September 4, 2024 • 44 mins
In this gripping episode, step into the chilling world of Richard "The Ice Man" Kuklinski, a man whose life reads like a dark thriller. When a simple flirtation at a vending machine spirals into a deadly game of cat and mouse, listeners are drawn into the twisted mind of one of history's most notorious contract killers.
Richard's encounter with the formidable Roy DeMayo, a ruthless mobster with his own murderous crew, sets the stage for a high-stakes showdown. Discover how a seemingly innocuous job at a film lab leads Richard deeper into the criminal underworld, where bootlegging, pornography, and cold-blooded hits become part of his daily grind.
As tensions escalate, witness the brutal clash between two psychopaths, each vying for dominance. With DeMayo's infamous Gemini Method leaving a trail of dismembered bodies, Richard must navigate a treacherous path to survive and thrive in this deadly arena. Will Richard's cunning and savagery be enough to outwit DeMayo and his murder machine? Tune in to uncover the chilling events that unfold in this deadly dance of death and deception.
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Music.
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This shit like i went to hit join and it just kept doing like the little reload reload reload,
it's frustrating could be the ghosts yeah i
mean i was thinking that but yeah you're definitely haunted
fuck them man at least like my wi-fi work like
yeah no take my booty
but yeah right leave my internet kill
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me in my sleep man that's fine but like what i got i gotta
use wi-fi bitch I got shit to do as long as
I'm living right like exactly fucking haunted
ghost fucking with my wi-fi that's bullshit yeah dude I think you should crank
up your volumes yeah yeah definitely yeah you low as shit all right what about
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that more mice moss poco poquito poquito poquito moss yeah Yeah, dude.
That's great. I've been working on my Papa De Niro song, too. Oh, yeah? Yeah, dude.
It's fucking aces, dude.
It's a fucking banger? No, it's just... No.
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Not at all. It's just some lyrics set to La Cucaracha. So it just works out perfect.
Yeah, it's great. I like that. I'm going to drop my single soon.
All right, cool. I'll be looking for it.
If i can put it on my spotify playlist along with that project 86 take us right
to the top yeah i'm here yeah no man i i did i listened to it and i was like
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all right just you know this ain't bad like i you know i apologize for giving
them shit but i mean i don't i mean it's just whatever but,
it did it did get me into like so i was listening to a couple songs and i said
okay and And then I was like, man, like, all right, let me listen to some fucking
Pantera and some Slipknot.
So all day, it's just fucking heavy metal day, man.
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I haven't listened to that shit forever. Yeah, it's a good gateway.
That's for sure. Gateway drug. Nice. Yeah.
Yeah they're good though i mean as soon as that first song started i was like
all right cool i'm vibing with it i think it was oh the one
i sent you yeah yeah i was driving it was
like some heavy heavy guitar i was like all right cool yep i'm in
yeah i was trying to i was trying to pick some that would work out this
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there's one album it's like a concept album
and it's pretty dope they're like like
i said it's they're like christian but like not so
like the whole thing is just like anti-materialism like
the whole thing yeah yeah yeah whole album is just like
starting as like like i don't
know what you want to call it like a young upstart trying to like
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make it in the world and then like seeing the people
above them wanting to be them and then watching them fall and
then like essentially like taking their place and stuff and then like falling
off in the end i was like that's pretty fucking dope yeah yeah
it's all like fuck your your money and your politics and
your goddamn power and shit your goddamn
powers you're gonna be you're just you're just
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fucking worm food at the end anyway so yeah a
little little dust in the wind i like it yeah no
it was good yeah i i kind of figured that i was watching looking to some of
the titles you know it's like fall goliath falls like oh okay i'm pretty pretty
sure i know what that's about so oh yeah yeah there you go yeah yeah but i liked
it i mean it was like a dude half the fucking let's be honest okay you know
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here on the uh project 86 podcast.
You know when you're listening to half of the heavy metal shit out there like
you don't even know what they're saying that's true to me yeah so people are
like oh those words suck like oh you heard them because yeah yeah i didn't did
you read the inside of the the the cd cover,
that's the only fucking way you're gonna know anything that that's being
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said exactly yeah yeah right yeah yeah
but i yeah go on itunes man
itunes has a like does spotify have lyrics uh sometimes
sometimes do is our transcript show
up on spotify sometimes it depends
on how it so it depends on how you're playing it like if you do it if
you like pull up the screen and that's like what you're playing it'll it'll
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show but if not then no kind of cool
yeah i like it yeah it does i mean itunes
will do it if they've been uploaded
you know like if it's if the artist has provided them oh
okay well then ours ours will be definitely on on apple then on i on i podcasts
yes oh i was just talking about music yeah ipod yeah they are i've read them
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before and like you know because it doesn't necessarily put in like the cadence
at which you're speaking And obviously,
it doesn't get any amount of sarcasm whatsoever you're reading.
He's like, what the fuck are we talking about? Like, oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I get that. That's amazing.
That's fucking amazing. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely weird because like...
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I mean, obviously you do like the cold intro some, well, after,
after the music, it's, it's kind of a cold intro without, I don't even know what you call it.
A lukewarm intro, I guess, you know, we do the intro.
It's not like, we're like, Hey, we're into the show. You know,
it's like the intro song. You're like, so there's this fucking spot on my dick
and I didn't understand.
I don't know how that got there. It wasn't there the night before.
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And I woke up with it and it's just like, you know, like what the fuck are these guys talking about?
You know and i don't i don't remember the way it came in
but all of a sudden it's just like that's literally would be the first paragraph
in our transcripts i'm like fucking
hey we're bad dude that's great
yeah i really hope that you cut that in as the beginning of this episode where
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we will you will have all the spots on all your dicks coming into this start
start right there oh my god dude speaking of well not spot on the dick but um
i don't like where this is going my man, you should not.
So I'm an emotional support guide, not necessarily a physical support guy.
You know, if my phone dings and it says like one image from Chris,
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I'm going to be like, delete. I'm not going to play mode.
Chris for the fucking eighth time. I cannot fix your clap, bro.
Stop. No, there are creams. Just find them. Stop asking.
Sorry. Anyways, go ahead. I got you. No, no. So one of the members at my gym
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come up to me the other day.
A lot of them, they'll listen to the podcast, and that's great.
And she says, yeah, so my daughter says,
listen to your podcast oh no dude i
immediately i was like no because i know because
i know her you know she comes to class sometimes how old super cool get old
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enough i mean old enough but okay we're not like 12 no no no no okay still i
was just like oh man and i and i told her i was like oh don't you know a lot
of cussing a lot of really just raunchy stuff and she's like that's yeah she's
like it's fine like she listens to that shit all the time.
I wanted to issue another while we're talking here oh my god after you blew that up yeah,
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i'm assuming we're in i'd like to apologize for
letting the c-bomb slip on the last episode
that just came it came out of left field you know
that's that's not what the hell i'd like to portray
myself so i don't i don't know if anybody turned us off right after it
never came back what's that see you see you next tuesday yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah so you
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know i will say this i was very upset about what
was happening to richard uh our our hero
the ice man and uh that that racist
cop that stupid fucking oh
terrible guy almost and that's that
was just you know you see sometimes sometimes it's just
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necessary you get emotional i do i do get into it it's the only way i can express
myself is by using that word my wife knows jesus christ happy sad it doesn't
matter like when i'm overwhelmed with joy you know like christmas morning like
you little this is beautiful it's beautiful thank you this i love this daddy necklace.
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Made out of beads and rubber bands just like i'm dropping sea bombs like you
wouldn't believe It just happens.
And I apologize for that. That's on me. I need to control myself in public.
Public apology well the other option
is that you're just not invested at all and you just don't care so
it's like i like to see the passion if i'm being honest exactly like
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you can fuck up every now and then but it just shows that you're in
it you know what i'm saying like you and rick are fucking in
it yeah so you get upset you throw it down
i'm always holding back peak peak emotion
just so everyone knows you know that's that's it's
gonna get hairy at that point you're getting me at like 80 90 you know
yeah there's love there's levels to this shit you know like if you don't drop that
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see you next tuesday you might rip the fucking mic off and throw it
against the wall like nobody wants that no no
no you got to let it out it's like a like a like a steam pot you
know it's got a someone's got to come out or it's going to blow up this is also
very sexual this whole conversation has just gotten very sexual it always gets
sexual one of my friends they're like so do you guys go like two minutes without
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talking about dicks and i was like no.
I was like what do you expect dude it's a fucking murder podcast of course we
talk about dicks all the time hello obviously they're not well acquainted with
the genre that's all it's too it's like anyone you you know you can go listen to morbid they're like.
