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August 7, 2025 75 mins

In this episode of Governance Futures, Eugene and Jamilya speak with Dennison Bertram, co-founder and CEO of Tally, about the evolving role of regulation, DAOs, and decentralization. We dig into the implications of the Clarity Act, why tooling isn't the only thing DAOs need, and how state alignment is becoming essential to scale Web3 governance. This is a thoughtful, provocative conversation for anyone building or thinking critically about the future of crypto, compliance, and the critical role of legal frameworks in shaping the next era of web3 innovation.

Timestamps 00:00 Teaser and Introduction 03:50 Building crypto for real inclusion 06:10 Tech as a double-edged sword 08:50 Missed opportunities with NFTs & innovation 11:47 The importance of clear crypto regulation 13:15 From tools to infrastructure: evolution of Tally 15:30 DAOs as the next corporate structure 19:59 What does decentralization *really* mean? 27:24 How the Clarity Act changes the game 33:38 Why regulation and incorporation matter 38:00 The risk of operating in a legal gray zone 42:00 The new age of institution-friendly crypto 47:25 Global regulatory competition & jurisdiction shopping 54:34 State bailouts & crypto collapse responses 59:18 What DAOs still get wrong 1:01:16 Why builders really need clarity 1:06:36 Regulation isn't top-down—it's collaborative 1:10:36 Quiz: Governance in one word 1:11:37 Outro

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