine then they
turned their sights on now.
They had already been infiltrating Europe
in the 50s and the United States in the 60s,
70s and on, but they amplified their
efforts significantly in these last 10

(08:49):
years.
I mean, we can go back to 1960 in the
United States and walk forward the key
points, but the point for this beginning of
this discussion is everything they do,
everything Al-Qaeda does, isis, now the
Islamic State, the Muslim Brotherhood,
tablighi, jamaat, jamaat-e-islami, boko
Haram, al-shabaab, hezbollah.

(09:11):
Iran, jordan, egypt, pakistan yeah, all of
them.
And it's part of the constitution in Egypt,
it's part of the constitution in Iran.
Sharia, everything they do, sharia is not
only the blueprint for how they fight the
war, it's what they seek to impose on
everyone.

(09:32):
America.
After 9-11, the US government went to war
against who knows, because we've never
actually declared war and we've never
identified the enemy.
So America has been at war, I would argue,
for longer than 2001, in the modern era,
certainly since 1979, when Iran declared a

(09:55):
global jihad again to impose Allah's divine
law on the land.
Our war fighting doctrine in the United
States says when you assess a threat, you
begin with who the enemy says they are and
why they say they're fighting 100% of this
enemy.
The nation states I go back to the OIC's

(10:16):
Cairo Declaration the jihadi military,
jihadi organizations like Al-Qaeda, isis et
al, and the Islamic movements like the
Muslim Brotherhood, all say we're Muslims
waging jihad in the cause of a law to
establish an Islamic state under Sharia.
Since 9-11, we have never identified the

(10:40):
enemy and we've never identified why
they're fighting, which they explicitly
state is Sharia All.

Lara (10:47):
George Bush did after 9-11 was to establish
the axis of evil.
Right, that's how he kind of put it out
there.
He never went into.
I mean, obviously people put Al-Qaeda's
face on that, but he created that sort of
narrative of the axis of evil You're either
with us or against us.
It's that sort of narrative of the axis of

(11:07):
evil You're either with us or against us
and people thought they were fighting
Al-Qaeda.
But that provided an avenue for US leaders
afterwards to say, oh well, you know,
here's the Taliban and they're different,
they're not like Al-Qaeda, so we can just
give them their entire country back and
help them kill all the people that helped
us to fight them.

(11:28):
And they're not a threat, because look what?
The Taliban's just.
They just want the US to get out of their
country, they just want the invaders to go
home.
I would be on the ground in Afghanistan
interviewing people within the Taliban
Taliban commanders, taliban foot soldiers
and they would tell me the truth no, we
want an.
Islamic world.
You know Al Qaeda are our brothers.

(11:50):
But of course in the US you're reading the
New York Times.
You know the Taliban just want you to go
home.

John (11:56):
Right.
So you just hit on a couple of huge points.
You know we can and I do when I teach law
enforcement.
For instance, you pull down FBI affidavits,
you listen to the testimony in court, you
can go back to the blind shakes trial in

(12:17):
New York.
Al Qaeda right, abdul Rahman.

Lara (12:20):
And that was the.

John (12:21):
he was responsible for the very first he
was the legal jurist overseeing Al-Qaeda
operations in the United States.
Yes, yeah, and he's a global hero to them.
He's deceased now.
He died in Supermax in Denver or in
Colorado.
And that was before 9-11.
Yeah, that was before 9-11,.
But in the courtroom and the prosecutor the
chief prosecutor for New York at the time,

(12:43):
who oversaw that case, andrew McCarthy said
you know what did they say in court?
Muslims who testified on behalf of the
prosecution would be asked questions about
what does this mean in Islam, or how does
jihad apply here?
And they would all point to what Andrew

(13:05):
McCarthy called the homicidal maniac in the
courtroom, the blind sheikh.
They'd all point to him and said you'd have
to address that question with him because
he's the Islamic scholar, he's a jurist, he
knows Sharia better than anyone on the
planet, and that's what it's all about.
It's about Sharia, and here's why this
matters.
When you don't understand, what you just

(13:26):
said is they're all tied together.
Now they disagree on who's going to be in
charge.
That's right, and they'll fight each other
about that.
They'll kill each other about that.

Lara (13:37):
They're fighting for supremacy within the
movement.
That's right.
Who gets to lead?

John (13:42):
That's right.

Lara (13:42):
Who gets the rewards movement?
Who gets to lead?
Who gets the rewards?
Who gets to?

John (13:46):
be in charge of what.
That's what they're.
They're fighting each other for that, but
they all agree that the non-Muslim world is
the enemy, a hundred percent.

Lara (13:50):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You're just reminding me when I was in
Afghanistan and went through the war there,
when the first time when the Taliban were
overthrown by the Afghan soldiers with the
help of the US and the skies and covert
assistance, well, there was at one point I

(14:11):
was on an operation where they found a
container full of prisoners and there was a
local Afghan commander who ran that
operation and he was saying to me oh, thank
you, united States, thank you so much for
your help and all the rest of it.
And I said the US is talking about going to
war in Iraq.

(14:32):
I said because the US helped you defeat
your enemy here, would you help them defeat
Saddam Hussein?
I wanted to know what he was going to say,
right?
Well, it was a flat out.
What no?
He was going to say right?
Well, it was a flat out.
What no?
Absolutely not.
And I was like I'd spent a couple months
talking to this guy right During the war

(14:53):
with the Taliban.
I was there when Al Qaeda was still on the
ground and the Taliban was still running
the country 90% of the territory is what
they held.
And so I was like you've been telling me
for months that you want the US to help us.
They have to help us, they have to help us.
They helped you.
You won.
You just freed dozens of your own prisoners.

(15:15):
Emotional reunifications.
You're telling me thank you to the United
States, but you won't go fight for the US.
And he said never.
And I said why not?
And he said because Saddam is Muslim, iraq
is Muslim, it is an Islamic country.
I said yes, and he said well, as a Muslim,
I can't fight against.
Exactly, I can't fight for the infidels

(15:36):
against a Muslim.

John (15:37):
That's right.

Lara (15:38):
He said no true Muslim will ever do that.

John (15:47):
And let me just say some you.
This is a great.
I'm so glad you shared that when I so when
I was still in the fbi.
But then I got recruited at the end of 2008
out of the fbi, as you know, by rich
higgins and went and worked in the dod rich
higgins, who was a very um a wonderful man
and a very well respected
intelligencepected intelligence.
Brilliant strategic mind Brilliant yes On

(16:07):
this whole war.
They had me start briefings, senior
government officials like the chairman of
the House Intelligence Committee, the
Homeland Security, the judiciary, a former
FBI, cia, dia directors, three and
four-star generals and admirals and what
was shocking for me because at the time you

(16:28):
can call it idealistic or naivete, but I
still believed our system was functional
And-.

Lara (16:37):
Join the club?
Yeah, and what I?

John (16:39):
learned was none of these people knew what
I was talking about when we were briefing,
about why they're fighting us, about Sharia,
about the global movement, about how they
did what they did, their modus operandi.
It was shocking, which all began long
before 9-11.
Long before 9-11.
What's interesting, with regards to what
you just said, when I briefed military guys,

(17:00):
especially guys that were like colonels and
lieutenant colonels, guys, especially guys
that were like colonels and lieutenant
colonels, especially when I would do they
would sit in for day long briefings and
actually get it at a deep level.
There were usually two reactions sadness

(17:20):
and anger.
I mean, I've had lieutenant colonels
literally walk out of a brief and kick
tables over and cursed walking around and
the reason they were angry is because they
said if I had known Sharia I could have
brought more people back alive.
Because once you understand Sharia because
it's the blueprint for how they fight you
not only know the defeat mechanism, I see,

(17:42):
and you know that when it looks like
there's an opportunity for you to go easy
on them, you should smash the enemy.
That's exactly the time to smash them.
You understand when they ask for a truce,
that's the time to obliterate them.
But we have so many, we have had so many
attorneys on the ground in the middle of

(18:03):
combat worried and we're prosecuting our
own guys while letting Al-Qaeda guys walk.
Just like many other instances, the enemy
views that as total weakness, and when they
see that weakness, Sharia requires them to
fight harder and be more ruthless.

Lara (18:22):
Well, and of course you'll have all these
people screaming and shouting that, oh, but
because we hold ourselves to a higher
standard and we're better than that and we
have laws and rules that we're supposed to
follow, and they use that to tie your hands.
I mean, I saw things on the battlefield
that I knew should never, ever, ever have

(18:44):
happened, Like when I was in Ramadi where I
watched so many US soldiers get hit.
I said in the speech when I got my Emmy for
a series of reports that I did there for
CBS News, I said I went to Ramadi because
if you looked at a map of Iraq, the blood
the earth around Ramadi was soaked with

(19:07):
American blood drenched in it.
And that's what drew me there, because that
seemed important enough not to ignore.
And we would be attacked day after day
after day.
And where would they go?
Into the hospital.
And then the US would stop and I would say,
well, what are you going to do?
And they would be like, well, we can't do

(19:28):
anything, they're in the hospital.
I'm like, but you know, they're in the
hospital.
Yes, our rules of engagement don't allow us
to go into hospitals, and that's what's so
interesting about the Palestinian or the
Gaza conflict right now is that Israel has
taken off those gloves and they have said

(19:49):
you want to hide in schools and hospitals
and so on and so on.
We're coming for you, You're not going to
use that against us anymore.
And of course that allows in the media and
in the political world.
That allows people.
It gives them all the room they, they need
to say look at israel targeting right, you
know civilian targets and you know,
brutally, you know, you know going off to

(20:10):
civilians, and all the accusations of
genocide, which is so ironic to me, because
one party in that conflict has as its
stated goal the genocide of all Jews.
That's right.
That is literally what they're fighting for.

John (20:27):
That's Islamic doctrine.
That's normative Islamic doctrine.
That's not.

Lara (20:31):
And not just in Israel, by the way.
Correct, they will hunt every last Jew down
all across the world and somehow, somehow,
people just leave that out of the
conversation.

John (20:45):
And no one cares, by the way, not even the.

Lara (20:48):
Jewish community really does a good job.
On that I have to say no, they don't.

John (20:52):
As a matter of fact, I work with a number
of conservative Jewish organizations as
well as leaders in the United States in the
United States, and they're frustrated by

(21:13):
their own.
You know fellow Jews who work with easily
identifiable Muslim Brotherhood Hamas
leaders in the United States under the
guise of interfaith outreach or cooperating,
because you know the Muslims will say you
don't want us to be targeted like you were
under Hitler.
So you know the Muslims will say you don't
want us to be targeted like you were under
Hitler.
So you know, help us.
And they do.
I mean, these are soft-hearted and
soft-minded people who have clearly lost

(21:36):
the ability to think and reason.
But that this is again it goes back to.
You've got to have the capability and the
determination to proactively understand the
enemy, how they're doing, what they're
doing and why they're being so successful.
And the last thing I'll say about what you

(21:56):
just mentioned is who were our advisors to
President Bush and his cabinet after 9-11?
Well, who was working with cabinet after
9-11.
Well, who was working with them on 9-11?
Working in the White House was Suhail Khan,
the son of Mahbub Khan, who's one of the
most prolific Muslim Brotherhood leaders in
North America.
Matter of fact, at the time the largest

(22:18):
Muslim Brotherhood organization in North
America still one of the largest, but at
the time it was the leading Muslim
Brotherhood organization in the United
States and North America still one of the
largest, but at the time it was the leading
Muslim Brotherhood organization in the
United States and North America Islamic
Society North America.
They give out an annual award called the
Maboub Khan Award and it's a matter of fact
in the largest terrorism financing trial in
American history the US versus Holy Land

(22:40):
Foundation trial, adjudicated in my
hometown of Dallas in 2008, that ISNA is
not only a Muslim Brotherhood organization.
It directly funds the terrorist group Hamas.
They're still in existence and the guy who
get they hand out an annual award called
the Mahbub Khan Award, and his son was in
the White House on 9-11 in the Bush
administration.
Who did the Bush administration turn to?

(23:03):
Guys like Musamil Siddiqui, one of the
leading, I would argue, based in Indiana,
and other known Muslim Brotherhood groups.

(23:28):
So when you have people, I mean look under
Clinton his Islamic advisor.
Now why a US president needs an Islamic
advisor, I have no idea, but his Islamic
advisor was Abdurrahman al-Mudi, who's the
single largest fundraiser for Al-Qaeda in
the United States.
That was his Islamic advisor for two terms.

(23:50):
Now, alamoudi was arrested at Heathrow
Airport with, let's see $340,000 cash in a
suitcase that he was taking to Libya from
Damascus Syria but anyway when was that?
What's that?
When was?

Lara (24:09):
that?
When was that?

John (24:09):
2000,.
He was arrested in 2004.
Yeah, and here's the point.
So how is the FBI and Secret Service
vetting doing?
Now that's back.
You know that was during Clinton and he
wasn't arrested until the Bush
administration.
Right.

Lara (24:27):
So through Clinton, bush, I know, through
Obama, we're going to talk about that, and
and I mean through Biden, and even to today.
Okay, John, before we go to what is really
the counterintelligence part of this
conversation, can you lay out, describe for

(24:48):
me?
Because after 9-11, it was all about
Al-Qaeda and the wars in Afghanistan and
then Iraq, and then it was like then Obama
led the charge in saying Al-Qaeda is
decimated and there's no Islamic threat,
and it dropped off the radar completely.
Nobody wanted to talk about it, it doesn't
exist, it was fake to begin with and it
doesn't exist.

(25:10):
And so can you explain to people how you
see the nature of that threat and when you
say, understand the threat, understand what
they're doing and understand the enemy?
So help us understand those three.

John (25:24):
Yes, understand what they're doing and
understand the enemy.
So help us understand those three.
Yes.
So first, in the broader sense, america's
at war because people have declared war
against us.
Nation states and entities have declared
war against us the way in the United States.
I'll just focus on the US and we can go
more broadly, as broadly as you want to go.
There exists an Islamic movement, capital M

(25:49):
That movement exists with doctrine,
published doctrine, published strategy,
hundreds of lines of operation and a
massive network of thousands of
organizations and a massive network of
thousands of organizations.
There is a communist movement, the Islamic

(26:10):
movement, which was introduced into the
United States by the Muslim Brotherhood in
the 1960s.
There is a communist movement that's been
here for over 100 years, that has published
doctrine, strategy, hundreds of lines of
operation, and most people now know it,
even if they don't identify it as these
things.
But what's going on in elementary, junior,
high, high schools, college and university

(26:32):
campuses?
What's going on through local and state
level, chambers of commerce, the propaganda,
information, the economic warfare?
All that, again, this movement has all of

(26:52):
those things and they have thousands of
organizations At the local level across the
United States, those two movements, along
with entities and individuals that have
significant resources, collaborators that
are not necessarily ideologically aligned
with either movement, support them and
people financing them, and those are some

(27:13):
of the same.
That's the enemy Now there's.

Lara (27:17):
I ask you one thing why would they support
them if they don't believe?

John (27:23):
in them Because it has to do with their
goal, which is to undermine the United
States.

Lara (27:28):
So they all share the same goal.
Yes, the Marxist movement and the Islamic
movement, and then basically, other
domestic enemies who seek the destruction
of this country, and the three of them work
together.

John (27:44):
Yeah, so you've got the communist movement,
a totalitarian movement governed by
doctrine, strategies and these networks, so
they're implementing their plan, the
Islamic movement, which has published
doctrine, strategies, lines of operation
and these networks, which is a totalitarian
ideology, right?

Lara (28:05):
Both of them are yes.
I mean, let's look at them.
Do they believe in freedom of speech?
No.
Do they believe in freedom of religion?
No, In fact, Marxism doesn't believe in any
religion and no freedom Right.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
No freedom, no freedom at all.
It's a totalitarian ideology.
Right.

Lara (28:20):
Yeah, I mean it's insanity especially.
Yeah, I mean it's insanity especially
because they get cast as being opposite
each other, but they're really not.

John (28:31):
No, and so I want to preempt some questions
that will probably be in the minds of your
viewers as they're listening to this.
Number one I'm well aware of other global
movements and major hostile entities, like
the secular humanist movement or the World
Economic Forum, or the United Nations as a
whole, or hostile nation states, but the

(28:53):
key is those hostile nation states, be it
China, be it Pakistan, be it Saudi Arabia,
be it Qatar, be it UAE, turkey, and the
list goes on.
These efforts, including the International
Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic
movements, are coordinating these efforts

(29:16):
in the United States, and I'll just give a
few examples so your audience understands.
There's meat here, excuse me, the communist
movement.
So you have Black Lives Matter as an
example, which is not, it was never a civil
rights organization, it's a Marxist
organization.
It was.
It was created by the largest Chinese

(29:37):
communist organizations in America Freedom
Road, socialist Organization, which is not
socialist communist, and Liberation Road,
working in tandem with Chinese Progressive
Association, asians for Black Lives, many
others that are known communist
organizations.
The CPA Chinese Progressive Association,

(29:58):
works directly with the Chinese consulates
here in the United States, with Chinese
Communist Party officials.
By their own mouth, they admit that, so
they're taking direction.
Now, that's not the only information we
have about what they're doing, but it's so
easy to put your finger on.
By their own admission, they're being
directed by the Chinese Communist Party

(30:20):
officials here.
Besides being against the law, it's
evidence of a foreign hostile power
violently operating in the United States
right Now.
Their leadership says they're waging war

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against the United States and intend to
bring down the United States.
I always believe when an enemy says that
you should believe it In the Islamic
movement.
So you have.
At the international level, you can go back
to 79 if we want to just stick to the
modern movement, but go back to 1928 when
the Muslim Brotherhood was established.

