The Haunting Secrets of Villisca: Unraveling the Axe Murders

Welcome to "Haunts and Legends," hosted by Ray and Sierra, with special guest Megan Hansen. Tonight's episode delves into the chilling and tragic history of the Villisca Axe Murder House. Be advised, this episode contains graphic details that may not be suitable for all listeners.

We'll explore the eerie events of June 10th, 1912, in Villisca, Iowa, where a family of six and two young guests were brutally murdered in their sleep. Discover why this case has left a lasting mark on true crime enthusiasts and paranormal investigators alike. From potential suspects to bizarre crime scene details, we discuss theories surrounding this unsolved mystery.

Join us as we uncover the dark secrets behind one of America's most haunted locations and hear firsthand accounts of paranormal experiences. If you have a fascination with true crime or the supernatural, you won't want to miss this in-depth analysis of the Villisca Axe Murders.

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Music.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome to Haunts and Legends. I am your host,
Ray, and this is my co-host, Sierra.

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And we have a special guest for everybody tonight. We have...
It's me. Hello, I am Megan Hansen.
How are you guys doing tonight?
We are wonderful. Wonderful. I'm doing good. Doing great.
Oh, look, we already got Damien. hello good

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morning damien good morning oh hi i see mom says megan and then amber goes hey
guys i'm here hi carmen hey carmen hello everybody we have a very special episode
now we are going

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to be talking about the veliska x murder house
now it is very different than our normal content and because of that i am giving
you a trigger warning this is your one and only trigger warning.
We will not say this again.

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If you are not keen onto hearing,
the death of children or any of that, if you are queasy on gruesome details involving,
this story, this is the time to politely leave.

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I will not think of you any less publicly.
But again, we're talking about the Liska house and its story because every location,
every haunted location, because this place is haunted.
It's on our bucket list, especially my bucket list, but it all starts from somewhere.

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So tonight we are going to be diving into why is Villisca haunted?
What happened? We'll see. What happens?
So, oh, Jess popped in too. Hey, Jess.
Miss you. Damien said, ooh, sounds good already. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So I think like being a fan of true crime and then also just being a paranormal

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investigator, this place has always piqued my interest.
The story of Villisca is very sad.
But when you hear about the paranormal claims that are going in in this house,
it's one of my top locations that I want to go to.
It's also been on all the TV shows. Are there people in the comments that are
familiar with the Villisca axe murder? Yeah.

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Just curious. Jess said, when are we going? Girl, book it and I will be there.
Oh, Joe B. Hey, Joe. Two of my favorite ladies. Hey, Joe.
We'll bring Joe with us. Joe would like to go probably. Yeah,
Joe, you want to go to Belisca?
We'll make Dominic drive. Yeah, there you go. Road trip. I'll probably just

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take a plane. I'll do a road trip.
Yeah. But yeah, the story is very interesting. It is an unsolved case.
There are many theories as to who the killer might have been.
We're going to go into some of those theories, and then I'm going to go into
left field and tell you guys a whole other theory that I have.
So, shall we begin? Yeah. Zach said, hey, he's heard of it, but he doesn't know the story.

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You are in for a doozy. Stick around. It is a doozy. And again,
I just want to reiterate what Sierra said.
If we were to say trigger warning before everything, it would just be trigger
warning the whole time. It is a massive trigger warning.
So again, if you don't like hearing about the death of children or the murder
of children, gruesome details, you can just go.
It's okay. Come back next week. Again, I won't judge you publicly. No, no, no.

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Okay, so the home is in Villisca, Iowa, and the address is 508 East 2nd Street,
and it still stands today.
They do allow investigations, which we were just talking about,
and you can go in there and you can rent out the property for the night and
do your own investigation in this home.
But like you said, why is it haunted? What happened there? Tell us, Megan.

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Indubitably. Indubitably. That's an inside joke. I'd be happy to.
So first, we're going to talk about the town of Villisca. The murder occurred on June 10th, 1912.
And the town of Villisca, it's in Iowa. And in 1912, there were only 2,000 people in this town.
It was a very rural town, farming town, not a lot of crime.

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In fact, it was also a dry town. And the people of Villisca were okay with this.
So you didn't have many crimes happening.
It was a safe community. Everyone knew each other and everyone looked out for
each other as we're going to learn throughout this story.
Now, the name Villisca comes from a Native American word. It's Willisca.

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However, they thought that Villisca sounded better, so they dropped the W and added the V.
Now, they believed that Willisca meant a beautiful place or a pleasant place,
but it actually turns out that the word Willisca means evil spirit.
Now, I don't know where that got contrived along the way, but it is called Villisca,

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and the word Villisca that originates from does mean evil spirit in Native American.
So, the night that the murders took place, again, it was June 10th,
1912, and this night was described as cloudy, damp, and dark.
Now, at the time that the murders occurred, the whole entire town was pitch

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dark. There was no lights.
And the reason being is because at the time, the city council was in a dispute
with the electric company in town.
They said that they wanted new utility poles, that they needed new lighting.
And the company was like, I'm not going to do that for you.
So, you know, they're fighting and they're fighting. And it all came to a head

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the night of the murders.
So if anyone here has ever been in a rural area and you've been driving at nighttime,
you know just how dark it gets out there.
And that's what this night looked like. Like, it was basically pitch dark.
So they just decided to, like, shut off their electric?
Yes. The whole town had no electric. No electric.
Now, I will say, too, there were theories after the murder that the city council

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might have been behind it.
Because they would have shown, like, this is what happens when you have no electricity.
A whole family gets axed to death.
I don't think that happened. But some people did theorize, could they have been
behind this? Because look what happens when you turn the lights off.
Something terrible happens. Things go bump in the night. Things surely go a bump in the night.

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So the family, we're going to talk about family for a second.
It was Josiah and Sarah Moore.
Josiah was 43 years old and Sarah was 39 years old.
They were married in 1899. And shortly after their marriage,
they moved into this home. And that's the home that we all are talking about. out.
They had four children. They had Herman, who was 11, Catherine,

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who was nine, Boyd, who was seven, and Paul, who was only five years old.
And they had two friends. It was Lena and Ina Stillinger. They were sisters.
Lena was 11 years old, and Ina was only eight years old. And we're going to
get into the Stillinger sisters a little bit from now.
Now, the night that the murders took place, there was a program going on at

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their Presbyterian church, and it was called the the Children's Day program.
Sarah was actually the co-director of this program, so it was a really big deal
for the family and a really big deal for the neighborhood in general.
The Presbyterian Church at the time was very popular, and many of the residents
attended that church and that service.

