In this episode, we sit down with Vaughn McKenzie-Landell to explore how market-driven decision-making can transform DAO governance. Vaughn is CEO & co-founder of Butter, who are bringing Information Finance to Ethereum — starting with Futarchy. He started his career at Dow Jones but exited TradFi after a google search in 2009 delivered him into the BitcoinTalk forum. Together, we break down Butter’s evolution from simple delegate-payments to more complex schemes like proposal auctions and peer prediction, with each iteration teaching valuable lessons. We dig into their latest futarchy experiments – for example, running market-based grant allocations for Optimism’s ecosystem and for the Uniswap Foundation – where clear objectives (like growing total value locked) were set and participants bet on which projects would best achieve them. Along the way we cover practical challenges: choosing objective metrics (often ROI), incentivizing honest participation, and even regulatory hurdles. Finally, we consider what this all means for the broader DAO space: futarchy seems well-suited to big funding decisions with measurable outcomes, while simpler proposals may still be handled by more traditional votes. The episode wraps up by highlighting how continual experimentation – a bit of a “kaizen” (改善 - a Japanese term meaning continuous improvement (“kai” = change, “zen” = good) mindset – is shaping a more innovative, resilient future for decentralized governance and capital allocation. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction to Governance Futures Podcast 04:13 Exploring Futarchy and Its Applications 11:00 Governance Challenges and Information Problems 12:59 Understanding Futarchy in Simple Terms 18:55 The Evolution of Butter and Initial Experiments 26:52 Misconceptions About Futarchy and Prediction Markets 33:40 Concrete Experiments and Their Outcomes 55:30 Future of Governance and Futarchy Models 01:00:22 Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Crypto 01:09:53 Quiz and Closing Remarks
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