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Why were they established?
Because the Ottoman Empire was dissolved,
and that didn't sit well, because Kemal
Ataturk excuse me.
Kemal Ataturk said we're dissolving the
Islamic State, the Ottoman Empire, which

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was the caliphate.
We're abolishing Sharia, the Islamic State,
the Ottoman Empire, which was the caliphate.
We're abolishing Sharia.
So no more wearing of the Sunnah beard, no
longer will there be the call of prayer,
and we're creating secular Turkey and
building a secular army to defend secular
Turkey.
Well, that went over like a lead duck in

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the Muslim world and so the Muslim
Brotherhood created.
The Muslim Brotherhood was created by
Hassan as a counter to that Right To
basically say to reestablish the caliphate
under Sharia.
It's that simple, yeah, because that is the
requirement under Islam.
And so that's what they do.
We see in 79, iran declares the global

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jihad and makes it very public.
There are a lot of markers we could go
through historically, I won't kind of spend
the time doing that.
But if we just look at the modern jihad
from that time forward, at the
international level, you have the OIC
working in conjunction with the

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International Muslim Brotherhood, working
with the legal entities because this is a
totalitarian system, the Islamic movement
guided by a law doctrine, sharia, and
that's exactly what they're doing.
They push strategic messaging through again

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in the United States through their major
legal organizations in North America FEEC,
council of North America, the Assembly of
Muslim Jurists in America which then push
them down to the mosques.
I will tell you, the command and control
they have from the international level down
to the local level in the United States is
something I've never read about, I've never

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seen.
It is so well coordinated.
And when I brief state, local and federal
officials and demonstrate that, that is one
of the things that blows their mind in um
at the leadership level internationally,
the islamic movement can say okay, we're
taking a turn, this is, we're advancing, so
we're gonna.
We're moving the message here, boom, put it
out and within a week or two, that's what's

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going out in many mosques across the united.
It's incredible, and I'll be delicate about
this, but that's unusual for you, john, it
is, but we, my team and our team we have a
pretty good intelligence network within

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this community and I can tell you that it's
impressive.
I once got accused by an army colonel.
He's like sounds like you, you are fawning
over the enemy.
I'm not, like I said they need to be
crushed like cockroaches, but they are
running circles around us and have been

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long before 9-11.
And the fact that they got an Al Qaeda guy
advising the president of the United States
should at least be some evidence of that.
And that continues today.
Because of what you just said.
This is much more a counterintelligence war
than it is violent, so that you asked me to
lay it out.
That is our enemy the Islamic movement, the

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communist movement and those collaborating
and financing them, because where the
rubber meets the road in anywhere, usa,
that's who's getting it done.
So when people raise their hands and
they're like well, what about the UN?
I'm like okay, what can you do about the UN?
And the answer is always the same nothing.
What can you do about the World Economic

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Forum?
Nothing.
What we train communities to do is where
the World Economic Forum's policies or
lines of operation touch your county.
Well, now we can do something.
Now we can grab it, we can burn it, we can
break it.
We can do it Lawfully.
You can rip these things out of your
community, but it requires your citizens to

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understand it, to then put pressure on
local and sometimes state officials to
actually do anything, and when they don't,
the citizens.
There's a lot of things citizens can do to
lawfully make these organizations and
leaders feel very uncomfortable in their
communities and kick them out.
Now it helps when local prosecutors and law

(35:48):
enforcement get on board.
But citizens can do it, and we're going to
win or lose the war at the local level.

Lara (35:55):
Okay, so what's happening at the local
level?
What do you see?
How do you see this movement in this threat?
I mean, I know you think they're winning.

John (36:05):
Oh, they're crushing us right now.

Lara (36:06):
So why do you say that?
But?

John (36:07):
I would say, because the evidence is there,
the fact that so when you understand Sharia
Right, and define.
Sharia, please.
So Islamic law, sharia that comes from the
Quran and the Sunnah, so the Sunnah being
the example of the Prophet Muhammad.

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So there are a couple of basic things.
Without going into a lengthy class, I like
to say it's actually not complicated.
When it comes to how the Islamic world and
how Sharia relates to the non-Muslim world,
there is complete agreement on the big
pieces of Sharia.

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There's no disagreement.
And where there is disagreement it's when
you crucify someone.
Do you kill them first, then crucify them,
or do you crucify them and let them die,
like different schools of Islamic
jurisprudence will disagree on that, but at
the end you're dead right.
So that's the point.

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So here's the point.
It comes from the Quran and the example of
Muhammad.
So I'll only say a few things about the
Quran.
The Quran is not from chapter 1 to chapter
114, is not set up chronologically, is not
from chapter one to chapter 114, is not set
up chronologically.
Islam, because it's in the Quran, says that
what comes chronologically last overrules
everything that comes before it.

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The scholars have laid out what that
chronological list looks like.
And the last chapter to talk about jihad.
Chapter nine, the last chapter to talk
about relations with.
Chapter nine, the last chapter to talk
about relations with non-Muslims.
Chapter five, chapter nine fight and slay
the unbeliever wherever you find them and
lie in wait for them in every stratagem of
war.
Chapter five take not Jews and Christians

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as your friends there, but friends of each
other, and any Muslim that takes them as a
friend is of them, which means you're an
apostate and you should be killed.
Right, so that's it.
So you need to know that, and then you need
to know the tafsir.
The tafsir is authoritative part of Islamic
law, which legally defines every verse in

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the Quran.
So there is no such thing in Islam as a
Muslim that says oh, I was reading this
verse in the Quran and this is what it
means to me.
That's a capital crime in Islam to say that.

Lara (38:31):
It's unlike the Bible in that sense.

John (38:33):
It's unlike anything and I don't like doing
comparisons because Islam?
Well, I'll just go to the most widely used
textbook for seventh graders in US Islamic
schools.
It's a book called what Islam is All About
by Yahya Emmerich happens to be a Muslim
brother, go figure.
And the very first page this is for

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12-year-olds.
Now in US Islamic schools teaching Muslim
children about Islam.
It says Islam this is a quote.
Islam is not a religion.
Comma, however comma, but a complete way of
life.
And it goes on to explain that complete way
of life is governed by Sharia, which comes
from the Quran and the Sunnah.

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It explains Islamic law to the 12-year-olds.
It has quotes in there that explains that
jihad is one of the three duties of every
Muslim, that if you die in jihad you go to
paradise, and the duty of every Muslim
citizen is to be loyal to the Islamic State
and it's the duty of Muslims to establish
an Islamic State under Sharia.
That's pretty simple.

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So what Muslim children are taught in US
Islamic schools is exactly what al-Qaeda
teaches its soldiers when it's doing
classes on the battlefield.

Lara (39:43):
Just so we're clear that's the black flag
of Al-Qaeda.
That's the ideology.
That's right.
Yes, that's right.
And the basis of all jihad, because
Al-Qaeda is the Arabic word for base Right
Foundation, so that's meant to be the
foundation of all these other jihad.

John (39:57):
So if we look at the example of the Prophet
Muhammad, hadith and all of that but here's
what I would say In the most authoritative
reports about what Muhammad did and said he
married a six-year-old and consummated the
relationship when she was nine.
He condoned torture and was ordered torture.

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He personally participated in beheading up
to 900 Jews after the Battle of the Trench.
He said I've been commanded to wage war
against those who do not accept Islam, and
the list goes on.
So when you see Muslims doing these things
and you see people like Bill Clinton,

(40:42):
george Bush no-transcript, but I feel like

(41:08):
it's a good place to input this If you're
the president or a police chief or anybody
in between, a general officer and you don't
know, what we're talking about right now is
the facts.
These are the facts.
This is the basis for why our enemy is

(41:30):
fighting us and that it's real.
Because it's published I mean the most
widely used book of Islamic law, the Umdad
al-Saleek Reliance of the Traveler.
It's published, it's the most widely used
in North America.
It's published in English in Beltsville,
maryland.
And you say you don't know it, you're
unprofessional, and because Americans are

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dead because of your unprofessionalism on
the law books, that's called criminal
negligence and we put doctors and lawyers
in jail for that.
So that's the basis for why they're
fighting.
That's a picture for everyone.
And the last thing I'll say regarding your
question about you know help frame this is

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our leaders, at every level, have told us
since 9-11 that it's us against violent
extremists.
Now here's a really important point.
Now here's a really important point.
There's no legal basis for that term
violent extremists.
There's nowhere in federal code that that
phrase is defined.

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The Constitution requires people who take
an oath to protect against all enemies,
foreign and domestic, and the term enemies
is legally defined foreign and domestic and
the term enemies is legally defined and the
professional canons defined our
professional duty for anyone that's taken
the oath and for those in positions that
are required to obey and show fidelity to

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that oath.
Here's why it matters.
Dhs has created policy how to pursue
violent extremists.
That has no basis in the law.
So if you wonder, why are we arresting
patriots and promoting jihadis?
For instance, we can go back to being the

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advisor to the president or to be fill in
the blank.
Whatever these positions are that they've
been in inside the government in the last
30 years.
Whatever these positions are that they've
been in inside the government in the last
30 years.
It's because there's official DHS policy
that orients US government efforts towards
that, to literally intentionally focusing

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not on the enemy, because that's not part
of US government policy, but it is a part
of the oath of office and the term enemy is
legally defined in federal code.
So do you understand like, at a
foundational level, the enemy?
The Islamic advisors have got it Literally.

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The Muslim Brotherhood in Europe created
the CVE program Countering Violent
Extremism.
The Muslim Association of Britain, muslim
Council of Britain and the guys that run
the mosque that you've been to over there
are affiliated with those organizations.
Those are the biggest Muslim Brotherhood

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organizations in England.
They're the ones who helped create that Cve,
which the british government gobbled up,
and then our dhs and fbi went over there uh,
in the 2006 2007 time frame and we gobbled
it up and brought it back here and that is
an information operation, um, that

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literally orients foreign policy and
counterterrorism strategy away from the
enemy and towards violent extremism, which
has no actual legal definition.

Lara (44:55):
It's how they control the narrative.
That's exactly right.
It's one of the many ways, one of the many
ways they fund it and they take control
over it.
So this is why you'll find that even in,
say, counter-trafficking, half the
organizations roughly in
counter-trafficking are trafficking people.
That's right.
You know, this is what people don't
understand.
It's that if you dig deep into the finances

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of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers,
you'll find Soros money or Soros-affiliated
money.
That's right, because they're keeping, they
need that threat to exist so that they can
focus everyone's attention on the white
male patriot and focus it away from where
they want it to be.
And then, at the same time, they rebranded
as extremist and you know, and to

(45:38):
marginalize it, right Right and take it out
of the mainstream.
All these are systems of control and it's
it's hard for people to get their head
around that.
I want to come back to one thing that you
said, though, because you and I both know
we'll be significantly attacked just for
speaking about this.
It's not new for either of us 20 years,

(46:00):
yeah, and you definitely have been in the
trenches long before most people even knew
what cancel culture really was.
You were being savaged on a daily basis.
I remember looking it up at least 10 years
ago and being like wow, they hate me, but
they really hate this guy.

John (46:19):
Remember the truth always offends those who
don't have it.

Lara (46:22):
Well, yeah, as a really great journalist
once said, gary Webb, when he said that all
the awards and everything, this great
career he had wasn't because he was such a
great journalist, it was just because he'd
never written anything important enough to
suppress.
You know what I mean?
He found out when he did, when he wrote
about the CIA introducing crack cocaine

(46:43):
into the streets of America.
First they applauded him and then they
stripped him of everything and he ended up
killing himself with two bullets to the
head.
But before he died he said I realized it
wasn't because I was so great, it was just
because I hadn't ever done anything before
this.
I hadn't done anything important enough to
suppress.
So that's kind of how you know you're, as

(47:04):
they say, you're over the target, right
when they come for you.

John (47:06):
That's right, my friend Bill Warner says
that If you're taking flack you're over the
target, so keep at it, right they?

Lara (47:11):
don't waste their bullets on people who are
shooting off into the abyss, and aren't
important, yeah, don't matter.
So to that end I just wanted to pick up.
When you talked about that book, you know,
for 12-year-olds, where it says Islam is
not a religion, that really resonates with
me because when I was based in London,

(47:33):
living there, and I went one night to do a
story at the Finsbury Park Mosque Very
significant mosque in the global jihad
where the one-eyed sheikh was based right
um abu hamza al-mazri yeah and a lot of
algerians.
They're pretty scary people, I must say.
You know, uh, I can usually get a smile out

(47:53):
of just about anybody on earth, even you
know even taliban and al-qaeda guys who
didn't want to smile, um, who I encountered
on the battlefield and interviewed, and all
that over the years.
You could, I can break just about anybody

(48:13):
with grace.
And those guys, man, they were a wall but I
got into after the interview was over,
interview, by the way, with a guy.
The imam said to me that they were going to
replace the UK government and that they
would be Sharia law in Britain.
I mean, he told me that was his stated goal
and I said but you know the laws that give
you the freedom to fight for this in this

(48:36):
country.
You know that's what enables you to exist
and you're going to get rid of all of it.
And he said, yeah, and I was like he's like
well, why are you looking at me?
He's like you guys are the idiots you let
this happen.
Even they recognized oh sure, they know
that they're exploiting your laws, your
freedoms.

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They know they're exploiting it in order to
obliterate it and they fully recognize that
we're slitting our own throats and they're
laughing at us Basically what he said.
But I got involved in a long conversation
with a big group of guys which easily got
heated and they were all screaming and
shouting at me at the same time.
My camera crew was annoyed.

John (49:18):
You have that effect on people, on Muslims.
I'm Muslim.

Lara (49:20):
Sometimes, sometimes I have, you know, I
have countless great stories and
experiences and friends and you know, and
people I know lived many years in the
Islamic world.
So it actually dwarfs that.
But these guys challenged me to say you
don't know anything about Islam.
You know, and of course I had to

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acknowledge that.
Well, compared to you guys, you know, I
know nothing.
But I mean I have, I've been around it a
bit.
There are a few things I know, so they're
like okay, so what do you know?
What do you know?
You know?
I was like okay, I'm just going to jump in
there.
And I didn't get more than three words in,
because I made the fatal mistake of saying

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something that is profoundly untrue, which
was Islam is a religion.
I said, well, islam is a religion.
No, no, it's not.
No, it's not.
I'm like what do you mean?
And they said it's not a religion.
That's your first mistake.
It's a civilization.
And every single part of your life within
that civilization is prescribed in the

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Quran and under Sharia law.
That's right.

John (50:29):
See, it's very simple, but in the West it's
so hard to grasp.

Lara (50:32):
So when you say that, when you say that
about this book teaching that, I know
that's true.
I don't need to go to the internet and
consult Wikipedia.
I know it's true because I was told that
and after that, of course, I used to raise
it often need to go to the internet and
consult Wikipedia.
I know it's true because I was told that
and after that, you know, of course, I used
to raise it often with Islamic people that
I that I knew or met along the way or
interviewed or whatever, and they always

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affirmed that.
So that's a key point here, because
obviously under the U?
S, in the U S, with the Constitution and
the First Amendment, freedom of religion
and so on, the first argument against any
kind of action against what is, by their
own words, a political and cultural
revolution, which is the overthrow of your

(51:16):
government.
That's right, right.
But they sort of soften it by saying it's a
cultural, political.
I don't really want my culture overthrown.
Quite frankly, I don't want to wear a hijab,
I don't want to have to.
You know, I don't want to live under
Islamic law, I don't.
I want to live under the Declaration of
Independence and Judeo-Christian principles

(51:37):
and the freedoms you know and rights that I
have now.
And somehow that's a crime to say that it's
not a slant on Islam or any other culture.
But I live here because this is the culture
that I want my children to grow up in.
This is what I believe in.
These are the values you know, consistent

(51:57):
with the God I know Right, and I think we
have a right to that.

John (52:01):
Yes.

Lara (52:02):
Just like they do.
If you want to live under Islam in Saudi
Arabia or Iran, or else that's your
business, you the right to work

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consistently for the replacement of your
own culture and belief systems is what
makes it very hard to identify this threat,
because the people leading this challenge
or this fight, this war, they understand

(52:44):
very well how to exploit that in the law.
Yes, they do, and so they will never tell
you.
We want to replace US law with Sharia law.
They'll never say that openly because they
know that's a crime under US law right, it
is, but a lot more.

John (52:59):
So this goes to an interesting point.
You know, in Islamic law, the closer they
get to victory, the more honest you're
going to see them be.

Lara (53:12):
Same with the Marxists and the globalists.

John (53:13):
That's right If you see, like right after
9-11, their mouthpieces in the United
States, which would include guys like John
Brennan, were saying things like jihad is
this internal struggle to better themselves.
They had these billboard campaigns and
campaigns on buses my jihad is to do my
homework.

