Humility is for Suckaz

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(00:00):
Oh the silliness.
Biggest hits.
after that moment of deep respectand thoughtfulness,
humility is the secondAll right, everybody, have a good night.
glitter confetti confetti confetti.How much does your stove cost?
About half of Papua New Right?
You need to keep me. Period.
your prayers.

(00:22):
Hey, y'all.
Welcome to this episode of Hustling withe Harges
I'm Courtney.
Theater maker, soloist, knitter,nonprofit strategist,
and certified TV nerd.
I'm here with my co-creatorin real life sibling.
Let's go to everybody.
I'm Tyrone, motion designer,3D artist, animator,
and self-proclaimed King of the nerds,and a card carrying film snob.
And yes, I'm the younger sibling, whichmeans I bring the innovation and the pity.

(00:46):
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Whether you're a maker, a dreamer,a burnt out artist or just nosy.
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(01:07):
Courtney, you knew it was coming.
You knew it was coming.
How are you doing?
I am good, I am good.
It is.
About to be like September.
When this airs.
It'll be for real.
September will be kind of into September.
And I am both ready for the falland not ready for the fall at all.

(01:28):
I don't want it.
Why can't it be summer forever?
I love like I, you know,like my outside hot and my inside cold.
But the problem is, listeners, my AC is.
It's near the end.
It is.
We're going to try some repairs,and we're going to hope
by the time we listen to this that it has,made a speedy recovery.

(01:49):
But it's not the end.
So I'm gratefulthat the weather has cooled a bit.
I don't want cold.
I do not, but it's cooled a bit in a waythat is that I am into.
And I like it can feel like this,like 68 to 72 degrees
and sunny foreveris like my ideal temperature.
If any of y'allgot that on you, let me know

(02:14):
that on you.
Oh, right.
I'll pick that up off of youbecause you got any extra?
Let me go ahead. Get that on.
Let's go get that.
A lot of you got to pick that above you.
I love I, I that's what I want.
And New York does offer itbut sporadically you know it is.
Yeah.

(02:34):
It is definitely like and hard to get thethe cronut.
It is like, that's the relate.
That's the temperature that I want.
And it's when it's here, I'm into it.
You said a cronut.
I did, and I want to throw somethingthrough the camera,
and I can't.
Starting offteam ridiculous list starting.

(02:55):
But this episode is about to be bananas.
Nanas. Y'all have noidea is about to happen.
I'm so excited for y'all.
Yes, Tyrone, how are you?
I am also good.
It is about to become sweater weather.
So severe weather.
So, team button upis about to come out for real?

(03:20):
This is
one of the funny, I
figure, another one of the funny thingsabout, like, our sibling spaces,
like, Karen and I just have very differentoperating temperatures.
And so it's actually it's actually fullyindicated by what we're wearing.
If you're watching the visual,you know, on YouTube,
I designed a sun dress tank top situation,and Tyrone is wearing two layers

(03:43):
and he's in a sweater and, well,only one layer,
but I am definitely in a full long sleevedsweatshirt.
I also have jeans on and I am definitelyin like an asymmetrical skirt.
My legs is out all huffy likeand we are in
two lanes in the same building no AC.

(04:03):
My window is open.I am practically on top of it.
My window is also open,
but it is behind me and no breeze.
Breeze.
And so I it's just funny that like, we aresitting, this is this is this is it.
This is how it ishow we live in the world.
And so if I walk outside
and I am comfortable,Tyrone will go grab a sweater.

(04:25):
Like that is how we operate,where it's like I'm like, yes, breeze.
And he's like wrapped up in something.
I'm I'm actively shivering,actively shivering.
And it's I, it'sit is one of the funniest moments
because it's like,are you in the same place we actually are?
We are, believe it or not,

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standing next to each other in this.
But you cannot tell from the head.
Thank.
You. I'm just like fanning.
And I'm like, how can I be wearing less?
Looking up,looking up indecency laws in my location?
Like, what is the legal minimumamount of clothing I could be wearing?
So. So forget the decency minimum.

