Unveiling the Staticom: Real-time Spirit Communication

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And this is Haunts and Legends.
What is going on, everyone? Welcome to Haunts and Legends. Hi,
I'm your host, Ray, and this is my co-host.
I'm Ciara. And we have a fantastic episode for everybody tonight.
We are hosting the Staticom Project.

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In this episode, listen, I have been looking forward to this for two weeks.
Ray and I have had the pleasure of witnessing the Staticom Project in person.
Amazing. And I cannot wait for everyone here to learn more about it. Absolutely.
Without further ado, should we just bring our guests in? Let's bring him on.

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Introducing, we have Ron Iacovetti
and Lourdes Gonzalez. And we also have Tony Rathman. Hello, hello.
Tony Rathman. Nobody told us he was going to be here.
We sneak into a mall. You know that. You can't talk to us on Scatacom without hearing Rathman.
You just can't. This is true. It's good to finally meet you, Tony.

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Thank you. You too. Absolutely.
Like I said we're so excited to have you guys with us tonight pleasure to be
here super looking forward to it.
Ray, you're in charge of comments, by the way. That's fine.
So tonight we got Damien. Hey, Damien. How's it going, man?

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Damien, by the way, just a fair warning, Damien is going to have about 50 questions. Absolutely.
That's a ton of content for us. Very cool. That works. Ryan,
how you doing? Josh, what's going on, man? That's the animal.
Damien in every video. It's impressive. Icy, how's it going? Courtney? Courtney.

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Ralph Moore, how's it going? Hello, Amber, Stacy, Sierra's mother. Hi, Mama.
We got Zach here tonight. Oh, we got little baby Zachariah. Look at that.
We got Brandy. Hey, Brandy.
Davian again. Hi.
Only 50. It could be a light night. It could be a light night.

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We'll see what happens. Yeah.
But once again, thank you guys for coming. I'm super happy that you're here.
Now, I know a lot of people, when you guys come onto their shows,
they want to know about Staticom immediately,
which by all means, it's a great topic, but I want the people to know more about

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you, the minds behind Staticom.
So if you guys could, could you guys just like give a little like little background about yourselves?
Like, you know, what, where you're interested in the paranormal started and
like where everything thing kind of like began kind of thing.
Don and Laris, why don't you go first? Well, I was born into it.

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My family practices espiritismo, which is a form of mediumship in the Caribbean.
And when I was really young, I saw something that traumatized me.
So I, I shied away from it for a long time, but I, but I did have paranormal
experiences though, all throughout my life.
And then I met Ron in 2016.

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And then he started taking me into investigations or two investigations and
i fell in love with evp that was like my thing and that's why when we started
doing direct radio voice i was really fascinated which then turned into skycom
okay cool what about you i've been blamed already once.

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But for her this is a great endeavor to have on
the side it complements her her vocation she's a a court reporter by
trade so when i tell you she hears everything like i
won't say a bad word about her if she's in the house like she hears how many
times we've been caught yeah huh how many times we've been caught every time
every time before i finish the sentence yeah so she brings a lot to the table

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with that get haunted what's up we love rob and sarah of the get haunted crew,
So for me, I was always fascinated with the stuff when I lived in Los Angeles,
which I did for 14 years, 2000, 2014 at the time, the individual I was, I was dating.
We didn't agree on anything to watch on TV with 8,000 channels until we agreed

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on a paranormal show when a ghost hunt got recruited by a team to be on it,
which I thought was the coolest thing ever.
And then I was introduced not only to EVP, which I also found fascinating,
but ITC, there There was 30-something people at the Glen Tavern Inn on the third floor.
If anybody's ever been there, Santa Clara, I think, Santa Paula, California.

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And one of the people there was Chad Lindenberg from Fast and Furious,
and he did that show with John L. Tenney.
Everybody introduces themselves, 30 people, give or take. And it's the last
two, and then he introduces himself. Hi, I'm Chad.
I don't know, 20 seconds, 30 seconds, if that. And the voice goes, I know, Chad.
And I was like, what is he doing, and how do I get on this racket?
That's freaking amazing.

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And it was the SpiritBox SP7. I was like, wait, you can do this real time?
Like you can actually get answers? I was like, that threw me for a loop.
So that was when I got bit with the bug of ITC or Instrumental Transcommunication.
Flash forward, I stayed with that, and then we'll get into more of a talk about Staticom, but in 2019,

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Loris and I brought back something that predates the Ghost Box,
the Spirit Box, or really the first one, the Franks Box,
which was called Direct Radio Voice, which was born out of EVP research in Europe,
where they would use white noise on a vacant channel for audio support.
Port and then the vocals eventually as they foretold came
through the radio and this is like

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at am shortwave medium wave frequency no radio
emissions whatsoever and we watched that a
gentleman who made it most famous marcello bacchi in brusso italy
and i looked at her and i went how is
nobody doing this i've never seen a ghost
box do what this does so we're going
to see if we can replicate this and we had no aspirations of

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even trying to improve it or develop it but just
do it to get what they got was crazy to
me so we started doing that and
another key reason too is when Tony introduces himself he built ghost boxes
for 13 years fantastic silent running ghost boxes none of which he sold which
to us was also a really appealing thing to the partnership when him and When

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Sheree joined us and we became the Staticon project.
Because not as a knock against anybody who sells boxes, but someone who says
they're purely about research and doesn't sell something when he could be making
money says a lot about his genuine intent.
I don't have that ability to, to solder and build. If I did that,
I would be high-fiving with fewer fingers.

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So I don't. Tony builds cars, microwave ovens, sandwiches, all kinds of stuff.
I can't see that. No, Now, I
studied it to learn it and understand how it works, but it's not my thing.
So that's kind of how I got to where I am. And then we're again,
we say this all the time, supremely grateful that that we found the Rathmans,
that the Rathmans found us, because when they joined direct radio voice with

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us before it became Staticom.
To say that everything improved noticeably when they got involved would be to
say that the Atlantic Ocean is wet.
An understatement. Thank you. We appreciate that. Well, my story is a little bit different.
My father was a chemistry and physics professor.

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So, ghosts did not, wasn't in my conversations growing up.
And then I met my wife. And my wife started watching television shows when they came out.
15 years ago she's like oh my gosh it's fascinating you got to watch this i'd
sit down for three seconds to go this is bs this is real and i'd walk with well

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then one valentine's day in.
2010 she said i want to do something different i said okay what do you want
to do we'd normally go to a hotel hang out by the pool drink you know enjoy
the weekend because i want to do something different i said okay what do you
want to do because i want to go something and i was I was like, oh, my God.
But I had two choices. I could take her or have her mad at me until next Valentine's

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Day. So I didn't want that. So I took her.
Looked up online. You can notice there was a hotel in downtown Phoenix that
had a haunted reputation.
Thought I was done. Booked the weekend. I'm like, okay, I'm done. Nope.
Noticed they had equipment. They had certain devices.
Okay, I better get her, though. She's going to want to use them.

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So I went out, bought her a digital recorder. recorder, EMF meter,
and night vision camera, video camera.
So she was happy. So we went for the weekend. I played along,
acted like I was having fun.
But when she got the stuff home and she started going through the recordings
and the pictures and the video, she was calling me over every three to five

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minutes. What is this? Whose voice is this?
What's in this picture that wasn't there when we took it?
I couldn't explain it. And I tried for months and it drove me crazy that I couldn't
come up with a reasonable, Oh, there she is.
Be careful now. Yeah. Now I'm being listened to.
But anyway, I was blown away and I could not, I could not come up with reasonable

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answers for what she was pointing out, especially the voices and the EVP caught
my attention right away.
So I said, look, I can't, I mean, I probably spent a month trying to debunk
the first set. I said, I can't do this. Let's go back and try it again.
Maybe there was a vent or something.
Voices were coming through. I don't know. There's got to be a reasonable explanation.
We went back, couldn't find a reasonable explanation, came back with even more.

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And we investigated that single hotel over 50 times when we first started.
Wow. And we have a slew of captures, including a full body apparition that Cherie caught.
But the the evp
is what fascinated me and put me
down the path like ron said similar to him same into

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itc we built spirit boxes for 13 12
and a half 13 years haven't touched one
since ron and lourdes showed us drv
sheree and i instantly said hey can we join
you let's let's see what we can make this thing do and
today it's staticom and we're talking
about it on the show tonight that's that's a wild story yeah so we have we have

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wifey to thank for you being where you are right now yes russ nailed it there
it is compass of curiosity it's very cool hi russ.
Ronnie how's it going ronnie anderson courtney peterson look at her thank you
courtney courtney peterson supports the community like no other she does we

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love her so much she puts so much
time effort and love into everything that she does like she is a pillar of this
community for sure so staticum what can you tell us i'm ready to blow everyone's minds.

