Ep.30 The Iceman: Richard Kuklinski

In this episode, we dive deep into the chilling world of Richard Kuklinski, a name that sends shivers down the spine. Known as "The Iceman," Kuklinski's journey from a troubled childhood to becoming one of the most feared contract killers for the mob is nothing short of terrifying.

We start with his shit upbringing in New Jersey, where abuse was a daily reality, shaping his dark path. As a young boy, Richard faced relentless torment from his father and the neighborhood bullies, but soon, the tables would turn. With a chilling sense of determination, Richard began to exact his revenge, leading to his first brutal murder. The taste of power was intoxicating, and it set him on a path of blood and vengeance.

As we follow Richard through the years, we witness his evolution into a cold-blooded killer. From his initial crimes to his induction into the notorious DeCavalcante crime family, Richard's reputation grew. His methods became more ruthless, and his targets more varied. Homeless individuals, gay men, and even a police officer fell victim to his insatiable need for control and dominance.

Through detailed recounts of his gruesome acts, we explore the mind of a man who found solace in chaos and death. Richard's encounters with the mob, his chilling experimentation with new ways to kill, and his ultimate rise to the top as a feared contract killer paint a portrait of a man who thrived on fear and violence.

Stay tuned for part two, where the bloodshed continues, and we dive even deeper into the terrifying world of The Iceman.

 

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Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Flea markets marketplace what was the other one or
if you're just building your own house you just take it and just fucking use
them in your own house you know you just you just saved like
fucking three thousand dollars on when you
build yeah that's true well yeah because
i went there was somebody that stole like i'm you
know i got skateboards everywhere and shit and i'd had this really nice

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fucking electric one and somebody fucking stole it
and you know because it was fucking like out
in like the little shed area and the first thing i
did was go to all these fucking like pawn shops looking for it because i thought you
know i mean they and like it the motherfucker has
like a remote that comes with it and shit so like they wouldn't be able to.
Do anything with it yeah it's you know like you're just carrying this
fucking 40 pound board you're like you know you're such a fucking crackhead

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you don't even know what to do with it so i'm thinking they probably pawned it
i just went looking and of course not so i don't know
and i did look on like facebook marketplace just
praying you know that i fucking could you know
like oh you're selling that like let's meet up and
buy it please you know absolutely i'll pay
i'll pay cash whatever you need yep jesus brass

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knuckles let's go right i
just i didn't think about the flea market though that's yeah it's
probably right but well uh
fucking wild fucking thieves fucking assholes which kind of is a good segue
into what we're going to talk about today day really yeah because i didn't even
tell you what we're going to talk about today did i didn't give you any kind

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of hint you you asked me you to i don't know if i was allowed to choose between.
It was it gay santa murderer that
was yes gay santa which which makes
her gay canadian i feel
like we've been hitting a lot of canadians but yeah um the

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santa i feel like santa would have made for a really good
halloween episode or a christmas episode i mean
yeah you know that's yeah i mean that's a
little obvious yeah yeah it's a good idea you it's it's
definitely a holiday episode yeah you
know what's fucked up i had a christmas one kind of queued up but that one's

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really sad so like maybe this one would be a better christmas one the other
one it's it's a really sad one this one's not like so are we doing are we doing
gay canadian santa right now no we are gonna do the ice man right now the ice man cometh.
Yep yep um we're gonna talk about richard kuklinski you ever heard of that name,

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no no okay okay yeah this guy's fucking wild dude so this will be a little bit
different so we've covered you know one-off killers and and serial killers and
just random crimes but this one's like,
this guy ended up working for the mafia like he worked for the mobs in like
new york and new jersey back in like the 50s and he ended up being like a fucking

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contract killer but he was so.
Fucking brutal and killed so many
people and it's like yeah he
did it for work but he also just did it to do
it like he would do it on the side so like he
was also a serial killer you know he liked what he did yeah yeah
he did he liked going to work every day he's

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like whistling on his way fix his tie you know
they say you don't work a day in your life when you love what you do and he
never worked sounds like the ice man he never
worked man and it's funny you say like he was all the way
whistling no he wasn't whistling but he did have this weird like click
thing he would do with his mouth like whenever he got
pissed off he'd be like like almost like

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a like a time clock like he's about to fucking lose his
mind yeah and so a lot of these people we cover you know like the different
behavioral personality issues whatever yeah so he was said to have like anti-social
personality disorder okay and this hit kind of close home to you huh.

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My guy my people you know what i always wanted to say in the beginning this
was like when i was like reading about him i was like you know there was there
was parts where i was like Like, oh, I see where this guy's coming from.
But I didn't want to say that because there's so many horrible things.
And you're going to be like, oh, yep, just like you, Chris.
Just like you. It's all lining up.

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This dude's reading this he's reading his own profile i get it except this guy's polish and so,
okay i don't know what that means i don't know i don't either i'm just gonna
agree with you polack stereotypes is that a thing well he so this this one of
the things with this personality disorder this anti-social is like it's like

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a no fear like you don't actually have fear of like
consequences and shit like that so you know
these are the guys that are doing like crazy jobs and fucking working
up on these you know super high beams and jumping out
of planes and just doing wild shit and for
the most part if you have this you you know
but you come from a decent family decent upbringing i mean you'd be

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fine you just you're just a little bit of a risk taker
right okay but if you
come from fucked up abusive families it
can go sideways a lot of
things can a lot of things can yeah a lot
of things can and you know fucking

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go figure this guy's upbringing was horrible
i mean yeah i'm gonna
put it up there with maybe the maybe the.
Worst one we've seen so far really yeah okay
yeah i mean
maybe i know israel keys was a little fucked up but

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i don't you say that a lot i don't think israel had
it quite so bad i feel he moved around a lot
his family was involved in some weird religious stuff
dirt poor sure but
i i definitely remember some of the people that way more like a
way more abuse in their life yeah as far
as it be it sexual other like non-sexual physical abuses there are definitely

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some people i have felt way worse for than than israel that's for sure now i
was remember the kid like i always bring up the kid in the wall the one thing
i do remember being so horrible about his was remember the psychiatrist
yes that is
yeah that's honestly when we think about that it's our first episode ever and

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i i always say when you think of bad upbringing he's always the one that i go
to yeah yeah that's all around fucking bad yeah all around so yeah you're you're
right i mean his was this guy's was really bad so.
You know apples apples whatever but so he
was born in new jersey and what's the

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name again just so i know the ice richard richard kuklinski
richard kuklinski yeah kind
of a cool name right yeah yes and so yeah
so he was born in 1935 so we're taking the the way
back time machine here okay now his
parents were stanley and anna and stanley

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was a fucking piece of shit
and this guy when i
say like abuse i mean it's like there should be a new word for what this guy
did because he would regularly beat the shit out of everybody in the house so
there's like three kids right because he had a younger sister and an older brother

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named florian and stanley would come home,
get shit face drunk and because you gotta think this
what 19 probably 45 at this time when he's thinking of this stuff as a kid and
he accused the the wife of cheating on him right and said that florian wasn't
his that florian wasn't his boy so he would beat her and then beat florian because

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he hated him because he was like, you know, you're not even my kid.
And he would also beat Richard so bad that Richard developed this kind of thing
where he would like, just hearing his dad's voice, he would piss his pants.
Whoa. And this would make his dad even more upset and he'd beat him some more.

