Ep.25 Karen Read, John O'Keefe, Cover Ups, and Verbs?

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Music.

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Let me uh crack open this this athletic
upside down golden fucking piece
of shit non-alcoholic beer real quick could you go i stopped and grabbed myself
a tall boy on the way home for celebration after yeah the gig i got one waiting
on me nice yeah tall boy choice oh i can't remember oh i I think I think I went with like a ranger.

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No. Did I get a ranger IPA?
Oh, no. It was a bear hug. It's a bear hug. Again, it's like it's another IPA, but it's whatever.
It's a strong shit. It's it's stronger. Dude, the ones the tall boys that they
have are like nine point five.
Oh, nine point nine. This one. I'm like, dude, it's still Thursday.
I'm going to work in the morning.

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Six point five. Six point five is good.
So I'm trying to keep it tame. Don't eat it. let myself off the leash just yet
yeah 9.9 tall boy that's like a six-pack.
You know what i'm saying that's like a six-pack because
you gotta think that's equivalent like two and a half beers normally they're
like five percent you know so yeah you you're

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you're hitting the six-pack right there yeah which whatever i
mean i it could be worse i used to fucking go grab
like three of those tall boys like the the golden monkey ones
oh yeah yeah yeah those are good and then i'd fucking
take my truck out to some abandoned parking lot and
just haul ass on my skateboard just slamming those beers yeah it's

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pretty safe yeah but it's fun going like 40
miles an hour like just care about safety here nah
exactly i was like you know what i work at the hospital they gotta
take care of me right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah by myself
like nobody would be able to find me i'm just out there just hello
hospital you're you're

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like the next day like waiting to record you're like hey man where we're
yet set the email this guy dude this guy so inconsistent unbelievable hey man
dead or he better be dead oh well it's an upside and downside outside the upside
is he was not lying which is the first he did not ditch me on purpose yes.

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He better be dead of course the neurotic
side of me is like he fucking killed himself just so he didn't have to hang
out what an asshole why can i never just said he didn't want to do it today
exactly yeah this is i just am i that off-putting i just jesus is that what
neurotic means i am I'm really confused about that word. No,

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no, no. I wouldn't say so.
I mean, I'm neurotic about things.
Okay, okay. Neurotic about my, you know...
Like status amongst other people i guess you know like i always think like neurotic
is like almost obsess over thinking yes yes yes yes yes yeah okay all right

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you're my go-to to make sure i got shit right like you're my if i well you know
it worked out just now didn't it so maybe.
You know you say oof but i fucking said something you're like that's correct
and if it's not we already think it is so fuck everybody else right exactly
we're gonna recontextualize that
word and just start using it ourselves that's right i mean you can make up words

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nowadays like riz like you know so who fucking cares so if you can make up words
why can't you just you know,
refurbish words you know like give them new meaning you
know like gently used there was a there was
a calvin and hobbes comic i love calvin hobbes i'm a
huge fan my grandfather loved them and so
like i got all his like old collections and then

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crystal got me like all of them like his like complete
works and just one strip i actually thought
about it just yesterday it was so weird like calvin saying
how like yeah you can you can verb any word
like yeah you turn any word
into a verb you just verb it and like even verbing something like
you're turning verb into a verb so yeah yeah yeah

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yeah you can you can verb anything i can't remember it was like
a funny example that they use but i was like that's true you can you can't have
any word it's kind of good idea i mean yeah you table that hoe you know literally
i'm looking around i'm like what can i verb it's like cup like oh i cut the
tits you know like oh i cut i cut the balls you know like shit you're right
dude oh man beer can that bitch.

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Yours is definitely derogatory towards women,
you gotta put it in a song man you gotta say it with some gusto as long as you
rap about it it's fine you're good man like then they'll just they'll just dance
to it they don't give a fuck,
what and then and then you

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say it and then it's all tiktok and that's it superman that
ho see you love that song i remember i remember when that song came out bitches
were dancing to it oh yeah yeah yeah and i'm like y'all know he's talking about
just like jumping on your ass
yeah but this song is gangster don't be disrespectful don't disrespect me.

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God just love the song there you go god that was a good accent what was that
it's it's a girl dude it's a girl that's getting disrespected it's just a girl,
we're like where is she from she's she don't know where she's from she's from
brooklyn ah okay that's i knew see i was thinking like uh what's her name fran
dresser oh okay yeah yeah yeah i was thinking who's the uh hispanic girl that

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like oh Oh, Rosie Perez. Oh, my God, yes. It's like a more Rosie Perez.
Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah. White Man Can't Jump. Fucking great, dude.
She was awesome in that movie. Jeopardy. Yeah. She's Jeopardy.
Oh, my God. This is the first time we brought up another movie besides Gump. Of course.
But it was, I mean, White Man Can't Jump is a classic, dude.
It is. That was Wesley Snipes before all the tax problems, you know?

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Yeah, he's going back. And then he was in, what was that movie where they're
trying to catch him? It's like Marshalls, U.S.
Marshalls. Yes. That's when he had the tax problems, and that's why they were
coming after him. Little did Wesley know that that was actually, that was a true case.
He was in the middle of. Yeah.
Yeah, they filmed it, but for real, they brought in Harrison Ford just to like
make it look real, but it was, they were really after his ass.

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That's why the acting was so good, you know? He was like, why are these handcuffs
real? That looks like real sweat, Wesley.
Why is this cop really hitting me?
Jesus and that's why he had to do like blade you know seven eight nine ten pay that tax bill,
blade was cool though i was down to watch it i like

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the first one the first one that's how they always are man like the
first one's good and then he's like i gotta pay this bill
let's make five more i didn't like the second one i didn't
like the monster in it like the open mouth weird things
that just like their heads like split open and so i didn't like
those things they were weird dude so i just
didn't enjoy that visual the premise

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was okay but i didn't like it it was like turning vampires into
like worse vampires yeah like one
little extra with it like they're fucking monster vampires it's
like why couldn't they just be like still vampires bro like that's it'll look
like alien and predator kind of shit really it did yeah i just didn't enjoy
it i was like this is off-putting silly this is silly i mean they were terrifying

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but yes yeah that was half of it you Yeah, because like, bro,
you're not fighting them no more.
Like once they do that, like I'm OK, bye. Like I'm not. I'm done. Just yeah.
I'm going to get on my skateboard and go. And then there's the just the ever
present feeling that like the people in the crew, they're going to get turned
at some point and some of them do.
And you got to kill them. You got to put them down. I'm like,

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this is not good. I'd rather you just like die in a fight than be turned into
like a fucking freak vampire.
I don't like that. Yeah, not a fan. man. No, no.
So do you, do you have your, I know you said you're going to,
you're going to dive in on the mouthwash today. Do you have an idea?
I do. Yeah. Unless you've got something. Do you want to know?

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No, no, no, no, no. I, do you want to give the people a little sample? Give them just the tip.
Oh, we're going to, we're going to talk about it right now. I like to change it up. No, no, no, no.
Just, just the tip. Like you're just going to tell them what it's going to be so that,
they might want to stick around for it. They might not. I don't know.
That's a really good idea. Are we already recording?
Are we talking about the show? Because we haven't even talked about Hear No

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Evil yet. We don't even know. Oh, we have not. We've gone.
Okay. You're right. We've just been chatting. We're just bullshitting about
Wesley Snipes. You might think this is a Wesley Snipes fucking podcast.
I mean, mostly is. At some point, I'm sure we will be covering him. That's true.
Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. So let's introduce it. So this is the show.
This is Hear No Evil, where every episode you finish, You really need to take

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a hard look in the mirror and say, what am I doing with my life?
I'm Chris, and I've got Brad with me, as always.
As always. As fucking always. Although this time, it is a little new.
I'm not wearing any underwear. This is a new... Yes.
That's not new. I'm not trying to be silly, like, oh, that's a funny underwear. I'm just not.

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I'm wearing shorts, but I didn't want to walk to the laundry room because my mother-in-law
in town and i got nieces and nephews walking around i didn't want to go like
just towel i don't want to be that weird old towel guy just walking through
like you don't want to do that that's weird so i just found a pair of shorts
and i put them on because i'm all out of undies up here.
Going commando i am unfurnished basement my friend it is commando that hoe see

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you're right verb it you can you just verb it you verb it yep you're here i
say everything that hoe just Just every, every verb, just that.
Oh, and here's the thing being equal opportunity people.
And you know, I don't know if we're going to say woke, but at least understanding
of our demographics, anybody can be a hoe.

