Victor The Good Boss: A Story About Second Chances For the People Who Need Them Most

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We've been taught everything except how to be human.
Welcome to human school, where remarkable people turn raw,
unfiltered experience into practical wisdom.
I'm Miles Adcox, and this podcast was born from the belief
that you don't graduate from being human, you just get more
honest about the lessons. If you're ready to stop

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performing your life and start participating in it, you're in
the right place. This is human school where we
finally learn what matters most.You've probably seen his videos.
A man in a ball cap pulling overto talk with someone on the side
of the road, offering a hot meal, a ride to rehab, or a job
with no strings attached. That man is Victor Oliveira,

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known by millions as the good boss.
He started by showing what leadership could look like at
work, buying coffee, raising wages, honoring his team.
His videos began reaching beyondthe workplace into the streets
where he offered jobs, treatment, housing and hope to
the people who needed it most. At On Site, I get to see

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transformation every single day.People brave enough to face
their story ask for help and find healing in community.
But today's guest doesn't just wait for people to come to him,
he goes and finds them. Please welcome entrepreneur,
mentor and seeker of the overlooked Victor the good Boss.
Thank you. I appreciate.

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It welcome buddy. Thank you my man well we've
gotten connected in kind of a fun way which I'm sure will tell
that story or I'd like to tell that story kind of how we
connect the dots and how I'm sitting in front of you right
now but I was admiring your workeven prior than us getting
introduced. You kind of showed up in my feed
one day speaking a lot of the language that I love, but you

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were doing it in such an unorthodox way that I was like,
who is this guy? What is he doing?
And, and I so I want people to hear now, I know there's a lot
of people that know what you do.There's a lot of people I'd love
to introduce to what you do, butI'd kind of like to get to know
who you are a little bit. Like who's the guy behind all
this generosity and what inspires you to kind of do what
you do of. Course Well, again, thank you

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for having me. I really appreciate it.
So I'm just your average guy. I have a heart.
I've done some stupid things in the past.
I went to prison, dropped out ofhigh school, but I love helping
people. That's like my biggest thing
now. I'm like, today I'm addicted to
it. That's my new high.
So that's what I've been doing, you know, for a while.

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And I, like I said, I've always been a good person.
I got caught with the wrong crowd.
Doing the wrong things led me toprison and being in prison just.
Where'd you? Where'd you grow up?
So I grew up in Massachusetts. OK, Yeah.
Is that where you end up servingsome Tom?
Yep, it was state prison, OK. And honestly, it was great.

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Like some people say, you know, how was it?
I say it's great. And they're like, really why?
Because it it turned my life around, you know, it made me
open my eyes and appreciate thatlife is is a blessing.
And you don't really get many second chances in life.
And so I got my second chance. I was a party animal before I

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went into prison selling drugs. That's what led me into prison
and when. Did you?
At what age? When did you start?
I was probably like 17 when I started, you know, really
getting into stuff. And I went to prison when I was
21. Yeah, I was, yeah.
I was young and I was in there for almost 2 years and it was,

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you know, awful in the beginning, but you know, after
once I figured out my routine, it turned out it was a blessing
so. A lot of people that experience
substitutes or get into challenges legally of any kind,
usually there's a, there's a, a marker you can go back into

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their story, into their developmental years or how they
brought up and see there were some significant things that
happened that might have influenced that.
And then sometimes not. I think people are surprised by
that sometimes because sometimesit's perfectly pretty normal
childhood and then suddenly boom, social pressure, whatever
it may be. But have you done the work or or
taken a look at that for your story, kind of what was going up
like for you? So I would say my parents got

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they got a divorce, they split up.
And I feel like that was the reason why I kind of turned once
my father wasn't around, my mother, I can get away with
whatever. And because if my father was
around, I would get, you know, anice slap in the yeah, so he
wasn't around. And I feel like that's what led

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me just. To what age was that?
Probably like fourteens when they when they got a divorce.
When they got a divorce and he wasn't much in your life after
that or. Not, not a whole lot, OK.
I would see him here and there and then slowly it just kind of
went away. He's an alcoholic.
It's, you know, it's sad. Maybe someday he'll come around
still. Active.

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Yeah, still active, yeah. OK.
So I would say that's maybe the reason why I turned out the way
I did, yeah. And what?
How about mom? Tell me about your mom.
She's a great woman. She's I love her to death.
She she's always there for me. She always supports me.
And yeah, she's never, she's never said no to me.

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So she's like one time she caught I had some weed or some
cigarettes in my cupboard or whatever under, under my TV.
And I just told her that they were for my friends.
I was holding them. And, you know, she didn't, she
believed me. So she's just, she's that type,
Yeah. I've got, I've got a story with
my mom too. I'll share with you in a little
bit. But what did did you feel like

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you ended up selling to so that you could use more
recreationally? Or was it you needed the money?
No, definitely so that I can control my habit in in the
beginning it was for the money, but then as time went, I was
just, I was doing a lot, I was partying like, you know, days on
end. And then I just realized I I

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have to keep selling, you know, to keep my habit going.
Were you in? Did you stay through school,
through high school or did? So this happened after high
school. I dropped out of high school.
I dropped out when I was, I wantto say 16.
I just hated school. It wasn't for me.
And again, I'm grateful for lifebecause I have my own business,

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I have a nonprofit, I help people and I'm so happy so.
And so you when your your parents got divorced, it it was
a pretty significant market, wasstressful on you, especially not
having dad around to offer any more of the boundaries or
discipline you were, were you watching him as a young kid
struggle with alcoholism? Yeah, definitely.

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So you. Saw a lot.
All the way up and and and and then you, you drop out of school
and was it your when you got arrested?
We said 21. Was it your or no, you served.
You served. Time, yeah, I went.
So I was on bail for like 3 years or just over three years.
I got arrested, I think it was. I was probably 18, yeah.

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And then, you know, we fought bail for just over three years
and and then I got caught again on bail.
So once I got caught again, the judge said, all right, lock him
up, throw away the key. Then how much time did he
actually give you versus what you actually served?
Did you serve 2 years? I think?
Yeah, so I got it was I was looking at a five to seven and

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then I got a 2 to 3. So and then I ended up getting
out on parole. I had a bracelet for a few
months and then I just, you know, I showed that I could do
good when I came out. They get, they took the bracelet
off and everything's been going,you know, good from there.
And what about tell me about state prison?
What was that experience like for you?