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We're millennial chicks talking about dick don't sue us guys we're just everyone
are they gonna sue for what my computer god the house shoes i'm wearing right
now have at it please well don't sue me then.
Fucking sue the shit out of him dude oh got
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money over here matt money matt money
and trying to give you none but you know it is what it is i put on the whole
uh i put on the happy face there and i'm like the nicest guy in the world so
that's what uh everybody thinks until they listen to the podcast just holding
it exactly like like god he didn't kill him good enough they're like whoa Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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The fuck, Chris? Practice makes perfect, my man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of killing, let's get back on the Mr. Iceman, Mr. Rick the Dick Kiklink.
So you are ready. The last time we left off here is he was keeping the Pine
Barrens in business, right?
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And we missed a bunch of, or I'm going to say me, I missed a bunch of prime
opportunities for the used car salesman in New Jersey getting jacked up. Yeah.
Yeah. I was holding all in. I was...
I was bussing, but you were on a roll, dude.
You're on a murder roll. Sometimes the murders are more important than the jokes. Sometimes. Seldom.
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Yeah, seldom. Fuck these things. But he got a big old pay for that.
He got like 10 grand, which back then was like $100 million. I did the conversion.
Are you joking? I'm absolutely joking. Okay. Just making sure.
I've checked. checked i thought it was like like it's like
a nine to one ratio or one to two however you want
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to put it yeah so like 10 grand is like 100 grand now
that would have to be like 15 20 like 10
grand to be like that much money i'm like this sounds
right i'm not gonna argue christmas everything dumb knows
the capital of alaska and how to pronounce a
claire so you claire i
don't know you clear i clear nobody cares nobody cares so the problem the problem
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with the ice man though man is like he was he was making these monies off these
hits but he was also spending a fuck ton of money i don't know if we hit on
this last time like about him going to vegas he'd gamble,
okay so he just was just he'd get the money he'd spend it so between these hits
and all these jobs he decided okay i need to look for like an actual job to
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to you know kind of hold me over before you know until i get more more mob jobs
right and so he went to work for this trucking company,
as like a loader because again he was like six six like 800 pounds yeah cocked
he's just a big fucking dude right and the whole time though he was kind of
like checking these trucks and seeing and which ones he could steal shit from
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or stick up or whatever. Yeah, something fell off the back, right?
Yeah, I guess. Or if he's like, oh, there's a lot of good shit on this truck, let's rob it.
Yeah, I think he thought like more big time, but so while he was working there,
he's at the vending machine and he meets a lady named Barbara.
Okay. Now I didn't talk about this. Now, Barbara, we're going to talk about
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Barbara a lot in this, this episode.
What I did not mention, because it's really not talked about a lot in any of
the documentaries, any of the books, but he was married.
Okay. Previous to this. he was married to
somebody named Linda and they actually
had some kids it ended because he
said you know she was cheating on him and he cut her nipples off and that's
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really all they talk about like he just bounced out of there it was they got
married when he was real young and they don't really talk much about it so I
I didn't put too much stock into trying to talk about her because Because to
me, she kind of lucked out.
I don't know if he actually cut her nipples off, but regardless,
she got out of there and got the fuck away from him. So it's kind of like a win-win, right?
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Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like you were just kind of racing through the nipple thing.
And this is the first time. We're going to go fourth wall here.
I'm going to let the audience know a little fact here is that you sent me the notes on this.
Because normally I don't know what's going on. you know if you're coming late
to the show here Chris is the genius behind all these murders I know what I
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said and laughing laughing,
and and i'm just
sitting here aghast horrified you know i've become desensitized over
the months over the episodes yeah getting better.
At it before it was like you know i'd i'd have to throw up at
the end of every episode and you know watch
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an episode of like the care bears or something like that before i went to bed and
then you know it'd be all right now it's not so bad now
i only now i just throw up i can do without the care bears but
so i started reading your notes workouts right because
you're like hey get prepared you know we're professionals don't
be an asshole and i'm like cool i read cut her
nipples off and i closed my computer i'm like i'm good i think
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i got it literally i did i got to
that part and he cut her nipples off i'm like i need a
natural reaction to that right now because i can't just be like
oh well that's interesting now that was horrifying
i can't imagine that that's oh my god dude so
this is what he claims happened is he
you know he caught her sleeping
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with one of his friends at a hotel and
he beat the shit out of the guy and then cut
her nipples off and then just just vanished
said i'm not even fucking with her no more i you
know now listen going forward i will just put this
out there a lot of people debate some of the stories he's
saying they're like ah they seem made up i i'm just gonna
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go ahead and say i don't agree with that
i don't think he's lying about any of these i just don't i.
Don't see a reason and there's a lot of yeah there's a
lot of that are absolutely true that sound like they would never be true so
like why the fuck you know like we're gonna get into some murders where he does
some stuff that you're like that is out of this fucking world but those are
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backed up and proven and so when you're doing some crazy shit like that why
lie about cutting nipples off? It doesn't make any sense.
So we're going to take him in his word for all these.
And also, who the fuck,
is brave slash dumb enough
to hook up with his wife yeah
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you must be out of your motherfucking mind
you're like i'll if man i i'm
gonna go ahead and say dudes do some crazy
stuff to get it you know i mean i
think there's probably been crazy i mean the trojan war
right that was you know the attack on troy right
like yeah yeah that was all over
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some smush you know yeah but he had a whole
army like this guy this guy was just some fucking
chump dick and like he you
know i mean maybe he didn't know you know maybe he didn't know richard
was like a fucking murderer but man you
still knew how big he was so i mean good luck yeah maybe
it's just like the magical vagina though this is
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a a golden badge i don't know dude lynn is just that good
that good yeah she just kind of she she
let him in on what's what's gonna happen yeah obviously richard i'm sure he's
a pretty mechanical diabolical lover you know let's put it that way there's
not a lot of passion going on there so no no you probably she probably lured
him and he secured him well now she ain't got.
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No nipples victim victim shaming
this is unbelievable oh just talking about the kevin hart
thing it's funny all right so so he
met barbara at the vending machine and he kind
of you know took a liking to her was i think flirting with her a little bit
well after this you know his boss at this company was kind of taking his own
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liking to barbara and he kind of told rick to To fuck off. Leave her alone.
Now. Right.
The reason the boss had taken a liking to her. Is because I guess.
She looked like his daughter.
Is that supposed to be a good thing? Right. So when I first read that,
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I was like, wow, dude, you're fucking gross.
I think it was more of a protective liking. I'm looking out for her.
She's kind of under my wing or whatever. I don't know. He could just be a pervert. Okay.
But Richard is sitting in his office, and this guy looks at him and says,
hey, leave her the fuck alone. And Richard's like, fuck you.
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Shove this job up your ass, and he storms out.
Okay. Now Richard went home and said, okay, I'm going to go back in a couple
of hours when, you know, it's closing time and I'm going to kill this.
I'm going to kill this guy.
Because again, he was a kind of a psycho. Like that was a good enough reason
for him to murder somebody. Yeah.
So he goes back up planning on killing his boss.
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And I guess he stopped for a soda again. And there's fucking Barbara at the vending machine.
And so he tells her, Hey, you You know, I got fired because I was trying to flirt with you.
And so I guess, you know, she kind of felt bad and was like,
oh, okay, well, you know, let's go get coffee or something like that.
Like kind of like a pity date.
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And now Richard wasn't even, so I got to put this out here. Richard wasn't even
into her, like really wasn't attracted to her like that.
But he wanted to now just to piss this guy off. Like he changed his revenge up.
So they went out and got coffee. And then after that, they planned like a date
where they went and seen like the new Casper cartoon movie.
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I guess they were both kind of into cartoons, which I don't know.
I guess that's normal back then. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.
I mean, I talk shit. I just, I don't watch family guy and it's still a cartoon, but.
But I don't know if I said this in the first one, but he would he would watch
cartoons sometimes for ideas on how to kill people. Oh, wow.
Did I tell you that? No, I didn't. No, I didn't understand. So he would watch
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like he would drop ideas on people or shit.
That's all like like Looney Tunes and shit. Right.
There was one where and he actually as I tell you this, he actually tried this.
So one of the cartoons where, you know, I think it's like Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny or some shit.
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And like, you know, Bugs looks through the peephole or something like that,
and Elmer Fudd like shoots him through the door.
He did that. So he was like, oh, I'm going to try that.
And went, did the peephole test, and he could tell when the peephole got dark
from his side, somebody was there, and he shot him. Wow.
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He's like, oh, that works. Okay. This is like, the world is just this guy's playground.
Yeah, apparently. Now, Barbara would later say that this was the biggest mistake
she ever made in her life was going out with him for a day. Oh, shit. Duh.
Well, Barbara, now, she would be kind of like described as one of those like
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your typical kind of like mob wives, you know, kind of look real innocent, naive.