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We're not talking about women. It could be men. It could be men.
Women children uh dogs anybody could be not children.
Well here's the thing though because when i said ho i meant
like h o with the line e i
meant like a fan of the show like oh i hear no evil ho yeah i'm sorry yeah i

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don't mean a prostitute no no no no no no no or a street walker whatever you
want to call them a lady of the night oh that's kind of sexy how much bitch stop down the podcast.
So what's your mouthwash the mouthwash all right we're just
going to give you a little here's the here's the premise you and

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i have an opportunity for a potential new job
that i i came across okay they're
hiring and we have a particular skill set
and i just i think i think it's a
pretty interesting job now the it's i'm
gonna i'm gonna be asking for a lot of your feedback on this this is uh
okay it's it's we're not actually going to

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get the job it's over it's it's overseas but
i think we'd be perfect for it so maybe we
could maybe we could get it i don't know it's it's not a long term
it'd just be a contract thing either you know so we
can we can dive in i'm down i'm trying to get
lit yeah you know i'm down to clown whatever cocaine jobs whatever
you know i'm saying superman i'm down

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for whatever just down the clown man cocaine or a job yeah yeah just wake up
whatever you wake up in the morning like what's it gonna be today is it cocaine
or a job slip a coin like put that folders on put the folders on just look out
the window like what's gonna be today chris.

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Heads cocaine tails go to work of course the coin only has heads that's right
bring out my trusty coin i call my cocaine coin and i don't know why,
it's my best friend like dude just
i'm gonna start carrying around a coin like that with like just double heads

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and just you know anytime somebody says like hey man like should
we leave or go i'm like look heads we stay tails we go just start flipping that
motherfucker right like all the time just anytime i want the shit to go my way
let's bring out the trusty quarter chris you are breaking the laws of probability
with that coin sir what is going on you haven't left your house in six months give me the coin.

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Every first day yeah never mind yeah so
let's get into it man let's get it so i know you know if you're
listening to this show you've probably heard about the karen retrial you already
kind of know the gist of what's going on and so we're just going to kind of
lay out the timeline everything that happened and then give our very opinionated
you know take on it because that's what i'm good at yeah of course that's where

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i shine and i'm 1000 on one side of this like Like there's,
you know, there's both sides,
you know, they, they made a case for it and I'm just going to go ahead and skip to this part.
Like if you've, unless you live under a rock, like, you know,
that it's been a mistrial. Okay.
The, the case, the trial just ended. It was eight weeks and it was a mistrial
saying they didn't have enough evidence. The jury was kind of split decision.

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And right now, currently the prosecution is trying to find a way to go after
her again for a different charge. They're not letting it go.
Okay so we're going to give you the layouts we're
going to we're going to talk about what happened talk about what happened that night and
following and then just let everybody you know make their own decision on it
and then really try to sway them to think the way i do oh i like that that's

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kind of what you do all the time though right that's that's right no chris i
don't want to go home with you uh your your honor i'd like to present the coin exhibit.
Heads you're going home the judge is like i'll allow it,

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oh he's listed,
so okay so the night that this is all in question right so karen reed karen
yeah karen reed this is january 8th 2022 and karen reed and her boyfriend john o'keith,
are out they're partying so where

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they're at in canton on this night
was supposed to be a fuck ton of snow like you know everybody
said like storms coming in they're going to be a shit ton of snow so
all the local right yeah you
say massachusetts you already said did you say Massachusetts and I'm no I said Canton I
know but like earlier did you say I mean just in
case anybody doesn't know we're talking about Canton Massachusetts yeah yeah

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yeah my hometown yeah yeah we have a we have an expert here guys just so y'all
know I don't want I don't want to just skip over that part we have a fucking
expert there that night you'll be able to tell by his pronouncing of ca,
you know, that was very good. Oh, you're a liar.

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It's worse than my German accent. Okay. That's, that's tough. It's pretty bad.
Let's not get lost in this. We're going to talk about this, but at the end of
this, 46-year-old John O'Keefe, this guy lost his life.
I don't want to just gloss over that because we were going to get really heavy
on the trial and on the assholes and then Karen. Aaron.

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And regardless of what happened, a 46-year-old man lost his life.
And from all accounts, this guy was fucking amazing, right? Of course.
He was a cop for 16 years. He moved to Canton and was a five-year resident there as a police officer.
And the reason he moved to Canton was to raise his sister's kids because she

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was very sick at the time.
And she ended up passing in a way with like a brain tumor and so john just adopted
the kids as his own and raised them,
this this guy's already he's a
hero three times over no shit right like oh i'm gonna be a cop oh i'm gonna
fucking help my sister with her kid oh i'm gonna gonna raise them like i mean

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i you know i don't care what other problems he had like that right there you're
already really selfless okay unless you're a shithead cop like some of these
guys but oof yeah fuck these guys he's fired up This guy's coming in hot and coming in hot.
So 43 year old Karen, Karen Reed, they had been dating for a couple of years.

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She was in a equity analyst and she kind of worked as an adjunct professor.
And they were serious enough that she owned a house in that area,
but she ended up renting out her house and she moved in with, with John.
Okay. So just kind of setting up their relationship. relationship now
on that night everybody in canton you know knew about the fucking snow coming

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they're supposed to get like six inches not enough just kidding that's uh that's
way above average we're halfway there.
Freaking bon jovi and that shit dude that's right that's right oh nice Nice.

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I was just going to agree with it. I didn't know it was a song.
I was like, is that a move too? Like, is that the Superman? It's the Bon Jovi. It's the Bon Jovi.
Hey girl, I'm about to give you the Bon Jovi. She's like, I don't know what
that means. Like, I don't either. I give you one inch and then you get the second.
There you go. That's the Bon Jovi. That's the Bon Jovi. Why?
Cool. Yeah. You get the first half, then the second half.

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I've been giving the Bon Jovi forever. All right. So. Didn't even know it.
Look at you. Didn't even know it.
But so at 11 o'clock, they go to this bar. It's called the Waterfall Bar and Grill.
Now, since you're the expert here, if I say anything that you know of,
you can just go ahead and ring in and be like, yeah, been there. Sucks. Whatever.
I will. I definitely will. Now, while I lived up there and Canton was not far away.

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I did not. It's, you know, I would drive through it. I'd drive through the town.
I probably didn't go there for much of anything.
It's not like a place that you go for anything as far as a shit.
Dude, as soon as I, I, no, I wouldn't say it's a shit town. That's what you said.
Okay. I did. I did. Fuck you. Can't get better.
It's weird. I, I searched it on Apple maps or whatever.

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It shows the center of town. And one of the highlighted like options is waterfall, Barton grill.
No shit. Yeah. Yeah. So apparently there's not a lot.
They've got like a, you know, like a main, a lot of New England towns.
I don't want to, I don't want to say like, you don't cross like,
like town lines or anything like that. That's not like anything.

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That's, that's not, I don't even want to say it because people are gonna be
like, you're, you're an idiot.
Like, of course we, like, I'm not saying that, but people are going to say we're idiots anyway.
I know, but like you could, there's a lot of times like you,
you kind of have like your area.
Yeah. yeah well there's like maybe a town like one two three
you know kind of adjacent towns and most of
the time you just kind of like stick around there you know there's highways but you

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get to certain certain places with just not a lot of highways around like it's
not it's not a place that's built up along a long strictly along highways like
particularly like down here i feel like in in south carolina it's like route
26 like everything's like right off route 26 and you can get to highways pretty
easily there maybe not necessarily so you know like canton probably.
Had like a lot of like townie just like any other town

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up there you got a lot of townies and they're gonna go to the same bar all
the fucking probably like waterfall bar grill you're probably gonna
go there you're gonna go watch the socks you go watch the pats and you
go catch the broins and then you're gonna get fucked up you're
gonna grab an uber and then you're gonna go home and fucking pass out
and have to like smacking your kids around so yeah yeah
yeah maybe kill somebody okay so i'm i'm actually
glad you said that that you said it's like kind of like a bunch of

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townies that are like probably pretty close knit like
kind of one of the neighborhoods that or towns where everybody knows everybody
would you say like i think it's too big for that but
you know if you frequent the same i mean
a lot of people just frequent the same bars you know that's just there's a
thing called keno do you know what keno is yeah okay
so it's not in every state but like that you

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get the people that just saddle up at the same bar and they play
keno every fucking night and that's yeah so you will there's
a lot of places that that's just what it what it's like well i'll
tell you this i'll say this can compared to
charleston how big oh charleston's like enormous okay
well then i'm gonna say this because i know for a
fact you know you take somerville right somerville no charleston all that shit

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like even something like downtown like if i fucking go anywhere like i'm gonna
know a bunch of fucking people somewhere right so if it's even half the size
and you know there's a large group of people that already know each other then
it's It's probably like word spreads pretty quick. Oh, sure.
Yeah. There's a lot of overlap. I'm just saying if you, if you don't frequently
go out, you're not going to run into that.
But if you're going out kind of person, yeah, I'm sure you're going to bump

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into the same people. Okay.
Well, that actually happens. So at 11 o'clock, they go into the infamous,
you know, Waterfall Bar and Grill.
And, you know, they immediately see some of John's associates,
right? And people that he knows.
So some of the people you see, he sees Chris Albert, which is actually a neighbor.
I'm not going to like get hung up on this, whether he was like next door neighbor

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or like a couple houses down.
He was a fucking neighbor. He like lived near him. And I say that because some
people like fucking harped on this for like an hour. And I'm like, who fucking cares?
And he actually was a, like a government
official. He, I think was a town selector or something like that.
I can't, I don't remember which one it was, but he did work. He worked for the city.

