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I'm Paul LaRouche, and the stories you are about to see are an attempt to share
this true American story of a hidden heritage.
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We'll be right back.
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Thank you for watching!
Native humor has been a survival component for the Native American culture for some time.
Whether it's been to tell a story, make a point, or to teach a life lesson.
It has been said that perhaps it's part of what's called cultural trauma,
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and humor has been a way to cope with that for some time. It still lingers on to this day.
In any event, Native American humor is alive and well if you choose to take a listen.
This week on Hidden Heritage, we're going to meet up with the foremost Native
American comedy team in the culture. They go by their well-recognized names
of Williams and Rhee, but they're better known as the Indian and the White Guy.
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Hello, my name is Terry Rhee. I am the Indian part of the Indian and the White
Guy, sometimes known as Williams and Rhee.
We've always considered our show to be like a vaudeville act because there's
nobody really doing what we do.
You know, we've patterned ourselves after the Smothers Brothers,
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but they don't do much anymore.
But we went further than the Smothers Brothers. I mean, they did the,
you know, your mom loves you best and that stuff.
But we've always done the Indian and the white man thing and made light of it
because the Indian humor is so good, you know.
I mean, we've had to laugh at ourselves many times.
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It's either laugh or cry, and we prefer to laugh. So that's what we do,
and that's kind of where we've been, where we started.
I would just start talking, and then my partner would just comment on it,
and that's how we—so it was kind of a vaudeville thing.
When we started, we would watch the Smothers Brothers show one night,
and then there was a team called Rowan and Martin, and it was Dan Rowan and
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Dick Martin, and they were like we are.
You know, I mean, one would try to be serious, and the other would just be in
la-la land, And that's how we developed what we do.
We're more Smothers Brothers because we'll sing now and then,
and we like to sing, and we've always been trying to sing.
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Neither one of us can sing very well, but together we sound okay.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and members of the Senate Hearing Committee.
We are Williams and Reed and the white guy.
And this is our 50th year, our 50th anniversary tour, and 50 years of being
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with the same Indian, I think I deserve some government money. I think so.
And before we go any farther, I'm going to tell all of you, we are not politically
correct. That's right. We are not PC.
Politically correct. You came in to see a PC group. You better back up your
nuts, squirrel brains, and take a hike. That's right.
This ain't it. Because we will tell you exactly what's on my mind. Yes. Yes.
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Exactly. Right. And an Indian should be able to speak out. Your land was stolen
from you. You were shoved onto little reservations.
And now you have casinos that are bleeding us dry. Yes.
That's the only return that we've ever gotten from you white people.
And we are aground about it.
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Music.
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And if we shaved the sides of your head just right, you'd look like that Kim Jong-un. You know, I...
Am I right? I just... We could play the North Korean national anthem and you
could take a knee. There you go.
I just want to say, when North Korea attacks South Korea, I don't think the
military should go in there and do anything.
I think they should take a knee and send in the NFL, by God.
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Music.
We'll see. That's right.
Well, we started in college.
We were in the same dorm at Black Hill State College in Spearfish in Pangborn
Hall, which they've torn down now.
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But when we found out we both played and liked the same thing,
we would take our guitars out in the evening, go over and sit on the lawn in
front of the girls' dorms.
They were not co-ed then. and you had your men's dorm and girls' dorms,
and so we'd go over and sit on the lawn at the girls' dorm and start playing,
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and that was how we started.
We were accepted all along because it's Indian humor.
We laugh at ourselves, and we just laugh and have a good time,
and when you make people laugh, it's a good time.
But we never had any problem.
Now, 68 and on, early 70s, you know, they started the AIM movement,
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And the AIM movement, you know, was to take care of the natives in St.
Paul and Minneapolis who were getting beat up by the cops. And so they started
following them around, and all of a sudden that stopped.
So, you know, it was kind of just a...
It's like Black Lives Matter today, you know. They're trying to stop that.
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But I think we had more success.
But anyway, so that time, the early 70s, when we went on the road,
So we'd work Ramadans, Halidans, Sheratons, all that, just where you'd perform.
You'd have to do two sets of dance music and two sets of show, you know.
So occasionally we would get a protest or two out of that, but I can count on
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one hand the amount of people that did it.
