Ep.27 Dennis Nilsen, Part 2. Plumbing Issues

In part 2 we finish up our coverage on Dennis Nilsen and we get to his dumb ass way of getting caught. Was Bleep in on this?

We also find out that Brad is apparently an amazing soccer player...when facing off against 10 year olds. 

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Episode Transcript

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Music.
We want to do a like kind of

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end of the season it's been it's been like a month since i ended but kind
of like an end of the season adults first kids no and
i didn't even i didn't know about it until earlier
this week it was like yeah we're gonna try to but we're
gonna be gone and then broken hips and shit oh my
god dude yeah yeah i mean actually
if almost everyone the coach is probably the least in shape looking person out

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there but that was pretty pretty in shape you can tell like you know they work
out so the kids somehow thought that they were going to win this game and i'm
like guys you're gonna hit but you're 10 years old dude and i know like.
Some of you guys some of them are pretty good so i'll have some good ball handling
skills and stuff but we just it's like nine to three and the three was a gimme

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so i was whooping their asses it was
four zero real quick and and one of
them like it was a pass to me
like right in front of the net and i couldn't handle
it it came in kind of hot and i angled
it kind of toward like my son was playing against me and

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it went off of him and into the net and his
team's like what are you doing race was like hey good
goal bud and i
was like i should i should probably stop because he's getting
a little upset not so much that i was giving him shit but
because like the kids are like what are you doing you suck
yeah dude that's hilarious you didn't

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have a chance he had no chance no of course not it reminds me of what was it
billy madison was that it where he's like dodgeball he goes out there and just
starts fucking tearing them up now you're all in big trouble yeah that was y'all
out there just kicking the shit
out the ball oh my god he's getting beamed in the head and of course at
the end, the coach is like, all right, next goal wins,

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and half the parents aren't even out there, and they put one in.
Reese is like, I told you we were going to win. I'm like, dude,
it's like 10-2 right now. Stop.
He's at one point, he's like, it's only 6-3. I'm like, Reese,
it was like 6-3, and I scored twice since then.
So I don't think that's – I don't think he's keeping track real well.
Well, so who got the last goal, though? The kids did, which sucked.

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Oh, so they won. Yeah, technically. Yeah, sure. Fair is fair,
man. Sorry you guys lost. It sucks. Yeah, I know.
You got to do better, man. Yeah, spent an hour out there. We didn't even have
a goalie for the second half of this thing.
That's awesome. They're like, oh, we don't need a goalie? like
hey henry get out a goal and the coach is like no
you need you need a goal you do you need two goalies you

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need a fucking wall you need to just put a wall up even still dude this one
mom had a laser her son was in net was it was was was a goalie and she just
fucking booed i was surprised like i was she was far away she was a good 20
30 yards away and like picked a corner I'm like, Jesus Christ,
just let you have the ball, I guess.

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Give it to her. It's like, you ever see the videos of the, when they let the
moms come out and do tackle practice?
Yes, yes, yes. Oh, it's amazing, dude.
Like some of these, and some of these moms are pretty thick,
like they're big and they, you could just tell that they've been waiting on this shit.
They just deck these kids, man. They're like, yeah, you little shit. Yeah.
They signed them up just for that practice. That's it. Exactly.

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Exactly. After that, they're like, I'll give a shit what you do.
I'm not showing up to one fucking game. This is it.
I'm going to go back to being a fucking... I hate you.
Just like you're a mistake.
Goddamn, Mom. Yeah, when you get your ass up, go find your real dad. Boom.

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Goddamn, dude. You almost made me sip my fucking drink. Can't do it with my back swing, bro.
Holy shit. Shit, I almost ruined the whole fucking show. I was about to go all
over the fucking mic. Go find your real dad, you little piece of shit.
You thought that tackle hurt. How about 20 years in therapy? Emotional damage.

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Oh, that's a creep. Took that HP down to zero.
Oh, man. How am I coming in? You can hear me? I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if you tweaked it beforehand, but I feel like it's right
on that verge of, you know, being almost too loud. But I feel like that's a sweet spot right there.
Yeah, I actually didn't tweak it at all. So, like, I went a little different route.

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I was like, let me just raw dog it here and see what I can do.
Well, you know, I am enjoying your raw dogging.
All right, cool. Well, if it gets too much, tell me to back off a little bit
for the show. The show. The show.
So i did so i think i hit you up about what
we're gonna kind of an idea for the middle mouthwash for this one

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did you get that yeah yeah yeah yeah i would roll with that i think that's
a good one i got another one in the chamber
but i'm gonna you know obviously we don't need to do that it's
it's more of a quick one it's more of a little little side
side quest i like it i like it
i mean depending on how long this one takes we
can throw that in there too you know i i was going through

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i was actually driving and reading your text on the way back from soccer
field i'm like i know so it's like zombie when you
say like two celebrity people go
you said two celebrity characters so we're talking about like real life
celebrities or we're talking like people from movies and shit
characters that they play so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be robert downey jr
it would be all man right okay okay i feel like that's the easy swing is to

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go for like marvel and dc characters i would like to stay away from that if i could but yeah yeah.
Because that's that's a little cheat that's cheating kind of yeah yeah i'm like
oh superman all right yeah exactly yeah yeah right yeah
yeah no so we'll stay away from that it's got to be
like real like you know not somebody can
fucking fly and shit like that you know like come on

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this is serious okay yeah apocalypse come on
like take it for real life shit jesus like
the people that criticize like star wars and shit like shut the fuck
up guys like it's like that would never ever happened like
oh but all the other shit would yeah like yeah like
this is in space right now dick dude i go through all the
comments on like my algorithm has got

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it so that i get all this um like marvel versus
dc type shit like who would win in a battle like
oh my god so we're nerds okay and i
i love it i just go love going at the comics
uh the comments with the like oh
my god you've never read a comic book in your life don't you understand
that like the hulk folk world busters literally

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destroyed entire planets like you're so fucking
stupid i'm like i also love
how in that world like that's an insult like you've never read a comic and you're
like yeah whoa big guy it's funny then you've never seen a vagina so right it's
like it's like that's what they're just doing they're like you've never done

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this and you're like yeah yeah okay i'm I'm going to live my life down.
But they do, man. They get they get hot about it. Like they're fucking and they
argue back and forth. And I'm just like, this is great.
So I'll like throw in my comments. I don't know shit about anything.
And I'll be like, I'll say something stupid. I'm like, oh, dude,
fucking Black Panther would crush Hulk.
Like, no, he wouldn't. I'm like racist. You know, just they're like,

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I'm just like all over the fucking place. Just say some shit.
That's fucking awesome. But I do. You know, I got to admit, when those little
videos pop up, I like them.
Yeah. They're kind of cool to watch. Like I have no idea about any of it, but I'm like, oh, okay.
Dude it don't matter we could be you know 80 years
old but we're still fucking grown-ass boys

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like yeah action figures and action
movies and escape with all that shit's still gonna be interesting even if you
fucking don't keep up with it you know yeah you're getting a little more quiet
so i don't know what's happening i'm watching your wave formats here and i'm
like okay smaller and smaller smaller i don't know if you're just right there