It just kind of went about her business. And whatever Richard said he was doing,
that's what she believed, right? Yeah, sure, sure. I don't want to know, whatever.
Well, Barbara's family didn't really feel the same way. A lot of them did not like Richard.
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Now, a big part of that was because he was not Italian. They didn't like that.
Yeah, he was a dumb Polack. He was a dumb Polack, right? Not my words.
Yeah, theirs. Probably theirs, 100%, right? Because they were super,
what is it, discriminatory, whatever you want to call it. Like,
you're not fucking Italian. We don't like you.
But her aunt actually took it a little bit farther because she was like,
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yeah, it's not just that. Like, something about him is fucking off, right?
And so she hired a private eye to
like follow him around the private i
came back and he was like yeah he's definitely into some fucked up
shit like he's in hard with you know criminal activity all this you know yada
yada yada that should have made her happy though like oh what oh he's with the
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mafia oh oh he's good honey he's good for you that's perfect just we get it
yeah yeah they're They're Italian. They're Italian. So it's good. It's good.
Close enough. Yeah. Cool. Cannolis. Yeah. Whatever.
Crimes and cannolis. Crimes and cannolis. It's a good book.
But she tried to warn Barbara. Barbara didn't give a fuck. She was like,
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ah, whatever. I don't care.
I'm just, I know the timeframe probably isn't right for this,
but I'm just picking like big hair, long nails and like big jewelry and just
like chewing gum and, you know, like shiny outfits and puffy pants and stuff.
You think of like them girls from Greece. The...
You don't talk about the movies or from the country. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't.
Yeah. Yeah. The whole country is like that long nails.
Am I missing something yet? I had never been like the movie, the lady. Yeah, sure.
The birds of shit. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. That probably sounds about right.
Or yeah. Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
Good movie. I haven't seen it like 20 years, but yeah, yeah,
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exactly. No, you're, you're, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
That's exactly what, what we're talking about.
Because yeah we're talking about like 60s about right here yeah yep yeah because
they got married in 1961 so it's about that time frame okay but right before
they got married she tried to say you know she was she was dating but she was
like listen i don't want anything serious yet,
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you know i'm not ready to like commit to this maybe we should see other people,
and she said this while they were in the car driving back to her house i guess
they just just watched another fucking casper movie and this motherfucker pulls out a hunting knife,
puts the tip in her back and he's like no you're not seeing anybody else if you leave,
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i will kill your entire family and like it's pressing like i try to really think
about this for a minute because i know we talk about a lot of murders and shit
like that and but like that has got to be terrifying you know like because i
think he actually like i mean he didn't like
stab her, but he put the tip in her like she was bleeding.
And he just said, and he said with a straight face, like, I'll kill your entire
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family. So you're not going anywhere.
And then she said, okay. And he put the knife back and drove her home, gave her a kiss goodbye.
Like, what the fuck?
Yeah. All right. Like, are you, obviously you're a different person.
Your situation is vastly different. But if you try to put yourself in her shoes,
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are you just, what are you doing at that point? Are you moving?
Right. Right. That's what I'm thinking too, because I mean, you're probably terrified.
So you could move maybe, and we'll get to that. She actually does at one point,
but, but, but I mean, like you said, what do you do?
I mean, it's not, it's not like present day where, I mean, still,
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there's not many more choices, but you know, you're kind of stuck in your situation
and you know, the guys that like, you already had the private investigator say he's bad news.
He's with the mob. mob now you're terrified especially back then like fucking
the mob runs everything so yeah yeah i mean i don't want my whole family to
die there's no saying that you can get away,
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no matter where you i mean the guy flies across the country to see liberace play in vegas.
But i think it would be easier to hide a
little bit at that time you know no internet
you know credit cards to trace that
sort of stuff so yeah i mean maybe
just not the means to do it but geez yeah i i
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don't know i don't know you go home after that date i think
i'm i think i'm finding all the money that i can
possibly put together i'm getting in a car and i'm fucking leaving fair
that's fair but check this out because then what about your
family because that was the oh no they're leaving too they're leaving too we're
all you're all leaving guys wake the fuck up pack your bags get your fucking
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cannolis you're not italian anymore you're greek you're the The Constantinopolis
is from fucking Athens and you're going to go live in fucking Houston, Texas.
That's, that's a good name. You're the only Greek people in Houston,
but it doesn't fucking matter. Yeah.
Because i'm not dead and neither are you you're
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welcome you're fucking eating salads and shit
like no more spaghetti sorry fucking we're eating
healthy how about that though dude like you were eating all the shit if you're
a barber at this point like you come back and you tell auntie like hey by the
way if i break up with him he's gonna kill you and me and like holy shit dude
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that's That's rough. That's yeah. That's rough.
Yeah. I mean, you're, you're eating some fucking humble pie. That's for sure.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You're not doing shit. I don't, I don't know.
I mean, that's a hard one.
And like I said, she did try to run. So she, so she didn't run at first, right?
She ended up, she kind of took his warning and she got pregnant.
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And when she got pregnant, I guess she was like, fuck, I can't,
I can't do this. You know, I can't be with this guy.
So she ran to Florida. and now here's the fucked up part her mom being so afraid
of her daughter being a single mother.
Told richard where she was oh my word knowing
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full well that this guy was a piece of shit and had
already been abusive to her but was like you know what the stigma
of having like a single mother i can't do it so hey
richard there's where she had to pick her up yeah god what
an idiot it yeah and i think at
that point barbara just gave in she's like okay cool so fuck
it least favorite person so far in the
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podcast the mom his mom yeah oh yeah mom sucks this guy's shooting people fucking
daffy duck style through fucking doors and i prefer him to her so yeah yeah
yeah absolutely because at least he like ratted his own kid out but yeah she
sucks dude and when they did this.
I mean, she gave in, they had, they ended up having three kids, two girls and a boy.
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One of them, I just want to mention her name was Merrick. It was the oldest of the three.
There's a lot of things out there to say, like she was his favorite and really
the only one of the kids that he would ever really like open up to.
And it just, you know, there, there was like one time where,
you know, she was like really sick and in the hospital and he would like go
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visit her and like tell her stories and rubber hair, like trying to make her feel better.
So it was odd because it was the only one of the children he actually had this
kind of emotional connection to.
And you don't really know why ever.
But the one, I guess if we had to give him a gold star here because he was still
very violent, like he would,
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abuse these shit out of barbara he was he was physically
violent he would flip a switch he'd be good one day bad one day whatever but
he never beat his kids so you know he's like thinking in his head i'm better
than my fucking dad right because his dad beat everybody his dad beat fucking
everybody in the house yeah so you know you the whole point is to improve from your
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fucking parents right so he did one thing better yeah now
he had a this is
this is so fucked up he had a trick that he
would use to not beat his kids right yeah
yeah i'm i'm taking notes right
now okay that's what i was hoping you would do right i was like maybe brad
can use this like i'm gonna beat the dog right after this
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show but yeah hopefully you can figure something out
with this but um kids it's gonna be a good night daddy's
coming in happy maybe i
don't know so when he got when he got
worked up and felt like beating his kids he would punch himself in the face
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until he passed out and then when he woke up he would get up and walk out the
house kids just kidding i ain't doing that shit it's weird i'm not fighting myself to not fight you.
Oh my god they're soft they're soft dude i gotta begin i mean you walk you listen
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you get an argument with your dad he's this big fucking six six dude and he's
like yelling and all of a sudden
just starts beating the shit out of himself and passes out you're like the fuck
he goes straight ed norton and fight club and you're like all right that's what i thought yeah.
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Step over him as he's passed out like i'm gonna go get some baseball cards oh
my god you're like we're already at the end of the movie like what the fuck,
that's fucking wild dude i feel like i
feel like kuklinski would beat this shit out of
brad pitt in that movie i would i would put all my money on him
yeah yeah just just size alone
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he would just pick him up oh yeah yeah yeah
they're not in the same weight class whatsoever no well it was a good that
was a great movie though it was a great movie now we
have another great movie that we can reference when we're doing
a weird accent so if you haven't caught bought us on patreon yet do a absolute
shit show of taking famous lines from famous movies and doing them in borderly
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to definitely offensive accent oh very offensive especially yours was horrible
i don't know why you would do that.
Fight club quotes i love it uh couldn't
name any on top of my head but we'll get there yeah god uh
so moving on now oh great fucking cut
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in okay so i do remember one of
the things in fight club was he would take the the film reels yes and splice
porn yeah just big old dicks again here we go every five minutes big hairy cocks
yeah i think we were due i was wondering i thought i felt weird yeah like the
timer going off i'm like check talking about beating my kids I got that one down.