It's really true, you know, I mean, no matter where we go, we go reservations
all over the country and do shows, and the Indians laugh and the white people
laugh, and we work casinos all over the country and white people laugh.
And if there are any Indians here, they'll chuckle too.
Yeah, my name is Bruce Williams. I'm 66 years old.
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I was born in Nampa, Idaho, raised in Mountain Home, Idaho.
Attended college at Black Hills State College in 1968 through 71.
And that is where I met my current wife.
When you say partner these days, you have to be very careful,
but he is my business partner.
And Terry Rhee is his name, and he is the Indian half of the Indian white guy
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comedy team that we've had for almost 50 years now.
We started out imitating the Smothers Brothers, and so we would go out on stage
and we would be the Smothers Brothers. others.
We would emulate their timing and sometimes their jokes.
But later on, we were able to apply that timing to our own jokes as we developed.
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But in the beginning, Rowan and Martin, that comedy team, some nights we would
be Rowan and Martin when we came out.
And we would try to do the one guy being the straight man and one guy being the comic.
And we found that that didn't didn't always
work for us because we both wanted to be out there
so we we take turns being straight men and over
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over the last 48 years the
most important thing that I've learned from from
working with my partner is the Native American
culture I've been immersed into the
Native American culture and it's changed my life and
I just wish that everybody everybody in
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the world would have to spend a couple of
years with a Native American family just to learn the structure of that society
because it's it's one of them the most solid family-based and spiritual groups of people out there.
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So I think, yeah, you should just have to spend a couple of years with an Indian family.
Music.
The Indians trying to stop that is trying to do good for all the people, not just the Indians.
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But the fact that there's burial grounds there and the white people don't care, you know.
You know, every damn Kmart is pretty much an Indian burial ground and nobody said anything.
The thing I like about the pipeline thing is we finally learned how to protest, you know.
And what I don't like about it is the news media is not really covering it.
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You know, that Clinton News Network and all about Clinton.
Well, they don't care. They don't care. You know, a blurb here,
you know, two seconds here and it's gone.
And they're not given the real story, you know. I mean, sure,
you know, I mean, let's run that damn pipeline through the military cemeteries in Sturgis.
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See how that goes, you know. I mean, I don't know, I guess it's,
you know, I mean, we live here and they see us all the time,
and so that's no big deal, but.
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William Lee Golden. Yes. Of the Oak Ridge Boys. Yes. Was our spiritual leader.
His spirit animal was the Palomino horse.
Yes, it was. And what is your spirit animal? My spirit animal is the gray goose.
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Just USO stuff. Well, we do Canada all the time, but that's really the 51st
state, you know. But yeah, we did some USO tours in Egypt and Turkey and Italy
and Spain and things like that.
But they were just bases, so it was basically our home base anyway.
Music.
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I would just say that I learned
early on from the native people that music and humor are the most important
aspects of entertainment and you can't just develop a sense of humor overnight.
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That takes a long time to develop.
As far as the musicianship, I would
say immerse yourself in the musicality of all instruments and your voice and
theatrics and immerse yourself in all of that because that's all part of the
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microcosm of entertainment.
I'm not sure how I could motivate a young person to think the way that I do, but,
But I know that it just takes time, and if you're willing to put in the effort,
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it will pay off in the end, because the healing power of music and humor will
last you the rest of your life, and it will make you live longer.
They call themselves the Oak Ridge Boys. Williams and Ree would not exist today,
and we just want to bring enlightenment about what they've done for our career
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and get their reminiscences on some of the days that we traveled for years.
They put us on the show to open the show for them.
They were very cordial, and we want to get some of their reminiscences about those days of touring.
So we'll start with, of course, the tenor singer, Mr. Joe Bonzel.
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Well, I've got a mic here, Brother Bruce, and it's good to be here with you
today. It's good to be with you as well. What year was Wilmer, Minnesota?
Wilmer, Minnesota was 1983.
Okay, well, that's the first night we saw Williams and Reeve perform.
Is that not correct? Yeah. March 25th.
See, Terry knows. March 25th, 1983 on our American Made Tour.
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You guys opened up the show for us in Wilmer, Minnesota, and we all stood off
stage and laughed our cans off and thought, these guys are good.
