July 31, 2024 • 50 mins
Welcome to the Haunts and Legends Podcast! After a brief hiatus, hosts Ray and Sierra return with a compelling episode dedicated to the mysterious Philadelphia Experiment. This controversial topic delves into the alleged World War II naval experiment that supposedly involved invisibility, teleportation, and even time travel.
Join Ray and Sierra as they explore the origins of the story, the key figures involved, and the conflicting reports surrounding the event. The episode examines the claims of Carl M. Allen, who detailed his firsthand account of the experiment, and the tragic fate of author Morris Jessup, who investigated the phenomenon.
Was the Philadelphia Experiment a genuine military endeavor, or a masterful fabrication? Could the strange occurrences have been a result of government cover-ups or the figment of a troubled mind? Tune in to unravel the layers of this perplexing tale and decide for yourself.
Don't miss next week's episode on the Velisca Axe Murder House, airing Tuesday at 7 p.m. Stay spooky!
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Music.
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Music.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Haunts and Legends Podcast. I'm your host,
Ray, and this is my co-host. I'm Sierra.
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Unfortunately, we had to take a week off last week due to some unforeseen circumstances,
but we're back, and we will be here every single week, Tuesdays at 7 p.m. Absolutely.
Absolutely. How is everybody? How was your week, Ray? Oh yes, hello mom.
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It's alright, just working.
Fair, I feel like that's all we do, is work.
Hi Jess! Hey Icy! Hi!
We missed you guys too, it felt so weird not having a podcast last week.
Yeah, it did. Not being able to talk to all you guys, like, it was weird.
It was, I did not like it, so let's not do that again. But today,
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we are bringing you an episode on the Philadelphia Experiment.
Now, I wonder how many people actually know of this experiment.
Maybe a lot of people in this area would hear about it, but I don't know how widely known it is.
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There has been a couple of movies made, one in the 80s and one in like 2013,
but they are very much science fiction.
And I mean, I watched the one from 2013.
It was okay. It wasn't nothing to write home about. It was more silly than anything.
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Definitely a little bit more silly.
Oh, you both clicked on it. I heard of it, but I'm not fully knowledgeable about it.
I wasn't either until I did research about it. I've known about it for a while.
I've known about it for about a year now.
Now i first heard about it on a about 4 a.m trip to sheets after an investigation,
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and someone trying to raffle off someone else's food it was a horrible experience
at that sheets but we are all sitting down and one of the people that i was
with was telling me the story and i'm
like what that's crazy like i've
known about it for well over 10 years i've seen tv shows about it long time
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ago yeah it's there's there's some stuff out there but there's not there's not too much,
not too much was it a cover-up we are going to find out,
Do you think it really happened? Let me ask you that.
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I don't know. There's so many things in this world that we'll never figure out.
When you're dealing with governments who have so much power and say in the world.
It's really hard to say. I mean, could have, could the government have been
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into some sort of time travel experiment back in the day?
I know like this happened during world war two.
So you bring in like multiple different experiments that every single government
who wants to win this war is doing, you know, you have the U S on their own experiment.
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You know the philadelphia experiment i'm sure there's a multitude of other experiments
that have been going on then you go to the nazis when they were working on so i believe it's called uh,
is it the glocka is it glocka whatever it was where they were like building an actual.
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Like UFO type objects.
I'll show you some documents on that.
But every single government that was trying to win this war was having their
own experience with this.
Right. But did they succeed?
No. The U.S. won the war with a nuclear bomb, so.
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That is true. That is true. Good morning, Damien.
I'm in a cemetery blowing Blowing death was level 30 minutes.
It started at midnight. We'll stop sunrise.
Let us know how that goes.
AC said, I don't know the name, but I know what you're talking about, right? Yes.
So that's one of the things that we'll have to add to our list about that because
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there's a lot of information around the internet about that.
Yeah, absolutely. We can add it to the list, cover it in an episode later on down the road.
The Philadelphia Experiment. Let's get into it. So the Philadelphia Experiment
was an experiment that supposedly took place on October 28th of 1943 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
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which is not far from either of us.
The person who claimed to have seen this event was by the name of Carl M. Allen.
Good old Carl. We are going to hear a lot about Carl throughout this episode.
I do not know if i like carl i do not know if carl is
one that i can trust we'll put
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it that way hi wade did the
philadelphia experiment the manhattan project have anything related i
don't know wade one of the things that i heard that
was related to the philadelphia experiment was actually the
montauk project yeah i
have no idea no idea now good
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old carl says he well first he was a ex-merchant mariner now he was in the marines
but he got discharged from the marines not even a year in service i could not
figure out why he was discharged,
but discharged nonetheless and he spent a lot of time on different sailing vessels
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different ships but as a marine no he was in the marines originally he was discharged from the marines.
Less than a year later so he was kicked out of the marines surprised being kicked
out of the marines he was able to he worked on his board of ship as as a navy personnel i don't know.
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I don't know but we'll also
get into later how he goes by more than one name so maybe that's
how he did it okay but he claimed
it as an experiment where the
u.s navy attended to make a destroyer escort
the uss eldridge disappear now
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i often wish i could disappear and
become invisible so like can we like
teach that technology somewhere because that'd be be great so he he says that
this event happened in 1943 right however he did not say anything and nobody
knew this happened until 1955 until 1955 so.
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12 years later, you're now saying something about it.
Now, was he scared? Like, if he did see this, did he think, like,
oh, crap, like, I don't think I was supposed to see this and kept his mouth
shut because he didn't want to be, like, hunted by the government? Possible.
Damien said, phase shifting using frequency resonation. Okay.
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Wade said, was the Philadelphia experience when the Navy aircraft carrier time traveled?
Yes. It was made into a movie many years later. The film has now been restored.
It's a fascinating story and a movie to blow your socks off.
It was interesting. It was an interesting movie. It was more science fiction.
So the details in the movie are more exaggerated, I think. Yeah.
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So 1955, 12 years later, Carl, good old Carl, decides to tell somebody about this.
He sends a book full of notes and different writings, scribbles, whatever, to the U.S.
Navy Research Organization, as well as a series of letters he sent to a book
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writer on who wrote books about the UFO, about UFOs.
To this day, the Navy claims that no such event took place. No experiment took place.
Nothing like that. that it doesn't line up with facts that we know as far as
like the both ships whereabouts and stuff like that. And they say it also goes
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against the law of physics.
Yeah. Now, is that just a cover up? Probably.
As I said earlier, there's I think it would be a little silly of us all to think
that the government doesn't cover things up.
Wade said, are any crew members still alive and do they testify to the experiments?
I did not find anybody alive. I did not find anybody that like survived that
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wasn't like mentally insane.
The ship still exist i i don't know does it right i didn't see anything about
it being decommissioned.
That's a very good question wade i'll have to get back to you on that but going
back to good old carl good old crazy carl in late 1955 mr quarrel sent an anonymous
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package labeled Happy Easter,
to the U.S. Office of Naval Research.
Now, first thing, if it's in late 1955, why is he saying Happy Easter?
Wouldn't it be like Thanksgiving time, Christmas time? Why is he saying Happy Easter?
I mean, it's something very small, but when I read that, I was like, that's weird.
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But nonetheless, within that package, do you got something?
I do. I have the service history of the USS Eldridge. So the USS Eldridge was built in 1942.