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it's good i don't know if it's just a.
Function of distance from the mic or yeah i was like leaning
back i got you okay that's cool that's cool that's cool doing my
pimpling yeah this motherfucker not
when we have fucking murders to talk
about we do got murders to talk about man and this so
i feel like this might be the longest we've went without recording
it seems like a long time doesn't it yeah probably because

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we did it early last week right didn't we yeah we did
it early and then i think we like had to
reschedule a couple times so it's just been like you know like
a fucking podcast dick tease for like fucking four
days dude like our content has been regular it's
been regularly released but yeah no i i the
same thing i was like oh we're still in part two like what

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the fuck i feel like this has been my brother-in-law was
he was walking the dog he lives in my neighborhood and he comes he sees
me coming around the corner he's like where was
he where where where was the funnel that's what
he said he's like so did you find out you found out where the funnel was huh
we're talking about like the mexican restaurant and
shit he's like yeah he's like that was fucking hysterical because you're

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like you're like where's the funnel and he's like in her ass and you're like
no like how did he get it into the restaurant i know it was in her ass like
that shit had me cracking up oh man where is the funnel that that back and forth was good so So,
I mean, dude,

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like, like I said, like you can just.
You know we could do like a side episode that's just
fucking news stories that pop out because like you can't
make this shit up man like even even this
this one we're doing like dennis nelson this sounds like
a fucking horror film like it is terrifying
and you're like you almost are like you

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know if somebody made a movie about this you'd be like all right
man chill like nobody's gonna do that this is real life yeah you
know like you know the funnel in the ass like that's real life like that's
it's a real life america you know
what i'm saying well or you you can't about to say yeah it's not all it's not
all us guys i wonder what the america version of scotland is like don't get

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me say don't get british i don't know i don't know shit about the uk so let me stop.
I mean i pretend i know about everything but i don't know shit about shit it's all in how you
project it that's all oh dude if you're confident like you
can convince anybody i mean look at all the cults out there like yes

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look at politics like sit down yeah like right so we left off at do you remember
so okay last one we talked about is we talked about you know dennis nelson he
was we talked about two of his victims right stephen holmes was his first actual
victim the The one he got back to the house,
you know, got wasted, strangled him, and then put him under the floorboard,

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right? Yeah, and then Weekend at Bernie's ass, right?
Weekend at Bernie's ass. He would pull him out. Man, that's kind of rude. I'm sorry.
It is very rude. To what? To Bernie or – I don't know. No, to Steven.
Are we in right now? Are we in? Are we hitting the pocket?
Is this the show? Let's hit it. Yeah, let's go. Okay. All right.
Let's go. We can intro later.
Okay. Yeah, that's good. I can chop it and screw it, man. I'm good at this thing

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now. you know um yeah don't sound like you sound like one of our murderers.
You sound like dennis well there is so there was some parts man where he's like
he didn't want a relationship he just wanted a dog he wouldn't live on the top
floor and i was like oh my god no top floors no top floors he's like i wanted

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a corner unit i'm like dude you You got to stop.
It's sounding just like too similar.
Fucker. Now, I want to just hit on this real quick because I don't know.
I forget how much detail we got in about Steven with the whole.
I mean, he did strangle him.
And after he strangled him, I think I told you he drowned him.

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He got like a bucket of water.
Yes. Yeah. He wanted to make sure. Yeah.
And so it was like he didn't like the violence part of the killing.
And like, he didn't want to kill, but he knew he had to do it kind of like that.
And then he, you know, put them on the floorboard and, you know,
I think I said he stayed there for like eight months under that fucking floorboard,

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which is disgusting. Right. Right.
Now, one thing I didn't mention is that when he first killed Steven,
he was in this situation where he's like, okay, now what do I do,
right? What am I going to do?
So he goes to the store and this is where he gets a fucking like an electric
knife and he comes back and he's like, okay, this is going to work,

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which, you know, I've never cut up a body safe to say I've never done that.
Good to know. Good to know. Correct. I'm just crossing that off my list right
now. Things that I think Chris might be guilty of.
Like, never cut a body. Okay, you seem pretty confident in that.
You're measuring the voice notes. You're like, okay. Yeah, oh,

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definitely. Definitely, yeah. It's actually been a lie detector. I just didn't know it.
Guys, no, that's fine. It's fine. Stand down.
They're like at the ready with their guns. They are, yes. Every week.
When's the last time you used a fucking electric knife nah i
don't think ever like the things that you carve a turkey with right is that

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a turkey right that's what i'm thinking like i've used it on a
turkey that's about it i don't i don't think i'm gonna cut up
a body with a fucking electric knife right you don't think i don't think yeah
i just think i would get something you know a little more sturdy i i don't know
like an axe i mean it's just something and then he seemed pretty quick that
that didn't work but you know this is when he decided well i'm just going to keep them anyway.

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I'm going to keep them under the floorboard. I'm going to pull them out.
I'm going to have my fun with them.
And he was kind of hooked on that. He would keep pulling them out,
getting himself off and putting them back.
And he did this for, like I said, eight months.
That is disgusting to think about.
There was one part in his book where he mentions when he first left and came

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back, he had had Steven in the bed and he laid in bed beside him and he was
planning on doing something sexual or whatever.
But when he touched him, Steven had gone cold because he'd been there for a couple hours.
And Dennis mentioned that he couldn't get hard. He couldn't get himself up, which I was like, okay.

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So like the fact that the body was cold was a
turnoff not the fact it was dead he liked that part but that it went cold he
was like uh because you know i i was like when i read that i was like so performance
anxiety but then i'm like but who you're performing for yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah he's like explain it to him he's like you're just so pretty oh god.

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This guy has a real like small
pocket for what's going to work for him apparently yeah you'd be like not living
but also warm enough right like you need to appear to be living i don't know
i don't know what it is like if you want somebody's dead it is it it is like

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i I just don't understand how you,
like, where's the Venn diagram, you know? Like, it just doesn't work out.
You can't be warm and dead, right? Right.
It doesn't work out. So I don't know what this guy's looking for. He's got.
I don't think, I don't think he fucking knows what he's looking for.
No. Because like I said, he planned on getting in there and,
you know, fucking putting on some Marva Gay and just going to town.