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That wojo in the house hey well joe so well i mean we could tell you that,
one of the things i guess we always try to explain is that
because there's a computer component involved and people see
software a lot of times they think that is the end all be
all of the process that the modality is just
like an app or a program it's not fundamentally it's built upon the method i

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mentioned before direct radio voice where they would use a vacant am channel
and so that's how we started in 2019 and we got voices we got voices and we
ran it through like a little a little portal box, a little reverb.
We were heterodyning frequencies, mixing different frequencies,
UHF, AM, long wave, tone generator.

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We did all kinds of things to try to see if we could do something to enhance
the clarity, the amplitude.
And including the one thing we've developed collectively between the four of
us is we're the first ones in ITC ever to slow down the flow of live white noise.
It doesn't sweep and it doesn't have a radio component. There's no tuner.
There's no reception. It doesn't record.

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So we're not slowing anything down like a sweep would on a ghost box.
We're literally slowing down the flow of live white noise, which we did because
also like our methodology,
it's rooted in what the pioneers did in Europe, which they had told
people in the research that the voices come in
not only faster than we can detect them they come
in faster the human vocal tract is capable of speaking

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and we had an instance where I recorded what I believe could have been my mother
and grandmother and at 50% slowed down where I sound intoxicated the voices
are talking as normal and even more emphatic and emotional than I am now but
at full speed no way I was going to hear that I missed the entire thing thing.
And then again, she can tell you from her career as a court reporter.

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No human being can talk that fast without stammering, tripping over their words.
And even if they did that, I still don't think, I don't think if an auctioneer
was on cocaine, they could do this. It's that fast.
So we learn something by having reverence and a familiarity with the people who came before us,
which we think is important in this field to not think that everything we do

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today is new and we invented it, but to look at the people who,
who did foundational work that ours is a progression or at least an offshoot of. Right.
We took an old method and modernized it. Yeah. We modernized it.
The idea of slowing it down happened to us with that event, with the voice coming in super fast.
And then I called Tony and I told Loris and I said, this is what I want to do. And here's why.

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And I think maybe if Tony was slacking, it took him 48 hours to figure it out
when nobody else had an answer. I talked to some Ghostbox people.
Nobody else had an answer to this. Tony was on it.
We still use the way he had figured out how to do it to this day,
which is huge because we don't have to review as much or slow down in review as much as much.

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But our target as a group was to vet the authenticity of the method as much as it was to improve it.
So we looked at criticisms of ITC that had validity, one of which was you're
getting radio broadcast voices, radio bleed through.
So now Staticom, which I'll let Tony explain how and why it happened, removed the radio.

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The only other thing we'd ever heard in ITC that was a knock was that what you're
hearing are warbles and artifacts of sound inherent in process.
So they're not voices and because we can always discern patterns in randomness
and white noise is random.
And we went, all right, let's, let's look at that with, you know, with a fresh set of eyes.
So first of all, to say that we can discern patterns in randomness is an appeal to our intellect.

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It's not a statement of debunkery because that's how we communicate.
We hear certain sounds, right? Referentially that have certain alphonse phonemes
that form certain words that we know syntactically that are a language we recognize.
That's how we communicate. We don't ever hear the cat call meow,
meow, meow and go, oh, he wants to get in the car and go get treats.
So we're recognizing language. So that's that's clearly not a detraction to

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say that we discern patterns.
The other thing, and this happens in the paranormal a lot. I know in science,
I'm sure it's also a thing.
We use the word random all the time.
And honestly, it's an empty drawer. Sure. Random is what we say when at the
moment it's not plausible or possible to calculate or figure out computationally
what's going on. So we just say that it's random.

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But white noise is not fundamentally random. There's charged ion particles, right?
Quantum fields, electromagnetic fields, what we think is deterministic speech.
So it's not fundamentally random. The white noise is computationally irreducible.
At the moment, it's not plausible to calculate and model all the factors that
are going into what's happening.

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Similar on a more basic level, the coin toss at the Super Bowl,
it's a random coin toss. It really isn't.
Fundamentally, it's not. You have angular momentum, wind speed,
trajectory, gravitational forces, but they're not going to have a team of scientists
on the 50 yard line trying to figure all that stuff out.
They're just going to go at random, you know, who's going to kick off.
So we addressed those things to be able to speak to this with some confidence

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that we at least vetted the process.
Right. Damien had a question. He said, so in the Faraday cage,
it would expel any exterior influences and only work with internal influences.
Is it still random and could human touch boost its range?
It's never fully random because there is, again, there's always things that
are involved that are influencing it.

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You just can't calculate at the time and i'll let tony take it from here to
explain how static i'm involved but the faraday cage for us at this point would
be redundant yeah no radio signal can be even be brought in,
we removed the radio i don't know six eight months into shree and i joining
the static team and i called up ron and letters so we don't need this anymore

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and they were starting to go down that path they did a test in a zinc mine and
everyone else who brought spirit boxes.
Everything died because 30 feet underground radio waves can't can't travel through
through the earth but drv at that time which it still was still got voices answering their questions.

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So then I took that information and I went out and recorded every type of white noise I could think of.
Fans, air conditioner, running water.
I taped mics to my car and drove around town. And guess what?
I could pull voices from every single one of them.
The problem was, is there was no consistency in the level of the white noise.

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Meaning if a car passed me at high speed, that level, that rush of white noise
would increase and it made pulling voices very difficult.
Then I did a test, a live test, actually, at a little Paracon out here in the Southwest.
But I went in to grab World Band Radio, and so I had a white sleep machine in

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my bag, and it had a setting for white noise on it.
So I did it, asked my question, and sure enough, I got an answer.
Not only did I get an answer, but it embedded on a chip within the sleep machine
because it wasn't live white noise. It was recorded, three-second recording.
So that answer I got repeated every three seconds, which the sleep machine no

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longer works today because that message is on it.
But that's when I turned around and learned, we can use white noise.
Let's try a white noise generator, which is why then we changed the name from
direct radio voice because we no longer use a radio.
White noise generator produces live white noise. There is no audio data in it whatsoever.

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No sentences, no words, no syllables, no nothing.
So speech, voices, responses technically should not be there at all, but they are.
Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, that's where the Faraday part is kind of built into the process now.

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It can't receive a signal, so it can't receive, it can't record,
and it's closed circuit, no ambient point of entry. Correct.
The radio waves can float around all day. White noise generator has no ability
to take those signals and convert them to speech because it's not a radio.
And that was one, like Ron said, one of the biggest drawbacks to,

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you know, PhD people working to facilitate ITC.
And, you know, they made advances. DRV was a huge advance.
But even with the PhDs, nobody really took it seriously.
So when we were doing this, we're like, you know, we got to take the low-hanging fruit away.

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And first step was the radio. And we did manage to do that.
Right. So when it comes, you know, with, say, spirit boxes, right,
they do go off of radio frequencies.
Now, do you think that the responses that we as paranormal investigators get
from the spirit box are bleed through from radios?

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Or do you think that the spirits, it's easier for them to manipulate the white
noise compared to, say, a spirit box? Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, spirit boxes work, but there is a brevity to the message.
And the reason for the brevity we believe is because you're hitting radio stations.
They cannot communicate when a broadcast is overpowering the radio you're using

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to communicate with them.
That is why you get a word or two.
That is why you'll ask question after question and not get a response because
if If it's hitting radio signal, they don't have the ability to push their message. Right. So-
Yeah. So it's, it, they do work.
You can get answers, but it is hard to decipher between what is reception and what is deception,

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meaning the radio broadcast, really hard to, to determine those two without
the radio and without the broadcast, you've got pure broadband white noise,
which they can use continuously and at any time. And that's why we did it.
So i was just gonna ask so the spirit boxes they do
work but when i would hear the voices i usually

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hear them above the sweep or below the sweep never
within the sweep and i would hear people say oh that said whatever and i could
tell that it was the end of a song or whatever so you just have to be careful
when you use it because you got to really listen to what comes below and above
of and kind of actually ignore that sweep, which is hard to do.

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The way we think all the contact works with Staticom and with the boxes is what's
called stochastic resonance,
where if anything enters into the white noise, which is every frequency a human
can hear, 20 hertz, 20,000, and if it resonates with just one of them,
then those two amplitude.
And then by the end of our process, we've slowed it down and then we lop off
the noise for through filtration.

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Orchestration so the only thing left audibly is what jumped up through amplitude which are,
the vocals we think the ghost boxes work the
same way which is why what tony explained so nicely makes sense to us also because
every time it hits a station it's like if you and i were on the phone and i
just kept intermittently hitting the mute button every time i did that the resonance

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of the white noise is no longer being facilitated or at least it's not available to facilitate contact,
Throughout the sweep, which is consistently happening.
The other thing is we have to look like the paranormal field will say that science
can't explain this stuff.
This is outside the realm of science. They don't know what this stuff is.
They can't speak to everything.
And then the first thing we do to call in as our key witness when we try to
make our cases, we call in science, most often physics. You can't do that.