The ship was 1260 feet standard,
length of 306 feet OA by 300 feet WL.
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I'm not a naval person, so I'm not really too sure about what ship measurements are.
But between January 4th of 1944 and May 9th of 1945,
the Eldridge sailed in a vital task of escorting to the Mediterranean Sea men
and materials to support allied operations in North Africa and on into the southern Europe.
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She made nine voyages to deliver convoys safely to Casablanca, Berserk and Oran.
Elders deported new york city on
may 28th of 1945 to service in the
pacific en route to sapin in july she made contact with an underwater object
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and immediately attacked but no results were observed she arrived in okinawa
on august 7th for local escort and patrol and with the end of hostilities a week later,
continued to serve as escort on the Sapin-Ulthi-Okinawa routes until November.
Eldridge was placed out of commission in reserve on June 7th of 1946.
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On January 15th of 1951, she was transferred under the Mutual Defense Assistance
Act into Greece, where she served as Leon.
Leon was discommissioned on November 5th of 1992.
And on November 11th of 1999, it was sold as scrap to Piraeus-based firm V&J
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Scrap Metal Trading Limited.
Well damn so it was scrapped in the 90s yep scrapped in 1999 and it changed
and if i understand correctly it changed its name to leon yes greece changed its name to leon,
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well that's interesting so no it is not does not exist anymore more mom said
can you imagine being able to investigate that ship i would if i had the opportunity
absolutely but obviously it's scrap metal now do we know the steel competition.
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Metal but all i got i'm not too sure i could probably dig into it i know a couple
people who actually worked for the ship was built so oh so you got contacts
is what you're saying yeah it was uh built in the philadelphia naval shipyard,
well we're gonna go back to carl now good old carl so like i said he sent this
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anonymous package he didn't write to put a return address nothing to the u.s
office of navy research he,
labeled it happy easter again in late 1955 did he just expect it to take a long
time to get there I don't know.
But within that package was a copy of a book called The Case for the UFO,
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Unidentified Flying Object, that was written by good old Morris Jessup.
We're going to learn more about Morris as time goes on as well.
When they received the book, they opened the book up, right?
Within that book was a bunch of scribbles, a bunch of people just writing in the margins,
Crossing things out Writing different things Like people had completely like
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edited And added notes within this book However there was three different types
of blue ink One was like a blue green One was a regular blue And one was like a darker blue.
When they seen this, they believed that there were three different people corresponding
within this book, whether they were passing it around.
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They almost were like arguing with each other. They would agree on some things.
They would like go back and forth like banter. Like you could tell that there
was conversations and conversations happening within those pages.
One person, we don't know who it was.
They referred to them as Jemmy. The other person, Mr. B, is completely unknown.
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And Mr. A, we will later find out, was Mr. Carl himself.
The note-takers within this book were commenting on Jessup's ideas about flying
saucers, alien races, talking about how Jessup was too close to discovering their technology.
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Technology so was there really aliens writing in these books do aliens walk among us,
let's go to these comments again is there any stories about any metal used in
the other in other ships having paranormal activity afterwards that is a good
thought it would be interesting to know like what all that scrap metal went to yeah.
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Things that i got i was paying attention like that really got me was like there was reports of,
people like walking through walls and stuff but these people were supposedly seeing like actual,
human beings walking through the walls and it made me wonder like you know as
a paranormal investigator were they seeing spirits actually walking through the walls rather than.
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Actual people melting into
the steel of of a ship because the
reports are like some of the crew member that
were supposedly walking on this ship were just like walking into the walls and
then disappearing and melting into the steel out of nowhere but you then you
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watch a lot of like paranormal shows where people are investigating old warships from decades
ago and seeing apparitions of Navy personnel, stuff like that.
So that's what really made me think about, I think these people were seeing
like the spirits of crew members rather than actual human beings.
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That could be. Now, what about the claim about the people? Like,
had that gone like completely insane?
Would that be close to now? If these, for whatever reason, if these fear,
If these people died a violent death upon that ship, you know,
you could hear screaming.
But we've been to locations where we've heard people screaming.
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Yeah. But without any actual, I guess, proof of what that ship was used for,
we'll just, I mean, something we'll never know about what they went through
with certain points of the war.
Right. I mean, we got to think back back in 1943, like this was during World War Two.
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A lot of craziness going on.
Craziness could it have been
ghosts maybe if it
if if this even happened you know see
because i don't know if i'm convinced that it did happen but there
are things that i'll get into a little bit later
that's like hmm but what if it did i think
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it's very possible that you run into the the
whole energy spirits rather
than legitimate humans you
know melting into steel and stuff like that i mean
if you think if let's just
let's just play with the thought right if something's traveling
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through time right it has to dematerialize in
one place and rematerialize in another place right
right so and we'll even
say this if you look at like tv shows right there's sometimes
when people time travel they will go
into their destination and they will be kind of morphed together because again
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time travel you're dematerializing and if you're coming to the other side to
your destination in between that what's keeping all of your energy and your parts,
just to yourself and not to anybody else?
You know, what's keeping you from morphing in with something else?
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If that's what we believe, that this ship teleported, right?
It dematerialized with all of these people on it.
And it rematerialized at its location. And it's at its destination.
What was keeping those sailors and the shipmates from materializing within the ship?
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Now, if I did believe that this happened, which, again, I don't know.
But that's the way i would look at it when they say oh people were morphed into the ship.
Like from my understanding on how i believe
time travel to work then i would think that that's how it would be you dematerialize
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in one place you rematerialize but there's nothing stopping you from materializing
with the thing that you're going with just yeah but then it brings you Back to the whole,
why were these people melted, per se, into the ship?
It could have been that the whole, maybe this whole experiment was so new that
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they didn't have it fully figured out to where issues occurred.
Yeah, I mean, with any experiment, there's trial and error, right?
Yeah. maybe the the
error was the philadelphia experiment they're like oh crap can't do that like
that's especially with people that can see it all right let me before i start
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reading again let me catch up on remnants will still exist in some form out
from the metal and the ship absolutely.
Maybe they reanimated the dead and they formed where they were attached to. Maybe.
But going back to these good old mystery writers, the three of them referred
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to themselves as gypsies.
And they also discussed two different types of people living in outer space.
Now, don't even get me started on space. Again, I think it's very silly to believe
that we are the only intelligent life force out there in all of space.
There's probably more advanced absolutely out
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there somewhere so i believe there's probably people living
up there in january of
1956 good old carl started sending letters
to the author jessup sometimes he
used his real name which was carl m allen his middle
name's meredith by the way who names that
gives their son a middle name of meredith i don't know but whatever but he either
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used carl m allen or he used carl or carlos miguel alende so he had an alias his first letter.
To mr jessup was basically to warn him to stop investigating ufos he was like
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hey bro like don't do it anymore probably not a good idea so jessup was just
like i like i'm sure he was like Like, well, this guy is weird.
Like, I don't even know who this is, but he's weird.
But Alan kept sending him letters.
So, going back to Carl, he's the one who claimed to witness the Philadelphia experiment.
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Well, he was aboard the SS Andrew Ferseth.
Ferseth, I think that's how you pronounce it. What he claims was that there
was a destroyer escort that had turned invisible,
teleported 300 plus miles away to North Virginia for several minutes,
and then came back to Philadelphia.