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He also saw Brian Albert, who was a Boston cop.
Are they, I'm assuming they're related then?
Chris and Brian. Okay. Yeah. There you go.
Jennifer McCabe was Brian's sister-in-law. So they see them all there and they
kind of wave them over. Hey, what's up?
You know, again, like, like you just said, like if you're at the same bars,
you're probably gonna know the same people right now they're there they're having

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a good time they're getting fucked up another guy was also there brian higgins
now later on we're going to find out that brian and karen had been kind of texting
each other for a while yeah behind john's back,
and was it like smoochy kind of kind of yeah it's kind of flirty yeah kind of flirty.

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And eggplant emojis got a lot of eggplants so i don't know this guy was probably
never mind i don't think he was sending eggplants i mean he looked like he was
he was hungry but so they were kind of flirty behind the back right they were
doing the thing like and from all accounts like,
brian you know his testimony was more like yeah she was saying things and kind

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of flirting and i didn't really know what she was doing like was she trying
to like get me caught up in the middle or something? Was she trying to test me?
I think he was wanting to flirt back, but he was kind of like,
I don't know what to do here.
Am I just getting caught up? Is she going to show him?
So he was testing the waters a little bit, but it was inappropriate regardless. Sure.
And then even when they walked into this bar, you'll later find out that he

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text Karen while they were at the same bar.
I was like, well, question mark, question mark. So you can read into that what you want.
I think he was trying to feel her out and see, I thought me and you
were going to start doing something like what the fuck uh-huh okay like
yeah so but they're anyway they're at the bar they're drinking they're having
a good time and you know it's about time to close down well brian brian albert

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says you know he's going to have an after party and they all kind of decide
all right let's go to brian's house for this after party now there's conflicting,
statements here and reports i've seen where some people say karen and fucking
john were like like welcome, wholeheartedly open arms, come over.
Some others are saying that it was kind of like a yeah we're gonna

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have an after party but you're not really like cordially invited but
i guess since you overheard it like you can show up if you want like
kind of one of those things how do you do that yeah i
don't know that's weird that that to me doesn't sound right like
how do you like oops i guess you can come like
who would say that yeah can you imagine saying that like oh
shit they overheard like we're not

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gonna be having a lot of fun you know there's gonna be food but it's
all old and we're drinking beers but they've been opened and
also they're not beers they're water so if
you want to come yeah if you want to it's going to be
fun yeah we're going to be watching old wesley snipes
movies all night u.s marshals
on repeats come on over okay it's just

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yeah i don't know that doesn't track with me
i guess i mean you could say that to yourself you know
you could say like i didn't want them to come but like
how do you how do you like put that like like tell
me i would if i was listening to this like testimony i'd be
like you tell me how you said that say exactly in
a way that like shows that you're not enthusiastic but you're still inviting

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them i don't know right and some accounts say like it was like when so when
they got in the car when because uh karen and john jumped in the car to go over
there and like john was going to gps it she was driving because she wanted to
go home. She was done for the night. She was like, I'm fucking tired.
Like, you know, I want to go to bed. I don't want to be out in the snow.
But if you want to go, I'll drop you off. And some of the counselors were saying

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like, she kind of said, hey, I don't even think we were really invited.
I think they were saying like making their plans and we just happened to be like.
There yeah so she might have felt uncomfortable with
it now one of the reasons she might have felt uncomfortable this
is me being theorizing was because that guy she was
flirting with was going to be there too yeah oh yeah a hundred
percent yeah she could be making it up she's like ah john they weren't inviting

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us and he's like no no they were and she's like well you know i mean i don't
really want to show up and it'd be awkward so who knows on
that one right she just wasn't ready for a threesome that night you know
not that night and hadn't cleaned
up downstairs stairs you know yeah which i mean come on be
better prepared you know you know your side piece is going to be there like wash
your stuff yeah exactly you might be having to do a

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golden gate later on and you just need to be prepared just bring your
diaphragm so they they
take their drinks and they head and they get in the car and they go over
there and so yes they were drinking and driving and open
container but they're cops so they felt like they could do whatever you want now
they leave the bar around midnight and
they pull up and now we're going to go to what Karen

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says happened because Karen says when they pull up she waits
in the driveway and waits until she sees him
go inside because she's basically saying I wasn't sure
if he was going to stay if he you know I wanted him to make sure he had a ride
like I just didn't know whether I should just pull off and leave or give him
a couple minutes and see if he wants to you know ah fuck it it doesn't really

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look like they're partying like kind of yeah I think she was still doubting
whether they were actually having an after party and wanted him there right okay yep Yep, that's it.
So then she leaves. And at 4 a.m. the next day, she wakes up.
The snow is just piled up.
John's not home. And she's kind of like, what the fuck? You know,
because she's thinking he just stayed over. He's not even going to,

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you know, didn't call her or anything like that.
So she calls Jennifer McCabe. And I said she was there. That's Brian's like sister-in-law. Yep.
Jennifer says, you know, I have no idea where he's at.
So karen starts to freak out and she's like gets her
to help like can we go look for him like i don't know if he's you
know what what happened like why is he not around so she gets

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her and she also gets a friend of john's named carrie and they all go looking
for john right okay this is like this is like 5 5 30 a.m like she's just freaking
out okay what what do they think what like do they say what what that's going
to look like are you just like driving the streets maybe Maybe he tried walking home.
Is that like, what's the thought or just drive into this house where the party was?

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Oh, I love that you said that because they drive around for a while.
Which I had the same thought you did, right? Because they drive around for a
little bit looking around before they go to Brian's.
But I think in her defense, if she had Jennifer with her and she's like,

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well, Jennifer was at the party, so he's obviously not there anymore, right?
She probably thought maybe he got drunk. Does Jennifer live at that house?
No, she was just at the party. Okay, well, no, then she could have left before he did like that.
That well true true but i think she thought hey she
would say that like that's what i'm saying like i
think she said like when jennifer said hey i don't know where he's at she's like fuck he

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must have just left and didn't tell me and like where the
fuck's he at you know who you know let's just go
find him right or she just could have been freaking out not really thinking straight they
do eventually go to the house but before
they get there so jennifer later will say that during the
car ride that karen was kind of freaking out and that she
says like she was still a little drunk because they've been drinking pretty

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heavy the night before okay and i think they
drove home too oh yeah absolutely that's just you
know that drunk that you're four hours later you
still yeah i know yeah that's why
when you said uber i was like yeah uber shut up uber
shut up yeah exactly not especially
this night that's a t-shirt shut up but the lettering is all in like jailhouse

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stripes you know that's behind some bars yes getting getting sodomized anyway oh my god,
it's like we're just we're having a good time we're having a good time and then
you go in like verb you go in verbal like i don't know where it is jesus okay

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put that on a shirt man come on of bread what.
It's getting you can't wear a shirt does that well not on the front you put
it on the back oh that's right it makes more sense.
It's just a print of hands on hips god damn I'm done I'm done I'm sorry I shouldn't say that.

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And the front just has tears oh my
god why does it have to be non-consensual you
can have consensual side of me dude i don't think you are in jail though i mean
you might be oh no if it's in jail obviously not no oh god i didn't know i didn't
know where we're going with this this shirt is all over the board right now
i'm getting one i'm just gonna roll up the next time we're like we're all out

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i'm just gonna roll up with that shirt what's up guys,
I got my sodomy tea on.
Jesus Christ. All right. So they get to Brian's, right? They finally roll up.
And, you know, so they pull up and they see, you know, she spots him. She sees him, right?