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But as soon as it got, you know, it was cold, he was like, I'm out. I can't do it. Right.
But, but man, when you, so if, if, if you ever decide, which you probably shouldn't,
cause it's really disturbing his book, um,
he really like talks about these bodies
like they're the most beautiful thing in the world like he loves every
time he gets like a a victim he's like they're so beautiful and i just couldn't

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stop staring at him it's like he like admires them right and so he in his head
tells himself later on that like nobody's appreciated them the way he has i
mean granted they're dead but he still believes that like he has given them
this affection that nobody else could it's really.
Twisted yeah yeah is that narcissist i don't know but probably there's other

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words for this guy probably i god yeah that might be the least of his problems
yeah what is it when you uh is it,
necrophilia that's what yeah yeah yeah and necrophilia
is i think actual sex with the body which he's doing just about that like i
don't think he actually has sex but everything else like you know so yeah fuck

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it let's just say it yeah now i talked about andrew ho right i talked about
him got away yep got away cops didn't take him seriously they were like you're gay get out.
And i've seen some real quick i've seen some conflicting things
about the laws because remember i said it was illegal yes now
i've seen other reports say it's not it was not illegal it was like decriminalized

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in like 67 but that it was still just frowned upon so i mean whatever doesn't
matter so kenneth octon was his next victim and this guy was a canadian tourist,
now they spent the day together they kind
of you know met hung out they hit it off again dennis

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was getting along with a lot of these guys like they fucking liked him he probably
could have fucking just had relationships if he
wanted right yeah yeah and they ended up back
at his place you know getting drunk and listening to
music well dennis was one of
these that he had to listen to music like with headphones he would say oh you
know you can't listen to this record without headphones you just won't you won't

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get to appreciate it yeah yeah right so he had his like his like fucking airpods
or whatever um yeah 1979 airpods it's just fucking huge.
Like those tubes you know like the big like uh looks like a fucking uh like
the horn called yeah the big horn yeah yeah yeah yeah dickhead well so while

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kenneth was listening to music,
here comes fucking dennis up behind him strangles him and the difference is
with him is he actually finishes the strength like he holds it until he thinks
that kenneth is dead he doesn't do the drowning. You're not doing any of that shit.
But what he does do is he gets on the bed and he pulls Kenneth up on top of him.

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And they're face to face and he's talking to him and then starts,
you know, jerking off or whatever, like humping him or something like,
you know, whatever, until he gets done and then he's out.
Now, this guy, so Kenneth actually had a bunch of people looking for him.
There was actually a big search party.
He was reported missing. He was like all over the news for a little bit because

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he had been in contact with family like every day.
So I think this is where Dennis knew he fucked up.
And that he kind of changed his target for his next victims, right?
He did not go after somebody that he knew would have a big following, right? Okay.
Do you think it could have worked out that he just like role played or something like that?

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Like is role play not, was it not invented back then?
I mean, I don't know, man. Can you just pretend to be dead?
You know, like you don't think that they, you know, I don't know.
Maybe they wouldn't have gone along with it. Like, no, you're a freak.
And I don't, I don't know. know but it's so
i feel like he could have avoided a lot
if he doesn't like the murder could have

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just said like hey just just lay there for me would you
just yeah yeah you know let me put your makeup on and
make you you know pale and gross and whatever and then god we can go to like
we can go to the sizzler for a nice like shrimp cocktail or something like that
how would you do how would you feel if like if you knew so like let's say this

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guy like lives in the neighborhood You know, like he, he likes that shit. Right.
He's like, I want my, my sexual partners to pretend to be dead.
I'm going to put makeup on them. I'm gonna make them really just grotesque.
And then I'm gonna get off. Right.
And then he asked you to come over and he's like, oh my God,
I won't even have to put makeup on you. You're perfect. Oh, wow.

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Like, even though you weren't going to go in the first place, you're like, cool.
Emotionally destroyed. Yeah.
You start working out going outside you're like this guy fucking ruined me like
you had no intention of ever being with this dude ever but you're like fucked up now,

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emotional damage so so fucked up the next person so he goes after this is this kid martin duffy Duffy.
Now this kid was only 15 and he kind of had a like learning disability and I
think like some behavioral issues and so much to the point that he had a designated

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like psychiatrist that he's seen.
And this psychologist or psychiatrist was more like a parental unit because
he didn't really have a family.
Now she came to find out that Duffy was actually good at cooking.
And so So the therapist, you know, bought him like a new, like a brand new knife

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set and like hooked him up with this cooking school.
It's like kind of getting him back on track. Right. Which is awesome.
So now he's waiting at the train station to go to the school and he fucking runs into Dennis.
And it's like, man, fuck dude. Like you think 30 minutes more without seeing
this guy, you'd have been off into a new life. Right. And you run into this asshole.

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It just, you know, you walk by people every day. You have no fucking idea.
You know, it's, it's weird. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's just having a little scare myself this week with some stuff,
some some health concerns for a family member.
It's just so wild how your life is just your life is normal until it's not,
you know, you just never you never sit around and think, well,

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that could be me, you know, and obviously, unfortunately,
for these victims, it's like they didn't they they didn't even have a chance
to think about it would be my guess.
Right you know like the guy that's being strangled probably had
about 10 seconds to think like i wish i never met this guy what
the fuck is going on before it's all over but i
mean to look at it from our perspective it is certainly it's crazy it's great

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life is so random like it just it's i think you said it perfectly it's normal
till it's not right and remember when we covered uh israel keys and during his
interviews he like would talk about breaking into these houses and like taking people hostage.
And he laughed and he was like, you know, people always think it won't happen
to them. And he's like giggling and shit.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, you don't think that, but you can't,

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if you're going to survive, you can't, you can't be thinking about that every
day, live a normal life. Right.
Cause there are people that do that. There are people that, you know,
that's, they obsess about it. And I don't think they enjoy life very much.
No, no, they have bunkers and shit. Yeah. No, you know, I, you know,
I like to put myself like in the middle. Like I'm always like,
Like I know something could happen.
And so I'm kind of like, okay, but I still enjoy your life. You know, like I don't give a.

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Like it's like in the Israel keys situation, like with this guy,
Dennis, now he fools them into hanging out and drinking with them.
And it's more like a romantic thing. So their, their guard is way down.
Yeah. I mean, that's not with Israel keys. I mean, he busted up in your house
and took you hostage. I mean, that's a whole different ball game. Yeah.
But so with, with Duffy, you know, he runs into Dennis and Dennis invites him

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over for like drinks and listen to music and shit like that.
And, you know, he has a couple of drinks and, you know, he gets a little drowsy.
And in this weakened state, he kind of passes out and there you go.
I mean, Dennis is right back up to his shit, you know, gets on top of him,
strangles him and puts him under the floorboard. Right.

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So now at this time, so he's got now he's still got Kenneth.
Right. And he's still got Steven.
Yeah. He's got this other one and he's got all these people under the floorboard. Right. No way.
I just imagine that when he's done with one, he went and got another,
but he's. No, he's got them all.
Collecting them. collecting them and it's got to be just horribly
disgusting right yes how does he

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get people into his house when it probably smells like an unwiped asshole
i have no idea now he did say that he
would like have to spray the house and
like put deodorant stuff down there but it's like that still is not going to
be enough dude i'm not going to make a comment about you know bad
breath and all that shit but like yeah i mean who knows
like he can make up some fucking excuse and just say oh it's you

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know this or it's that or it's this fucking septic or
you know and if you're 15 and you
got a learning disability you're like okay as far
as the other one like kenneth like i don't know how he fucking fell for it unless they get
drunk beforehand and you're just kind of like oh it stinks dude what the fuck
yeah but so at one point he's got all three of them and he he he knows he's
got to get rid of them so he he pulls them all out one night and he's he's just

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got them all laying on the floor and and i just try to put myself in this scene
right like he's got three dead bodies on the floor.
He's drinking rum, right? And he would jerk off, looking at the bodies,
drink some more rum, do it again.
It was kind of like rinse and repeat. Like he just, until he could figure out
what he wanted to do. And yeah, right.