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Philadelphia and what he said was that when this when this ship teleported and
like disappeared the water where
the ship was previously at was still displaced as if like you know if you,
brain fart it was like the ship was still sitting in the water it was just invisible,
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like there was still the bow in the water from where the ship was for several
minutes apparently He also claims of a blue-green glow surrounding the hull
of the ship as the generator spun and then the Eldritch disappeared.
So I don't know what could emit a blue-green glow, but okay.
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He claimed that the crew that was aboard the Eldritch suffered from various
different side effects.
Some insanity, others were frozen in place, like morphed in with the ship.
Or even just frozen there.
Others had, when the ship came back, apparently reappeared with their bodies inside out.
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Which is kind of gross to imagine. And they said that people,
like, vanished completely. So you have people that disappeared.
People that went crazy. People that were frozen.
People that were morphed into the ship. Like, that's a whole lot of stuff.
That's a whole lot of side effects. A whole lot.
Now, so this, January 1956, Allen started sending letters to Jessup, right?
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In 1955, Allen reached out, sent the anonymous package.
So in 1957, good old Jessup was invited to the Office of Naval Research and
was like, hey, I need you to look at this book. Like, this is your book.
Like, what's all this stuff in it? so he was looking at all the handwriting
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and everything that was written in this book and he was like hey like i recognize
that like that's carl so he the navy the research center,
they had no idea where this thing came from like
it wasn't in today's age where you have to
have a return address like you can't go and send something to the military without
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a return address yeah you know so jesse came in and he's like no he's like that's
carl like i know for a effect like he's been writing me he showed them all of
the letters and stuff that Carl has been sending him.
So 1969, which is about, what, 14 years later,
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Alan would say that he made everything up, that he wrote the letters to Jess
up to scare the shit out of him, whatever.
But then he soon was like, no, no, no. Like, I was just kidding.
Like, it actually did happen.
So he's very, like, up and down. And he did this several times where he would
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be like, oh, yeah, like, this absolutely happened. And he'd be like,
no, like it didn't. I was just, I was, I was just messing with you guys.
But then he'd be back and be like, no, like it really did. Like, believe me.
So he was very back and forth with it, which kind of made him a little untrustworthy
because you couldn't, you couldn't go and claim, you know, you know,
something and then retract it. Right. Right.
Well, see, here's where it gets interesting.
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My boy, Jessup. Right. He was just trying to make some money,
write some books, live in his best life. Right.
And after this whole thing happens and Carl also wrote to a newspaper about
this, the Philadelphia experiment, and apparently they went and published a story about it.
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But nobody knows what newspaper article it was.
Nothing has turned up. Researchers have tried to find that newspaper article with no luck.
But anyways, my boy Jessup trying to write some books, trying to make some money,
living his best life. All this stuff happens.
His publisher decides to leave him. They're like, hey, you're on your own, bro.
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He tried to publish more books. People People weren't buying them.
Again, he lost his publisher.
So on April 20th of 1959...
Committed suicide. So some people say.
In the days leading up to his death, he had reached out to a few of his friends,
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basically saying, hey, like I'm onto something big.
He was saying about how he was afraid he was getting too close to something.
Like he wasn't afraid that he was going to die or that he was being hunted or
anything, but he was like, I'm getting really close and I don't know if I should
know the things that I know.
So he was getting to a point where some believe that he was learning how the
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Philadelphia Experiment happened, what happened exactly.
Now, again, April 20th, 1959, they found Jessup's car alongside a road with Jessup dead inside.
There had been a hose that ran from his exhaust into one of the back windows.
Now, one of the back windows was only cracked just a little bit.
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The hose was set inside, and there were rags very strategically placed in the
window to remove things from being able to come out, the fumes to be able to come out.
And when he started his car, his car filled with the exhaust fumes, and he died.
Now his death was never investigated at all nobody looked into it there was
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never an autopsy done and this was in 1959 but no investigation no autopsy nothing
they just ruled it as suicide,
now knowing that they that he had reached out to people within his circle being
like hey like i'm onto something.
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I'm onto something big. And then within a couple of weeks, he's found dead.
Yes now he was going through a divorce at that time so maybe he was just a real real big sad boy,
possibly but i i don't think i am to believe that it was an accident or that
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it was a suicide if he truly was getting close to doing for something then absolutely absolutely,
Yeah.
I mean, obviously an autopsy is going to determine that he died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
But if he's getting close to something, there's really no, you know,
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did somebody do it and pull it off as he committed suicide?
I don't know. I don't know. Now,
I'm going to get to some of these comments real quick wade said
when your body is shifting to another dimension i'm
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assuming two things keep you in the aligned frequencies useful
vibration in the original third detention energy frequency energy cannot be
distorted and must continue to vibrate in existence okay so i'm assuming that
is what's going to keep you all of you together right right Right.
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We don't go and hear from damien he probably got like dragged into the woods by a skinwalker,
can you at least get a video on it please thank you wait said interesting how
most of the information is hidden from the general public most people don't
know about this subject matter,
is the last thing is like a lot of people don't know but i also think that a
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lot of people don't ask the right questions i mean even if you did ask the right
questions there are certain,
government agencies going to tell you anyway.
Yeah, they're going to be like, and who are you? Like, goodbye.
Also, another thing about good old Carl, Carl claimed to have spent an extensive
amount of time with Albert Einstein.
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Really? Yep. But when they questioned Einstein, Einstein was like,
nah, bro. Like, I don't know who the hell this is.
Einstein was also potentially part of Project Paperclip. I don't know if I know what that is.
So, Paperclip was part of the whole,
Bringing over Of like Nazi scientists And stuff like that Where the US brought over,
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Scientists Like the guy that was Head of NASA What the hell is his name Von
Braun And he started NASA over here So they brought a bunch of Nazis over To create a bunch of.
Organizations within the u.s government to help
defeat the nazis but also create like
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nasa and stuff like that interesting i don't know but carl claimed to hang out
with with einstein and einstein was basically like i don't know who you are
bro like i've never seen him in my life well i also heard nikola tesla was also
involved with this philadelphia experiment
oh really yes tell us more about that because i did not find that there was
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a video on youtube that i came across where tesla and his experiments potentially had.
Helping into this experiment i mean if you look at the tesla's tesla's work
it was he pretty much had his Tesla's coils which would provide free energy to the people.
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If you actually look into Tesla, there is a certain person that actually confiscated his work.
Do you know who that person is? Who?
Donald Trump's uncle. Really? Yep.
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You want to know something like completely random sure it's about einstein like
i don't know why but for the longest time i thought that einstein was like alive
like way longer than i realized,
like he was his time frame was very longer but it was in the 1950s he was alive
and i was like that really wasn't that long ago yep so i'm like damien damien
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said ex-wife often for settlement and played up his depression.
Probably. Or, you know, it was the government.
Einstein was the first to launch a man-made item into orbit.
That's interesting. Hello, Carmen.
Teslas are weird cars. Have you seen a Tesla truck? They're weird.
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I saw one that got an ice maker in the back of it. So, Carmen,
you have to differentiate.
You have to split up the whole Tesla. to
nikola tesla because nikola tesla
was an actual scientist while the tesla vehicles is the creation of elon musk
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so they're not related at all no they're not related interesting so um.