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He's laying out in the front yard between like a, there's like a light pole and something else.
And she immediately runs up to him, right? She's like, that's fucking Brian.
Oh, he's there at the house.
He's at the house in the front yard. In the front yard. okay all right easy
so he is obviously deceased she immediately starts cpr and she tries to like
lay on him because he's pretty much frozen i think it got down to like 18 degrees at night,

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and she's trying to warm him up she's trying to do cpr she's like you know rips
his shirt off lays on top of them and she's you know hysterical right and it's
this is about 6 a.m right and one One of the ladies, I don't know who, but she dials 911,
and EMS rushes out there.
And one of the EMS staff says they remember Karen was freaking out,

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and she was like, I hit him.
I hit him. Oh, my God, I hit him. Basically saying, I hit him with my car.
And they admit that later during the trial.
Now, he was rushed to the hospital, and I think at around 7.30, pronounced dead.
Dead hmm okay i want to back up
because this is again this is again i don't know

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i i don't know i know that this happened in my
former backyard but i don't know a lot about it although i've
been home i call it home i've been home since
and i've heard stories i've heard i mean locals talking
about it literally like the people that i hang out with were the real
people it's like you know 10 minutes away from where this happened so
you know there's a lot of feelings about this

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his case but i still don't know much about
it she woke up at four o'clock right and
at six o'clock she made it over to where he is now lying dead it took them two
hours so she wakes up go to that house yeah she wakes up at four and she leaves

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her house at about five or five thirty ish okay Okay. All right.
That's fine. So, so yeah, I'm just gonna give you a little quick.
So she woke up, checked her phone, probably tried to call them.
Probably try to text them.
And then it was like, I need to call Jennifer. Now she didn't actually have
Jennifer's number, but she asked, uh.
The John's niece who was at the house because she was friends with Jennifer's

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daughter and would have their number.
So then, you know, so I think, I mean, that could take about 45 minutes,
right? Like you're kind of wondering what to do.
You're like, you know, and for all accounts too, and I hadn't put this out there
yet, but during the time that he was missing, and I'm just going to go ahead and say this now,
she did call his phone a bunch, kind of like arguing,
like, I guess they were drinking and arguing and she accused him of like being

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a cheater and all kinds of shit,
which is ironic yeah said the cheater right that's
always how it works right yeah so she could
have been you know kind of replaying some of that in her head
like you know i don't know but it's not that long right okay and then i don't
know like if it's snowing like that you're probably driving a little slower
yeah whatever i guess all right that's fine i mean 5 30 to 6 yes driving slower

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depending on the distance from the house to the party house i can yeah i can see that and you're
pretty wasted still it's early it's probably
dark yeah okay now now when
he was found so i'm gonna go through these real quick now i'm just gonna go
ahead and say this out front because i'm gonna go through a lot of things about
the investigation again i'm not a cop i've never been a cop but that doesn't

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mean i can't point out when like somebody dropped the fucking ball like i don't
have to do your fucking job to know when you've done it wrong right like you
know it just is what what it is.
Now, when I go through this, if, if somebody listening is a cop and they're
like, that's fucked up, you don't understand, then you're probably a bad cop too.
Because here's the thing. I guarantee that a cop is going to listen to some

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of this shit and go, what the fuck were they doing?
Right? Like a good cop is going to be like, that's, that's horse shit.
Like you should have fucking done better. Right?
It's the same way with any other job. You do your job, right?
Or you do it wrong. I don't give a fuck what it is. Right?
And if you are a cop and you do want to weigh in on this, go ahead to hear no
evil show at gmail.com and let us know exactly what it is that you,

(35:31):
that you think that, you know, is Chris telling it right?
Is he telling it as it is? Is he way off the mark? Do you want to fight him?
Like, let us, let us know. He's going to put on the sodomy shirt and he's going
to say, come at me. Come at me, bro.
Brad always pulling it back to, to, to the business. I love it, man.
Always, always getting it back on rails. else like you know i feel like you

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could tell when i'm starting to get a little off off track and you're like you
know what come on back to the show no i don't think so no i just try to i'm
just trying to plug whenever i can just fucking plug it in you're no evil show gmail instagram get it,
get it sold me buy them
buy them we haven't made them yet but go find them
and give us the money make them you make

(36:15):
them and we'll sell them we won't give you the money that's
why it's sodomy because we're fucking you i'm done
i'm leaving just finished i guarantee you i'm gonna write it down right now
i don't have any paper but i'm gonna write it in pencil on my hand that that
is going to be the intro to the show and it's going to be like my the worst

(36:37):
moment for me just sounded like complete asshole making my mom proud,
sounded like a fucking gremlin growling into the mic about sodomy and fucking people.
Guarantee here's the music intro music sodomy and then i'm just gonna like just

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record myself and go guys that was brad just so we're clear just so we're clear
he says hi mom look at me now,
so i've gone so far i cry so so so a couple things now when he was found and we just want
to point this out before we go on he had so

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he did have blood on his nose his mouth he had
a black eye he was missing a
hat and missing one of his shoes how do
you miss a hat well like the hat he showed up with
right so he got out he got out of the car with this hat on okay
he no longer had it right i mean i could look at
any man with no hat and say he's missing a hat well yeah

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but like you know i get it i get it
i feel like this is important because i always wear a fucking hat always same
like you know if they're like where the fuck's his hat go you know like you
don't want people to know he's bald you know what i'm saying like sure yeah
so nobody knows i'm both they didn't really get much more fucking evidence than
that right and this is where i'm going to say that the cops fucked up at first

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start so when the cops show up.
First things first, they're collecting, and I'm putting fucking quotes up.
Once you guys see the video on Patreon, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I'll be doing these quotes, very animated.
But quote-unquote investigation, quote-unquote evidence.
They put the evidence they found in red Solo cups and put those Solo cups in

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paper bags that they just found.
That's how they were collecting evidence. That's the Boston way.
You didn't know that? That's how we do it up in Boston.
That's how that's how the stadies do it all the solo fucking
stadies solo cups did you bring
a solo cops i feel like mark walberg
wouldn't have done that like i just don't think he would have done that well he's

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no fucking cop yes that was perfect yeah so they also when they were asking
these motherfuckers like questions and shit they weren't recording anything
they weren't taking fucking notes they were like up just gonna put it in the
old think tank up here and walk away,
they didn't really like section anybody off fucking take any

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goddamn you know real interviews like take
anybody on the station but again it's like a good old boys thing right like
you show up because the the owner of the house was a cop yeah he's like oh what
happened he's like oh fuck i don't know the guy was out in the front and looked
like he fought himself and you know fell in the fucking snow they're like oh
sounds good to us like put your stuff in this cup and we'll take off I'll see you tomorrow.

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So the police also find a broken cocktail glass, and they say it was similar
to the one that Karen had when she left the bar that night.
Okay. So a connection there.
They do return a second time to look for more shit, and that's when they say
they found broken taillights from a car.

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Okay. So they show up a second time, right?
That's when they find broken taillights.
I'm going to go ahead and pause right here.
How the fuck do you not find that the first time? It was in the snow.
It melted. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Get fucked. Okay.
Probably didn't melt if it's that cold. Exactly. Yeah. And they can probably go fuck themselves.

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So at about, so that's, so this same day now, 4 PM, the police go to see Karen
and they claim that they notice her taillight is broken.
Oh. So that's the first thing they see when they go up. They're like, oh, look at that shit.
So she tells them, you know, they interview her. She tells them the same fucking
story. I just told you, you know, they got drunk.

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She fucking waited a little bit. She fucking drove off, blah,
blah, blah. Try to call the same thing I just said.
Now, when they go back to now formally interview everybody at the party,
everybody at the party says the same thing that he never fucking showed up.
They say he did not show up.
Now, what some of them do say, including Jennifer, the one that she called,

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said that while she was at the party,
she does remember seeing Karen's car pull up, but then a couple of minutes later,
the car left, and she just assumed, well, they were probably fighting,
and they changed their mind, said, fuck it, we're not going to go in. That's her testimony?
That's what she said. To the cops. That's what she said.
That's what Jennifer told the cops. She was like, hey, I was at the party. Yes. I saw them pull up.

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They were there for a couple of minutes. I like looked outside like what the
fuck are they doing and then I saw them leave and I was like cool they must
have just fucking changed their mind that's what she says okay because then she also says he oh.
That's is that Jennifer there that was let's see but but why would she go driving around with Karen if.
If she saw them leave together. Right. Well, and there's two ways to look at that, right?

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Like you could say, you know, why would she do that? As far as like,
if she knew, you know, he never showed up, but, but again, if you know,
in her defense, devil's advocate here, if, if you're Jennifer and you do see
them pull up, you see them leave and you're like, oh, okay.
They did decide not to go, but then she calls you and says, Hey,
I don't know where John's at.
Can you help me look for him? I mean, you're still like, yeah,

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sure. I mean, why is he missing?
Like i'll go yeah yeah yeah okay but everybody
in the in the party kind of you know corroborated with that
story they all say he never showed up are they all cops or
just a lot of them enough to be like tight with all the cops a couple of them
were cops so like you know brian and brian were both brian brian and brian the

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guy chris albert was a you know state employee yeah they were all family or
associated some way like they were all in the same kind of group right Right now,
there was two people.
The only two people that have a different account of what happened are the only
two people in this entire episode today that are not closely associated with that family. Right.

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One of them is Ryan Nagel. Now, that night, he went to the party to pick up
his sister. Right. His sister's name was Julie. She was at the party.
He pulled up to the driveway and he waited in his car. Now, he claims that when
he pulled up, he did see Karen next to like they were parked beside each other
and he did not see a broken taillight.

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He said Karen looked fucking normal. He did not see John in the car,
right? Like he said he could clearly see in the car.
He did not see John and Karen seemed fine. She was like texting on her phone,
you know, whatever, but like not frantic at all. Did not see a broken taillight.
The other person that the defense finally got to be a witness was this guy named Brian Luffrin.