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My jihad is to be a better person, to do
better at athletics.
All this that's all garbage, but that's a
propaganda campaign and they would publicly
deny that jihad had anything to do with war
or anything like that.
Nothing.
It was a spiritual struggle.
Now they kept that going, but around the
2012, 2013 timeframe, then they started to

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be a little more honest about it, and it
was the reason they get more honest is
because the closer they think they are to
victory, the more honest they were going to
be, because when you're living under Sharia,
you'll know all about Sharia, and then it's
too late, and that's the point.
So now they are, quite a few of them are
making in Europe.

(54:21):
They're like, yeah, we're here to you're
going down, and I would agree, since the
King is complicit.
King Charles is complicit, completely
surrendering.
Prime Minister is complicit, completely
surrendering Keith Starmer yeah, I don't
see In the UK.
Yeah, I don't see any leaders in the UK

(54:42):
that are doing anything of value to stem
the tide, and the citizens are unarmed, so
good luck with that.

Lara (54:52):
So when you make a statement like you know,
king Charles is complicit.
What do you base that on?

John (54:57):
His behavior in the last 20 years.
I mean he's you know, he has kowtowed to
the Islamic movement, leadership for Islam.
I mean when he was a prince he did it.
All the time he'd go to their events and
he'd lift them up and tell people they're
great people and thank you so much.
He just was, you know, they're packing up

(55:19):
meals for Ramadan, he and his wife packing
up meals for Ramadan, saying oh, we, we
love.
And of course, the organizations he's
working with are Muslim brotherhood
organizations.
This is just.
You know, there was a time when the
leadership in the West was Great Britain

(55:39):
and they waged war against these people and
destroyed them for good reason, because
they were trying to kill and destroy the
Western world.
But now they just surrender, they just lay
on their backs and invite them to walk all
over them.
It's disgusting.
The cowardice is staggering.
Why One?

(56:02):
Because I don't think Prince Charles has
any anchor in his life, that he just wants
to be liked, and they provide him a
platform for that.
They feed his ego.
That's my assessment of the king of Charles.
But, for different people it's different
things.
Some people are afraid, they're afraid of
getting killed, they're afraid of losing

(56:22):
their job, so they'll risk the future of
their children and grandchildren, and those
people, I think, are self-centered cowards.
Maybe that's one in the same.
You say coward, it's the same thing.
Others are some of these four-star generals
and some of these senior CIA and State
Department executives keep their mouths
shut because they know when they retire

(56:43):
they're going to get a seven or eight
figure salary from Qatar or Saudi Arabia,
from China I mean some of the things that
we now know.
Just in the last couple of years you've got
dozens of former members of Congress,
senate and the House, republicans and

(57:04):
Democrats, that are on the payroll of
organizations that directly report to CCP,
the Chinese Communist government.

Lara (57:12):
And I would challenge that to say they're
not all former, the current True.

John (57:17):
Right Taking money.

Lara (57:18):
Current sitting members of the House and
Senate are on the payroll of the.

John (57:21):
CCP Correct and some of it comes back to.
I guess it's all you could call it
self-interest.
But it's not just that when you swear an
oath and you're taking money on behalf of
an adversary of the United States, well,
Isn't that treason?
I would argue, legally it is treason, 18 US
Code.

Lara (57:36):
Sedition, treason and sedition.
Yeah, there's all kinds of federal charges,
john.
There's all kinds of federal charges.
John, I would also maybe challenge you on
that very gentle assessment of the king.
And I tell you why Because I have known for
many years a man formerly in US
intelligence who spent several years

(57:56):
underground training to infiltrate what he
calls the global cult at the UN level, and
his faction was the Islamic faction of the
globalists.
So I mean it makes total sense If you're
globalist, you're going to have factions on
every part of the globe, right, and I would
say it's maybe less about flattery and ego

(58:17):
for Prince Charles as the fact that he's a
globalist.

John (58:21):
I don't disagree with that.
I've heard people make the argument they
think he's converted.
I wouldn't.
Even that's unknowable for us.
It's unknowable.
He certainly has all the way he supports
the Islamic movement.
It wouldn't surprise me.
But I don't think it's not worth.

Lara (58:39):
It's not worth debating, because everything
he's doing advances their cause.
Well, here's to me the clearest example and
maybe I take this one a little bit
personally, because I was gang raped, not
because I was gang raped in Egypt, it
wouldn't matter, I could have been gang
raped in Timbuktu the fact that you have
these rape gangs, islamic rape gangs, in

(59:02):
the United Kingdom for not one decade, not
two decades, but around three decades, for
30 years, you have allowed Islamic gangs to
rape and persecute young girls in your
country and you have lied about it and
covered it up, and you still call them

(59:23):
grooming gangs.
Right.
Are you out of your mind?
And I even spoke to someone from the uk the
other day who said well, you know it's.
It's partly because these were poorer
families, you know, and they didn't.
You know, they were a little bit
intimidated because of the mass islamic

(59:43):
populations that moved into these areas in
the north of eng, birmingham and these
places and they didn't have the confidence
to challenge it.
And I was like, isn't it more because your
leaders and your law enforcement didn't
want to?

John (59:56):
hear about it the police leadership and the
local leadership and the national
leadership.

Lara (01:00:02):
They didn't want to hear about it Because,
oh, you'll be Islamophobic, right, right,
yep, you're anti-islam, you're a bigot,
you're a racist, you're full of hate, right,
and?
And that's something.
Let's just dispense with that, because,
having lived in the islamic world, having
spent many years in islamic countries and
having you know a plethora of very
important people in my life who are Muslim

(01:00:23):
to this day, I bear absolutely no ill will
to Muslim people.
I mean, I have nothing but love in my heart
for many of the people that I know, and I
have had many years and I've learned and
found things in those societies that I love

(01:00:46):
and respect.
But I'm not going to take a knee, I'm not
going to bend over.
You know what I mean.
It's like I found things in those places
that I didn't agree with at all.
In fact, you know what.
This is a good moment to take a look at a
video that's kind of hard to watch, that
was on X.
This is a good moment to take a look at a

(01:01:07):
video that's kind of hard to watch, that
was on X, that addresses one aspect, claims
to address an aspect of Sharia law called
halala, which is where, under Sharia, as
you know, a man can divorce his wife by
saying three times I divorce you, I divorce
you, I divorce you.
I think it actually applies both ways.
Is that right?
Yeah, but then if he wants to remarry his

(01:01:30):
wife, so it sounds like they had a fight
and now he wants her back.

John (01:01:35):
There's this weird thing where the woman
has to have sex with another man, she has
to remarry another man, have sex with him,
and then they need to divorce for her to
remarry her original husband.

Lara (01:01:47):
Which is one of these archaic Well.

John (01:01:50):
Sharia is barbaric, has no place in
civilized world, but that's normative
Sharia.
I mean.
Someone leaves Islam you kill them.
Someone commits adultery you kill them.
Someone's a homosexual you kill them.
Somebody who doesn't convert to Islam,
submit to Islamic law and pay the
non-Muslim poll tax you kill them.

Lara (01:02:10):
And not just kill them.
For women countless women stoned to death
in Saudi Arabia, afghanistan, other places
for these kind of crimes, and then, of
course, the acid attacks that take place
all across the Western world where young
girls have Many people have never even
heard of that, which is where, if you're
considered to have dishonored the family,

(01:02:31):
like you, don't want to be forced into
marrying someone, very often someone much
older than you, right, right, you've
dishonored the family.
So your own family, your own brothers and
father, have a Duty, A duty, an Islamic
duty to sometimes kill you and otherwise
deface you, which is to melt your face off
with acid as a matter of fact, Islamic law

(01:02:54):
specifically prescribes that mothers and
fathers can kill their children or
grandchildren for any reason they deem fit.

John (01:03:03):
It's how the law reads.
It's very wide open.
So the liars who are the mouthpieces for
the Islamic movement will say things like
oh, the phrase honor killing doesn't even
exist in Islamic doctrine or Islamic
culture.
I'm like, okay, that's true, it doesn't

(01:03:24):
exist in the Quran or Islamic law.
But parents are flat out allowed to kill
their children or grandchildren for any
reason they see.
And that is in the law.
That's verbatim in the law.
I could pull it out and read it to you.
Yeah, it's.

Lara (01:03:38):
I asked a Muslim colleague of mine once in
Afghanistan.
I asked him about that.
I said if your daughter got pregnant with
someone you know, with a man's child,
without your permission, without being
married, what would you do?
And he said, under Islam I would have to

(01:04:00):
kill her.
Yep, and I said, would you be able to do
that?
I said I know you, you're a loving father,
you adore your girls.
I mean, I knew his family.
I said, would you really do that?
And he thought about it.
He took the time and he thought about it
and he said, well, I would have to under

(01:04:21):
Islamic law, but I don't think I could do
it.
I said would you have someone else do it?
And he thought about that and he said I'm
not sure that I could, but I would
definitely banish her and she would never
be seen again.
And that was quite something for me.

(01:04:42):
You know, this is a man that I knew for
years and worked alongside and he really
wrestled with that like it was a.
It was a real option, like the killing your
own child was a real option, you know.
And and another colleague of mine, he went
to pick up, actually, a Taliban commander
that we were interviewing.

(01:05:03):
He picked him up on the border of Pakistan
and Afghanistan and they were very, very
late and he was so angry when he got there
and I said to him what's wrong and he said
come talk to me and he was furious because
the guy was late.
When he got in the car he said I'm sorry
I'm late, but my wife was talking back to
me and I had to break her arm and the whole

(01:05:28):
drive.
Now there's one Muslim man very upset with
another Muslim man for breaking his wife's
arm, you know who didn't believe or support
that at all, in fact someone I really love
him, he's a great friend of mine but and he
was just so offended and angry, you know
about it.
So there is that conflict, right?

John (01:05:49):
So first let me read this.
So this comes out of the UMLS League.
This is section 01.0.
The section is entitled who is Subject to

(01:06:10):
Retaliation.
Section 1.2 states the following are not
subject to retaliation a father or mother
or their fathers or mothers for killing
their offspring or their offspring's
offspring, offspring's offspring period no
qualifiers.
So number one, and I'm just quoting Islam,
that's why I wrote this book, islam's

(01:06:31):
Deception the Truth About Sharia, because
when you read it you understand what Sharia
actually is and what it says.
It's very clear.
What you're talking about is something I
think your audience needs to understand.
This is our human nature wrestling with the

(01:06:54):
reality of Sharia.
You see, because Sharia is barbaric and
counter to natural law and our human nature.
Honored at natural law and our human nature.
And so when you look historically across
the last 1400 years that Islam's been
around, and people will say those times

(01:07:15):
where there was like less jihad or less,
they would say these are periods where the
Muslims were doing, and I'm like no, these
are times when the Western world put the
heel of their boot on the Muslim world and
kept them down and without organized
efforts, movements without Al-Qaeda,

(01:07:38):
without ISIS, without Saudi Arabia and
Qatar and Turkey informing the current
global Muslim population about their duties.
Under Sharia, people drift back to normal
human nature, which is not inclined to kill
their children, not inclined to kill your

(01:08:03):
wife, not inclined to kill non-Muslims.
That's the not.
Now.
You've always had those pockets of people
who continue to adhere to Sharia, that
continue to do these things consistently
throughout history.

(01:08:23):
I did a video, like a 30-minute video on
YouTube called the Continuum of Jihad,
where I just take you from Muhammad to
today and when you look historically,
there's a continuum of jihad throughout
history.
So the reason is, when Sharia does not have

(01:08:45):
organized efforts over a period of a
century, like we've had now, a century of
the Muslim Brotherhood, and then what grows
out of that?
Right, because you can track it the Muslim
Brotherhood gets started.
They're literally changing things in Egypt
in the 30s and the 40s.
They're killing British soldiers that are
in Egypt the 40s.
They're killing British soldiers that are

(01:09:06):
in Egypt at the time.
They're killing judges that are not
adjudicating Sharia.
That's what's going on.
And then they start spreading into Europe
in the 50s, why?
Because they get this leader.
They get leaders in Egypt that are like,
hey, we need to put our foot on the Muslim

(01:09:26):
Brotherhood because they're ruining our
ability to actually like some of these
countries.
Egypt is a great example that always
naturally tends towards trying to deal with
the Western world.
Countries like Jordan and Egypt have
historically battled this Turkey did, but

(01:09:47):
now Turkey is jihadi controlled.

Lara (01:09:49):
I mean Erdogan will likely be the caliph,
but even Afghanistan even Afghanistan, when
you look back you know, when you see, I
mean, I knew a family who had history of
working in the Afghan airlines and I saw
the photographs of the air stewardesses,
you know, in their cute little mini skirts,
and there's lots of photographs you can
find of Kabul and these other places that

(01:10:10):
were, you know, that were, uh, completely
and utterly different to the way they are
today.
They've gone back in time.

John (01:10:17):
Right.

Lara (01:10:19):
Even by their own standards, they've gone
back in time.
And of course you know, I know just a
plethora of Muslim people close to me who
are wonderful family fathers, who would
never in a million years harm their
children.
That's right, but they create this conflict

(01:10:39):
for them that you have to choose between
your human decency and your.
you know how the faith is prescribed.
Because their faith, how the system, how
the system forces, how the civilization
enforces the faith right, because their
faith is strong.
In fact, I think in some ways that it even
strengthened my own faith in I'm a

(01:11:02):
christian, but it strengthened my own faith
A lot of the Muslims I worked with over the
years when we would have philosophical
conversations about God.
So when you just talk about God and about
those sort of godly principles, there's a
universality to them.
I'm not one of those people that says
everyone in the world is the same, because
I have sat with, for example, in Gaza and

(01:11:25):
in the West Bank.
I've sat with mothers who are celebrating
the death of their child as a martyr and
are offering up others and I'm like, okay,
yeah, that's like no, I mean no.

John (01:11:39):
Unrelatable to most decent human beings.
No, we're not the same.

Lara (01:11:42):
We're not the same and I understand how you
got there.
I understand that.
I'm not judging you for that.
I'm just saying we're not the same because
there's nothing on earth that's going to
get me to that.
I'm not giving you my child to blow
themselves to pieces for anything.
I'm not doing it.
I'll fight, but give me another way, right,

(01:12:02):
that's.
But you know, give me another way, right,
but that's it.
That's never happening.
I don't know any other.
I don't know a mother in America who's
going to do that do you?
no, no.
So this idea that we're all the same is is
not true, but I have.
But of course there's.
There's universal principles that live and
breathe in all of us, that unite us all as

(01:12:24):
human beings.

John (01:12:24):
That's right, see, and that right there is
really key, I think, for your listeners and
viewers to understand is that I also worked
with US-based Afghanis who then, at the
behest of me, when I was at a FBI agent,

(01:12:47):
because of their access, could literally go
overseas and go into, you know, give us
information on weapons and money caches for
Al-Qaeda and safe houses, because they were
known in the community and you know as much

(01:13:14):
as I understand how Sharia is applied and
what it is.
It is very, very difficult, because of the
level of deception, to really discern
someone's true nature who's a Muslim, and
this is what makes it very difficult true
nature who's a Muslim, and this is what
makes it very difficult.
But it's important for people to hear what
you just said that everyone who
self-identifies as a Muslim is not a threat,
but normative and universal teachings of

(01:13:37):
Islam are naturally barbaric and
revolutionary against liberty.
So once you understand that those people
advocating Sharia and adhering to Sharia,
that puts them on the line and over the
line for being the threat.

(01:13:57):
Over the line for sure.
What I share with people is, especially
with Christians.
So I'm not even loving your enemy, just
loving your fellow man.
If you understand Sharia and you're out
there saying no real Islam is good, you're
part of the problem, because then the

(01:14:19):
children and the men and women trapped in
Islam, because Islam requires those who
leave Islam to be killed, you're actually
piling on.
You're one of those nitwits, like the
people who told Ronald Reagan oh, don't
call the Soviet Union evil, that's just
going to create tension.
He's like they're evil.
And when he said that it rattled the cages

(01:14:42):
of the prisons in the Soviet Union with the
dissidents.
When we speak truth about how barbaric and
evil Sharia is, those men and women and
those children who want to get out but are
scared, you're rattling the cages that
they're trapped in.
And if you actually love people, then you
can't support that system that naturally

(01:15:04):
kills, destroys, enslaves.
You can't.

Lara (01:15:08):
No, it's funny because I've had many
conversations with Muslim friends of mine.
I spent five years living in Baghdad.
I spent years living in Afghanistan.
I spent a lot of time in the Palestinian
territory, so there's no shortage.
I have a lot of friends and a lot of
experiences, indian territory, so there's
no shortage of you know, I have a lot of
friends and a lot of experiences.
Well, and what you know, what they would
tell me, is that, for example, in in Sharia,

(01:15:31):
it even describes like you can keep a whip
on the wall and you can use that to beat
your wife under certain, certain
circumstances.
And you know different levels of beating
for different levels of offenses.
And, of course, I would have these
conversations with them because I would say
you know you can't hit your wife.
And they would say, no, I can't, it's in

(01:15:51):
the Quran.
And I would say, but okay, but it's wrong,
and you still can't do it.
And they'd be like, well, you know, I just
hit her a little bit.
Allah says they can.
Yeah, I just hit her a little bit, a little
bit.
Allah says they can.
Yeah, I just hit her a little bit.
It's the problem.
This is a very basic thing here that is in
opposition to US culture and norms and

(01:16:12):
freedoms in fact, across the Western world.
And I remember when I interviewed after
Afghanistan, after the Taliban fell and the
new government was in place, I interviewed
the minister for women and she told me flat
out in the interview I'll never forget this
she said more than 80% of Afghan women are
beaten by their husbands.