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The modality of the ghost box, the idea was, is that these fragments,
these allophones, phonemes, and these phonetic fragments created from the sweep
and the randomization of the
sweep are somehow put into place to form certain words at certain times,
at certain places, to say certain words and certain answers at breakneck speed
with zero latency in the process whatsoever.

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So from a physics standpoint and sound resonating and sound traveling,
it's it's it's completely internally incoherent to suggest that something can
happen faster than speed of light, superluminal contact with no latency.
And it has to do with rearranging fragments of sound in real time into words and sentences.
Exactly. And they have to have the right sounds in the right places at the right time.

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So it completely falls apart from an internal coherency perspective.
But if you look at the resonance thing, then any time something resonates with
it and it becomes audible, even if it's between stations,
now you have something that seems more empirically grounded in what it is we
hear and what our method and the box itself, the ghost boxes can do. Right.
And the whole process of stochastic resonance is used in medical equipment,

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different scientific inventions,
but it's used to detect a signal that the five human senses of the body mostly
sound, but it's used for other things as well. Well, it's used for different energies.
It's used for sending signals throughout the human body.
But it's that the five senses of the human body can't detect.

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And white noise will allow that signal, like Ron stated, to be elevated and become detectable.
We use that process in Static Out to take voices that we thought were there
and found out they were absolutely there.
But it's also funny though, when you think about it, because people will say,
you know, if I turn my fan on, when I go to sleep at night, I hear voices.

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And then you got the medical community going, well, you've gotten,
you're suffering from musical ear syndrome or schizophrenia.
Well, I would challenge that today because we believe those voices are there.
And knowing I've captured it in fan, air conditioners, running water, they're there.
They're there. or you just have to find the people that are willing to listen to it.

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And, you know, with the Staticom, you know, compared to a spirit box,
with a spirit box, you know, you have that doubt. Is it a radio station?
Is it something else bleeding through? Like with the Staticom,
like if you hear something, it's a ghost.
You know? Consciousness, yeah, we believe. But there's no vocals there to begin

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with. So you're absolutely right.
And if there's no auditory data, There should be no vocals.
So when you flip them on, yeah, that's the first question that should cross anybody's mind.
Here's that coming from. And then the second question is, scientists say if
the brain dies and the body dies, consciousness dies, because physicalism says

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consciousness is created from the body. Well, then who's answering my questions?
Because they're not in front of me. so that brings all sorts of other theories
of philosophy which i know ronald will touch on but but uh you gotta think about
the the constant white noise is that one level and we get voices that have emotions
that are sometimes loud like it has different you know cadences and,

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how does that happen if the white noise is on one level so you gotta look at
all that Have you guys gotten different languages come through the StataCon?
We've gotten Spanish. We've gotten Dutch. We've gotten German.
And it's usually because if someone's in the audience with us and they know
that they speak that language, perhaps there's a message for them and they'll speak that language.

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And Tony's had a couple of Latin. She's had Turkish.
We've had Japanese, Tagalog, which my wife all speak.
Not Turkish. That one we had to have somebody listen to and tell us what they were saying.
But we were doing a live TDSI and a gentleman came up and said,
can I ask a question? I said, sure, go ahead.
And he asked a question in his Native American language.

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And then he just stood there for a minute and we were looking at him.
And finally I said, did you get your answer? And he said, yeah,
in Native American language.
So they responded to him in the language he asked.
We had the same thing happen with Steve Dills out of Transcendent Paranormal
in Virginia, native Algonquin language, a lost language.
And they got the answer in the language they were asking for.

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If we can, I saw Damien's question came up, which I thought was a brilliant
question, because it's something that people wonder about. And we've gotten this quite often.
Can it be influenced by Damien having abilities?
We don't believe so for a variety of reasons.
First off, let's say we do a session in a room.
You have to somehow show how a closed circuit system that doesn't receive signal

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and can't record is receiving brainwaves, I guess, thought forms or whatever
it is, when it can't receive anyway.
Secondly, let's say for the purposes of discussion that it's possible.
Now you have what we would look at and call for a philosophy we would call a combination problem.

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You've got a room of 20 people doing a session. what governs
one person's thoughts coming in over another's right what
what governs not everybody's thoughts coming through at
the same time and having just this mishmash of unintelligible
sounds yeah where else in life would it happen they can't just like pareidolia
it can't be predatory purely to the paranormal if something like that happens

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through sensory input or through sensory deprivation or through an output of
psychic abilities whatever it is it can't just rear its head in the paranormal.
There would have to be an instance, like Tony always says, where he's driving
to work going, I hate this. I don't want to go. I want to go back to sleep.
Coming through the radio in the middle of your song, something like that. With your wife, right?
So what we do think Austin Maynard, Austin Maynard calls you brilliant minds. You've arrived.

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He is, he is one of the leading edge ITC and paranormal people in the field, bar none.
And that's on a personal level, not just on an innovative level.
He's just a good person. And people should, they should learn that from him
as much as, as how to build things and how to use devices.
Great. So we try to, we try to look

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at all angles because sometimes you we latch on
to something and a lot of times it's it's it's an epistemic dependency
we learn these things from other people and then
they become an axiom where we just accept it without questioning it and it's
just how it is mirrors are portals don't put two mirrors together for which
there's no empirical adequacy that i've ever seen in any study anywhere and

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so stuff like that is another one where we can telepathically think our way
into the radio or into the device.
I don't think that's even possible. What we think could happen that would explain
instances that would make people think that's possible is that,
like Tony mentioned, we think we're connecting with consciousness.
We believe through what's called analytic idealism, which is a philosophy that

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says that reality in nature is mental, unlike what the worldview is and most
scientists would ascribe to, which is.
Physicalism or materialism, saying that there's a 3D world out there that's
separate from us outside of consciousness, but no qualities.
It's exhaustively explained in quantities, right? The world is 50 Hertz,
20 pounds, 30 yards, and consciousness is created by your brain.

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So if you go with that, that whole idea, it falls apart.
But if reality is mental and we're part of one universal consciousness and we're
all fractal individual pieces of it, or alters as they would call like as in
depth psychology, right?
What used to be called multiple personality. personality and this is not
something we're out of a hat this is something that nature shows us

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that's a model for what would explain how
our reality is and if you look at it from that
perspective then when you get an answer that comes super luminal faster
than light you finish your question boom it's there it's because
it's not traversing a distance and and so if if
i say what am i holding and then
the voice says glasses we think because

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we're connected to universal consciousness that they're grokking that
information through our sensory input because we're
also connected to that consciousness we are that
consciousness it's just we're dissociated right but as far as influence and
things like that like ron explained very well but what we do believe is intention
is very important so if we notice that when the group is smaller and everyone

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is really interested in Staticom,
we would get, we will get more responses, clearer responses,
but it's not because we're influencing it.
It's just that strong intention that is able to facilitate more voices.
That's what we believe. Yeah, absolutely.
So you said that you've been working on this project since 2019, right?

(34:58):
Yeah. So within the last five years and while developing this project,
what was the biggest setback that you guys had to face in order to get Statacom where it is today?
It's a great question, Tony. You do have a guy. Well, I mean,
the first thing I'm going to say, and there's multiple. So I'm sure this question

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we can probably go for about 15 minutes talking about.
But the first one is, and I don't know whether Ron and Lotus agree with this,
but just from my doings and my interpretations of what I've seen people say
and what I've heard people say,
is that there's two organizations out there that a lot of what we're doing with Staticom.

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And when I say doing, what I really mean is capturing.
It's nothing that we're doing. It's just the responses that are coming in.
But the first one that we challenge is science.
Science says consciousness dies with the body and it does not.
Life is done. You're over. You're gone.

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Well, then who's answering my questions? If there's no physical body in front
of me, and then that has to, again, reinforce their.
Whole physical hard body problem of consciousness with
science always fights anyway but the
other major one and i don't care which religion it is but religion oh you shouldn't

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be doing that you're talking to demons don't trust them well we don't experience
that much and and i say much only because of an instance that occurred relatively
recently we're not sure about but regardless Regardless,
you know, everything that we've been told, the information we've been given
and what we could actually research has turned out to be 100 percent correct.

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Now, we can't research everything and there's things we can't find.
And but the ones we can have been correct.
So those are the two biggest ones, just because of the subject matter of what we're dealing with.
And then, you know, and the other complication is today, everybody,
why don't you get a hold of it? And there's four of us doing research.

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That would be the other biggest complication. We don't have the power and hours
to literally set it up to sell and then geek squad half the paranormal community. There's four of us.
I think it would be the entire paranormal community. It's not going to be half. I want one.
Pre-order list, I want on top. and

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to speak to something that tony mentioned which is vitally important because
it's it's trendy almost now in the paranormal for
people to use the word researcher instead of investigator it's trendy to say
that our team is very scientific we go into debunk that's not in nature really
a fundamentally scientific statement that's like saying i'm going to a multi-ethnic

(37:54):
multicultural multi-gendered party and i'm going into hate but if i find people i like Like, no,
you're going in with a bias.
Just investigate, just assess to the best of your ability what you get and see
if you can figure out what it is or what it isn't.
Science is in the business of telling us what we're going to see next.
Science predicts and models the behaviors of nature and reality.