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I know I pepper that in every two, three minutes or so, but.
That's okay. I mean, you're kids, right?
It's like, oh, he's your dog, you know? Well, he got a job. So he got a job at a film lab.
And of course, instead of just like doing his job, he started making copies
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of these movies. And he would make these copies and sell them to the movie theaters.
So, and he was making a fuck ton of money doing this because you'd have a movie
theater and instead of, you know, buying the movie from Disney for however fucking
much he would just sell it to him for, you know, half of that and still make
thousands of dollars. Right. That's smart.
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The guy was a workhorse. I'll give him that.
Yo, he fucking worked. I can definitely appreciate that much.
And so this kind of put him right back into crime he's like fucking i i'm not staying away from this,
and he hired a crew and they ended up stealing like they were just going around
like jacking trucks and shit like that and they stole a truck of like casio
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watches you ever had one of those casio uh i don't know if i had one but i i
know them yeah yeah and i imagine back then they're They're still,
they're, you know, way like higher as, as far as like high end,
but yeah. So, I mean, stole a whole fucking truckload.
He had a buyer set up. This guy, his name was Phil Soleimani.
I'm going to say all these names wrong. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you.
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I don't know if I say any of them right, but it's like, I just want to say like
Phil Calamari the whole time. Like I don't.
Wasn't that in your notes? Was Calamari? Oh, it's with a C though, right? Is it with a C?
It's with an S. It's with an S. I thought in your notes, I thought I saw with
a C, but that's. There is a C, but this is Phil Salami. Salamini.
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You haven't said it right. No, you haven't said it the same way once.
It's been three times and it hasn't been. it's salamity it's frank salmonella
i don't know i just want to call him salami now call it that i don't know but uh i could tell him phil.
Phil was into so phil was into the porn industry right okay yeah that's fine
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in the 60s because you actually had to like go get porn i mean now you can pull
up your phone and watch whatever you
want but phil was into you know
selling the weird shit too like bestiality group
stuff blood play whatever the fuck that is when
does it get to the when do you get to the weird stuff yeah i was
trying to get there i know your limits very high i was yeah yeah
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yeah my threshold for weird shit is i was
like well go uh he'll tap in some
point exactly you're just waiting for
the gasp right like i'm like you're like
oh okay blood play you're like oh yeah yeah it's a typical tuesday for me guy
honey it's blood play tuesday pull out a fucking shank i don't i see i don't
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even know i don't even know that's what blood play is i'm like you stab each
other like that That sounds weird,
but acting like I don't know.
So Richard's like, all right. He's like, he can make more money getting into
this business, like bootlegging this shit.
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And so he gets into that and he actually ends up getting a crew together,
like a film crew and everything.
And he starts doing his own. Like he goes on a consignment making his own stuff, right?
Like he has directors. there's a fit like the dude i'm telling you he just
set up shop started working dude this guy's like your hero
yeah yeah yeah to an extent yeah yeah
yeah yeah well i'm glad you put that in there i wasn't i was just gonna let
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it ride but if you that's fine no i mean yeah he is i mean he's a fucking he's
a hustler he's not that he just you know he's got to tweak himself a little
bit but yeah yeah he's a hustler now this would introduce him to roy de mayo,
Now, I know we talked about some of these movies last time. We talked about
Goodfellas, which a lot of this shit, now we're getting into it.
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And you said you have seen that, correct?
No. No, I haven't. Fuck, dude. The worst. Watch that. I know.
It's on my list. It's on the watch list. There is a character in Goodfellas
that this guy, I swear to God, they can say whatever the fuck they want.
Oh, it's after so-and-so. No, it's got to be after him. But it's like Joe Pesci's
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character in Goodfellas. Okay. So I know Joe Pesci. Yeah.
I know that character. I've seen scenes like the, am I funny?
What kind of funny? Yeah, exactly.
Like a clown funny, like funny aha. Yeah.
And so this guy was, he was pretty close to being like a made man.
And the film company that owned the cameras that basically Richard was using
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for consignment, they had gotten a debt with DeMeo.
And DeMeo came in to this company and instead of like killing everybody,
he just said, okay, it's my company now right i own it and then
so richard's doing this consignment shit he
wasn't really flipping the stuff as fast as he you know
wanted to so the money wasn't coming in but you
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know he still owed fucking de mayo half you know
there's a good scene about that in there he's like oh i can't come with the money fuck you
pay me right so de mayo
says hey you know you need to come see me now like
we need to talk about this you owe me some money so richard goes
in to see him and now he knew kind of
who he was and they kind of knew who each other was but like not
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enough right they didn't know because you're gonna find out
de mayo is a fucking psycho like he makes richard look
soft um richard had like some coat like he wouldn't fucking you know kill kids
you know he tried to stay away from like families dude de mayo would kill everybody
he didn't give a shit he was like very unstable and and we'll get into him more
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but and so richard had no idea so he goes was going to see this guy,
And DeMayo is this like short, fat, you know, fucking whatever.
Yeah, pretty meatball too, right?
And he tells Richie, he's like, hey, I want my fucking money like now.
So Rich is looking at him. He goes, yeah, don't fucking talk to me like that.
You know, you'll get your fucking money when I give it to you and goes to walk out.
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So he goes up to the elevator, clink, you know, hits the button, about to leave.
When all of a sudden de mayo comes up with like two other guys and they beat
the fucking piss out of them like pistol whip them beat them in the fucking
face with like the butt of a shotgun,
and like almost kill them and they say okay you don't know who you're fucking
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with give us the fucking money you got like a couple days okay so this is what
happens when an immovable object hits an unstoppable force this is what you
go right now dude this is what i'm picturing two.
Psychopaths and dude i'm gonna tell you again my boy richard dude i'm pulling for him you 12,
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that's good i'm pulling for him right now here he is again this is this dude
and i think it's just because this resembles so much a movie you know like like
the same way you pull for and And forgive me again, because I'm not a big Sopranos fan. I know it.
I picture him as, what's the main guy?
Is it Gambino? Is it Gambino? Tony? Tony, what's his last name?
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Oh, Soprano. Fuck me. No.
I don't fucking know. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's the stupidest thing.
I don't ask you to edit much out, but you gotta fucking ask.
Oh, whoa. Dude, but you're, yeah.
What's the guy what's the main guy in sopranos what's his fucking name no there
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is a giambini somewhere what what fucking movie is that i think you're thinking
of uh i think you're thinking of his actual name because his name is actually gandolfini,
gandolfini yeah yeah yeah no honestly about that and i did yes and i was thinking
him because he's also in that movie have you seen that movie the mexican with
um brad pitt and julie roberts he's a hit man in that movie.
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And I just, I'm picturing him. I did catch a glimpse of what Richard actually looks like.
And I feel like they actually kind of look like if you give a bit of a,
like a goatee, I feel like they might, they might match up.
But I feel like in the same way that you're like rooting for Tony Soprano,
who I'm sure is a piece of shit in the show. Cause I've never actually seen the whole thing.
Like I kind of feel the same way. And maybe that's why, you know,
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this dude is a cold blooded, real human that did horrible, horrible shit.
And I would never want to meet him. And I do not, justify anything that he did
whatsoever, but I keep finding myself in this place where I'm like,
why do I, in every other one of these things, it's just like find the fucking
guy before we kill somebody else.
You know, that's what I'm thinking all the time, like whoever he's raping,
killing, whatever, stop this person because I don't want to hear another murder,
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but for this guy, I'm like...
Go ice fucking meatball too like what
do you do and it goes back to this this whole thing right where i say hey
man buckle up but now this is a grown man
killing other grown men so like we kind of have this like
thing where we're like you know yeah it sucks but you're a
grown-ass man like it's fine you know like it's it's
not but you know if if he was going around murdering
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10 year olds like i don't even think we wouldn't really
be able to get through the story without out being like dude i hope this guy dies of
like nut cancer like right now sure there'll be no pulling
for him at all right and i'm not sure with anything he
does but in the in the the contrast
of all the horrible shit we talk about he's one of the ones that you can kind
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of be like well it's a story let's fucking just see what happens right yeah
exactly yeah now so he gets his ass beat and he decided he's like okay i've
got to kill this guy i've got to kill the male but that's It's like his fucking catchphrase.
He is almost a made man.
In fact, I need to try to make amends and get more work. Because again,
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he was doing jobs for the mob.
And so if he got off bad with one of an almost made man, those jobs are probably going to dry up.
So a little bit about DeMayo. Now his crew, remember I told you they killed fucking everybody.
They were actually called like the murder machine. They had like a nickname.