Good old good old carl never trust
a man named carl i've never met a man named carl that i can trust just want
to put that out there so after jessup died right whether it was by accident
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whether it was a cover story for settlement money damien whether it's the government whatever it was.
Carl went dark nobody could find
him no one could get a hold of him nothing they
were trying to get more information of what he knew about the
philadelphia experiment everybody that tried
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to find him they came up empty-handed there was
a reporter was this the government was trying to find out what he knew reporters
just reported okay at this point it had gone into the alleged newspaper people
were trying to find him i'm sure i'm sure that since jessup came and told,
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the naval research office that like hey like this is the guy that you're looking
for like he's the one who wrote that like the same thing he wrote me i'm sure
they were looking for him too they couldn't find him now there was a reporter
from his hometown of new kensington pennsylvania,
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that got in touch with alan's family and they showed him of various different
documents and books that belonged to alan and all of them were scribbled in
like the book that he sent to the naval office.
Allen's family described him as a person with a fantastic mind,
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but he was also a drifter and master leg puller.
That was interesting now in
case anybody doesn't know what a leg puller is it's like you know
people joking around jokester straight
up jokes there we'll sing anything for a laugh
kind of thing but the experiment
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was allegedly based on an aspect the unified
field theory that was coined by
albert einstein it basically described a class
of potential theories theories that would
aim to describe mathematically and physically the interrelated
nature of the forces of electromagnetism and
gravity and basically using them together instead of keeping them separate using
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it together to possibly travel through time now it was it was never a successful
theory it's actually considered one of his,
I don't want to call it a failed theory,
but nonetheless.
During 1943 and 1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance.
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He undertook theoretical research on explosives and explosions,
and there was no indication that Einstein was involved in any research relevant
to invisibility and or teleportation yeah but again,
you think the right the the government keeps a record
of everything you know they do but it's classified right like we're never gonna
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see it right there's they got they got plenty of things out there that we're
never gonna know the the other thing about good old good old carl is he He had
an established history of a psychiatric illness.
Now, exactly what psychiatric illness, I don't know.
But many believe that he just fabricated this whole event just for attention,
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basically, because of his illness.
Now, when I went and I went on to the U.S. Navy Department Library website,
this is a government website.
They had an article written about the Philadelphia experiment.
And the two ships that were involved, you had the Eldridge, the USS Eldridge,
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that was the experiment.
But then you also had the US Verseth?
Yep. Yes, Andrew Verseth. Yep.
So here's the thing. During the time frame of when this happened,
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neither one of the ships were even in Philadelphia or Norfolk of anything.
The USDS, the Eldridge. Okay.
So they say that it, that the Eldridge appeared.
In October 28th of 1943. So if we believe everything, I'm not going to read
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you the step-by-step of like where they were, but the long story short is according
to this website and this website alone,
and the war diary logs that were transcribed, on October 28th of 1943,
when the experiment allegedly happened, the U.S.
Eldridge was stationed in the New York Harbor from October 18th to November 1st.
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Now, I don't know how far the New York City Harbor Naval Yard is from the Philadelphia
Naval Yard. Like, I don't know.
And the U.S. Andrew Ferseth left norfolk on
october 25th and arrived in oran
on november 12th so if
we believe that this information that i pulled from this government website
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is true neither ship was together when this whole thing happened right so was
was my boy carl just crazy because he got a lot of people's attention.
If that was his goal, he succeeded.
But did it happen? Did it happen? We may never know.
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Was Jessup, did he really commit suicide? Did he really?
Or was he really in fact just getting too close to the truth?
And who were the other two people that wrote in Jessup's book that Carl sent to the Navy?
Earl, who were the other two? There's so many questions and not enough answers in this field.
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There is. Yeah, but that's about all I had for my portion. Do you have anything else to add?
I got a couple things. I guess some of the stuff that I could say is like,
when we delve deeper into the powers of the time,
when we're dealing with World War II, Obviously, before the nuclear bomb,
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the Nazis had the most sophisticated military power in existence at that time.
They had things that were so much more advanced than any country out there could handle.
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So you had to get to a point where you had to do a lot of experiments to figure
out how you could bypass a lot of these sophistications that the nazis had,
and one of the things that i've seen was like the nazis had like for instance
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since throughout the Atlantic ocean, they had a lot of mines set up there and
it was the underwater mines where,
any of our naval ships that went by were able to be seen and targeted by these mines.
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So we had to figure out how we could become invisible to the,
This capability where these minds will be able to detect us warships and destroy them.
The whole concept of invisibility
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came into was not necessarily making a
warship completely invisible but invisible
to the detection of
like certain whether it be my underwater mines radar capabilities and stuff
like that so maybe this alan guy he knew about the experiments But decided to
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completely blow it out of proportion to where, oh,
you know, rather than being completely invisible to the capabilities of underwater mines,
he decided to come up with some crazy stuff where U.S.
Warships could be completely invisible to any detection in the world.
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I mean, that would be that would be helpful.
Yeah. I think Carl just blew everything out of proportion.
It's possible. I mean, if, you know, obviously with the capability the Nazis had,
they were obviously loading the Atlantic Ocean with loads and loads of mines to stop the U.S.
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Warships from coming over. Right.
Now, did you know Carl, he lived a whole life and he died in Colorado?
No.
He didn't. I didn't write it down.
Yeah, his middle name's Meredith. Who names their child Carl Meredith?
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Sus. But Carl was born in 1925.
He lived until 1994, until he was 68.
Hmm. See, if he knew all this stuff, that's one of the things that makes me
question Jessup's death.
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Is... I'm going to lean more into Jessup committing suicide because if Carl,
obviously knew more about certain technologies that should not have been,
exposed in the world, but Carl lives, Carl lives and dies of natural causes
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or whatever, but then Jessup is like killed.
Jessup's just reporting what in a book of what somebody told him meanwhile Carl
is actually the one that's supposedly telling him the actual like technology like I.
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Like, Carl would be the one that would be targeted more than Jessup, in my opinion.
I think that's valid, but I can't even begin to understand how the government works, right?
Right. Now, at first, I'm sure Jessup could have just been a man who wrote a
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book about the UFOs, and this crazy guy named Carl reached out to him,
started talking about the Philadelphia experiment, blah, blah, blah.
Now it is known that carl had some
kind of mental illness right yeah
now if people already knew
that he was kind of crazy and already non like not someone that could be trusted
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or believed like if it really did happen like it's so back then it would be
such an out of the world like Thing happening,
Carl's just going crazy again So would it really be worth their time to go out
And take care of it Probably not It kind of reminds me of A book that I have
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Called Behold the Pale Horse,
Where You have an author That is explaining All kinds of crazy stuff.
The author was killed by the FBI So So, again, Jessup called his buddies,
called people he knew in the weeks leading up to his death, saying that he was
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on to something, that he was getting close to figuring out how it happened.
Now, was he getting too close? Did he kill himself because he was going through a divorce?
He couldn't write any more books? Did he just go crazy like Carl?
Or did the government really step in and were like, hey, you're getting too close?
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Boy, it sucks to be killed for getting too close to something that somebody else told you.
Yeah. But how many times do we have people go, we hear people say something
and we're like, huh, that's interesting.
And then we do our own research about it. You know, but.
Still, we can sit here and talk about theories of whether it happened,
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whether it did happen, whether Carl was really insane, whether Jessup's death was truly a suicide.