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It doesn't tell us what nature and reality is.
That's a philosophical argument, which is one of the reasons why we took on
analytic idealism, because it seemed to be the most skeptically parsimonious
and make the most sense allowing for the paranormal and supernatural to be normal and natural.
So that's huge. And that's when we say we're speaking to consciousness.
That's one of the issues that whole, like Tony explained really nicely,

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when the body dies, the brain dies, there's no consciousness because the brain
creates consciousness.
One of the reasons that that is untenable as a philosophy or as a metaphysics,
which by the way, the paranormal community often metaphysics,
they think it means like spiritual woo woo kind of metaphysics literally means
that which stands behind the physics.
And so as a metaphysics to say that the brain dies and it creates consciousness,

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And so then there's no more consciousness falls apart through something that's
been around for quite some time now.
It used to have a different name, but it's called usually I think called the
I forget the explanatory gap. It's called the hard problem of consciousness.
If matter in the world out there is also the same kind of matter that we're made up of. Right.
Matter has its own existence according to that mindset. What some moments of

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science ascribe to is that this physical matter, standalone existence and consciousness
is in your head where your brain creates it.
So the problem is that if the matter out there doesn't have consciousness,
then how does the matter inside of your head create it?
Right. So there's no way, at least in principle, to deduce from abstract material

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material, the experiential states that are the taste of something,
the smell of something, to feel love,
you can't deduce those things from abstract matter.
So that's the disconnect. It's called the hard problem of consciousness.
And that's one of the things that science struggles with.
Well, and also because the elements that make up the body are the same elements
making up trees, rocks, everything else out. You got atoms, electrons, molecules.

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It's the same. So if one can produce it, why can't the other?
Right and so there's another metaphysics that's called panpsychism that looks
to get around the hard problem of consciousness by saying well everything out
in the world has consciousness now the trees the chairs the tables the car everything
but then they run into something that is called the combination problem that
if they get if a table has consciousness,
and then you cut a leg off of it does that leg have its own consciousness what

(40:35):
if you put it back onto the table now what do you do how do you fuse those two
consciousnesses so it gets right and they don't realize when they say that then
they're suggesting that we are assembled Assembled and not born,
because that's the combination problem.
And we all know we don't assemble from the bottom up.
Right. Good point. And the other problem is that if you've got an explanation

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that literally solves everything, then you've explained nothing. Right. Right, right.
Consciousness seems to be, in nature, self-organizing, metabolistic, sentient beings.
Damien had a good question there. Yes.
Damien asks. Yeah. Running time, does it do recording facility,

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which could influence working dynamics, internal parts acting as a radio receiver?
It doesn't do recording. Yeah, the recording parts acting like a radio receiver.
In no way that we could possibly fathom that to be possible.
No, I would say no. I can't think of a way that that would be.
No, you're literally talking one computer circuit that literally just mixes frequencies.

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It makes 20 hertz. every sound up to 20 kHz and combines them at a spectral frequency.
Frequency of one, meaning they're all at the same level.
Nothing is louder than the other. That's why you get that rushing white noise
sound rather than hearing any of the individual frequencies.

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Could that possibly, through any power source or ability, pick up a radio wave? No.
No different than when people go out and buy an app to put on their phone thinking
they're going to pick up EMF detections.
Phone doesn't have those chips or computer circuitry to do that.
Yeah, neither does a white noise generator to pick up radio frequency. It's just not possible.

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Right. And we record externally, not internally. The software is not,
it doesn't have a recording facility.
We do digital recorders to record. Right. And the consciousness and the brain
thing. David's got some really good questions.
Yeah, consciousness being in the brain. One of the things that Offset said is
the fact that they had done studies with just, Just as an example with psychedelics

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where people had the most visceral, vivid experience ever,
but the brain activity was next to nil, almost as close to death as you can get.
So you can't have something be the cause of excitations in the brain.
Yet during the most excited stage it's ever been in, the activity is next to nil.
So that what happens is a lot of times it causality gets confused with correlation, right? Right.

(43:10):
There's activity in the brain when there's excitations or experience a lot of
times because it is our brain that we experience things through or that that's part of the process.
So you will see those things, but not to confuse it with causality.
Right. When you see fire, you can always correlate a fire truck and fireman,
but that doesn't mean that they're the cause of the fire.
Right. Because you can correlate those things.

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Yeah, absolutely. So where what is the ultimate goal for Staticom?
So like the end goal, like obviously you guys still improve on it every day,
but like, what's the end goal?
I mean, I think the end goal would be a variety of subjects.
One for two way, real communication, two for education, not only from us to

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them, but from them to us, wherever those boundaries lie that they can answer, right?
But there were a bunch of other things that happened, too, that in the process
we didn't really think about when we were constructing and building and researching.
Well, one of the most satisfactory experiences.

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And I'm sure Ron and Lourdes agree with this, is that when you can take that
out in public and somebody can come up and ask a personal question and get an
answer that just makes their mouth drop to the floor because they've heard from someone that passed,
whether it was a child, parent,
and they just literally break down and say, thank you, thank you.

(44:43):
Oh, my God, you changed. I feel so much.
That is the most rewarding experience of anything else and makes it all worth it right there.
Yep. Life-changing experiences when we provide that for people.
I agree with everything that Tony said, but that really is my favorite part.
I love when someone has a life-changing experience.

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I feel like that's why we're blessed to do this. We're supposed to be doing that. Right.
The irony is, is that gentleman I mentioned in the beginning,
Marcello Bacci, who made direct radio voice most famous, used to do sittings
in a studio space in Groseto, Italy. And he had parents come in who had lost children.
And he gave those moments of closure. He gave those moments of contact to people
for 20 something years and he didn't charge to do it at all.

(45:27):
Right. So we wanted to see if we could replicate the method,
like I said, and see if we can get what they got.
And now through circumstance from being out in the field, we're doing the same thing.
And it almost happened gradually and organically. We would be at very historic
locations around the northeast and this is the home of Paul Revere.
People don't want to talk to Paul Revere's spirit. They want to talk to Uncle Phil.

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That's what we would do.
Does it challenge religious views and say you're being led by the devil?
I think any level of extremism in a religion may find that, but a lot of religious
institutions are very well adept at this type of research.
And they've been involved in it for quite some time.
So I would say it challenges the peoples who have views on religion,

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but it doesn't challenge religion.
Right. And one of the things that I think the other really big understanding
that came from the research is that it really challenges what you believe reality to be.
And that's kind of the first question that was proposed when we were trying

(46:35):
to figure out what are these voices, where are they coming from,
how are we receiving them?
We had to take a step back and say okay what
do we believe is real what do we believe is
happening what do we believe happens after you
know and and so your your ability to determine what you're thinking what you're
thinking about and how it relates to what you're getting all played important

(46:58):
aspects in putting this together yeah yeah absolutely i think what she did is
right too I think religion, through stories,
through myths, which have messages,
metaphor, important things that they impart,
the worst thing I think that's happened to religion has been institutions.
Religion itself, name the religion, has a lot of value to offer people.

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There's a cultural need for transcendence to be connected to something larger
than ourselves that still exists.
And since religion has fallen out of favor so much over, I don't know,
how many several years now, people look for that transcendence and other things.
They look for it in the arms of a stranger, in the bottom of a bottle,
in a sports team, a political party.
They're looking for that bigger than life, bigger than themselves thing to be a part of.

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Or they get depressed or angry. All these issues that come up.
Religion offers a lot of that that's beneficial, I think. But the institutions,
I think, are the problem, not the religions of all.
Same thing with spirituality. Well, the worst thing to happen to spirituality
is the word spirituality.

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Because for people, it makes it seem like it's a separate content outside of reality.
That's a great point. That statement's a great one. Not to cut you off.
But the terminology also, if you boil any religion down to what the end goal
is, what the goal is here, If you take away all the terms, all the names,

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all the what we are talking about doesn't conflict.
It actually doesn't conflict with science or religion.
It's just it's terminology, which is where Ron is going with the whole spirituality word.
No different than, you know, how we communicate with nouns. And I say, OK, this is a fist.

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Where'd it go? It's not it's not a thing.
It's an action. So sorry, Ron, didn't mean to cut you off. No,
that was perfect. And that was that was the perfect time to mention that.
That's one of the things we have to understand is language governs how we associate
these things, how we relate with these things.
And like Tony said, we give proper names to things like the fist when it's a it's a doing.

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It's not it's not a thing with its own existence, but we call it that we we
arbitrarily label things separately for the purposes of referring to them and separating them.
Right. If you said, I want to get a car, and they go, all right,
do you want the engine? You go, yes, I want the engine. In order for the car
to go, the car has to have the engine.
All right, in order for the car to go with the engine, it also has to have the tires.

