November 10, 2025 • 7 mins
Highlights from our conversation with Dr. Tiffany Ryan who discusses her successes with psychedelic therapies after suffering severe mental and emotional trauma.
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(00:11):
point of that book is that we have to do the deep work.
It is not about taking the pill.
Like if you don't do the deep work, you are going to stay stuck in whatever it is that'sailing you.
And it's really hard to do the deep work.
And I remember when people would say that like I'm doing the work or like after mydivorce, I'm doing the work.
And I was like, what the hell does that mean?
(00:33):
What is doing the work?
I I don't understand what that means, but now I'm like, I kind of get it.
I think the work is really facing yourself, really facing your fears and your stories youtell yourself, and psychedelics help you to do that.
They help you, they build capacity for you to do that.
Because often we're not resourced enough to even face those things.
(00:56):
It's too much.
It's just too much.
We can't handle it.
And so that's one of the things I love.
So get real, be real, let's just be freaking real with each other people, have theconversations.
And then it's the deep work.
We cannot mask it with pills and 50 minute therapy sessions where we vent.
(01:20):
Like this, that is not the way.
I feel very strongly that is not the way.
And whether psychedelics are your entry point into the deeper work or not, the deeper workhas to happen.
And that's why I Soul Work.
Like it...
has to happen or you will continue to suffer.
People will be suffering.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be psychedelics.
can be psychotherapy and with the right doctor and you know, just it can be primal screentherapy.
(01:48):
You got to find what works for you, but you have to find what works for you.
You're never going to get to work through it.
Yeah.
That's a great, great message to put out there is I mean, maybe it's not this, but you gotto find something.
Cause if you don't, if you don't deal with it, it's just going to eat you alive.
Mm-hmm.
(02:10):
And that is what he used to take his life.
He overdosed on well butrin.
And like two weeks prior, he had missed a few days of taking it and was saying he wasfeeling really bad.
He was worried about himself.
You know, I don't know how much you know about antidepressants and whatnot, but many ofthem, if you
(02:31):
If you miss a couple days, especially when you're a youth um under 18, it impacts you insuch a way where it does increase suicidal tendencies.
so.
This is all new to me.
I've learned quite honestly, I've learned so much about it just from you sharing yourjourney since Noah left us.
I just, I've been, thank you, honestly.
(02:53):
Like I feel, I think that's why I've like really loved engaging with your posts on social.
You've been so open about the journey in such a really kind of a really beautiful way.
It really has brought us into kind of your story.
And I have looked at, I look at my kids differently now.
I, a hundred percent.
because of you.
(03:17):
But yeah, what MDMA did specifically is it would bring me back to a memory and it takesyou straight, like, I don't even know where I'm going to go.
And then it takes me straight to where I need to go.
And I'll revisit something and then I'll just have a huge somatic for hours somaticrelease about it.
So like my first session, I literally gave birth to my grief for Noah.
(03:40):
Like I was having contractions and birth like
birthing this grief and it was huge somatic release.
was horrible.
just, I would repeat things that had been kind of ingrained in my head.
Like I was so scared.
I didn't know where you went.
I'm so sorry.
Like, you know, whatever.
And then my whole body would just kind of relax and I would have this understanding of itall, this compassion for myself, for the situation, like a bigger picture.
(04:14):
the frog poison.
uh said he gave it to you in preparation for the MDMA journey.
I'm just wondering the actual effect and application of the actual poison that you'reusing.
So yeah, it was actually before my LSD journey that he wanted to use that because itreally, it's a purification.
(04:34):
It opens you up to be able to, yeah, just receive more.
And so it, you just, you burn tiny, tiny little holes in your skin and you apply the frogpoison to the holes and it makes you immediately be very sick and you throw up.
You drink a lot of.
(04:55):
You drink like two liters of water right before and you throw up you might I don't knoweach I've done it three times and each time has been different but there's a uh really
amazing like clarity that comes to you afterwards.
(05:15):
Honestly, I think that is like the number one lesson in life.
Like if I didn't surrender to my reality, I would be stuck in constant torture.
You have to surrender to what is or you are tortured.
key to a happy existence is accepting the universe as it chooses to be.
(05:38):
It's a Daoist thing.
That's very Dao.
Yeah, the thing that was the other thing with that second journey was like everything justis it's not good or bad.
It just is.
We create stories around everything, but it actually just isn't our perception is whatcreates reality.
All those labels are artificial.
Realness of things is what you find on these journeys you're taking.
(06:03):
I let go 15 years ago.
I've been in a flow state for 15 years.
I've pretty much just been doing what feels right for last 15 years.
Thanks for joining us on the healthcare uprising.
Make sure to hit those like and subscribe buttons before you go and take a moment to thinkof a friend and hit that share button.
(06:25):
You can find us on all the major audio platforms and we've got video on YouTube andPatreon, patreon.com slash healthcare uprising.
If you want to watch us in action.
You can also find us on social media on LinkedIn, Blue Sky, Instagram, and Facebook.
Just search Healthcare Uprising to find us.
And if you're a new company or creator with a cool new product for the healthcare space,or if you're someone with a personal healthcare journey and you'd like to share it with us
(06:49):
here at the Uprising, please email us at healthcareuprisingatgmail.com and we'll get backto you about coming on the show.
That's all for this dose of healthcare uprising.
Till the next time, keep looking for the good in the world, because sometimes it's whereyou least expect it.
