June 14, 2025 • 33 mins
Ever struggled to explain what you actually do in one sentence? Or felt like your story wasn't "interesting enough" to share?
In this episode, my guest Philippa Ross and I dissect the messy middle of authentic visibility, the part where you question the labels, navigate the pressure to be polished, and wonder if anyone’s even listening.
Philippa’s own personal journey includes everything from podcasting and personal development to a family history rooted in literal polar exploration. We examine what it really takes to build a brand with depth, communicate with clarity, and show up when it feels uncomfortable.
From the emotional impact of negative feedback and the importance of separating personal feelings from professional criticism, we’re covering the real stuff behind the glossy content.
There’s some incredible personal stories in this one that you won’t want to miss!
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you belong there. And thattakes a little bit of work for
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Hello everyone, and welcome toGrow Your Brand with Amanda.
On this podcast today, I havewith me the beautiful Philippa
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Ross. Hello, Philippa. Hi,Amanda. Thanks for having me.
Thank you for joining me. Andthis is our second attempt
because we tried a while agoand the tech wouldn't allow
us. We had all sorts ofgremlins on our connection,
but today everything is goingto be absolutely fine. So
before we get to find out alittle bit more about
Philippa, I'm going to ask mythree probing questions
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because I'm really nosy and Ilove finding out what makes
people tick and it's usuallythe source of these three
questions. So, first of all,Philippa, do you have a
favourite motivational song? Ihave lots, but I think Tina
Turner, Simply The Best is, orit's actually just called The
Best, is one that gets the oldjuices flowing in for me.
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Yeah, that's a real powersong, isn't it? I think that
would get anybody up dancingor totally motivated to get
going. Yeah. Oh, she's such anicon. I love her. Do you know,
my favorite song that they didtogether was Proud Mary. I
just love that song. It's justone of my favorites. Do you
have a favorite motivationalquote? I do and it underpins
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all my work and it's fromRalph Waldo Emerson and it's
to be yourself in a worldthat's trying to make you
someone else is the greatestaccomplishment. Yeah, and as
evidenced on social media.When everyone's trying to be
someone else. Yeah, I lovethat. I've not heard that one
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before. That's a really goodone. Thank you. Do you read?
Do you have a favorite book?I'm a bookworm and it's really
hard. To pen it down, but Ilove fun, playful things, but
most of my reading isphilosophical and nonfiction,
but I love the Tao of Pooh andthe Tea of Piglet, which is,
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I've got it here. It'sWinnie the Pooh and all the
gang explaining through theauthor the principles of
Taoism and living in harmonywith nature and bringing out
the best urinate intelligence.Wow, this is a lot of wisdom
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with that little burr. Oh, Ilove Woody the Pooh anyway,
but that's really interesting.I'm going to look up that
book. I've not seen thatbefore. Oh, thank you so much
for that. And I love that youlike philosophical books. So
that must mean that you're adeep thinker. Oh, very much.
Pondering life's mystery. Sothis is going to be very
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interesting. So tell us aboutyour business, what inspired
you to start it and how yourpersonal story shaped your
brand. What inspired me tostart it? Well I emigrated
from England 21 years ago andyes and I was in the south of
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England and I had done a openuniversity degree in
psychology and I'd worked fortwo years for this Doctor who
is a psychologist andpsychotherapist in this home
for parents who are provingthat they're worth to take
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their children home and so Igot my degree in psychology
and he said to me as I wasleaving you should start
something up like thisyourself. And, you know,
typical, you think, oh, Icouldn't possibly do that. But
anyway, I got to New Zealand,had to settle in. And I
remember going, it was morethe counselling side of
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things. And I went to thelikes of, I'm just trying to
remember what it was inEngland. It was child, youth
and family basically andacting as an agent for them so
it's a government agency andthe difficulty is that they
wanted me to have an honorsdegree but it's an
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undergraduate so they wantedme to have a postgraduate. I
wasn't good enough so theysaid no. So I thought I'd done
six years open learning and Iwas over. I'm going on further
with my studying so I justthought I'll just make a name
for myself and within eightmonths they asked me to help
them out. And, but it's asystem and I really abhorred
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the system and it put peoplein boxes and as time went on,
I began to expand my thinkingprocess outside of psychology,
it's a good foundation, but Idon't like putting people in
boxes because we're alldifferent and we all have
different experiences. So Igrew the holistic side things
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and then studied quantumscience And so I did some
counseling for a little bit,but just evolved over the
years and stopped and startedand stopped and started with
children and life's littleobstacles that get in the way.
And I've just kind ofrelaunched again and at the
tender age of 63, approaching64, I've got a lot of wisdom.
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I've got t-shirts of everyconceivable color in the
wardrobe, so been there, doneit, done most things. So it's
not all just textbook stuffand it's really personal
development and growing andevolving holistically. Did you
say quantum physics or quantumscience? Yeah. Wow. That's so
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interesting. That'sfascinating. So you've got
this broad range of intereststhat are kind of intrinsically
linked to the one thing. And Itotally agree with you about
not putting people in boxes. Ihate labels. And I see it a
lot, people are desperate tolabel themselves as having
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something or being somethingor belonging somewhere and I
don't like it, I've never doneit, I'd rather just be, but
that's just so unbelievablyinteresting, you said
something interesting aboutmaking a name for yourself and
that brings me on to my nextquestion about visibility, so
the turning point when yourealised you had to be more
visible rather than holding onto the So what changed after
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that then when you realisedthat visibility was more
important at that time? Ithink it's not necessarily
visibility, but it's it's beena whole journey of being
authentic and being and that'sultimately what I'm doing is
helping people get in touchwith the essence of who they
are. So you have to walk thetalk yourself, basically. And
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it's really again, it goesback to my own failure at
school and walking the talk.So far as visibility is
concerned, it's drawing on allthe things that you are, that
fill you up, that you're goodat. The other side of me is
that I'm a thalassophile,which means ocean lover. My
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great, great, greatgrandfather, he was a... was
in the Navy and he usedthe Earth's magnetic field to
discover different placesaround the world. So he went
to the Arctic He was therenine winters, so he did six
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visits, got stuck for threeyears in the Arctic, they
thought he was dead and hediscovered the North Magnetic
Pole and he also discoveredthe Ross Sea region in
Antarctica. So it's quiteironic that I help people find
their true north. Using theEarth's magnetic field with my
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interest in quantum science.So it kind of all comes
together. You know, lifeevolves and there's no
particular turning point. Youknow, it was my own failure at
school, seeing what mychildren went through, what
clients went through andworking with a system, what I
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liked, what I didn't like andactually offering something
that made a difference. Wow,that's so incredible. So how
do you work with your clientsthen? What do you do? What
methodology do you use to getthem to where they want to be?