(05:09):
What is the what is the.
I would wear one more pieceof clothing than the law allows.
Right.
Like that's, But no, I'm.
I'm doing well.
I got a lot of irons in the fire rightnow, so, you know,
last episode we talked about waiting.
That's where I am right now.
I'm doing a lot of waiting.
A lot of just contemplating,conceptualizing.

(05:33):
trying to put a lot of a lot of thingsin order.
Also, if you're looking at the video,you see the hair,
you see itas you see the fresh look. Okay.
Shout out to Carla.
Tara got the new hotness right?
If you're looking for somebody to getyour locks done, she says shape you up.
You looking for somebody in the Brooklynarea?
Carla at Styles by Carla.

(05:53):
She got me right.
She's got me rightfor like three years now.
And you know not sponsoredbut doing it big.
Doing it big. We just like to show up.
We like not sponsored at allwho just show up for us as always.
You know, coffee sponsored by September.
Right.
And by sponsored.
It's it's absolutely not sponsored.

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But we love to celebratethe people who celebrated us.
And it is we've been really lucky in thata lot of people have shown up for us.
And we like to celebrate good work. Yes.
And Carla hooked you up.
Carla hooked me up. This.
This might be my favorite styleand a tool.
This might last.This might last more than two weeks.
Might.
It might.

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But, you know, sometimes you just gottaget a nail to scalp Yeah, it looks great.
Oh my goodness.
We're going to let's jump right into itthen.
Right into it.
We're gonnawe are going to jump right into it.
We're going to talk a little bitabout today's theme,
why today is going to be so silly.
And if, you know, listen to episode seven.
We gave a preview of it, but it really is.

(06:55):
So we talked about ball out of control.
Oh, what happens when we win?
What happens when we win?What happens when we win?
You get the resources, you get to supportyou, gets the money when you can.
In fact, ball out of control,ball out of control.
As Courtney likes to say.
This is after we bought the third yachtaddress, right? Is.
Yeah, I say it's the third.Yeah, it's the third.
Yeah, I know that the needs are met.

(07:16):
Maybe the resources are resource.
We have taking care of our friends,neighbors, collaborators.
We have we have done the the enough.
You've done the good we have done.
All the right things.
It's time to. It's time to reap now.
Right. Yes, patron.
It's paid the debts, supportedthe projects, done the things.

(07:37):
What is the.
Forgive the expression but it's awhat do we do
when you get the fuck you money.
Get in the face.
Fuck you money when you can look somebodyin the face who was like, you know what?
Did you like not doing it?
Not doing it.
I'm not doing it on a home on you, Jeff.
And none of it.
Oh, yeah.

(07:59):
And so this episode really is, workshop
in two titles, but they are both the, thethe heart of it.
We're gonna see which one wins.
But it is ball out of controlor humility is for suckers.
What happens againwhen we're at the top killing it.
Right.
And moneyguns like walking into kind of wow.

(08:23):
Yes. Yes.
Some money guns, lots of
stew table and throwing anymore.
Because every time we do,we just fucking just spray my guns.
Have you seen those?
I want to make sure I get the, the context right.
I believe they are Nigerian weddingsand or Kenyan weddings.

(08:45):
I want to make sure. I don't want to.
Yes, but I've seen the oneswhere the where they're just like.
Just like throwing money.
Where the and the the bride can't smileuntil it's enough money.
Yeah.
And then I love those little bit.
They, they're sour face.
They're
because I'm a naturally smiley person.
I actually thought about like mein this challenge.
It wouldn't be so hard for me.

(09:06):
I'd have like $2.
No, no, that's not the point.
This is that you got to go to the activatethe cheeks, the activate.
I'm goes. I'm.
I've been throwing chest.
I'm closing. I'm closing my eyes.That's what that was.
I'm closing my bag over my head.
Right.
Because yes, the ideashe only she only smiles once.
It's enough money. And I love the ideathat everybody understands.