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It's just a typical friday night right yeah just
like i'm you know sitting there like you know what
like a friday night like i got my feet up i'm on the couch you
know dogs there i'm like it's my friday night this guy's got three dead bodies
and he's chugging rum and masturbating like
and to him that's that's his life that's normal
like that's my life you did say that

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he kind of leaned into it at one
point right he's just like this is who i am this is what i like right
oh yeah right as soon as that first kill happened
he did say once he
found out that he was like sexually aroused by all this he was
like well there's no turning back now this is who i am like it's it's
like he gave into it you know you know like and here's

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the thing too these so a couple of them are minors right yeah
i mean the first one the first one was 14 yeah and
then you just said this guy was 15 right yeah i wonder if
a it's because i think i've seen pictures of him
and i know he looks like stephen king yes
he does okay i was like
who the fuck does this guy look like that is right on point dude okay so even

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king but he doesn't look like a big dude you know so i i would imagine you know
if he walked up to you and you're like oh this is a handsome fellow but there's
no fucking way i'm gonna be able to strangle this dude because he's gonna knock me.
The fuck out right yeah i mean i think he picks his yeah you're right yeah he's
a real drunk too sure yeah but i mean even drunk i think you know you'd probably

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still fuck him up right well yeah if anything you're all fucking hopped up on
grain alcohol and you just.
Like bro you picked the wrong dude like i don't get sleepy i get fucking angry,
i just did a fucking eight ball before this,
would you like to listen to some Tchaikovsky on my whole phone no I don't want

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to fucking punch a hole in the wall bro.
Slam it beat his ass on my tables of turn Dennis,
i want to rip a phone book in half and shove it up your ass,
he's screaming he's like not like this not like this,

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you're the victim motherfucker like oh god dude imagine that oh how great would
that have been to stop that just to find somebody that was like but again you
know i hate calling these people smart but he probably knew his limitations
of course and was like i'm not gonna you know like Like maybe he did find somebody attractive.
It was like, there's no way I'm going to be able to put this, you know.

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Well, and because not all of them were young, right? Like Andrew Ho was a businessman.
Kenneth Ogden was older. I mean, he was like 26.
And so like, I think he knew what he was doing.
And he would like say, okay, they look like, and again, the lure of,
you know, sexual companionship, your guard is way down.
And so with Kenneth, like he had the headphones on, he was super drunk.

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And all of a sudden dude comes up behind them with a fucking you know rope and just starts.
You know that's a hard thing to you know you don't expect it you're
you're real loose you're real you know boom and then it's just
happening before you know it and it's like fuck like and everybody
thinks too i think everybody thinks oh if this happened to me i'd do
this but when it actually happens yeah it's

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like you freak out like your first instinct is to
grab that rope and pull when that's really not what you should be doing at
all like you're not going to get the rope off your neck you know so yeah
hey so it seems like you have
some insight into this and considering here we are
talking about it what should we do chris help us
out oh if somebody starts choking you yeah you said

(29:58):
they shouldn't grab the rope and i'm immediately waiting for
what i should do and you're like no you can die by
the rope motherfucker just so i'm
like i'm getting i'm being choked right now and all
that's going through my head is don't grab the rope don't grab but meanwhile
i'm doing nothing else chris has left me to die like
chris told me don't grab the rope so i'm just like i'm

(30:18):
thinking you go for their eyes right thumb in the eye you go for the
eye okay you know you drop like now if you're standing up the whole thing is
to drop like you sit down and that gets the the kind of weight distribution
off of like from pulling on your neck and then you can you know slide out but
if i think he was sitting down right so that's even worse like you know you're
sitting on the on the chair and a guy comes up behind you i and

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this is just me, like there's probably a hundred ways to do that,
but I'm thinking you've put a thumb in that motherfucker's eye.
Right. And then try to loosen it up that way. But I just don't think you're
going to be strong enough to just pull that rope.
You know, somebody is pulling behind you. You've got no ground to stand on.
You're sitting, you're sitting.
So there you go, guys. Stab, you know, jab their eye out. Go. Okay.
If you can reach, if the rope is close enough to you to, you can't see me right

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now, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to poke behind me.
And honestly, my range of motion right now, my ROM is not to the point.
I don't think I can hit an eye right now. You don't think you get the eye right
now? I don't think, I don't think, I think I might have to twist.
I don't know. I got some, I got some tight shoulders right now.
It might have a lot to do with it.
Here's another thing, guys. Stretch, stretch. If you're going to a strange person's
house and it smells like dead body,

(31:24):
get, work the hammies work the glutes you
know do a couple toe touches before you
walk in there this is just just almost that
you might have to hit the ice i'm gonna follow up with this we're gonna
have to record this okay we're gonna do we're gonna go through some scenarios
with the ropes and we're gonna figure this out all right for you guys because
then i'm thinking maybe you stick your hands up you know like to in the sides

(31:47):
and you just just extend your arms straight up to get that pressure off your
neck and then like pull them down on top of the rope you know so like
the ropes under you so i don't know we can fuck with it let's you
know let's one uh one night we'll get a rope and some beers and we'll have some fun
so it's only a good time safety word
we need a safety word my friend pineapple express a

(32:09):
shorter one too please shorter he
said it sounds like pineapple but he didn't get it all out i'm not
sure he really meant it i think he wants me need to pull tighter yeah
oh man god
i like it let's do it we're gonna do a little clinic we're gonna do a video
clinic it's gonna be on the patreon and if you want to not die by being strangled

(32:34):
with a rope then you're gonna fork over that 599 and you're gonna watch the
video we got your back guys like
we got you yeah we're looking out for you that's all this is for Also,
you're going to witness Chris murdering me on camera.
It's going to be fun.
This is going to be exhibit A.
All right so so this so he's got the three bodies out he's you know he masturbates

(33:00):
so yeah and then he decides okay so he starts what he does is he he does cut him up and then he boils,
parts of him to try to you know boil his skin down and he basically puts them
in like bags and places them in different areas around the house still like
under some of the floorboards and stuff like that.

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And then what he does that's really gross is takes some of the organs and he
puts them in bags and then he's got a fence in the backyard that backs up to
woods and he pushes them through the fence so that animals will come by and
just eat them and get rid of them.
Wow. Disgusting, but kind of clever, right?
I mean, it's just... I guess. The amount of effort that you have to go through

(33:44):
for this is just... To me, it's just ridiculous. Like...
Like, do you need, like, I don't get it, man. Like, there are some people that
go through their, like, decades of their lives without, like,
about having sex at all, right? You know?
And you're telling me this guy can't just, like, control himself?
Like, I get it. This is the only thing that gets me off. Well, I have an idea.
Just stop getting off, then. Don't get off. That's, that's. Thank you.