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There are too many Bryans in this story. There's a lot of fucking Bryans.
Yeah, I agree. I don't even like the name.
Sorry, Bryans. Sorry, Bryans. Because that's all the Bryans out there.
I love the name. Get fucked. My favorite name is Brian. It's not.
He's a snowplow driver, right? Right. And he was doing his route.

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And he said he went by that house at about 3 a.m.
And he's like, no, I didn't see it because now at 3 a.m. the party would have been about done.
And if, you know, if we're going by that theory that she hit him with her car
before she left, he would have seen the body in the fucking yard.
And he's like, I went by the yard. I didn't see no fucking dead body.
And he would have seen it because like, I know, you know, like a snowplow driver,

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the fucking lights are super bright.
Like super bright and you have to keep an eye on the edge of
the road that's what you watch so that you don't exactly go dinging
up fucking mailboxes yeah no
shit yeah like you're doing your job he's probably already had like eight cups
of coffee it's three and he's like zooming through that motherfucker right looking at
everything you know yeah so you know
the police do their like bullshit investigation right and then

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now during this thing they don't actually go inside to
like get proof because i
right now just where we're at if i'm if i'm
one of the police i want to know did he get inside this
house or not yes so i would want
to go in and be like hey i need to find any kind
of fucking proof to show that he just stepped foot in this

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house because that will change the entire fucking outcome like did
he get in here or not because you guys are saying he didn't she's saying
he did that is number one priority of
what we need to fine prince they didn't fucking do that yeah
they didn't do that yeah so i.
Know right so two days later the emmy
says like he pulls his report and he

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says medical examiner by the way emmy whatever yep for
all you novices out there yeah yeah
if this is your first episode listen to any true crime one i'm sorry two emmy
stands for a medical examiner don't let this taint you yes and three make sure
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(45:44):
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you imagine if this was somebody's first fucking true
crime show that they landed on like that is like

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remember that episode we talked about we joked about the person's first time being
like choke me punch me yeah that is essentially what
this would be like if you're like you know what i want to try a true crime
podcast man on us yeah it's
just your toe into to the pool of of
true crime and get like piranha just shark

(46:26):
attack dp you know like i mean god
damn yeah i could just imagine
them like taking off their headphones at the end just eyes glazed over
like maybe true ground's not for me well that's
why we mental mouthwash at the end so stay
tuned just in case just in case it's getting a little too grisly in case chris
has mentioned sodomy and anal sex too many times wait till the end because don't

(46:50):
worry we'll take care of that mouth yeah we'll pull out of the nosedive and
we'll set you on blue skies for a little while and you'll want to come back
for more because once you get it once you just need to get it again mouthwash that ass.
God it goes in your mouth oh my
god side note all right pause on the fucking thing
did you see the story about the fucking georgia couple

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that got arrested for they were
at a mexican restaurant amazing good food and
they were wasted and he decided to funnel a
margarita into her asshole at the table you had no idea where i was going with
that did you like every word i said you were like i wonder where this is going

(47:34):
surprise motherfucker like wow margarita sodomy dude Dude,
where was the funnel? Where was the funnel? In her ass. No.
Jesus Christ. How did he bring it in?
What is he like? What is he like? Oh, your seat is right this way, sir.
He asked, why the fuck are you holding a funnel? And why is it brown?

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Why does it smell like shit? The waiter gave them the funnel.
He asked for it. He asked.
Let me ask you a question. Do you have a funnel? Yeah, he should have known
where that was going. And the guy's like, sure.
I guess like here's the funnel and apparently halfway through like he like bailed
on the funnel like because it just wasn't working he just poured it straight in her ass,

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yeah and then he like started drinking it out he's like oh you know he's like
i hope that's fucking chorizo you know all right,
You just turned her ass into a margarita glass, huh? How's your chorizo Rita? Oh.
Wow. Yeah. That's awesome. So they got arrested.

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That's some Georgia shit right there. So I just wanted to. What?
For arresting these people? For just trying to have a lovely meal? That is.
Cops overreaching again. Come on, guys. I thought this was America.
I thought this was the land of the free.
I know my rights.
So back on this. So two days later. Now, he gives his report,

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and he says that it was death by blunt force trauma to the head and hyperthermia, right?
He also notes that there was dog bites, random cuts and stuff like that.
But I'm going to go down the list of some of the things. There were dog bites.
There was also two black eyes.

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There was a gash on his forehead, another gash on the back of his head and his nose.
Multiple skull fractures and a
brain bleed now he also notes
in his fucking report that nothing
signified that a fight had broke out i'm sorry

(49:43):
correct so he says death by
blunt force trauma and then also says does
not look like a assault or fight okay just just
randomly throws that in there like i just want to say that i
don't think it was a fight yeah nobody fucking asked like
it's so weird because like if i was going to hit somebody with my
car like it probably wouldn't hit

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their fucking face you know i'm guessing a
broken knee hip something like
that unless you run them the fuck over that's ridiculous
i mean if that's what their claim is you know like busted taillight
right yeah busted so he backed up into her she backed up into him but he was
on all fours just like mouth breathing the muffler is that what it is yeah i

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don't know i mean devil's advocate okay she pulls out to do like a three-point
turn or some shit like that and he.
And i'm just i'm just throwing it out there right he his
shoe was untied so he bends down
to fucking tie his shoe she fucking hits
him with the car yep so his shoe comes off yes
okay he goes fucking flying yeah his

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hat fucking goes off too because he got hit in the head and his head
hits the fucking driveway oh okay so that explains the
front and the back yeah and then the hat flew away
in the the blizzard that was occurring that night i got it yeah i mean that
is actually i believe that more now it definitely wasn't a fight yeah i gotta
convince myself yeah oh god karen except he was wearing galoshes with no shoelaces

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on what we do now what do we do what do you do do now.
I don't know what kind of shoes he was wearing. They're probably Velcro.
What if they were Velcro?
I feel like that's an important piece of information. I feel like they need
to find out what kind of shoes he was wearing because that would make a lot. That would really.
Oof. That's a good. It's good to exonerate Karen for good. I'm going to send this in. Yeah.

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This might put her ass behind. This might put her in jail. Don't send it in.
Sorry. I started this whole thing out fucking believing that it was a cover up.
Karen, you fucking did this, man. What the fuck is wrong with you?
You jealous bitch. Bitch. You drunk motherfucker.
So the police come to this theory the same way I did, apparently,
because they immediately, they get this report and they say,

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okay, we think that Karen hit him with the car.
Right. So February 2nd, they arrest her and they arrest her on vehicular manslaughter.
Dude, I am fucking, this is wild because obviously we're just joking.
How do they do, how did they put the face at the bumper? you
know it's like it's like the glove not fitting it's the

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same thing how do you put the face in the man's like it's like
you're trying to put a murderer in the room how do
you put the face on the bumper right and and
so and their thing was well we got the taillight remember they
they found well yeah i mean that's fine that's great but again
the just the sheer mechanics of walking
does not make this make sense no no and

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and to them right they're going taillights here
her taillights broken everybody at this
house says he never came inside you know two plus
five means she killed him right yeah he you
know not not even even you know like like what
what if he got out the fucking car and kicked her fucking
taillight like bitch you know and then she

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fucking peels off and then some bodies walking by
is like what and they get in a fight like who knows like the the fact
that they just go right to arrest her it just seems crazy to me
circumstantial at best yeah like like obviously somebody hurt him but you're
just all of a sudden going to say her it just seems weird now so she you know

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obviously gets an attorney at this time and while they're going through trying
to like you know work on her defense he gets an anonymous phone call.
And this caller says, look, she's innocent.
I'm not going to give you my name, but I know what happened.
Or I have a very strong theory about what happened because I know these people.
Now, this anonymous caller says that when John got there, like he did get to

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the party, that a fight soon broke out between John and Brian Albert and Brian's nephew, Colin.
Now, let me give you a little heads up on Colin. colin is apparently a dickhead
he's like for you know i don't know colin you know whatever but,
you know every report out there is like you know colin was a hothead he

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had a temper he was you know big you know jock athlete he was kind of high school
age you know i think he was like 18 or some shit and he was kind of a you know
he was related all these cops you know because remember brian's his fucking
uncle and this is this colin albert was chris albert's son remember Remember the neighbor?
Yes. And when Karen hears this, she says, no, that actually makes kind of sense.

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And then she tells the attorney kind of what happened. And she says that him
and Colin had had issues.
And one example she gave him was that one night they were in bed and their ring
camera went off and it showed people out in their yard.
And so John gets up and goes to see what the fuck is going on.
And he sees Colin and his buddies back there drinking and shit.