Well, typical me, I've justdrawn on so much resources and
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information over the yearsthat I've developed my own
process. I call it PIP, whichis Personal Intelligence
Process and PIP is mynickname. I'm obsessed with...
I use acronyms because theyhelp me remember stuff and
it's really it's becauseultimately anyone who's going
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to support someone you wantthem to be able to give them
the tools for them to do itthemselves and yes you can and
come back and help them alongthe way but ultimately you're
helping them on the way bywalking alongside them so they
then have tools that they canAnd it has that ripple effect.
So it's really getting peoplein touch with what energizes
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their soul, heart, mind, andbody and basically forgetting
all the conditions that wehave, all those shoulds and
all those limiting beliefsthat get in the way of
stopping us and keeping ussmall. Yeah. And you said
something earlier about doingsomething that you love. And
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what your heart is leading youtowards. And I always see it
in people's faces when they'retalking about the thing that
they're most passionate about,because it just emanates from
their face straight away andleading people towards that. I
just think it's the greatestgift to be able to help
someone. And I know you have aYouTube channel, so tell me a
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bit more about that and whatyou do, because it has an
interesting title. Well, Istarted a podcast in December
2021. I just turned 60 in theJuly and I thought I'd
challenge myself. I haveworked in TV, radio and
newspapers. And so I thoughtI'd put that to good use. But
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back in my day, we used toedit stuff like real estate
and actually cut the tape. Butnow it's all digital, isn't
it? So it's very, verydifferent. But I got someone
locals helping me with thesoftware. And ultimately there
was so much doom and gloomwhich really peed me off. And
I know, like yourself, there'sso many of us, so many people
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doing extraordinary things whogo right under the radar. And
having worked in media, thebosses always said, oh, bad
news sells. And I just think,well, It's like the title of
my book, life's a load ofballs. It's an actual load of
bollocks basically becausewhat's uplifting and keeps
people going and giving themhope is recognizing that
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there's positive stuff outthere. So I just collected, I
just know so many people I'vecome across over the years and
inspirational stories from thegirl next door who's making
goats, She had milk soapsbecause she was allergic to
cow's milk. Everybody has astory behind what they do and
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most of us are doing whatwe're doing because we were
looking for it for ourselvesultimately to begin with and
in the way that we're puttingit across. It's the reason
it's called Waste Not Want Notis because it's making the
most of our natural resourcesby maximizing human potential
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and minimizing environmentalwaste because it and again I'm
a human ecologist so we havean ecosystem within the body
and obviously the outsideworld is an ecosystem and one
reflects the other like theocean and it's getting to
understand how the two are.It's all part of the whole big
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picture basically. I did itweekly, so time-consuming for
the first year. Then I did itmonthly, took a year off last
April to start building mytiny home and I walked the
Camino and then I relaunchedit this year on YouTube. Well,
it was on YouTube anyway, butonly in audio and I love
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listening to podcasts byseeing people because you see
the interaction between peopleso I decided I would do the
video so that was anotherlearning curve to edit video
and so I relaunched again inApril and I've done three
episodes so far this year.Love it, love it. It's so
interesting and you know somany things that the fact that
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you've got a media backgroundto begin with. You're happy
showing up and you'reconfident doing all those
things and I know you'recoming from with the
technology thing it's justlike wow this is so much
different but the fact that wecan reach the audiences that
we can never ceases to amazeme. We have the technology
right here. You know, you'rein New Zealand, I'm in
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England, we can do this thing.But then when you mentioned
about the lady making her ownproducts from the goat's milk
because she's allergic tocow's milk, what I noticed is
those people that are doingthose things out of either
necessity or passion, theythink that their story is
boring. No, that is the storythat people want to hear. They
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want to hear that, you know,you couldn't buy the milk from
the supermarket because XYZ oryou couldn't use the cosmetics
because of this, or as you'vementioned about the
environmental impact. There'sso many products. And one of
the things I did a piece yearsand years ago, There are
companies that are makingproducts from waste in the
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ocean and this company theymade, one of the products was
Trainers and they madeTrainers from waste that they
found in the ocean and it wasone of the most high
performing posts I ever didbecause it was that
repurposing so now obviouslythere's a big lens on that and
quite rightly there should be.But with the media that we
have right here, your voicecan be heard, people want to
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hear what you care about andgoing back to your first
point, people don't want tocome on these platforms and
hear all the doom and gloom,they want to hear that people
like you and me are discussingthese things, talking about
these people that are settingup these businesses, that
we're passionate about caringfor the environment, that we
want to reach new audiences,that we have all these wide
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range of passions. With yourquantum science and your
philosophy and the businessesand the fact that anybody can
do this and have thisconversation and other people
are interested in what we haveto say, I will never be bored
by that fact because it's justwhat a fantastic global
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connection we have when youcan just listen in to these
people having these chats onthese podcasts because they're
so very niche. But going backto the visibility and the fact
that you're very, verycomfortable with it, what
would you say then to thosepeople who are afraid to share
their story, that think theirstory is boring, that know
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they need to get visible, butare afraid to do it? What
advice would you give them?Just be you, you just pretend
you're having a conversationbecause you've just touched on
the point that the thing isthat you have a gift, you,
everybody has a gift and thatgift, if you put your energy
into it, it's filling you upand it adds value to other
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people. And I started thepodcast with no idea really
what I was. I mean, I know youdon't actually have to get on
the stage and do, you know,the podcast side of things.