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So the service ran from 8 o'clock to 9 30 that night, and afterwards they were
only going to walk three blocks from the church back to home.
Now Catherine is friends with Lena and Ina Stillinger, and she knows that these
two girls are going to have to walk home in the dark.
Now, not only are they going to have to walk home, but they're actually walking

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home to their grandmother's house because they planned to sleep over their grandmother's
house that night, and she lived further away from the church.
So they said, hey, why don't you just sleep over at our house tonight instead?
Again, very wholesome. We've all been young and wanted to have sleepovers with our friends.
So Lena Stillinger, she called her home to ask her parents for permission.
At the time, her parents were not home.

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They did talk to their older sister, Blanche, who okayed them to sleep over.
And it's such a bummer, like such an unfortunate series of events where these
girls weren't even supposed to be there that night.
And I can only imagine the guilt that this sister had to carry with her for
the rest of her life, okaying the girls to be at the Moore family home that night.

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So it is said that after the children's program that they arrived back home
around 10 o'clock at night.
And we know this because the next door neighbor saw them return home around
this time. So we know that they got home at 10 o'clock at night.
Now, after the autopsies, they were able to see like the last meal that they all ate.
And the last meal or the last food that they had in their stomachs were milk and cookies.

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So like how, let's just talk about how wholesome this is.
Nice family. They're going to a children's program. The children's program, they did it annually.
It's going to kick off the summer the children they sing songs they talk about
things bible verses things that they've learned they walk home they're going
to have a sleepover they're excited they're uh eating cookies drinking milk

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and then terrible things happen after that,
so i mean i guess there could be worse foods like your last food could be like
spinach niche. Can you imagine? Like, that would suck.
Oatmeal. Right. Like, I guess milk and cookies isn't that bad. No, it's just, it's sad.

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It's so cute though. Like that's what, they had milk and cookies and then went to bed.
You know, it's just so wholesome. It is. It's wholesome. And the story is just,
it's very tragic story. It's very sad.
Okay. So we're going to talk about the following day. Now their neighbor who
saw them at 10 o'clock at night, they arrived home. Her name is Mary Peckham.
And I feel like she is the neighbor that we all want in life.
This woman is just great. And I'm going to talk highly about her the whole entire podcast.

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So she wakes up around 5am and she looks out the window and she thinks it's
a little weird that she doesn't see anybody outside.
Usually by this point, the Moore family would be up and doing things with the farm.
They would wake up early. So by this point, Sarah would be outside.
She'd be hanging the laundry. The kids would be outside doing their chores.
They'd be milking the cows, feeding the chickens.

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So she thought it was a little odd, but kind of went about her business that morning.
So she's outside, she's tending to her own farm and it's now six o'clock and
more families still not up. They're still not doing anything.
And she also described it that when she would look at the house,
there was an eerie stillness about the house is what she said.

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So it's now seven o'clock in the morning. They're They're still not up.
And she's thinking, okay, this is really weird and out of character.
So she goes over to the house. She knocks on the door. No one answers.
And she's like, okay, that's a little weird. She goes up to the windows.
There's curtains closed on all the windows, so she can't look in.
She's like, hmm, that's weird. They never do that. She tries to open the door,

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the front door. Door's locked.
She's like, they never lock these doors. What's going on here?
Walk around back. Door's locked.
So she's like, okay, something strange. I'm going to raise alarm now.
So she calls Ross Moore. Ross Moore is Josiah's brother.
And she calls him and she says, hey, something weird is going on at the house.
They're not up yet. It's seven o'clock. I tried getting into the house.

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The doors are locked. Can you come over and check it out?
So, I mean, just imagine being this woman. You're looking at this house.
You know that it is not right, that there should be children up and that people
should be tending to the chores.
Nothing's happening. And you're just getting this vibe like something is not right in this house.
So being the great neighbor that she is, she goes over and starts tending to

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their farm. She starts feeding their chickens.
She lets the horses out. Like, like great neighbor.
So Ross Moore, before he goes to the house, he calls a guy named Ed Seeley.
He is the coworker of Josiah and says like, hey, did Josiah show up to work today?
And he says, no, I was actually going to call because it's strange that he hasn't
shown up yet. He should have been here a couple hours ago.

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So Ross goes to the home and at the same time, Ed Seeley leaves and also goes
to the home. So again, it's just showing you that this is a great community.
Everyone's just really out of character with the family.
So Ed Seeley gets there first. He tries the door. Door doesn't open.
Tries opening up windows. Windows aren't opened. So he also goes out and he

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helps Mary tend to the farm. Again, just great people.
Ed, however, he does have sale calls to make. So he decides,
okay, I'm going to leave and I'm going to go back to the office. And he leaves.
So Ross gets to the house now. Same thing. Tries opening up the doors. Windows can't get in.
Now, there's two sources on this. The one source that I read said that he had

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a spare key to the home, and another source said that.
He had like random keys and he tried to fit a key into the keyhole to see if it would open.
I kind of believe that story because if he had a spare key, he would have immediately
just used that to go in instead of like walking around trying to get in. Right.
So he goes into the home and he says that the home is pitch black,

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unusually dark than what it should be.
And again, that's because all of the curtains are drawn.
It's incredibly dark in here. So he goes into into the house.
And if you go into this house, you're first going to walk into a kitchen.
There's then a parlor and then there's a spare bedroom.
So he goes into the first spare bedroom and again, it's dark in there,

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but he's able to make out two bodies in a bed.
And he tries to kind of like shake them and they're not moving.
He opens the curtain to the room a little bit and some light comes into the
room and he discovers this ghastly scene.
He discovers the bodies of Lena and Anna Selinger dead in their beds.

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He also sees that there was blood everywhere. There are bed covers,
that there are clothing that are covering the girls.
It's a chaotic scene. And he runs out of the house.
He runs out of the house and he says that he puts his head in his hand.
And he basically says like, it is a dreadful scene in there.

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So he then calls the city marshal, and his name is Hank Horton,
to come to the scene at this point.
So Hank Horton, he's the city marshal, and he's the first one to show up at the scene.
Now you got to remember, this is, again, a very small town.
It's a dry town. So he's not dealing with drunks.
He's not dealing with fights. Like he's basically a peace officer,

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just settling little disputes here and there.
You don't really have crime going
on. So he's not prepared for this scene that he's about to walk into.
So he goes in and he opens up some of the curtains to get some light in there.
And he walks around and he again, uncovers this horrific scene.
He finds Ina and Lena. They are dead in the bed on the first floor.

