June 16, 2025 • 6 mins
Highlights from our conversation with Mr. Michael Perry, CRNA & APRN, pain specialist.
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(00:11):
What have you seen change?
Like were the problems that people have today, did they exist back in the early eighties?
Did they kind of exist on a smaller level, but are more now like I think about migraines,right?
Super common lower back pain because of like we sit, you know, so much and work at desks.
I'm curious to see what kind of changes you've seen in actual conditions over the last,what almost 50 years.
(00:37):
Thinking about that don't of the
of a couple conditions back then as there is today.
And I say that with reservation, think a lot today with environment, inflammation, foods,et cetera, that contribute to a lot of pain.
necessarily exist back then.
(01:02):
And over the years, anesthesia and a lot of specials, whether it's rehab meds, all of thiscontributed over the last 20 years, trying to develop and find newer techniques to help
people in chronic pain.
And we've come a long way in that part, but then there's been some counter stuff.
For the first 20 years, like in the 90s, the early 2000s, the literature was, if youdidn't give an opiate, you lost your license.
(01:27):
that
You didn't?
If you didn't, you were in trouble because everyone was to be on.
I had stacks of.
Last 20 years everything says no, it's just contra.
It's the op.
Well, we can't because this and this is.
Why is it good for 20 years and now it isn't for 20 years?
(01:53):
And now you have whatever you want to call it, bands, tissues, heat.
I don't care what it is, but it's non-viable stuff because there's no blood flow to it.
Nerves cannot fire.
through this, that's your pain.
So, and with the muscles, a lot of times, if you see people with atrophy, meaning you gotsomething that's shriveled up, science, physiology will say, you know, it's...
(02:15):
reverse.
You use these kind of techniques.
Flow in.
It's like turning on faucets.
Once you get blood flow and they fill those muscles up and.
separation so the nerves, they get the hydration, they get the electrolyte.
they can now start firing again and it's like not only did you put gas in the tank but nowyou can turn the starter on and that's how
(02:37):
this stuff works.
For example,
a young guy came in today, his elbow, his whole arm was He goes, by the way, myorthopedist, C5, C6 is causing all these pains.
Well, he didn't come in with that.
He didn't even mention it.
(02:58):
But as soon as his arm got done, his face lit up and he says, can you fix this up here?
Can you fix me here and here?
I got this.
And it's always more than one thing.
yeah, I'm saying that even like knees and stuff like that.
What I do is that I, um, one out of two, 50 % of all knees or later, statistically kneepain of some sort.
(03:24):
And my, they all do an excellent job.
If there's no problem with what they did with.
surgery.
It's the structures that support around
knee where all the inflammation is left.
but with shingles when those vessels pop up.
The key is, is you take a small gauge needle again, like a 25 and the solution I wastalking about is saline, lidocaine and small doses of ferric acid.
(03:54):
So it's nanoparticles.
You take that towards the fascia and you inject under these vesicles.
I can promise within 48 to 72 hours, if you catch them in that two weeks,
They will shrivel up, dry up and shrink within two weeks.
You'll have no idea that they ever had a blister.
(04:15):
Another caveat.
that.
They need to be on the anti-bio...
from their primaries, whether it's an MP, a PA or their MDs or DOs, found theirmedications, but help resolve this because
What happens in shingles
Blifters what they do that's to the dermis and those super curves
(04:42):
an honor and privilege to do this is because if you can reach maybe millions of people'swith this, I want to know.
is people in chronic pain, their entire world, life.
Nominally, ah psychologically, spiritually, every it's like, you know, when you go todeath, chronic pain is the same thing.
(05:06):
They go through all the same phases, except they're not dead.
The other thing is, is that these chronic pain patients
They know that if they talk too much
that nobody wants to be around him because they don't want to hear it.
So the depression becomes even so because they have to go inward to keep it to
and then it's like
What am I here to live for?
And the message I want to give them is that there is hope out there for you.
(05:28):
Yeah, that's a great note to end on.
There's hope.
Yeah, great.
Awesome.
Okay.
I think we're good.