(01:16:32):
More than 80%.
Which is one of the things that prompted
the conversations I would have with my team
and my friends.
It was do you beat your wife?
That became a thing I would throw in at the
end of every interview in Afghanistan with
any guy.
I'd be like do you beat your wife?
That became a thing I would put throw in at
the end of every interview in Afghanistan
with any guy.
I'd be like do you beat your wife?
And once I was in the valley up in the
north and with all these tribal elders they

(01:16:52):
came from all of the very famous valley,
very well known, never been conquered, and
and I, uh, I was with an ODA team of green
berets and they said to me you know, they
introduced me and, of course, they were
welcome.
You know, do you have any questions?
I was like I was not expecting to talk, so
I did not have any questions.
So like no, no, no, ask a question.

(01:17:13):
So I said, okay, do you beat your wives?
They all said yes, like 60 or 70 tribal
elders in Afghanistan, and they were
holding up their sticks and showing me the
sticks that they used to beat them with.
And you know this is not was not
controversial in that valley the concept of
it and um, and the honesty of it.

(01:17:33):
So, and the reason I I raise this is that I
think people read a lot of stuff online,
you know, and they're scared to ask
questions.
They're scared to talk about certain things,
but to understand what Sharia law really
can be at times and to understand how
brutal it is, I do think that's an

(01:17:54):
important part of the conversation.
That's why I want to show this video that I
mentioned about Halala, where a man who's
divorced his wife now wants to remarry her,
but she has to have sex with another man.
That's what the gentleman who posted this
video how he described it, and and he says

(01:18:14):
that they often choose older men, which
would be, for obvious reasons, some people
may find this hard to watch.
I will say that it should come with a
warning.
I found it hard to watch, in fact it's
haunted me.
So there's the wife supposedly, as reported,

(01:18:34):
she's the wife and he's just divorced her.
Has reported she's the wife and he's just
divorced her.
Now it appears he wants.
What the guy says is that he wants to marry
her again.
So now she's got to have sex with this guy.

(01:19:09):
I hate how you can hear the children in the
background, but anyway.

John (01:19:12):
Yeah, that's it.
Well, I mean, that's a real part of Islamic
law, that concept that in order for you to
remarry your wife, that woman has to marry
someone else, have sex with them, divorce
them and then she can remarry you.
And you just have to look at like for the

(01:19:32):
women in America that stand up and defend
Islam.
I mean, just how divorced from reality can
you be, the brutality, not just against
women, against humanity.
I mean, there's a 1,400-year track record

(01:19:55):
of Islam.
What did Christianity bring to the world?
I don't know.
Marriage, universities, medicine.
What did Islam, you know, bring to the
world?
Killing, rape, enslavement.
You know who ran the.

(01:20:16):
You know I love when my friends want to
talk about the.
You know well, america had slaves too, yeah,
and who was running the slave trade?
Muslims in Africa.
How about that?
Did you know that?
No, just pass them a little history.
And, by the way, we got rid of slavery here
Because the ideal for how America was
supposed to be, the declaration, the weight

(01:20:36):
of the Declaration, forced the obliteration
of slavery here in America.
But Sharia ensures it will always continue,
because it's a part of Sharia.

Lara (01:20:47):
Okay, but the Persians would argue that
they brought many advancements to humanity
and libraries, and they will argue that I'm
sure they will and they will also say that
Christians also killed humanity and
libraries, and you know.

John (01:21:02):
They will argue that I'm sure they will,
and they will also say that Christians also
killed.
They invented the exclamation point and you
know algebra and all these other things.
What you'll find is most of the things they
claim credit for were non-Muslims under the
Islamic State working those things.

Lara (01:21:17):
Well, they would also argue that Christians
were also brutal.
It wasn't just the Muslims that were brutal
in battle.

John (01:21:24):
Right but Christian.
So, for instance, if Christians in battle
did something that violated the reason that
they were fighting under just war, for
instance.
Those were many of them.
We have the records.
They were excommunicated.

Lara (01:21:40):
Well, the Romans would put people line the
roads with human beings and then like them.

John (01:21:47):
But those weren't Christians, meaning the
Romans.

Lara (01:21:51):
Well, what about?
People will say what about the Crusades?

John (01:21:54):
Well, I love that.

Lara (01:21:56):
So, here's a great example.
I had a feeling you might.

John (01:21:58):
When I was in Iowa speaking, and right in
the front row there were the jihadis and
the communists sitting almost alternate
next to each other.
Yeah, and it was beautiful because it
always comes up.
Yeah, what about the Crusades?
I'm like you know, ma'am, thank you for
asking what about the Crusades?

(01:22:19):
Tell me, what do you know about the
Crusades?
Well there's Christians, but what do you
know?
Okay, so let me just ask you when did the
Crusades begin?
She wasn't even within five centuries, not
even within five centuries.
And I said who ordered the first Crusade,
and why did they do it?
No clue.
And I'm like ordered the first crusade, and

(01:22:40):
why did they do it?
No clue.
And I'm like, see, this is beautiful,
because you're so ignorant and you're just
spouting talking points from your Muslim
Brotherhood colleagues who are sitting
right there in the back of the room,
because I knew who they were, but you're
just regurgitating it.
But let's dissect.
This First crusade was ordered by Pope
Urban in 1095.
Well, when did the first jihad start?

(01:23:03):
Well, oh, I don't know.
490 plus years earlier.
And so, at the request of Christians who
were being killed, unable to get to the
Holy Land, jerusalem, the Holy Land,
jerusalem, we had a crusade.
Yes, and if you look at the crusade battle
map again, thanks to my buddy, bill Warner,

(01:23:25):
that's available online starting in the
early 600s the first jihad, 622, and going
forward to today, consistent jihad and you
look at that little 160-some year time of
very small number of crusade battles,

(01:23:46):
that's it.
And yet they compare, they make the two
equal, just like they say, like you were
talking about earlier, this thing is the
same and it's not the same.
This thing is the same, it's not the same.
So when individuals who call themselves
Christians do things that are evil and
contrary to Christian doctrine, that's not

(01:24:07):
a different version of Islam or of
Christianity, that's counter.
And the Holy See excommunicated soldiers
that did things like the Holy See
excommunicated soldiers that did things
like stealing, rape, killing innocent
people.
That should be on the record.
But just because someone does something
that's evil, whether they're punished for
it or not, doesn't reflect Christian

(01:24:29):
doctrine.
Right, the two great commandments still
stand Love God, love neighbor, love your
enemies, love your enemies.
That concept, there's no concept like that
in Islam.
The doctrine of Islam is the purpose of
Islam is to wage war against non-Muslims,
to establish a global Islamic state under
Sharia Period.

(01:24:50):
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That's what we have to do.

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How bad is it now in the United States?
Let's start with.
You mentioned John Brennan.

(01:26:48):
What's John Brennan's?

John (01:26:49):
relationship to this.
Well, I was the first one to report that,
while he was the head of the CIA, the
station chief in Saudi Arabia, john Brennan,
said the Shahada in the presence of Mubarak,
saudi intelligence and other government
officials.
And the Shahada, you have to explain that.
So the Shahada is what takes a non-Muslim

(01:27:12):
to becoming a Muslim.
So you've got some problems there.
So people argued with me first of all, how
do you know this?
Well, because I have people that were there
that are aware of it and I was attacked
internationally on CNN and others that say
I'm claiming.
You know, I was attacked for claiming.

(01:27:35):
You know, alan Combs, when we interviewed
on Fox News, attacked me oh, you've claimed
all this crazy stuff.
And I'm like, okay, and I actually.
Why I enjoyed Alan Combs is because he was
a hippie liberal.
He wasn't a commie liberal.
So even though on camera he had that
friction, I really liked him a lot because

(01:27:59):
he was a soft-hearted individual.
He wasn't a communist, and so those are the
kind of people even when we had friction I
had, you know, at least he was standing up
for what he believed he was not.
I would tell him well, alan, you're just,
that's not true, but it's okay, I would

(01:28:19):
tell him.
Well, alan, that's not true, but it's okay.
Anyway, later another station chief from
the CIA retired and then he came out
publicly and said it was widely known that
John Brennan had converted to Islam in the
CIA headquarters Widely known, he's like.

(01:28:40):
I knew that while I was still in.
So I'm not sure what the controversy is and
now nobody cares.
But at the time I took a pretty good
beating for it and I thought the reason it
was important is because he converted to
Islam, number one which I could argue as
the station chief of the CIA.
It's problematic.

(01:29:02):
More importantly, he did it in front of
Saudi intelligence officers, which looks to
me to be a recruitment, which means he was
likely a Saudi asset.
Now Well, you at least have to ask that
question, but he was never asked because,
as you know my feeling on this, we don't
have a functional counterintelligence
apparatus in the United States.
I would argue we haven't had one for a long

(01:29:25):
time, but it certainly has never been what
it should be.

Lara (01:29:32):
Well, we have an entire I won't say their
name because it gets people hot under the
collar but we have an entire military unit
whose job is counterintelligence.
I mean people think counterintelligence is
the FBI.
I mean that's not the real US
counterintelligence, it's become that.
But when I saw people like Peter Stroke and

(01:29:53):
that at the FBI counterintelligence doing
what they were doing, I was like, well, we
don't have to worry because we've got those
other guys and they're surely doing their
job.
I mean, over the years I've encountered
let's just put it that way I've encountered
people that work in that world and many the
ones I know are real patriots.

(01:30:13):
But when Russia collusion started I was
like, oh well, those boys have got this
right Because they know this is crap and I
knew it.
When I read the Steele dossier I knew it
was paid for disinformation.
You could tell they didn't have any
firsthand sources.
Just to start with, right it wasn't.

John (01:30:28):
And then the whole way it was handled and
the way it was described the people who
created it admitted it was unverifiable
because they knew it was a lie.
Right, they made it up.
But that didn't stop the FBI director and
the deputy director for sending it to the
FISA court and approving it Correct and
then getting reauthorization for it, or

(01:30:50):
stop Brennan bringing it to the White House
and bringing it to Congress, attaching it
to the bottom of his report.

Lara (01:30:57):
Or stop John McCain, by the way, from
marching it over to the FBI because he had
a duty.
I mean, please, what a duty as a traitor.
So I've watched over the years thinking,
okay, so those guys, they got this right,
they must be doing something.
But you saw Russia collusion go on and on
and on throughout the Trump years, and it

(01:31:18):
was.
He just got worse and worse and worse, with
one lie after another, mcninsky act and the
trump tower meeting, all these faked,
manufactured crises.
I mean you saw it on.
You know, I don't want to go down that
rabbit hole, but on january 6th and so I
mean there's like there's a, there's just a
plethora of examples that you can use, and
these guys, guys, have been absent.
So I know why I'm concerned about this, but

(01:31:43):
tell me why you are.

John (01:31:45):
Well, because the nature of the war is
primarily subversive.
It's the counterintelligence, so it's total
war.
So the first, the communist movement, the
Islamic movement.
Their understanding of warfare is total war.
Jihad is not just swords, guns, bombs.

(01:32:06):
That's the smaller part of it, just like
the communists, the bigger part of the
total war is espionage, counterintelligence,
propaganda, economic warfare, psychological
operations, propaganda, economic warfare,
psychological operations, subverting the
key institutions education, religious
institutions, the media, the government,
the political institutions, the security

(01:32:28):
institutions, cultural yeah, and through
that and again.
For them, one of the big cultural
penetrations is of the religious
institutions.
Them, one of the big cultural penetrations
is of the religious institutions.
That's all part of their warfare.
And for them, for both movements,
everything is if it advances their movement,

(01:32:48):
it's game, there is no nothing's out of
bounds.
Well, in America, most Americans, I believe,
are very naive, I would argue, most
generals, most colonels very naive about
warfare.
They don't understand.
If you understand, for instance, the

(01:33:08):
Quranic concept of war, then you understand
their defeat mechanism, what will make them
stop, what Brutal defeat.
And my argument has been since, I would
argue, I started this in 2004,.
Really pushing this is, if we do not,

(01:33:30):
certainly by 2005, if we do not deal with
them now, the level of violence we will
have to inflict will be so much greater.
In other words, we had many more options in
2004 than we do today.
Today, violence is almost the last option
that we are going to need.

(01:33:50):
We are going to have to bring to bear so
much violence against the Islamic world and
I don't believe America has very many
leaders.
I believe there are a lot of warriors who
understand it because they dealt with it.
They're willing to do the kind of violence
that's going to have to be brought to

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actually win the war.
But violence alone is not going to do it,
is it?
No, because you have to not only vanquish
the enemy and this brings up the point
Right now, americans again, just like in
2016, 17,.
They're complacent.
They're like, oh, Mr Trump's in office, we
can sit back and watch the show and do

(01:34:33):
nothing, yeah, and do nothing.
Well, those people that believe that are
fools and suicidal.
I believe, because, while I believe and
this is my professional opinion what is
happening right now is important to restore
the Republic economically, financially.

(01:34:54):
What they're doing securing borders,
vetting out and tossing out people that are
treasonous and hopefully they'll, once we
get, god willing, get back the Department
of Justice that's functional, if it's
possible, then start prosecuting traitors
and criminally pursuing these things.

(01:35:17):
But this war's not gonna be won in the
courts alone.
All those things are good.
No war in the history of mankind has ever
been won by changing issues and fixing
policies.
Wars are won by identifying and vanquishing
enemies, and so far that hasn't been done
in the last five administrations.

Lara (01:35:37):
So what do you see now in the Trump
administration?

John (01:35:44):
As far as going after the enemies yes,
pursuing enemies who are inside the system.
They seem to be identifying them and
getting them out of the system, but they
are not recognizing one.
This is a real war with identifiable
enemies who have doctrine, strategy, lines

(01:36:05):
of operation and massive networks.
Those networks need to be dismantled Now.
Hard to dismantle them without a functional
DOJ.
But when you actually recognize you're in a
real war, with hostile foreign powers using
US-based proxies to wage those wars, like

(01:36:27):
the entire prominent Islamic network and
there are thousands of chapters here I mean
the Muslim Student Association alone has
over a thousand chapters on US colleges and
universities, and then all of the offshoots
from that Students for Justice in Palestine,
hamas, mgage, hamas all these other groups
that come with many names, once you

(01:36:51):
recognize you're at war and you legally
acknowledge that the Constitution unleashes
all kinds of powers that we can wage
against these organizations, including
violence that we can bring to bear on those
people.
We can shut them down, we can take their
money, we can lock up all of their leaders.
I mean we can seize their property All

(01:37:11):
these things that we should be doing right
now.
The adversary knows this, but now that they
have people in the trump administration
that are being treated as, uh, allies.
Well, now they're trying to figure out.
Well, maybe we don't need to go violent yet

(01:37:31):
so okay, wait.

Lara (01:37:33):
uh, who are the people within the trump
administration?

John (01:37:35):
Well, you just named the ambassador to
Kuwait.
Who is that?
America Lee, he's a jihadi.
You've got the new US attorney for Los
Angeles, asseili.
He's Muslim Brotherhood.
You had the you know Sophia Farouk, who
just in the last week, thanks to they
reached out to me, cobb County, and I

(01:37:56):
provided them with information.
But they were already.
They had already had people do great work
at the ground level.
Who was she?
So she was running for the GOP chair for
Cobb County, georgia, and she's the
granddaughter of, you know, mao Dudi, who
was arguably one of the two or three most

(01:38:19):
prominent Muslim Brotherhood Islamic
scholars of the entire 20th century, who
created Jamaati Islami.
That was her grandfather, who she says, she
lauds and she identifies as a Muslim who
lauds her jihadi grandfather and all these
people, including Georgianian.
What was the group?

(01:38:39):
Georgia veterans for making him?
You know, making america great, or some
group, I don't.
I can't remember the name of them.
Uh, they were all behind her and she lost.
But she lost, uh, it wasn't by a wide
margin, and this is I mean when you have a
jihadi like that.
Why?
Because she's attractive, because she's a

(01:39:02):
conservative Republican?
Why?
Because she said so?
But what if she?

Lara (01:39:06):
is.
I mean?
How do you know?
She's not just because of her grandfather.

John (01:39:10):
Because she lauds him and she does it.
But you also look at here's.
It's easy to say, oh, you're the leader of
this mosque or this organization that we
know is hostile.
Why?
Because of who owns you, because of the
history, of how it was formed all that.
But you have a whole line of effort and
this comes to what you and I talked about

(01:39:32):
off air is the modus operandi of the
Islamic movement.
Because of that, we know their modus
operandi, we know how they work.
So you take that template and you put it on
someone like a Sali or Sophia Farouk and
they line up perfectly.
That's the problem.