(09:28):
The assignment is it's never enough.
You sit there 45 minutes,just can't even practice it.
Niggas arms is weaknow that is, I love that.
Yes, I've seen those.
And that has been glorious.
Those are really awesome to see.
But before we jump in to this main moment,you know what time it is.

(09:48):
It's not for the evening. Shout out,
You. sibling
shout out, dance.
We're keeping it right the way it's going.
It, it's going in.

(10:10):
Of course we are. For who is your sibling?
Shout out for the week.
My sibling shout out for the week.
Wood and Steve Harris.
Oh, great choice.
Excellent actorsfor all all around awesome dudes.
But looking at, like, just great careers.
And you know, I,I love siblings for a variety of reasons.

(10:31):
Clearly I like mine. He's right.
But I do appreciate the folks who.
Like I just like watching a workethic in, in play.
Right.
And both of them both Steven WoodHarris have had just really long careers
and crazy long careersand just are definitely

(10:52):
the highlights in a lot of their work.
And you're it's like, I'm always excitedto see, a Harris brother in something.
Always.
I get doubly excited in the opportunitieswhere you get to see
both and like,oh yes, it doesn't happen often,
but when it does,you're just like, this is yeah.

(11:13):
Hey. And it's.
And so I'm just just peopleI feel like I've gotten to witness
do really great workin a variety of settings.
For a lot of years.
Yeah. Like consistently.
And so, you know, just yeah.
Shout out to wouldn'tSteve Harris just. Yes.
It went really great things.
What team. Sorry.

(11:33):
Remember the Titans is myI mean, you boys in that bathtub.
That black Matt black woman.He made me look so mad.
So, man, Steve Harris just out here,I win.
Harris is doing.
I haven't gotten to watch it yet.
So forgive me,but the, the new love story with,
I think it's forever the marble Bracket

(11:54):
Hill one on Netflix for two reallywonderful things about his performance.
Yep. Forever.
Yes, the TV series.
But yes. Here, based on the JudyBlume novel.
And I've heard of things I just haven't.
I, I strongly suggest you watch it.
Everybody says it's good.I just haven't done it.
It's on the list of thingsto watch then, for sure.

(12:15):
Yeah, yeah.
But, Yeah, just feeling just super.
It's just great to have watched somebodyin a variety of things
and to watch like a pair of peoplein a variety of things who have clearly
shown themselves to be excellentactors, have shown themselves to be,
consistent and powerful.
So, yeah, the other ranges,their range is really good.

(12:36):
Yeah.
How about you, Barbara?
My, siblings
are from one of my favorite video gamefranchises, Assassin's Creed.
And they are Jacob and Eve Fryefrom Assassin's Creed Syndicate.
So they are.
They are fraternal twins,and they are both assassins

(12:59):
and 1920s British gangsters,which I think is just really great.
Assassin's Creed Syndicate is a greatit's a really fun game.
And they don't really, you know, theyI think the the dual protagonists,
this is like one of the first times wherethey really did the dual protagonists.
I think it worked really well.
I enjoyed the the differencesof characters and how they play.

(13:23):
I love that Jacob just carriesjust walks around with Knuckledusters day
and he has a top hat can get knocked offwhen he gets punched.
I mean, it's amazing.
They're it's such a fun game. It's.
Yeah, the different styles are fun.
I believe I could be wrong,but for the Assassin's Creed series,

(13:44):
it really introduced the like kindof district version of the open world.
Which as a gameplay mechanic,I really enjoyed
it was it's definitelythe first one to do it the best.
Yeah, I know it wasn't.
I sure wasn't the first game to do it,
but I remember bringing thatinto the Assassin's Creed Space,
because you had to get so many like,mini districts