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And in order for the tires to grip the ground, you have to have gravity.
And with the tires and gravity, you have to have a road. So now the road is also part of the car.
And the road is part of the earth, which now the earth is part of the car. See what I'm saying?
We arbitrarily make these boundaries, but you could causally connect all these
things that are not separated, that are linked together.
But we refer to these things because that's part of how our language works.

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Even with science, particles, they've known now for, what, 40-something years
or more through quantum physics that they're not stand-alone little things with their own existence.
They're a behavior of the field of subjectivity. They're what nature's doing.
We call it that, so we have something to refer to.
But the great metaphor is if you look at a lake and you think of that like as

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universal consciousness, that's the one mind.
And the lake can have ripples on it. And the ripples have measurements.
Measurements, you can create physicality, which is where physicality comes from.
It arises from measurement, right?
You can get momentum, speed, height, width, depth, but you can't take the ripple off the lake.
There's nothing to it but the lake. It's a doing.

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Behavior on the lake, right? So collective consciousness is like the lake and
we're the ripples, right?
So we are not separated from nature. We're all part of one and the same.
We're immersed in it and within it. and
people don't realize that there's not like an actual place
we're in it we just don't see we're

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not we we can't see everything how it
is or the representation of it because of our sensory inputs and and it's limited
but we're all part of the same yeah absolutely do do you think that you guys
could share some some clips of things that you've pulled through the staticum
yeah we We could do a share of screen.

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You want me to do it, Tony, or are you ready? I'll do one.
All right. You know what? He'll cue one up. I'll cue one up. There we go.
So what I'm going to play for you was, I believe we, hold on.
Let me just make sure everything's working. Okay.
Was a question asked. One of the things that we were not sure about was when

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I'm speaking to them, I'm using my regular voice.
I'm not amplifying it.
I'm not sending it through a mic or a frequency of any type.
It's not being converted.
It is literally, I'm speaking just in my normal tone of voice.
Well, for another human,

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as long as you're close enough to me and that vibrational wave in the atmosphere
doesn't dissipate over time through molecules within the air,
you're going to hear it because the follicles in your ear are going to vibrate.
Those vibrations are going to be sent through the ear to the brain.
The brain's going to interpret it as speech, and you're going to turn around

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and answer me. But if a spirit is energy, how are they hearing me speak if they don't have ears?
So this is the question.
Sheree, this is the question I asked, and this is the response they gave.
So if you just want to add the shared screen I put in, I will play that.

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Love this one. How do you hear me speak?
So that's a fascinating answer for a couple of reasons. One,
anyone who's done ITC work knows that sometimes you'll get the answer on the
recorder before you even finish asking the question.

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Well, that perfectly explains how it happens. The other funny part about that
answer, and not even funny, I mean, it is a direct response.
It answered my question with timing and relevance. But that the survival theory
looked at in science says that consciousness is the part that would survive

(53:32):
in the survival theory of life.
And it is the energy of the mind, which I think was their term for what we call
consciousness, answering the questions.
Yeah. And it's crazy how you have that
full sentence coming through when scientifically it shouldn't. Correct.

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There should be no voice there at all.
Timing and relevance, intelligence, answering what I asked, and clarity of voice.
It's honestly insane.
Like, it's insane. It is. It is.
And scientifically, it shouldn't because scientifically we would try to explain

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it in quantities, in measurement, in hertz.
And it's an experiential state, I think, that we're having. Every time you have
any experience, it's always subjective.
It's another, I think, red herring is this objective consensus truth. Right.
Even when you get something through instrumentation, the experience is still

(54:42):
subjective because your sensory input, your dashboard of dials is what's taking
it in regardless. There's no other way.
The one I queued up, one I thought Sierra would want to see because this is
when we were at the My Haunted Manor. There's two of them from there.
And we did a show recently, and this is the one that the host pulled up that he thought was crazy.

(55:06):
So let me i'll do a full
share screen on this wow ron's doing
that i just want to put a quick shout out like if you
guys have not heard of my haunted manor or the my haunted project please look
into it please come out and visit my haunted manor you will not be so disappointed
nope absolutely yeah oh great yeah it really is we went we went back two weeks

(55:31):
apart uh that's That's how good it was.
They really came back to see me is what it really was. Of course.
I have two from that night, but this is the first one. This is the one Daryl
was like, let me know if you don't hear it. You're good.
They started digging. What would they find?

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First. Yeah. Yeah.
Is it a male or a female person?
Male or female?
Woman. Woman. Woman.

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Love that one. That's excellent. I love that one, too.
And the reason why I love that, because you hear, is it a male or female or
whatever, and it says a woman.
Yeah. Crazy. Like answering the question, but not with an option that you gave it.
So that I know there is an intellectual right.

(56:38):
Being behind a really good judge.
It's very cool that you pointed that out because we have that happen on a lot
of different things where we ask a question and contextually it makes sense.
But it wasn't the angle we were looking for. Right.
When we asked it, which also rules out that it's us coming through our thoughts
kind of thing. I was going to say that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You know what? That brings up. Should I play no cops?

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Because that's a great. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I am.
Go ahead, Tony. Yeah, go ahead. You explain where we were at.
So we were at the Montgomery House in North Carolina.
It's a place that Chris Allgood and Audra Keeler run.

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They're part of our Entity Voices Paranormal team.
And so I asked a question. I said, what is your favorite part of this house?
Thinking about a room. Boom, and we get something completely different.
Yeah, they have an attribute to the house, but not the answer we were looking for at all.
And Damien, in true Damien fashion, says, can't deny it looks cool on paper,

(57:43):
but he'll have to test it.
Yeah, well, these are, in fact, tests. No paper was used or harmed in the making.
Not any research. None at all.
So this is, you'll hear Lourdes ask the question, what's your favorite part
of the house? And she even says, what room?
Now, this house was on 5,000 acres. It was out in the middle of nowhere.

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So here is that response. What's your favorite part of this house? Waterloo.
Wow.
Yeah. No cop. I know. It's crazy.
You know, when we started thinking about it, yeah. I mean, cop,
you were talking horses.

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This was 1820 or I can't remember when the house was built.
But I mean, that was a half day ride or longer to get out. And the house itself was on 5,000 acres.
So yeah, house had safety. Children could play.
A fantastic, intelligent answer with timing and relevance again.
And that's what it points out. It points out that intelligence behind it.

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That it's not just me and my brain thinking, oh, the living room is my favorite.
And then it coming out on a box.
It's showing that there are intelligent responses. responses and
the other thing about sorry let
me cut you off zero the other thing about that clip is that
people will challenge things like oh wait they said

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the word cops you know that that term wasn't around then well if you look at
analytic idealism about how we believe consciousness functions and if my consciousness
here today and now even in the living contributes back to universal consciousness,
there would be no language that would be obsolete.

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It would leave no individual consciousness behind, meaning you'd have no consciousness
coming up from the 1500s trying to communicate in a language that wasn't relevant anymore.
It keeps every aspect of what is current today available to be used in words
like cops or cancer or some of the other ones that people said,

(59:58):
well, that word wasn't around.
Well, it is now and we're contributing it back to universal consciousness.
And so it would be available.
Right. We don't think that that's a two-way street necessarily,
too, because the reason why I can't read your thoughts, you can't read mine,
and I don't know what's happening in the galaxy of Andromeda or what's happening
in China, is because we are,

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what separates us, even though we're part of one mind, is a dissociative boundary.
Which, again, something that nature shows us is not something we're making up.
Multiple personality, or now what's called DID, dissociative identity disorder,
So it has one mind that appears to be multiple centers of identity.
And the dissociation, especially on a mentation level, like what Tony's explaining, is powerful.

(01:00:40):
There was a study that was done over in Netherlands where a woman claimed to
have five alters, five personalities, one mind, five identities,
two of which claimed to be blind.
Now, her ocular system, all her physical features, her eyes wide open,
everything works just fine. When one of the blind altar was an executive control
of the body, there was no activity in the visual cortex of the brain.

(01:01:05):
None. Wow. So dissociation is literally blinding.
And then it would resume when one of the altars was in place.
So this is why we feel we contribute to universal consciousness.
But however, we don't have access to everything because we are dissociated from
it and each other as alters of that one mind.

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And what's interesting with that study, like when they cure people with multiple
personalities, whether it be permanent or temporary.
That one individual that had those multiple personalities now has all those memories within them.
So when they were having the episode, the the ultras were separate and couldn't access each other.

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But once they are cured, all those memories that that person holds as one now.
So it makes sense of if you think about it in as in a cosmic level and collective
consciousness, when we move on, we re-simile back into collective consciousness.
Right. Great, great explanation.
But I think the only term that I may split was that they didn't they realized

(01:02:16):
it was always them the whole time.
That's true. Left it among. Right. Good point.
Yeah, no, that's absolutely that's absolutely important to add.
Even when, and we talk very much now on this analytic idealist philosophy as
much as about the staticom stuff because it's foundationally important to the
field because we can't keep saying this stuff is outside of science and then

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call physics as our key witness to prove our point. It's contradictory to do that.
So when we hold something up and go, what am I holding or what am I wearing
or something in the environment gets labeled or called out, right?
There are people who have told us, well, spirits can see and hear without eyes and ears.
Well, we're spirits, right? We have spirits. We have spirits.