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That's the answer, right? Thank you. You know, it's like, God forbid,
like, you had some sort of, like, mental.
Listen, we are very open here to whatever your sexual things are, right?
Yeah, we don't judge you young, right? right don't yuck your yum right but if
you if you come up to me and like bro i'm really into 14 year old kids i'd be
like you have a fucking problem you know like god damn it dude every time every

(34:29):
time i'm about to take a fucking drink i'm just not gonna drink the rest of the show.
What was the first one i wish i could remember what it was but i don't even
know yeah but i mean if you said like if you said like you're into like pedophiles
you're kind of like i'd be like then you need to stop this like you that's that's
a problem in our society we're not we don't you You know,
if you want to travel back to, you know, like 200 B.C.

(34:51):
Greek Greece or something where maybe that was acceptable. Like,
yeah, fine. We don't do that here.
So what do you Epstein? Jesus. Yeah.
But so like you just I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm sorry that you're very attracted.
Maybe you're attracted to like young people or something like that.
But you just you can't act on that. Right. Like there might be there's probably
something wrong with your brain.
Don't act on that. You don't just say, well, this is who I am.

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I'm going to start doing my thing.
You know, so same thing with this guy. like i get it you've come to
the conclusion that you like dead bodies well you
know again and that's where i was kind of coming out from before like
get somebody to role play that shit it might take
you a few tries you know get like a fucking get like a
sex doll or something like something kill that motherfucker or
and this is crazy maybe see a therapist i

(35:36):
don't know like that work like feel like hey it's really fucked up thing like
can you help me get through this and yeah you might end up in an asylum at that
point if you fucking say that like in what is it like 1970 scotland they're
like oh okay see if we can work it they're like hitting the button under the
desk two orderlies come out you're like okay.

(35:57):
That's true yeah you might be fucked but i mean yeah
you're right like just you're right the worst part here
is you don't get to get off wow boohoo yeah
yeah and i'm actually out of time and energy like
he sounds like we've we've said he sounds like an articulate
person maybe he's into like art and he's obviously in art
and music and all that shit like channel that energy into

(36:18):
something positive instead of no i need to
murder people so i can fucking below my load
right dang dude just go some time man like
you can't you know just because you can't do that like that's the first world
problems there bud yeah yes you know i mean god we all
suffer i've went hours without before so like i i get it jesus christ if you
if you need a pause right now to go take care of business oh i don't pause i

(36:41):
don't pause i just yeah okay we're good we're good if i notice that if if you're
just really if i'm ranting if i notice So then I'm ranting and you're not responding.
Like I should probably just keep, keep covering, keep covering.
You're like, God damn. He's let me talk about this for a solid four minutes
without saying anything.
And we're back talking to, no, I'm talking about Venice. All right, guys.

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So where are we at? Part two. Hold on. Let me get you some water.
Oh man. So the next, so we, he's got, there's, there's about seven other victims.
That he talks about at some point but he doesn't
give too many details after these three main ones he
only remembers little you know bits and pieces about him now there

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was one you know like one was like he remembers being
like a tall like irish laborer but he
doesn't remember much about that he said
there was one that was like a long-haired hippie between like 25 and
30 that he just met you know
out of the bar you know so he doesn't
he said he just was kind of in like a trance at

(37:48):
this point like he just kept doing this shit and he
didn't you know he would be super drunk so he couldn't give too many details
there is one that the details kind of freak me out like they're just wild like
like everything else in this fucking story but in 1981 he said he met a English
skinhead who was like 20 years old and that this kid was like.

(38:11):
You know, like a tough guy, like, you know, just had like all these like crazy
tattoos and was talking about how like he's like violent and just likes to beat people's ass.
And, you know, just one of those kinds of guys. And that, you know,
Nielsen got him back to the house, promise him like, you know,
a bunch of booze and like some good food and shit like that.
And he got him super drunk, strangled him and he actually hung him naked in

(38:38):
his bedroom for like two days and then before he like got rid of the body.
Yeah again like we just said you said like where
do you find like i i why do you how do you find time for this dude
like we yeah we do a podcast right and
i'm like we we scratch out time for this yeah you know
i i can't imagine if i had to like cut up

(38:58):
bodies and hang them from the fucking ceiling and and you
know burn them and shit like that like because you know
he ended up burning these bodies it's like who the fuck has time for
that shit what was he doing what was his job at
this point because i know he worked for the police department for a little while profile yeah
so this is when he is working for the state at a
uh recruitment place so he was helping people like find jobs oh

(39:20):
that's right that's right okay he's a state employee so a
piece of shit wow nice yeah i throw all the
shade nice i mean just
yeah he's like i can leave and just do whatever i
want to go kill people yeah i was just wondering i mean obviously
like america is different i don't want to say like work
ethic but like we're just like work workaholic assholes.

(39:41):
That'll like drive ourselves into the ground to you
know a lot of us anyways but europe isn't
quite like that right that i don't even know if nine to five
is a thing over there they take naps in the middle of the day some of
these countries you know yeah that's true yeah he's my midday siesta
sure sure i don't germany does it like even these
are very industrious people but they'll they'll take

(40:02):
a little like their lunch break they'll go and take a little nap oh man dude
my favorite thing about germany was like uh the place
i was staying at the family it was like coffee and cookies like every
like lunchtime like around one o'clock it was like coffee and
cookie time and i was like oh my god this is amazing like
i was like i don't ever want to leave i did i'm
back here unfortunately but i think we should

(40:24):
institute it here let's bring it back coffee
cookie time yes well then all right mouthwash
coffee and we're gonna make the world a better
place coffee cookie and banter merchants
yeah all right cool cool and spontaneous masturbation apparently um so that

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was i mean i don't know you never know man whatever the day brings well that's
the spontaneous part right yeah yeah it could be spontaneous anything you know.
Now, he only stayed at this place for another year.
And his last victim where he was this flat he was staying at was Malcolm Barlow. He was 23.

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And now this kid, he was orphaned. He had epilepsy.
And I think he had found him in a really bad state.
He was really tired. And I think his medicine was making him real drowsy.
And he actually, Dennis like helped him, like got him back to his,
you know, his house and like called, you know, the emergency services,

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got them to, you know, kind of pick them up, help them, you know, deal with his stuff.
And Malcolm ended up coming back, you know, because like I said,
he didn't really have a family and he ended up killing Malcolm.
He ended up strangling him and drowned him and doing all that shit.
But the difference with this one is he didn't, he wasn't like infatuated with him.
He didn't want this guy. like he more looked at him like a

(41:54):
fucking nuisance like he's like his fucker keeps coming around and so
instead of like having that conversation where you're like hey please
don't come around anymore it's like i'm just gonna fucking murder him right
yeah yeah now he claims that he now he did move after this okay so he claims
that he wanted to stop that he he knew that he shouldn't be doing this stuff

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like fucking shocker there right and that he's like okay i i gotta fucking maybe
a change of scenery, maybe something like that.
So he moved to a new place that didn't have like the backyard garden and the
fence. And he lived on the top floor this time.
And so he thought, okay, I can't just invite these people in and put them under
my floorboards and fucking stick their bodies through fences and have fires.