(14:06):
to be able to then to even be ableto access the mini boss of a district.
Yeah. Do like to do like a.
Yeah, like a stab was like a gang warwhich I did.
Which was just don'tduring the Industrial Revolution.
Yes, I know Assassin's CreedSyndicate is a game
I kind of want to revisit,but I'm always afraid because you revisit
and then like, because of changesin the resolution and gameplay

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or whatever,
like you forget all of the thingsthat were frustrating about the game.
Okay, some of the great things,
and you go back to it and you be like,this is stupid.
I'm playing a potato right now
is an actual is an actual potato.
So they do have like a
HD remastered version,which is very fun, but it does have

(14:48):
the same like, gameplay mechanicsand like controls.
So that's fresh.
That makes me want to snap my controllerin half.
Yeah. It's, games are different.
a bit of a tangent.I recognize each game is different.
This is the best tangent for me.
I love this type of tangent
right game to different I recognizeand each game has its own mechanics,
but I really do appreciate thatwe have kind of settled

(15:10):
into a standard around
kind of button mapping, and it's not a.
I want to be like, I know there'snot a written rule and you know what?
To be fair,I'm not even in the video game industry.
So maybe somebodysomewhere has like a mapping standard, but
like where the types of actions arewhere it's like
the bottom most buttonsalmost is the your action button, right.

(15:31):
You're kind of in the diamond.
The topmost button can be either a top orsometimes it's a select button if there's
where running goes and what the triggersdo, and it feels far more intuitive.
And when you go back to gamesthat happened kind of before these,
I would call themin fact like rituals of practice.
Yeah.
Where it's like itbecause it doesn't feel like again,

(15:52):
it feel like there's just like a standardor a written thing
that says, like,
this is where your punchesand your kicks are going to be,
kicks are going to be this is whereyour triggers are going to be.
It doesn't quite do that.
But what I do see is like, okay,
I remember we, we played, Batman,oh, the Arkham series.
Arkham series,but particularly Arkham Knight.
And you're like, there's actually norepeatable logic to these button things.

(16:14):
Like each combo was.
So a year was a different set of buttons.
And as opposed to being like all the punchcombos, use this set of buttons
with this core,because once you create this like baseline
where it's like,you know, is high kick, low
kick or high punch, low punchor generally like

(16:36):
light attack, heavy attack.
Yeah, that's that's definitelywhat it's turned into now is light attack,
heavy attack.
And it's like and like each buttonalmost gets like an element where it's
like light attack is one button,heavy attack is a different button.
And it's like.
And this top of the section is our handattacks in this top, our foot attacks.
And so now you're know, okay,well that one of this grid,

(16:58):
this one has to be heavy foot attack.
This one has to be light foot attack.
This is whatever.
And then of suddenyou have a gun on each side. So. Right.
These are the triggers or swords.
It's like you're swords are up here.
And so now you can create theselayered combinations.
It's like all right I want a heavy handattack and a sword. Bam.
And now you can like create this logicaround the buttons.

(17:18):
Yeah.
Where you can intuitwhere some things are at least make
some like thoughtful combinationswhere before it used to just be
every button does something differentand you just have to memorize.
You just have to memorize it.
What those buttons do g g okay.
Get good.
You got to get good. And I get it.
You got to get good.
But I really appreciate the type of buttonmapping logic.

(17:42):
And I also like thata lot of the games have gotten into.
Yeah, more of them.
And I also realize that it helps people.
Think copy games of a certain style.
We were like, okay, well,if I played like Fortnite, then I can play
Marvel Rivals because some of thebasic buttons are the same.
But it
also helps your customer customer basebecause you've gotten good at one thing.