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He then goes up the steps. These These steps are very, very narrow.
You go up to the second floor and the first bedroom you're going to hit is Sarah and Joe's bedroom.
And he finds them murdered in their beds.
You then just cross the room. And connected to this room is the children's room.
He finds two children in one bed and two others in another bed.

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And they all have been murdered with an axe.
So, yeah, I mean, I couldn't imagine again, you're not used to any of this stuff
and you walk into this like horrific murder.
I just got a call saying that, hey, my family's not awake yet.
Like, I'm going to go over and wake them up real quick and walking into that.
Yeah. Talk about the therapy prices.

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Right. Absolutely. So he actually runs outside and he says, Ross,
there is somebody murdered in every bed is what he says.
So we're going to talk about the crime scene for a second here hey mike how are you mike.
So now we're going to talk about the crime scene a little bit so again you have

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eight people who have been murdered in this home and they have been bludgeoned
to death by an axe and the way that they were murdered was almost in a frenzied
state it appears that all of them are hit over
the head several upon several times with the blunt end of the axe.
After he's done, he then whacks them with the sharp side of the axe.

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And Damien asks, do we know order of deaths?
So when it comes to the order of the deaths, we have a picture.
We're not going to know 100% for sure, but due to the way that they were found,
and I'm going to go into this, Yes.
I personally feel that he went into the house and he killed the parents first.
So you're going to get rid of any threat. You're going to get rid of the parents.

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So the mother and the father are killed first. You then go into the second room
where the other children are sleeping and he then kills them.
He then goes back downstairs to the first floor.
That's where he finds Ina and Lena and then he kills them in that room.
So that's the way in which they feel that they were murdered.

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So the time of death is estimated somewhere shortly after midnight.
Again, this is 1912 we're talking
about, so they don't have the type of forensics that we have today.
So they're going to estimate that it was about right after midnight.
And again, remember, they came home at 10 o'clock.
So they probably went to bed at 11 o'clock and then shortly after they went
to bed, they were murdered.

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Again, just to reiterate, all of the curtains of the windows were shut.
There were two windows that didn't have curtains. So instead,
they were covered with jackets and clothing.
All of the mirrors in the home were covered with blankets and with clothing.
And all of the bodies were covered with blankets and clothing.
It is and i guess

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we should at some point talk about that too because that's
there's a lot of theories out there as to why that would
have been done we can get into that later yeah yeah so this
part's interesting and we're gonna we're gonna come back to this so keep this
in the back of your head here there were two kerosene lamps that were found
at the scene the one lamp was found in joe and sarah's bedroom and the second

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lamp was found in aina and lena's bedroom So when it comes to these lamps,
the chimney was taken off both lamps.
One was found under the dresser in Sarah and Joe's bedroom.
The wick had been turned back and then kind of like pushed down.
And it was to make the light very dim.

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That's the reason for doing that. And both of those were found in the home.
Just enough light to see. Exactly. Again, it's picturesque outside.
So you only have a very dim light that you're using.
The murder weapon, that is the axe, is found in the room where the Sillinger girls were sleeping.
Now, on the axe, they still found skin, blood, hair, but it appears that someone

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tried to wipe off the axe and tried to clean it, but that was unsuccessful.
Now, if you go to this house ever and you look at the ceiling,
there are still gouge marks from when the killer was,
murdering the victims. It was like an upswing. So when you're upswinging,
the axe would get stuck in the ceiling and then come down.

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The way that blood spatter was on the walls, they believe that he may have been left-handed.
They also believe that he may have been short. This is because this is an old 1900s farmhouse.
So the ceilings are not that high.
And so for the axe to hit the ceiling in such a way, the person couldn't have
been very tall because if they were tall, it would have like swung back.

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It wouldn't have hit the ceiling like that.
So keep that in mind too. They believe that the killer was left-handed and that
he would have been somewhat of a short stature.
Very interesting. It was.
Moving forward, there was a pan of bloody water that was discovered covered
on the kitchen table and a plate of uneaten food at a table as well.

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So he, after everything, he washed his hands.
All of the doors were locked as well. He locked all of the doors before he left.
So this killer, we're just going to talk about this. Like the killer comes to this home.
He uses their ax. The ax is actually Josiah's. It was that he stored it in one

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of the sheds on the property, and he uses their oil lamps.
You have a killer coming to a home without a murder weapon, without any light,
and is just going to wing it.
He's risking it all coming to this home. So it makes you wonder either,
one, did they know the family?

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Or, two, were they watching the family? And I believe that they may have been watching the family.
Why do you think that, Megan? Well, you see. there were some things.
If you go out now, okay, let me, let me go back here a little bit.
You watch the ghost hunting shows on TV.
A lot of mediums pick up that they sense a man hiding in the attic of the house.

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Now I wouldn't necessarily call it an attic.
Again, when I'm describing the second floor, it's very, very small.
You walk up the steps, there is the Joe and Sarah's room.
And then like in the back part of that room is a door and you open that door
and it's like a storage area, like an attic, and then you can go into the kids' room.
Many mediums believe that someone may have been hiding in that room when they

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left for church, they came into the house and then hid in the attic.
Creeps me out. Just the thought of that. And then came out of the closet afterwards
and murdered the family.
I personally think that that wasn't the case. I think, again,
you're risking it. It's pretty risky if you're going to hide in the house with eight people in a house.
Someone might hear you. Someone might see you. You're trying to surprise them.

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However, outside of the house is a barn. It's directly across from the house.
And when they went into that barn, they found that
the hay bales were stacked very unusually and
they saw like an impression in the hay
as if someone was laying there and directly
across was a hole that was carved out in the wood so that someone could have

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been laying in the hay just watching the house from the barn because that's
not weird because that's not creepy or weird either and you know too i i almost
had a feeling that they were followed because how how would you know where the
where the parents bedroom
was like you know exactly where you're going in
the dark which makes me think that they were in this house at one
point in time i mean they didn't lock their doors you

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know they lived in a day and age where like you didn't have to worry about you
know yeah someone breaking in your house on your tv your jewelry you know like
how many times could he have been in that house and they wouldn't have known
going back though to the crime scene there's also something else that I want
to talk about, and it is the Stillaging Girls.
It is presumed that all of the victims were killed in their sleep,

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except for one victim, and that is Lena Stillinger.
Now, her face is covered with a gray coat, and she's sharing a bed with her sister, Ina.
So, if you walk into this room, the bed is situated on the far right side of
the room. It's leaning against a wall.
So, Ina is on on the side of the wall, and then Lena is on the other side.