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So, you know, you couldn't really fucking win in this situation.
Like you're getting beat no matter what.
Now the beatings got
so bad and i'm talking about like they go
into really a lot of detail when you watch like there's a documentary about
it there's a book about it that it gets really graphic but i'm not talking about
like slapping them around like no first of all none of this is okay but you

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would like you know like i'm like you know it was like he did worse than that yeah.
Oh god i i don't want to i don't
want to joke but so i won't that's fine i'm not
talking about your your average easy going
you know kicking down a flight of stairs you know

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this is you know just for
fun just to see how far they roll this yeah yeah this
got bad yeah of course right i'm not
talking about slapping like boys will be boys right you know you slap around a little
bit it but no absolutely not absolutely not
but no he would like i guess like
he would like take the belt and he would be hitting him and then

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he would wrap the belt around his hand and
just start punching him which i mean you're a grown-ass man
you're beating the shit out of your kids and and you still need
finger protection yes i know
wow right big old tough guy big tough stanley well one time it got so fucking
bad so he was beating florian he was hitting him in the back of the head and

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all of a sudden like he's hitting them and in florida's like getting back up
he's hitting him again and to the point that one time he just didn't get up.
And so he fucking killed his kid. Like he beat his kid literally to death. Wow.
Now, this was one of those things where like Richard recalls like this is what

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happened. I mean, he killed my brother.
But the family basically said like he turned to everybody.
It was like he fucking died falling down the stairs. Like that's what you're
going to fucking tell everybody.
And as a kid, you know, you're okay, dad.
Like i don't want you to fucking kill me too so sure
so this is this is him developing

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as a kid this is you know this is his childhood
growing up and this is kind of how he's seeing the
world right like just get your ass beat every day you are
terrified of your fucking father figure his mom
apparently what much better and it
just went on like this and i mean you watch your what you you
watch your fucking older brother die by your

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dad beating him in the head it can't be you know a great way
to fucking be a child right yeah no
i can't imagine that you would we've said this before at least i have i can't
imagine you'd give a shit about anything after this no hell no yeah like you
you literally can't get worse right death is the only thing probably worse would

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be my guess, as a kid. Maybe.
I mean, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's creative ways that
Dad could get to be an absolute worst piece of shit, but I mean,
you know, I just can't imagine anything being...
You're setting the bar pretty...
Pretty high to you know to be able to imagine something
worse than what you're living in at that point yeah yeah

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you're right and then so you know after this
happened i mean they went back to
normal life right just him still being an asshole now there's
down one kid it and the thing is like
richard he got it outside of the house too so he you know
where he lived he kind of was like a late bloomer so
this motherfucker ended up being huge but as

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a kid he was very small so it
took him a while to grow motherfucker ends up being like six five and like 300
pounds damn uh yeah like the worst person to be huge you know like it's like
you could have them you know a little under six foot like maybe give people
a fighting chance but no he ended up being a goddamn giant but while he

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was a kid he was still real small he's like kind of like a runt and so
some of the fucking kids in the neighborhood would beat the shit out of him
too and just you know call him like a dumb polack and fucking all kinds of shit
well one day so you know these two boys kind of corner him before he like he's
on the way home and they're picking on him they beat the shit out of him.

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And he comes home and i guess
his father kind of seen it you know stanley saw it and
he basically said listen you know
he beat his ass too when he got home and he said you're gonna go
back out there and you're gonna beat the fuck out of those boys like you're not
gonna you're not gonna be a pushover right so
this was like i don't know if he's trying to be a father figure or what the
fuck ever in a weird way yeah so richard's like fuck okay i'm more terrified

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of my dad so he goes back out there and he beats the shit like this was like
okay now i'm I'm going to be violent. And I think this is where it started.
So he beat the fucking piss out of these two kids. Right now.
I hate what's happening here because I know he's going to become a psychopath,
but I'm kind of rooting for Richard already.
Of course, of course you're rooting for little Richard's cool.
I'm rooting for a little Richard. I feel bad for little Richard.

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Little richard that was the first thing i thought too it's like he's a chris
he's a great musician can we get back to the story though i mean what a weird
sidetrack my guy this is fun this is fun uh song off the top of my head but
not a single one no no damn it all right.

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Now if i was if his name would have been little wayne i'd have been
fucking good to go but it yeah it's
different times so richard's beating
the fuck out of these boys right well the boy's dad i guess
saw the whole thing and so he comes out and he fucking gets in richard's face
you know richard's a kid and he's like you know pushing him he's like don't

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fucking you know fuck with my boys well at this point stanley sees this and
he like jumps out of the fucking
like you know house and comes running over
there and just one fucking punch
knockout beats like hits his dad and just
lays him out cold wow and so you know this is you know again we're just painting

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a picture this this is where richard grew up right now i i just want to point
out i don't think that this was one of those things where richard felt like oh okay like my
dad loves me he's being a dad i think it was more the way
he described it as you know nobody fucks with my stuff like this is my kid this
is my stuff you know it was more possessive not like hey buddy i care about

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you i don't want nobody to hurt you it's like you know i can fucking hit my
kid you can't hit my kid yeah yeah boundary issues yeah yeah yeah yeah like
ownership right Right. Yep.
So, you know, life goes on. Right. Stan keeps being a piece of shit.
And eventually he just gets worse and worse.
And he's like bringing fucking other women home from the bars and,

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and, you know, banging them in the fucking, you know, same houses where,
you know, the wife was fucking there. It was just horrible.
Right. And he just, one day just stopped showing up. He just kind of said,
cool, I'm done being a fucking dad. I'm done being a husband.
Well now the way Richard describes this is like his mom had to step up and work

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two jobs to you know kind of I guess support the household at the salon and
beating the shit out of him I get it no shit yeah well that was her third job
oh that was her third job okay yeah now that your father's gone the whole evening
just beating the shit out of you at least he used to do that for me but god damn it.

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She's like you selfish fucking kids i gotta do anything just went
out got a crock pot so just like turn it on in the morning just come
back for dinner because god knows she's not gonna
have the strength to do that after beating the shit out of everyone no right
exactly like i don't want to cook shit like you will phones and apparently she
didn't like they he said that there was never food like so what the way he remembers

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his mom after this was he said that she was like a cancer like Like she just was,
he said she was worse than, you know, Stanley, which I can't imagine,
but I think maybe it's because he was older and he was more upset about it.
But all she did was work, pray, like very intense, like Catholic,
like praying, like, you know, we're all evil. We're going to hell.

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And then beat the fuck out of them. Like that was her, her day.
But like, and there was also no food, right.
There was also like, she didn't really provide. divide so at
this time this is when richard was
like okay i've got to go get fucking i got
to get food like i'm fucking starving so there was these like drake's fucking

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food trucks that he would wait for them to come around and he would he would
rob them like he would jump in the truck steal and fucking go home like the
cakes like the snack cake type things yeah yeah yeah yeah drake's yep Yep.
Okay. Just checking, making sure on the same page. That's right, man.
The Drake's. I remember that from a Seinfeld, you know, the,

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the Drake's cookie coffee cookie or whatever.
Yes. It's vaguely familiar. Yes. So good.
I just a little, a little Debbie man myself. So favorite one. Go little Debbie.
I like the oatmeal pies. I mean, that's good. You know what? The chocolate ones.

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Oh, it just sounds gross. Like, yeah, if I'm going to be real honest with you, man, go ahead.
I just I was just being argumentative. I don't even know if which Drake makes what, who, Debbie.
I don't fucking know, dude. I don't.
I was just being a dick for the you know, you call me out. You got me.
I like I like yodels. I like putting yodels in the fridge.