(01:03:00):
So if spirits could see without eyes and ears, why would we have gone through
billions of years of evolution to develop these ocular and audible systems for survival?
If we could hear and see all along, would we not eradicate blindness and deafness
if spirits could see and hear?
So there has to be another reason. So again, we look to consciousness and idealism
when we go, well, if we're connected to universal consciousness and we contribute

(01:03:22):
to it because we're personalities of it,
then when I hold something up mine, or as let's say, Tony's input,
input through sensory input, they're grokking that information from us because
we're contributing that to the collective.
And then it's there because it's one mind who has access to what's in that mind.
And then you get your answer in real time. So now you don't have to formulate

(01:03:43):
anything that you're making up for the purposes of fleshing out a story or a narrative.
It dovetails nicely with the philosophy. It doesn't defy any laws of physics
or science whatsoever, which is important.
So that's why we look to explain things with multiple personality or DID.
What nature and science tells us, if we have examples of it from which we can

(01:04:07):
pull and then make sense of things, and we don't have to invent things like,
you know, like there's a portal under the stairs there that nobody can empirically
prove whatsoever or even support.
We can, at least in this way, back up what we're saying in a way that makes sense.
There's a reason to think it. It meets a prima facie level of plausibility to
even invest the time into it.

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I can also, because I don't want Cherie to start chewing us out here in the
chat, I can show you a second.
She's a sweetheart, but we don't know. A second one from My Haunted Manor.
Which Sierra can attest to, in the basement where there's dirt exposed to areas
and you don't want pedestrians from the public walking around.

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So they have these signs that say do not enter on these little yellow chains that are like,
warding off these areas right so they don't enter the spot so this
i don't have the video of but i asked what the
sign says and the voice completely answers it
and it answers my question but it rephrases the answer
of what the sign says it interprets the sign bingo it interprets this that's

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the right word but this is supposed to be possible right all right there he goes God bless.

(01:05:35):
Wow annoying is again it is insane yeah so that's from the my haunted manor
so that's another reason you should go the sign says do not enter but they don't
say do not enter it says not to enter sign says not to enter and that's the
thing is science science will go and do their do the
research and give you the most probable answer right

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but they're not going to give you the answer because even science doesn't
know the answer right well again science science can't
even define consciousness so right right it tells us what nature does it predicts
and models behavior of nature doesn't tell you what it is that's an ontology
that's a study of beingness and that's a philosophical position which is why
we look to the idea that consciousness is is what's what's It's called an ontological primitive.

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It is what is from which everything could be explained and emerge.
But itself not reducible. It's called a reduction base.
When you reduce things for the purposes of understanding them,
you can keep reducing down at some point, right?
The organs, the cells, cells, et cetera, all the way down to subatomic.
At some point, you've got to stop or you're chasing your tail.
So the reduction base is consciousness. Some people will believe that it's space-time,

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but space-time are man-made constructs.
Space and time are in fact the appearance of cognitive proximity
that's right the space which things happen so
in order to have space time you have the appearance of proximity cognitive proximity
you have to have perception in order to have perception you have to have what

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consciousness so conscious primacy over space time and and that what what ron just said was,
was that's a great it's tough to comprehend so just as an example ray do you like beer.
So without using man-made time, tell me when you had your last beer. You can't, right?

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Can't be done. Something so simple. You can't say yesterday.
You can't say two hours ago. You can't say last week. Can't say last month.
That's all time. It's all man-made time.
That would be a great experiment to do. At a bar?
No, the sign language thing. Not that. I'll try, but it sounds like fun. Yeah.

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No, that's a great, that's a great question. Does that understand sign language?
That would be a fantastic thing to try.
We know that we've gotten answers, which we believe they're getting through
us through contributing the consciousness. So I don't think we come through the vice.
If you, we've had like his glasses and say glasses, right?
So perhaps, I mean, I think that we could, we never tried it,

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but why not? We should try.
Yeah. The other, the other thing that Damien asked a little bit ago was having
two boxes running and would they, the same voice that come across each box or
do you think they would communicate back and forth through the box?
If you have something to say, but then I want Tanya to answer it because I know what he wants to say.

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Well, first of all, it's not a box. It's a method.
So that's, you know, we don't have a box. It's a method. So that's first off.
And then you want to continue because I already forgot what the question was.
Oh, the two boxes, the two methods working.
We did run the two methods together. We did.
And maybe one of you guys can explain what happened. Yeah.
Well, it worked perfectly. And yes, we heard some of the same voices on both machines.

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But the most fascinating part is when we'd switch over from one to the other.
Let's say we were running around.
And then we told the spirits, we're going to shut that one down.
And we're going to turn mine on. We would give them a password.
And the password Ron would give them would be the first word they would say when I turned mine.
And we did that how many times, Ron? Four, five? Yeah, in Gettysburg, yeah.

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Over and over. Words from, like, pineapple to, I don't even remember what some of them were.
Elephant. And then in between, we were about to switch to one time,
and then she walked back in the room. I went, who walked back in the room?
And the voice said, Lourdes. Lourdes.
Everybody just went, yeah.
That is. Yeah, that's been done also. And we've also done tests where we've

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told people that if we're doing groups, if you're too uncomfortable to say your
question out loud, just come up and think it.
And they've gotten their answer as well. And this is part of the end of consciousness.
Correct. Because consciousness, if it's energy of the mind, and what Ron was
just indicating, absolutely.
We were doing a live similar to this. chri

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and i in arizona ron and loris in new
jersey chris and audra in north carolina
chris wrote a word on a piece of paper
and ron asked what word did chris write and the
answer came through chris took it held it up to the camera sure
enough the word they said was zebra that's what chris had wrote and he held
it right up yeah right because he saw it he contributed it to consciousness

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to collect because he is a fractal part of it again the thing that's hardest
to get our minds around and it took us a while is that there's one mind and
we're all part of that one mind.
So we contribute to it, but they're dissociated. They're each separate.
And that's why we feel separated from nature or the world. Right. Yeah.

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If you want to see another one, this is one that Tony brings up a lot that we
got at the Chamblee Hotel when we were still using the radio for the white noise source.
It was a vacant longwave channel, but it's one minute.
With the same voice on a rant, which I've never seen a ghost box do.
We call it damnation. Cause that was one of the things that was really clear.

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And she heard it in the moment. And there's other stuff that does not even annotated.
Like I could hear, you can hear other stuff in there, but it's still,
it's you'll see. It's great. I love this. One of my favorite ones.
This is, yeah, this is one of the calling cards that's in our lecture.
Just because I, as Tony always says, it's, it's a minute and six seconds,
seven seconds of the same voice.
Just a minute and three, maybe a minute, three talking, talking non-stop and

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when i was reviewing this thing i was laughing like a kid and she's like what
are you laughing at i want the guy still talking like i thought 15 20 seconds
like i'm done i'm out of the woods no he had more to say so here's that one.
Music.

(01:12:05):
I don't know.

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That's comfortable to hear in your own home isn't it again
oh yeah insane yeah crazy
it's truly mind-blowing what you
guys have developed like i
i've said this to both you and you both
ron and lordis before like i seriously think
that this is the the next best thing

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as far as paranormal investigating you know
because you can go and be like why does it work and
you you guys will sit down and be like this is exactly why it works you know
like there's there's really no argument to it you know and you know other people
can do it too because when when man and i started really we started with a boombox

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radio in a barren channel that's how we started and it.
May be the reason why we get really good voices is because of doing that and
building the connection Same way with Tony and Cherie, because they were building ghost boxes.
So if people really, really wanted to do this, yes, it's a grind.
But if you really want to do it, you get yourself a radio.

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And even though it sounds crazy, you sit there and you record the white noise
with a digital recording and just listen.
Listen and see what you get. And you will get voices. Eventually,
you will get voices. Yeah, the other thing, that's a great point,
Lourdes, but the other thing to note is that after doing this for 20 years.
Marcello Bacci was actually tested by science.

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And he was using a vacuum tube radio, and they pulled out the vacuum tubes one
by one to see if his would still receive voices.
Pulled out the first one, he still got voices. Pulled out the second one, he still got voices.
And the scientist said, if I pull out the third one, you still get voices. I'll eat that.
Pulls up the third one. He's still got voices. And then Marcello said,

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don't eat that. That's glass. But the point was.
The vacuum tubes at that time frame were the intersecting connection between
the electrical flow and the radio wave being transmitted into vocal characteristics.
When they removed all three and he was still able to get voices, it had nothing to do.

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Let me rephrase that. It didn't have as much to do with the method as it did
with the operator, because the only thing they could remove to make the voices
stop was Marcello himself.
Which again, intentions, he had strong, good intentions.
Right. But what happened, what happened was, is that the experience was modulated by the radio.