Michael, thank you so much.
you
(06:31):
This has been a Shut Up Production.
Shut up!
What have you seen change?
Like were the problems that people have today, did they exist back in the early eighties?
Did they kind of exist on a smaller level, but are more now like I think about migraines,right?
Super common lower back pain because of like we sit, you know, so much and work at desks.
I'm curious to see what kind of changes you've seen in actual conditions over the last,what almost 50 years.
(00:37):
Thinking about that don't of the
of a couple conditions back then as there is today.
And I say that with reservation, think a lot today with environment, inflammation, foods,et cetera, that contribute to a lot of pain.
necessarily exist back then.
(01:02):
And over the years, anesthesia and a lot of specials, whether it's rehab meds, all of thiscontributed over the last 20 years, trying to develop and find newer techniques to help
people in chronic pain.
And we've come a long way in that part, but then there's been some counter stuff.
For the first 20 years, like in the 90s, the early 2000s, the literature was, if youdidn't give an opiate, you lost your license.
(01:27):
that
You didn't?
If you didn't, you were in trouble because everyone was to be on.
I had stacks of.
Last 20 years everything says no, it's just contra.
It's the op.
Well, we can't because this and this is.
Why is it good for 20 years and now it isn't for 20 years?
(01:53):
And now you have whatever you want to call it, bands, tissues, heat.
I don't care what it is, but it's non-viable stuff because there's no blood flow to it.
Nerves cannot fire.
through this, that's your pain.
So, and with the muscles, a lot of times, if you see people with atrophy, meaning you gotsomething that's shriveled up, science, physiology will say, you know, it's...
(02:15):
reverse.
You use these kind of techniques.
Flow in.
It's like turning on faucets.
Once you get blood flow and they fill those muscles up and.
separation so the nerves, they get the hydration, they get the electrolyte.
they can now start firing again and it's like not only did you put gas in the tank but nowyou can turn the starter on and that's how
(02:37):
this stuff works.
For example,
a young guy came in today, his elbow, his whole arm was He goes, by the way, myorthopedist, C5, C6 is causing all these pains.
Well, he didn't come in with that.
He didn't even mention it.
(02:58):
But as soon as his arm got done, his face lit up and he says, can you fix this up here?
Can you fix me here and here?
I got this.
And it's always more than one thing.
yeah, I'm saying that even like knees and stuff like that.
What I do is that I, um, one out of two, 50 % of all knees or later, statistically kneepain of some sort.
(03:24):
And my, they all do an excellent job.
If there's no problem with what they did with.
surgery.
It's the structures that support around
knee where all the inflammation is left.
but with shingles when those vessels pop up.
The key is, is you take a small gauge needle again, like a 25 and the solution I wastalking about is saline, lidocaine and small doses of ferric acid.
(03:54):
So it's nanoparticles.
You take that towards the fascia and you inject under these vesicles.
I can promise within 48 to 72 hours, if you catch them in that two weeks,
They will shrivel up, dry up and shrink within two weeks.
You'll have no idea that they ever had a blister.
(04:15):
Another caveat.
that.
They need to be on the anti-bio...
from their primaries, whether it's an MP, a PA or their MDs or DOs, found theirmedications, but help resolve this because
What happens in shingles
Blifters what they do that's to the dermis and those super curves
(04:42):
an honor and privilege to do this is because if you can reach maybe millions of people'swith this, I want to know.
is people in chronic pain, their entire world, life.
Nominally, ah psychologically, spiritually, every it's like, you know, when you go todeath, chronic pain is the same thing.
(05:06):
They go through all the same phases, except they're not dead.
The other thing is, is that these chronic pain patients
They know that if they talk too much
that nobody wants to be around him because they don't want to hear it.
So the depression becomes even so because they have to go inward to keep it to
and then it's like
What am I here to live for?
And the message I want to give them is that there is hope out there for you.
(05:28):
Yeah, that's a great note to end on.
There's hope.
Yeah, great.
Awesome.
Okay.
I think we're good.
Michael, thank you so much.
you
(06:31):
This has been a Shut Up Production.
Shut up!
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