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And, you know, yodels? Yeah. I mean, those are like, what? No,
I don't know what a fucking yodel is. Oh, if you looked it up, you'd do. Okay.
Swiss cake roll. Sometimes they go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those are fucking good.
Three, four inches long.
Chocolate wrapped. Perfect. Swirly. Yeah. Yeah. You put them in the fridge. I love them cold.
It's amazing. God damn, dude. That shit does sound good.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, I got a sweet tooth lately. I don't know what's going on,
but I would eat a whole fucking cake right now. It's probably the diabetes.
It probably is or this fucking like face tumor
i got you know whatever going on you have a face tumor i don't know dude that's
how i say the allergies make me feel like i'm about to fucking explode all the
week so i say it's good thing we're not doing video right now i don't think

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anyone wants to see that shit the fucking growth on the side of your noggin.
Hey guys i don't know i don't know why i would talk like that if i had it but
it that makes sense hey guys that's what the tumor is the tumor's so big it's

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talking itself it's got its own thing going on i'm chris i'm brad and i'm the tumor,
this is here no evil it's like did you ever watch family guy yes yeah where
chris gets like the the really big pimple yeah it's like making him do bad shit

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he's like come on chris steal that yeah,
no leave me alone you're bad that was a good chris dude that was a really good
dude chris does chris that's what this is man sounds like a really weird porn,
yeah he does dallas chris does chris it's the it's the porn you do every night
you don't have anybody around it's the best porn it only takes me about 30 seconds

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i'm going to bed Everyone finishes.
Exactly. And I have that weird conversation about why you got to get the fuck out of my apartment.
So Richard starts stealing food. He starts doing this shit. And this is where
he starts getting into the...
You know, one of the sure-tell signs of a serial killer is he starts fucking with animals, right?

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Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. Trigger warning. Yeah, trigger, trigger, trigger.
Actually, let's go ahead and say trigger warning from here on out. Okay. Yeah.
So he does dumb shit. Like, he takes cats, and he's, like, tying their fucking
tails together and, like, throwing them over fences so they'll just,
like, maul each other to death.
Yeah. Oh, God. and he's like beating stray dogs with pipes and lighting them

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on fire like all kinds of shit,
and i think he got away with this for
a while too because i think at the time like i said this is
we're talking about 1950s in this area i mean
people were just like oh stray dogs and cats are fucking
you know less and less like somebody's solving
a problem we don't want to fucking we don't care yeah they

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had bigger problems to worry about probably like you know poverty and
eating polio polio exactly worrying
about the commies no shit right they
had they had real problems right like the a-bomb yeah
exactly good lord like like we talk about these old like shit they're like you
know oh they were fucking drunks and they were violent and it's like well yeah

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but like every day was probably a fucking terrible day so you know not say this
is an excuse but good lord Well, you said the 50s?
Yeah. I mean, the 50s, I feel like weren't too bad, depending on where you live.
Well, yeah, I think this was a poverty. I mean, this was not – they were not doing great.
And like you said, too, in this situation, they were barely having,

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what, money when they had both parents.
And then now you're down to one.
It's like in probably a bad neighborhood, and it's just – whatever. Yeah.
You know and then so okay so at
this time you know he's stealing the food he's fucking with these
cats he's fucking with these dogs and he runs into
a problem with this like local gang of

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boys and they call themselves the project boys
the project boys okay project
that's not i don't mind that i thought the way you laughed i
thought you were gonna be like i thought i think that they're
gonna have like a really okay i think we've referenced
this before but there's there's an episode of
always sunny philadelphia where they create a band and yeah and like like frank

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wants it to be like kind of like a doo-wop group and and he's like yeah we'll
call ourselves the pecan sandys and they're like we're not gonna call like why
would you why would you he's like Like,
you know, you want a name that is,
you know, like unassuming, you know, kind of like nice so that the parents let the kids bop with us.

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And Max, like, kids are not bopping nowadays. They're doing,
they're snorting drugs and banging each other. Our name is Chemical Toilet.
And I just thought that you were going to come up with, like,
some kind of name, like, you know, like the Bebop Boys or, you know,
the Saggy Bottom Boys or something like that.
You know like not you know not i mean the

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project i like that that that sounds you like that you
like the project boys yeah man i feel like it that dude
that's that's like halfway to like a metal band dude if you take out boys like
there's a there's a kind of like a christian metal band called project 86 i
don't know if they're all born in 1986 i don't know but you know like of course
what the fuck does that mean of course i don't know like it's just of course

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there is like Like, it's always like a Christian something.
It's always a Christian something.
Like, it was a Christian something. Christian heavy metal thing.
You know, I do, I listen to them.
They're part of my, I have like a whole gym mix of just them.
And it's not, but it's not like overtly like, Jesus, love her.
Like all that, you know, it's not.

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It's more like. Hold on, how'd that go?
I didn't hear you the first time, so I just want to see.
I know that's a lie because i can see my i can see my sound voice waves on the
computer and through the fucking
roof liar that's why you hate christian music because you're a liar,

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i that's why i listen to it because i'm a liar i need it oh there you go okay
yeah i'm trying to project you said project 68 yeah project 69 no project 86
yeah let's try it out it's there They honestly do have some good tunes.
And yeah, it's not bad for lifting. And so the point is, the Project Boys, I kind of dig it.

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As long as they're not coming in there listening to a barbershop quartet as
they're about to beat somebody up.
They sound like a 2000s rap group, like the Project Boys.
That's true. I feel like that's something we would listen to back in the day.
But i just thought it was really you know it's like okay you're the project boys like cool,

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it was not creative but everybody you know
different strokes but regardless of what their fucking name was they fucking
they did not like you know little richard well that sucks because he had great
music back then too so he did they're just racist that's why they fought this
richard because they hated little richard.

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Oh man so they you know they would fucking beat the shit out of them they'd
call them a dumb polack this happens a lot like i i don't know what the fuck's
going on in jersey in the 50s but they all hate him because he's polish and
they call him a dumb polack a lot,
and they would beat him up and then like spit on him which that's fucked right

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like i mean okay okay, you're going to beat them up, but then you're going to spit on them.
That sucks, man. That's a little too much.
I don't know. I'm just going to go ahead and just put a bookmark in this and
say that maybe, I don't know if, I feel like the detail was wrong,
highlighted we were under we underscored that one i wonder if that's going to

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be his finishing move later on in life i don't know i feel like you put that
in there for a reason you're a good storyteller that's going to be a callback
later oh thanks man i appreciate that yeah liar jesus.
So the leader of this little project boys

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was named charlie and for some reason
when i read do you remember the weird youtube shit with
the unicorns yes and this is like charlie candy
mountain or something like that yes candy fucking mountain dude
oh my god i used to get so high and watch that
just my brain would just melt i was like what the fuck
is this i still like you know if

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i see that pop up somewhere i'm like oh hold on i gotta watch candy mountain
out and that's some trippy shit whoever makes that kind of stuff is just your
brain is on another fucking planet there was that one and then like salad fingers
do you remember salad fingers,
jesus no that was a creepy one now we're talking that was like.

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That's the tall salad man oh yeah yeah,
toss a salad no i have salad fingers god damn it i'll
be right back baby i got salad fingers what was that bro
man i was i don't there was the tall salad man was
from something but they were talking about like they were like you need that
motherfucker in the schools like oh billy you gotta be guess what you gotta

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do he's like no god i know oh man but yeah so So Charlie and the project boys,
they beat the fuck out of him so bad.
And they just, you know, they didn't give him any break.
And one day, you know, Richard's like, fuck this. You know, he kind of had enough.