(18:04):
They spent 1000 hours or harbor minion.
I mean,
one game, then you want them to be able tothen pour that into the next game.
That's where you startgetting into things called like,
so like the Dark Soulsseries is like huge.
And so you start to get thingsthat are called souls likes
because it has basicallythe same mechanics,

(18:25):
like down to like,you know, going to some place
that is thematically importantto the world, that allows you
to reset the world, level upand become a checkpoint.
So like, you know, some gamesit's a bonfire or some games it's
a shrine, some games it's this or that,but it's it's all the same thing
because Dark Souls did it firstand they did it best.

(18:47):
it's I, I loveI've named this and I know we,
we clearly we're talkative today I'mtalking today I want speak for tomorrow.
I'm name this. But I love rituals.
I love the ways that humans get togetherand create these understood,
sometimes explicit, sometimes implicit,like patterns of behavior.

(19:08):
If I do these things in this order,you know what I mean?
And that's ultimatelylike what a ritual is. Yeah.
And I think sometimes people thinkthat like, rituals have to be, imbued
kind of by faith or, or by whatever,where it's like I have
some type of spiritualsomething has to come down to me and say,
this is what the ritual is.
Yeah.
No, we we as humans build ritualsall the time and

(19:30):
and really the ritualis kind of regardless of what you believe.
Like almost always, rituals are aboutsignaling to the people around you.
This is my belief.Or this is what I'm about to do,
or this is what I want you to do with me,right? Yeah.
If you view a ritual, it's like, okay, I'mdoing these things in this order.
It's almost in some ways,like rituals are in
some ways like telephone numbersin the sense of like by dialing

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these numbers,I want to talk to this person.
That is super real.
Right.
And so video games, have are just because they are a community
where people are collectively behavingin this way, you also get the rituals of
this is how we behave,this is what these buttons mean.
Like if I pick up a controller,

(20:12):
if I've been playing video games,
there are some things I understandabout how it's supposed to work.
Yeah, right.
Kind of regardless of system. Right.
And it's how and you know, after,you know, 30, 40
years of video games or whatever the likecommon number is, it's why some games
now don't have intro levels or you'rejust you just work, you just
you turn the game onand you are a person in a space.

(20:34):
Yeah. Right.
And you get rules in there.Understand rules.
But like a lot of games now are just like,yeah, you're a being in a space.
So many games you start, you wake upand I love a game where you wake up
and you kind of are figuring outwhat these things are with the person.
Yeah, I do think a good introgame is an intro level can be fun.
It's like,oh, this is how we figure it out together.

(20:55):
This is how we learn, how we howwe build the ritual of the space.
I do love me a good tutorial.
Yeah, I done well.
Better tools are the worst things.
Oh my god, bad tutorials, little work.
They feel like they take forever, right?
But I love a good tutorialwhere it's like, okay, we start,
we're going to introduce like this.
You know, loot boxes are this colorAnd so the first time

(21:18):
I was like the giver, frankly,the first time
you see that color out in the worldwithout all the written, now
you're like, there might be loot,but that's not the loot box.
It's the right color,but it's not the right shape.
Now you're now you gotta get into it.
And now you're now you're in it.
Now you.
Now you're in it. Space.Welcome to gaming.
This is this is gaming 101 right there.

(21:40):
This is.That's a whole nother conversation. Yeah.
But I just so I appreciatethank you all for traveling with me
on the video game tangent.
But, I'm I really loved Assassin's CreedSyndicate.
It's just such a good space.
And it and it used a lot of those normsin a really great way.
And it allowed you to be explicitabout your play style.
My last story on that is like when, my male partner and I first started

(22:02):
dating or early in our relationship,and I think it was first started,
but we played Assassin's Creedand we would just switch.
I was definitely more EV.
Yes. Our playstyles,aligned with the gender roles.
But that was justbecause I like the sneaky, stealthy thing.
He likes to just go in and hit hit thingswith brass knuckles, right?