Name damn and they would hang out this place called
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the gemini lounge and their favorite method
to kill somebody they they like had this whole fucking
name for it this whole method called the gemini method which
is fucking crazy so what they would do is
somebody would walk in he would come out silencer to the head right wrap a towel
around the other side immediately right to kind of like stop the bleeding and
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as soon as he shot the guy and put the towel on him Another guy would come out
and stab him in the heart to stop the blood flow.
Then they would strip him down, take him to the bathroom and hang him upside
down to kind of let him like, you know, soak out. Yeah.
And then once he did that, they would take him out to the living room,
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put him over plastic and fucking dismember him. That was the Gemini method.
Music.
Music.
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This shit like i went to hit join and it just kept doing like the little reload reload reload,
it's frustrating could be the ghosts yeah i
mean i was thinking that but yeah you're definitely haunted
fuck them man at least like my wi-fi work like
yeah no take my booty
but yeah right leave my internet kill
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me in my sleep man that's fine but like what i got i gotta
use wi-fi bitch I got shit to do as long as
I'm living right like exactly fucking haunted
ghost fucking with my wi-fi that's bullshit yeah dude I think you should crank
up your volumes yeah yeah definitely yeah you low as shit all right what about
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that more mice moss poco poquito poquito poquito moss yeah Yeah, dude.
That's great. I've been working on my Papa De Niro song, too. Oh, yeah? Yeah, dude.
It's fucking aces, dude.
It's a fucking banger? No, it's just... No.
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Not at all. It's just some lyrics set to La Cucaracha. So it just works out perfect.
Yeah, it's great. I like that. I'm going to drop my single soon.
All right, cool. I'll be looking for it.
If i can put it on my spotify playlist along with that project 86 take us right
to the top yeah i'm here yeah no man i i did i listened to it and i was like
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all right just you know this ain't bad like i you know i apologize for giving
them shit but i mean i don't i mean it's just whatever but,
it did it did get me into like so i was listening to a couple songs and i said
okay and And then I was like, man, like, all right, let me listen to some fucking
Pantera and some Slipknot.
So all day, it's just fucking heavy metal day, man.
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I haven't listened to that shit forever. Yeah, it's a good gateway.
That's for sure. Gateway drug. Nice. Yeah.
Yeah they're good though i mean as soon as that first song started i was like
all right cool i'm vibing with it i think it was oh the one
i sent you yeah yeah i was driving it was
like some heavy heavy guitar i was like all right cool yep i'm in
yeah i was trying to i was trying to pick some that would work out this
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there's one album it's like a concept album
and it's pretty dope they're like like
i said it's they're like christian but like not so
like the whole thing is just like anti-materialism like
the whole thing yeah yeah yeah whole album is just like
starting as like like i don't
know what you want to call it like a young upstart trying to like
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make it in the world and then like seeing the people
above them wanting to be them and then watching them fall and
then like essentially like taking their place and stuff and then like falling
off in the end i was like that's pretty fucking dope yeah yeah
it's all like fuck your your money and your politics and
your goddamn power and shit your goddamn
powers you're gonna be you're just you're just
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fucking worm food at the end anyway so yeah a
little little dust in the wind i like it yeah no
it was good yeah i i kind of figured that i was watching looking to some of
the titles you know it's like fall goliath falls like oh okay i'm pretty pretty
sure i know what that's about so oh yeah yeah there you go yeah yeah but i liked
it i mean it was like a dude half the fucking let's be honest okay you know
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here on the uh project 86 podcast.
You know when you're listening to half of the heavy metal shit out there like
you don't even know what they're saying that's true to me yeah so people are
like oh those words suck like oh you heard them because yeah yeah i didn't did
you read the inside of the the the cd cover,
that's the only fucking way you're gonna know anything that that's being
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said exactly yeah yeah right yeah yeah
but i yeah go on itunes man
itunes has a like does spotify have lyrics uh sometimes
sometimes do is our transcript show
up on spotify sometimes it depends
on how it so it depends on how you're playing it like if you do it if
you like pull up the screen and that's like what you're playing it'll it'll
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show but if not then no kind of cool
yeah i like it yeah it does i mean itunes
will do it if they've been uploaded
you know like if it's if the artist has provided them oh
okay well then ours ours will be definitely on on apple then on i on i podcasts
yes oh i was just talking about music yeah ipod yeah they are i've read them
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before and like you know because it doesn't necessarily put in like the cadence
at which you're speaking And obviously,
it doesn't get any amount of sarcasm whatsoever you're reading.
He's like, what the fuck are we talking about? Like, oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I get that. That's amazing.
That's fucking amazing. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely weird because like...
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I mean, obviously you do like the cold intro some, well, after,
after the music, it's, it's kind of a cold intro without, I don't even know what you call it.
A lukewarm intro, I guess, you know, we do the intro.
It's not like, we're like, Hey, we're into the show. You know,
it's like the intro song. You're like, so there's this fucking spot on my dick
and I didn't understand.
I don't know how that got there. It wasn't there the night before.
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And I woke up with it and it's just like, you know, like what the fuck are these guys talking about?
You know and i don't i don't remember the way it came in
but all of a sudden it's just like that's literally would be the first paragraph
in our transcripts i'm like fucking
hey we're bad dude that's great
yeah i really hope that you cut that in as the beginning of this episode where
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we will you will have all the spots on all your dicks coming into this start
start right there oh my god dude speaking of well not spot on the dick but um
i don't like where this is going my man, you should not.
So I'm an emotional support guide, not necessarily a physical support guy.
You know, if my phone dings and it says like one image from Chris,
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I'm going to be like, delete. I'm not going to play mode.
Chris for the fucking eighth time. I cannot fix your clap, bro.
Stop. No, there are creams. Just find them. Stop asking.
Sorry. Anyways, go ahead. I got you. No, no. So one of the members at my gym
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come up to me the other day.
A lot of them, they'll listen to the podcast, and that's great.
And she says, yeah, so my daughter says,
listen to your podcast oh no dude i
immediately i was like no because i know because
i know her you know she comes to class sometimes how old super cool get old
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enough i mean old enough but okay we're not like 12 no no no no okay still i
was just like oh man and i and i told her i was like oh don't you know a lot
of cussing a lot of really just raunchy stuff and she's like that's yeah she's
like it's fine like she listens to that shit all the time.
I wanted to issue another while we're talking here oh my god after you blew that up yeah,
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i'm assuming we're in i'd like to apologize for
letting the c-bomb slip on the last episode
that just came it came out of left field you know
that's that's not what the hell i'd like to portray
myself so i don't i don't know if anybody turned us off right after it
never came back what's that see you see you next tuesday yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah so you
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know i will say this i was very upset about what
was happening to richard uh our our hero
the ice man and uh that that racist
cop that stupid fucking oh
terrible guy almost and that's that
was just you know you see sometimes sometimes it's just
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necessary you get emotional i do i do get into it it's the only way i can express
myself is by using that word my wife knows jesus christ happy sad it doesn't
matter like when i'm overwhelmed with joy you know like christmas morning like
you little this is beautiful it's beautiful thank you this i love this daddy necklace.
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Made out of beads and rubber bands just like i'm dropping sea bombs like you
wouldn't believe It just happens.
And I apologize for that. That's on me. I need to control myself in public.
Public apology well the other option
is that you're just not invested at all and you just don't care so
it's like i like to see the passion if i'm being honest exactly like
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you can fuck up every now and then but it just shows that you're in
it you know what i'm saying like you and rick are fucking in
it yeah so you get upset you throw it down
i'm always holding back peak peak emotion
just so everyone knows you know that's that's it's
gonna get hairy at that point you're getting me at like 80 90 you know
yeah there's love there's levels to this shit you know like if you don't drop that
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see you next tuesday you might rip the fucking mic off and throw it
against the wall like nobody wants that no no
no you got to let it out it's like a like a like a steam pot you
know it's got a someone's got to come out or it's going to blow up this is also
very sexual this whole conversation has just gotten very sexual it always gets
sexual one of my friends they're like so do you guys go like two minutes without
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talking about dicks and i was like no.
I was like what do you expect dude it's a fucking murder podcast of course we
talk about dicks all the time hello obviously they're not well acquainted with
the genre that's all it's too it's like anyone you you know you can go listen to morbid they're like.
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We're millennial chicks talking about dick don't sue us guys we're just everyone
are they gonna sue for what my computer god the house shoes i'm wearing right
now have at it please well don't sue me then.
Fucking sue the shit out of him dude oh got
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money over here matt money matt money
and trying to give you none but you know it is what it is i put on the whole
uh i put on the happy face there and i'm like the nicest guy in the world so
that's what uh everybody thinks until they listen to the podcast just holding
it exactly like like god he didn't kill him good enough they're like whoa Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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The fuck, Chris? Practice makes perfect, my man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of killing, let's get back on the Mr. Iceman, Mr. Rick the Dick Kiklink.