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And because, you know, he beat the fuck out of them kids before,
but that's because his dad made them. Right? His dad was like,
I'm going to beat you. Well, his dad wasn't around anymore.
Probably, you know, for the good of everybody. But so he didn't really, he's kind of a loner.
He's getting picked on. on he didn't really have any reason except for you know
deciding on his own like i'm gonna stop this,

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so he goes to like the closet and
he gets one of them fucking metal hanging rods that you use to like put
clothes up and he fucking hides
and he because he knew like he knew where
charlie walked every day to get you know
like from school to the house and all this shit so he just kind of waited
on his his trail and you

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know when he finally sees him coming he gets
up and he confronts him and charlie immediate was
like just got a fucking attitude he's like oh the fucking dumb polack and
just goes to you know start beating his ass like he just
right into it so right where he
left off exactly oh hi hi you're here time to
beat your ass earlier than normal yeah i don't even i don't you gotta go home

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first uh it's great it's like fucking doordash for an ass beating so but richard's
like nah and so he takes out this metal pole and just bam like hits him over the head,
And then he keeps hitting them and he keeps hitting them and he keeps hitting
them and he kills them. Wow. Yeah.

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And so one thing I, I, I kind of glossed over cause I got excited about salad
fingers and the unicorn was, he was really typical.
That's a typical reaction to salad fingers.
Just glossed over some information. You just get excited. Oh, okay.
Where are we? i get into the salads i get a little sleepy too that's all right,

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good times you know refresh um yeah and wash my hands so i said that he was
like stealing shit right he was getting into he kind of liked stealing well
one of the things he stole was like true crime magazines and my guy i know right
so he would steal those read them he loved them,

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well he kind of used his true crime
knowledge you know at this moment so
he he kills this guy charlie i say
guy i mean they're both fucking kids you know they're teenagers but i guess
in the 1950s back then i mean you're still you're a grown-ass adult at like
15 yeah yeah so he beats the fuck out of charlie kills him and immediately he

(31:40):
starts thinking you know okay i gotta fix this I got to like not get caught again.
This kind of goes back to the personality disorder.
Like he's not thinking, Oh my God, you know, he's dead. Like what did I do?
He's just like, all right, I can't get caught. Sure.
So he had stolen a car recently and like hit it away.

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And what he did is he took Charlie, threw him in the car and,
drove to the pine barrens and have you seen you've seen like the sopranos i i i never.
Indulged but i've seen episodes yes okay what about goodfellas again kind of
same thing okay so you should watch bits and pieces okay that's right now yeah

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just don't even stop listening to me just every once in a while go cool yeah horrible,
what yeah exactly that movie is
fucking amazing and but what
i was gonna say is there's a lot of this shit that i feel like they
got from this like goodfellas and
soprano like they were like oh we'll fucking we'll use stories from this guy's

(32:49):
life and just put it into the fucking movie because it is so similar it's crazy
okay well in the pine marines are big and like the sopranos of shit but anyway
so he drives out there and when he gets out there he fucking he knows okay,
from reading my fucking true crime shit they're gonna
look they're gonna want his teeth right they're gonna want his teeth to fucking

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identify him so he fucking bashes out his teeth and he fucking puts him in his
pocket and he's like oh fuck fingerprints so he takes a fucking hatchet and
chops his fucking fingers off then he fucking throws him in the water fucking drives back,
and just randomly is like tossing the fingers in the teeth out the window just like in random spots.

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Okay and he was like 14 at this time and driving a car no less yeah he's well
i mean he stole the car and he murdered somebody like i don't think you know
driving the car matters but like,
the car was stolen and he had a fucking murdered kid in the back you know it's
like jesus i can be impressed with what i'm impressed with oh i thought you

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meant like the legality of it
you're like he shouldn't be driving he doesn't
have a license i'm like really listen
i i i we don't condone murder
here on the show that's but there's
gonna be that's rule number one and the second rule is don't
talk about sheer no evil actually do talk
about it do talk about patreon.com yeah but charlie

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got like the fucking like 1950s
fuck around and find out you know big time
that's it's unfortunate and nobody deserves to die for that but by god dude
if you i mean he probably could have been a fucking sociopath himself and turned
into a murder murderer you know we have no idea what's wrong with him because

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yeah if he's going around beating the shit out of this kid just for the fun
of it and being a racist cunt on top of that sorry for the scene,
jesus christ i don't know where that came from.
Jesus christ love um i
don't yeah i don't know i need to
listen to that more now i guess i need to turn the volume up i guess read the
lyrics for god's sake for god's sake literally yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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it's not not lost on me but yeah i yeah it's just i don't feel it's it again
i hate saying things like i don't feel bad for charlie i do nobody deserves that and it was
like you said it's probably an abusive time you know where we're you know very,

(35:24):
male hierarchical system where you know you just
you know the the tougher you are the better you are i guess but
i don't know dude you you push around
somebody that long and they're going to come with a pole and they're going to
beat the shit out of your head you know yeah of course and you
shouldn't be surprised by that no and charlie was like the leader of the project
boys and and like you said new jersey in the 50s like he probably wasn't going

(35:46):
to make it very long anyway like who knows you know the the fucking probability
of him making it to 60 it was probably slim i mean same here so i don't know
but you know like i'm picking on charlie for it.
You're not picking on him you're just telling the truth man just
telling the truth yeah just telling you like
it is so he at this point

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so richard realized that on the
way back that he felt he felt
powerful at that moment like he felt like all right
i am somebody that you need to fucking respect and
this comes up a lot so you're gonna
see like you call you could call him whatever you want but
i seem to he's got this like i call it like a pearl harbor fucking

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disorder because he has this like overreaction to
everybody like you know somebody could fucking wrong him
or disrespect him and he's like oh you know we're like a normal
person would be like that's fucked up maybe maybe fight him
maybe you know at worst get violent or
you know something he's like i'm gonna fucking murder

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you like that's his he's a you know overreaction big
time yeah and so he's driving home
and he's like yeah all right this is this is what i want to do now
this is who i am people are gonna fucking respect me so after
charlie's obviously missing and this is corroborated like.
He just charlie went missing at this time like
he did you know he was he was murdered and nobody

(37:14):
knew he was murdered until this fucking documentary
came out and you know kuklowski like fucking kuklinski let all this information
out but oh wow yeah yeah no dude oh there was something like 20 cold cases solved
whenever they did this documentary a couple years ago this guy's been like holding
on this shit forever and you'll find out why later but.

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So the other boys in the gang kind of like stopped fucking with him after this,
but like it didn't matter.
So he fucking went and found each one of them and beat the fucking shit out of them.
And he started carrying around like a fucking baseball bat and or like a hunting knife.
And if anybody fucking said shit to him, he would just either bash him or fucking

(37:58):
cut their face. Like just wow.
He was getting like a reputation pretty quick. and also
so like you're going around beating
people with baseball bats and cutting them with knives and you know
you're probably not doing too good in school so he
just dropped out of school he said fuck this i don't want to do it good for
him yeah he found he found a passion he fought dude yes he did yes he did he

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found a passion he's like this is what i want to do for the rest of my life
and i'm just going to get really good at it he figured this out at 16 and And
I'm at 42 and I still have no idea.
So, I mean, you know, I'm a little jealous, but that's fine. Right.
Exactly. Like, I mean, we're like, hey, let's do a fucking podcast.
And we're we are not as good at podcasting as he is at murder.
I'm going to tell you that right now. OK, that's fine.