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So it appears that Lena would have been struck, and she squirmed and moved down a couple inches.
She was also posed a certain way, and I'm going to read you what the doctor said.
This was Dr. F.S. Williams, and at an inquest, he said, she lay as though she

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had kicked one foot out of her bed sideways with one hand up under the pillow on her right side,
half sideways.
So he thinks that she may have been struck in the head. She's squirmed down.
Other people believe that she may have been struck and then pulled down.
Lena did have a bloody handprint on the side of her thigh.

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Her dress was pulled up and her undergarments were gone.
However, they did also find defensive wounds on her arms, which makes me think
that she woke up and she fought. At least she tried to fight the killer off.
In this room, the axe was found, and there was another item that is very weird
that was also found in this room.

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It was a slab of bacon that was on the floor. It was wrapped in a dish towel,
and it weighed about two pounds.
That was sitting right next to the axe, and then they found another slab of bacon in the icebox.
So there are a lot of really interesting resources out there regarding Villisca.

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One is called Villisca Case Files. if you go
on that website they talk about the theories with
the bacon we are not going to get into those theories on
this podcast but if you are interested you can
go online and look it up or you can surmise what you think the bacon might have
been used for so all of the victim's skulls were smashed in about 20 to 30 times

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that's excessive excessive wow yeah to the point where if you walked in that
home you didn't know who lived there you wouldn't know who any of these people were.
What's interesting is, again, he used the blunt side first.
He did what he had to do, and then he came back and then took the sharp side
of the axe and then did it again.

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The reason they know this, actually, I think for 1912, this is some good police
work, there was a shoe that was next to the bed, and the way that the shoe,
like the blood splatter on the shoe, and with blood, like the way that it was
spilling out of the shoe, it was almost as if the shoe was upright and then
the killer knocked it over and then the shoe was down.

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So because of the way that the shoe was positioned, they think like he was here,
he murdered, came back, did it again.
And that's why you had different blood splatters on the shoe.
All of them were unrecognizable for the most part. However, Josiah got it the worst.
They said that his face was completely smashed into the point where his eyeballs

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didn't even exist anymore.
It was, it was, it almost felt personal, at least towards Josiah,
because he got the worst of it.
The wife, Sarah, they said that she had slash marks on her face.
She was a little bit more recognizable, but she had slash marks on her face
that were in like an intricate pattern.

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So this killer, not only is he a sick, twisted guy, but he took his time in
this home and he really did things that he wanted to do around the house.
I mean, he also, again, took a plate of uneaten food
out had time to wash his hands
wash his hands everything yeah see what i
want to kind of like think about is like if you're

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setting the stage there's no power in this town there's the
electric company was like no not today you you ain't gonna
have power today shut it all off so it's
quiet you can't have any like radios playing like
nothing like it's a ghost town so like
why didn't anybody hear anything so going with

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that and we're going to talk about suspects later on but
since you mentioned that i'm going to bring this up the neighbor who
i love her name mary peckham i never met you but i love you listen she just
sounds like the neighbor we all need in our lives a lot of people were suspicious
of mary the reason being is because they're like how didn't you hear this like

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a whole family was slaughtered right next door to you and you didn't hear any of this?
Because again, you have the thud of the ax, you have it gouging into the ceiling.
How did you not hear this? In fact, there is a man, his name is Edward Landers,
and he was visiting his mother who lived close by.
And he said shortly around midnight, he heard a female moaning and hooting,

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but then he thought nothing of it and went back to sleep.
But this isn't a party town so so psa to
everybody watching if you ever hear a female anyone screaming
at nighttime maybe you
should call the police well she he also said hooting and moaning like you're
gonna call the police on somebody for you know having relations with their significant

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other but you also gotta think too this is this is 1912 you know how many times
the cops are going to come out and be like, hey, quiet down.
You're too loud. You got to sit down there a little bit. Put your hand over
her mouth or something. Like, come on.
You know, so he heard something, but Mary Peckham didn't.
So they're like, that's kind of weird. But Mary Peckham, you know, she's older.

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Again, you don't know what part, where her bedroom was compared to where the house is.
Maybe she's a very deep sleeper. But I will tell you this about Mary.
Shortly after the murder, she does pass away.
She had a mean, I can't say that word.
And what happened was they said that she had a nervous breakdown before she

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passed away. And they said that it had to do with the case.
She was like the unofficial grandmother of these children. She was so close
to this family, knowing that this family that she cared so much about was slaughtered
right next door and she didn't hear it.
And also too, like 60 year old Mary, what is she going to do if she hears an
axe murderer happening? You think she's going to come and swing him?

(31:50):
Like, maybe, you know, what was she going to do?
But yeah, Mary didn't hear it. There is a guy, Edward Landers,
who said that he might have heard something. But again, thought nothing of it.
Again, if you think something's suspicious, just call it in. Call it in.
Anonymous. Yeah. What's going to happen is false alarm. But at least she did something, you know.

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So by 10 p.m. that day after, and there's tons of doctors that show up,
detectives, police officers that show up around this time.
But at 10 p.m., all of the bodies are taken to a makeshift morgue that is at the local fire station.
Funeral services in the town square, it was held on June 12th,
and thousands of people were in attendance.

(32:32):
This story made news all across the country. and
it actually if you guys know about u.s history
two months before this is the sinking of the titanic and
so this story actually kicked out i love
titanic um this story kicked titanic out
of the newspapers at the time too all right

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i had a question he said where'd they come
from again they were at the at the
church right yes yes so they were at their local presbyterian church and they
were at a children's day program that sarah ran i just want to say bob's here
hello bob hey bob ralph hi hey ralph i just want to get through these comments real quick uh.

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Earlier, Damien said, sounds like premeditated, had time to plan.
I'd look at family members.
I agree with you. I think it was definitely premeditated. I definitely think
that this person planned. I mean, it depends.
Yes and no. Planned as in, again, he knew where the family were sleeping.
They knew who was in the house. So I think he was watching the family.
But then he showed up to the crime scene with nothing. Like he went in kind

(33:43):
of like hoping that there's an ax, hoping that there's light.
Or he knew. Or he knew that it was there. He either knew it was there or he's
like, alright, I'm a big badass. Let's see what we can do. Right. You know?
I mean, being at that time, I mean, everybody probably had an axe, though.
They did. Everyone had an axe. Yeah.