Like, we can sit here and talk all night about it. But at the end of the day,
we're never going to know.
Not unless, you know, the government wants to unseal some documents for us.
Which won't happen for a long time.
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Time but it is
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Music.
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Music.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Haunts and Legends Podcast. I'm your host,
Ray, and this is my co-host. I'm Sierra.
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Unfortunately, we had to take a week off last week due to some unforeseen circumstances,
but we're back, and we will be here every single week, Tuesdays at 7 p.m. Absolutely.
Absolutely. How is everybody? How was your week, Ray? Oh yes, hello mom.
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It's alright, just working.
Fair, I feel like that's all we do, is work.
Hi Jess! Hey Icy! Hi!
We missed you guys too, it felt so weird not having a podcast last week.
Yeah, it did. Not being able to talk to all you guys, like, it was weird.
It was, I did not like it, so let's not do that again. But today,
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we are bringing you an episode on the Philadelphia Experiment.
Now, I wonder how many people actually know of this experiment.
Maybe a lot of people in this area would hear about it, but I don't know how widely known it is.
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There has been a couple of movies made, one in the 80s and one in like 2013,
but they are very much science fiction.
And I mean, I watched the one from 2013.
It was okay. It wasn't nothing to write home about. It was more silly than anything.
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Definitely a little bit more silly.
Oh, you both clicked on it. I heard of it, but I'm not fully knowledgeable about it.
I wasn't either until I did research about it. I've known about it for a while.
I've known about it for about a year now.
Now i first heard about it on a about 4 a.m trip to sheets after an investigation,
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and someone trying to raffle off someone else's food it was a horrible experience
at that sheets but we are all sitting down and one of the people that i was
with was telling me the story and i'm
like what that's crazy like i've
known about it for well over 10 years i've seen tv shows about it long time
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ago yeah it's there's there's some stuff out there but there's not there's not too much,
not too much was it a cover-up we are going to find out,
Do you think it really happened? Let me ask you that.
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I don't know. There's so many things in this world that we'll never figure out.
When you're dealing with governments who have so much power and say in the world.
It's really hard to say. I mean, could have, could the government have been
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into some sort of time travel experiment back in the day?
I know like this happened during world war two.
So you bring in like multiple different experiments that every single government
who wants to win this war is doing, you know, you have the U S on their own experiment.
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You know the philadelphia experiment i'm sure there's a multitude of other experiments
that have been going on then you go to the nazis when they were working on so i believe it's called uh,
is it the glocka is it glocka whatever it was where they were like building an actual.
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Like UFO type objects.
I'll show you some documents on that.
But every single government that was trying to win this war was having their
own experience with this.
Right. But did they succeed?
No. The U.S. won the war with a nuclear bomb, so.
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That is true. That is true. Good morning, Damien.
I'm in a cemetery blowing Blowing death was level 30 minutes.
It started at midnight. We'll stop sunrise.
Let us know how that goes.
AC said, I don't know the name, but I know what you're talking about, right? Yes.
So that's one of the things that we'll have to add to our list about that because
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there's a lot of information around the internet about that.
Yeah, absolutely. We can add it to the list, cover it in an episode later on down the road.
The Philadelphia Experiment. Let's get into it. So the Philadelphia Experiment
was an experiment that supposedly took place on October 28th of 1943 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
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which is not far from either of us.
The person who claimed to have seen this event was by the name of Carl M. Allen.
Good old Carl. We are going to hear a lot about Carl throughout this episode.
I do not know if i like carl i do not know if carl is
one that i can trust we'll put
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it that way hi wade did the
philadelphia experiment the manhattan project have anything related i
don't know wade one of the things that i heard that
was related to the philadelphia experiment was actually the
montauk project yeah i
have no idea no idea now good
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old carl says he well first he was a ex-merchant mariner now he was in the marines
but he got discharged from the marines not even a year in service i could not
figure out why he was discharged,
but discharged nonetheless and he spent a lot of time on different sailing vessels
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different ships but as a marine no he was in the marines originally he was discharged from the marines.
Less than a year later so he was kicked out of the marines surprised being kicked
out of the marines he was able to he worked on his board of ship as as a navy personnel i don't know.
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I don't know but we'll also
get into later how he goes by more than one name so maybe that's
how he did it okay but he claimed
it as an experiment where the
u.s navy attended to make a destroyer escort
the uss eldridge disappear now
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i often wish i could disappear and
become invisible so like can we like
teach that technology somewhere because that'd be be great so he he says that
this event happened in 1943 right however he did not say anything and nobody
knew this happened until 1955 until 1955 so.
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12 years later, you're now saying something about it.
Now, was he scared? Like, if he did see this, did he think, like,
oh, crap, like, I don't think I was supposed to see this and kept his mouth
shut because he didn't want to be, like, hunted by the government? Possible.
Damien said, phase shifting using frequency resonation. Okay.
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Wade said, was the Philadelphia experience when the Navy aircraft carrier time traveled?
Yes. It was made into a movie many years later. The film has now been restored.
It's a fascinating story and a movie to blow your socks off.
It was interesting. It was an interesting movie. It was more science fiction.
So the details in the movie are more exaggerated, I think. Yeah.
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So 1955, 12 years later, Carl, good old Carl, decides to tell somebody about this.
He sends a book full of notes and different writings, scribbles, whatever, to the U.S.
Navy Research Organization, as well as a series of letters he sent to a book
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writer on who wrote books about the UFO, about UFOs.
To this day, the Navy claims that no such event took place. No experiment took place.
Nothing like that. that it doesn't line up with facts that we know as far as
like the both ships whereabouts and stuff like that. And they say it also goes
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against the law of physics.
Yeah. Now, is that just a cover up? Probably.
As I said earlier, there's I think it would be a little silly of us all to think
that the government doesn't cover things up.
Wade said, are any crew members still alive and do they testify to the experiments?
I did not find anybody alive. I did not find anybody that like survived that
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wasn't like mentally insane.
The ship still exist i i don't know does it right i didn't see anything about
it being decommissioned.
That's a very good question wade i'll have to get back to you on that but going
back to good old carl good old crazy carl in late 1955 mr quarrel sent an anonymous
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package labeled Happy Easter,
to the U.S. Office of Naval Research.
Now, first thing, if it's in late 1955, why is he saying Happy Easter?
Wouldn't it be like Thanksgiving time, Christmas time? Why is he saying Happy Easter?
I mean, it's something very small, but when I read that, I was like, that's weird.
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But nonetheless, within that package, do you got something?
I do. I have the service history of the USS Eldridge. So the USS Eldridge was built in 1942.
The ship was 1260 feet standard,
length of 306 feet OA by 300 feet WL.
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I'm not a naval person, so I'm not really too sure about what ship measurements are.
But between January 4th of 1944 and May 9th of 1945,
the Eldridge sailed in a vital task of escorting to the Mediterranean Sea men
and materials to support allied operations in North Africa and on into the southern Europe.
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She made nine voyages to deliver convoys safely to Casablanca, Berserk and Oran.
Elders deported new york city on
may 28th of 1945 to service in the
pacific en route to sapin in july she made contact with an underwater object
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and immediately attacked but no results were observed she arrived in okinawa
on august 7th for local escort and patrol and with the end of hostilities a week later,
continued to serve as escort on the Sapin-Ulthi-Okinawa routes until November.