(07:46):
This has been a Shut Up Production.
What up?
point of that book is that we have to do the deep work.
It is not about taking the pill.
Like if you don't do the deep work, you are going to stay stuck in whatever it is that'sailing you.
And it's really hard to do the deep work.
And I remember when people would say that like I'm doing the work or like after mydivorce, I'm doing the work.
And I was like, what the hell does that mean?
(00:33):
What is doing the work?
I I don't understand what that means, but now I'm like, I kind of get it.
I think the work is really facing yourself, really facing your fears and your stories youtell yourself, and psychedelics help you to do that.
They help you, they build capacity for you to do that.
Because often we're not resourced enough to even face those things.
(00:56):
It's too much.
It's just too much.
We can't handle it.
And so that's one of the things I love.
So get real, be real, let's just be freaking real with each other people, have theconversations.
And then it's the deep work.
We cannot mask it with pills and 50 minute therapy sessions where we vent.
(01:20):
Like this, that is not the way.
I feel very strongly that is not the way.
And whether psychedelics are your entry point into the deeper work or not, the deeper workhas to happen.
And that's why I Soul Work.
Like it...
has to happen or you will continue to suffer.
People will be suffering.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be psychedelics.
can be psychotherapy and with the right doctor and you know, just it can be primal screentherapy.
(01:48):
You got to find what works for you, but you have to find what works for you.
You're never going to get to work through it.
Yeah.
That's a great, great message to put out there is I mean, maybe it's not this, but you gotto find something.
Cause if you don't, if you don't deal with it, it's just going to eat you alive.
Mm-hmm.
(02:10):
And that is what he used to take his life.
He overdosed on well butrin.
And like two weeks prior, he had missed a few days of taking it and was saying he wasfeeling really bad.
He was worried about himself.
You know, I don't know how much you know about antidepressants and whatnot, but many ofthem, if you
(02:31):
If you miss a couple days, especially when you're a youth um under 18, it impacts you insuch a way where it does increase suicidal tendencies.
so.
This is all new to me.
I've learned quite honestly, I've learned so much about it just from you sharing yourjourney since Noah left us.
I just, I've been, thank you, honestly.
(02:53):
Like I feel, I think that's why I've like really loved engaging with your posts on social.
You've been so open about the journey in such a really kind of a really beautiful way.
It really has brought us into kind of your story.
And I have looked at, I look at my kids differently now.
I, a hundred percent.
because of you.
(03:17):
But yeah, what MDMA did specifically is it would bring me back to a memory and it takesyou straight, like, I don't even know where I'm going to go.
And then it takes me straight to where I need to go.
And I'll revisit something and then I'll just have a huge somatic for hours somaticrelease about it.
So like my first session, I literally gave birth to my grief for Noah.
(03:40):
Like I was having contractions and birth like
birthing this grief and it was huge somatic release.
was horrible.
just, I would repeat things that had been kind of ingrained in my head.
Like I was so scared.
I didn't know where you went.
I'm so sorry.
Like, you know, whatever.
And then my whole body would just kind of relax and I would have this understanding of itall, this compassion for myself, for the situation, like a bigger picture.
(04:14):
the frog poison.
uh said he gave it to you in preparation for the MDMA journey.
I'm just wondering the actual effect and application of the actual poison that you'reusing.
So yeah, it was actually before my LSD journey that he wanted to use that because itreally, it's a purification.
(04:34):
It opens you up to be able to, yeah, just receive more.
And so it, you just, you burn tiny, tiny little holes in your skin and you apply the frogpoison to the holes and it makes you immediately be very sick and you throw up.
You drink a lot of.
(04:55):
You drink like two liters of water right before and you throw up you might I don't knoweach I've done it three times and each time has been different but there's a uh really
amazing like clarity that comes to you afterwards.
(05:15):
Honestly, I think that is like the number one lesson in life.
Like if I didn't surrender to my reality, I would be stuck in constant torture.
You have to surrender to what is or you are tortured.
key to a happy existence is accepting the universe as it chooses to be.
(05:38):
It's a Daoist thing.
That's very Dao.
Yeah, the thing that was the other thing with that second journey was like everything justis it's not good or bad.
It just is.
We create stories around everything, but it actually just isn't our perception is whatcreates reality.
All those labels are artificial.
Realness of things is what you find on these journeys you're taking.
(06:03):
I let go 15 years ago.
I've been in a flow state for 15 years.
I've pretty much just been doing what feels right for last 15 years.
Thanks for joining us on the healthcare uprising.
Make sure to hit those like and subscribe buttons before you go and take a moment to thinkof a friend and hit that share button.
(06:25):
You can find us on all the major audio platforms and we've got video on YouTube andPatreon, patreon.com slash healthcare uprising.
If you want to watch us in action.
You can also find us on social media on LinkedIn, Blue Sky, Instagram, and Facebook.
Just search Healthcare Uprising to find us.
And if you're a new company or creator with a cool new product for the healthcare space,or if you're someone with a personal healthcare journey and you'd like to share it with us
(06:49):
here at the Uprising, please email us at healthcareuprisingatgmail.com and we'll get backto you about coming on the show.
That's all for this dose of healthcare uprising.
Till the next time, keep looking for the good in the world, because sometimes it's whereyou least expect it.
(07:46):
This has been a Shut Up Production.
What up?
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