You can just do audio to beginwith, but you'd be surprised
at who listens, how far itgoes. I did one of my early
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ones was With Vida Austin whotalks about water
consciousness, she's a globalphenomenon now, she's a friend
of mine and then I had afriend because I work with
horses as well, equineassisted learning and I was
talking to my friend who hasthe horses, who does the work.
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And he goes to Europe for sixmonths of the year and he was
in Europe in Germany and thischap came up to him and I said
oh I don't because he was fromNew Zealand he said I don't
suppose you know Philippa doyou and we live in the same
village and so this is a chapin Germany who listened to the
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podcast and you just neverknow and I've just had some
amazing connections and Thething is, if you make a
difference, it's getting yourego out of the way. Not
worrying about what you looklike. Just use your
enthusiasm, your energy tomake a difference. If you do
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it to one person, you've doneyour job and it will have a
ripple effect and it reallylifts you up. It does and
that's an interesting thingyou say, getting your ego out
of the way. Once youunderstand that and you
separate it from you, I thinkthat's the key to everything
and understanding that it'snot just about you, it's about
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The audience is so interestingbecause of my analytics and
I'm so grateful. I've gotlisteners all around the world
and I'm just like, wow,someone's listened to me in
Canada or Australia. Toseparate the worrying about
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being judged or worrying aboutwhat you're going to say, no
matter where they are in theworld, someone is going to be
very interested in what youhave to say and I'm so glad
that you have a podcast and anoutlet because the stuff that
you're interested in is justmind-blowingly interesting and
you will undoubtedly havemultiple sets of audiences
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that will want to know deeperthe things that you talk
about. And being, you'rehaving a podcast or something
that's established, it reallydoesn't surprise me that
someone in Germany, you know,that says, oh yeah, and I hear
that a lot actually withpeople that have podcasts. Oh
yeah, you're the such andsuch. And you do tend to move
in the same circles, don't youknow, we're in the similar
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sort of online space. But tohave that view and If you say
something that might reachsomeone or if you say
something that encouragessomeone at a weak moment in
time or they relate to you inthat moment I just think it's
so powerful and not everyonewill have a podcast or is
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comfortable with that but youjust hit the nail on the head
separating your ego from doingthe thing and Anyone that has
their own business, it is noteasy, it's lonely sometimes,
or it's lonely all the time,but for me, these are the
channels because I get to talkto people like you, I get to
be in those groups and also byusing the language and the
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vocabulary, And listening topeople, that helps me do my
next thing or plan my nextcontent and it's just the deep
listening and understanding towhat it is that people
actually want and separatingego. One thing that's really
struck me really of late, it'sbeing relatable and again,
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because I'm also writing abook and my key is going back
to your why, why are you doingwhat you're doing because that
will keep you going andkeeping it relatable because
when you're on social media aswell, you see other people
posting things and I'm havingthis kind of rebranding thing
going on at the moment and I'mI'm tired of the holistic
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spiritual lingo because it'sall saying the same thing and
it's really hard to succinctlysay what you do, pack 60 odd
years of experience togetherin one thing, but it's really
just about being authentic,going back to doing why you're
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doing what you're doing andevery day you just do one
little thing. It makes a hugedifference exponentially it
has a ripple effect and Iapparently with podcasts if
you get to over seven it's ahuge percentage of people give
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up before they reach sevenepisodes. Really? And I can
understand it because it's noteasy and it takes a bit of
work, but it's the same thingwith anything. You know, if
you persist, it gets easier.You realize the value, but I
think people don't understandthe strategy and I'm still
learning. It's the same withsmall businesses as well. If
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you get through the firstyear, you get through that
barrier, there's always a wallisn't there and that's the
seven episode wall or the oneyear wall but it is hard and
if it was easy everybody wouldbe doing it but I think it's
just you don't understand thestrategy and you do learn as
you go along and the thing yousaid about you can't Say
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succinctly in one sentencewhat you do. I find that hard
because sometimes I try to putit in a sentence but I need to
get clients, I need to have achat because there's so much
more to what I do. And I can,I need to understand their
business and then I can go,ah, I can help you with X, Y,
Z and it'll be the same foryou. You know, you can have,
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people are only going to readone sentence about what it is
and it's really hard to getthat in. But usually when I
speak with a client, there'smore to my offer than I can
convey in one sentence. Butyeah, the, and I think that's
what everyone's doing in eachof their own niche and it
probably does end up Beingcondensed into one sentence
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for everyone and because we'rewe're all that's what you're
taught isn't it oh it's yourelevator pitch or you've got
to say it words or less butbut it is it is tough but you
know for anyone listening thekey is I think just just just
keep going just one more dayand I think watch someone
maybe who's a few steps aheadof you and seeing what they're
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doing because I'm not anexpert in in doing these
things. I'm an expert in mycraft and what I do, but I'm
not an expert in running abusiness. I'm not an expert on
podcasts and my podcastjourney was an accident. I had
a coach and it was the firstthing she said, you need a
podcast and I knew I can chat.And I went, okay. And off I
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went, I did it. I had nodesire to be a podcaster, but
I could see the power in itand the brands of it. So for
you, with your background inmedia and all of that, I'm
just curious, and you probablydon't actually, but do you
have any rituals or do youhave anything that you do
beforehand or can you justswitch the camera on and do
it? Because a lot of peoplestruggle with this. So I want
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to be able, for peoplelistening today, I want them
to walk away thinking the nexttime I'm going on camera, I'm
going to do this. Do you haveany tips for anybody? I think
just to get a good microphone,which is a good one, and like
a ring light or something, youcan pick them up cheap, it
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came up. But again, now thetech, phones are just
phenomenal, aren't they? Sodon't worry about it. And
there's so much stuff AIhelps. I mean, I have 20
gazillion ideas, my difficultyis actually creating
structure. So I use AI and Igo in and have this