Eldridge was placed out of commission in reserve on June 7th of 1946.
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On January 15th of 1951, she was transferred under the Mutual Defense Assistance
Act into Greece, where she served as Leon.
Leon was discommissioned on November 5th of 1992.
And on November 11th of 1999, it was sold as scrap to Piraeus-based firm V&J
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Scrap Metal Trading Limited.
Well damn so it was scrapped in the 90s yep scrapped in 1999 and it changed
and if i understand correctly it changed its name to leon yes greece changed its name to leon,
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well that's interesting so no it is not does not exist anymore more mom said
can you imagine being able to investigate that ship i would if i had the opportunity
absolutely but obviously it's scrap metal now do we know the steel competition.
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Metal but all i got i'm not too sure i could probably dig into it i know a couple
people who actually worked for the ship was built so oh so you got contacts
is what you're saying yeah it was uh built in the philadelphia naval shipyard,
well we're gonna go back to carl now good old carl so like i said he sent this
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anonymous package he didn't write to put a return address nothing to the u.s
office of navy research he,
labeled it happy easter again in late 1955 did he just expect it to take a long
time to get there I don't know.
But within that package was a copy of a book called The Case for the UFO,
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Unidentified Flying Object, that was written by good old Morris Jessup.
We're going to learn more about Morris as time goes on as well.
When they received the book, they opened the book up, right?
Within that book was a bunch of scribbles, a bunch of people just writing in the margins,
Crossing things out Writing different things Like people had completely like
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edited And added notes within this book However there was three different types
of blue ink One was like a blue green One was a regular blue And one was like a darker blue.
When they seen this, they believed that there were three different people corresponding
within this book, whether they were passing it around.
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They almost were like arguing with each other. They would agree on some things.
They would like go back and forth like banter. Like you could tell that there
was conversations and conversations happening within those pages.
One person, we don't know who it was.
They referred to them as Jemmy. The other person, Mr. B, is completely unknown.
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And Mr. A, we will later find out, was Mr. Carl himself.
The note-takers within this book were commenting on Jessup's ideas about flying
saucers, alien races, talking about how Jessup was too close to discovering their technology.
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Technology so was there really aliens writing in these books do aliens walk among us,
let's go to these comments again is there any stories about any metal used in
the other in other ships having paranormal activity afterwards that is a good
thought it would be interesting to know like what all that scrap metal went to yeah.
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Things that i got i was paying attention like that really got me was like there was reports of,
people like walking through walls and stuff but these people were supposedly seeing like actual,
human beings walking through the walls and it made me wonder like you know as
a paranormal investigator were they seeing spirits actually walking through the walls rather than.
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Actual people melting into
the steel of of a ship because the
reports are like some of the crew member that
were supposedly walking on this ship were just like walking into the walls and
then disappearing and melting into the steel out of nowhere but you then you
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watch a lot of like paranormal shows where people are investigating old warships from decades
ago and seeing apparitions of Navy personnel, stuff like that.
So that's what really made me think about, I think these people were seeing
like the spirits of crew members rather than actual human beings.
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That could be. Now, what about the claim about the people? Like,
had that gone like completely insane?
Would that be close to now? If these, for whatever reason, if these fear,
If these people died a violent death upon that ship, you know,
you could hear screaming.
But we've been to locations where we've heard people screaming.
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Yeah. But without any actual, I guess, proof of what that ship was used for,
we'll just, I mean, something we'll never know about what they went through
with certain points of the war.
Right. I mean, we got to think back back in 1943, like this was during World War Two.
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A lot of craziness going on.
Craziness could it have been
ghosts maybe if it
if if this even happened you know see
because i don't know if i'm convinced that it did happen but there
are things that i'll get into a little bit later
that's like hmm but what if it did i think
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it's very possible that you run into the the
whole energy spirits rather
than legitimate humans you
know melting into steel and stuff like that i mean
if you think if let's just
let's just play with the thought right if something's traveling
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through time right it has to dematerialize in
one place and rematerialize in another place right
right so and we'll even
say this if you look at like tv shows right there's sometimes
when people time travel they will go
into their destination and they will be kind of morphed together because again
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time travel you're dematerializing and if you're coming to the other side to
your destination in between that what's keeping all of your energy and your parts,
just to yourself and not to anybody else?
You know, what's keeping you from morphing in with something else?
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If that's what we believe, that this ship teleported, right?
It dematerialized with all of these people on it.
And it rematerialized at its location. And it's at its destination.
What was keeping those sailors and the shipmates from materializing within the ship?
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Now, if I did believe that this happened, which, again, I don't know.
But that's the way i would look at it when they say oh people were morphed into the ship.
Like from my understanding on how i believe
time travel to work then i would think that that's how it would be you dematerialize
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in one place you rematerialize but there's nothing stopping you from materializing
with the thing that you're going with just yeah but then it brings you Back to the whole,
why were these people melted, per se, into the ship?
It could have been that the whole, maybe this whole experiment was so new that
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they didn't have it fully figured out to where issues occurred.
Yeah, I mean, with any experiment, there's trial and error, right?
Yeah. maybe the the
error was the philadelphia experiment they're like oh crap can't do that like
that's especially with people that can see it all right let me before i start
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reading again let me catch up on remnants will still exist in some form out
from the metal and the ship absolutely.
Maybe they reanimated the dead and they formed where they were attached to. Maybe.
But going back to these good old mystery writers, the three of them referred
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to themselves as gypsies.
And they also discussed two different types of people living in outer space.
Now, don't even get me started on space. Again, I think it's very silly to believe
that we are the only intelligent life force out there in all of space.
There's probably more advanced absolutely out
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there somewhere so i believe there's probably people living
up there in january of
1956 good old carl started sending letters
to the author jessup sometimes he
used his real name which was carl m allen his middle
name's meredith by the way who names that
gives their son a middle name of meredith i don't know but whatever but he either
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used carl m allen or he used carl or carlos miguel alende so he had an alias his first letter.
To mr jessup was basically to warn him to stop investigating ufos he was like
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hey bro like don't do it anymore probably not a good idea so jessup was just
like i like i'm sure he was like Like, well, this guy is weird.
Like, I don't even know who this is, but he's weird.
But Alan kept sending him letters.
So, going back to Carl, he's the one who claimed to witness the Philadelphia experiment.
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Well, he was aboard the SS Andrew Ferseth.
Ferseth, I think that's how you pronounce it. What he claims was that there
was a destroyer escort that had turned invisible,
teleported 300 plus miles away to North Virginia for several minutes,
and then came back to Philadelphia.
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Philadelphia and what he said was that when this when this ship teleported and
like disappeared the water where
the ship was previously at was still displaced as if like you know if you,
brain fart it was like the ship was still sitting in the water it was just invisible,
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like there was still the bow in the water from where the ship was for several
minutes apparently He also claims of a blue-green glow surrounding the hull
of the ship as the generator spun and then the Eldritch disappeared.
So I don't know what could emit a blue-green glow, but okay.
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He claimed that the crew that was aboard the Eldritch suffered from various
different side effects.
Some insanity, others were frozen in place, like morphed in with the ship.
Or even just frozen there.
Others had, when the ship came back, apparently reappeared with their bodies inside out.
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Which is kind of gross to imagine. And they said that people,
like, vanished completely. So you have people that disappeared.