(01:39:52):
You don't know, you might not know 100%,
and that's the counterintelligence.
Ask someone who's actually worked
counterintelligence.
I don't know.
Maybe you know someone right who's actually
worked in that field and has done it and
operated against counterintelligence

(01:40:12):
officers from foreign countries and from
hostile organizations.
You rarely know 100%.
So what you do is you're like, yeah,
there's a high degree of certainty, or a
pretty good certainty, that they are an
agent of this hostile foreign powers.
So now that I know that we need to figure a

(01:40:36):
way to box them out or we need to operate
against them, so can I say with her, I
would say a hundred percent, because she's
not only she, she lines up right with that.
People have challenged me and people that I
know and respect they're like there's no
way, this guy I mean this guy's a nice guy
I'm like I've been saying since 2003 or

(01:40:56):
four.
When you're in a room with Muslims, the
nicest guy in the room is the most
dangerous guy.
John, how do you know that?
Because they publish doctrine that explains
and trains them how to approach the
non-Muslim community.
Always quietly, nice, soft language.
The nicest guy is always the most dangerous

(01:41:18):
guy.
But I will also say because we have an
intelligence network and because I was the
first guy in the government to teach on
this stuff, because I created the first
training program in the government, because
myself and my colleague who, rich higgins,
recruited out of the Joint Chiefs working
for General Pace when he was the chairman,

(01:41:40):
and we were the only two on the planet to
predict and brief to members of Congress
that there was about to be, in the next 60
to 90 days this was in October, November,
2010, a Muslim Brotherhood revolution that
would begin in Egypt and it would spread
and it would go to places like Syria and it
wouldn't go because of the Iranian

(01:42:02):
influence.
We laid it all out and it has transpired
exactly how Steve Coughlin and I briefed it.
Why Not?
Because I always say Steve Coughlin
probably is one of the most smartest guys
in the country, but I'm just a jarhead, I'm
just a regular old gumshoe FBI investigator

(01:42:23):
case agent.
I was never any highfalutin leader in the
FBI, I just followed the facts, followed
where the facts led, and the reality is is
I've got bona fides Right People.
I can point to it and others can point to
it for me.
And the reason I'm able to do that is
because when you understand the network,

(01:42:46):
their modus operandi and the doctrine they
follow, now add onto that the intelligence
network that we have here in the United
States.
We know that they keep shifting and
shifting.
So when they were, the whole moderate
Muslim movement was a complete fraud.

(01:43:06):
So all these people well, it wasn't a fraud,
it was part of their operation line of
operation.

Lara (01:43:11):
It's like moderate Taliban.
Yeah, moderate Taliban.
Yeah, so you know, you still believe in
killing women just for showing their face?
Oh, yeah, right, they don't exist.

John (01:43:24):
Right.
So you know the Zutty Jassers, the Raheel
Raujas, the Kanta Ahmeds, all these people,
they are part of the Islamic movement.
The Bonnie Rubens yeah, they're all part of
the Islamic movement Zoma and Khalilayn and
this may be a point to take a deep breath
and explain this to your audience, because
I think this is one of the most important

(01:43:47):
aspects of their modus operandi.
From a military or intelligence background,
it's a splinter operation.
So you are the perfect person to share with
your audiences, because you've had all
these practical experiences of watching

(01:44:08):
suit wearing guys and asking them so, do
you agree with Osama bin Laden?
Well, yeah, of course I agree with what he
was fighting for.
I just think his tactics and the timing of
them they were too soon or whatever, but of
course I agree with that.
Are you okay with killing women?
For, oh, of course right, but you're so
nice and you wear a suit.

(01:44:28):
We hear it all the time from pastors, from
national security advisors oh, no, you
don't know, john, they're really nice,
they're helping us.
Oh, are they?
Let's dissect that.
And, of course, when you dissect it, you
really they're not helping you.
They're regurgitating information they
already knew you had and serving it up to
you in a way that you thought it was them

(01:44:48):
helping you.
But anyway, let's back.
So splinter operation.
Here's how it works After 9-11, the leaders
of known Hamas, muslim Brotherhood
organizations, care, isna, icna, muslim

(01:45:09):
American Society, muslim Student
Associations they show up on TV in suits
and CNN is kissing their butts, and later
Fox and they say, yeah, those guys and of
course it's easy when you're showing some
Taliban guy or Al-Qaeda guy on the
battlefield with an AK-47, oh, those guys,
they're horrible.
And we reject and denounce all terrorism,
which actually they do, because under
Sharia, terrorism is killing a Muslim

(01:45:30):
without right.
Let me say that again Under Islam, islamic
law, terrorism is killing a Muslim without
right.
So they do reject terrorism.
But who are the terrorists under Sharia?
The American and British troops.
They're terrorists because they're killing
Muslims without rights under Sharia.

(01:45:52):
When can you kill a Muslim under Sharia?
Well, when they leave Islam, when they
commit adultery.
You see the point point.
But you have to understand sharia to know
this, because you don't really know what
they're saying.
Right, they are literally.
You have to translate english to english
through the filter of sharia.
So when they say we want human rights for

(01:46:12):
everyone and we want to end terrorism, they
do.
Do.
They want to end Muslims being killed for
reasons outside of Sharia and they want
human rights.
Well, they legally to the world said human
rights in the Cairo Declaration to the
whole world, served to the UN in 1993, the

(01:46:32):
entire Muslim world, at the head of state
and king level.
They said we understand human rights to
mean Sharia.

Lara (01:46:40):
So, john, so you understand.
So let me finish this thought here, okay.

John (01:46:43):
So suit wearing guys calling the Taliban
and Al Qaeda bad.
So we now, we look to them and then, as it
becomes more and more well-known that these
are Hamas, muslim Brotherhood organizations,
and walk the moderate Muslims.
Oh, the Zutty Jassers testifying before
Congress.
Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood's bad Care is

(01:47:05):
bad.
And for people that want to accuse me of
you don't understand Zutty Jasser, well, I
met with Zutty Jasser, who's Zutty Jasser.
Zutty Jasser.
Oh, he's, some would argue, the leading
moderate Muslim in America, and I knew him
when he was still having a psychological
breakdown because he grew up with.

(01:47:29):
If his story is true and I believe it is
about how his parents raised him they
taught him to be a good human being, to be
a decent citizen yeah, but what they didn't
teach him was what Islam.
So he thought Islam was what his parents
taught, which wasn't.

(01:47:50):
And so when he got older and now he started
to speak out and he had Muslim leaders
coming to him like hey, zutty out.
And he had Muslim leaders coming to him
like hey, zutty.
And I can remember the day in a coffee shop,
in a Starbucks in Georgetown, washington DC,
with a very senior government official, me
and Zutty, and we had this conversation.

(01:48:10):
The point of this was Zutty ended it by
looking at me and going well, you
understand Islam better than I do, and I'm
like that's right.
That's why you shouldn't be talking about
it, because you're confusing people that
don't understand.
Well, then he took a very different tact
Okay, different story and then he publicly,
on Glenn Beck's show, attacked me and some
of my colleagues, like Robert Spencer and

(01:48:32):
Pam Geller and others.
So he's batting for the other team, but
he's continuing this.
So now you have the moderates calling out
care and the Muslim Brotherhood, and so now
he looks like right splintered off.
Then we go to where we are now.
Now it's the conservative Republicans

(01:48:54):
waving the flag, talking about tax cuts and
defending the declaration of the
Constitution, people like Sophia Farouk
Asseli and others.
Now, when they first tried to go down that
road, there was an organization, muslims
for America.
Their website was red, white and blue.

(01:49:15):
It was a mom and her two sons and daughter
and man.
They were red, white and blue.
It was a mom and her two sons and daughter
and man, they were red, white and blue.
We're Republicans in Colorado and they
started at the state level and I was
already working in Colorado.
So senior leaders came to me and they're
like what do you think?
I'm like it's an op and they're bad.
And of course, I gave all the information

(01:49:35):
to the people that need to know.
They started to chip away.
Of course I gave all the information to the
people that need to know.
They started to chip away.
And so how did these Muslims respond?
Well, by kind of going full jihad,
revealing they were actually not only
Democrat, but they're actually Sharia

(01:49:55):
adherent Muslims.
So now, what are they doing?
Now they're full-blown concert, now they're
taking the full tack.
So around the united states, at the local
and state level, they are running muslims
for public office wearing red, white and
blue, flying the flag, and it is complete,
and they're.
But they're openly muslim and a hundred
percent.
You find me one.
That's not bad.
And people argue, people that I know
they're like.

(01:50:15):
No, you don't understand.
I know this guy I'm like, and how do you
know?
Well, because he told me Well, that's
unprofessional, that's an unprofessional
assessment.

Lara (01:50:23):
What about people like Ilan?

John (01:50:24):
So the guy who robbed the bank told you he
didn't do it.
Yeah, so you get back in your car and you
go back to the office.
Try well, he didn't do what about people
like Ilhan Omar.
Oh, she's flat out overt.
I mean, her dad ran intelligence for
Somalia.
Come on, I mean she is a full-blown overt

(01:50:45):
op.

Lara (01:50:46):
There's nothing covert about her.
What about the Attorney General of
Minnesota, keith Ellison?
He's Hamas.
He's Hamas.
Yeah, I know.
You've said that publicly.
You've said he's a Hamas leader.
He denies it.

John (01:50:59):
Well, is he a Hamas leader?
Let me say he works with the senior Hamas
leadership in the United States and has
private meetings with them.
So for anybody that wants complete clarity,
how's that?
You do your own assessment what that means
to you and why is he having private,
off-the-books meetings with Hamas leaders
in the United States?

(01:51:19):
Well, I would argue, based on the
information I have, he's doing it to
strategize with them and there's no
evidence he's not.

Lara (01:51:28):
Well, and I will say first, I want to
correct myself.
I'm not sure that he's actually denied what
you've said, but he has said that you're
like a poison and a snake oil salesman
Snake oil salesman salesman yes, but I'm
not, I'm not, I.
I didn't find anywhere where he actually
denied what you said.
However, on the other side of that, I would
say when you say, why would you be having

(01:51:49):
senior meetings with hamas leaders?
Well, there there are instances, you know,
especially in us intelligence.

John (01:51:57):
In whatever way you might meet with, your
adversaries right However to be clear, he
doesn't report these Right?
If I'm a member of Congress and I'm going
to meet with a leader of a designated
terrorist organization, I have to make a
report.
I have to make a report.
Those reports have not been filed.

Lara (01:52:15):
Just for clarity, and even prior to that,
he has a history with the Muslim
Brotherhood.

John (01:52:21):
Yes, he does.
He speaks at their conferences, he overtly
supports them and again, you can go to well,
so have other people, that's right and they
should be.
Cases should be open against these people.
And here's my argument.
Even if you want to say, well, john, you
have to understand this is all I've done

(01:52:41):
for 24 years, so when I say it, I
understand there are people like you can't
just blurt that out.
I can, because I have the background.
However, what I am saying is, if you want
to look at all the leaders, the attorney
generals for the last 20 years, the

(01:53:05):
national security advisors, the presidents
and vice presidents, if you want to argue
and I'm talking about the ones that have
overtly supported the US Muslim Brotherhood
and Islamic movement by speaking at their
conferences, even when they've been advised
not to, because the evidence demonstrates
who they are, and they've still done it,
and they provide official support from
their official offices as attorneys, right,

(01:53:28):
that is a violation of the law and all I'm
saying is, at a bare minimum, a case should
be open against them.
That case should include, at some point,
interviewing them, should include looking
at all of their communications, looking at
their bank records, doing the things that

(01:53:48):
we do in basic investigations to see
exactly how they're supporting these
organizations.
But instead Not just overtly, but instead
nothing.

Lara (01:53:55):
They get security clearances, Yep.
They get access to classified information
and if they're in Congress, like Keith
Ellison, they get appointed to committees
like the Armed Services Committee.
That's right.

John (01:54:06):
And have access to even different layers of
security information.
And now he's the Attorney General of
Minnesota.

Lara (01:54:17):
And, by the way, it is worth noting that he
was appointed after George Floyd's death or
around that time, and he was I have to look
at the timeline there, but oh no, I
remember it very well.

John (01:54:29):
But I will just say we can look it up.
Yeah, I will just say, to kind of back up,
where you're going with this is that the
Muslim Brotherhood doesn't and the Islamic
movement they don't do willy-nilly.
So when he moved from being a member of
Congress to Attorney General, we saw that
as a that's another notch in where they
felt the movement was.

(01:54:50):
They are constantly moving their people
into places and it doesn't mean they have
complete, 100% control.
Sometimes things will happen that they
didn't plan for.
The thing that Americans I think another
key thing that Americans need to understand
which hopefully you understand the
deviousness, the very how well-coordinated

(01:55:12):
these movements are and their activities is
that they don't do willy-nilly, but they
are keeping the Islamic movement in the in
their lane and moving in the direction
where they're going, which is, uh, a
complete revolution to overthrow the
constitutional Republic.

(01:55:33):
And they, because of the fact that most of
the administr cities, which, quite frankly,

(01:56:02):
are most major American cities, is do we
wait or do we go violent?
Now, like it's a lot, there's an argument
among the Muslim community hey, let's just
start flying the Hamas and black flag over
our mosque.
What are we waiting for?
And the brotherhood is like the brotherhood
is kind of saying wait, because we're
making advancements even under the Trump

(01:56:23):
administration.
So those, those are the American people
need to understand, these are the
discussions that they're having.

Lara (01:56:31):
That they're having about when to go from
covert to overt.
Okay, but so maybe you can lay out for me
who are the other key figures currently in
positions of power and authority, who you
have solid evidence are working to
overthrow the US government.

John (01:56:54):
So the leaders of all those organizations,
the key of which the US Council of Muslim
Organizations, which was created in 2014,
is when they stood up and then, once that

(01:57:14):
was stood up again, you're talking about
markers, milestones along the way.
Then, in 2017, the Muslim Brotherhood, in
the form of the International Institute for
Islamic Thought, which is the strategy
center for the Muslim Brotherhood in North
America, they made a formal agreement with

(01:57:36):
the DINET, which was a formal network built
here in the United States.
The term DNN is actually that's like, using
the term Department of State that is an

(01:58:01):
official, constitutionally mandated cabinet
level part of the Turkish government whose
primary purpose is to ensure Sharia
compliance in the Turkish government.
The Diyanet was built here and Erdogan and
Obama met when the cornerstone of the
Diyanet was laid in Atlanta, maryland.
The cornerstone of the DNN was laid in
Atlanta, maryland.

(01:58:22):
That was a hundred plus million dollar
mosque that was stood up.
That is essentially an official Turkish
government entity that was built without
the legal and governmental approvals that
we would normally give an embassy, but we
didn't.
The leader of the DNN, the equivalent of
the secretary of the leader of the DNN, the
equivalent of the Secretary of State, but
for the DNN, remember, their purpose is to

(01:58:45):
ensure Sharia compliance.
He came after all this, after the formal
agreement between the IIIT Muslim
Brotherhood Strategy Center and the DNN,
representative assigned a memorandum of
understanding and then the leader of the

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DNF came and spoke at the actual physical
location in Maryland.
My assessment, and several of my colleagues
completely agree, is that that was the
formal turnover from the Hamas wing of the
Muslim Brotherhood, officially turning over
leadership of the US Muslim Brotherhood to

(01:59:28):
Turkey, to Erdogan.
So that's 2017.
My assessment is that when the caliphate is
declared, he'll be the caliph, is that when
the caliphate is declared, he'll be the
caliph.
Turkey is absolutely lining up across the
world.
Everything they need to reestablish the

(01:59:49):
previous Ottoman Empire, like physically on
the ground, building what they need to
build in conjunction with nation states and
other entities, and when they believe
they're ready, they'll do that.
The purpose of me sharing this is you talk
about.
You asked me about the leadership.
So the leadership of the US DNN, the

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leadership of the US CMO, osama Jamal,
arguably one of the top leaders now.
Nihad Awad, the leader of Council on
American Islamic Relations, is the Hamas
leader in the United States.
Muzamil Siddiqui arguably number one as far
as guiding forces for the US Muslim

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Brotherhood, but the leadership of the
Islamic Circle of North America, the
Islamic Society of North America, muslim
American Society, mgage, are a major player
now because they're being treated by the US
government and by others as a suit-wearing,
friendly Islamic organization.
That's a Hamas organization, like CARES,

(02:00:59):
all the leadership of the Students for
Justice in Palestine and really pretty much
the entire Islamic leadership in Chicago.
And for your viewers that don't know, the
hub for Hamas is in Chicago.
I like to tell people the number two is
Dallas, texas, and when I brief that to

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Texas leadership they fall out of their
chairs.
They're like what I'm like?
Yeah, more jihadi attacks in Texas than any
other state.
The largest terrorism financing trial in
American history, dallas Richardson was the
Holy Land Foundation, by the way.
It was the largest Islamic charity in
America and it was a terrorist organization.
Hamas More jihadi attacks, the hub for

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Hamas number two, dallas.
So these are all investigative clues that
Texas has a problem.

Lara (02:01:50):
Well, dallas is making news right now, not
strictly Dallas, but nearby, in Plano,
texas.
Yeah, so that's great, right.
Where they're Building Epic City?
Well, they already have the East Plano
Islamic Center, which has a massive mosque
a mega mosque, I think they call it with an
Islamic school and so on and so on, where

(02:02:12):
they make Palestinian flags in the
kindergarten class and teach about
Palestine and everything, teach jihad, yeah,
yes.
And where the imam right Qadir.

John (02:02:26):
Yasser Qadir, yeah, yes.