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State prison in Mass. It really wasn't bad.
I mean, as long as you stick to,you know, the right crowd, don't
hang out with certain people andjust kind of do you like don't
look around for trouble, you know, get something out of it.
You know, I got, I took some classes in there, nothing crazy,

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but I got my OSHA 10 and just some, you know, like addiction
classes. And it just made me realize that
I never want to go back there. It's not a great place.
You know, it's, it's fine as long as you're doing the right
thing, keeping your head up, butit's not a place to go and take
a vacation. If someone wants to move that,

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they can move that. You can honestly shut it off if
you want. Does it ever stop?
No, it never stops. My phone goes and it like right
now I don't want to say I'm I'm a one man band, but that's kind
of how it is. Like I have a few people that
help me, but like I have no teamand it's, it's very
overwhelming. I can imagine.

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And I don't want to stop doing this, you know, I want to even I
want to go further with this. So, and, and I want to get to, I
want to get to what you're actually doing now and how that
happened. But I'm really interested in in
how you kind of got there because I think so much of our
stories inform what we do. I certainly have a story that
informs how I show up in the world today and what I do And

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when did you notice anything? Did you develop, develop any
relationships while you're in jail that you still have now?
And did you notice anything fromthe men that you served time
with? Any trends on kind of the how
and why people wind up in situations like that?
So I think the biggest thing is when someone doesn't have family
support and they have nothing togo back to, you know, no money

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or just simply nothing, I feel like they tend to reoffend
because that's the biggest thing.
Like support is huge. And I'm lucky that I have a good
family. You know, we're just average
family, middle class, and they've just been so supportive
of me. So I think that's huge with
someone going to prison. The biggest trend I've noticed

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and haven't put data to it or done the research I should.
It's just time. But I'm having crisscrossed the
country over the last couple years and going to a whole lot
of jails and and institutions and juvies.
And I was doing a little bit of that work even prior to my work
the last couple years, but I've done just so much more of it.
But I've set in a lot of circleswith guys and a common theme was

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especially with the men was was not having fathers or not having
support at at a crucial time developmental years.
And I'd I'd love to see and I know I'm almost sure there's
been research on that. People have looked at that as as
a theme, but it it just it it really stood out when we would
sit with. I've done most of my work has
been out of San Quentin, but it's upsetting some of those

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circles, some of those guys. I mean, I'm talking you could
take a room of 200 people and itwould be 100% had a challenging
relationship or no relationship with, with a, a father.
That's right. And it's just, it's incredibly
interesting, but also points to how crucial what you just said,
which is family support, secure attachment and developmental
years is everything. And often I think people that

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serve time go to jail, go to prison, go to juvie, get any
kind of disciplinary action likethat.
People tend to hyper focus on the stigma around criminal
prison or committed a crime. And they have no, they usually
don't think about well, maybe they're just a human that didn't
have some of the things I. Had.
That's right and. Ended up making some mistakes.

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And I'm so glad to hear you got opportunities while you were
there because it San Quentin's one of the more progressive
places in the country with bringing outside programming
into facilities like that. And there are some that do it
and some that don't do it at all.
And even the ones that do, oftenpeople don't often take
advantage of it because the way it's positioned and how they

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either make it a priority or don't make it a priority.
But the fact that you took some classes and did a little
education, got some security certifications, what did that do
for your esteem while you're there?
Because I would imagine you're sitting there thinking, OK, I
couldn't screwed up with much, much more with that.
You know, this is not where I thought I'd find myself as a
young adult sitting here. And then all of a sudden you
start to, I guess, find life again and purpose again by

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seeing what could be possible. Yeah, I guess seeing a lot of
people in there, you know, hearing their stories, they this
is their second time in, third time in, you know, it just gets
me thinking like, I'm not going to do that.
Like why would I want to come back here?
Like life's a blessing outside. So a lot of that had to play in
it as well. Again, my my family being so

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supportive and I just had this mindset where like I was already
ready to start my business back up because I had a landscaping
business before I went in. Oh, you did OK.
I did. I started it on bail just so I
can show good and then I just. That was the landscaping.
Do you start working in landscaping while you were still
selling? While you're still selling
drugs? Or did you do both at the same
time or did? It was the same time, yeah.

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Creative entrepreneur. I like it.
So then I ended up getting locked up and lost the business.
And then when I was in there, I'm just thinking, I'm like, all
right, I'm going to start a Better Business thinking of the
new name for it. And so that was my my big
mission when I was in there, just thinking how I can better
myself. Like what am I going to do to
make money the right way? Because you can't make it the

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wrong way and you can't sell drugs your whole life.
I mean, everyone gets caught eventually.
So you were already making plansto kind of research your
business, what you got out and then what'd that look like?
So you so you get transitioned, you finished up, did you finish
up early or? Yeah, I got out I think 3 months
early. OK.
Yeah, I I got parole 'cause it was two to three sentence.

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Got parole and I got some good time.
So I got out in like 20 months. And what was that process like
transitioning back out into the world?
What was that like for you? I mean, it was definitely, I
don't know if I should say different, but it was nerve
racking. You know, it was everything was
just, I wasn't used to it. Like when I the first thing when

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I got home, my family had a party for me and I was like
nervous when I walked in the door.
I didn't know what to do. So definitely the nerves kicked
in and then just that freedom, like, you know, being out was
amazing, really was. Did you know they were having a
party or was it a surprise? No, it was a surprise.
Wow, so you literally walked into it?
Yeah. And they were all just in there,

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Yeah. And what would I mean?
I'm sure it felt overwhelming a little bit, but did I'm?
Definitely, yeah. What else?
What was it like? I don't know, I just, I felt
free. I mean, obviously because I was
out of prison, but it's just like my head was spinning, like,
all right, I'm going to do this now.
What can I do first? Like how am I going to start all
of this? I ended up getting paroled to my

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grandparents house. OK, yeah.
So I just I was thinking of, youknow, what's the best thing to
do? How do I start this?
I still have my truck. That was a good.
Thing So I think I went out to my truck that first morning and
I was just so happy. I'm just trying to, I'm trying
to piece it together because I'mthinking about and then we're

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going, we're going to Fast forward and get to the cool
stuff you're doing now. But I think of a guy that has
the presence because in our, in our space, and I've been trained
by a lot of great people in the clinical space, in the therapy
spaces and the recovery spaces. I've gotten to sit under some of
the people I really look up to. And they would all tell you,
having been in it for a long time, that the tools are wildly

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important. You know, everything we can, you
can teach and some of you get byexperience, but really it's just
the presents you offer people that is safe and graceful and
empathetic. And you do that about as good as
anybody I've ever seen. So you're you're seeing people
at their worst and in some ways you see enough good through all
the baggage in the years of trauma that they might be