They're really funny. And I think it was Dwayne Allen who said to one of you
guys that night, and this is Dwayne right here, you guys need to move to Nashville,
and you need to move here now.
I did encourage them to move to Nashville and get on Ralph Emery's show,
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and they wound up getting their own television show with Florence Henderson.
And they were a major hit on TNN network television. and their own popularity grew because of them.
They are just talented, they're funny, and they've been friends of ours for
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over three decades now, almost four decades.
And when we work with them, all the Oak Ridge boys are backstage.
We become their audience.
When they come to see us like a place like this out in the
middle of nowhere in Arizona we wind up
with Terry and Bruce and we have
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to have them tell us some jokes and and
they lay some on us they're our friends and we're friends when we're home too
I've been over to Terry's house we have a guitar pull over there and everybody's
saying some songs and we eat together and we're really friends on and off the road.
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Music.
So it was March 25th, 24th, 25th, I can't remember for sure exactly, 1983.
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Willmar, Minnesota. Willmar, Minnesota. The Oak Ridge Boys were the headliners,
and we got thrown on the date because Lacey J.
Dalton had a cancellation.
She got more money somewhere. She got sick. And they threw us on the date,
and that was the beginning of our career.
Well, we live in Tennessee because it's warmer, but there's some odd people down there, too.
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But our base is like the same as yours, up here in the upper Midwest,
and that's where we come to do our thing.
Like the Northeast, we've never worked.
Early in our career, we would open for the Oak Ridge Boys and do 20 minutes,
and it was well and good and accepted, but that's all we did was like 20 minutes.
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And made them laugh and here come the Oak Ridge boys.
So we've worked up there but never developed that following like we do in the
upper Midwest because I've always said these casinos,
the government in its wisdom made a terrible error by allowing Indian casinos
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without considering the population.
You know, the entire Indian population is right here in the Midwest.
And we're the big money-making casinos on the East Coast, Florida, California.
There's, you know, I mean, huge, huge. We've got to be where population is.
You know, I mean, South Dakota, all our casinos, yours and mine,
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you know, there's nobody in the whole state.
700,000 people in the whole state.
The guy that started the Connecticut Fox told me there was a hundred million people.
You know, within a 100-mile radius. So they take all that money.
You know, when I always said they should have started an Indian national bank,
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and all the money should have gone in there and all the money should have been equally distributed.
You know, a lot of people ask us, what is the common question?
What is the Indian white guy? And he grabbed a squirrel and he's got it in his
hand now and we're going to eat it like a pop star.
That's us. We talk at the same time. We are the Indian, the white guy.
He's the Indian, I'm the white guy. and there's no boundaries here.
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I mean, we can talk about whatever we want because he was here first.
That's right. His people were here first. Thank you. And the rest of us are
all interlopers, and so we can all just sit back and just listen to him. Get the hell out.
Yes, or get the hell out. I'm moving to Europe soon.
How many more years, you guys? How many more years do you want? Till we die.
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Till we die. We have to work till we die because we have not saved a dime.
No, Social Security won't cover it. Nope. So we're just going to continue to
work until nobody pays us.
And I just hope he gets some of his land back, then I get half.
And that's working out quite nicely because more and more people are not paying us.
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We figured out you can work forever if you just work for a little less each year. There you go.
If this is one of your shows and we're off on stage, close the show.
Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming out tonight.
It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.
And don't forget, tip the veal and try your waitress. There you go.
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Everywhere. Immediately, one third of the money. That's it. We lost all that money.
We didn't say we was going to pay you.
We told you we'd take you with us. That's right. And I remember Golden was so
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taken aback by our comedy because he's a man of few words.
And I'd just like to get his take on those touring years.
Well, part of it I don't remember.
And what I do, I don't want to talk about. There you go.
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Thank you, William Lee. And if we could just get to close out,
if we could just get one low note from Richard, I think that would be the.
Well, let me just say one thing. OK.
The thing I remember most about the two of you guys is that you both moved into my neighborhood.
We used to have a very nice, calm, peaceful neighborhood.
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Yeah.
Thank you for joining us. I'm Paul Rush, and you've been watching Hidden Heritage.
We ran you out of the neighborhood, so things are looking up.
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