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conversation and I've got allthese 20 million ideas and I
say like can you help me pullit together and give me some
structure to it and then offI'll go but really when you
listen to those because I doToastmasters as well when you
listen to those that teachonline about speaking,
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communicating, Just be you,don't try and be like somebody
else and because any kind ofbusiness, if you have 10
business mentors and againit's about not taking it
personally because it's allabout the relationship. Some
people love me. Some peoplecan't stand me. I'm too much,
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but I don't take itpersonally. Do you know what I
mean? And that's the importantthing, not to be put off
because somebody says no.Equally, you have a right to
say no to a client becausethey're not. Don't be
desperate just because youwant the business. I mean, it
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may happen to begin with, butbe... Align your values and
what you want and what you'reoffering with the people
because some people aren'tjust going to try and it's,
for me, I'm really onlyinterested in people who are
going to make the effort. Yep.That's really good advice and
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goes back to separating theego. People, when you're
working with your personalbrand and you put yourself out
there and you're creating thispersona, You're not doing it
right if everybody loves youbecause some people aren't
going to like you and that'sokay and I keep trying to tell
people that not everybody'sgoing to like you and that's a
good thing because you want towork with the people that do
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like you and you needsomething that's going to
filter out the people thatdon't match with your values,
that don't match with yourpersonality. Because to get
truly aligned clients theyneed to get you and they need
to be able to fit in with withwhat you do because you want
to get the results for themand do the best work that you
can with them so you know thatthey work well but the
separating the ego wasprobably a really big learning
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curve for me when I did mycoaching qualification. And
when you do get somethingnegative come back at you,
because I think we all do, itreally helps you deal with it
because it's not personal,they don't know me as an
individual, but I have enoughwisdom to say, well, that's
that person's issue, it's notreally about me, but that I
think is an absolute key andyeah, I completely agree with
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everything you said and forme, one of the tips, yeah,
structure, use AI to give yousome framework. One of my tips
would be, and not everyone cando this, but if I'm going on
camera I will have some promptnotes because my short term
memory is dreadful, so I'llspeak and I'll think oh what
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was that as the thoughtleaves, but I will have just
notes, but the one thing Ican't do is a script. And
sometimes I see people whenthey're doing this and I know
they're doing it because it'slike they're reading the news
and they're like this andthey're talking like this and
you know that they're readingoff a teleprompter. So my
advice would be practice untilyou can talk naturally, till
it sounds like you and itdoesn't matter about the ooms
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and the as and me I wave myhands a lot sometimes it's out
of shot. But that's just meand that's my personality and
that's the only way that I canbe the authentic me. But I do
everything unscripted and I'vegot used to hearing myself
back. I don't listen to myselfbut that's the only way you
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can convey you becauseeveryone else is taken and
it's okay to be yourself. Justshow up authentically because
your story is valid youdeserve to take up space no
one is any better than you andthat I think that takes a bit
of time to work on that and tobe comfortable in your own
space and some days are betterthan others but I think that
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that package of good adviceand structure and AI and
watching people ahead there'ssome people that are fantastic
I don't knowhow long they've been doing it
for. I was listening to aninterview with a voice coach
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and Jay Shetty the other dayand Jay Shetty, the podcaster,
he was actually in trainingfrom the age of 11. Yeah, so
far as public speaking isconcerned and things. So we
have no idea. We thinksometimes people are immediate
stars that the journey thatthey've been on and then
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that's the important thing isto Again, just be you, get
used to listening to, takevideos on your phone, get used
to listening to your voice,slow down the pace, she says,
because I talk, when I getenthusiastic, I talk at 100
miles an hour, so that'ssomething I've had to learn
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and to keep things simple,really, yeah, and it's all
about the interaction andrelating. And I do that too
and I notice when I get quiteexcited or passionate about
something, I do talk reallyfast and when I'm in Ireland I
talk really fast, but there'sa word that I write down
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everywhere to remind myselfand the word is pause and I
write it down because whenyou're speaking, when you're
having to do something, it'sso important to remember that
pause and Sometimes peoplethink they have to fill the
silence but it's it's reallyokay just to stop for a minute
especially when you'respeaking and if you ask your
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audience a question you needto give them time to answer
that question in their headand for that to land but that
is one of the most importantwords in my world is pause and
yeah slow down I am so guiltyof it but when you've got two
people that are really engagedin a conversation I love that
because they're both going tohell for leather. But that's
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great. That's just what's sogood. And for me, my podcast,
I always describe it as likelistening to a conversation on
a train. And that's why I lovethe podcast world. I don't
quite subscribe to the, andtoday we're going to learn
about this. You know, I didthat when I was at school. So
a podcast for me is listeningto a really good conversation
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and a good chat. So, well,Philippa, I have loved this
and there's so much more toyou. I could have gone on so
many tangents about all theinterests and that, you know,
and you've written your bookand we're going to put that in
the show notes. So tell me,where can we find out more
about you online? My websiteis PhilippaRoss.com and it's
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P-H-I-L-I-P-P-A-R-O-S-S forsugar and it's got all links
to everything on there andyeah links to if you go to the
podcast page it will give youlinks to YouTube and to all
the audio versions as well.Thank you. I will put that in
the show notes and people canget to find out more about you
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from there. Thank you so muchfor joining me. It's been an
absolute pleasure. You're justso fascinated with everything
that you've done and all thatknowledge in your brain is
just, wow! Everything is justso, so interesting. And maybe
you'll come on my podcastagain and we'll go into a bit
more detail about the stuffthat you've talked about. But
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pleasure. Thank you so muchfor having me, Amanda. It's
been a delight. Thank you somuch for spending time with me
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Hello everyone, and welcome toGrow Your Brand with Amanda.