So you are ready. The last time we left off here is he was keeping the Pine
Barrens in business, right?
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And we missed a bunch of, or I'm going to say me, I missed a bunch of prime
opportunities for the used car salesman in New Jersey getting jacked up. Yeah.
Yeah. I was holding all in. I was...
I was bussing, but you were on a roll, dude.
You're on a murder roll. Sometimes the murders are more important than the jokes. Sometimes. Seldom.
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Yeah, seldom. Fuck these things. But he got a big old pay for that.
He got like 10 grand, which back then was like $100 million. I did the conversion.
Are you joking? I'm absolutely joking. Okay. Just making sure.
I've checked. checked i thought it was like like it's like
a nine to one ratio or one to two however you want
(12:03):
to put it yeah so like 10 grand is like 100 grand now
that would have to be like 15 20 like 10
grand to be like that much money i'm like this sounds
right i'm not gonna argue christmas everything dumb knows
the capital of alaska and how to pronounce a
claire so you claire i
don't know you clear i clear nobody cares nobody cares so the problem the problem
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with the ice man though man is like he was he was making these monies off these
hits but he was also spending a fuck ton of money i don't know if we hit on
this last time like about him going to vegas he'd gamble,
okay so he just was just he'd get the money he'd spend it so between these hits
and all these jobs he decided okay i need to look for like an actual job to
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to you know kind of hold me over before you know until i get more more mob jobs
right and so he went to work for this trucking company,
as like a loader because again he was like six six like 800 pounds yeah cocked
he's just a big fucking dude right and the whole time though he was kind of
like checking these trucks and seeing and which ones he could steal shit from
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or stick up or whatever. Yeah, something fell off the back, right?
Yeah, I guess. Or if he's like, oh, there's a lot of good shit on this truck, let's rob it.
Yeah, I think he thought like more big time, but so while he was working there,
he's at the vending machine and he meets a lady named Barbara.
Okay. Now I didn't talk about this. Now, Barbara, we're going to talk about
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Barbara a lot in this, this episode.
What I did not mention, because it's really not talked about a lot in any of
the documentaries, any of the books, but he was married.
Okay. Previous to this. he was married to
somebody named Linda and they actually
had some kids it ended because he
said you know she was cheating on him and he cut her nipples off and that's
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really all they talk about like he just bounced out of there it was they got
married when he was real young and they don't really talk much about it so I
I didn't put too much stock into trying to talk about her because Because to
me, she kind of lucked out.
I don't know if he actually cut her nipples off, but regardless,
she got out of there and got the fuck away from him. So it's kind of like a win-win, right?
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Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like you were just kind of racing through the nipple thing.
And this is the first time. We're going to go fourth wall here.
I'm going to let the audience know a little fact here is that you sent me the notes on this.
Because normally I don't know what's going on. you know if you're coming late
to the show here Chris is the genius behind all these murders I know what I
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said and laughing laughing,
and and i'm just
sitting here aghast horrified you know i've become desensitized over
the months over the episodes yeah getting better.
At it before it was like you know i'd i'd have to throw up at
the end of every episode and you know watch
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an episode of like the care bears or something like that before i went to bed and
then you know it'd be all right now it's not so bad now
i only now i just throw up i can do without the care bears but
so i started reading your notes workouts right because
you're like hey get prepared you know we're professionals don't
be an asshole and i'm like cool i read cut her
nipples off and i closed my computer i'm like i'm good i think
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i got it literally i did i got to
that part and he cut her nipples off i'm like i need a
natural reaction to that right now because i can't just be like
oh well that's interesting now that was horrifying
i can't imagine that that's oh my god dude so
this is what he claims happened is he
you know he caught her sleeping
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with one of his friends at a hotel and
he beat the shit out of the guy and then cut
her nipples off and then just just vanished
said i'm not even fucking with her no more i you
know now listen going forward i will just put this
out there a lot of people debate some of the stories he's
saying they're like ah they seem made up i i'm just gonna
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go ahead and say i don't agree with that
i don't think he's lying about any of these i just don't i.
Don't see a reason and there's a lot of yeah there's a
lot of that are absolutely true that sound like they would never be true so
like why the fuck you know like we're gonna get into some murders where he does
some stuff that you're like that is out of this fucking world but those are
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backed up and proven and so when you're doing some crazy shit like that why
lie about cutting nipples off? It doesn't make any sense.
So we're going to take him in his word for all these.
And also, who the fuck,
is brave slash dumb enough
to hook up with his wife yeah
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you must be out of your motherfucking mind
you're like i'll if man i i'm
gonna go ahead and say dudes do some crazy
stuff to get it you know i mean i
think there's probably been crazy i mean the trojan war
right that was you know the attack on troy right
like yeah yeah that was all over
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some smush you know yeah but he had a whole
army like this guy this guy was just some fucking
chump dick and like he you
know i mean maybe he didn't know you know maybe he didn't know richard
was like a fucking murderer but man you
still knew how big he was so i mean good luck yeah maybe
it's just like the magical vagina though this is
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a a golden badge i don't know dude lynn is just that good
that good yeah she just kind of she she
let him in on what's what's gonna happen yeah obviously richard i'm sure he's
a pretty mechanical diabolical lover you know let's put it that way there's
not a lot of passion going on there so no no you probably she probably lured
him and he secured him well now she ain't got.
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No nipples victim victim shaming
this is unbelievable oh just talking about the kevin hart
thing it's funny all right so so he
met barbara at the vending machine and he kind
of you know took a liking to her was i think flirting with her a little bit
well after this you know his boss at this company was kind of taking his own
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liking to barbara and he kind of told rick to To fuck off. Leave her alone.
Now. Right.
The reason the boss had taken a liking to her. Is because I guess.
She looked like his daughter.
Is that supposed to be a good thing? Right. So when I first read that,
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I was like, wow, dude, you're fucking gross.
I think it was more of a protective liking. I'm looking out for her.
She's kind of under my wing or whatever. I don't know. He could just be a pervert. Okay.
But Richard is sitting in his office, and this guy looks at him and says,
hey, leave her the fuck alone. And Richard's like, fuck you.
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Shove this job up your ass, and he storms out.
Okay. Now Richard went home and said, okay, I'm going to go back in a couple
of hours when, you know, it's closing time and I'm going to kill this.
I'm going to kill this guy.
Because again, he was a kind of a psycho. Like that was a good enough reason
for him to murder somebody. Yeah.
So he goes back up planning on killing his boss.
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And I guess he stopped for a soda again. And there's fucking Barbara at the vending machine.
And so he tells her, Hey, you You know, I got fired because I was trying to flirt with you.
And so I guess, you know, she kind of felt bad and was like,
oh, okay, well, you know, let's go get coffee or something like that.
Like kind of like a pity date.
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And now Richard wasn't even, so I got to put this out here. Richard wasn't even
into her, like really wasn't attracted to her like that.
But he wanted to now just to piss this guy off. Like he changed his revenge up.
So they went out and got coffee. And then after that, they planned like a date
where they went and seen like the new Casper cartoon movie.
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I guess they were both kind of into cartoons, which I don't know.
I guess that's normal back then. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.
I mean, I talk shit. I just, I don't watch family guy and it's still a cartoon, but.
But I don't know if I said this in the first one, but he would he would watch
cartoons sometimes for ideas on how to kill people. Oh, wow.
Did I tell you that? No, I didn't. No, I didn't understand. So he would watch
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like he would drop ideas on people or shit.
That's all like like Looney Tunes and shit. Right.
There was one where and he actually as I tell you this, he actually tried this.
So one of the cartoons where, you know, I think it's like Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny or some shit.
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And like, you know, Bugs looks through the peephole or something like that,
and Elmer Fudd like shoots him through the door.
He did that. So he was like, oh, I'm going to try that.
And went, did the peephole test, and he could tell when the peephole got dark
from his side, somebody was there, and he shot him. Wow.
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He's like, oh, that works. Okay. This is like, the world is just this guy's playground.
Yeah, apparently. Now, Barbara would later say that this was the biggest mistake
she ever made in her life was going out with him for a day. Oh, shit. Duh.
Well, Barbara, now, she would be kind of like described as one of those like
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your typical kind of like mob wives, you know, kind of look real innocent, naive.
It just kind of went about her business. And whatever Richard said he was doing,
that's what she believed, right? Yeah, sure, sure. I don't want to know, whatever.
Well, Barbara's family didn't really feel the same way. A lot of them did not like Richard.
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Now, a big part of that was because he was not Italian. They didn't like that.
Yeah, he was a dumb Polack. He was a dumb Polack, right? Not my words.