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And he's like, hey, get off my property. and Colin's like go fuck yourself like
I ain't gonna listen to you you know kind of like a smart ass like who the fuck
are you you're just some fucking new cop you just only been here five years
you you know suck my ass like only been here five years like yeah yeah I don't know
you know whatever a bunch of fucking inbred mother I've been there for centuries you know,
I don't know we started kind you know I was the first person to live in Canton

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and dick congrats like clemence rock landed on me that's right.
Oh jesus christ like i like that's such a flex like i've lived here forever like i get that,
good job well this this one
makes it worse too so a couple days after john passed

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away this dumb motherfucker colin starts
posting pics of his fist on social
media and they were obviously been in a fight like he
had like bruises and marks all over his hands why the
fuck like so he's showing that shit off like
he's some tough guy meanwhile there's a fucking murder investigation going
on but thank god it's not on him it's on Karen so he's like yeah I'll just post

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this pic nobody cares wow so I mean speaking of flexes right that's that's what
he's doing he's just like teasing at this point right yeah yeah pretty much
I think as soon it came down after that I'm sure somebody was like dude take
that the fuck down right mm-hmm,
now Karen and her attorney, they hire a private investigator.
Cause they're like, we can't really trust these fucking cops, which makes sense.

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And he goes around and he starts like hitting up Collins friends.
Well, one of them actually did say not much, but, but she said,
you know, I can attest that we were at that party.
Like she's, that's all I'm going to tell you. She's like, I don't feel comfortable
saying anything else, but yes, we were at that party.
Well, later on, Karen, so Karen got out on bail when this, when these charges hit it.

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And not too long after that, her friends give her some, some more fucking bad news, right?
The lead detective on the case is a guy named Michael Proctor, right?
And he is super close with the fucking Alberts, known him forever, good friends.
Not only did he not disclose this, but he like played it down and kind of said,

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ah, yeah, we don't really know each other that well.
And he was actually, there was evidence that he was not only texting the Alberts about this,
where one of them said like oh hey when this case is
all wrapped up we're gonna buy you something nice you know blah blah
blah but also texted his sister saying
karen's fucking psychotic i wish she would just kill herself what yeah wow now

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i mean at this point shouldn't the stadies be involved they should do they get
involved because i'm just getting like so i want to say that i I think they
do Massachusetts state police.
And I think that, I think that's who Proctor was working for.
Oh, so that makes it even worse. Oh, wow. Okay. I'll double check that,
but I'm pretty fucking positive.

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So that's why they felt like they were shit out of luck. Now.
I mean, I feel like that has to happen.
Like if you're looking at a case like this, you can't like just let a town,
a bunch of, like you said, like inbred, just a bunch of townies probably live there forever.
Govern themselves. No, you can't, you can't. You're, you're absolutely right.
And it just happened to be that this guy fucking knew him, you know,
was friends with him. Well, that's the worst.

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Now, just so people know, in Massachusetts, the state is, man,
they are like if you've seen the movies, like if you've seen like The Departed, they are legit.
Like in South Carolina, not so much like they're underpaid, understaffed,
like the sheriffs are kind of like in a lot of a lot of municipalities, a lot of states.
I'm sure like sheriffs are like, you know, big dogs, you know,

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town cops maybe in there. And then like, Stadies, not so much like up there,
dude, like Stadies, you do not want to get pulled over by a Massachusetts Stadie.
Like that's, that's the scary stuff, man. They literally like they're training.
They get trained like basically like military style, like hardcore bootcamp
and they come out like hard nosed.

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So they're like, yeah, like there's no, there's like sheriffs.
We don't really do sheriffs up in Massachusetts. You got your town cops and then you got your state.
I'm sure there's some places that have like County sheriffs and stuff,
but they don't do as much.
Right. They're just there. They're like a representatives.
Essentially. I'm sure they do something, but yeah, you, you,
you never called the sheriff. Like we don't have like county type stuff,

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like out of town, like in a lot of places where you have like the town proper.
And then you're like, well, that's a county issue. We don't have that.
It's just all like, like every town is very like low. And that's what I was saying before.
Like it's, it's very like local government. Like every town has its own school
system, you know, like, like public school stayed within like town borders.
And, you know, there's no, there's no, like half the people in Massachusetts

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probably don't even know what county they live in.
You know? know oh that's okay you know what i mean i mean
that's not that's not necessarily true or what okay it's just
not like you know it's not a it's not a really like stressed thing
i don't think like like when i grew up in new jersey i had to memorize every
county in fucking the in
the state in like in school you know like it's
a it's kind of a bigger thing in massachusetts like i never

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had to do that shit so maybe it's just a school that i went to
but it's very local so when you you say like these cops like they all fucking
i know a somerville cop and it'll be like i don't i don't even know that guy
we're not on the same shift together like this yeah oh well so big you know
they have so many cops like i don't know i'm and i'm not certainly not gonna
like go to bat for him if i think he's a piece of shit you know like i'm sure
the canton police were like we're boys.

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So yeah yeah yeah that's my that's my fucking friend like i ain't doing shit
yeah we'll go fight the walpole cops after after shift you know we'll get fucking
wasted and fucking great rain alcohol and go fuck people up,
you know? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure.
Anyways, the point is I would want like a governing body, like the state is
to come in. But then the fact that shit, they got somebody that's fucking, uh,

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on the take as well. Oh, right. Yeah. That's the worst.
Yeah. And he was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So Michael Proctor was a steady. Yep.
And I will skip ahead a little bit and just tell you that just so you can see
kind of how this, this is going is he ends up getting a internal investigation
on him and is fucking relieved of duty for, you know, issues with this case.

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Oh, so they did an internal investigation. We're like, you're a fucking piece of shit. Bye.
Nice. which is saving their reputation too like that's that's really good to see yes absolutely yeah,
you know it's not you know the stadies aren't inbred is what
we're saying well they're actually badasses so let's not
go that far but well listen i want one i want some fucking department on
my side okay i'm talking about everybody else every department at some

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level is going to have a little bit of weird going on but i'm glad that at
least they took that you know that they took
that responsibility yeah seriously they probably
had to at that point too sure so now the
charges get a a little worse so the cops decide you know
the state decides to change the charge from
vehicular manslaughter to murder in the second degree because

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now they're saying this was not a fucking accident we're
we're thinking that you killed him on purpose like we're gonna up the ante here
so she freaks the fuck out obviously and she hires an attorney named alan jackson
not the country singer okay and i was gonna ask but thank you for i know i got
you what's his his songs way down yonder chattahoochie you're asking the wrong guy my guy.

(01:02:21):
He gets hotter than hoochie coochie what the fuck is a hoochie coochie oh i
think we know we do know so this guy defended uh kevin spacey which is gross
god yeah so i mean everybody needs a fucking attorney right even like little you know,
Little kid touchers, but don't sue me. Now, one of the things they do is they

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hire a forensic digital detective or whatever you call them.
These people are cool as fuck.
They're the ones that get all the technology shit and kind of match things up. Yeah.
Well, John's Apple Watch, right? They get a hold of that and they get the records
of that and his whole health app, right?
And remember, we use this one in, oh, God, the one where the guy murdered his family. The brother?

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Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yep. Shit's wild as fuck, man. So they look at his
watch and right after midnight. Cody.
Sorry. Yeah. Anyways. No, Grant. Grant. Grant. Grant Amato.
Okay. Cody, wasn't it? There wasn't a Cody. No, there was a Cody.
That's a different one. Okay.
Okay. Nevermind. You got it. I think his brother might've been Cody.
I thought it was. Yeah. Yeah. Grant's the bad guy.

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Yeah. Sylvie. Sylvie was the, the, the chick making all the money.
It was always a winner in every story. She, she won big time.
She was like, here's my tits. he's like here's a hundred thousand dollars like
jesus here's my dad's inheritance thank you.
401k so god damn

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dude that's such a sad one right after midnight his
watch showed that he took 80 steps and he
went up three flights of stairs well ironically just
by coincidence this motherfucker's house has three
flights of stairs okay i guess who would have fucking guessed not me you know
not you not the fucking canton goddamn police department no now they also had

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a dog named chloe who was a german shepherd that they had for seven years does
john and and karen do they have a dog.
Okay, so the dog bites, that was my first, that was going to be a question.
I had that on the back burner, like, where are these dog bites coming from with
these, you know, I was going to ask if they had a dog, but.
Okay, so there you go. Big ass German Shepherd. There's a big ass police dog also there. Okay, cool.

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That the ME, but the ME was just like, that car's got a lot of bite to it,
I guess, right? A lot of horses under that hood.
Yeah, a lot of horses. Yeah. I mean, again, devil's advocate,
right? Well, you know, he was tying his shoes.
She fucking hit him. He fell down. The dog was like out in the yard and like
bit him because he was like, what the fuck is this?

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You know, there's a person in trouble. I should bite it.
Yeah, I know. Right. So, I mean, it could have been a bad dog.
I mean, that's why I didn't actually work for the police department anymore.
Oh, there you go. Yeah. Sorry. He's racist against white people. He hates whites.
Only whites he likes are the fucking whites of the eggs. You know, you fucking honkies.