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So you can assume, yeah, there's an axe in the house. Yeah. Well,
Stacey, we're going to get there. You're a little ahead of us. Slow your roll, ma'am.
That's my mom. Just in case you were wondering. wondering now
this crime scene was botched
from the very beginning why was it botched megan
tell us well first i'm

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just gonna we're not going to go into the full details of how it was botched
because we'd be here for hours there was some
good detective work from 1912 but for the
most part it was completely botched for instance i'm going to give you
some examples of this the fingerprint print expert
showed up to the crime scene intoxicated he
was unable to perform his job and he

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had to go to a hotel to sober up for a couple hours before
he could come back to the crime scene now the police hired a guy just one guy
to guard the house make sure that no one comes into the house it was strict
instructions do not let anybody into this house which again for 1912 like that's
some good direction there like don't let anyone come in now i'll pause you there for a second.

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Ray, let me ask you a question, okay?
If someone says, hey, Ray, your job is to not let anybody in this house, what do you do?
Don't let anybody in. Well, that's common sense. Not this guy. Not this guy.
You have everyone in town. News is spreading like wildfire what happened.

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And you have hundreds of people outside of this house trying to get in.
In fact, days after the murder, people from all across the country were coming to Villisca.
Hotels were full trying to get a glimpse of the house.
In fact, and this is a little sad side note, that morning of the murders,
Ina and Lena, their mother was trying to get in contact with them at the Moore family home.

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They called that morning while all the stuff was happening and people coming
to the house trying to find the family.
And the phone was ringing and ringing. Now, back then, you had to go through an operator.
So at this point, bodies have been discovered.
The news is spreading. The mom calls the operator again and says,
hey, can you try to get me in contact with the Moore family?

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And the operator responds to the mother and says, everyone in this home is dead.
So that's how the mother found out. Another side note,
the mother was pregnant at the time and she had such grief and was so distraught
over the death of her two children that she ended up miscarrying that child
as well. So just absolutely tragic.

(36:40):
Long story short, don't let your kids have sleepovers. Yeah.
I'm kind of a proponent of that, but we can get into that another.
Sometimes. Yeah. I mean, again,
I'm a true crime fan and you think about who's coming into the home.
Do you know everyone? You trust everyone in the home.
Teenagers, they kind of get a little crazy. I have two young kids, so.

(37:02):
We were both teenagers. I know how it rolls and yeah, nothing getting by me.
But yeah so all those people that were outside eventually came in now i do want to say though,
and i'm going to try to find this quote quote before everyone
came into the home to just trample over the crime scene there was a doctor in

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the home his name was dr williams and he actually saw what was going on outside
because at this point again there's a huge mob outside and he came outside and
he put his hands up to the crowd and he says boys don't go in there you will
regret until the last day of your life.
So they're saying, like, this is a terrible scene. You don't want to see this.

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Like, nah, fam. Like, I want to see it.
At some point, they came in. They even took souvenirs. They took pieces of skulls with them. That's...
There's probably somebody with like a skull, piece of skull fragment in like
a mason jar out there somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, the crime scene was completely just trampled over.
By the time that they could, like there was no evidence that was able to be collected.

(38:08):
Well, if the guy wasn't drinking in a dry town, like what?
He somehow was able to get real drunk that morning and was like,
today is not the day to go to work, not be called in.
But he was also probably not expecting to get called in either. Yeah.
Again, you don't have axe murderers happening in the home. You don't have murderers,
assaults. None of that is happening.

(38:28):
You have people arguing over their dogs pooping in the neighbor's yard.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Now, they did have hound dogs that they brought in.
These guys were supposed to be the best of the best to try to see if they could
pick up the scent of the killer.
The hound dogs were on the trail. They do stop at one of the suspects Suspects

(38:52):
that we're going to talk about soon.
His home. And then they're like, no. And keep going.
They get down to the river. And then stop. They lose the scent.
So if they were truly picking up the scent of the killer. He escaped down to
the river. And then after that, he's gone.
Don't see him again. Gone with the wind. Gone with the wind.

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Now, at this point, there's virtually no suspects.
And again, it's a small town. So everyone's kind of pointing fingers at everyone at first.
For instance, there is one woman, her name is Ethel Landers.
She lived across the street from the Moore family.
And she said that there was wallpaper cleaners, salesmen that were going around town.

(39:36):
Again, wallpaper cleaning, very 1900s.
And they were new in town and they knocked on her door, knocked on the Moore's family door.
And then after the murders, they skipped town. so she
was like could it have been them there was
probably thought they nobody gonna be wanting their wallpaper cleaned
right now yeah but okay go on yeah

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probably so there was
some other again we talked about mary peckham there was some suspicion with her
also which is just an interesting little side note but sarah's sister she said
that the day before the murders took place there was a salesman that was trying
to sell her items and he got very pushy with her And apparently he said something

(40:19):
that wasn't very nice to her,
that she took quite offense to. But I couldn't find anywhere what he said.
Apparently, he also tried to accost Sarah several times as well.
So they thought, could it have been this man?
Again, like they really just had no real leads on the case. He was just trying to make some money.
Now he's a suspect in a murder. Right. Right. You can never be too careful.

(40:44):
Right. You were delivering milk that day. Sus. Sus.
Was it the milkman right the mailman could be anyone everybody.
So we're going to go into some suspects now. First suspect is Frank Jones.
Who is Frank Jones? Who is Frank Jones?

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So he is a state senator and he is a local businessman and he is in competition with Joe.
So Cece, you ask, who did Joe piss off? Could have been Frank Jones.
You see, Joe worked for Frank Jones for several years and he was in the business
of selling farming equipment.
Equipment however in 1908 joe decided to

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go off on his own and start his own business and the
business was called jb farming equipment
business now when he was
working for frank jones he actually had like a little like business deal contract
with what is it called john deer with john deer so if you guys know like farming

(41:47):
equipment john deer very big very popular money So he essentially was taking
money from Frank Jones when he started his own company.
And it was said that they were competitors and they just didn't get along on top of that.
There was also rumors that Joe was having an affair with Frank Jones's daughter-in-law.

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As well. So, you know, he might have some good reason as to why he wants Joe gone.
Now, there is a detective. His name is Detective Wilkerson, and he is assigned to this case.
And he's doing some digging on Frank Jones, and he uncovers that he has a link
to a well-known murderer by the name of William Mansfield.