On this podcast today, I havewith me the beautiful Philippa
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Ross. Hello, Philippa. Hi,Amanda. Thanks for having me.
Thank you for joining me. Andthis is our second attempt
because we tried a while agoand the tech wouldn't allow
us. We had all sorts ofgremlins on our connection,
but today everything is goingto be absolutely fine. So
before we get to find out alittle bit more about
Philippa, I'm going to ask mythree probing questions
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because I'm really nosy and Ilove finding out what makes
people tick and it's usuallythe source of these three
questions. So, first of all,Philippa, do you have a
favourite motivational song? Ihave lots, but I think Tina
Turner, Simply The Best is, orit's actually just called The
Best, is one that gets the oldjuices flowing in for me.
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Yeah, that's a real powersong, isn't it? I think that
would get anybody up dancingor totally motivated to get
going. Yeah. Oh, she's such anicon. I love her. Do you know,
my favorite song that they didtogether was Proud Mary. I
just love that song. It's justone of my favorites. Do you
have a favorite motivationalquote? I do and it underpins
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all my work and it's fromRalph Waldo Emerson and it's
to be yourself in a worldthat's trying to make you
someone else is the greatestaccomplishment. Yeah, and as
evidenced on social media.When everyone's trying to be
someone else. Yeah, I lovethat. I've not heard that one
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before. That's a really goodone. Thank you. Do you read?
Do you have a favorite book?I'm a bookworm and it's really
hard. To pen it down, but Ilove fun, playful things, but
most of my reading isphilosophical and nonfiction,
but I love the Tao of Pooh andthe Tea of Piglet, which is,
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I've got it here. It'sWinnie the Pooh and all the
gang explaining through theauthor the principles of
Taoism and living in harmonywith nature and bringing out
the best urinate intelligence.Wow, this is a lot of wisdom
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with that little burr. Oh, Ilove Woody the Pooh anyway,
but that's really interesting.I'm going to look up that
book. I've not seen thatbefore. Oh, thank you so much
for that. And I love that youlike philosophical books. So
that must mean that you're adeep thinker. Oh, very much.
Pondering life's mystery. Sothis is going to be very
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interesting. So tell us aboutyour business, what inspired
you to start it and how yourpersonal story shaped your
brand. What inspired me tostart it? Well I emigrated
from England 21 years ago andyes and I was in the south of
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England and I had done a openuniversity degree in
psychology and I'd worked fortwo years for this Doctor who
is a psychologist andpsychotherapist in this home
for parents who are provingthat they're worth to take
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their children home and so Igot my degree in psychology
and he said to me as I wasleaving you should start
something up like thisyourself. And, you know,
typical, you think, oh, Icouldn't possibly do that. But
anyway, I got to New Zealand,had to settle in. And I
remember going, it was morethe counselling side of
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things. And I went to thelikes of, I'm just trying to
remember what it was inEngland. It was child, youth
and family basically andacting as an agent for them so
it's a government agency andthe difficulty is that they
wanted me to have an honorsdegree but it's an
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undergraduate so they wantedme to have a postgraduate. I
wasn't good enough so theysaid no. So I thought I'd done
six years open learning and Iwas over. I'm going on further
with my studying so I justthought I'll just make a name
for myself and within eightmonths they asked me to help
them out. And, but it's asystem and I really abhorred
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the system and it put peoplein boxes and as time went on,
I began to expand my thinkingprocess outside of psychology,
it's a good foundation, but Idon't like putting people in
boxes because we're alldifferent and we all have
different experiences. So Igrew the holistic side things
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and then studied quantumscience And so I did some
counseling for a little bit,but just evolved over the
years and stopped and startedand stopped and started with
children and life's littleobstacles that get in the way.
And I've just kind ofrelaunched again and at the
tender age of 63, approaching64, I've got a lot of wisdom.
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I've got t-shirts of everyconceivable color in the
wardrobe, so been there, doneit, done most things. So it's
not all just textbook stuffand it's really personal
development and growing andevolving holistically. Did you
say quantum physics or quantumscience? Yeah. Wow. That's so
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interesting. That'sfascinating. So you've got
this broad range of intereststhat are kind of intrinsically
linked to the one thing. And Itotally agree with you about
not putting people in boxes. Ihate labels. And I see it a
lot, people are desperate tolabel themselves as having
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something or being somethingor belonging somewhere and I
don't like it, I've never doneit, I'd rather just be, but
that's just so unbelievablyinteresting, you said
something interesting aboutmaking a name for yourself and
that brings me on to my nextquestion about visibility, so
the turning point when yourealised you had to be more
visible rather than holding onto the So what changed after
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that then when you realisedthat visibility was more
important at that time? Ithink it's not necessarily
visibility, but it's it's beena whole journey of being
authentic and being and that'sultimately what I'm doing is
helping people get in touchwith the essence of who they
are. So you have to walk thetalk yourself, basically. And
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it's really again, it goesback to my own failure at
school and walking the talk.So far as visibility is
concerned, it's drawing on allthe things that you are, that
fill you up, that you're goodat. The other side of me is
that I'm a thalassophile,which means ocean lover. My
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great, great, greatgrandfather, he was a... was
in the Navy and he usedthe Earth's magnetic field to
discover different placesaround the world. So he went
to the Arctic He was therenine winters, so he did six
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visits, got stuck for threeyears in the Arctic, they
thought he was dead and hediscovered the North Magnetic
Pole and he also discoveredthe Ross Sea region in
Antarctica. So it's quiteironic that I help people find
their true north. Using theEarth's magnetic field with my
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interest in quantum science.So it kind of all comes
together. You know, lifeevolves and there's no
particular turning point. Youknow, it was my own failure at
school, seeing what mychildren went through, what
clients went through andworking with a system, what I
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liked, what I didn't like andactually offering something
that made a difference. Wow,that's so incredible. So how
do you work with your clientsthen? What do you do? What
methodology do you use to getthem to where they want to be?