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carrying and through the glassy addicted eyes and you somehow
can see, hey, there were celebrating.
That's right. And there's a potential life
here. And I just, I'm thinking back to
not everybody gets a welcome home surprise party from jail.
I know. That's pretty cool.
I mean, hats off to your to yourfamily for putting putting that
together. And I would imagine things like

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that probably informed how you want to show up for people
downstream of. Course.
So tell me about your SO Did youget the business started right
away? Yeah, right away started calling
some old customers. What'd you end up calling it?
So the first one was a plus landscapes and then when I got I
was VCO landscaping. OK, so that's what it is today,

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VCO. Still got your landscape
business rolling? Yeah, so I, I actually just sold
like the landscaping side of it.So I can.
Do this more full time but I do a lot of like masonry
hardscaping. Oh, you do?
Yeah. OK, Work.
How'd you how'd you pick up thattrade?
So one of my good friends, his father was a Mason and his
father taught him and then he taught me.
And then he ended up taking his own life over a girlfriend.

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And then I got closer with his father and, you know, he kind of
just taught me the ropes and I just been doing it ever since.
And so you've, you've in, in my understanding is you heard, you
guys heard me say it when I was introducing you in the
beginning. Is that some of the way you like
to show up for the people that you serve started with the

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people that you employed? Yeah.
Tell me about that. What inspires your leadership or
how do you look at leadership? So.
Without my employees, I wouldn'tbe where I'm at.
You know, plain and simple. Obviously, I started the
business. I worked myself in the
beginning, but then I hired a guy, and then I hired another
guy, and then it just kept growing from there.

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And if you take care of your employees, they're going to take
care of you no matter what. If not, you know, maybe they'll
take advantage of you. Then they'll just have to go.
You'll have to fire them or they'll quit on their own
because enough's enough. And I've had it happen to me
where they take full advantage of me and I just either let them
go or fire them. For the most part, they kind of

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know what they're doing, so theyjust like we kind of walk away.
But yeah, taking care of your employees is absolutely, it's
huge. It really is.
Do you, did you hire, start hiring?
I mean, I know now you do a lot of placement with guys, but did
you start hiring people that were coming out of jail and.
So. In the beginning, the people

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that I approached on on the sideof the road, I would offer them,
you know, an opportunity, but itnever worked out because, you
know, for example, the first kidI sent to Texas for treatment
and then he stayed out there andthen when he came back, he just,
it just, it didn't work out. He needed to be in a different
sober home. He wasn't close to me.
So I think it's for the better. I still helped him, you know,

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find a job somewhere else. That's what I try and do.
But I don't want to hold their hand.
Like that's the biggest thing too.
I want them to go after it just like I did, you know, I, I went
after it. And if you hold someone's hand,
they're not going to succeed. So say more about that.
I think that's that's some wisdom I think our folks would
love to hear about. Yeah, I mean, if you hold

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someone's hand, they're they're not going to do it.
They're going to expect you to continue to do it all the time.
And you know, in the beginning, I did that with people and.
I just realized that I have to stop because it's not helping
them, you know, it's. When you say you did it, you did
it. Meaning do you feel like you
were giving them too much cushion or it maybe enabling

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them by giving them too much opportunity?
They didn't have enough skin in the game or.
Basically, yeah. Yeah.
Like the first one, when he did come back, he did work for me
for some time, but again, it just didn't work out.
He went to a different sober home.
And sometimes you have to give tough love.
Agree. Yeah.
Well, and I've, I think any entrepreneur has it with a heart

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has probably done that guys likeus who have a, a back story
where we've had our own struggles probably more than
others, because we kind of have an eye for service.
And I have brought a lot of people into different companies
that I've had an opportunity to run when I felt like they just
needed a leg up or a second chance and giving them a

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vocation I thought might be. And, and I would say that I, I
agree with you. I think that.
Worked. It didn't work out more than it
did. Correct.
Yeah. And.
When I look back, it's I don't want to discourage because
obviously we're in the business of wanting to get people second
chances and get them employed and give them opportunities.
And so I think people should take a chance on people like

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that. But I think if it's a handout
and there's not, if it's an introduction where like you
said, they've got, they get an opportunity to work for it.
But I think I over coddled scenarios when I would bring
people in and it always ended upback and iron on me.
And you finally, after you've done it for a while, you start
to realize, you start to wake upsaid there's better ways I can
serve people that give them an opportunity to go build it for

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themselves. And the motivation turns from
more extrinsic, meaning it's more a little bit more about me
and and and and helping it be intrinsic so that they have the
ability to go, go change and heal.
That's right, they have to be strong.
And so how did you, I mean, tellme how you made that jump.
So so you got this landscaping company and you bet you built
some success with it, but you felt this calling to want to

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give back. I mean, how do you go from that
to driving around and pulling people off the streets and
finding ways to get them help? So as I'm driving from job to
job or estimate to estimate, I see people on the side of the
road and I just want to, I want to see if I can call their bluff
and see because they're holding a sign, I want a job.
So that was like the first thingI said, Hey, do you want a job?

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I'll give you 1. And that that one kid, he was
just so viral, the video, he actually took me up on my
opportunity and obviously he gothigh so I had to get him clean.
And that's what I did. So once, once the video started
going viral, my memory is so bad.

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So that's why, you know, I got to think sometimes take your
time. This was like 4 years ago.
It's. Been four years since all this
is just like. Yeah, it's about four years
since it's all started. So I guess once the video went
viral, some guy from, I think itwas Colorado Roofers in
Recovery, he reached out and he's like, I love that kid.

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I want to help him out. I want to give him a
scholarship. And that's when like the first
scholarship started. And so I took him up on his
offer. He went to state facility for
detox. Soon as he came out, I got him
on on the next flight to Dallas.I think it was Dallas.
And what I told this kid Kevin was Kevin, if you, you know,

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take this opportunity, what I will do for you is I will fly
with you down there, basically hold his hand.
And again, this is the very beginning.
And I said I will pick you up when you're done.
And that's what I did, yeah. And what I'm just to go from
from here all the way to there is a, there's a problem here in

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that I'm literally seeing peoplewho are getting overlooked and
looked through and there's not alot of opportunity.
And that it takes some boldness to be able to come up and say,
hey, you want a job, I'll offer you a job.
When you say call their bluff, Imean, how much did that actually
happen? How many people it took you up
on it versus weren't really looking for a job?
So if I asked. 10 people. Maybe one would.
You know, yeah. But the one for you was like,

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inspiring. And you were very inspiring.
Little little match or little fuse and you were ready to go.
Yeah, it makes me work really hard because they have so much
opportunity in them, you know, they, some people just need that
extra hand out, you know. To to bring them aboard.
Did did you know about, did you know the mental health space or

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the addiction treatment space? I mean, did you know how any of
it worked or how to get people into treatment scholarship, any
of that? Barely.
And you just, you kind of figured it out.
Yeah. Yeah.
'Cause when I went to prison, I basically kicked on a prison
bed. That was my detox.
So I mean, yeah, I went to what were.
You coming off of? Opioids the worst.
It was awful. I didn't sleep like 5 days.