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I don't think anybody is as good at anything as he is at murder. So that's.
Yeah. Like, fuck Jesus. So he ends up hanging out the fucking pool halls.
And that's where he just like yeah he's fucking 15 16 years old he's like i'm
not gonna go to school so he goes to pool and he fucking apparently like ends

(39:08):
up being really good at fucking pool he's just good at everything he does i
hate this guy i felt bad for him now i hate him he's just really good at everything.
And from all accounts too like he he was
like 16 but he's already kind of getting big and he was
just you know like you just know those people like he
just would scare adults they're like i don't want to you know i don't even want

(39:32):
to play pool with this guy like you know these are grown-ass people they're
in their fucking 20s and some kid walks up and he's like hey can i put a quarter
down they're like fuck i'm sure yeah you got the pool table man yeah exactly yeah,
fuck i don't blame them too whether it's a size thing or not like that person
obviously has no qualms with coming up and cutting you in the face,

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you know, like that's not me.
I don't want to be on the aggress on the aggressive side, nor do I want to have my face cut.
So, you know, fearful or not, like I will just remove myself from the situation.
That's yeah. Yeah. That's the smart thing to do. Yeah. Right.
When you have a right, when you've got like a job and a family,
it's like, yes, not with a man.

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Like, I'm not going to fuck around with this, you know, psychopath,
you know, at the pool hall at fucking two in the afternoon, buying guns and getting drunk.
And that he did buy his first gun there. So he had the pool hall.
He bought like a 38 special.
So this is a reputable pool hall. Nice. Yeah. It's also tattoos in the corner.
Yes. Probably.

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You're one stop shop. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking getting drunk at 16 and buying guns and all kinds of shit.
Well, so his reputation and his kind of apparently he did have like he was kind
of a charmer is what people say.
Like he could if he wanted to be funny and charm you
and he kind of got himself like a

(40:59):
little group like a little gang of his own right and their
name was called coming up roses okay
that's that's pretty fucking cool okay right okay thank
you i was i was wait i paused for effect because i
knew i liked it and i was like dude if he doesn't like this one but he
likes project boys i mean we just gotta stop the show um i made the right decision

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you're like oh that name sucks all of a sudden you hear like chris chris hey
jesus i just got back on singing.
Oh yeah no that's that's definitely a cool name i think it it feels very mafioso

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So it's, it's a play on words on top of having a very,
I mean, anything with Rose in it is just like deadly, you know,
like if somebody has like a Rose tattoo and they, you know, wear a fedora,
then I'm not going to fuck with them, you know? All right. Okay.
That's all there is to it. Like that guy, that guy knows how to swing a sack

(42:06):
of doorknobs right there. No, thank you.
Fedora and a Rose tattoo. That's it. Gotcha. Yeah. Mm hmm.
And i i think there's it was kind of creative right because they're like coming
up roses and the whole thing was like you know if you fuck with us like we're
gonna put you under the ground
you know you'd be fertilizer like you come with roses and
they got like they all got like this little tattoo this little

(42:27):
scroll probably at the pool hall on their left
hand and they got like a little scroll and they got
like the name on there so all in all you know points
for the fucking name creative the tattoo good idea yeah cool yeah off to a good
start as like a fucking gang and they did they did shit right they did like
petty theft they started robbing like fucking you know nice houses and liquor

(42:48):
stores and you know doing their
thing like being a fucking gang and just increasing their rep you know.
Well, you know, their rep was pretty known. Richard was getting more known.
And, you know, this next thing happens and it kind of solidifies him as,
okay, I like to hurt people. I like to fucking kill people.

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Because you think of the first one, you know, he fucking Charlie,
he was picked on, he hit him.
He didn't really mean to kill him, but he was okay with it.
Well this next one he actually is like i'm gonna fucking kill this guy so he's
in the pool hall and he's playing pool against a police officer right officer

(43:33):
doyle it's an irish dude naturally,
right right officer doyle so this cop which i just love thinking about this
right this grown ass man cop is you know drinking and playing pool against you
know a 16 year old polish guy,
It's just a different time, man.
I would love to time travel and just be like a fly on the wall and just see

(43:57):
how life was back then. It's just crazy to think about. Yeah.
Well, Officer Doyle's getting his fucking ass beat, right? Rich is just fucking him up every game.
And Officer Doyle's getting drunk, and he's getting mouthy, and he's talking shit.
And he's like, ah, fuck this. And it comes out with the fucking dumb Polak thing.

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So richard's fucking pissed and what didn't help is officer doyle looked a lot
like stanley looked a lot like his dad okay and that i think that just put it over the edge,
so richard decides all right i'm gonna kill him well officer doyle gets drunk
he gets sick of losing and he goes out to his car and he sits in his car he

(44:41):
lights up a cigarette and he like falls asleep.
You know smoking a cigarette in the car with the windows down as one does right yeah and.
Richard says okay and he goes to the gas station he gets a can of gas oh i knew it yeah he fucking,

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dumps it on him lights a fucking match throws
it and it fucking like runs but he
doesn't run far he runs just far enough in
case the car explodes but he wanted to hear
officer doyle scream when he woke
up so he just listened to him screaming on
fire and i just want

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to pause for a minute because i heard i listened to a couple different
shows about this one and was i forget who it was one of
the guys was saying like why didn't he just fucking you know wake
up and like put the fire out i'm like
are you fucking you got gasoline all over you
and you're dropping low baby you're engulfed in
fire like i don't give a fuck what you do you could roll around all day like

(45:44):
that's not gonna help like if you're drunk and dying here again and i'm sure
you're gonna get into some things where i'm just like oh god richard where did
where did we go wrong but again nobody Nobody deserves to die.
However, the cop sounds like a fucking prick. You know? Yes,

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he does. Probably walking around like a shit didn't stink.
You know, probably, you know, maybe being even a little intimidating,
using racial slurs and, you know, and then you get to walk out and feel like a big man.
Well, I rather would have seen Richard just beat the shit out of him.
You know, something like that.
Just go, just go Joker on him, you know, like full crowbar, I don't know,

(46:24):
but leave them a lot, you know, just tune them up a little bit.
I don't know it's like society in so many of
these cases society is making these people and then we're gonna sit
back and be like oh my god i can't believe you did this like i can't believe
he didn't do it sooner like you know i like this that's two people already that
got a fuck around and find out you know i think too i think he knew not to like

(46:47):
because you said like tune them up but i think he was like no it's a cop i can't
just fucking beat his ass i gotta kill yeah yeah yeah you're gonna go to jail
sure yeah and he didn't even take the chance at like
beating him up i kind of man that is a baller move i'm falling in love with
this guy i don't know i'm like one of those those like those chicks that like write to the guys in jail.
You know i'm like this guy

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he didn't even decide to like take a gun and like go up to a walk
over and shoot he's like no man took his time along
the way fucking yeah oh yep in a tune go yep
go goes go to the the gas station and you
know fucking singing a little little richard song and if i can dump
some gas and probably lit the
cigarette probably lit a cigarette took a puff and like fuck you

(47:29):
flicked it in there and that was it you know like call me
a dumb polack again bitch like exactly say dumb polack now say now oh my god
and again i'm not trying to condone this stuff and normally we try to be so
sympathetic to the victims but like they've been assholes you know like yeah
and they're dead so they're not gonna say anything oh that was too much that That was a lot.

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That was a lot. Apologize to Officer Doyle.
Doyle. Don't the rules. That's exactly what I was thinking.
Not no more. You don't. And you're not going to fucking, I'm going to tell you
something because I'm glad you said that because I'm listening to a lot of this
stuff and I was watching the thing and I was like, man, like,
all right. All right, Rich.
Like, I wasn't, I didn't hate him right now. Now there will be some things,

(48:14):
you know, he, he starts later on where he kind of mimics his dad,
you know, and the way he handles his family business. And that's when you're like, oh fuck. Yeah.
But you know, all in all, you're like, like all so far you're like, ah, okay.
All right. Like, it's not good, but you know, you're not like fucking,
you know, pulling dead bodies on you in a bathtub and like jerking off to them.