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I was good. By the way, I can say that I'm white. Okay.
Just before anybody gets offended good lord well once if they called me a hulky
if they knew like your love for forrest gump and fucking fleetwood mac i don't
think there'd be any question as to what color you are dude that's true i also

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love bubba if that matters,
bubba bubba's my best good friend you brought forrest gump up this time i did
okay yeah but one star review racist against whites signed.
Brian talks about sodomy too much is an asshole.

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More Brad.
Love Brian.
Right guy. Stay with us. I'm going to try. I'm gonna try to shoehorn my way
into this episode. Yeah.
So here's the funny thing which you know doesn't prove
you're guilty at all but they get rid of the dog after this oh
okay yeah that makes sense yeah yeah fuck

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it get rid of the dog all worn out from all the people chewing all
the murdering and then they they sell the
house oh wow what a
coinkydoodle yeah yeah so this this this
lawyer the one alan jackson the you know the one that got kevin
spacey off or whatever is finding all kinds of shit apparently
he's really good because he finds all this shit out and then he also finds on

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jennifer remember the one that helped her look for you know john at 2 30 a.m
this bitch fucking went on her google this bitch this bitch i know i'm here
for it now buddy let me pull up a little closer to the computer,
he fucking types into her google well she types in h-o-s hose hose long to die

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in cold so the fuck it she obviously meant how how long to die in cold so she texts us at 2 fucking 30,
2 30 a.m i i just want to go ahead and stop and tell you what the fuck she says about this later.
Her fuck the prosecution tries to say oh their their excuse was no no she had a tab,

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open where she had searched that previously and just accidentally opened up that tab are you
joking and then she fucking comes out and says oh i didn't search it at 2 30
i searched it at 6 30 after we found them so so those are the two fucking right
there everybody should go to jail because that is the biggest bunch of bullshit
i've ever heard in my life on both accounts so you're lying so either so you

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know whoever's wrong here.
Both of them yeah but those are horrible excuses i
accidentally opened a tab bitch so you were just searching up
how long it takes for people to die in the cold you're dumb shut up
yeah yeah this whole thing is so wildly unbelievable i just i don't understand
like you would think cops doing this now granted it's canton again it's not

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like hardcore all right just so it's not if you've heard of brockton brockton's
kind of like you know somewhat has
i don't know i wouldn't call it famous but it is mentioned in the
movie the the departed which is the only movie that anybody knows about
massachusetts apparently the padded it's not
it might have like a section where like i don't really want to live here but
it's not a hardcore town you know i mean every town has its issue it's also

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not in the middle of nowhere but you know it's it's it's a town you go through
it's kind of a hub as far as highways are concerned but this is not this is
not like a badass town so maybe the cops just don't have a lot of experience going.
Through you know like understanding what's going to happen
in a case like this and they're just like well i don't know we'll say the car
hit him i don't know but i have to imagine as an

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officer of the law that you can't possibly imagine
that that excuse makes sense a the
the whole that you know i mean maybe it's just the lawyers telling them
what to do but the the certainly the the googling what the how long to die in
the cold but definitely i don't understand the best The best you could come
up with was backed your car into this man with dog bites and his face just pummeled.

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Yeah. I don't, you don't get two black eyes without having a fucking caved in
concave face from getting hit with what? A bumper, a tire.
It does. It does not make sense. How are these guys so fucking stupid that they
couldn't come up with a better excuse? Yeah.
Yeah. You're right. And again, you're the prosecution.

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You're supposed to be well-educated lawyers and this is your thing. This is what you do.
So either one, you're fucking stupid or two, you think that the jury is fucking
stupid. I don't know which one it is.
I'm assuming you're not a complete fucking idiot because you went to school
and somehow graduated and passed the bar, but the bar i don't know but again

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maybe you went to uh you know what's the fucking.
Tijuana law school you know maybe you know jackie v like i don't
fucking know you know i mean how hard is that curriculum you
know you do coke with jackie v and you're fucking done you're like ah
i'm a lawyer well i guess if they're working for the state you
know maybe they don't get paid as much as those as the uh
high price like private lawyers that you're gonna get on the

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defense maybe i i don't know but no this
is just the whole thing is comical it's this
i didn't know like i said i i knew about it but that
is just wildly comical this whole thing the specifics of i knew that it was
like dirty cops and people on the take and trying to cover a murder and pinning
it on people but this is just a it's a kangaroo court i'm declaring it's a kangaroo

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court that's it i told you i was like every time i get into something you're going to be like,
how the fuck is it worse? You're going to be just, what the fuck?
I was like, yeah, I know you know about it, but holy shit.
I kept learning stuff and I was like, this can't be real life. I mean, it just can't be.
I want to bring this up just real quick. There's a blogger up in that area named Turtle Boy.

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Since you're from there, I guess you probably know him pretty good.
Turtle Boy for life. Turtle Boy.
He's got a blog up there called like True Crime or something like that,
or True Crime Daily, or no, TV Daily News, my bad, Turtle Boy Daily News.
I'm talking all over the place.
He was really on this case from the jump and he really made his opinion known,

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And now he's dead.

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He also theorized theorizes that yeah gaslit that bitch
gaslight your family so he also
theorized that a proctor the dickhead stady broke her
taillight you know after all this
went down like like basically one of them called and said dude we need to find some
kind of fucking alibi and when he put this
out at the time this was like the first time that all these details were

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public and it caused a fucking huge riff in the town like people were divided
and had like 50 50 like either these cops are fucking you know fucking shady
as fuck karen's free or like no karen's a murderer like it just went straight
down the middle one funny thing he did is he got a bunch of people rallied together,
had like over 150 people driving around this

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like grocery store parking lot and they had these signs on their fucking cars
that said hose long for justice kind of like a spin on the google search like
how long for you know i thought that was kind of clever that's very good because
i was like yeah Yeah, hoes do long for justice. Justice for these hoes.
Now, funny part is, in 2023, October, he was arrested for witness intimidation.

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Turtle Boy was? Yeah. Turtle Boy. Come on, bro. I was on your team until he started.
Unless he didn't. Maybe he didn't. This is what he did for this shit.
This is what they're saying.
Just for driving around? Well, he also, again, whatever.
Yeah, they also did threaten with a pillowcase full of doorknobs.

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I know. No, but he did drive by Brian's house and he had like a bullhorn and
he was driving by like saying, Karen's, you know, innocent.
You're covering this up. Like he was basically just stating facts.
He was like, who arrested him? The Canton police. I think so. She's of course.
Why not? Shady as fuck, dude.
Now, real quick, I'm gonna go over a couple of things. This is on the other side, right?

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Like if you were the prosecution and you're just saying, well, no, she did it.
Check it out. at 5 a.m on karen
on john's house recording device like on his front
door recording it shows karen leaving at 5 a.m and
her taillight is already broken so their claim is nobody could have broke her
taillight for you know like it had to be broke when she quote-unquote hit him

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and left is there i mean they could could they check was it broken at any other
point like i don't i I don't know. A week beforehand, it might have still been broken.
Okay. Well, no, because remember that one guy said when he pulled up,
he didn't see it was broken.
So now, again, devil's advocate here. It wasn't broken when he pulled up.
He probably left. When she pulled out, she might have hit him and broke it. I don't know.

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Also, it could have got broken on the fucking way. Whatever.
I don't know. They also said that there was hair samples in the taillight.
And quote unquote, likely matched his. They couldn't say it did definitively,
which I don't know. In the taillight itself, like on the car. Yes.
Okay. Still don't know why his head's there.
Still don't know either. Right. And I still, if this is a cover of them,

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I'm not putting anything against, you know, what?
You can't put hair on a fucking taillight. Like I can't bring a taillight. Yeah.
Now Colin's parents, remember Colin's little shithead. Colin's parents say,
well, he was, he left that party early and came home and didn't leave again.
Okay. So that's that's fucking reliable.
We don't care. Yeah. And some of the witnesses say there was no more bad blood
between them. So there wouldn't have been a fight. Unreliable.

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Correct. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. And, you know,
so none of that makes any sense.
But the police still say Karen had a motive. They say, look,
they've been fighting and she was texting this guy, Brian Higgins.
Their relationship went perfect. Nobody's is again. That does not mean you're a fucking murderer.
Yeah. By that definition, my wife would have... No, never mind. We're good.

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I mean, clock's ticking on you, buddy.
Pulling up my solo podcast ideas tab.
It's just a little emoji with the X'd out eyes next to it.

(01:16:27):
Brad equals X'd out eyes emoji. Where to go from here?
Solo stories with chris come in sit down enjoy this voice sodomy,
why flavor fuck your ears,

(01:16:50):
see this is why i can't do a solo podcast bro like you've got to be here because
i'm just going to go off into like it's just a super weird area well plus you only have
one penis and they have two ears right i
can't you can't you can't ear fuck one ear then
everyone's all balanced and you're that's what your finger's for

(01:17:11):
you're like you're like dude you're mouthing mouthing bro i'm the math guy one
dick two ears like you're starting to sound like the canton cops right now stories
don't add up bro making no sense making no well you know he He couldn't have
fucked her ears because she had two.
She had two officers. Well, that math messed up. Take her to jail.