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And also, we're going to remember, too, those bloodhounds, they did stop at Frank Jones's house.
House they went to the house sniffed around and they're like
now dog and kept going but it's
interesting they stopped at his house did they ever like
interview like i'm assuming since he was a suspect well he
vehemently was like nope wasn't me i didn't do it i had nothing to do with it

(42:53):
he was indicted and there was a grand jury for him however they determined that
he was not guilty and he was let go never did he because he's a senator leave
them off possibly sus it It is.
Now, William Mansfield, he is then looked at as a suspect.
He goes by an alias George Worley and he was suspected of murder of his wife,

(43:19):
his in-laws and his baby back in in 1910 in Blue Island, Illinois.
He's also linked to other murders as well. He spent some time in jail and then is let go.
Frank does have some business dealings with William Mansfield and they believe
could Could Frank Jones have hired William Mansfield to commit the crime?

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Again, if you remember, Joe was the one that was most affected by the crime that was committed.
Do you mean had I a question? Yes. He said, who had a female daughter, like, as a suspect?
It would have been Frank Jones. Good old Frank. Yeah, because.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually, the affair was actually with his daughter-in-law.

(44:01):
So never mind. Scratch that. Daughter-in-law.
But with a daughter, that I don't know.
There were other suspects, but they're really nothing of note.
They're kind of like, oh, let me check with this tip on the wallpaper salesman.
And then they're like, nah, we're good.
Right, the milkman. So I don't know. The main suspects, I'm not sure if they had daughters or not.

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But, you know, daughter, at least they say that Joe was having an affair with
his daughter-in-law, with Frank Jones's.
William Mansfield is arrested as well for the Villisca murder.
He is, he has a grand jury in 1916. However, he has an alibi at the time of the Villisca murders.
He's working in another state at the time. They're able to confirm that and then they let him go.

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So at this point, Frank and William Mansfield are off the table.
Well, did Frank have an alibi? Do we know?
He did not. He was at home that night. He, you know, his wife will say he was
there, but we can't really pinpoint whether or not he was actually there that night or not.
How interesting. Very interesting. Interesting. Are there other suspects?

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There are. We're going to go to the third main suspect at this point.
Again, if you watch all of the paranormal shows, this is the one that they talk about the most.
Mediums have gone into this home during investigations. They've picked up on this person.
And if you watch the TV shows, they have received like EVPs on ovuluses,

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the person's profession in life.
And that is Lynn George Jacqueline Kelly.
And he is a traveling preacher.
He's interesting. He's an interesting suspect.
If I just heard the story of face value, I'd say this is your guy.
But if you guys remember earlier, I have a totally different theory that goes

(45:49):
against Jack Kelly. But he is a good suspect.
So for here on out, we're going to refer to him as Kelly, his last name,
because it's just easier saying Lynn George Jack Kelly.
So he is an English immigrant and he comes here to the United States.
And again, he's a traveling preacher.
And he also has a history of mental health issues.
Shoes he is also known as a

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creeping tom as well good old peeping tom
he was a peeping tom real man of god guys also he was known to be a sexual predator
as well he was in town that night and he was also in attendance at the children's
mass the same one that the family was at great place for him great place for
him to be that night and there were witnesses that said that they saw him.

(46:34):
Like particularly watching this family at
the event and many people observed him to
have left the event early that night early enough
to go back and get and hide inside or hide
in the barn without being noticed possibly now
at five again we're gonna think about timelines here okay at
5 20 in the morning he boards a

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westbound train it's train number five out of
town so he books it he gone remember mary
peckham she's waking up at five o'clock and noticing
that the house is very still 5 18 this guy is
on a train leaving town now when he is on this train he talks to an elderly
couple and there are uh different sources that say what he would have said to

(47:22):
the elderly couple i'm going to tell you the one that was mostly out there at
some point and this is before the
bodies were even discovered he allegedly he
turns to the couple and he says did you hear about that
horrible axe murder in Villisca last night now
again bodies haven't been discovered yet why is he saying this later on there

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is also a dry cleaner who comes out and says that he delivered a shirt that
had blood all over it right after the murders as well now he is going to be arrested for this.
And I did mention what he said to the elderly couple.
However, later on, the elderly couple did say, well, he might've said this another

(48:08):
time. It might've not been the morning after the murders.
They couldn't recall when he said this.
Could he have been on a train another time after the murders and said it that
they couldn't remember if they were elderly?
So- That Alzheimer's were kicking in. Yeah. So that really couldn't be used in court.
Now, two days before the murder, he is caught peeping into somebody's window.

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The husband of the home finds him and almost kicks the crap out of him,
but doesn't. And he's let go.
I would have rung him by his neck. Yeah. Yeah. So he's known as a creeping Tom.
He also was a traveling preacher in other states, and they said that he would
send women illicit photos of himself.
So, again, like he's not a real good guy. It has a little bit of a sketchy past.

(48:54):
And again, he also just has like a history of mental health issues.
When he was a teenager, he was in a same asylum for a while.
So he just has that sordid history.
Yes, because let's just let him run loose causing havoc.
Okay. 1900s, baby.
We're real good with mental health in the early 1900s. I mean, are we much better now?

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Yeah. No, not really. now
two weeks
after the murder he returns back to
the house and he poses as a
scotland yard officer with a
bunch of other officers who are getting a tour of this
home he actually ends up getting a personal tour

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of the crime scene and people said
that he was kind of obsessed with this crime he just talked about it all the
time so that's interesting now if anyone is a true crime fan or knows anything
about crime oftentimes the killer will return back to the scene of the crime
maybe they're trying to relive the crime you know look at what they've done and and often like,

(49:58):
insert themselves into the crime when he was there that day he was telling the
officers like i know what happened like i can tell you what happened i know
what happened well how how did you know isn't there like crazy people who are
all into that stuff also right i've heard other stories of other people doing that.
People insert themselves often in crimes and they could not even be a part of

(50:20):
it. People just feel important sometimes. And so...
People are just obsessed with a lot of things like that.
I will say that I have criminal minds, okay? So I kind of think myself as an expert.
And I'll say at least 50% of the time, the killer that they reveal at the end

(50:42):
is someone who who integrated themselves very early on in the case. Mm-hmm.
Like a it's like a how close how close are you gonna get like
you can you figure it out like can you figure it out megan no i
can't like well maybe i
could i don't know depends sometimes i'm watching 2020 and i'm like that's who

(51:02):
did it were you right sometimes you know that's i feel like that's my favorite
part about watching like crime documentaries or like like criminal minds like
ncis like whatever i'll be like no it's that person like it's that person and
then you'll You'll get to be like,
oh, they'll say like, oh, they left a strand of hair behind.
And you're like, come on now, amateur.