(48:37):
So like, whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is, you know, it's rated R it's not NC 17 quite yet.
You know right exactly yeah this this is a scorsese film it's not a snuff film
there you go good good comparison good comparison that's that's almost start
living my life like scorsese or snuff they're like what sir i just i asked how you wanted your state.

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Chris of this thousand yard stare across the table give it to me snuff i got to go now,
no a1 like oh god i want my steak no lube please stop.

(49:23):
Oh god it's over
like okay so his reputation spread
even for like he was getting a name for himself okay now eventually
the the coming up roses and richard you know they kind of like got noticed by
the one of the crime families so the cavalcante crime family in jersey now i

(49:46):
went to like a deep dive on this shit like with the whole mob history and all that stuff and it is.
Like super fucking interesting i mean we
honestly we should do a show where we just talk
about that because the whole fucking like
you know way it like formed and
how it happened in the different families it's just really cool it's

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it's fucking crazy to to look at but one
of the crime families this guy carmine genovese his
nickname was meatball i know the subject i'm gonna call him that because i'm
pretty sure i pronounce all these names wrong i'm not italian so i don't fucking
know but he was like a fucking you know fat guy he had a big head and they called

(50:28):
him meatball so it fit and meatballs are great so like you could have a worse name right Yeah,
that's what I was going to say Like fuck,
it could be worse I mean, what if you're walking around with like a Like a big hog in your pants,
you know Like what's your name going to be then?
Go ahead, give them a name right now You know, like, I don't know Sausage?

(50:50):
Sausage, yeah Yeah, meatball and sausage, yeah Chorizo? Yeah,
there you go, oh, chorizo Fapa de Nero.
The chorizo,
the enchilada justice oh man so
so fucking this guy so meatball he he

(51:11):
looks at them and he's like okay i can i can get them to do some
little fucking side jobs for me you know and he gives him a job and he says
look this guy needs to be killed you know you guys want the fucking job you
can have it again a different fucking time because these are essentially teenagers
you know it's like Like, hey,

(51:33):
kids, want to fucking murder somebody for me? You know, like.
Oh, gee whiz. Gee whiz, sure. That sounds swell.
I got to ask my mom real quick. Hold on. He runs back.
It's like fucking the Sandlot meets like fucking, you know, the Sopranos.

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But again, you know, you watch Goodfellas and there's a lot of shit.
Shit this so while i was
reading all this shit though the kawakante crime family and
a lot of the stuff that happened with them it looks like they really
did put that shit in the goodfellas movie so like you're gonna now you're gonna
hear a lot of shit that really is almost fucking spot on so if you've never

(52:17):
seen it fine but you're about to hear about it so okay it is perfect and save
me the trouble of watching a movie oh god damn you just watch the fucking movie it's so So good.
So he gives him this, this contract. He says, look, you gotta go kill this guy.
It needs to be done in a hurry. Just, just get it done. Come back when you're done.
So, you know, the fucking, all right, the roses go out there and they're about

(52:38):
to fucking, they're stalking this guy. They're about to kill him.
Now, they are going to let this
kid named John Wheeler pull the trigger because he's like the toughest.
They say he's the toughest guy, right? Like, we're going to let John do it.
So, they fucking find the guy and they pull up beside him and they're like,
all right, John, shoot him, shoot him. Well, John fucking freezes.

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Like he gets the gun he's like shaking and he just he fucking full he can't
do it and the guy gets away so they're like fuck,
so they follow him and the guy goes like some bar and he's in there drinking
and they're sitting there and Richard's like you know what I'll fucking do it
you know you're a fucking pussy,
and quote and uh.

(53:21):
I'm like ad-libbing for Rich over here but so the guy comes out of the bar and,
Richard gets out just walks up shoots him in the side of the head fucking walks
back to the car gets in like no fucking,
no like adrenaline no mood change no nothing he's like all right let's go let's go get some fro yo,

(53:43):
yeah let's go get some fucking ice cream you know my name is fucking uh kuklinski
yeah big dick kuklink so they're like and apparently they're like oh my god
dude like you're fucking you know you're fucking stone cold or whatever like
it's crazy and he's like yeah yeah whatever Whatever.
He just didn't give a fuck, dude. He just did not care.
So they go back and Meatball is like super impressed that they did it so quick.

(54:06):
Cause this was like the next fucking day.
And he gives them all 500 bucks. He was like, good job. Wow. Yeah. Now. Now.
I looked at it. I looked at like what that would be worth now.
Yeah. Yeah. Seven grand. Wow.
Like that's a big, cause when I, like when I like was,
you know, listed, I like $500 and I'm like, I know, you know,

(54:30):
inflation, all that shit, whatever, but $7,000, like that's a,
you know, you're a fucking 16 year old kid. So my hands are seven grand. You're like, hell yeah.
Yeah. I'm like, I'm gonna kill more people, which is like exactly what he did.
I'm going to kill you meatball. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Fucking don't kill everyone. How about I just kill you and I take all your money?

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Yeah, you fucking fat piece of shit.
So he kept getting jobs. He kept getting jobs.
He kept going back. Not all of them were murder.
He wasn't a contract killer, but he was a little side gang, and he would just
go do shit, and all this money was coming in.
Now, apparently, Richard would blow the money just as fast as he would get it.

(55:13):
And i'm talking about at one point like they did a job where he got like two
hundred thousand dollars or some shit in like today's money and that shit was
gone in like a couple months,
he would buy these like really big bright suits he would gamble a lot he would
go to vegas was his favorite place to go because get this his favorite performer

(55:36):
was liberace oh okay nice okay,
and i i think it's like you know he's flashy
he's like you know the status symbol showing that
shit off and and the bright suits thing like i couldn't figure that out like
i i was like what you know because he would wear like these like yellow or like
pink like just bright ass suits but i almost wonder if it was like a you know

(56:01):
say something about my suit motherfucker like please say something about my
suit like oh you don't like it cool i'm gonna fucking murder you you know,
you know just to see if they would do it you know i just like picture him like
egging somebody on you know just going up to a bar and sitting next to somebody
and getting real close to them and.

(56:22):
Rubbing the rubbing the suit on the guy like oh do you like the suit you know
just tell me what you really think about it you know it's a nice yeah it's a
nice suit buddy no what do you think what do you think about it yeah it's like
what do you think about the color there it's a little brighter than i want get
that to you motherfucker he's shit you like my suit,

(56:42):
yeah he's like sitting there he's like is this a suit that like you think a dumb polack would wear.
He's like i didn't say that he's like no no you said it he's like i see you
thinking it like you're thinking it right fucking now he's like dude i'm not
i'm fucking not like just say it just say it just say it just say dumb polack
just say dumb polack and it'll all be over just say it say it'll be over. Dumb Paul.