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I went to a detox, you know, twice because it was when I
first got, when I got caught thesecond time, you know, it was
mandatory. So.
But I mean I left right after. I did that.
In hopes that I would get a lesser sentence.
And it didn't really work. So.
But yeah, I don't really know much about the treatment world.

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I've just been learning it ever since I started doing this,
Yeah. And picking it up as you get
people place and, and that I guess that's one of the things
I'm impressed is your because weactually had a connection point,
which is how we can tell that story now too.
But you, you just, I mean, you kind of fearless.
It's like it when it comes to trying to help somebody.
You're not scared to ask questions or ask for help or ask

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for a bed or try to figure out what obstacles need to be
removed to get the, you know, people help.
Do you know how many people you've supported at?
So. Like physically it's about over
50, but like just from social media, people send me an e-mail
or like comment and say, Hey, because of you, I'm, I'm sober.

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I'm sober two months, I'm sober two days because of your videos.
And that's, I mean, that's amazing, really is.
The first one you did, What was his name again?
Kevin. What?
What made you want to video it? What was it about you?
It's like I want to tell this story.
I mean, I think you just said itlike, I want to tell this story.
I want to videotape and ask him and just kind of tell everyone

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else in the world that drives bythis person and just keeps the
window up. You know, I want to, I want to
give a reason behind it. And sure enough, that's what it
was. And when you do film it, is it
just you filming it or do you have somebody?
I think you've got somebody withyou now, probably.
No, I still. Do I still do it all yourself?
Yeah, that's why I'm overwhelmed.

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But I have a phone mount that goes to my windshield and that's
how I do it. Very simple.
And you disclose the people up front how I'm filming this.
So sometimes it's not upfront, it's after, but.
Before I post it. Before you post.
It yeah, they know that. OK, Yeah.
And then the very first time youdid it, you just, it was just
were you, were you already on social media and, and trying to

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build. Yeah, that's when I was the good
boss, and I'm still a good boss,but that's like when that all
started. Yes, I started with my guys and
then I went on to that and I just kind of mixed the two of
them together. And now I don't feel much of my
guys, but I still take care of them because there's just.
There's more people that need help out there.

(26:42):
OK. So, so you're doing a lot more
of going to find people. Yeah.
And, and how do you, how do you do it?
Do you have it set up? You you set up, have you set up
a nonprofit yet or? You.
Got your own nonprofit? Yeah, tell me about that.
So I did that with LegalZoom. I had no idea what I was doing.
I googled it and. That's what I did, by the way.
Yeah, we're all trying to. Figure out, yeah.

(27:03):
So I did it. It worked out.
I'm grateful for it. I've had great donors along the
way. It's hard to find donors, but
I've had enough where I can at least help one person here and
there, you know? And what's your tell me, tell me
like the mission, like here's when I set this nonprofit up,
here's what I want to go do withit.

(27:23):
Like my big dream is. So when I set it up, it was
helping homeless and people struggling with addiction.
But then I expanded it to just helping families in need.
Anyone that just struggling, youknow, if you have a billion
struggling, I want to help you with it.
Yeah. Where do you see it going?
Tell me about what what your needs are with it right now.

(27:45):
Do you feel like right now can, are you raising money to try to
help pay for transportation to pay for treatment?
Or are you creating? I know you talked to me a little
bit about how you're creating treatment partners where it
makes sense for you to be able to create, which I think is so
clever. It's kind of it's, it's almost
like an old school, great bartersystem.
That's right. Most, a lot of treatment

(28:07):
centers, especially public treatment centers, don't have
big marketing budgets. They don't know how to tell
their story for people to find out about their services.
And then here's a great storyteller who's bold enough to
go pull guys off the street thatcan expose people to your
audience. But you got a lot of eyes on you
and and you're getting in exchange, you're getting people
the gift of recovery. That's right.
And that was that the model or the playing all along?

(28:27):
No, it really wasn't. Yeah.
Just it just evolved that way. Everything evolved just
naturally. I mean, like, to this day I
still have trouble trying to getscholarships because a lot of
treatment centers, they don't really want, you know?
Big advertisement. They don't want the limelight on
them. I don't know why, I mean, maybe

(28:48):
there's reasons, but I just feellike they, they get nervous, you
know, working with someone because if one bad thing, they
feel like they're going to get shut down or whatever.
I know I'm hearing about the patient brokering stuff going on
and it's it's awful. What have you heard about it?
I heard that people just gettingpaid to bring people to
treatment. And you know, it sucks because

(29:10):
people look at me as that's whatI'm doing, but I'm helping
homeless people like I'm helpingpeople with no insurance.
Right. So how can I be doing that?
It's the opposite of what I've seen known and I've been in the
space for quite a while and thatbecame a significant trend and
it we really haven't had a greatopportunity to regulate it.
And so there's a lot of bad players, unfortunately, that

(29:32):
still do it patient brokering. Certain states have cracked down
on it more than others, which I'm, I'm grateful for, but
they're still a big need. But I, I make up that a lot of
the providers out there that if they've got, if they're full,
the full census most of the timeand they, they're either

(29:52):
federally or state funded or it's all third party reimbursed,
then they're not really, they don't really have a need to
market. And like you said, sometimes
there's either either under regulation or over regulation,
which makes it difficult to wantto interact publicly.
Another challenge is because I think you and I have have talked

(30:13):
about work, trying to figure outhow we could work on a case or
two together and help tell a story, which I'm, I'm really
open to doing it and I'm just learning about your process.
We're trying to figure out, you know, what, what it could look
like with some of our resources and, and I think we'll find a
way to come together. But often it's, you know, you
there are places I think that can take guys straight off the

(30:34):
streets without, without much ofan assessment at all because you
really don't have time at that, you know, like an ER type
residential program where and there are other places based on
licensure, like ours, where you had the level of acuity matters
significantly and you have to doan assessment to get pre
approved. It's all part of the regulatory
process, which if you're meetingguys upfront and needing to