(42:39):
So this will be harder. So it'll stop me from doing this.
It did not, in case you were wondering. It did not. He just found different ways of doing it.
I'm guessing right right yeah okay yep okay now we're
all the victims also like interested
in him yeah like the

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even the the english punk rocker so he was also gay
you mean the skinhead skinhead yeah i
i just yeah i just imagined like he was
kind of down and out and i think he got him back with just the
promise of food and alcohol okay i don't think
there was a sexual attraction with that one so some of them there are a lot
of them there are but some of them are just down and out like he

(43:21):
finds ones that are you know poor or orphaned or you know living on the streets
and and in his mind he actually thinks he's doing some of them a favor like
their life sucks so i'm just gonna take care of it for him which is very fucking
just what a way to think right yeah like oh i'll deal i'll help you out i'll
just murder you uh your life is trash so.
Wait and just real quick if if

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that's what he really thought like if you really thought hey i'm helping these people
right by doing it he obviously doesn't like his
own life right like he obviously has this
issue and he wants to stop doing this so like why don't you kill yourself like
i yeah yeah yeah yeah you're so fucking you know
charitable and fucking you know whatever yeah
do the world a solid right no shit right like

(44:04):
you know your life sucks kill you like i don't know like if
that's what you think you're doing you're so good at it yeah he's got
it down to a science asshole yeah no
i was just wondering because i just i know how and again
different cultures and whatever i i know how i am when i'm out and about at
a bar whether it be drinking or whatever you know just getting something to

(44:26):
eat i i'm not taking an invite from somebody that's weird or not even weird
even just like hey you want to come back to my place and have some like
some drinks i don't know i'm like no you're
like no that's good that's why i'm here you know if i want to
drink in somebody's house it'll be my own house not not yours yeah well and

(44:48):
so i think the older ones so like this next one he's 24 like kendith was in
his 20s i think those are the ones that there's like a sexual attraction and
the younger ones that are like 16 20 you know like.
They're broke you know they're poor and he's
like i've got alcohol at the house like we can go drink you know they're like
fuck yeah you know they're kids they're like yeah yeah i want to get drunk you know

(45:09):
sure and they're especially the ones that are homeless they're like absolutely you
got fucking food and beer like i'm in okay yeah
i mean i get it those things i get some of the other ones maybe
not so much right right right right and again
it's the 80s so yeah i i don't
know if it's just a little more common to be like hey man like yeah bar's about to
close let's go keep getting drunk you know and and you're in

(45:29):
that mind frame you know you're like sure i mean fuck and a
lot of these bars that he went to were were you know known gay bars
too so like obviously that oh okay yeah that was
like kind of you know wink wink you know what we're gonna do kind of thing yeah
okay just trying to put like myself in their shoes and trying to understand
you know because i don't absolutely i'm just like no no i don't want that you

(45:50):
know yeah i i've done it maybe like once or twice where you kind of like hit
it off with like a couple you know there's like you know you and your,
you know, significant other or wife, whatever, and just hanging out.
And all of a sudden, you know, you're talking, it's like, oh,
well, you know, we can go,
you know maybe you live in the same apartment complex or something like that
and it's like oh yeah pop over i'll bring the beers or something like that i

(46:11):
get it but you know naturally yeah.
You see pineapples on the front door you're like trying to say it
without saying it but but still i
think it's still like on guard you know especially if you just
met these people i don't think i would do it if i just met them but if
it's somebody like regulars that you might see at the bar like i said you kind of
see them in your apartment complex i'm like all right sure sure

(46:32):
they seem normal enough but still yeah you're keeping you're
keeping your head on a swivel you know yeah well it's
like yo meet me down at the pool or something like that like it's not like coming to
my apartment and yeah yeah i don't know
so yeah it's just it's difficult and again
it could just be a cultural thing you know maybe it's more normal for
them to do that in in scotland or european countries or

(46:52):
something like that yeah i mean maybe maybe yeah we're just
um we're just such fucking assholes over here like i
love it yeah that is one thing cultural differences
i i do one thing i always remember when we were in germany like if
you're sitting at a like a table like at a bar and let's say you know you go
in the restaurant you're gonna order some food but you're sitting at a table
with you know six chairs or some shit like that it's just you and one other

(47:14):
person it is very common for people to come in and they're gonna sit them right
next to you like same table where that i don't know that shit would not fly
here at all you know yeah yeah even me i I was like, the fuck?
You know, like, I mean, but you know, you kind of a dad, you're like,
all right, that's cool. Like, I mean, they're not worried about your conversation.
I don't give a fuck. But, and the food was so good. I was just like,

(47:36):
I'm just going to eat. I don't really care.
But so his next victim, 1982, John Howlett.
So this was his first victim at the new, the new address, like the new place.
And just like we just said, met him at a pub, you know, got drunk,
invite him back to his flat and, you know, got him drunk enough that he passed out.

(47:56):
And, you know, he woke up actually while being strangled and,
you know, I guess try to fight back and it was just too late.
And then Nielsen took him and drowned him by holding his head underwater, right? In the bathtub.
And that was like his, his thing. He just wanted to make sure they were dead
and he would drown most of these victims.
Now his way of getting rid of the body this time was he did dismember the

(48:20):
body and what he started doing was cutting it like cutting the body up and flushing
just pieces down the toilet what and then he would take like the larger pieces
like large bones he like put it out with the trash.
And I just, you know, I, I listen, I've never thought about like,
what would I do if I had, you know, had to hide a body?

(48:41):
I don't think I would do that. Like, I don't think I'm flushing it.
That's just me. I don't, I don't really know what I would do, but not that.
Yeah. And especially I'm thinking like, what, like you just said,
1980s, like, you know, I don't really think the, the, the fucking toilet,
you know, technology is as good as it is now.
Like you're, you know, yeah it's working crazy good like that like

(49:03):
told us now you could flush a fucking puppy down
if you had to like get out
he puts his head up he's like he's got plans not that you would you know but
yeah yeah no i i don't know but i mean i guess i guess he's got he's got to conceal it somehow i

(49:30):
mean you think he's thinking about it
beforehand you think he's well i'm in this new
place what am i going to do or
does he is he just so like like lust
blind that he commits these horrible
crimes and then it's like what do i do now what do i do now you know i i don't

(49:52):
know i don't know if he goes out with a plan or yeah i don't know i definitely
there's no way i would have thought toilet not in a thousand years but i've
thought i'll just start flushing it no absolutely not absolutely not.
Does he have a car? Yes. Yeah.
You know, I mean, he can like drive the body somewhere, you know,

(50:12):
go out to the woods. Yeah.
I don't get it. I don't know if it's, and I want to say like,
I don't want to say lazy because he's obviously not lazy, but like, it's just, I don't know.
And I don't know this too, if maybe after the fact, right.
So like he does whatever he does and commits this like nasty ass sexual act.
And then it's like, oh, well, the motivation is gone. on like you

(50:34):
know i don't really want to do anything now like yeah like
i don't really want to work for it anymore and he
did say one thing what'd he say so later on after he
gets caught and he's like writing this memoir he says
about the victim he says the victim is the
dirty platter after the meal and he's
talking and this is like how he describes you know these

(50:55):
acts and that maybe i was like it took me i was like
thinking about that like what does that even fucking mean but like the victim
is like the cleanup after the meal like it's you know dismembering the body
and doing a lot of stuff like that's that's when i actually see him as victims
like until then they're you know
being fucking whatever you don't call it like adored you know his eyes,

(51:16):
but yeah like what was that that post-nut clarity you know now he's like yeah
he's like i don't really want to do anything now i just want to flush down the
toilet like this is a whole body he's just sticking out of the toilet. Yeah.
That's not going to work. Come on, man. If you would have kept them alive,
they could have left. You know, like, okay, bye. I know.