(51:24):
Like, come on, we know this. There was a Netflix show that came out.
I forget what it was called, but it was about a guy who had a girlfriend.
She was a stalker and like doing all this crazy stuff to his house.
So I watched it and my mom watched it and she called me and she was like,
oh, my goodness, you have to see this documentary.
And she was like, there was a surprise ending at the surprise twist at the end.

(51:45):
And I'm like, I already knew who the killer was. was like first episode in so
you know my own story sure
is don't mess with me megan do not i'm
gonna solve the case accidents happen anyways back
to veliska back to veliska so once he
is found out that like he was impersonating an officer
that he's going around talking about it the elderly

(52:06):
couple are like hey that guy knew about the murder beforehand and
then recanted what they said they're also like maybe we
should look into this guy also i just want to
point out kelly is five two and
he is left-handed and if you remember they believe that the killer is short
stature and also left-handed so bob says does anyone but me see similarities

(52:28):
between this case and the original amity amityville one killer though it was
weird in both cases how everyone was sleeping and no one woke up.
Yeah, I could see that. Because again, you have one person who's going around
and they're murdering an entire family.
For me, it's very creepy. Like, I hate this.
It is creepy. It is. First of all, it's like a stranger in your home.

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I know with Amityville, it was the brother, but you have a stranger in your home.
It's like an invasion of privacy. It's just creepy. Again, they suspect he was
hiding in the barn, but what if he was hiding in the house or in the attic?
Like, you know, it's just they're both very creepy, creepy, creepy.
Damien said 98 percent. It's someone, you know, a stranger. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. I agree. And like you said, Damien, too, you mentioned the brother
or yeah, not a brother, but the family member earlier. Like it could have very well been.
And maybe they suspected like, you know, it couldn't be one of them.
The Moore family in general were very much liked around the town.
Like, no one could think of a bad thing to say about them.

(53:38):
Even Josiah's brothers. Like, they were all very well respected in town.
So maybe you're not going to look at them as suspects because they're grieving,
they're upset, and, you know, they're just, they're going to look for someone else.
Again, like, it's a horrific crime, so they're thinking a horrific person must have done this.
So you're not looking at this upstanding family in town.
Some of the biggest monsters in the world are the same ones that we walk next

(53:59):
to on the street. Right. Right, absolutely. Absolutely.
So he is indicted, and this is now 1917.
So a couple years later, he is indicted for the death of Lena.
So while he is in prison, he confesses to the murders.

(54:20):
And again, was it an authentic confession?
Maybe, maybe not. You see, this is what he writes. He writes,
God whispered, suffered the children to come to me.
Now, I'm going to read you a little bit of his confession.
And then I want you to remember the way that we talked about they were killed
or how we suspect they killed them.

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He says, I killed the children upstairs first and killed the children downstairs last.
I knew God wanted me to do it this way.
Slay utterly come to mind. And I picked up the axe, went into the house and killed them.
How did he know this? How would he know that the children were murdered upstairs

(55:04):
first and then the two girls downstairs last?
There is a trial. And at the trial, he immediately recanted this.
And he said that he was forced to write this confession. By who? The police.
Now, I will say, it's now the 1900s. No, 1917.
They're frustrated. They haven't solved this murder yet. People are asking,

(55:25):
why haven't you solved this? They have no suspects.
You have this guy with mental health. It's kind of a weird dude,
has a history of being. Exactly.
And I mean, even to this day, you can coerce someone to write a confession if
you put them through the wringer sometimes.
He says that he was beaten up. He says that he was deprived of food,

(55:46):
things like that, and that he wrote the confession.
And then once he's at court, he said, I didn't want to write that.
That's not. So is he let go?
Well, there is a trial. and he is acquitted.
Actually, it was a hung jury. I lied. They were deadlocked 11 to 1.
So then there is a second jury and he is acquitted in November that year.

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So he is then let go and they have never solved the case.
Now, what... Is this theory time? This is going to be theory time.
All right, before we do theory time, it is almost 8 o'clock.
So our good friend Buddy over on the Get Haunted Network is going to be going
live right now so you are more than welcome to jump on over and check out his,

(56:32):
by the river podcast i think it's called the van
by the river van by the river and hang out with him tell him that we said hi
and whatnot now we're gonna get into theories so megan what is your theory we
do now first we were and we were talking about this earlier i personally think
And Kelly isn't completely innocent here.

(56:56):
Again, he's a creeping Tom. He does know a little bit about the murders.
You know, I just wonder, and again, we can talk about this as just a theory,
but like, you know, what if, this might sound a little outlandish,
but what if he was in the barn when the killer, who was never in the barn, went into the house?
What if he was a peeping Tom and saw the whole thing happen?

(57:19):
And he was peeping into people's windows two nights before this.
He's at the children's program. He's watching the family.
He knows where they're going it's also pitch dark at night so anyone could have
been hiding out around that house and you wouldn't have seen it what if he somehow
saw the murders and that's why he's saying i know what happened why he's obsessed
why wouldn't why wouldn't he go and.

(57:41):
If it was his fear of being caught for being
a peeping tom like so bad that
right like because if he was like peeping through
the windows like he would have saw the person doing
it he would just saw the axe murderer right
why didn't he say anything right or was he able
not able to say anything because he's they didn't know who it

(58:03):
was could have been that could have been afraid too like he's been in prison
he's known as a sexual predator he creeps maybe he's like maybe he got some
enjoyment out of watching it and was like you know what like i'm gonna talk
about this and try to revisit the scene and everything so it just it just it
makes me wonder just a little
theory it makes me wonder yeah i think

(58:24):
he saw two damien i think i think he had some knowledge of it
again if the elderly couple was originally correct
he did talk about it on the train that morning when
he dodged out of he dodged out of town at five o'clock that morning just left
town now when this we also gotta we can sit here for days and see her eyes yeah
you know but like with the locked doors like did the the axe murderer lock the

(58:48):
doors or did kelly go in after that guy I left. Right. And.
Right. Made himself some bacon. Right. I mean, again, you had that plate of
food that was untouched. Do you try to make food for himself?
And then maybe Mary knocked on the door and he was, oh, got to go.
You know, like I'm sure Mary, when she knocked the first time,

(59:08):
wasn't going to go around back.
Yeah, she did. Actually, she walked around. Yeah. She walked around trying to
look in. Couldn't see anything because all the windows were covered up.
But there is a cup. There's a theory. It's gaining traction.
When looking into this case, you're immediately like, Kelly,
that's it. He's the one who did it. It's the preacher. Yeah.
Again, you go into this house and the ovulus says preacher.