(30:58):
place them right away, that creates a little bit of a
challenge. Yeah, it's tricky in the in
between time. And how have you figured out how
to work around that? Honestly, for the most part it's
worked out great. I mean, I do ask people when I
first meet them, like do they have any major health
conditions? Because obviously if they have.
You know, heart conditions or something major, most facilities

(31:20):
can't take them. But for the most part it's it's
worked out. And what I do is like, so
basically I'll have a scholarship already in my
pocket, like ready to go. You know, when I talk to the
facility, they'll they'll give me the go ahead.
And when I approach the person, most of the time I know that I
have that ready to go. So basically I'll call, you know

(31:43):
how to do like a pre screening. I'll have them call or I'll call
with them. Oh.
OK, so you'll walk them through the.
Process. Oh, great.
Yeah. And sometimes it doesn't happen
like right away, it's 24 hours later or 48 hours later.
But I try and get them in soon, you know, because they can
change their mind like that, youknow?
And by the time you're when you find them, they're a pretty
vulnerable place. Yeah, regardless.

(32:05):
But have you, have you run into a scenario yet where you had a
scholarship, you've found somebody that really needs to
help and you do the pre screening and for some reason
they don't check all the admissions criteria and they're
not a fit and then you're havinga pivot and try to find
something else? No, I haven't had that happen.
OK. So you got the, you've kind of
got it dialed in where it's like, all right, this

(32:27):
scholarship treats this population and you kind of know
in your mind if they're going tobe a fit or not before you
probably even offer it. Yeah, I've had some good
facilities that I work with. You know, the first one was a
mental health facility in addiction, so that's great.
And then the rest that they've been good.
Yeah. Is there a a did the ones you
talk about, do you do you talk about them publicly or do you

(32:50):
keep them anonymous or? I, I mean, I haven't really.
If I'm working with them at the time, then yeah, I've definitely
mentioned their name, but I guess I don't really mention
them much. OK, Yeah.
Well, if, if I guess what I'm getting at is if there is, I
love that folks are raising their hand to do this with you.
Because I think any, anybody in our space that's willing to

(33:12):
color outside the lines and try to, because, I mean, we got to
look in the mirror at some pointand realizes mental health and
substitutes providers. If we don't have the humility to
say there's a way bigger problemout there than it is a solution
we can provide, meaning it's outpacing us significantly.
And I think we've got to figure out how we partner with guys
like you who are completely unorthodox.

(33:32):
You know, here's a guy that runsa landscaping company that now
is, is, is taking people that some would look at and say
they're untreatable or unapproachable or we can't.
And you're like, hell with that.No, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to figure this thing out and I want to figure out how
to partner with you guys. And one of the things that
jumped off to me when we start talking about a case is just how
important the ethics of all of it was for you.

(33:54):
I mean, I didn't know, you know,I didn't know.
I just had seen a few stories. And obviously the stories are
moving. I mean, I hope you get more eyes
and ears on, on you just from our conversation, because it, if
you want to be inspired and you want to wake up and say, am I
doing enough for the world, takea look at my buddy Victor and,
and it'll give you a charge. But I, but I thought, and I
thought, you know, there, there's so many things that

(34:14):
could be challenging or go wrongwith that model and there is
such a reason to be able to takethe risk and do it anyway.
And so if, if you want to talk about any of the partners or
feel free, because I just want to shine a light on, of course,
what you're doing and people that are willing to take the
risk and do it with you. I think it's really important.
Yeah, because I'm not the only one that takes a risk.

(34:35):
You know, the facility does as well.
The most latest facility that I work with is Palm Beach Recovery
Centers and they're located in Florida.
And you know, without them, I wouldn't be saving lives or the
other treatment facilities. It's, it's amazing, you know,
when two people or, or facility and, and me can get together
what we can do. And the other thing too, like

(34:59):
most people don't understand theobstacles that I go through.
Like I may not have a. A big obstacle where a facility
can't take someone. But I'll use this, for example,
it was a girl in the streets of Boston.
It's called Mass and Cass. It's like the last resort where
people go. They're like zombies there,

(35:21):
literally. And it's so sad.
This one girl took me up on my offer and she was so bad, like,
you know, swinging her arms, bent over, just doing the whole
thing because fentanyl, all the stuff, you know, it's all
synthetic. And I took her.
I got her to go with me to the airport.

(35:44):
Trying to remember my videos. There's a video of me like
sitting by my truck just saying sorry guys, she doesn't want to
go. And then the next day she's
agreed to go and I'm in the airport with her and there's
all. People that are not on drugs, I
don't want to say regular people, 'cause like we're all or
normal, we're all normal. Just some, some are just fucked

(36:06):
up. And she's in the airport with me
and she's nodding off every second we're walking and she's
literally she stops and she's like that and I have to get her.
I have to babysit her and you know, we.
Get all the way to the gate. We finally make it in and most
people that I help have no ID, no like license, nothing.

(36:28):
And that's the other thing that people don't know about what I
do. I have to get them a manual
verification and have them pass like a screening.
And that's it's always hard because when they're messed up
on drugs or they've been homeless for so long, they don't
remember like a phone number or a last address or sometimes

(36:48):
relative names. And it's, it's sad, but anyway,
she's, we're at the gate, we're about to board in like 20
minutes and she's laying on the floor.
I got her food. The food's all over the floor.
And people walking by staring ather.
And I'm just like looking at them.
And you know, a couple people, Ihad to say, say something to
them. And I'm like, don't judge,

(37:08):
please. You have no idea what she's been
through because that's the biggest thing, like don't judge
someone. And we've all been through
stuff. Some have been through worse
than others. And the ending of the story,
she, I had to take her back to the streets.
She didn't want to go on the plane and her family later
helped her about like a month later, and she got clean and

(37:31):
sober and she looks incredible. Like, incredible.
Still in touch with her. So it was her like boyfriend
that was texting me and I told him that I want to see her.
This is like all recent the pastlike 2 weeks I got a picture on
my phone. That's one of those, yeah,
please. I'd love to see it.
So that's one of those downstream impact stories where

(37:52):
it's like you planted a seed andthen the harvest happened even
later. Not with your process, but it
just inspired somebody to get clean family to step back up.
And that happens a lot. And I also reunite families,
like there's people like this kid Tay from No, not Texas, from
Las Vegas. I took him off the streets.