Well, typical me, I've justdrawn on so much resources and
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information over the yearsthat I've developed my own
process. I call it PIP, whichis Personal Intelligence
Process and PIP is mynickname. I'm obsessed with...
I use acronyms because theyhelp me remember stuff and
it's really it's becauseultimately anyone who's going
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to support someone you wantthem to be able to give them
the tools for them to do itthemselves and yes you can and
come back and help them alongthe way but ultimately you're
helping them on the way bywalking alongside them so they
then have tools that they canAnd it has that ripple effect.
So it's really getting peoplein touch with what energizes
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their soul, heart, mind, andbody and basically forgetting
all the conditions that wehave, all those shoulds and
all those limiting beliefsthat get in the way of
stopping us and keeping ussmall. Yeah. And you said
something earlier about doingsomething that you love. And
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what your heart is leading youtowards. And I always see it
in people's faces when they'retalking about the thing that
they're most passionate about,because it just emanates from
their face straight away andleading people towards that. I
just think it's the greatestgift to be able to help
someone. And I know you have aYouTube channel, so tell me a
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bit more about that and whatyou do, because it has an
interesting title. Well, Istarted a podcast in December
2021. I just turned 60 in theJuly and I thought I'd
challenge myself. I haveworked in TV, radio and
newspapers. And so I thoughtI'd put that to good use. But
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back in my day, we used toedit stuff like real estate
and actually cut the tape. Butnow it's all digital, isn't
it? So it's very, verydifferent. But I got someone
locals helping me with thesoftware. And ultimately there
was so much doom and gloomwhich really peed me off. And
I know, like yourself, there'sso many of us, so many people
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doing extraordinary things whogo right under the radar. And
having worked in media, thebosses always said, oh, bad
news sells. And I just think,well, It's like the title of
my book, life's a load ofballs. It's an actual load of
bollocks basically becausewhat's uplifting and keeps
people going and giving themhope is recognizing that
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there's positive stuff outthere. So I just collected, I
just know so many people I'vecome across over the years and
inspirational stories from thegirl next door who's making
goats, She had milk soapsbecause she was allergic to
cow's milk. Everybody has astory behind what they do and
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most of us are doing whatwe're doing because we were
looking for it for ourselvesultimately to begin with and
in the way that we're puttingit across. It's the reason
it's called Waste Not Want Notis because it's making the
most of our natural resourcesby maximizing human potential
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and minimizing environmentalwaste because it and again I'm
a human ecologist so we havean ecosystem within the body
and obviously the outsideworld is an ecosystem and one
reflects the other like theocean and it's getting to
understand how the two are.It's all part of the whole big
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picture basically. I did itweekly, so time-consuming for
the first year. Then I did itmonthly, took a year off last
April to start building mytiny home and I walked the
Camino and then I relaunchedit this year on YouTube. Well,
it was on YouTube anyway, butonly in audio and I love
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listening to podcasts byseeing people because you see
the interaction between peopleso I decided I would do the
video so that was anotherlearning curve to edit video
and so I relaunched again inApril and I've done three
episodes so far this year.Love it, love it. It's so
interesting and you know somany things that the fact that
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you've got a media backgroundto begin with. You're happy
showing up and you'reconfident doing all those
things and I know you'recoming from with the
technology thing it's justlike wow this is so much
different but the fact that wecan reach the audiences that
we can never ceases to amazeme. We have the technology
right here. You know, you'rein New Zealand, I'm in
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England, we can do this thing.But then when you mentioned
about the lady making her ownproducts from the goat's milk
because she's allergic tocow's milk, what I noticed is
those people that are doingthose things out of either
necessity or passion, theythink that their story is
boring. No, that is the storythat people want to hear. They
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want to hear that, you know,you couldn't buy the milk from
the supermarket because XYZ oryou couldn't use the cosmetics
because of this, or as you'vementioned about the
environmental impact. There'sso many products. And one of
the things I did a piece yearsand years ago, There are
companies that are makingproducts from waste in the
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ocean and this company theymade, one of the products was
Trainers and they madeTrainers from waste that they
found in the ocean and it wasone of the most high
performing posts I ever didbecause it was that
repurposing so now obviouslythere's a big lens on that and
quite rightly there should be.But with the media that we
have right here, your voicecan be heard, people want to
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hear what you care about andgoing back to your first
point, people don't want tocome on these platforms and
hear all the doom and gloom,they want to hear that people
like you and me are discussingthese things, talking about
these people that are settingup these businesses, that
we're passionate about caringfor the environment, that we
want to reach new audiences,that we have all these wide
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range of passions. With yourquantum science and your
philosophy and the businessesand the fact that anybody can
do this and have thisconversation and other people
are interested in what we haveto say, I will never be bored
by that fact because it's justwhat a fantastic global
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connection we have when youcan just listen in to these
people having these chats onthese podcasts because they're
so very niche. But going backto the visibility and the fact
that you're very, verycomfortable with it, what
would you say then to thosepeople who are afraid to share
their story, that think theirstory is boring, that know
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they need to get visible, butare afraid to do it? What
advice would you give them?Just be you, you just pretend
you're having a conversationbecause you've just touched on
the point that the thing isthat you have a gift, you,
everybody has a gift and thatgift, if you put your energy
into it, it's filling you upand it adds value to other
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people. And I started thepodcast with no idea really
what I was. I mean, I know youdon't actually have to get on
the stage and do, you know,the podcast side of things.
You can just do audio to beginwith, but you'd be surprised
at who listens, how far itgoes. I did one of my early
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ones was With Vida Austin whotalks about water
consciousness, she's a globalphenomenon now, she's a friend
of mine and then I had afriend because I work with
horses as well, equineassisted learning and I was
talking to my friend who hasthe horses, who does the work.