People that went crazy. People that were frozen.
People that were morphed into the ship. Like, that's a whole lot of stuff.
That's a whole lot of side effects. A whole lot.
Now, so this, January 1956, Allen started sending letters to Jessup, right?
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In 1955, Allen reached out, sent the anonymous package.
So in 1957, good old Jessup was invited to the Office of Naval Research and
was like, hey, I need you to look at this book. Like, this is your book.
Like, what's all this stuff in it? so he was looking at all the handwriting
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and everything that was written in this book and he was like hey like i recognize
that like that's carl so he the navy the research center,
they had no idea where this thing came from like
it wasn't in today's age where you have to
have a return address like you can't go and send something to the military without
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a return address yeah you know so jesse came in and he's like no he's like that's
carl like i know for a effect like he's been writing me he showed them all of
the letters and stuff that Carl has been sending him.
So 1969, which is about, what, 14 years later,
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Alan would say that he made everything up, that he wrote the letters to Jess
up to scare the shit out of him, whatever.
But then he soon was like, no, no, no. Like, I was just kidding.
Like, it actually did happen.
So he's very, like, up and down. And he did this several times where he would
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be like, oh, yeah, like, this absolutely happened. And he'd be like,
no, like it didn't. I was just, I was, I was just messing with you guys.
But then he'd be back and be like, no, like it really did. Like, believe me.
So he was very back and forth with it, which kind of made him a little untrustworthy
because you couldn't, you couldn't go and claim, you know, you know,
something and then retract it. Right. Right.
Well, see, here's where it gets interesting.
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My boy, Jessup. Right. He was just trying to make some money,
write some books, live in his best life. Right.
And after this whole thing happens and Carl also wrote to a newspaper about
this, the Philadelphia experiment, and apparently they went and published a story about it.
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But nobody knows what newspaper article it was.
Nothing has turned up. Researchers have tried to find that newspaper article with no luck.
But anyways, my boy Jessup trying to write some books, trying to make some money,
living his best life. All this stuff happens.
His publisher decides to leave him. They're like, hey, you're on your own, bro.
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He tried to publish more books. People People weren't buying them.
Again, he lost his publisher.
So on April 20th of 1959...
Committed suicide. So some people say.
In the days leading up to his death, he had reached out to a few of his friends,
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basically saying, hey, like I'm onto something big.
He was saying about how he was afraid he was getting too close to something.
Like he wasn't afraid that he was going to die or that he was being hunted or
anything, but he was like, I'm getting really close and I don't know if I should
know the things that I know.
So he was getting to a point where some believe that he was learning how the
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Philadelphia Experiment happened, what happened exactly.
Now, again, April 20th, 1959, they found Jessup's car alongside a road with Jessup dead inside.
There had been a hose that ran from his exhaust into one of the back windows.
Now, one of the back windows was only cracked just a little bit.
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The hose was set inside, and there were rags very strategically placed in the
window to remove things from being able to come out, the fumes to be able to come out.
And when he started his car, his car filled with the exhaust fumes, and he died.
Now his death was never investigated at all nobody looked into it there was
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never an autopsy done and this was in 1959 but no investigation no autopsy nothing
they just ruled it as suicide,
now knowing that they that he had reached out to people within his circle being
like hey like i'm onto something.
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I'm onto something big. And then within a couple of weeks, he's found dead.
Yes now he was going through a divorce at that time so maybe he was just a real real big sad boy,
possibly but i i don't think i am to believe that it was an accident or that
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it was a suicide if he truly was getting close to doing for something then absolutely absolutely,
Yeah.
I mean, obviously an autopsy is going to determine that he died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
But if he's getting close to something, there's really no, you know,
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did somebody do it and pull it off as he committed suicide?
I don't know. I don't know. Now,
I'm going to get to some of these comments real quick wade said
when your body is shifting to another dimension i'm
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assuming two things keep you in the aligned frequencies useful
vibration in the original third detention energy frequency energy cannot be
distorted and must continue to vibrate in existence okay so i'm assuming that
is what's going to keep you all of you together right right Right.
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We don't go and hear from damien he probably got like dragged into the woods by a skinwalker,
can you at least get a video on it please thank you wait said interesting how
most of the information is hidden from the general public most people don't
know about this subject matter,
is the last thing is like a lot of people don't know but i also think that a
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lot of people don't ask the right questions i mean even if you did ask the right
questions there are certain,
government agencies going to tell you anyway.
Yeah, they're going to be like, and who are you? Like, goodbye.
Also, another thing about good old Carl, Carl claimed to have spent an extensive
amount of time with Albert Einstein.
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Really? Yep. But when they questioned Einstein, Einstein was like,
nah, bro. Like, I don't know who the hell this is.
Einstein was also potentially part of Project Paperclip. I don't know if I know what that is.
So, Paperclip was part of the whole,
Bringing over Of like Nazi scientists And stuff like that Where the US brought over,
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Scientists Like the guy that was Head of NASA What the hell is his name Von
Braun And he started NASA over here So they brought a bunch of Nazis over To create a bunch of.
Organizations within the u.s government to help
defeat the nazis but also create like
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nasa and stuff like that interesting i don't know but carl claimed to hang out
with with einstein and einstein was basically like i don't know who you are
bro like i've never seen him in my life well i also heard nikola tesla was also
involved with this philadelphia experiment
oh really yes tell us more about that because i did not find that there was
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a video on youtube that i came across where tesla and his experiments potentially had.
Helping into this experiment i mean if you look at the tesla's tesla's work
it was he pretty much had his Tesla's coils which would provide free energy to the people.
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If you actually look into Tesla, there is a certain person that actually confiscated his work.
Do you know who that person is? Who?
Donald Trump's uncle. Really? Yep.
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You want to know something like completely random sure it's about einstein like
i don't know why but for the longest time i thought that einstein was like alive
like way longer than i realized,
like he was his time frame was very longer but it was in the 1950s he was alive
and i was like that really wasn't that long ago yep so i'm like damien damien
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said ex-wife often for settlement and played up his depression.
Probably. Or, you know, it was the government.
Einstein was the first to launch a man-made item into orbit.
That's interesting. Hello, Carmen.
Teslas are weird cars. Have you seen a Tesla truck? They're weird.
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I saw one that got an ice maker in the back of it. So, Carmen,
you have to differentiate.
You have to split up the whole Tesla. to
nikola tesla because nikola tesla
was an actual scientist while the tesla vehicles is the creation of elon musk
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so they're not related at all no they're not related interesting so um.
Good old good old carl never trust
a man named carl i've never met a man named carl that i can trust just want
to put that out there so after jessup died right whether it was by accident
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whether it was a cover story for settlement money damien whether it's the government whatever it was.
Carl went dark nobody could find
him no one could get a hold of him nothing they
were trying to get more information of what he knew about the
philadelphia experiment everybody that tried
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to find him they came up empty-handed there was
a reporter was this the government was trying to find out what he knew reporters
just reported okay at this point it had gone into the alleged newspaper people
were trying to find him i'm sure i'm sure that since jessup came and told,
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the naval research office that like hey like this is the guy that you're looking
for like he's the one who wrote that like the same thing he wrote me i'm sure
they were looking for him too they couldn't find him now there was a reporter
from his hometown of new kensington pennsylvania,
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that got in touch with alan's family and they showed him of various different
documents and books that belonged to alan and all of them were scribbled in
like the book that he sent to the naval office.