(38:13):
He was there for 5 / 5 years, nocontact with his kids, no
contact with anyone. And he's now today celebrating
four months. He got a car, he got his
license, he's got a job, all in four months.
He's got his family back. I flew his family to go see him
when he was like 2 months clean from Alabama I think.

(38:34):
To Florida and it's like stuff like that that's really it gets
me gives me the. Chills and I love doing it.
Is, is your, your funding, does it, do you cover a lot of the
transportation? Is that where a lot of it goes?
Because obviously there's nothing there to be able to
cover even, you know, flights oranything.
And then where you're sending people, is that primarily how

(38:56):
it's used? If you get, if you get the the
barter for the the bed, it's allthe associated expenses with
getting somebody there. Correct.
And then the aftercare pay for sober living.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. Because if they have nothing,
they're going to relapse. It's it's true.
So I pay for sober living, groceries, a haircut,
cigarettes. I know cigarettes are not good,

(39:18):
but they need cigarettes, you know, If that's their thing,
that's going to keep them clean.Not a bad trade.
Yeah, And you know, if I raise $10,000 for someone that's going
to get them set for a while, like the kid Tay, we just bought
him a car with some of that money that I raised.
It's like 2500 bucks. He registered it and we raised

(39:38):
like 20 grand for him. Wow.
Yeah. And so you'll tell the story and
then you'll direct people to, it's like a, a, your site or the
nonprofit site. So I do Gofundmes and I have my
nonprofit site, OK, So if someone just wants to make it
like a general donation, they can do it there.
They can even do it on the GoFundMe because every person
that I raise money for, I say itin the caption, this is for them

(40:02):
and the next person that comes along.
So if there's extra money raised.
You know it should. Go to the next person too.
And I also make it clear becausesome people probably look at me
and say, how do you do this? And with them seeing the amount
of money that's raised and then not, you know, one, one thing to
expect that money. And in the beginning, I tell

(40:22):
them, I say, listen, I'm going to raise this money, but you do
not have access to it. I make sure I monitor it for
you. I'll send you Cash App if you
need it. You got to send me receipts and
I hold them accountable, you know?
If I just. Give them all the money, they're
just going to blow it. Yep.
And how do you keep? I was the one guy trying to keep
up with. All of that.
It's hard. I'm not as organized, you know,

(40:45):
as someone else maybe. But I, I do what I can.
I have spreadsheets and obviously I learned, you know?
In a way you're, you're kind of it's inside our language to our
field, but you're kind of case managing a lot of these guys
because you, you, you while you're doing it all, I guess
you're intervening on the front end.
So you got the interventionist hat on and then you're doing

(41:05):
placement. So there, there there's actually
people in all these professions.There's people that are
specialist replacement, there's people that are interventionist,
then there's people on the back end that are case managers and
you're kind of like the through line with all of that.
Would you see yourself wanting to build out a A-Team and and
have other people to help you with some of these pieces?
Is that your goal? OK.

(41:26):
So my goal right now, I'm building an app basically built
on the way that I do things and I just, it's not rolled out for
the public, but I have it on my phone now and it's basically
just going to allow people to get assistance if they come out
of treatment, if they come out of prison, you know, they have
no money, they have no family. I want to give them a preloaded

(41:49):
like $250, but not cash. You know, they, they can use it
at Walmart or something, you know, to get clothes for a job
interview or something like that.
They can get assistance on the app if they're struggling, if
they want to just talk to someone.
There's going to be like mentorslike myself on there.
People can donate on there. It's a really big app that I'm

(42:11):
only in the beginning stages with right now, but like, it's
going to be powerful. Sounds amazing.
Yeah, really powerful. When when you when you step into
spaces like that. I'm just trying to think of, I
run in a lot of people because Iwork in a helping profession and
I, I feel like I don't do an ounce of the great work that you
do, even though I'm, I'm proud of a lot of the work that I do.
I just, I think what the population you're serving and

(42:34):
the effort it takes to get there.
I so admire, but I, I think there's a lot of people that
will tap me even and say I don'tfeel fulfilled with what I'm
doing. And usually if you start to
chase that string and get curious and ask a few questions
is we all can get in this vortexwhere we're only doing things to
serve ourselves, the people closest to us.

(42:55):
And I do believe it didn't in recovery has taught me that.
Working in this field has taughtme that, and even for me, I've
got to find outlets for recoveryand service outside of my
vocation because I to get vocations tied to me, tied to
me, tied to my family. But I think there's a lot of
people that are looking to give back but don't have a direction
where they're scared to take thefirst step.

(43:16):
That's right. How would you encourage other?
People so. I mean, it's funny you say that
because on the app there's goingto be like thousands, I'm hoping
of like small Gofundmes. And basically you'll see
someone's face, you'll see what they need.
And sorry, I had to swallow. Let's say there's someone on the

(43:39):
side of the road or whatever that's homeless that just needs
a meal, like just one SEC, a cheeseburger.
Someone like me can approach them and say, Hey, what's up?
What do you need? They'll tell me.
I just want a meal. I'll make a a picture or
whatever, a video and just say this man wants to eat.
He's homeless. You know, that's all he wants
right now because some people don't want to come from the

(44:01):
street and go get a job and do all that.
They need to take steps. So basically on the app, you can
being a user on the app, you canscroll through and just look at
everyone that's struggling in the world.
Sounds kind of crazy, but and you can help them.
You know, you can click on this guy Harry, he wants a
cheeseburger. You can send the money for a

(44:21):
cheeseburger, not cash, and you can feed that person and you can
have your, your history showing what you've done.
You can help 5 people a week, one person, whatever.
It's a great way to feel that you know, fulfilment and you're
helping someone and then you're planting the seed to that person
because that person's on the app.
Then you got me that comes alongthat tries to take him off the

(44:43):
streets. So it's.
There's there's a lot like I want to tell you all in this
podcast, but it'll take me a whole day to tell you.
So we got here, we got time. I do want to hear back 'cause I
think it's a brilliant idea, yeah.
I'll show you after, it's on my phone, OK?
So you're basically collecting stories and you're using the
currency of story to connect with other people.
And for what I just said, which is people often don't know where

(45:06):
to start. That's right.
You're, you're giving them an here's a menu.
Here's an opportunity to see if you can relate to any of these
stories and be able to jump in at any level, whether it be buy
a cheeseburger or since I made atreatment.
Yeah, there's going to be animals on there.
If an animal needs something, it's kind of like GoFundMe.
It's like GoFundMe, Cash app, indeed, I forget the rest, but

(45:30):
it's just a a big platform bringing everyone together.
When someone comes out of prison, they'll be on the app,
they'll get that preloaded card,they'll have a profile, they'll
have tasks to do. You know, did you look for a job
yet? Did you go to a meeting?
Did you do something? You know you can get graded, you
can have stars next to your namewith how much good that you do.