Lara (02:02:28):
Yasser Qadir where he has.
I mean, there's a lot of videos of him
talking about Sharia and talking about
political and cultural revolution and
talking about being the center, the largest
mosque in North America, and there's a lot
of footage you can find easily online
inside the Islamic school little boys doing

(02:02:48):
the Quranic rote learning and the little
girls in full hijab and so on.
And this is backing the construction of the
epic city, which is this mega city, islamic
mega city that's planned.
You know, you can see in the videos this

(02:03:10):
vast plan with all the homes for a thousand
families, 400 plus acres, ranches and
everything else, and this has been in
development for years.

John (02:03:21):
I mean yes, I mean right right now it's in
the news and so there's multiple
investigations that have been launched,
right just in the immediate yeah time
period yes, yeah, by one, by the attorney
general, because citizens rose up and
created quite a ruckus and because citizens,

(02:03:44):
some of whom have been trained by me and my
organization about how to understand this
in the broader threat matrix Not just it's
a bunch of Muslims who want to build a
community.
What's the big deal?
And those people who I think have really
taken heroic action have spent years,

(02:04:08):
certainly the last five plus years,
educating local and state officials,
educating state legislators, slowly over
time, and getting them to understand, many
of whom have been very resistant to this.
But now, for instance, one of the state
legislators this whole epic city is in her
district and she's like what's going on.

(02:04:31):
They're like yeah remember when we came to
talk to you five years ago four years ago,
two years ago and you snubbed us now.
So I'm actually like, whatever it takes now
that your eyes are open, what are you
willing to do?
So, can you?

Lara (02:04:44):
describe, you know, for the average person
out there.
I mean the, you know, the Islamic leaders
involved in this are very careful about
their words.
They say this is, you know, about unity and
this shows how we, you know, Muslim
communities can settle in North America and
they use diversity.
You know, we'll have a diverse community

(02:05:04):
and all the rest of it.
But, from your point of view, with what you
know, when you see a massive development
like this in rural Texas, which is, if
their plan is carried out, that will be
transformed into what is an Islamic city,

(02:05:26):
right, I mean, they say that anyone is
welcome.
Well, but then they, can you imagine them
allowing a synagogue to be built, allowing
Jewish families to settle there?

John (02:05:38):
Right, no, they won't.
That's not part of the plan.

Lara (02:05:40):
So what are they really building?

John (02:05:42):
Well, so you just used the word settle and
I think that is perfect when you read the
Muslim Brotherhood strategic plan that was
discovered in a FBI raid in 2004,.
It was actually the squad I was on at the
time in Annandale, virginia, at the home of

(02:06:05):
or, excuse me, august 2006, in the home of
Ishmael El-Barassi, who was a senior Hamas
operative in the United States, who worked
directly for Moussa Abu Marzouk, who was
the leader of Hamas here at the time, who
is now number two or three for Hamas.

(02:06:26):
He's the political bureau chief for Hamas
and he's been in the news since the October
7th attacks in Israel October 7th attacks
in Israel but of course we didn't keep him
in custody years ago when we had him.
But anyway, in that raid we found archives

(02:06:47):
of the Muslim Brotherhood of North America.
It was a treasure trove.
One of these documents is the strategic
plan and they say that the settlement and
they use the word settlement that the
settlement and they use the word settlement
is a civilization jihadist process and that
they're waging a grand jihad to destroy

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Western civilization from within by their
hands meaning our hands, and the hands of
the believers, meaning the Muslims to
establish an Islamic state under Sharia,
obviously and this is important to
understand what I said earlier in order to

(02:07:32):
understand these little things that are
going on and these big things like building
an Islamic community, you have to
understand it in the perspective of their
doctrine and their strategy and how they do
what they do For them.
This is civilization, jihad.
This is the subversion of our entire system.

(02:07:54):
It's like termites in a house, so that when
they do violence, they don't need a
wrecking ball because the entire structure
of the house has been undermined so that
you can get a 10 year old kid to just push
on it and the whole thing crumbles.
So when they actually do violence, it won't
require the level of violence that people

(02:08:16):
think it will.
So that's how you have to understand this
epic city.
It is the subversion of our system.
It is a part of a war and therefore it has
to be viewed as hostile.
Is it a?

Lara (02:08:35):
command and control center, do you think?

John (02:08:37):
It would be.
I mean, they already have epic, the East
Plano Islamic Center already is.
The US Council of Muslim Organizations
already is.
Islamic Society of North America was the
International Institute for Islamic Thought
already is?
They already have these mosques and maybe
we need to go back to helping your

(02:08:59):
listeners and viewers understand what a
mosque is.

Lara (02:09:03):
A mosque is not a Muslim People think of it
as being like a church or a synagogue.
It is not that.

John (02:09:09):
And this is not me saying this Again when
people say, well, this is your opinion.
No, it's not.
My understanding of Sharia isn't my opinion
If you only use Islamic sources, and that's
why I love using textbooks for 10, 11, 12
year olds in Europe, canada, the United
States.

Lara (02:09:25):
Yeah, because it's so simple, because it's
right there, Don't listen to me anybody
right, I can hand it to your team.

John (02:09:32):
Here you go, teach it, just read out of it.
That's all you gotta do.
So what's confusing?
What's amazing is an 11-year-old, a
10-year-old Muslim student can get it, but
the president of the United States, clinton,
bush, they don't get it.
These really smart people, condoleezza Rice,
right?
Colin Powell, doesn't get it.
John Kerry, hillary Clinton Now you can

(02:09:55):
make an argument that some of those people
knew they were lying.
It doesn't matter, the effect is the same.
What you're doing is advancing a hostile
campaign in a war to destroy the United
States, which means you're standing in the
enemy camp just letting go of mortar rounds

(02:10:17):
in the tube that are landing on people like
you and me who are actually speaking the
truth, explaining this.

Lara (02:10:24):
Some of those people, right, may just want
to be.
I mean, if you're a Muslim who has
immigrated or come here to the United
States, either to fleeing war or asylum or
whatever, or you just came for better
opportunities, whatever, or you just came
for better opportunities, you feel most
comfortable around your own people, right?
So for some of them it's like, well, yeah,

(02:10:44):
I want my kids to go to an Islamic school.
I mean, there's Jewish schools Jewish
people want their kids too.
There's Christian schools Christians want
their kids too.
And so those people provide a really good
cover for what's going on underneath, right?
That's right, because when journalists show

(02:11:04):
up and interview them, they're like well,
you know, I just want to be able to
practice my faith and honor my customs and
that kind of thing, and I love America and
I believe in the Constitution, and we're
not trying to separate ourselves from
American society.
We just want to maintain our traditions,
which, by the way, people all over the

(02:11:27):
world do Italians and Irish, and well, not
the.
Irish anymore, but you know what I mean.
So these are the arguments and they say you
with this jihad nonsense.
This is conspiracy.
This is not true.
You hate Muslims and you're spreading this
poison because you're anti-Islamic.

(02:11:49):
You have no proof of what you say and our
right to practice our religion is protected
by the US Constitution.
I'm a naturalized citizen.

John (02:11:59):
So that's great.
Our right to practice our religion is
protected by the US Constitution.
Yeah, I'm a naturalized citizen.
Yeah, so that's great.
So it's why I wrote this book, which is, if
you just read it, it simply quotes Islamic
law.
It's not me, it's not my personal opinion
number one.
And it's interesting that the journalists
because I've had these conversations with
journalists, even those right here in
Dallas sent them here's who they are,

(02:12:22):
here's the evidence from the largest
terrorism financing trial.
And yet you're writing articles about these
organizations and their leaders and you're
slandering me and they're like, oh, we
didn't know this, nothing.
And I have gotten retractions.

Lara (02:12:38):
When I've gotten attorneys, my attorney, to
call and say, boom, they've retracted, they
backed down, but nobody pays attention to
the retractions, but also what they don't
do, is they don't then investigate that and
report on that?

John (02:12:55):
Because they're part of the problem.
They're part of this.
They are advancing the Islamic movement.
You can name, I mean my goodness, you, I
mean literally on a hand, paul Sperry we're
running out of names now, I mean and then a
lot of now independent folks that have

(02:13:16):
started their own podcasts and blogs and
really you know gateway, pundit and all
these.
But why do I have to?
Why can't I go to ABC, cbs, nbc, cnn, fox
and get it?
You won't hear that anywhere and what
you'll hear is the opposite of the truth.
You'll hear the propaganda being pushed by
the Muslim Brotherhood and the jihadi
movement here, a hundred percent of the

(02:13:38):
time.
What role did Obama play?
Wow, big question.
So let me just to do that.
Let me finish one thought.
When you mentioned, like someone saying, we
want to follow the constitution, we want to
do that, okay.
But I want to go back to when they say it's
just like you know, you want your Christian
thing.
We want to do that, okay.
But I want to go back to when they say it's

(02:13:58):
just like you know, you want your Christian
thing, we want our Muslim thing.
Number one nowhere in Islamic doctrine does
it say Islam is a religion, merely a
religion.
It's a complete way of life governed by
Sharia.
It's a totalitarian system governed by
Sharia, system governed by Sharia.

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Christianity says Christianity has doctrine
right and the guiding principles are love
God, love neighbor.
No such principle exists in Islam.
The principle in Islam is it is the duty of
Muslims to wage war against non-Muslim, to
establish an Islamic state under Sharia
period.
That's it, nothing more complicated than
that.
So what do you?
You know when people say oh, my goodness,

(02:14:47):
this Muslim American society mosque in
Philadelphia.
We've uncovered videos where the children
are singing about chopping the heads off of
infidels.
And I'm like I got interviewed by, like all
of a sudden, these national news.
Can you believe it?
What do you expect them to teach at a
mosque?
They're teaching Islam.

(02:15:08):
That's part of Islam.
What's now you, oh my God.
And?
And did that mosque get shut down?

Lara (02:15:15):
No, Can we get that video?

John (02:15:16):
Was there, yeah, it was there an FBI
investigation?
No, can we get that video?
Yeah, was there an FBI investigation?
No.
Did the Philadelphia police open
investigation?
No, it's a news story and then it's gone.
And I'll tell you, because of the nature of
this war, because of the fact that they

(02:15:39):
have thousands of organizations, these
movements mirror insurgencies here in the
United States and in a counterinsurgency,
the war has to be won at the local level.
It is nice to have a federal government
that hopefully does something productive
and holds back the bad guys.
So at the local level, you can wage the war.
Maybe they push resources, hopefully does

(02:15:59):
something productive and holds back the bad
guys.
So at the local level you can wage the war.
Maybe they push resources, but for 30 years,
what the federal government has been doing
is coming after people like me and citizens
that we train and local officials that I've
never even met that are standing up and
speaking truth.

Lara (02:16:12):
Well, it also doesn't help when the federal
government hands an entire state to an
Islamiclamic terrorist.
Who, who?
Absolutely 100 support dearborn, the twin
cities minneapolis, st paul, oh afghanistan
yeah, we created a terrorist super state,
yeah, which has more terrorists, islamic
terrorist groups than any other place on

(02:16:32):
earth and the us government, the Department,
wrote the constitution for Afghanistan.

John (02:16:39):
By the way, Iraq, which made Sharia the law
of the land, yeah, why?
Because our Islamic advisors also called
jihadis in suits told us that doesn't
matter, Don't worry about that, that's just,
that's their culture.
Well, what you did is you handed we what
was that?
2005,?
Handed on a silver platter, Osama bin Laden,

(02:17:00):
exactly what they were fighting for in
Afghanistan.

Lara (02:17:02):
We did that, which is the headquarters of
the caliphate globally.

John (02:17:05):
That is what the Muslim Brotherhood's
document says.
Their strategy, that's civilization jihad.
By our hand.
They get our leaders to do their bidding
for them, and we've been doing it through
Clinton, through Bush, through obama, even
through trump, through biden it's.
It has just been one but massive failure
after okay.

Lara (02:17:24):
So here's a distinction, then that that
that, I believe, is important to make.
Yes, it's happened throughout, uh,
republican and democrat administrations.
I would argue that it's happening now under
the Trump administration, for very
different reasons.

John (02:17:44):
Agreed.

Lara (02:17:45):
Failure of counterintelligence.
Yes, right, and also you're fighting-.

John (02:17:49):
No idea how to vet people.

Lara (02:17:50):
Right and you're fighting a war on a
million fronts.
Yep Right Plus, your entire administration
is packed with people who are subverting
you.

John (02:17:59):
Yes.

Lara (02:18:00):
And to date no one has been held
accountable for that.
So those who did it the first time around
survived to do it again.

John (02:18:08):
Yep Right, and so that's very different to
the Obama administration providing
resources of the US government money
official using the Office of Secretary of
State, secretary of Defense, attorney
General to literally, I mean the Attorney
General of the United States Loretta Lynch

(02:18:29):
went to these Muslim Brotherhood things.
Jay Johnson, as DHS Secretary, using their
official, the color of their office, to
back terrorists Yep.

Lara (02:18:41):
And what about the Biden administration
actually handing a country?

John (02:18:44):
over to these terrorists on their timeline.
So I agree with you with that On their
timeline.
By the way, that's a fair assessment.

Lara (02:18:50):
And in addition to that, you look at the
situation that you have now.
I mean, when Trump assassinated Qasem
Soleimani of Iran, of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards, iran had been the
number one state sponsor of terrorism
worldwide for more than 15 years I mean

(02:19:14):
recognized by Republican and Democrat
administrations and Qasem Soleimani was
terrorist manager-in-chief and they were
complaining when Trump had him killed.
Yep.
And you come to today where the Trump
administration I think this is perhaps the

(02:19:36):
clearest example of the distinction is that
one of the first things that Trump did when
he took office was order for the $40
million payments from USAID and State
Department right US taxpayer money that
would go into the Taliban to stop Right.
And they haven't.
They haven't stopped.
Right.
So you have people within these
organizations that are actively,

(02:19:58):
intentionally, knowingly subverting the
president of the United States Right On
behalf of our enemies and on behalf of
known terrorists, which is a violation of
material support to terrorists is still a
crime.
That's a start.
That's a crime.
I mean, there's so many laws that are being
violated it's hard to count.
There are so many laws that are being
violated it's hard to count, and yet still

(02:20:19):
they're so under siege.
The Trump administration that I mean Rubio,
marco Rubio, secretary of State is not
doing anything about it that we know of.
No.

John (02:20:29):
Haven't seen any action taken and yet.
So this is the thing.
I said this earlier.
There are so many things the Trump
administration is doing just to I mean
imagine.
And doing just to I mean it's imagine.
And I will say I talked to some people on
the inside and they who follow me on
Twitter and they're like you're being a
little harsh of the administration.

(02:20:49):
He's like we haven't even been in 60 days
and we're getting a lot done.
I said I agree, but you're fighting the
five meter target when, literally, the
armies are getting a raid on battlefronts,
getting ready to unleash just utter warfare
on us.
So you have to.

(02:21:11):
Whether you think you can do it right now,
you've got to be able to do these things
while at the same time, preparing.
First of all, that begins with
understanding the threat, recognizing who
the enemy is and what all of their
components are, and then recognizing, okay,

(02:21:31):
we have to build mission-tailored assaults
on these guys with priority targets, and
that's what you got to do.

Lara (02:21:41):
Some people will say well, that didn't work
before, we did that in Afghanistan.
We've never done it.
We did that in Iraq.
No, no, no.

John (02:21:46):
No, I'm talking we didn't, because, first
of all, I go back to what I said about
having all the attorneys in combat.
What were they doing in there?
They were there to tell you no, no, no, no,
no.
And I will tell you during of all the I
mean briefings that I've helped with.
I mean, I spent plenty of time with mattis,

(02:22:07):
who refused to another traitor.
He was very very disappointing, especially
as a marine um but others, uh, former
secretary of Defense, I have to say under
the first Trump administration, yeah, we
have to understand that you have to unleash
the full power of the government with

(02:22:31):
people and leaders that actually understand
what they're up against, and right now we
don't.
There's nobody.
I have yet to see anybody, anybody.
You have a few people in the administration
that are um, get it somewhat, but they're
not in positions to do, um, what they need

(02:22:51):
to do, or they're on the outside.

Lara (02:22:52):
People just say oh, john, come on, you're
just advocating for war.
You're another warmonger.
We we did this whole war against the
Islamists before it ended in abject failure
and disaster.

John (02:23:04):
But we didn't.
We didn't.
This is the point.
If you understand Sharia, then you have to
fight the war based on their defeat
mechanism.
So that would have meant, after 9-11,
arresting Prince Bandar Of Saudi Arabia,
yeah, and I'm, you know, executing him
because he was paying the Saudi

(02:23:26):
intelligence officer who was handling 9-11.
I mean, we have plenty of evidence against
him and I worked those cases I mean, this
is where Paul Sperry wrote those cases and
guys I was working with at State Department
and the CIA who Paul interviewed for some
of these articles, massive articles where
he laid out what we were doing and the
investigation always went right to the

(02:23:47):
front door of the Saudi embassy and we were
shut down by State Department from doing
anything further.

Lara (02:23:53):
Because the Bush administration was
protecting the Saudis.
That was true.
That's my assessment.
That's not conspiracy.

John (02:23:58):
That's not conspiracy theory.
So we should have obliterated, obliterated
the Saudis.
We should have gone to war against Iran In
Afghanistan.
What should we have done?
Kill as many Al-Qaeda, destroy their bases
and gotten out.
Yeah, that's what you do.