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And he goes to Europe for sixmonths of the year and he was
in Europe in Germany and thischap came up to him and I said
oh I don't because he was fromNew Zealand he said I don't
suppose you know Philippa doyou and we live in the same
village and so this is a chapin Germany who listened to the
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podcast and you just neverknow and I've just had some
amazing connections and Thething is, if you make a
difference, it's getting yourego out of the way. Not
worrying about what you looklike. Just use your
enthusiasm, your energy tomake a difference. If you do
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it to one person, you've doneyour job and it will have a
ripple effect and it reallylifts you up. It does and
that's an interesting thingyou say, getting your ego out
of the way. Once youunderstand that and you
separate it from you, I thinkthat's the key to everything
and understanding that it'snot just about you, it's about
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The audience is so interestingbecause of my analytics and
I'm so grateful. I've gotlisteners all around the world
and I'm just like, wow,someone's listened to me in
Canada or Australia. Toseparate the worrying about
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being judged or worrying aboutwhat you're going to say, no
matter where they are in theworld, someone is going to be
very interested in what youhave to say and I'm so glad
that you have a podcast and anoutlet because the stuff that
you're interested in is justmind-blowingly interesting and
you will undoubtedly havemultiple sets of audiences
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that will want to know deeperthe things that you talk
about. And being, you'rehaving a podcast or something
that's established, it reallydoesn't surprise me that
someone in Germany, you know,that says, oh yeah, and I hear
that a lot actually withpeople that have podcasts. Oh
yeah, you're the such andsuch. And you do tend to move
in the same circles, don't youknow, we're in the similar
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sort of online space. But tohave that view and If you say
something that might reachsomeone or if you say
something that encouragessomeone at a weak moment in
time or they relate to you inthat moment I just think it's
so powerful and not everyonewill have a podcast or is
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comfortable with that but youjust hit the nail on the head
separating your ego from doingthe thing and Anyone that has
their own business, it is noteasy, it's lonely sometimes,
or it's lonely all the time,but for me, these are the
channels because I get to talkto people like you, I get to
be in those groups and also byusing the language and the
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vocabulary, And listening topeople, that helps me do my
next thing or plan my nextcontent and it's just the deep
listening and understanding towhat it is that people
actually want and separatingego. One thing that's really
struck me really of late, it'sbeing relatable and again,
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because I'm also writing abook and my key is going back
to your why, why are you doingwhat you're doing because that
will keep you going andkeeping it relatable because
when you're on social media aswell, you see other people
posting things and I'm havingthis kind of rebranding thing
going on at the moment and I'mI'm tired of the holistic
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spiritual lingo because it'sall saying the same thing and
it's really hard to succinctlysay what you do, pack 60 odd
years of experience togetherin one thing, but it's really
just about being authentic,going back to doing why you're
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doing what you're doing andevery day you just do one
little thing. It makes a hugedifference exponentially it
has a ripple effect and Iapparently with podcasts if
you get to over seven it's ahuge percentage of people give
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up before they reach sevenepisodes. Really? And I can
understand it because it's noteasy and it takes a bit of
work, but it's the same thingwith anything. You know, if
you persist, it gets easier.You realize the value, but I
think people don't understandthe strategy and I'm still
learning. It's the same withsmall businesses as well. If
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you get through the firstyear, you get through that
barrier, there's always a wallisn't there and that's the
seven episode wall or the oneyear wall but it is hard and
if it was easy everybody wouldbe doing it but I think it's
just you don't understand thestrategy and you do learn as
you go along and the thing yousaid about you can't Say
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succinctly in one sentencewhat you do. I find that hard
because sometimes I try to putit in a sentence but I need to
get clients, I need to have achat because there's so much
more to what I do. And I can,I need to understand their
business and then I can go,ah, I can help you with X, Y,
Z and it'll be the same foryou. You know, you can have,
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people are only going to readone sentence about what it is
and it's really hard to getthat in. But usually when I
speak with a client, there'smore to my offer than I can
convey in one sentence. Butyeah, the, and I think that's
what everyone's doing in eachof their own niche and it
probably does end up Beingcondensed into one sentence
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for everyone and because we'rewe're all that's what you're
taught isn't it oh it's yourelevator pitch or you've got
to say it words or less butbut it is it is tough but you
know for anyone listening thekey is I think just just just
keep going just one more dayand I think watch someone
maybe who's a few steps aheadof you and seeing what they're
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doing because I'm not anexpert in in doing these
things. I'm an expert in mycraft and what I do, but I'm
not an expert in running abusiness. I'm not an expert on
podcasts and my podcastjourney was an accident. I had
a coach and it was the firstthing she said, you need a
podcast and I knew I can chat.And I went, okay. And off I
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went, I did it. I had nodesire to be a podcaster, but
I could see the power in itand the brands of it. So for
you, with your background inmedia and all of that, I'm
just curious, and you probablydon't actually, but do you
have any rituals or do youhave anything that you do
beforehand or can you justswitch the camera on and do
it? Because a lot of peoplestruggle with this. So I want
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to be able, for peoplelistening today, I want them
to walk away thinking the nexttime I'm going on camera, I'm
going to do this. Do you haveany tips for anybody? I think
just to get a good microphone,which is a good one, and like
a ring light or something, youcan pick them up cheap, it
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came up. But again, now thetech, phones are just
phenomenal, aren't they? Sodon't worry about it. And
there's so much stuff AIhelps. I mean, I have 20
gazillion ideas, my difficultyis actually creating
structure. So I use AI and Igo in and have this
(25:38):
conversation and I've got allthese 20 million ideas and I
say like can you help me pullit together and give me some
structure to it and then offI'll go but really when you
listen to those because I doToastmasters as well when you
listen to those that teachonline about speaking,