(51:39):
It's the best part. You've got to get rid of me, dumb fuck. I feel like this story has the most,
like questions about this person's psychology holy shit
yeah you know like i don't think i've ever been so wrapped up
into trying to understand what's going on in this dude's mind maybe you should
read his book you probably should i i was literally about to say like you know

(52:01):
it's i don't know though fucking eye opener like i don't know if i want to spend
that much time inside this dude's brain you know i mean yeah yeah you could
read like but it again it's crazy
how well-spoken he is like he's very
you know eloquent or whatever you
know whatever you want to say it but like articulate yeah he's very good like
he and it's just wild to be reading this shit like he's super fucking dramatic

(52:24):
and and you know he should have been a fucking you know poet or some shit but
instead he's getting his rocks off over dead bodies so everybody's got their
thing gotta watch out for those artists man they're always on the verge of insanity hell yeah Yeah.
Yeah. If you're fucking creative or something like that, like fuck out of here. Oh, you write stuff.
You musicians, all that. I'm like, don't go near him. No, hell no. Podcast.

(52:51):
The pinnacle of creation podcast. That's right.
The fucking top of the mountain here. Chris just walks around in skinny jeans
and a beret. Just so you guys know that's his, that's his look.
If you're walking around Somerville and you see a guy, he's
got a scarf on black skinny jeans black like really deep v uh long sleeve black

(53:13):
yeah yeah yeah and he's got the parade in the long cigarette you know what is
what is your medium you you You're definitely an artist. I talk about dicks online.
This is a penis podcast.

(53:38):
I don't know why I'm French. Why am I French? I don't know.
Artistic people are just French. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah.
Your American accent is very good, though. It's almost perfect. Spot on.
Hey, it's a penis podcast. You know, like, oh, wow. You sound real American.
But yeah, give me some ketchup, guys.

(53:58):
For these French fries.
Oh, God. Anyways. So watch out for them artists.
And go read the book but anyway yeah to to the
original point is it's just i think
it's just so bonkers for me you know like what's
going on it's got like israel keys sure like he's a psycho you know and there's

(54:20):
some weird stuff too like how he kind of phases in and out that he's worried
about his daughter but he's also going to you know horrifically murder people
like yeah there's some weird kind
of misunderstandings there but with this guy you know i just feel like.
He should have snapped out of any it apparently kind of does
by moving and like i'm gonna i'm gonna clean up
my my act i guess but i don't i don't know

(54:42):
well i think the biggest difference with him is you
could tell he didn't actually i and i this is just
my belief i don't think he liked the killing part i think
it was the necessary thing he had to do to get
the dead body i don't think he actually enjoyed killing him
because you take the drowning part like when he strangled him
enough to pat like they would pass out and then he's like well i gotta make sure

(55:02):
they're dead he didn't actually want to sit there and keep strangling them
he's like let me put them underwater because to me that is the
least violent way to do it like yeah very you don't want to actually kill people
but you need that body like you need that that control and that like you know
to get off or whatever the fuck you know it is but yeah it's really weird like
you know with israel keys like

(55:23):
he did not give a fuck who it was he wanted to kill he wanted that fear
in somebody, you know, that, that was dark as shit with this guy.
It was a necessary evil. He's like, well, this is the only way I can get off.
I suppose it's weird my problem is
i i keep trying to not to get away from the story too
much here but i i i try to categorize i

(55:44):
guess too much and i guess i really just have to look at this as like a spectrum
of just insanity you know like just different things are going to pop up and
different and i i try to put it in like well you know what you're doing but
you're doing it anyways versus like you're so far gone that you don't know what
you're doing but you know so So obviously you can't stop yourself.
And I kind of just try to put these two or three different camps when really

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it's just, you know, it's just the human brain is just, you know, not correct.
And it's going to. And it's a slow descent, too. I mean, it's not like he woke
up one day and was like, cool, I need a dead body.
Like, like, like, like, remember, we go through it like he, you know,
the grandfather, right, being dead, you know, and then the kind of fantasizing

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about like, you know, his army buddies, you know, as being dead.
And kind of getting off on that and dealing with the homosexuality part.
And then the picture, I remember with the old man holding a dead body. The raft of the Medusa?
Yeah. And then the morgue when he was working at the police department.
So he kept creeping in that direction, right? And he was like,

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and then looking at himself.
Remember he painted himself as a dead body. So he crawled into this.
And you got to think, I just went through those steps, what, in 10 seconds.
But these were years of this until he finally was like, all right, going for it.
Right? He had that moment of that kid was drunk. He was drunk.
It's like he didn't want to leave.
And it was like, that was that pinnacle turning point where he's like,

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okay, I've killed somebody now. I don't want this person to leave.
And not only that, but he wanted that total control.
It's not like he wanted enough to be like, hey, do you mind staying?
He wanted the total control of the dead body.
That's what he wanted. That's what got him off. It wouldn't even be if he just
stayed and was alive, that wouldn't have done it.
So yeah, it's weird, man. I don't think we're ever going to talk about somebody
and we're like, oh, they're completely normal. yeah yeah ever,

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But his, so we're going to, so his last victim at this place,
last victim period was a kid named Steven Sinclair and he was 23.
Now, again, this kid was kind of down and out. He was a heroin addict.
He was struggling with like places to live.
It kind of the same story as some of these, you know, younger ones.

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And when Dennis ran into him, you know, he kind of bought him some food.
Is so like he bought him like like a hamburger from like a like a
food kind of truck thing and then invited
him back and said hey you know come back to my house i
got more food i'll drink with you now when they got back there not only was
he drinking but he also started like shooting up he was doing heroin oh jesus

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so so he passed the fuck out and that was you know he was able to you know strangle
him pretty easily so you know don't do heroin at people's houses guys yeah,
yep or at all i mean i you know if you really want my
opinion don't don't tell people how to live their life chris that's
true that's true we are merchants of banter we are not parents of these okay

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that's right so if you listen if you just put your needle down pick that shit
back up live your life motherfuckers don't be a quitter yeah don't be exactly so.
So now you know he does the same shit right he starts like getting the body
put cut apart and And he's like trying to flush them down the damn drains.
Well, this started to cause a problem.