(45:54):
Yeah, there's there's a lot. And you dreamed this whole thing
up the. Whole thing.
And have you got an app developer you're working with
or? And so it's already, is it
already built, but you're just testing the piloting, Yeah.
Correct. We're in testing now.
OK. Yeah.
And did you get some, is your nonprofit the one that's funding
it or did you get some people? I'm funding it.
You're doing it all yourself, just out of your what you're

(46:15):
doing with your landscape company.
So they. They see a lot of potential in
the app, the builders and they gave me a really good deal, OK,
good, basically at cost. And they gave me the option to
pay them over 12 months. So that's what I'm doing.
I'm literally giving everything I have for this app because I, I
believe in it, you know, so much.
And obviously I'm going to be looking for investors.

(46:38):
I have a few on the table now, so 'cause I can't fund this
myself, you know it's going to be at least a half a million,
maybe a million to really get itoff the.
Ground up and going? Yeah.
What, what do you think generosity in general as a
principle? We talked about service and how
important we both think it is. But what do you think it it does
for humanity and people? Why are you so driven to be able

(47:00):
to? Because you could go do all this
anonymously and not tell anybodyabout it and try to figure out
how to raise the money, you know, privately without using
the stories. But it seems like this story is
the currency here as much as anything.
The story is what tells it. And it honestly motivates people
to do the same thing. So you're looking for a ripple.
Yeah, that's what I want. Nice ripple effect.

(47:23):
Because people see it happening.It makes them feel good behind
the screen, and they're sitting there thinking like, you know
what? I want to do something good.
Even if it's like holding the door for someone coming out of a
store. Like if I ever see an elderly
person with a cane or whatever, I'm grabbing that door.
I'm going to run out of my way to make sure I grab that door.
That's just what I do. I'm just so addicted to it, I

(47:47):
really. I don't know how to explain it,
but I love doing nice things. And where did it?
Who did? Where'd your imprint on that
come? But let me ask you this, ask you
this way. What's the most, can you recall?
Maybe the most generous thing anybody's ever done for you at
one of the most vulnerable times.
Honestly, I don't remember. If I had to say where it came

(48:08):
from, I would say my mother because she's just such a nice
lady. That's where I got it from.
Just watching your mom be kind. Yeah.
And then I just multiplied it, Renee.
Renee. Yeah, Come on, Renee.
Look what you started. Yeah, she's great.
She's still she's still got a good relationship with your mom.
She's still around. Great, fantastic.
And then tell me about you personally or you've got kids.

(48:30):
You. Oh yeah, I got two daughters,
nine and six. They're my world.
They're the reason why I work hard every day.
And here's a great example. The stuff I do every day, my
kids are nine and six. They understand what I'm doing.
Like they it rubs off on them. You know, in school, my daughter
had a, a mentally challenged classmate and she would help

(48:53):
him. He had, I forget when you called
them, they're like canes that goon your arms because you
couldn't really walk. She would help him and you know,
she sees someone again holding the door.
She'll do that for someone and they see it coming from me, so
it rubs off on them. So it does work, you know.
That's the whole plan. That's the whole plan.

(49:13):
What do you, what do you hope for when you know, like, like
right now, you're bringing your kids into this story?
What are you, what are you hoping for with your kids in
terms of the direction that they'll end up going by seeing
some of what Dad's doing now? I hope they never get into
drugs. That's my.
Prevention one O one. Yeah, that scares me.
Don't do this. Yeah, and I want them to

(49:35):
understand that we are all equal, We're all the same.
We just go through different shit.
Some are way worse than others and I want them to understand
that. Don't judge either.
So don't judge. And we're all equal, and
everybody deserves a leg up in asecond chance. 100%.
Come on. Well, part of what I wanted to

(49:55):
have a conversation with you about.
Well, you know what? Let's talk about how we got
connected. Yeah.
You want to tell? That story, I think it's an
awesome. Story yeah, of course.
So I think I, I sent Jelly, I tagged him in some stuff like, I
don't know, two years ago or whatever.
And he ended up, he must have came across my videos.

(50:15):
So he sent me a message. He messaged me back because I, I
also sent him a message talking about the app.
I think I said, hey, Jelly, I have a great app that I'm
working on would love to show you because I know that this is,
you know, what you do all the time.
I'm sure you'd want to at least be some part in it helping
someone or, or whatever. And so trying.

(50:41):
To think, yeah. All right, so.
I'm going to the airport, I'm inOrlando airport and I put my
phone in in the bin and then it comes out of the other side and
I happen to see it and it said notification Jelly roll.
I'm like, no way. Like really.
He's really sent me a message. And so I opened it up and he's

(51:01):
like, brother first, first and foremost, I'm sorry that I'm
just seeing you now. What you're doing is absolutely
amazing. I love it.
I want to help in any way that Ican.
And he's like, let's, let's linkup.
I'll have you come to one of my shows.
And that's where like we got connected.
Obviously that didn't work because we were just all busy.

(51:22):
But yeah, I'm grateful that we got connected because you're a
great guy and everything that you all do is is amazing so.
And then there was a, there's a story that was being told that
we got connected to that with a young man.
Now that you've been able to gethelp.
And yes. So.
His name is Sean. Because we were going to, you
know, we were talking on how we can make something happen.

(51:44):
And this kid, Sean is in Floridaand he's, I think he's like 25.
I think he just turned 26. Someone made a video of him with
some guy in a minivan with Texasplates praying to him outside of
the window he was holding his. Powerful.
Video. Powerful and and it's Brandon

(52:05):
Lake's song, right? Yeah, hard fought.
Hallelujah. Yeah, yeah, Brandon and Jelly.
And Jelly, right? They're both right.
That's what I thought. So it's it's that song, and it's
just. Such a powerful.
Video. It's insane.
And so I said to myself, when I seen that video, I was in the
area 'cause I noticed the Morganand Morgan sign at the top, and

(52:25):
I found the area and I said to myself, I'm going to find this
kid. Before I leave.
Florida and I had like 6 hours and I found him.
That's insane. It was incredible.
So I I approached him and I forget the first video, but it
was, I basically said, hey, do you want to come off the
streets? You know, how are you doing or
whatever. And he's like, Nah, man, not

(52:49):
right now. And I think, yeah, so I made the
video and then that's what happened.
I was leaving that day. I made the video maybe early in
the day or whatever, 'cause I think I stayed the night and I
made the video and I just said to myself, I got to find this
kid. So I went back a second time and

(53:11):
that's when I found him. And I said, listen, dude, look
at this video. Like so many people care about
you. And that's when he took my
number or I gave him my number. I set everything up and he
agreed to go, but it took like 2weeks for me to get him in.
That's when we were trying to dosomething right and luckily I
got him in at Palm Beach Recovery centers and that kid is

(53:32):
driven like a machine. Like he, he tells me to this day
he's like, I don't even think about getting high.
I can go on the streets. His mother's on the streets
sadly and he goes and visits her.
It's like that's that's strong right there coming fresh out of,
you know, fresh in a sobriety, going back on the streets.