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Right now, radio stations are flying past our heads.
We don't hear it. It does not register on our dashboard of dials,
as we say in analytic idealism, that our senses are like a pilot has a dashboard in the cockpit.
And it tells them what's going on outside the world, you know, in the environment.
Even without a window blacked out, he could still fly and land the plane off

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of what instrumentation tells him. That's how we navigate life.
It's the same thing. We know we can't see and hear everything that's visible,
like all the spectrum of light, the full spectrum of sound.
We don't have access to all of it. So it's safe to assume there are things happening
that our senses don't pick up on.
Terrestrial radios is another example. And the device modulates the experience
and then we're able to hear it because it brings it into where our senses,

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our dashboard, our dials can register it.
The mistake we make in reality as people that the pilot and the plane doesn't
make is that we don't, we mistake the dashboard for the sky and the pilot doesn't.
He knows that that's telling him what's going on out there. It's the world out there.
We think that everything we perceive as solid standalone existence and that's

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everything there is in reality.
And we were grasping it all and we're not. We're not. We couldn't be in tropic
suit to the brain. then it would be too much.
Imagine looking at your computer, not at icons or folders, but as zeros and
ones of data, there's no way you'd be able to handle that.
But that's how life is for us. We perceive enough to interact and don't perceive the rest.

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Right. So why is all this philosophical hoo-ha stuff important to Staticom or
the power of nothing else?
Because when you do this stuff, people will tell you that
stuff's not real you don't believe in that stuff it's not real in order to determine
real or not real you have to have some idea hopefully that's what you think
reality is and we look to reality in a way that allows for things that we know

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to be true and doesn't conflict with science.
And through idealism and reality being mental processes, not mine or yours,
but again, like mind at large and we're fractal parts of, it allows for the
supernatural to be natural.
It doesn't clash with the laws of science. Those are regularities that we know to be true.
Right. And that's one of the things I think in the paranormal field that we

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need to take a step back from.
The way we explain or justify psychometry or stone tape theory completely flies in the face of science.
It completely clashes with physics. If the world out there is just all measurements
and numbers and everything that's experiential, like tastes and smells and feelings
is created by consciousness, right?

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Your brain creates it. Then how does the world out there that doesn't have experiential
states somehow soak up some trauma that happened at a Victorian house into the crown molding?
And then for reasons no one's ever explained, somehow it gets released and then people feel it.
It's completely cautious with science but if that house
is not actually physical it's how the world

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out there represents itself to us but it's part of a mental process
and then you go in there and you are also a dissociative part of a mental process
then you have mental and emotional mixing with mental and emotional and we know
again from nature that that happens every day you think you feel something you
hear a song you feel or you think so we know that those things influence each

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other you don't have any conflict with science.
Absolutely.
Damien asks, could it be used underwater?
Or tested above the clouds. If it could have been tested above the clouds,
Tony would have been out there with a parachute helmet and a plane by now.
Listen, Damien, if you can come up with funds to do that, do it.

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Above the clouds, yes, it could be. Underwater, no, it's not waterproof yet.
Yeah, and I say yet. Yeah, I was going to say, if Damien can come up with the funds, we'll do it.
I'm sorry, go ahead, Sierra. So what if you go into a submarine,
go underwater, and run it in a submarine?
It'll probably work. They did do experiments. That would be no different than

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in your zinc mine. Zinc mine would be a natural Faraday cage.
The water, the steel of the submarine would act also deflecting radio waves.
But I would bet it would work just fine.
Yeah, and I think the angle Damien was going with was the fact that water is
actually more of an efficient conductor than something going through wire, right?

(01:19:43):
Because metal has heat degradation and vibration, whereas water doesn't have that problem.
They did do tests with telepathy and mediums. I forget the name of the project,
Deep Dive, if it was called.
And they had either the medium or the experimenter in a submarine.
The other one was above ground to see if they were able to send messages or
telepathically transmit things.

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Through the distance and depth and through water. And other people have also
done experiments with microphones in water to record EVP.
So again, water is, is physical to us, but it's actually the representation
of what actually is right.
Water is how we perceive what is out there, but it's also a representation of a mental process.

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So yes, I think it could work through water and certainly I think it could work above the clouds.
That's, And that's the thing that's really difficult with when we come with
this idealism stuff and philosophy is that it's very easy to quickly go back
to a material world, like a materialistic idea that the world is separate from
consciousness and it's out there.
And that's a problem that we're working against in the paranormal field.

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It's not really it's kind of unheard of.
And it's it's a game changer for those who have evidence and who believe in
this stuff that we undermine or at least subvert that as as the worldview.
Worldview, because that's how people think now that everything out there is
standalone and it's outside of consciousness and it's, it's feet and yards and kilohertz.

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And that's the world out there. But those are not things.
Those are descriptions of things, right? You can't hand me five pounds.
You all, I can hand you a weight and the weight's five pounds,
but the five pounds describes the weight. It's not the weight, right?
But we somehow over years and years and years have adopted the description as the world out there.

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Yeah. People think that we're made up of, of zeros and ones.
We're not made of zeros and ones. The zeros and ones is what describes.
Yeah. What's going on. Kilohertz yards feet.
Those describe what's out there to say that those things are the world out there,
that those things actually exist in and of themselves is to say that the map

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comes before the territory.
The map points to the territory. It has value because it's pointing to something.
You can't take the map of New Jersey and then from that pull the state out of it.
The territory has to come first. But we look at reality in the opposite way.
We look at it that everything's physical and that these measurements exist.
And they know, too, from quantum science, I know for the last at least 40,

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50 years, that physicality arises from measurement.
Things don't have these attributes that they get when they measure prior to measurement.
And then they just reveal them. Physicality is created through measurement.
You know, you've had some really good questions asked in your,
in your show and that's when you're talking about some of the biggest hurdles.

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Well, that, that actually is another one of them.
When we talk about the number of questions that people, Hey,
did you ask this? Did you ask that?
How are the pyramids built in Egypt? Do Atlantis exist?
I mean, you literally could spend a lifetime just asking questions and not knowing
whether, you know, what answer you'd get.
But the number of questions that physically people would want to ask is mind-boggling

(01:22:58):
in the millions, billions, maybe. I don't know.
But those are things that I'll do.
I think when it comes to the staticom and people wanting to ask questions,
again, you know that the responses you're getting through staticom are relevant in some kind of way.
So if there is a question that I wanted to ask consciousness,

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I would want to ask Staticom, you know, because I know that I'm going to get
the most authentic answer through that compared to a spirit box,
a phone app, you know, the Phasma box program on the computer.
And that's what set, to me, that's what set Staticom away or apart from everything
else, you know, because you know the responses you're getting are authentic.

(01:23:43):
Yeah, that's a great point.
But you know, one of the things that we notice is when we do group sessions
is that out of all the billions of questions I said that you would think people
would want answers to, it shows our true contact with other people.
Because when it comes down to it, the questions they ask is, how's Uncle Bob?

(01:24:05):
How's, you know, how's my mother? How's, it's that personal connection to other
people that always facilitates the questions being asked.
Not who built the pyramids, not, you know, it's how's mom doing?
How's, you know, it's personal connection to other people.
That's what the majority of questions are that are asked.

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Yep. Yeah. And we'll never put it into an app Thank you.
Claim we couldn't phone yeah what we do
this is true or make an app version of it too
it's a the app market unfortunately has a lot of negative stigma
and connotations to it people don't trust it and
now they're using ais in it too they can
tell you there was a study done in canada that we were

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informed of where it
can actually give you relevant and timed words based on
where you are and our barometer for
validity oftentimes is timing and relevance so now
if you you have something that can subvert timing and relevance you're
you're completely in in the midst of a guessing game
yeah anytime anyway because you

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didn't build the app and you don't know what they put in it yeah i
don't know what's in there right which is it's even worse but yeah he's right
that's it's the people don't trust the app they don't know what's in it yet
you'll see prominent paranormal people from shows walking around at locations
using using the apps they They will produce things sometimes and it's enough to get people to say,

(01:25:30):
hey, there's something to this. And then they've saturated the market.
Sometimes they don't even make sense because they'll say it doesn't have any
sound banks and it's just working off letters.
But then how does the voice come through if it's just letters?
It doesn't sound right.
I think one of the most, before we get to Damien,

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I think one of the most admirable thing about
this whole project is that you guys aren't focused on
mass producing it making a quick
buck nothing you're you're focused on the research
you're focused on those personal connections with people and i feel like that
is something that this world needs more of not only the paranormal community

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but just in general yeah yep yep right has it been tested only in in the states
staticom probably has i know
tony's been international well i can tell you this in in
a matter of weeks it's going to be tested out of the states because lordis and
i are going to the festival the unexplained in the uk to present
and lecture on satacom and analytic ideals philosophy so we are going to run

(01:26:37):
it there but and then tony i think it's going to france and tony may be going
to europe at some point yeah we're going to take it to the philippines okay
yeah and again i think time time and space,
and distances again it's a man-made construct
so there's no reason for us to believe that if it works here it wouldn't work

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in another country radios and ghost boxes have worked in other countries direct
radio voice when when that was done by pioneers they would get voices in the
language that they understood even if they were in a country that didn't broadcast in that language.
Do you think that when you take it over to the UK for that festival,

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it'll come back with like English accents?
I hope so. That would be fascinating. That would be cool.
Then it would say Rothman.
Just so you know, the inside joke here is Rothman comes through more than anything
we've ever heard doing Staticom or direct radio voice.
While you guys are over there, you should check out the My Haunted Hotel that

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the UK guys run over there. We're going to be with Danny Moss because he's one
of the other speakers and presenters for it.
Actually, if you want. At the end, please read in my mind, Ron.
Read in my mind. Equipped with Danny Moss? Yes.
He was in the States at My Haunted Manor. And as he was at the airport in Philadelphia
getting ready to fly back to the UK, I had done a session of Staticom here.