(22:22):
Yeah.
And then he allowed us to spendreally great time together
because we could switch our playstyles
and progress the game together.
And then sometimes, you know, he'd havea controller and he'd be Jacob and go in
and smash and grab, and I would be heavyand we'd see the suggestions.
But it was greatbecause it created, like minions

(22:43):
to practiceour individual styles in partnership.
Yeah. And it was super fun. I love that.
With that,we're going to shift a little bit
into our regular countdown,our dynamic duo of dynamic duos countdown.
Right. And this is where it's date.
It is day eight.
And this is where we, you know,count the days until,

(23:04):
one or both of our favorite pairsof creative siblings will join us.
And those pairs are, Willow
and Jaden Smith and,Philly first shot and Debbie Allen.
I also want to take this momentto offer, deep
condolences, to, Doctor Vivian.
Heirs Allen, or to the family of DoctorVivian Allen, who recently passed away.

(23:26):
She is Phylicia Rashad.
She is PhyliciaRashad and Debbie Allen's,
mother, who just, passed,at the age of 102.
She's a poet.
Artist still around. Genius.
And, getting to see some of the videosfrom that, like beautiful celebration
of life.
And Felicia and Debbie, dancing

(23:46):
and and offering joy like she clearly,
created a legacy of of greatness and,
black brilliance,which, was just worth celebrating.
And so, would like to take 10s
and have a moment of silencefor for her and to honor, her legacy.

(24:16):
Thank you for your service.
And hopefully we'll get to talkto your daughters.
Doctor Allen.
On our podcast, this is dayeight of our dynamic duo of dynamic duos.
Beautiful.
So beautiful Oh, the silliness.
Biggest sheets.
Get ready for this ride, y'all.
Like, this is such a this is aboutto be ridiculous right after.

(24:40):
I'm so excited.
Deep respect and thoughtfulness.
Humility isthe second you've got to go, suckers.
Two. Cuckoo.
Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
Cuckoo. Glitter.Confetti. Confetti. Confetti.
Hey, Shawn Michaels pose, right?
Yeah, yeah.
If you look.
It's a lovely

(25:01):
money.
Good money.
Good.
Oh, my God, I'm so.
Yeah we're here.
Welcome to LeBron Edit right.
Welcome to the main moment.
Now is the time for the main moment.
The part of the showwhere we dig a little deeper.
Whether it's creativity, culture,chaos or care.

(25:23):
This is where we pull the threadand see what unravels.
So today'smain moment really is about like playing
in our success fantasy, right.
What do you do when your needs are met?
And you can, in fact, ball out of control?
I want to put a note in this.
This is a very importantpart of the creative process.
We do not allow ourselvesto play in the balling fantasy

(25:46):
where God's constantly working, canceling,constantly working.
We're constantly thinking aboutwhat's the next step, but what happens
when we when andand when we win big, win big.
And I want to I want to jump on thatbecause that's real in that
I think people get so stuckin the humility in quotes.

(26:06):
And I might,
we might stumble into my rantabout why I think humility is a problem.
We'll see.
I'm trying to avoid it, but we'll see.
You can talk about it.
I think humility is a problemthat we'll get we get into there.
Why is humility is like,but but I think a lot of times
you've probably heard me on the podcast
talk a lot about really practice abouthow do you practice who you want to be.

(26:27):
And I think people assume
assume that they're going to
be the type of personthey are broke when they get rich.
And I think that is a fallacy.
And I think this is somebodywho has not been rich.
I've watched enoughpeople get a little bit of power
or get, a little biteven the like the kind of promise

(26:49):
of the thing that they wantand completely sellout.
I have done the selling out rant.I won't repeat that.
But where they are like,oh, I might get this thing I want.
And because they never thought they wouldget it, they truly sell their soul
for,
for a little bit,for a portion of what is possible.

(27:10):
And I know, again, we do a drop outshout out, every time.
But this is actually what I thinkis really fascinating about Sam.
Right?
And about drop out in that this isa person who is and and I don't know him.
I recognizethis is like a parasocial relationship,
but this is my interpretationof the things I know and see, in that

(27:30):
by being raised by former, Secretary of Labor Robert Rice,
I think Sam Rice had two
just have,a really intentional relationship
with labor and money, like, it's expressed
when the person who is raising youis actually determining
how our policy works,how it's just it's just different.