(57:04):
Told you to be over. So coming, coming up roses, man, they were killing it.
They were, they were living it up. They were doing all these jobs. Well,
you know, they had to do something wrong, right? They just couldn't just like
leave it be, do what they were doing.
And this again is a scene right from the fucking movie.
But so two of the fucking guys from Coming Up Roses decides to kind of say what

(57:29):
you said. Well, I'll just rob you. You got all the money, right?
So one of the made men, you know, in the family was hosting like a fucking poker
night and there'd be a fuck ton of money at these things.
So two of the guys decide we're going to fucking
stick up the the poker game we're going to rob them but you
know we're going to hide fucking bandana like we're going to put bandanas over

(57:50):
our faces like it's fucking covid fucking times or some shit
and like that's like they're robbing
a train yeah right right so so
they fucking they go in and they stick up
this fucking poker game well you know
i at the time that this like mob family
didn't really have a lot of young kids gangs working

(58:12):
for them right and so they're like dude
we know who the fuck you are like you know cool
bandana but you're obviously these two
fucking kids yeah so they were
like very calm they were like okay you can
have the money and they were like are you fucking sure
you want to to do this like here you

(58:34):
go and you know so they take off
they got the money they think they made this big score right so carmine
finds out about this and uh meatball i don't
know why i fucking called him by his real name and he i
think he really saw richard as like the the fucking leader sure
and and the only one that really had like the fucking you know

(58:54):
guts to do this kind of shit and so he respected him
in a way you know and so he goes up to him and he
says look you got you got fucking two choices you fucking
kill these guys that did this or we're just
going to kill all of you and be done with it and so he's like okay that's fucking.
You know that's an easy decision yeah yeah yeah didn't think twice he's already.

(59:16):
Before the second sentence came out he was already leaving with a gun say less
meatball i got you i was just looking for a reason
yeah just looking for a reason this is good those guys are pissing me off anyways.
Me balls like me balls like hey man you got a choice you can either kill him
he's like i done he's like whoa whoa whoa wait i want to finish like there's

(59:36):
another choice he's like no no no he's like i didn't even tell you who i just said kill he's like,
it's true in the direction just point me in the direction just wind them up
and point Point him in the direction.
It's just a fucking killing fucking machine.
So he did it. And the next day he goes out.

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He fucking you know kills the two guys that fucking robbed
him and right after like as soon as that's done the other like people in the
group are like no we're out we don't want to do this no more this is not fun
you know yeah yeah that's a good call yeah it's a good life choice like fuck
the coming up roses they're like they're like trying to scratch off the tattoos yeah.

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Like should have joined the project boys like fuck oh
god so so
richard's on his own again you know he's on his own he's solo
lone wolf you know he's like 19 now richard
decides he wants to start and i i gotta find.
A segue over to this part because he decides

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he starts like wanting to work out right so he goes
on these like long ass walks in manhattan like he'll take the
train go to manhattan and just walk right for
hours and this is
when shit gets a little weird because he starts just being
just a killer just a fucking murder right
well as he's walking one of

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these like homeless guys you know was kind of like giving him shit
like hey you got some money you got some money and he's like no leave
me the fuck alone and apparently the guy like started following
him and just being like a drunk and just yelling at him and
i guess he like grabbed him it was like i know you
got something and so richard just turned around and stabbed him
right he starts he starts stabbing him and he

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fucking just lets him like fall right there in the
middle of the fucking road and die he you
know keeps doing his walk you know you don't want to stop his pace he's
got to get his steps in got to get that heart rate up buddy gotta get
that calorie burn and again listen i'm not excusing murder not gonna do it this

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is not a thing but that and i'm again i'm sure it's coming down the pipe but
the dude was harassing him yeah don't do that you have a crazy drunk homeless
person unhoused person we're woke coming after you.
And you don't know what kind of person you're running into. Don't do that.
No. Don't do that. You're going to get yourself killed.

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Yes. Yes. That's, you know, I mean, like, that's one of those,
like, why do you have the right to yell at me to come?
Listen, I'm not going to stab anybody, but I've had several people.
I've stopped once in my travels in the less than luxurious parts of town as I'm working.
And literally somebody like held up a

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fist to me to stop as i'm driving i'm like hey what's up
leans in my car because my windows are open and
he's like hey you got any money i'm like what no no
i don't he's well next time i stop you make sure you
have some money i'm like i'm not stopping that's that's what
i'm not gonna do i'm stupid i'm new here never stopping
again and it's happened several times before somebody

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kind of like holds their hands up i'm like i don't know what you're doing here hell no just
two days ago i was trying to pull out onto a busy street
and some really i don't
know i just i don't know where this guy came from just looked like he was walking up
the street and i'm i'm just trying to pull out into traffic and the guy is like
kind of waving half like come over here half roll your window down and i'm like

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absolutely not like who who do you why are you trying to stop me and i'm on
a job site he might have a question about what's going in there he He might have a question.
Can I work for you? I don't know. But no, you do not reserve the right to stop
me. And I've learned that.
And I just it's it's a little ballsy just to think that because you're here,
you deserve my attention.

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And so absolutely, you know, I mean, I'm sure this dude was drunk that Richard attacked.
But at the same time, you know, again, not condoning murder,
but this could have been avoided, you know, right?
You don't you don't fucking yell at him and grab him, period.
I mean, it's you, you better fucking, you know, a little side rail.

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I mean, just like we do, but.
You got to be fucking careful. Like if you, cause you're going to fucking do
that. Like, like this guy did to the wrong person.
You're going to put your head in the wrong person's fucking car.
Like don't fucking do that.
And if, and to me, like I'm sitting there thinking like, if you fucking crazy
enough to just run it with my car and put your fucking, you know,
head through my fucking window, like I'm going to be crazy too.

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Like we're all going to be crazy.
And let's just do crazy shit. Cause like, fuck that dude. Like,
I don't know what you're trying to do. And exactly.
You just cannot trust people. You can't, the worst thing you could do.
Is think the best of people you better think the worst and hope for the best because it's like.
I'm pretending you trying to fucking you trying to hurt me you
trying to do something stupid now maybe you weren't maybe you

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were just going to say hi but then that was just a stupid mistake and
you shouldn't do that like you know fuck around man but
yeah you're right you just can't trust that shit man so richard
little uh that's our little psa in
there guys there you go psa say yeah and
psa don't fucking grab richard right he

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doesn't like it that's not like it that guy got stabbed and
then richard kept doing his walk again keeping calories
going and apparently like when he like
he walks this like big circle and so like when he came
back like he actually said he enjoyed seeing that guy
like dead on the ground he was like good good because
you don't fuck with me like he kept again this was like his

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power like you know because growing up he didn't have any yeah
it is abusive parents abusive neighborhood like this
this power was something i think he really enjoyed having you
know because we always like kind of wonder what motivates these
people to kill well for him it was control it was power i think
i don't know but like so he
starts going a little fucking crazy like he started

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using this kind of opportunity because he was like oh if people like he would
walk around being like like you said fuck around and find out like he would
walk around like just hoping that these people would fuck with him like homeless
people drug people whoever and he would just murder them in different ways and
then throw him in the river.
Wow and yeah it's just you know and he ended up like testing out new shit right

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uh he tests out a crossbow one time oh fuck you just thought about the car he
tests out a crossbow on a guy by fucking driving his car and he's like he has
this crossbow he's like i wonder if this shit would
even work. And so he fucking pulls over,
He rolls his window down. He asks, he's like, hey, hey, come here. Hey, I got a question.
The guy comes over. He's like, yeah. It like kind of leans in.

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He just shoots him in the head with a crossbow. Wow.
All right. We are off the rails. Richard, this is where I get off.
If I stop, it's been fun being on team Richard.
Been enjoying your, you know, your little revenge on the world tour, but I got to go, buddy.