Lara (02:24:16):
Don't loiter on the objective If you're
going to go to.

John (02:24:18):
Iraq.
Go to Iraq, kill all the jihadis there and
get out.
Seize Saudi oil and use that to pay for
your war effort.
Because, second to Iran, saudi Arabia is
funding the war effort.
Now it's Qatar, but it was always.
They were never friendly.
Uae, turkey, pakistan, these are our

(02:24:39):
enemies, these are not friendlies.
This is you want to go to war?
Go to their power centers.
I mean how?
Imagine in World War II we say, hey, can we

(02:24:59):
our one of our most important bases, uh in
berlin, and the nazis are like, uh, sure
good, we put centcom in cutter.
Yeah, it's the same thing that shows you
that State Department, the multiple
secretaries of defense, our four-star

(02:25:20):
general just clueless.

Lara (02:25:22):
And my experience of briefing Idiots and
traitors, but just and cowards.
And, by the way, I mean, what about
Pakistan?
I mean, are you kidding me?
Just oh, every time you send a US official
over there, let's roll out another Al-Qaeda
leader, because apparently we have no
shortage of them, right?

John (02:25:39):
who directly gave support to al-qaeda
fighters in afghanistan to help move them
isi I mean these are not.

Lara (02:25:46):
Yeah, the pakistani intelligence, by the
way, who moved al-qaeda through and kept
al-qaeda safe in, gave them safe haven.
Iran, yeah, you know.
And and then when, I never forget, when the
general caldwell in iraq, and this isn't
like we're just learning this in the last
few years.

John (02:26:01):
We do this back in 2000, before 9-11.

Lara (02:26:05):
I'm nobody, okay, if I can know this.
I have no access to US intelligence.
I have no security clearance.
I don't have, you know, an army behind me.
I'm not, you know, I'm not sort of
hobnobbing in the holes of power in
Washington DC.
If I could figure it out, anybody could
figure it out.

(02:26:25):
That's right, you know, like you said
earlier, it's not even hard.
One of the biggest things you got to do is
listen, pay attention to what they say.
So when Al Qaeda says, okay, here's a list
of targets, and they publish this in
Inspire magazine and right up top there are
homosexuals, okay, then they hit a

(02:26:46):
homosexual club nightclub in Florida, and
everybody says, oh no, this is not a
terrorist attack.
I'm sorry.
The United Nations just convened on a
homosexuality issue for the first time in
its history, and that was because jihadists
were throwing homosexuals off buildings in

(02:27:07):
Fallujah, yep, and because they're hunting
them in Syria.
You've got homosexual activists who made it
to Turkey who were talking about how
they're murdering people for being gay, but
nobody wants to talk about that, because
that's normative Islam.
And now apparently every leftist gay person
in America thinks that Hamas and Al-Qaeda
are the best things than sliced bread.

(02:27:27):
Oh, apparently they missed the videos when
they were being tossed off buildings, the
way Saddam Hussein used to do it.

John (02:27:32):
Those are just the radicals.

Lara (02:27:34):
Just the radicals.

John (02:27:34):
Yeah, of course, just the radicals.
Yeah, of course, of course.
Yeah, this is.
I mean, this is where we find ourselves.
It really is.
It's so delusional that everything that's,
in my opinion, everything, not just what
we're talking about whether we're talking
about food, whether we're talking about
vaccines, whether we're talking about
fill-in-the-blank issue I mean the lid has

(02:27:56):
been blown off so many different issues
where we realize some of it was nefarious
and cunning and devious and some of it was
our leaders were a combination of
everything you just said.
I've met leaders, I mean I've briefed
people and I just walk away going, wow,

(02:28:18):
that person I mean my kitchen table has
higher IQ than that person.
So some of it's that.
Some of it is this terrible combination of
arrogance and ignorance.
Some of it is self-serving.
They want the seven or eight figure salary,
so they want Cutter to hire them.
They want Saudi Arabia to hire.

(02:28:38):
They want to be a consultant.
Hey, if you're the number, you're running
an entire program at the CIA man, you're
looking at millions of dollars a year.
And if you start talking and going after
these guys, man no way.

Lara (02:28:53):
Well, I remember going when I was doing a
piece with President Musharraf in Pakistan
and going to an event at the National
Defense University there, and there's all
these US generals sitting in the front row.
Yep.
And where did they go when they retired,
working as consultants and advisors for the
National Defense University in Pakistan?
Oh by the way, where did we find Osama bin
Laden?
Where was he?

(02:29:13):
Oh yeah, and where were they running the
Shura council out of Quetta, the Quetta
Shura?
Where were they running the war?
I mean, I was on those battlefields.
I watched American soldiers be killed, I
watched them be maimed, I watched them die,

(02:29:39):
and none of that had to happen because the
very same people that were leading them in
battle were making deals with our enemies.
And the same thing at the State Department,
by the way.
Not just the military leaders, the
political leaders, the spy agencies, the
intelligence agencies, the ones who know it
all.
They know so much more than I could ever
know.

John (02:29:58):
Yeah, can you imagine that the four-star
Marine general in charge in Afghanistan
when that whole mess happened, and that you
know not only the attack but the quote
unquote withdrawal and he said taliban is
our allies in this.

Lara (02:30:17):
They're helping provide security I'm like
yeah, that is a traitor, yeah, that is
someone who but that went all the way up to
lloyd austin, anthony blinken, joe biden, I
mean the, the uh, I think it was colonel
howard, the delta force commander at the
time.
That's another pos right and he hates it

(02:30:38):
when I name him.
They got their little deep state mouthpiece
propaganda puppet, jennifer whatever her
name is from Fox News, the Pentagon
correspondent, that horrible woman who ran
to his defense on air because I was on Fox
at the time, calling him out because they
left behind unbelievable assets, because
they were not.
They left behind unbelievable assets and

(02:30:59):
they were right there at the gates of the
airport and they said no and I followed.
I was working that in real time.
So there's nothing these people can say to
me.
You know, I know what the truth was and
they, they're all traitors on some fake
terrorist timeline.
We didn't even do.
I've seen videos that I can't share, but of

(02:31:20):
you know, I mean just masses of weapons
that were left behind at the US embassy,
all of the burndown protocols that were
that you know, that were tossed out of the
window, us surveillance assets that made it
out of the country to countries like
Uzbekistan, that were then under agreement
between US leaders and the terrorists
inside of Afghanistan that we weeks before

(02:31:41):
had been our enemy, now our new friends,
that we actually violated US law and
transferred those assets back over the
border, back into Afghanistan, into their
arms, into the waiting arms, so that they
could create a terrorist super state and
give terrorists from Chechnya and beyond
new identities, new biometrics, everything

(02:32:03):
else Because, oh yeah, by the way, we left
all that behind too.
Access to the biometric database.
Yep.
So that they could go and alter their
identities, issue them with new passports?
Yeah, thanks a lot.

John (02:32:17):
It is such a to call it a catastrophic
criminal action by our leaders is just, it
seems too mild.
I mean it is just, it's treacherous, it's
treasonous and you know these people should
pay Jail.
I think would be too nice for them.
You know the law allows for capital
punishment for treason.

Lara (02:32:37):
Well, treason is a crime against humanity,
right?
I mean there's no statute of limitations on
it.

John (02:32:42):
Not that I'm aware, nope.

Lara (02:32:44):
Speaking of which, that reminds me we never
answered the question on Obama.
Okay, so what role did he play and how
significant was it?

John (02:32:53):
Well, he certainly advanced their movement.
I mean, and he was not very covert about it
I mean he held meetings in the White House
with senior Muslim Brotherhood leaders in
North America, with leaders from the
Islamic Society of North America, and I
don't know if you remember Muslim Public
Affairs Council, muslim American Society,

(02:33:15):
groups like that groups like that, could
you argue?

Lara (02:33:18):
well, you know, these are American
organizations and this is about outreach,
and we don't want division in our country
but this is after they were convicted of
being Muslim Brotherhood.

John (02:33:30):
In the case of Islamic Society North
America, the evidence in the largest
terrorism trial revealed that Isna, which
was not convicted in that case, but the
evidence in the largest terrorism trial
revealed that ISNA, which was not convicted
in that case, but the evidence demonstrated
they're a Muslim Brotherhood group that
directly funds Hamas.

Lara (02:33:47):
Which is material support to a terrorist
organization.
Okay, one of the reasons I ask about Obama
is because I was in Cairo early in his
first administration when he made his big
speech to the Islamic world.
What was the significance of that?

John (02:34:02):
Well, I think it was huge because, as we
were talking about before we came on air, I
mean, mr Obama that speech at Al-Azhar, the
highest authority in Sunni Islam for legal
jurisprudence, leaders of the Muslim

(02:34:24):
Brotherhood in the crowd, and the
propaganda and I'll use the phrase material
support for the global Islamic movement
that that provided them Unbelievable, I
mean, and that was the green light.
I'm the president of the United States and
I am completely on board with you.

(02:34:44):
That was our assessment from an information
warfare perspective.
That's exactly what he did.
He just green lighted the Islamic movement.
And what did we see during his tenure as
president Is it accelerated?
And we have plenty of intelligence, both
overseas and currently.
I mean, I have colleagues of mine that went
over to Egypt and met with leaders that

(02:35:06):
were fighting the Muslim Brotherhood,
including leaders in the government.
After the Muslim Brotherhood leadership
Morsi got pushed out, the Muslim
Brotherhood leadership Morrissey got pushed
out.
This is they talked about the impact of Mr

(02:35:27):
Obama doing that he basically just gave the
US government seal of approval on the
Muslim Brotherhood's Islamic movement, not
only there but here in the United States,
and then all the actions they took after
that In Benghazi, the response to Benghazi,
the response to jihadi attacks in and
outside the United States, defending them.

(02:35:50):
Islam doesn't teach that.
This isn't that, and we're going to bring
in these organizations that we know are bad
to respond.
We're going to put them on CNN.
Let them offer a public response.
I mean, it's just, it is it's so well
coordinated and it was coordinated in many
cases through the White House.

Lara (02:36:10):
Well, you know, one of the things that
stuck out to me at the time that I didn't
really believe was when it was reported
that Obama had told the head of NASA who
was the first African-American ever to lead
that agency.
He was an astronaut, former astronaut,
charlie Bolden.
It was reported that Obama had said to him
that you should not emphasize America's

(02:36:33):
achievements in space.
You should not be pushing America, you
should be elevating the Arab world.
And for years I would hear that people
would raise that and I would say, well,
that's who knows.
I doubt that's true.
I mean, it was inconceivable to me that an
American president might actually do that.

(02:36:54):
So, years later, when I was doing a 60
minute story, um, about space, and I had
the opportunity to sit down and interview
Charlie Bolden after the interview we're
walking and talking and chatting and all
that I said, charlie, I gotta ask you
something.
You know, I'm just curious.
This was reported that you had this meeting
with Obama when he first you know, not long

(02:37:15):
after he first came to the office and this
is and that this is what he told you.
And Charlie Bolden said oh yeah, absolutely,
that's 100% what he told me.
And I was like wait a minute hold on.
I said I'm not aware of a whole lot of
space programs in the Arab world.
Are there any?
And he said I think the Emirates may have

(02:37:35):
developed a very small one since then.
But he said no, no, no, you know no
significant presence that I'm aware of.
I said did that make any sense to you?
And he said no, it really didn't.
But he said that's absolutely what he told
me.
Yeah.
What the hell?
What was?

John (02:37:52):
that about?
Well, that's right, along with everything
else he was doing.
Right, promoting the Islamic movement,
denigrating the United States.
Right, you didn't build that we're a.
We're a nation of racists, and everything
else.

Lara (02:38:07):
That was mr obama's message so where are
the hot spots across america right now?
Because we, one of them is dallas, plano,
texas, texas in general, texas in general.

John (02:38:16):
What I assess that uh and my team assesses
houston as the single worst city in America
for the joint Islamic communist movement is
Houston but other really bad areas,
especially for the jihad but also the
communist support the Dearborn.

Lara (02:38:38):
Michigan area Dearborn, Michigan.

John (02:38:39):
Twin cities, minnesota, mm-hmm.

Lara (02:38:50):
New York, New York City, parts of LA.

John (02:38:54):
Patterson.
New.
Jersey, yeah, so that area around Patterson
it's pretty bad in the triangle area of
like Raleigh, durham, chapel Hill,
nashville, charlotte, did I say Tampa?
No, but even like Kansas City, kansas,

(02:39:23):
wichita, is pretty bad.
Indianapolis or, excuse me, plainfield,
indiana, is the home to ISNA, so they have
a base there.
Chicago I think I mentioned them earlier
horrible, and I don't just mean Chicago, I
mean pretty much draw a 35 mile radius

(02:39:46):
around there and the, the jihadi community
is very thick and growing and they are
raising a ton of money internally, ton of
money to expand what they're doing there.
What's a ton of money?
Uh, like, in a weekend, it's not unusual
for them to raise several million dollars
just to expand one thing they're working on.
Where's's the money coming from?
From the Muslim community, the US Muslim
community, because you got, you know these
people are, you know engineers, doctors, I

(02:40:09):
mean they have money and they're putting it
back into the Islamic movement.
And USAID, well, yeah, I mean now, that's
just again another piece of it that we know
about, but I'll also say they're getting
grants from the US government.
I piece of it that we know about, but I'll
also say they're getting grants from the US
government.
I mean, I remember one grant, john, when I
was in touch with some people in John
Kelly's office when he was working for Mr

(02:40:30):
Trump and DHS Another traitor he stopped
one grant to the Muslim Public Affairs
Council, which is a Muslim Brotherhood
group, for over $500,000.
That's one grant.
I mean, that's a major Muslim Brotherhood
entity, that's a major propaganda arm for
them.

(02:40:50):
But Phoenix is a huge hub for not only
Brotherhood, for Al-Qaeda.
It has been.
That's been since the 80s.
My goodness, you could go around Denver.
But you're not just talking about Muslim
populations, no, I'm talking about the
jihadi networks in those areas San Diego's

(02:41:12):
pretty significant, seattle, portland.
There's a network in South Dakota but it's
pretty small.
Uh, cause they have very low.

(02:41:33):
I've done some work up there.
They have a very low tolerance for any of
that.
It's South Dakota may be the best state in
the country Um, poised, I would argue it's
probably number one on my list for poise to
kind of keep the whole communist Islamic
movement out and they're trying to get in
there.
Montana and Wyoming are probably two and

(02:41:54):
three, but they have their problems.
Montana and the state legislature, they've
got some issues but those would be the best.
When people ask me what are the best states
right now, those are probably the best for
kind of defending liberty.
Now Florida is doing a lot of good
proactive work but they have a very

(02:42:16):
significant jihadi network and it's not
just in one place.
I mean Tampa is a pretty strong Hamas hub,
but really around the whole state they've
got a lot of issues.
Atlanta is very bad.
I mean Atlanta.
You can go back to the 80s when Al-Qaeda
was doing recruiting in Atlanta.
Abdul Azam was in Atlanta.

(02:42:37):
I mean I think you're aware of some of that
going around the country talking about the
jihad in Afghanistan.

Lara (02:42:43):
Abdul Azam, the Palestinian philosopher who
was-.

John (02:42:47):
Legal jurist?
I would say Legal jurist.
Right, who was very popular and very
influential and worked with Osama Bin Laden.
Helped create Al-Qaeda.

Lara (02:42:56):
Well, osama Bin Laden took his philosophies
and and his writings and combined his
writings with Mohammed Ketub the Ketub
brothers Saeed Kutub, yeah.
Saeed Qutub out of Egypt.
Saeed Qutub wrote his manifesto Milestones
and what Osama bin Laden really understood
the power of was uniting the Sunni and Shia

(02:43:17):
using the Palestinian cause, because it's
such a powerful motivator on the Arab
street.

John (02:43:22):
So this is great that you bring this up,
and maybe this is a great place that this
conversation has come to.
Is that?
What did Abdul Azam say, is the basis for
everything he wrote about Sharia?
What did Saeed Qutb say?
It's all about Sharia, all about Sharia,

(02:43:43):
but what they were doing is what you just
said.
How do you apply it to unify the Muslim
community today?
The.
Ummah worldwide, to get the global Muslim
community, the Ummah to.
Actually, because Saeed Qutb was very harsh,
talking about Muslims that were not
adhering to Sharia.

Lara (02:44:03):
Oh well, I mean, I've pointed out forever
to people that, on a daily basis, islamic
jihadists kill more Muslims than anyone
else Because they're not adhering to Sharia,
and so to make this that it's simply a case
of you don't like each other or you hate
each other no, that's not it at all.
It's all about Sharia, don't you know?

(02:44:23):
Like each other, you hate each other.
No, that that's not it at all.
In fact, the number one target list is is
other muslims who don't adhere to their
ideology yeah, that's right.