Allen's family described him as a person with a fantastic mind,
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but he was also a drifter and master leg puller.
That was interesting now in
case anybody doesn't know what a leg puller is it's like you know
people joking around jokester straight
up jokes there we'll sing anything for a laugh
kind of thing but the experiment
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was allegedly based on an aspect the unified
field theory that was coined by
albert einstein it basically described a class
of potential theories theories that would
aim to describe mathematically and physically the interrelated
nature of the forces of electromagnetism and
gravity and basically using them together instead of keeping them separate using
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it together to possibly travel through time now it was it was never a successful
theory it's actually considered one of his,
I don't want to call it a failed theory,
but nonetheless.
During 1943 and 1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance.
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He undertook theoretical research on explosives and explosions,
and there was no indication that Einstein was involved in any research relevant
to invisibility and or teleportation yeah but again,
you think the right the the government keeps a record
of everything you know they do but it's classified right like we're never gonna
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see it right there's they got they got plenty of things out there that we're
never gonna know the the other thing about good old good old carl is he He had
an established history of a psychiatric illness.
Now, exactly what psychiatric illness, I don't know.
But many believe that he just fabricated this whole event just for attention,
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basically, because of his illness.
Now, when I went and I went on to the U.S. Navy Department Library website,
this is a government website.
They had an article written about the Philadelphia experiment.
And the two ships that were involved, you had the Eldridge, the USS Eldridge,
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that was the experiment.
But then you also had the US Verseth?
Yep. Yes, Andrew Verseth. Yep.
So here's the thing. During the time frame of when this happened,
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neither one of the ships were even in Philadelphia or Norfolk of anything.
The USDS, the Eldridge. Okay.
So they say that it, that the Eldridge appeared.
In October 28th of 1943. So if we believe everything, I'm not going to read
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you the step-by-step of like where they were, but the long story short is according
to this website and this website alone,
and the war diary logs that were transcribed, on October 28th of 1943,
when the experiment allegedly happened, the U.S.
Eldridge was stationed in the New York Harbor from October 18th to November 1st.
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Now, I don't know how far the New York City Harbor Naval Yard is from the Philadelphia
Naval Yard. Like, I don't know.
And the U.S. Andrew Ferseth left norfolk on
october 25th and arrived in oran
on november 12th so if
we believe that this information that i pulled from this government website
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is true neither ship was together when this whole thing happened right so was
was my boy carl just crazy because he got a lot of people's attention.
If that was his goal, he succeeded.
But did it happen? Did it happen? We may never know.
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Was Jessup, did he really commit suicide? Did he really?
Or was he really in fact just getting too close to the truth?
And who were the other two people that wrote in Jessup's book that Carl sent to the Navy?
Earl, who were the other two? There's so many questions and not enough answers in this field.
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There is. Yeah, but that's about all I had for my portion. Do you have anything else to add?
I got a couple things. I guess some of the stuff that I could say is like,
when we delve deeper into the powers of the time,
when we're dealing with World War II, Obviously, before the nuclear bomb,
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the Nazis had the most sophisticated military power in existence at that time.
They had things that were so much more advanced than any country out there could handle.
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So you had to get to a point where you had to do a lot of experiments to figure
out how you could bypass a lot of these sophistications that the nazis had,
and one of the things that i've seen was like the nazis had like for instance
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since throughout the Atlantic ocean, they had a lot of mines set up there and
it was the underwater mines where,
any of our naval ships that went by were able to be seen and targeted by these mines.
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So we had to figure out how we could become invisible to the,
This capability where these minds will be able to detect us warships and destroy them.
The whole concept of invisibility
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came into was not necessarily making a
warship completely invisible but invisible
to the detection of
like certain whether it be my underwater mines radar capabilities and stuff
like that so maybe this alan guy he knew about the experiments But decided to
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completely blow it out of proportion to where, oh,
you know, rather than being completely invisible to the capabilities of underwater mines,
he decided to come up with some crazy stuff where U.S.
Warships could be completely invisible to any detection in the world.
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I mean, that would be that would be helpful.
Yeah. I think Carl just blew everything out of proportion.
It's possible. I mean, if, you know, obviously with the capability the Nazis had,
they were obviously loading the Atlantic Ocean with loads and loads of mines to stop the U.S.
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Warships from coming over. Right.
Now, did you know Carl, he lived a whole life and he died in Colorado?
No.
He didn't. I didn't write it down.
Yeah, his middle name's Meredith. Who names their child Carl Meredith?
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Sus. But Carl was born in 1925.
He lived until 1994, until he was 68.
Hmm. See, if he knew all this stuff, that's one of the things that makes me
question Jessup's death.
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Is... I'm going to lean more into Jessup committing suicide because if Carl,
obviously knew more about certain technologies that should not have been,
exposed in the world, but Carl lives, Carl lives and dies of natural causes
(46:19):
or whatever, but then Jessup is like killed.
Jessup's just reporting what in a book of what somebody told him meanwhile Carl
is actually the one that's supposedly telling him the actual like technology like I.
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Like, Carl would be the one that would be targeted more than Jessup, in my opinion.
I think that's valid, but I can't even begin to understand how the government works, right?
Right. Now, at first, I'm sure Jessup could have just been a man who wrote a
(47:03):
book about the UFOs, and this crazy guy named Carl reached out to him,
started talking about the Philadelphia experiment, blah, blah, blah.
Now it is known that carl had some
kind of mental illness right yeah
now if people already knew
that he was kind of crazy and already non like not someone that could be trusted
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or believed like if it really did happen like it's so back then it would be
such an out of the world like Thing happening,
Carl's just going crazy again So would it really be worth their time to go out
And take care of it Probably not It kind of reminds me of A book that I have
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Called Behold the Pale Horse,
Where You have an author That is explaining All kinds of crazy stuff.
The author was killed by the FBI So So, again, Jessup called his buddies,
called people he knew in the weeks leading up to his death, saying that he was
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on to something, that he was getting close to figuring out how it happened.
Now, was he getting too close? Did he kill himself because he was going through a divorce?
He couldn't write any more books? Did he just go crazy like Carl?
Or did the government really step in and were like, hey, you're getting too close?
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Boy, it sucks to be killed for getting too close to something that somebody else told you.
Yeah. But how many times do we have people go, we hear people say something
and we're like, huh, that's interesting.
And then we do our own research about it. You know, but.
Still, we can sit here and talk about theories of whether it happened,
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whether it did happen, whether Carl was really insane, whether Jessup's death was truly a suicide.
Like, we can sit here and talk all night about it. But at the end of the day,
we're never going to know.
Not unless, you know, the government wants to unseal some documents for us.
Which won't happen for a long time.
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Time but it is
now eight o'clock look at that so do
you have anything else all right friends
thank you so much for joining haunted legends on this wonderful tuesday night
we will be back again for our rescheduled velisca house or velixa velisca axe
(49:45):
murder house next tuesday so be here,
Damien has passed your bedtime.
So check us out next week 7 o'clock on Tuesday right where you found us today,
And now Our good friend Buddy is starting up His podcast on the Get Haunted
Network So please hop on over To that give him some Love and support and we'll catch you guys next week,
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We'll see you next week Alright bye guys See ya.
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