(01:28:02):
And I asked if I named all the people who were speaking at the festival.
I said, can I get the names of anybody? Just go ahead and repeat one.
And for whatever reason it mentioned danny moss and it mentioned england and
so daryl marcus could send it to him and he sent it to him and he's at the airport
he's like oh my god he was he was flipping out i think he's losing his mind
in the philadelphia airport.

(01:28:25):
As seasoned and incredibly talented as he is as an investigator i think it was
still for him he's one of those people that when hearing your own name kind
of takes you back a little bit,
yeah all right i'll share the screen and if tony has any other ones he wants
to can i do one before you want to do it before you can sure yeah so this one,

(01:28:47):
wait do you still have time because my thunder is his thunder his thunder is my thunder we're,
we'll share each clip and then we'll we'll wrap it up a little bit okay all
right all right so So this one was a question, even when doing spirit boxes,
I would ask, I always want to know for two reasons.

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One, I wanted to know how many there were. And two, I wanted to know that I had a connection.
So I would always ask how many spirits are with me right now? How many am I speaking?
And that's what I asked here. So here and watch his face, watch his face during
this video. It's fantastic.
Here it comes. Oh, I hope I shared audio. Let me know if you can't hear it.

(01:29:30):
Thank you.
How many spirits are with us right now? 300. 300?
Yeah. Did you say 200?

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300?
Not only did I ask the question,
question did they give me the answer with timing
and relevance that i asked but then i said
wait did you sit 300 you said three did

(01:30:14):
you say 300 well then you got a little sarcasm yeah
she passed go and then what is that the wrong answer
the guy who answered me is like what is that the wrong answer like you asked
me how many spirits were here i told you and then you questioned me so that
was but again and we've had these voices analyzed by audio engineers and the
response from them was we've never heard anything that literally replicates

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human speech with consonants,
vowels, diphthongs, emotion,
intensity, speeches drawn out during certain syllables and actions,
and Staticon is producing all of that.
And just quickly to answer Damien's question, yes, we have used it remotely.
We've done that. Yeah, we were at the house in between in Mississippi Mississippi

(01:31:00):
and Tony and Sheree were in Arizona and Chris and Audra were in North Carolina
and that same thing with writing on a paper we did it there also.
You asked too how many attendees I had
for TDSI sessions when I hadn't even spoken to you and you called me the next
day and said so you had 40 people there I'm like how did you know that oh yeah
Staticon and Staticon would communicate the two machines would communicate literally

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if I left a message for Ron he they'd get it when they ran.
That is, again, insane.
So if we can, and this will be the end of it, only because what we talked about
before, I'll show you the Danny Most thing. It's really short.
But then there's one more, if you can do it, the word consciousness is said,

(01:31:43):
and Tony is said, which is important to be brought both of those things up.
And it is one of the clearest things we've ever heard, especially the,
the referral to the word consciousness, but here's the Danny Moss one,
which was, which was fun. I love this one.
Music.

(01:32:06):
The name Danny Moss.
Did you say Danny Moss is in England?

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Yes in england okay that helped a lot crazy i'll get the other one wild set up real fast,
the voice of england yeah he
he said in response to that he goes i don't know if that's a good choice which
i thought was funny i remember one time i asked daryl who heads the project

(01:32:52):
at my haunted manor i asked him i'm like who do you think would be better daryl or danny or,
brett and he's like harry,
you should put it in like favorites or something i think it is actually somewhere,
here we see a very organized ron there it is is my screen still sharing no no

(01:33:18):
it's not okay there. Let me share it now.
So remember the odds of any name could possibly come through.
Yet again and again, the T word.
So

(01:33:49):
Again no there you go very clear
consciousness so clear and tony's i mean it's all clear why is consciousness
Tony's friend and not Ron's friend I know consciousness picking favorites now
yes how does that make you feel Ron,

(01:34:12):
makes me feel good I'm in the right circles,
but I just want to thank you guys so much so so much for coming out and hanging
out with us on our little bitty podcast guest.
It was great. It was so nice to meet you, Tony.

(01:34:32):
I've had the pleasure of hanging out with Ron and Loris. I'm sure our paths
will cross. I'm sure they will. Absolutely.
Anytime I can get a chance to see the Stat of Common Action,
that's where I want to be.
I'm mind-blown. Absolutely mind-blown with what you guys are doing.
We really do. We appreciate the opportunity to be here.

(01:34:56):
The support and the love you've always shown us and
wanting to listen to us chuckleheads like he says yeah and
listening to us chuckleheads and our philosophical shenanigans listen ron you
may speak a lot of big words sometimes but follow along pretty okay i think
yeah the biggest word in my vocabulary is rathman that's a pretty big word,

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Yeah, we appreciate it. We're trying to give something to the community.
I think most of the philosophy stuff is it allows us to experience what we experience
and not have to justify it.
And certainly not jump through hoops to, you know, science around incorrectly to defy it.

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We want to make people, we want to provoke thought, right? Right.
And try to help people have the tools to be able to explain what they think
is happening, because our thinking as a society is all, you know, messed up a little bit.
Yeah. You know, absolutely. And putting some right, some critical thought behind

(01:36:04):
things and not just accepting all these these axioms that get passed down to
the paranormal like mirrors or portals and you can't point them at each other.
And we have nothing to support any of these things, but yet these things still carry on.
If there's something to them, someone should try to draw that data out or find
some way to show that this is why I think that.

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But it's just held and for no reason anybody can explain.
So we're looking to try to be able to explain what we think is happening. Yeah.
And the other thing that Ron brought, which was huge to the table,
was making sure we called and labeled things the right way because we went through

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example after example where just terminology caused complete confusion in what
was trying to be explained.
So we made 100% sure that when we figured something out or labeled something
or that the terminology we used didn't conflict within itself or was something
else or was some other term we were using.

(01:37:08):
So that was another big part of that.
And what contributed to you. Which is difficult. Yeah, it's difficult to do
because if you think about it, we've all been trained to think that the outside
world is physical, it's standalone.
So we, even our, well, at least for me in the beginning, I would catch myself
and then I would have to step back until I understood what was going on.

(01:37:31):
But you catch us because we all have that, we have that problem.
We all think that, or most of us, a lot of us think that the outside world is
standalone and separate from us.
It's not that far-fetched to think that there's mentality outside of your own
head. My thoughts are objective to you and outside of yours.
We think that reality is based the same way. We see what we're able to see to

(01:37:54):
be able to navigate life and not get run over by a truck.
Terminology is really important because that's how people get confused.
It is important. It's a good point that Tony brought up. Yeah, absolutely.
Again, thank you guys so much. we appreciate you so much for having on and we
will have to do this again sometime,
yeah we would love it we're going to come back to the manor maybe sooner than

(01:38:16):
you think you just give me a date and I will be there I will be there whether
I'm invited or not I will roll up.
But again thank you you guys have a great rest of your night and have a great
week and good luck on furthering the Statacom.

(01:38:38):
Thank you. Thank you.
It was great. Thank you for having us. Great having you guys on.
Bye, guys. Bye-bye. See you guys later.
All right, my lovely friends and family and shenanigans that are here.
This is Haunts and Legends. Thank you so much for tuning in on your Tuesday

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night, a little later than usual.
Your love and support means so much to us, as always.
Stay tuned to next week at 7 p.m., back to our normally scheduled time.
Same place right where you found us tonight for
a brand new episode right do

(01:39:25):
you know what next week's episode's about next week
we are going to have a special guest on so stay
tuned for the announcement that should be coming tomorrow tomorrow maybe after
the podcast it really depends on me but we're gonna have a certain kind of creature
on the podcast who's to say who it could be.

(01:39:50):
Maybe I'll be here on the podcast eating my nuggies, living my best life.
I had a mac and cheese legend.
If you know, you know.
But once again, thank you everybody. Have a great night.
Love you all so much. And have a great rest of your week.

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Thanks for tuning in guys. Out.
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