(53:53):
And he's just, he's a different individual.
And I'm telling you, you could help 1000 more people or or none
in that story right there. I mean, the fact that you took
the time and it's like, I'm going to find this guy and see
if I can help him get better andlook at him now.
I know so much to be proud of onthat.
And we were, we were trying to find a way to come.

(54:14):
We were so close. We had this, we were working
with the logistics chess board, you and I, because we were
trying to figure out if we couldmeet up and try.
And I think that'll happen at some point because I know
Jelly's incredibly inspired by what you're doing.
And I am too. I actually had been watching you
a little bit prior to, but he, he hit me up and he was like,
Hey, do you know who this guy is?
And I was like, yeah, I've been,I follow him, you know, I've

(54:34):
been watching his work. He's doing amazing work.
And he said, well, we're connected.
Try to see if there's a way we can get together.
And so the first thing we wantedto do is get to know you a
little more, understand your process and then try to get
shine a bigger light on, on yourstory.
And I think, you know, we're building quite a few things for
for him and what he's he's he's doing.
I think you guys share a lot of overlapping passion.

(54:55):
So I think the timing is going to work out right for be able to
support you in some way and do some more stuff together.
But in the meantime, I've just enjoyed sitting, wanting to sit
and getting to know you. You know, that was what I was
excited about today. Then you jumped on the
invitation to, to pop all the way in on your super busy guy
with your business and trying torun this nonprofit solo.
What, what could we do, IE, we or anybody that's listening

(55:18):
right now? What's the best way to support
you? I know you got the app coming
and we could get involved in thestories you're working at daily.
I, I think everybody should giveyou a follow for the most part
because I can get to know you that way.
But what else could we do that would be helpful?
I think the first thing is everyone watching, do something
good for someone right off the bat.

(55:38):
And then a way to support me. Simply just follow me, watch
what I'm doing. Help out in any way that you can
because some people can't donate.
They can comment. They can, you know, share some
good words to someone. And I mean, if you go to the
website, it's the good project dot US.
That's my nonprofit. You can see everything on there.

(55:59):
I mean, it's not like. Updated as of.
A month ago, but it's, you know,it's pretty current.
It shows what I do on there. You can donate on there.
And just simply spreading the word, that's the biggest thing,
yeah. Well, you, you, you're, you're
hearing from the guy behind someof the magic that you've been
watching. And I get it now even more so.

(56:23):
I love that, you know, a lot of guys come on here and would come
on a format like this and want to talk for hours about what
they do and why they do it. And I feel like you're the kind
of guy that what you do outweighs what you say.
It's like you just look right, you know, right in and said,
hey, well, I said what can we doto help you?
And you said go help other people.
That speaks volumes. Because if everyone else does

(56:44):
it, then I don't have to do as much of it.
You know trying to it makes. Life easier on me because that's
why I make these videos. To just share it.
Man, if there's anything we can do to be wind behind your sails
or continue to cheer you on, youcan count on it.
Thank you. And you got a friend in in in
US. And I'm so thankful you took
time to come share some of your story today about who you are

(57:06):
and why you do what you do. And hats off again to to to your
mom and whoever was a part of throwing you that surprise that
that party. And I think if we could look at
more people on the back end of amistake or a set back in their
life and instead of judge, condemn or try to think we need

(57:26):
to hold them accountable all thetime.
How about just celebrate who they are so that they can begin
to have the confidence to step into what's possible and who
they can become. And thank God the right people
did that for you at the right time.
And now we get to watch you do that for a whole lot of other
people that otherwise probably would never, nobody would ever
stop and do that and think to dothat.
I thought about I, I mean, I have since watching you and

(57:49):
there's a couple other guys where, you know, I'll pass
people on the way into work and,and a lot of times I'm so busy
and consumed with what I'm doingin myself that I'm not even
making eye contact and giving people the decency and dignity
of treating them like a human being.
And I think if you're going to help people who are at the
bottom and the people we perceive sometimes as problems

(58:10):
in, in society, they're not going anywhere.
They're humans, they're our people.
It's like we're their people. I think we need more good guides
like you in the world that kind of put a light there and be
like, hey, these are humans and they deserve to be loved and and
be lifted up and be helped. And so thank God you're doing
it. Thank you.
I really appreciate it and me being here it means a lot, so

(58:31):
thank you. Now can't see, can't wait to see
where you go. Well, I want to have you too.
I want to get you back over here.
We'll keep this story going because once you get the app up
and going, and I hope you got a big team underneath that can.
Yeah, I'm, I'm putting A-Team together now.
It's probably going to start offwith some interns and.
Great. Some friends that you know,
believe in it, but yeah. Well, 'cause I know how

(58:52):
difficult it is just to tell thedigital side of the storytelling
and that alone is a full time job, just to be able to film,
edit and tell a story in addition to every stories.
Trying to raise money ultimatelyto get somebody help.
So I'm looking forward to you getting that team behind you and
looking forward to that app getting built.
And I hope you keep having fun doing what you're doing.
And I hope if I hope you take some time for you too.

(59:16):
I wanted to make sure and offer that we've, we've, you don't
know a lot about what, what I door what we do it on site, but a
ton of people in the helping profession use us for a recharge
where therapists and counselors and other people that are out
there doing the work 'cause it'sjust part of that, that path
that if you're consuming people's pain and trauma every

(59:39):
day, there's no way that it doesn't come off a little bit.
They call it vicarious and secondary stress, where you're
just consuming painful stories and people will come in
sometimes for three or four daysat our place in Tennessee or
California and just get a neededrecharge.
Just be able to I. Think that's what I need.
Well, I want to offer it to you.Thank you on on, on us.
You just appreciate that. Pick a week, pick and and come

(01:00:01):
and let us love on you for a fewdays because you certainly
deserve it. Thank you.
I really appreciate it.

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