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communicating, Just be you,don't try and be like somebody
else and because any kind ofbusiness, if you have 10
business mentors and againit's about not taking it
personally because it's allabout the relationship. Some
people love me. Some peoplecan't stand me. I'm too much,
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but I don't take itpersonally. Do you know what I
mean? And that's the importantthing, not to be put off
because somebody says no.Equally, you have a right to
say no to a client becausethey're not. Don't be
desperate just because youwant the business. I mean, it
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may happen to begin with, butbe... Align your values and
what you want and what you'reoffering with the people
because some people aren'tjust going to try and it's,
for me, I'm really onlyinterested in people who are
going to make the effort. Yep.That's really good advice and
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goes back to separating theego. People, when you're
working with your personalbrand and you put yourself out
there and you're creating thispersona, You're not doing it
right if everybody loves youbecause some people aren't
going to like you and that'sokay and I keep trying to tell
people that not everybody'sgoing to like you and that's a
good thing because you want towork with the people that do
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like you and you needsomething that's going to
filter out the people thatdon't match with your values,
that don't match with yourpersonality. Because to get
truly aligned clients theyneed to get you and they need
to be able to fit in with withwhat you do because you want
to get the results for themand do the best work that you
can with them so you know thatthey work well but the
separating the ego wasprobably a really big learning
(27:49):
curve for me when I did mycoaching qualification. And
when you do get somethingnegative come back at you,
because I think we all do, itreally helps you deal with it
because it's not personal,they don't know me as an
individual, but I have enoughwisdom to say, well, that's
that person's issue, it's notreally about me, but that I
think is an absolute key andyeah, I completely agree with
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everything you said and forme, one of the tips, yeah,
structure, use AI to give yousome framework. One of my tips
would be, and not everyone cando this, but if I'm going on
camera I will have some promptnotes because my short term
memory is dreadful, so I'llspeak and I'll think oh what
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was that as the thoughtleaves, but I will have just
notes, but the one thing Ican't do is a script. And
sometimes I see people whenthey're doing this and I know
they're doing it because it'slike they're reading the news
and they're like this andthey're talking like this and
you know that they're readingoff a teleprompter. So my
advice would be practice untilyou can talk naturally, till
it sounds like you and itdoesn't matter about the ooms
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and the as and me I wave myhands a lot sometimes it's out
of shot. But that's just meand that's my personality and
that's the only way that I canbe the authentic me. But I do
everything unscripted and I'vegot used to hearing myself
back. I don't listen to myselfbut that's the only way you
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can convey you becauseeveryone else is taken and
it's okay to be yourself. Justshow up authentically because
your story is valid youdeserve to take up space no
one is any better than you andthat I think that takes a bit
of time to work on that and tobe comfortable in your own
space and some days are betterthan others but I think that
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that package of good adviceand structure and AI and
watching people ahead there'ssome people that are fantastic
I don't knowhow long they've been doing it
for. I was listening to aninterview with a voice coach
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and Jay Shetty the other dayand Jay Shetty, the podcaster,
he was actually in trainingfrom the age of 11. Yeah, so
far as public speaking isconcerned and things. So we
have no idea. We thinksometimes people are immediate
stars that the journey thatthey've been on and then
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that's the important thing isto Again, just be you, get
used to listening to, takevideos on your phone, get used
to listening to your voice,slow down the pace, she says,
because I talk, when I getenthusiastic, I talk at 100
miles an hour, so that'ssomething I've had to learn
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and to keep things simple,really, yeah, and it's all
about the interaction andrelating. And I do that too
and I notice when I get quiteexcited or passionate about
something, I do talk reallyfast and when I'm in Ireland I
talk really fast, but there'sa word that I write down
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everywhere to remind myselfand the word is pause and I
write it down because whenyou're speaking, when you're
having to do something, it'sso important to remember that
pause and Sometimes peoplethink they have to fill the
silence but it's it's reallyokay just to stop for a minute
especially when you'respeaking and if you ask your
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audience a question you needto give them time to answer
that question in their headand for that to land but that
is one of the most importantwords in my world is pause and
yeah slow down I am so guiltyof it but when you've got two
people that are really engagedin a conversation I love that
because they're both going tohell for leather. But that's
(31:50):
great. That's just what's sogood. And for me, my podcast,
I always describe it as likelistening to a conversation on
a train. And that's why I lovethe podcast world. I don't
quite subscribe to the, andtoday we're going to learn
about this. You know, I didthat when I was at school. So
a podcast for me is listeningto a really good conversation
(32:12):
and a good chat. So, well,Philippa, I have loved this
and there's so much more toyou. I could have gone on so
many tangents about all theinterests and that, you know,
and you've written your bookand we're going to put that in
the show notes. So tell me,where can we find out more
about you online? My websiteis PhilippaRoss.com and it's
(32:34):
P-H-I-L-I-P-P-A-R-O-S-S forsugar and it's got all links
to everything on there andyeah links to if you go to the
podcast page it will give youlinks to YouTube and to all
the audio versions as well.Thank you. I will put that in
the show notes and people canget to find out more about you
(32:55):
from there. Thank you so muchfor joining me. It's been an
absolute pleasure. You're justso fascinated with everything
that you've done and all thatknowledge in your brain is
just, wow! Everything is justso, so interesting. And maybe
you'll come on my podcastagain and we'll go into a bit
more detail about the stuffthat you've talked about. But
(33:16):
thank you so much for joiningme. It's been an absolute
pleasure. Thank you so muchfor having me, Amanda. It's
been a delight. Thank you somuch for spending time with me
today. If you have enjoyedthis episode, please leave a
review and share it with abusiness bestie who might also
find it useful. You have beenlistening to the Grow Your
Brand with Amanda podcast. Ifyou want to know more about
(33:38):
how I can help you grow yourbrand, then visit my website
amandajane.co.uk or come andsay hi on Instagram at
CoachAmandaJane. Bye for now.
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