(59:32):
Mediums pick up the preacher in the house. I personally feel like there has
to be maybe something to that depending on what you believe.
However, there is a book out there. It's called The Man on the Train.
There is also a podcast about this. I highly suggest you read that book and
you check out his podcast because he goes into depth with this.
And unfortunately, we're not going to do that here tonight because we've almost run out of time.

(59:58):
However, during the time of the Villisca Axe murder, you have several murders
across the Midwest, and they're all extremely similar in nature.
So we're going to to go back to this crime scene for a moment,
okay? Let's think about some of the things that were found at the crime scene.
You have an axe that is owned by the family.

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You have an oil lamp. The well to the oil lamp is taken off and the wick is burnt back.
You have mirrors that are covered. The bodies are covered. The windows are covered.
You have a plate of uneaten food, and you have a bowl of water that is bloody.
In all of these axe murders across the country, tree. It is the same MO at every one.

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It is families that are killed by a blunt side of an ax, followed by the sharp
side of an ax that are killed while they're sleeping in their homes.
And all of these homes, including the home in Villisca, are near train tracks.
So it is a theory out there that there is a serial killer.
This would have been one of the first serial killers in the United States that's

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following these train tracks on a train, and he is killing off families one by one.
And just to talk about it a little bit, nine months before the Villisca murders,
there is a similar murder just like that that happens in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
In October, there's another one in Illinois.

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1911, there's another one in Illinois. Then you have the The one a week before,
that's in Paola, Kansas.
And a week after Villisca, it's in Ellsworth, Kansas.
Then there's one in Texas. And they go on and on and on.
I'm not going to go too in-depth with that. And why do you think that is?
I don't know, Megan. Why aren't you going to go in-depth? Well, I will tell you why.

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So I am very excited to announce that I have a podcast coming out in 2025.
It is a morbid history podcast, and we are going to go in-depth on this topic.
So if you tune into that, we're going to talk about the serial killer theory.
We're going to go into those crimes and death and kind
of compare those crime scenes so if

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you like history if you like anything that is morbid things
that they don't teach you in high school or in you know in school in general
then i hope that you check it out yeah and then maybe we're gonna have some
collabs we're we're talking about doing some collabs we have some jack the ripper
collab maybe that we've talked about it's going to be called dreary lane the morbid history podcast

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and we are very excited to launch it in 2025.
So again, you know, it's the Muffin Man.
So yeah, check it out. We have socials, but there's nothing on there.
But if you want to follow it, you can right now. You'll be the first to be updated.

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So yeah, I heard it here. You heard it here. And again, just talking about things
like this, morbid topics and history. And with this one, we're really going
to do a deep dive on the serial killer theory with the Villisca axe murder.
So, you know, kind of ending with this, when you're talking about the paranormal
side of the home, they say it's extremely active.

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They get a lot of children EVPs in the home, sounds of footsteps.
The obulus seems to be very active. You get a feeling of despair,
feeling of being watched.
And there was that man who tried to stab himself. Yeah, there was a paranormal
investigator that was in the home by himself.
He was doing an EVP session and supposedly, according to him,

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he became possessed in the home and he stabbed himself in the chest.
He did survive and he did tell the tale. If you look up his interview online, you can find it.
Oh thanks Damien I try you know.
Mom said as long as it's not on Tuesdays at 7 p.m no
so this probably won't be on video it's probably

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going to be pre-recorded but it will be out on all podcast platforms
for your listening enjoyment but you'll be
able to see Megan's face when we do collabs because
I'm gonna make you come on video you know I'll do a collab okay I'll
do a collab um I do have two friends that are going to be on the podcast
as well so they will you'll you'll meet
them if we ever come on so yeah it'll be fun i'm looking

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forward to it i'm excited i'm also really excited to investigate
the home so jess let's get
going let's go go on come on
you know and it's just it's always sad i think any investigation that you go
to where there are little children involved um especially this one this one
is so horrific you go to play you got valiska you got penhurst that's super

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heavy you know anytime that they're like you said anytime that there's kids involved.
Like it is it is bittersweet to
interact with children ghosts yeah but
then you like you think about it and you're like damn yeah yeah it's hard i
think one of yeah yeah there's been there's been a lot that have been difficult
yeah but that is the story on veliska yes there's a lot more There's a lot more.

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This was a very short, summarized story.
You can find, like I said, Man on the Train, very good resource.
Melissa Casebook, a very good resource as well if you want to learn more about the case.
So I hope you guys enjoyed it. I mean, if you guys want to reach out to Megan
and talk to her about it, I'm sure she would sit there and talk to anybody about

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it for days. Absolutely. Absolutely.
There's a reason we brought megan on for this episode it's because megan is slightly obsessed,
slightly i love a good true crime story there is there is another axe murder
that i find very interesting maybe we can do a collab on that one too that one

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happened in germany 1920s i don't know if anyone knows that case but that's
another that's a very creepy creepy case.
Thank you, AC. Oh, thank you. We appreciate you and everybody else for tuning in every week.
Jamie said any live broadcasts. No, you guys are going to do yours all pre-recorded.
Yeah, I think we're going to be pre-recorded.

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But they will be on all podcast platforms as soon as we get up and running.
Early 2025 is what we're aiming for.
Again, you can follow the socials, Jury, Lane, Morbid History Podcast.
We're on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram. But like I said, there's nothing there
right now. It's a work in progress. It's a work in progress.
We're doing all those last. But we are currently working on doing the research

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for these episodes and recording the episodes. That's awesome. Good.
Yeah. So stay tuned. Looking forward to it. So I just want to thank everybody
for tuning in, listening to our shenanigans every week.
We appreciate you and all of your support.
And again, thank you to everybody for 1,000 followers on Facebook. book.

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Podcast is just about three months old and we've hit a thousand.
I would really, really like to see 2000 by December.
So tell your friends, invite your friends, make your grandma a Facebook account
and, you know, make her follow, you know, do what you got to do.
So that's it guys. So once Once again, thank you so much.

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We will see you back here right where you found us next Tuesday, 7 p.m.
I'll be there. Will you? I'll be there.
Megan won't be there. I won't be there. Sorry, guys. I'll be watching. We'll be there.
All right. Have a good night, guys. Have a good night, everybody.