Yeah, theirs. Probably theirs, 100%, right? Because they were super,
what is it, discriminatory, whatever you want to call it. Like,
you're not fucking Italian. We don't like you.
But her aunt actually took it a little bit farther because she was like,
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yeah, it's not just that. Like, something about him is fucking off, right?
And so she hired a private eye to
like follow him around the private i
came back and he was like yeah he's definitely into some fucked up
shit like he's in hard with you know criminal activity all this you know yada
yada yada that should have made her happy though like oh what oh he's with the
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mafia oh oh he's good honey he's good for you that's perfect just we get it
yeah yeah they're They're Italian. They're Italian. So it's good. It's good.
Close enough. Yeah. Cool. Cannolis. Yeah. Whatever.
Crimes and cannolis. Crimes and cannolis. It's a good book.
But she tried to warn Barbara. Barbara didn't give a fuck. She was like,
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ah, whatever. I don't care.
I'm just, I know the timeframe probably isn't right for this,
but I'm just picking like big hair, long nails and like big jewelry and just
like chewing gum and, you know, like shiny outfits and puffy pants and stuff.
You think of like them girls from Greece. The...
You don't talk about the movies or from the country. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't.
Yeah. Yeah. The whole country is like that long nails.
Am I missing something yet? I had never been like the movie, the lady. Yeah, sure.
The birds of shit. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. That probably sounds about right.
Or yeah. Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
Good movie. I haven't seen it like 20 years, but yeah, yeah,
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exactly. No, you're, you're, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
That's exactly what, what we're talking about.
Because yeah we're talking about like 60s about right here yeah yep yeah because
they got married in 1961 so it's about that time frame okay but right before
they got married she tried to say you know she was she was dating but she was
like listen i don't want anything serious yet,
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you know i'm not ready to like commit to this maybe we should see other people,
and she said this while they were in the car driving back to her house i guess
they just just watched another fucking casper movie and this motherfucker pulls out a hunting knife,
puts the tip in her back and he's like no you're not seeing anybody else if you leave,
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i will kill your entire family and like it's pressing like i try to really think
about this for a minute because i know we talk about a lot of murders and shit
like that and but like that has got to be terrifying you know like because i
think he actually like i mean he didn't like
stab her, but he put the tip in her like she was bleeding.
And he just said, and he said with a straight face, like, I'll kill your entire
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family. So you're not going anywhere.
And then she said, okay. And he put the knife back and drove her home, gave her a kiss goodbye.
Like, what the fuck?
Yeah. All right. Like, are you, obviously you're a different person.
Your situation is vastly different. But if you try to put yourself in her shoes,
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are you just, what are you doing at that point? Are you moving?
Right. Right. That's what I'm thinking too, because I mean, you're probably terrified.
So you could move maybe, and we'll get to that. She actually does at one point,
but, but, but I mean, like you said, what do you do?
I mean, it's not, it's not like present day where, I mean, still,
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there's not many more choices, but you know, you're kind of stuck in your situation
and you know, the guys that like, you already had the private investigator say he's bad news.
He's with the mob. mob now you're terrified especially back then like fucking
the mob runs everything so yeah yeah i mean i don't want my whole family to
die there's no saying that you can get away,
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no matter where you i mean the guy flies across the country to see liberace play in vegas.
But i think it would be easier to hide a
little bit at that time you know no internet
you know credit cards to trace that
sort of stuff so yeah i mean maybe
just not the means to do it but geez yeah i i
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don't know i don't know you go home after that date i think
i'm i think i'm finding all the money that i can
possibly put together i'm getting in a car and i'm fucking leaving fair
that's fair but check this out because then what about your
family because that was the oh no they're leaving too they're leaving too we're
all you're all leaving guys wake the fuck up pack your bags get your fucking
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cannolis you're not italian anymore you're greek you're the The Constantinopolis
is from fucking Athens and you're going to go live in fucking Houston, Texas.
That's, that's a good name. You're the only Greek people in Houston,
but it doesn't fucking matter. Yeah.
Because i'm not dead and neither are you you're
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welcome you're fucking eating salads and shit
like no more spaghetti sorry fucking we're eating
healthy how about that though dude like you were eating all the shit if you're
a barber at this point like you come back and you tell auntie like hey by the
way if i break up with him he's gonna kill you and me and like holy shit dude
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that's That's rough. That's yeah. That's rough.
Yeah. I mean, you're, you're eating some fucking humble pie. That's for sure.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You're not doing shit. I don't, I don't know.
I mean, that's a hard one.
And like I said, she did try to run. So she, so she didn't run at first, right?
She ended up, she kind of took his warning and she got pregnant.
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And when she got pregnant, I guess she was like, fuck, I can't,
I can't do this. You know, I can't be with this guy.
So she ran to Florida. and now here's the fucked up part her mom being so afraid
of her daughter being a single mother.
Told richard where she was oh my word knowing
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full well that this guy was a piece of shit and had
already been abusive to her but was like you know what the stigma
of having like a single mother i can't do it so hey
richard there's where she had to pick her up yeah god what
an idiot it yeah and i think at
that point barbara just gave in she's like okay cool so fuck
it least favorite person so far in the
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podcast the mom his mom yeah oh yeah mom sucks this guy's shooting people fucking
daffy duck style through fucking doors and i prefer him to her so yeah yeah
yeah absolutely because at least he like ratted his own kid out but yeah she
sucks dude and when they did this.
I mean, she gave in, they had, they ended up having three kids, two girls and a boy.
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One of them, I just want to mention her name was Merrick. It was the oldest of the three.
There's a lot of things out there to say, like she was his favorite and really
the only one of the kids that he would ever really like open up to.
And it just, you know, there, there was like one time where,
you know, she was like really sick and in the hospital and he would like go
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visit her and like tell her stories and rubber hair, like trying to make her feel better.
So it was odd because it was the only one of the children he actually had this
kind of emotional connection to.
And you don't really know why ever.
But the one, I guess if we had to give him a gold star here because he was still
very violent, like he would,
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abuse these shit out of barbara he was he was physically
violent he would flip a switch he'd be good one day bad one day whatever but
he never beat his kids so you know he's like thinking in his head i'm better
than my fucking dad right because his dad beat everybody his dad beat fucking
everybody in the house yeah so you know you the whole point is to improve from your
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fucking parents right so he did one thing better yeah now
he had a this is
this is so fucked up he had a trick that he
would use to not beat his kids right yeah
yeah i'm i'm taking notes right
now okay that's what i was hoping you would do right i was like maybe brad
can use this like i'm gonna beat the dog right after this
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show but yeah hopefully you can figure something out
with this but um kids it's gonna be a good night daddy's
coming in happy maybe i
don't know so when he got when he got
worked up and felt like beating his kids he would punch himself in the face
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until he passed out and then when he woke up he would get up and walk out the
house kids just kidding i ain't doing that shit it's weird i'm not fighting myself to not fight you.
Oh my god they're soft they're soft dude i gotta begin i mean you walk you listen
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you get an argument with your dad he's this big fucking six six dude and he's
like yelling and all of a sudden
just starts beating the shit out of himself and passes out you're like the fuck
he goes straight ed norton and fight club and you're like all right that's what i thought yeah.
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Step over him as he's passed out like i'm gonna go get some baseball cards oh
my god you're like we're already at the end of the movie like what the fuck,
that's fucking wild dude i feel like i
feel like kuklinski would beat this shit out of
brad pitt in that movie i would i would put all my money on him
yeah yeah just just size alone
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he would just pick him up oh yeah yeah yeah
they're not in the same weight class whatsoever no well it was a good that
was a great movie though it was a great movie now we
have another great movie that we can reference when we're doing
a weird accent so if you haven't caught bought us on patreon yet do a absolute
shit show of taking famous lines from famous movies and doing them in borderly
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to definitely offensive accent oh very offensive especially yours was horrible
i don't know why you would do that.
Fight club quotes i love it uh couldn't
name any on top of my head but we'll get there yeah god uh
so moving on now oh great fucking cut
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in okay so i do remember one of
the things in fight club was he would take the the film reels yes and splice
porn yeah just big old dicks again here we go every five minutes big hairy cocks
yeah i think we were due i was wondering i thought i felt weird yeah like the
timer going off i'm like check talking about beating my kids I got that one down.
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I know I pepper that in every two, three minutes or so, but.
That's okay. I mean, you're kids, right?
It's like, oh, he's your dog, you know? Well, he got a job. So he got a job at a film lab.
And of course, instead of just like doing his job, he started making copies
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of these movies. And he would make these copies and sell them to the movie theaters.
So, and he was making a fuck ton of money doing this because you'd have a movie
theater and instead of, you know, buying the movie from Disney for however fucking
much he would just sell it to him for, you know, half of that and still make
thousands of dollars. Right. That's smart.