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Now yeah so now richard
he found out like he kept doing this with the homeless people
because he figured out like the cops really are not going to push on this they
don't give a shit and actually at the time the
cops thought that because all these homeless people were coming up
you know murdered they had thought that the
homeless community or whatever you want me to call them i don't know unhoused is

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that what you said yes oh fucking no but
he basically they basically thought they were all
going crazy and just killing each other that's what they
chalked it up to yeah they're like we're not gonna look
into this too much they're just killing each other started drinking the
east river water and they just went cuckoo yeah that's right that's
right which so they're like oh problem solved it's like
what is it like but again i'm

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sure 1950 cops were just pure right they
were just staying the best like doyle exactly so
then he noticed that by luck use
that word loosely he knows there was another group
of people that the cops did not care to
get all worked up about and that was oh good one what's the next one oh geez

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think about our last other criminals oh no no gay people yes oh my god good
job well i mean you kind of you walked me there you held my hand does it well,
No, no pun intended. Not to put a, to find a point on that, but yeah.
Jesus.

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And so this happened by luck and, and we're, we're, we're, we're coming up on
the, cause this is going to be a two-parter by the way, just so you know. Okay.
Yeah. I was thinking, yeah, no, no, no.
I mean, you tell me that this guy has a wife and kids that he's beating and we're an hour in.
I was like chris yeah i would have gotten an enchilada if it was going to be

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if i knew i was going to be doing this long so i would have set up a nice little
nice little meal for this but man you know when you say enchilada now i'm starving
immediately i know how to i i know how to influence you i know your body you do so well that's jesus.
So he's at a he's at a he happens to be at a gay bar

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and he's drinking a beer and this guy
starts hitting on him and he's like not interested
right and he goes to leave and apparently the guy was
you know drunk and talking shit and kind of saying
come on man like wouldn't leave him alone right just you know you
know and so he gets mad and
he bashes the guy's head in with like a cobblestone right off

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the street and that's how he found out that
because this didn't really get looked into too much he's like oh cops
don't really care about the gays now or at
least i mean that that bar i mean i would
imagine there's got to be a lot of like self-insulation as
well because not that there's no way that that like had
a big neon sign that said the tool shed out front you know this is a fucking

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underground in the in like what hell's kitchen small ass or i don't know if
this is back in jersey or not but yeah there's no way that they're advertising
and and i'm sure if If they if the guy wound up dead anywhere near that bar,
I'm sure they're like, we don't know who the fuck he is.
That's weird. Never saw this. Yeah. What bar?

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Exactly. And so he just saw that as another opportunity. Right.
He's like, cool. I'll just.
And so he did. So he he continued to murder, you know, homeless people,
gay people and do his little practicing and shit.
And he would always do it, though, like, you know, most of the time,
if quote unquote, he had a reason in his mind.
Now on the on the fucking documentary though

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he gets real serious about like making
sure you understand he has no problem with gay people oh okay he's like i have
nothing against gays i that's fine you do whatever you want he's like trying
to tell you that's not why i was murdering them it's because they were gay he's
like it's just because i can get away with it like he was very concerned that
you understand he's woke as fuck bro yeah yeah i wear a pink suit come on,

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yeah Liberace he's like come on man exactly,
you know and that's god damn I hate saying it but I'm kind of like oh good.
He's not a complete piece of shit. He still recognizes them as humans,
and they deserve the same rights.
This is actually, he's holding up a mirror to society, and he's saying,

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listen, if you treated these people with the respect and dignity that they deserve,
I wouldn't have had to kill them like this.
That's right. This is on you. The blood is on your hands, America.
That is right. That is right. It is. So fuck y'all.
As fucked up as it sounds is actually kind of true. It is true.
If we did you know i'm like half joking but like

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it is true if they just were able to live their
lives then and and police actually respected them
then yeah yeah that would have been an opportunity for him to do that correct
i mean you're right i mean you're fucking right like if they didn't have to
fucking hide then you know they this wouldn't happen but we'll go down rabbit
hole with all that but but yeah so he was saying i don't hate the gays i just wanted to kill

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people and they were there so yeah i'm a
good guy so we're gonna
we're gonna we're gonna kind of wrap it up with one more because this
one this one's kind of a oof so he has a job right meatball gives him you know
another job he's like meatballs back meatballs back meatballs like i got another

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fucking job for you and he basically says like this guy disrespected like a made guy's wife.
So not only do I want you to fucking kill him, but I want you to make him suffer.
Right. And, and, you know, bring me proof that he fucking suffered.
So this guy ended up being like a fucking car salesman, like used car salesman or some shit.
And so rich goes up and he's like, act like he needs to buy a car.

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Well, what he had done is he had parked his car like nearby.
And so when he takes this guy, you know, the guy takes him for a fucking test drive.
You know, once he gets close to where his car is, he starts saying,
oh, I think I hear like something under the hood. Can we look at it?
You know, if I'm going to buy this car, he goes like, yeah, sure.
Gets out, opens the hood. Boom. He bashes him in the head with a pistol.

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Throws him in his car and then takes him out to fucking Pine Barrens and ties him up to a tree.
Now he says the guy was like begging the whole
time like fucking you know trying to he kind
of figured out what was going on because i'm sure back then
like whatever i i don't know what he did to disrespect the fucking the the guy's
wife but i'm sure that came back to him pretty quick when this happened and

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he was like yeah so he's like oh i didn't mean to do so he like stuffed something
in his mouth was like shut the fuck up and then he like smashed his knees in with a hammer,
smasher smashed his feet then he cut his
fingers off one by one because he was like
he's like i'm gonna take you know i'm gonna take these to to meatball
and then like as he's like going to leave he's like

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you know what no i'm gonna take his head so then
he fucking cuts his fucking head off and takes
that back and meatball's like
wow here's 130
grand you're a great guy i fucking think you're the best i love that suit by

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the way yellow is your fucking color like you very smart polak You very intelligent Polish person.
Can I, can I, do you want my daughter? Like, I don't know.
And so that's where he became known, like,

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with now he was officially a so he
gave he did he gave him 130 000 and he was officially
a contract killer for all
the mob families now and he was known as the pollock and so
that's where we're going to stop we kind of glossed over the used sales used
car sales man i feel like i feel like we could have done a little bit on that

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too you know yeah like you know hits the top of the hits the top of the bumper
he's like you fit so many dead bodies in this thing richard's like oh wow wow,
I came here to kill you, but I might walk away with a new Cadillac.
Does it come in pink? You got me sold, dude.
I mean, I'm still going to kill you, but you're going to get some commission

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off of this. Give it to your kids. Yeah, you're going to get something.
You're going to get something. Yeah, that.
Oh, go ahead. No, no, no. You're right. I mean, we did just skim over that one.
I'm going to say it's your fault because you said enchilada.
It like you said the word and i was like oh yeah now it's
a race to the finish line oh my god we i skipped so

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much shit there was like 18 other murders i'm just kidding i mean
but here we are we're in new jersey talking about a used car salesman
from new jersey and you're just gonna like walk right by that like being served
to you in a silver platter like i mean that's there's i'm sure there have been
plenty of jokes that walk up was like a contract killer walks up to a used car

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salesman in new jersey like oh shit this could be a good one i heard this one.
Oh well but there is plenty more that
we will get to that i'll you'll definitely have so many
opportunities because he's not even you know you're dipping your toes in the
water right now like we haven't even jumped in motherfucker gets he gets like

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rolling and it just is like the next one like we're gonna start out because
we're gonna make this just two two episodes but i mean,
hey guys how you doing murder murder murder like that's it it's just that's
it that's it no banter shut the fuck up brad i don't give a shit keep your christian
bands to themselves jesus nobody,
cares i've got murders to talk about let's stretch out your jaw and do some

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jaw exercises before you're gonna be like the micro machines guy ripping through these murders huh.
Music.