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Okay. Because now the building that he was living in started having fucking
surprise plumbing issues. Okay. And people were fucking complaining.
Yeah. Yeah. And people are like, what the fuck is going on? Like our toilets aren't flushing.
And so the landlord had to call in, you know, like a plumber,
like to come see what's going on.
Please, God, do not tell me that they're going to find these body parts.

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So so just gonna walk right by that one oh god so so now the first the plumber
goes out there and he couldn't really figure out what was going on like what was causing the problem,
so and i think this is on like a friday and so he's like listen i'm gonna have
to get more help like there's no way i don't know what this is i don't know

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what we're doing here i can't fix it so he needs his boss to come out well his
boss doesn't come out till until Monday.
So this is, you know, I'm thinking plumber gets out there Friday.
They probably complained about it like Wednesday, Thursday. Now it's fucking
Monday and nobody's toilets are flushing.
Like I would be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I rate.

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Yes. I mean, pissed. Like, are you kidding me?
Now, waiting up until Monday, Dennis decides he's going to go down there because
it was like this manhole that the plumber kind of went down and was like looking through.
So Dennis goes down there and he's trying to, quote unquote,
fix the problem himself. Right.

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And one of his neighbors keeps seeing him like go back and forth,
like all night, you know, for the whole weekend.
And what had happened was you called it.
I mean there's there's meaty flesh in the
pipes that is like caught up and the
the plumber actually thought it looked like you know
chicken or like somebody had been like flushing chicken down the toilets and

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actually says like hey is anybody like does anybody want to admit that they've
been fucking trying to flush food down the toilets now this is just me but like
if i'm dennis there and you know because you're dennis got the dog right he's
got bleep the dog remember
him oh i do yeah i'm saying yeah my
bad guys i yeah i'm flushing fucking chicken

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and dog food and shit down the toilets like i'm gonna go ahead and just jump
ahead of that and be like that's me um yeah so that's what it is it's chicken
i'm gonna leave like i'm leaving if i've done this and i know like there's dozens
of humans that i've been flushing down the toilet
you're gonna see me pop the old cap on and this is whistling with my suitcase.

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Enjoy the toilets if you want to keep anything upstairs that's
cool i got a couple ropes and whatever just whatever you know use them for batting
down the hatches and then i'm gonna go i'll see you guys in fucking vietnam
or some shit yeah exactly take a bleep and i'm getting the fuck out of here
yes i'm gonna try to fix it myself god now so monday gets there the the boss comes

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out and he looks through it and he identified, he's like,
listen, this looks like fucking human flesh.
And he actually finds like a finger and he's like, yeah. Okay.
So they immediately call the police. Police get out there. And it's pretty quick that all fingers.
No pun intended. Come on, dude. God, that was such an accident.

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I swear to God. Low hanging fruit right there, my man. God.
All the fingers point to Dennis. See, I was like 40. It was like 42 fingers pointing to Dennis.
Oh, my God. So the cops get a hold of him pretty quick. And they're basically
like, what the fuck? You know, where's the rest of the bodies?

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And they already kind of can tell like there's, you know, with what they saw,
we know there's more than just what is here.
Now, Dennis fucking, I mean, completely cooperates, fucking tells them everything,
leads them to the bodies, shows them where everything is, just doesn't hold back at all.
And I think when he was getting interviewed, like the official interview at

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the station, it was like 30 hours.
Whereas he talked like he just fucking told them everything kind of like,
again, you know, some of these serial killers, you know, very,
I mean, once they get caught like Ed Kemper, he's the same way.
He talked to talk and talked.
I almost wonder if this was in a way like a relief.

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Yes. Like, cool. Thank fucking God. Like now I could just hear,
I did all this shit. Get me the fuck into jail.
I don't want to do it anymore. You know? Yeah.
Now, this was not a very hard sentencing. Nobody took their sweet ass time.
He ended up getting eight life sentences.
And what they said at the time was a 25-year minimum, which I think is the equivalent

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of a possibility of parole.
And that was later changed to what they call over there, a whole life sentence,
which means, fuck that, you're never getting out.
And now, while he was in there, that's when he wrote his memoir.
It's called The Memoir of a drowning man and oh
boohoo get the fuck out it was

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a drowning man no not a memoir of
an absolute fucking piece of shit drowning man
and i'm like listen you drowned other people you motherfucker like yeah yes
yeah oh oh is that like a drowning man like he's no no no no no he is drowning
himself no it means two things it's he's doing the drowning but he's also drowning okay good

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wordplay point to the wordplay i'm telling you he's super he's he's good at
that but he's also very he's fucking he's like kind of a little bitch like he
always is the victim like,
when the way he writes is like you know poor him the way he grew up blah blah
blah like like motherfucker we all have some shitty childhood stories right
like calm the fuck down you're not special and but he does really make it that

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way man and it kind of blows your mind because you're Like he has zero remorse.
Like he did help the cops.
He did help him and give up all the information, but was not remorseful whatsoever.
And that's just kind of identifies with who he is. He's like,
well, I know what I was doing and I don't feel bad for him. You know, I love them.
I, you know, gave them all this affection.

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It's like, yeah, dude, but not really the kind they wanted. No.
So yeah so he it they got a
documentary on him it's it's pretty weird to hear
his voice he's got like a real creepy fucking voice so i can imagine i
mean there is so much shit yeah he sounds like he
looks okay yeah so if you
want to watch that you can i give you a list and you want to watch you know

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the book is very informative the documentary is very
informative have fun i what we
what we just told you i think is enough but if you want to
dig deep sleep oh spend a whole fucking night doing
that and have some fucking nightmares if you want that's some creepy
shit because he does go into detail about like some of the stuff with the
bodies and this gut-wrenching i feel

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like this dude should not have been allowed to write a book honestly so that
was a big i was i was debating getting that that was a big kind of deal that
went back and forth a lot of times whether that was going to be allowed to be
released and he actually had
to have somebody else you know take the writings and

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say it was all going to go to charity like they were not going to let him do this
because of like that law that you're you're probably thinking of where you
cannot capitalize off of you know your crimes kind of thing yeah so that was
a that's a very there's a whole i mean that could be a whole nother show like
all the details that went into that but he eventually did get it out and not
him himself but like a friend yeah how do you how do you have any friends i

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don't know but i know god well i mean he was.
Probably living a normal life you know somebody that worked in the office or
something like that that he yeah never invited
back up to his apartment that's true yeah oh also
bleep died like soon after that i just want to tell y'all the
dog yeah so the dog got taken to a like a shelter and they say you know just

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quickly died after that just by like the now the shelter says it was like you
know like sadness like died from being separated from you know his owner but
i I think they probably, you know, were like, fuck this talk.
I don't know. Dog didn't do anything. I know. But they're like,
you know, fucking weird ass dog. Like he was involved.

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Maybe he was. Yeah.
He's like humping the leg. Oh, God. They're both fucking weird.
Oh, man. Bringing other dogs back. Yeah.
We chose the victims. The victims also had dogs. That's so fucked up.
Yeah, we're doing a whole other episode.

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Music.