John (02:44:31):
And this is interesting because I did a
whole uh, it's on my website uh, john
guandolacom, but I did a whole video series
that I think is a total of almost six hours,
called it's all about sharia.
Because, once you understand, we talk about
kut's All About Sharia.
Because, once you understand, we talk about
Kutub, talk about Abdul Azam, when you
understand that in the 20th century and now
the 21st century that's the basis for all

(02:44:54):
of this Maududi was all about Sharia.
You know the one whose granddaughter tried
to be the Cobb County GOP chair, the
milestones, abdul Zahm's writings and these
others, these real powerhouses in the
Muslim Brotherhood Islamic Movement, but
the basis is all Sharia.
But what they're doing is they're talking

(02:45:15):
about okay, but how do we unify here?
How do we do it?
And that's where they can really make
things happen.
And you just mentioned I love that, see.
This is why I just think, because of your
experiences, you came to this because you
were right there Like, well, wait a minute.
No, there's not a moderate version of this,

(02:45:36):
right, because the nice guys are like oh no,
we still have to kill our children, but
we'll sit there and have tea with you and
we won't kill you Right, laura, we're not
going to kill you.
So pretty nice of us.
Oh thanks, you know.
But they still.
Sharia is at the core of their entire
belief system.
And so we must, in the West, make the

(02:46:00):
mistake of thinking, because someone's
being nice to us in the moment, that
they're somehow trustworthy or they're
somehow on our side.
I mean, that's just, it's ludicrous.
And this is, I think, the message, what
we're talking about today.
These movements are hostile.
The key players are all hostile.

(02:46:21):
The key Islamic organizations in the United
States and North America are all hostile,
and I say it very frequently on X hey, name
one national US Islamic organization not
hostile.
$1,000 cash I'll give you, and literally
what comes back is nobody, they're like.

(02:46:44):
There isn't one is there Like.
So citizens are starting to realize no,
there's not one.

Lara (02:46:49):
So you get answers like that and death
threats, right yeah.

John (02:46:53):
Less death threats today, and the reason is
because they think they're about to win.

Lara (02:46:58):
They believe they're on the verge of kind
of rolling the final, phase out, zero hour
and finishing the plan, so they're not
paying as much attention to my colleagues
and I are you well, also you've been,
you've been, sort of you know, put in your
conspiracy box, right in your anti-islam,
islamophobic box, yeah, and so they can say,
oh well, that guy, you know, he just hates

(02:47:21):
muslims yeah, they can say that.

John (02:47:23):
Interesting, like you and I were talking
about.
It's funny how my phone is ringing more now.
You know he just hates Muslims.
Yeah, they can say that.
Interesting, like you and I were talking
about.
It's funny how my phone is ringing more now
than it's ever been ringing before, and
this is just in the last few months,
because again, nobody wants to buy a fire
extinguisher until their front door's on
fire, right, but now that there are
communities around the United States that

(02:47:44):
are scared that literally, guys that are
Al-Qaeda are Hamas are, in their
neighborhood like yeah, we're taking over.
And there's nothing you're going to do
about it?

Lara (02:47:57):
Well, is there?
That's a foul.
Well, that's because nobody knew we were
going to go four hours or whatever it's
been since we've been chatting Just about
three hours, okay, but well, I mean, I'm
starting to say this more and more now, but
you have to come back because there's a

(02:48:19):
whole lot we didn't talk about.
We didn't even touch Syria, you know, and
other things.

John (02:48:23):
Is there something going?

Lara (02:48:24):
on in Syria, the new moderate leader in
Syria who's busy getting rid of all the
Christians, the Alawites.

John (02:48:32):
He wears a tie, so he must be nice.

Lara (02:48:34):
He must be nice.
He's grown up since he was a member of
Al-Qaeda Two weeks ago.
I mean, it's not funny, but you almost do
you have to laugh.

John (02:48:45):
I mean I would people ask me how do you do
it?
And obviously you know that alarm is
because it's three o'clock, it's holy hour,
so we remember the moment Jesus died on the
cross for us, good reminder.
So I don't think we can do this if we're
not anchored in our faith.
But man we also.

(02:49:06):
We have to remember that we have to live
life right.
I love music.

Lara (02:49:12):
I love yeah, you sent me some of your songs.
I was pretty impressed.

John (02:49:15):
I love standup comedy.
I love you know we have to enjoy life.
We have to keep a sense of humor.
I have colleagues of mine that have been
doing this a long time and they about lose
their minds and I'm like I used to get that
way and I realized, you know, number one,
this isn't I'm just a messenger.
I don't like this isn't because I'm smarter

(02:49:38):
than someone else, or I've just had unique
experiences that I can share else, or I've
just had unique experiences that I can
share.
I just offer what I can to people and when
they reject it, I'm like okay, like it
doesn't hurt my feelings.
When people are like I think this about you,

(02:50:02):
I'm like okay, I'm very, I'm okay with who,
I am right, and if you want to call me
names, get in line, just Google me, and you
could make a career out of just reading the
crap that's been printed on me.
Everybody, from Time Magazine and BBC to
everyone else, and I just don't care
because I don't serve them.
That's not who I work for, and so I think

(02:50:24):
once you get that, you got to have a sense
of humor.
I mean, it's so ludicrous what's going on
when you realize how either incompetent,
traitorous, criminally negligent, whatever
our leaders have been.
You realize so once again, as it was 250
years ago, it's back to the American people
to fix it.

(02:50:45):
And what I see, like in Texas, citizens are
fixing it and they're going to fix it and
thank goodness in Texas they've been able
to get the attention of the governor and
attorney general who, good on them, are
opening investigations and have publicly

(02:51:05):
said, in the case of the governor, you will
not finish this epic city, it's not
happening, and God bless them for it.
And God bless the people working at the
local level.
I mean, they are truly, they're the heroes
because they're having to.
Just it is such a slog just getting local
attorneys and local elected officials and

(02:51:27):
state legislators and people, the governors
and attorney general's office, to finally
like go, oh, my goodness, we get it Finally
after years Because, like, for instance,
yasser Qadi, the spokesman for this whole
thing, for this epic, city, mosque, he's
the chairman of the Fee Council in North
America that I talked about earlier.

(02:51:47):
That's the leading Islamic legal
organization to ensure everything the
movement does here in North America is
Sharia compliant.
That's the guy.
That's an organization identified by the
evidence in the Holy Land Foundation as a
Muslim Brotherhood group.

Lara (02:52:02):
Which, by the way, this mega mosque that
he's building is about four hours from here,
right, four or five hours.

John (02:52:09):
Yeah, about four and a half hours.

Lara (02:52:10):
Yeah.

John (02:52:12):
From where we're sitting right now, From
the Middle East maybe, yeah, yeah, okay.

Lara (02:52:20):
So I know that we have to stop talking now,
although I still have a lot more questions,
and I guess you know what would be the
thing that you would want to leave people
with, because, yes, people are standing up
now, but most people don't even recognize

(02:52:42):
what you're talking about, but most people
don't even recognize what you're talking
about.

John (02:52:46):
So over my career I started at the national
level, working with national level leaders,
thinking that many of them good men and
women and I did brief a lot of good men and
women, the generals, the members of
Congress, former FBI, cia directors and

(02:53:09):
then they asked well, what would be your
strategy to deal with it?
And here it is, on paper, and I was still
idealistic enough to think that then they
could make that a reality.
And they, you know, remember the people
that I worked with that I educated the

(02:53:30):
Louie Gohmerts, the Michelle Bachmans, the
Trent Franks.
They got beaten up by their own party, by
Republican leaders right, not the Democrats?
I mean, yeah, the Democrats jumped on, but
it was the Republican leaders who came
after them.

Lara (02:53:44):
Who gave the sort of the kill shot right?
Yep, Because you can get attacked by the
other side and survive it, but not when you
get attacked by your own.

John (02:53:51):
It was that, and so we took it down to the
state level and, working with governors and
attorney generals, I worked with some good
people, but none of them were willing to
take the actions necessary to deal with the
Islamic movement, the Muslim Brotherhood
movement and the Iranian Hezbollah movement
in their state, even though there's plenty
of state laws to do it.

Lara (02:54:12):
Well, didn't the Trump administration just
invite a Hezbollah member to the
inauguration?
Yes, they did.

John (02:54:18):
And the person who made that happen.
I still don't know who actually made that
happen.
I have my guesses Not fired, Nobody's fired.
Nobody's publicly humiliated.

Lara (02:54:28):
I mean they fixed it because you and other
people called them out and they realized
they'd made a terrible mistake, but they
were shocked to know he was a Hezbollah.
How could you not?
Know.
How do you not know?

John (02:54:40):
This is the problem.
So then we took it to the local level.
How do you not know?
This is the problem.
So then we took it to the local level.
And what I found when I moved here to Texas
eight years ago, I built a program out of
the realization I already knew this when I
was in the FBI that we had to engage local
level because this mimicked an insurgency.
It does so.
It's at the local level you're going to get
the most Among the population.

Lara (02:55:05):
Well, which is is in fact, if you listen to
the Imam from the, the mosque in Plano, yes.
If you listen to Yasser Qadhi, he says
local politics, national action, which is
actually a phrase that General Flynn used
and uses a lot because both understand the
war in which we're engaged yes, and he also
says you know, if you tell 10 people and

(02:55:27):
they tell 10 people, and they tell 10
people, that's how we will bring about a
political and cultural revolution.
That's right.

John (02:55:33):
So to the kind of the culmination of your
question, or my answer to your question, is
I developed a training program.
We have training programs for police that's
focused on local and state police.
We have training programs for prosecutors,
although we encourage them to go to the law

(02:55:53):
enforcement.
We have all kinds of training, but the most
important one, our into action program,
trains citizens at the county level how to
again identify the hostile networks and
literally map out good guys and bad guys in
your county and create a strategy, a plan

(02:56:13):
how to lawfully flush the bad guys out of
your community.
And it's been very effective.

Lara (02:56:20):
So how can people get hold of you?
Or, if there's ordinary people out there or
law enforcement, there's a you know a
motivated sheriff who's heard this and
wants to JohnGuandolocom.

John (02:56:29):
Okay, and I'm on, you know, jay Guandolo,
and string of numbers 5, 4, 2, 7, 1,
something like that on Twitter or on X, but
that is like my third Twitter account
because I got bounced so many times.
Fourth Twitter account or X account, but
now they're leaving me alone.
I think maybe speaking truth is no longer

(02:56:51):
against the law, but I really encourage
people.
We win or lose the whole war at the local
level.
What an administration like the Trump
administration can do is they can not only
hold the bad guys back, but they can
provide resources to states and local
communities to smash these cockroaches like

(02:57:13):
they deserve.
I mean, we got to put our heel on them.
But you can do it lawfully, right, you can
lawfully flush bad people out of your
community.
Look, there are a hundred ways can lawfully
flush bad people out of your community.
Look, there are a hundred ways and I can
give you examples all day long.
But I can tell you I've worked with
communities where, because the business
leaders got smart, the local county

(02:57:36):
councils got smart, and people came in,
muslims came in like, oh, I'm going to buy
this land, and they're like really, you are.
And because they were already radar on.
They just did their research and they're
like, oh, this is who's backing this guy.
We know they're bad.
No thanks, they're like I'll sue you.
They're like sue away, we would love
discovery on you.

(02:57:57):
And then they go away.
All it takes is standing up.
And then what happens?
Great example is Maricopa County, arizona.
So over a period of several years finally
got that community through the county
prosecutor to bring me and the team in to

(02:58:19):
train I mean, in the end, hundreds and
hundreds of police officers across state
but also in and around Phoenix, and then
working with their state legislators to get
a law, to have basically a state terrorism
law, so that when a jihadi came and said,
hey, I have some really important

(02:58:39):
information, I need deputies to come down
and talk to me.
And a couple come down, he starts throwing
rocks at them and of course this is all on
body cam.
And then he pulls out a knife, screams and
charges them and they shoot him.
He lived, so we need some marksmanship
training.
But anyway, and of course, the county
attorney, they knew what they had and they
asked the FBI do you want to take it?

(02:59:00):
And they're like why would we take it?
And they're like, thank you very much.
They charge him with state terrorism
charges because they knew, because the
local sheriff was like we're going to
charge him with assault on an officer and
the Maricopa County prosecutor who, by the
way, now sits on the Arizona Supreme Court

(02:59:20):
and just a great human being.
He said no, this is not merely assault,
this is an act of terrorism.
Here's why we know.
And they charged him with a state terrorism
thing and put the guy in jail for some real
good time.
And here's the other thing is, as soon as
they did that, the FBI was like hey, we
want in on that.

(02:59:41):
And they were like oh, of course they did.

Lara (02:59:42):
Nope, because now they want to take control
over it.
Yeah, they want to take credit.
Yeah, because what the?
Fbi is doing and we can close on this.
What the FBI is doing and I've looked at
law enforcement bulletins for years is
they've been ignoring and enabling the
Islamic terrorist threat to grow while
creating a non-existent white supremacist

(03:00:06):
threat.

John (03:00:06):
That's the violent extremist threat Right
we talked about earlier.

Lara (03:00:09):
Literally going in, you know, creating chat
rooms, going in there as fake white
supremacists planting ideas and thoughts
and then taking screenshots of that that's
done by them and putting it in their
terrorism daily terrorism bulletins, you
know, and dwarfing any other, reporting
right when you have real threats.
But it's sort of it's drowning in these

(03:00:31):
fake threats that they've created a good
degree of the time, you know, in order to
build a false narrative that the greatest
existential threat to the United States of
America are the white American men who
believe in the constitution.

John (03:00:47):
Can I put a cherry on top of that?
Yes, by all means.
So two things.
You know I'm the only one, my team is the
only one in the country doing this training
and just two little vignettes and people
can use it for however they want.
So doing the law enforcement training in

(03:01:10):
Louisiana several years ago about 75, 80
police officers and detectives, and we
actually had a prosecutor in there and a
police chief and on day two I'm up there
laying out what they're doing, how they're
doing it, and this police chief.
And on day two I'm up there like laying out
this, what they're doing, this, how they do
it, and this police chief looks at me and
he's like he's not even like excuse me, I

(03:01:30):
love this guy, but he's like he looks to
the two guys sitting next to him on the
FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force and he
says why in the hell have you two not told
us about any of this?
And in front of all their colleagues
they're like we've never heard any of this
and the whole class kind of you know ha-ha.
And then they're like uh-oh.

(03:01:52):
And this to the second point is, when I
finished my law enforcement training, I
always asked two questions.
I've been doing this for years.
How many of you knew this information
before you came in here Zero hands.
100% of the time, nobody.

(03:02:12):
And this includes people that are federal
agents, state investigative agencies, local
police, people that have been on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force Zero.
Second question how many of you believe
this is critical to protecting your
community?
All the hands go up.
Terrorism task force Zero.
Second question how many of you believe
this is critical to protecting your
community?
All the hands go up.
And what they're shocked at is that,
whether this was in 2011, 15, 18, or today,

(03:02:34):
they're like how is it?
We don't know this.
We go to all these classes, we work with
the FBI.
Nobody's ever told them this.
I'm like well, that's because I was the guy
who ran the only two programs in the
government and then they shut it down,
moved me out of the counterterrorism
division because I was a problem.
What year was that?

(03:02:56):
So the program was 2006.
And then we did the second one at the park
police in December 2006 and then January
2007.
And then they moved me out of the
counterterrorism division during 2007.
So I spent the last year and a half of my
time in the Bureau on a surveillance unit,

(03:03:16):
which was great.
My friends used to joke.
So they moved you out of counterterrorism
and they gave you a laptop and a phone in a
job that you have a lot of free time in.
I'm like, they're like they don't know you
very well do you?
So all my buddies were like get on it.
But I was also told you can't send any

(03:03:38):
email or have any phone call related to
that stuff or you're going to be punished.

Lara (03:03:44):
Now, of course I did it.

John (03:03:44):
They siloed you?
Yeah, they tried to, but of course I was
getting literally calls would come in from
different government agencies asking me to
come train and then I'd get crapped on by a
bad headquarters.
I'm like I can't control who calls you.
But I share the earlier stuff about the
lack of understanding and the value of this

(03:04:07):
training, which I encourage every community
should have it.
I mean, we've been trying to scale this up
for years but most Americans are like why
do we need that?
Well, you need it because we're in a war
and nobody's doing anything about it or
very, very, very little about it.
It is time to put freedom back on the

(03:04:27):
offensive, where it belongs.
And American citizens are the best ones to
do it because their BS meter is the most
sensitive of anybody.
Right, I mean, and get your local police.
If you have a good local police, good
sheriff, get them involved.
You know, I've worked with communities

(03:04:47):
across country and they are doing great
work and they're doing it quietly, but they
are punting these turds out of their
communities commies and jihadis.
And there are ways to do it.
There are just ways to make people know
you're not welcome here and they're legal.
You don't got all these people like it's
time to revolt.
I'm like maybe we'll come to that God

(03:05:08):
forbid, but there's plenty you can do.

Lara (03:05:12):
Legally and constitutionally.

John (03:05:13):
It might be a little devious, it might not
be nice, but it's lawful and you can do it.
And you can tell them hey, you know what?
I know you think you're being nice, but
you're not welcome here.
We don't want you here.
So here's what we've done right, your
business, whatever it is right.
We're not renewing your lease.
How about that?
Well, there you have it, and there's so

(03:05:34):
many ways to do it.

Lara (03:05:35):
Thanks for having me there.
You have it.
Thank you so much, John.
If, If anybody has questions, wants to know
more, wants to get involved in their own
communities JohnGuandolocom right, I know
you've got that book that you showed a lot.
You've also got Raising a Jihadi Generation.
We are definitely going to have you back.

(03:05:55):
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(03:06:17):
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