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Life. Fucking defense lawyers are just like, I don't know. I don't know how
to defend this. I've never heard this.
How do you finger an ear? I don't know. Let me Google. Hose,
do you figure an ear? Hose. Oh.
Man. Fucking A. I don't even know what we're doing.
Oh, so they also say that night. Now, one of the things, because I told you,

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when she woke up, she was like, where's he at? Where's he at?
Now, that night, the forensic detectives, whatever, they uncovered that Karen
called him like 50 fucking times after she dropped him off.
Off so they were arguing and she
like actually left him a couple voicemails like saying like fuck you
you need to answer the fucking phone like you're a prick and at

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one point she says i'm with your fucking kids no one knows
where you are you're a fucking pervert like she was pissed a
couple theories on that right she could have
absolutely thought he you know was
cheating like he was there and and not telling anybody
like he just took off immediately and went to some girls else i i don't
know so they couldn't put his phone in the house is it

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too like tough to triangulate that close so
the yard is close enough i mean i don't i don't know you know like they pinged
it like i mean it's a big area right yeah it is a big area yeah and i i don't
think you can trust that kind of thing like sure but again the one i'm sticking
with the watch yeah the fucking The watch showed that he was alive.

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It showed that he walked 80 steps and three flights of stairs.
Now, even if you're a little off, maybe it was two flights, maybe it was 60
steps. Like that still to me is the most incriminating piece.
Like that's just not going to just make it up, you know? No.
Now, at the end of this trial, okay, before we get into mouthwash,
because, you know, it was a mistrial jury was split.
They have two experts come up. The defense does. Because remember,

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they're just trying to say that Karen did not kill him.
Like, that's all they're focused on. They're not even trying to say these motherfuckers
did. They're covering it up. They're just trying to get her off the hook.
But they have a two experts come up. Both are, one's a doctor and she's an expert
in like, she was like a ER doctor and a, some kind of trauma specialist.

(01:19:45):
But she basically says like, these are dog bites. She's like,
they cannot be anything else. They were not made by a driveway.
These are fucking dog bites. Like whatever, however it happened, a dog bit this guy.
And then the final day a biomechanical engineer
steps up to say you know
hey there's no way that these injuries were made from him being hit by a car

(01:20:07):
that just would not thank god thank god which apparently it takes a doctor of
biomechanical engineering to understand that even though our stupid asses just
were like no probably not and a fucking like biological of a doctor of,
what biology physiology i don't
know to say that that's a fucking dog bite and not road rash god yeah.

(01:20:30):
Yeah i mean that was my first thought like i wasn't even thinking what you said
i'm just you're like oh that's definitely not dog bite definitely not road rash
i'm like no shit dude i don't this is crazy what are we talking about,
You need an expert on this. This is where we are in America,
guys. You need an expert to tell you that that's a fucking dog bite.
Okay. Oh, God. That's definitely the tip of where we are. Let's be honest.

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Well, a couple other things. These are side notes at the end here about some
of the people that were in this case. Because like I said, mistrial.
They're going to probably go after him again, just so you guys know.
But Kevin Albert, he was a, obviously Albert last name.
He was a Canton police officer. He was put on administrative leave on June 13th.
And this was pending an outside investigation so he might be in some trouble

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good good during the trial proctor that dickhead testified that he exchanged
text about the case with kevin,
who had left his badge in proctor's cruiser after a night out drinking because
like you said they all go out drinking together yeah remember this proctor guy
tried to act like he didn't even know these motherfuckers but they're out drinking
and he's leaving this fucking badge in his car because Because they probably

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were banging each other. I don't know.
They rattle off. During the sodomy. You'd think that they'd.
For like when you're chasing after people. Or having to wrassle a criminal.
That you'd firmly have the badge affixed. With like a pin.
Or a strong adhesive. It's just barely dangling on there.

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And once you really start. Ramming a jam in sodomy style.
In the back of a cruiser. they will fucking they
fly off at first pump not gonna lie i've seen it happen with
my own eyes first pump dang boom on the
floor and he just forgot because he had like post come
fucking like no clarity actually he had no he didn't he didn't get that because

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here's the thing here's why he's upset he didn't come and that's why he's trying
to pin it that's why he's trying to pin on albert because albert didn't do his
job so yeah okay that actually makes sense that's that's actually a really good
point. So yeah. Proctor. Proctor.
Proctor the prostate doctor you know what i'm saying.

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T-shirt yeah i'm wearing
that one i'm just gonna i'm dude i'm gonna do again i'm
just gonna take a fucking white t-shirt and just fucking sharpie that
in and see how long i can walk around
in public without getting arrested so excited to find
our biggest fan with just like the whole like a
whole wardrobe of just all our bullshit dude like

(01:23:00):
which one of their bullshit sayings am i wearing today you
know just like just opens up the closet drop trowel
make eye contact make eye contact absolutely yeah
tijuana school of lawn stuff
yeah yeah bradley the bear bradley the
bomb i'm i'm telling you i'm getting a bradley the bear
made it's gonna be a surprise okay it's gonna it's gonna be a surprise maybe

(01:23:24):
in christmas so but uh it'll a long ways away but i'll it is yeah just don't
squeeze its arm because it'll say some really fucked up shit so don't let your
kids like take no no no no not a kid's toy stop playing with daddy's bear,
choke me just fucking choke me and the kids come on dad dad take this bear there,

(01:23:49):
check.
And the bear's like check my pockets I don't
want to make Bradley a pedophile let's get this yeah yeah let's
chill with brandon allegedly allegedly allegedly so one
more thing brian albert remember that dickhead he he got

(01:24:11):
rid of his phone right before the judge had
made the order for him to preserve it as evidence he actually
retired last year so good good dude they
fuck look i i we like to give our opinions about shit
they these motherfuckers did it right like i'm just
gonna go and say it like there's no fucking question in my mind i don't
give a fuck what karen said what she did how people

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get drunk all the time and say really mean shit to each other like
i i can give you a million examples of women that's
been pissed off at me that doesn't mean any of them successfully murdered me
right and and the the the evidence of the one girl lying about everything in
the google search the dog bites the fact that everybody in the house had the

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same kind of fucking stupid story like i said he went in that house that That happened, right?
Yeah. And there's theories about like what could have happened and blah,
blah, blah, and what it was calling and bad blood. But I'm going to say this. If...
If this guy walks in that house and everybody's super fucking wasted,
which it sounds like they are, I don't care if there's no, quote unquote,
no bad blood between this kid and his family and you, it's going to be there when people drink.

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And even if that kid left, even if he left before the whatever altercation happened,
he probably shit talked on his way out. He probably got everybody riled up.
Let's say something did happen with the dog. Maybe he stepped on
the the dog's tail and the dog like kind of bit him and he was like what the fuck
and the guy's like what the fuck you and it got carried away
like it could have been a fight that guy went a little

(01:25:39):
too far because everybody on there was on the
same side and you were there by yourself and nobody
had your back yeah and people you know how people
get when they're drunk like that and they're ballsy because they're like everybody in this
house has got my back i ain't losing no
fight like now also you a tough guy you know what i'm saying
i think that's what happened and i think they fucking drag
them out there and they fucking left them there and then they were like well

(01:26:01):
how long does it take to die in the snow could it could that have done it yeah agreed
agreed yeah i mean it's so it's just obvious i
don't even think it's worth debating it's not a matter of in
my mind it's not a matter of did they do it it's a matter of how
do we prove that they did yeah you
know like it has to be like how can you prosecute them
beyond a reasonable doubt that's all there is to it it's like common sense

(01:26:24):
when common sense prevails obviously they did it there's if
anybody listens to this podcast you don't have to listen to your critique
on it they'll oh shit god yeah
they obviously did it you know you just walk away like they obviously did it.
It's just a matter of like how do you do that in court you know
i think that and and and that's that's
difficult unfortunately but they did a good job of of deflecting right

(01:26:46):
off the rim yes right oh like hey we're gonna get eyes
off us let's just accuse her of fucking murder so now it's
instead of anybody going after for them for the
the all the energy is getting put into trying to
make sure she does not go to jail for murder yes so they're
like deflect motherfucker like you know best defense
is good offense my friend that's right that's right yeah you would say that

(01:27:08):
patriots it's fucking true but i mean they they did a good job they deflected
and they said well we'll just put all the attention on her and then she's fucking.
Going against you know the fucking entire you know town and in some
of the fucking state he's apparently so yeah i mean she was kind of fucking
outnumbered until she got the big boy lawyer in there and he's like he's like

(01:27:29):
i don't like none of these motherfuckers i ain't from this area fuck this place
like yeah i'll fuck it all up i'm from new york you know like you fucking hate
the socks you know go giants yeah exactly.
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