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The guy was a workhorse. I'll give him that.
Yo, he fucking worked. I can definitely appreciate that much.
And so this kind of put him right back into crime he's like fucking i i'm not staying away from this,
and he hired a crew and they ended up stealing like they were just going around
like jacking trucks and shit like that and they stole a truck of like casio
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watches you ever had one of those casio uh i don't know if i had one but i i
know them yeah yeah and i imagine back then they're They're still,
they're, you know, way like higher as, as far as like high end,
but yeah. So, I mean, stole a whole fucking truckload.
He had a buyer set up. This guy, his name was Phil Soleimani.
I'm going to say all these names wrong. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you.
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I don't know if I say any of them right, but it's like, I just want to say like
Phil Calamari the whole time. Like I don't.
Wasn't that in your notes? Was Calamari? Oh, it's with a C though, right? Is it with a C?
It's with an S. It's with an S. I thought in your notes, I thought I saw with
a C, but that's. There is a C, but this is Phil Salami. Salamini.
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You haven't said it right. No, you haven't said it the same way once.
It's been three times and it hasn't been. it's salamity it's frank salmonella
i don't know i just want to call him salami now call it that i don't know but uh i could tell him phil.
Phil was into so phil was into the porn industry right okay yeah that's fine
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in the 60s because you actually had to like go get porn i mean now you can pull
up your phone and watch whatever you
want but phil was into you know
selling the weird shit too like bestiality group
stuff blood play whatever the fuck that is when
does it get to the when do you get to the weird stuff yeah i was
trying to get there i know your limits very high i was yeah yeah
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yeah my threshold for weird shit is i was
like well go uh he'll tap in some
point exactly you're just waiting for
the gasp right like i'm like you're like
oh okay blood play you're like oh yeah yeah it's a typical tuesday for me guy
honey it's blood play tuesday pull out a fucking shank i don't i see i don't
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even know i don't even know that's what blood play is i'm like you stab each
other like that That sounds weird,
but acting like I don't know.
So Richard's like, all right. He's like, he can make more money getting into
this business, like bootlegging this shit.
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And so he gets into that and he actually ends up getting a crew together,
like a film crew and everything.
And he starts doing his own. Like he goes on a consignment making his own stuff, right?
Like he has directors. there's a fit like the dude i'm telling you he just
set up shop started working dude this guy's like your hero
yeah yeah yeah to an extent yeah yeah
yeah yeah well i'm glad you put that in there i wasn't i was just gonna let
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it ride but if you that's fine no i mean yeah he is i mean he's a fucking he's
a hustler he's not that he just you know he's got to tweak himself a little
bit but yeah yeah he's a hustler now this would introduce him to roy de mayo,
Now, I know we talked about some of these movies last time. We talked about
Goodfellas, which a lot of this shit, now we're getting into it.
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And you said you have seen that, correct?
No. No, I haven't. Fuck, dude. The worst. Watch that. I know.
It's on my list. It's on the watch list. There is a character in Goodfellas
that this guy, I swear to God, they can say whatever the fuck they want.
Oh, it's after so-and-so. No, it's got to be after him. But it's like Joe Pesci's
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character in Goodfellas. Okay. So I know Joe Pesci. Yeah.
I know that character. I've seen scenes like the, am I funny?
What kind of funny? Yeah, exactly.
Like a clown funny, like funny aha. Yeah.
And so this guy was, he was pretty close to being like a made man.
And the film company that owned the cameras that basically Richard was using
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for consignment, they had gotten a debt with DeMeo.
And DeMeo came in to this company and instead of like killing everybody,
he just said, okay, it's my company now right i own it and then
so richard's doing this consignment shit he
wasn't really flipping the stuff as fast as he you know
wanted to so the money wasn't coming in but you
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know he still owed fucking de mayo half you know
there's a good scene about that in there he's like oh i can't come with the money fuck you
pay me right so de mayo
says hey you know you need to come see me now like
we need to talk about this you owe me some money so richard goes
in to see him and now he knew kind of
who he was and they kind of knew who each other was but like not
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enough right they didn't know because you're gonna find out
de mayo is a fucking psycho like he makes richard look
soft um richard had like some coat like he wouldn't fucking you know kill kids
you know he tried to stay away from like families dude de mayo would kill everybody
he didn't give a shit he was like very unstable and and we'll get into him more
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but and so richard had no idea so he goes was going to see this guy,
And DeMayo is this like short, fat, you know, fucking whatever.
Yeah, pretty meatball too, right?
And he tells Richie, he's like, hey, I want my fucking money like now.
So Rich is looking at him. He goes, yeah, don't fucking talk to me like that.
You know, you'll get your fucking money when I give it to you and goes to walk out.
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So he goes up to the elevator, clink, you know, hits the button, about to leave.
When all of a sudden de mayo comes up with like two other guys and they beat
the fucking piss out of them like pistol whip them beat them in the fucking
face with like the butt of a shotgun,
and like almost kill them and they say okay you don't know who you're fucking
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with give us the fucking money you got like a couple days okay so this is what
happens when an immovable object hits an unstoppable force this is what you
go right now dude this is what i'm picturing two.
Psychopaths and dude i'm gonna tell you again my boy richard dude i'm pulling for him you 12,
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that's good i'm pulling for him right now here he is again this is this dude
and i think it's just because this resembles so much a movie you know like like
the same way you pull for and And forgive me again, because I'm not a big Sopranos fan. I know it.
I picture him as, what's the main guy?
Is it Gambino? Is it Gambino? Tony? Tony, what's his last name?
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Oh, Soprano. Fuck me. No.
I don't fucking know. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's the stupidest thing.
I don't ask you to edit much out, but you gotta fucking ask.
Oh, whoa. Dude, but you're, yeah.
What's the guy what's the main guy in sopranos what's his fucking name no there
(40:43):
is a giambini somewhere what what fucking movie is that i think you're thinking
of uh i think you're thinking of his actual name because his name is actually gandolfini,
gandolfini yeah yeah yeah no honestly about that and i did yes and i was thinking
him because he's also in that movie have you seen that movie the mexican with
um brad pitt and julie roberts he's a hit man in that movie.
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And I just, I'm picturing him. I did catch a glimpse of what Richard actually looks like.
And I feel like they actually kind of look like if you give a bit of a,
like a goatee, I feel like they might, they might match up.
But I feel like in the same way that you're like rooting for Tony Soprano,
who I'm sure is a piece of shit in the show. Cause I've never actually seen the whole thing.
Like I kind of feel the same way. And maybe that's why, you know,
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this dude is a cold blooded, real human that did horrible, horrible shit.
And I would never want to meet him. And I do not, justify anything that he did
whatsoever, but I keep finding myself in this place where I'm like,
why do I, in every other one of these things, it's just like find the fucking
guy before we kill somebody else.
You know, that's what I'm thinking all the time, like whoever he's raping,
killing, whatever, stop this person because I don't want to hear another murder,
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but for this guy, I'm like...
Go ice fucking meatball too like what
do you do and it goes back to this this whole thing right where i say hey
man buckle up but now this is a grown man
killing other grown men so like we kind of have this like
thing where we're like you know yeah it sucks but you're a
grown-ass man like it's fine you know like it's it's
not but you know if if he was going around murdering
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10 year olds like i don't even think we wouldn't really
be able to get through the story without out being like dude i hope this guy dies of
like nut cancer like right now sure there'll be no pulling
for him at all right and i'm not sure with anything he
does but in the in the the contrast
of all the horrible shit we talk about he's one of the ones that you can kind
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of be like well it's a story let's fucking just see what happens right yeah
exactly yeah now so he gets his ass beat and he decided he's like okay i've
got to kill this guy i've got to kill the male but that's It's like his fucking catchphrase.
He is almost a made man.
In fact, I need to try to make amends and get more work. Because again,
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he was doing jobs for the mob.
And so if he got off bad with one of an almost made man, those jobs are probably going to dry up.
So a little bit about DeMayo. Now his crew, remember I told you they killed fucking everybody.
They were actually called like the murder machine. They had like a nickname.
Name damn and they would hang out this place called
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the gemini lounge and their favorite method
to kill somebody they they like had this whole fucking
name for it this whole method called the gemini method which
is fucking crazy so what they would do is
somebody would walk in he would come out silencer to the head right wrap a towel
around the other side immediately right to kind of like stop the bleeding and
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as soon as he shot the guy and put the towel on him Another guy would come out
and stab him in the heart to stop the blood flow.
Then they would strip him down, take him to the bathroom and hang him upside
down to kind of let him like, you know, soak out. Yeah.
And then once he did that, they would take him out to the living room,
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put him over plastic and fucking dismember him. That was the Gemini method.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!