(27:55):
You just think about, like,how labor and money actually
work with us as a government.
And I also say I subscribeto Robert Rice's email.
So he's also always in my inboxtalking to me
about the things I feel likein my parasocial relationship.
I, I see like I say, oh,I see how that guy made this other guy
and I were you also raisedby Secretary of Labor Robert Rice?

(28:17):
Are we all? Maybe.
But you see how that guymade this other guy?
Where you understand, likethere is a deep understanding
of how money and labor aidare like, relate.
And so that, I think, is whywhen Sam bought College Humor,
he was very intentional aboutthis is what our money is doing.

(28:37):
This is how the moneyI'm spending is working.
This is what the values of this money are.
And it's why,when he had to lay off a bunch of people
in the transitionfrom college, him to drop out
and, and all of that stuff,people still think to him when, when he.
Yeah, he got rid ofeverybody stopped because like, this is
why people did not in any wayfeel disposable

(28:59):
or discounted in their humanity,even when they lost their jobs.
And I think that is part of
because before he had all of it,not that he he wasn't broke,
but before he had the abilityto like, manage the means of production.
Before he was the boss, he had thoughtvery clearly about what being the boss

(29:19):
meant, about what his responsibilitywas in that level of success.
And so while we are going to be sillyin our conversation around it,
part of playing
in the fantasy of what you're going to dowhen everything, when you have
everything is really thinking aboutwho do you want to be
when you have the resources,because you could end up being.

(29:42):
Elon Musk,
100% right, who clearly hates himself,
even though he has all of them, actually,all of the money, actually
all of the money or,you know, my favorite person
to hate on because he's terrible,Tom Brady.
Right. Right.
Where again, you have all the resources.
The world is rooting for you,and you don't even know how to show up

(30:04):
to your integrity. You don't even knowwhat your integrity looks like.
And so ball under controlis about imagining or playing in this.
If that fan fantasy really is aboutwho will you be?
Who do you want to bewhen you have all of your resources
and you have everythingthat you think you want?
Last thing I'll say about that is a lot ofpeople are only good people

(30:26):
because they're too poorto be the terrible people they want to be.
Oh wow.
Yeah, yeah, I said it.
Whoa.
And I will stand on that.
Stand on many
gentle toes down.
No, because you start.
Oh when they because they can'tmake the choices they really want to make.

(30:50):
Because they can't, they can't afford to,
I know, abandon their families,go back into retirement.
Go go back out of retirement.
They can't afford to just start over,
in some ways, in ways that are hurtfulbecause they, you know, can't afford the
plastic surgery jet destroying all theall the things that they can't access to.

(31:11):
So they they pretend,or at least they are good people
because they don't have the opportunityto be the actual people.
They want to be.
That is an insane take, and I love it.
So good, so, so good.
I don't even know.All right, everybody, have a good night.

(31:34):
Oh, but
because I've seen I've just seen peoplewho get something to me
that even feel like enough money,you know, in this way.
Now you.
Right now you leave me, peasant. You,
you you got $100.
That's not enough money, does it?
Again?
I don't think there is really enoughmoney is.

(31:56):
I don't think there's a
there is no amount of moneyfor you to be a terrible person.
I don't think there'sa justifiable amount of money. Right.
I don't think there is an amount of money
that that's failedyou being a terrible person.
I don't, but I can also tell you thatif it's not $100,
a thousand, $1,000 is definitely notthat, right?
Like if there is an amount of moneythat it's not that terrible person.

(32:18):
I know that that's not the amount.
It's not that it's not enough.
It's not five figures, I'll tell you.
That is really not.
And I'm not saying that that's not lifechanging.
That's not life changing.
I'm just saying, but I am saying thatthat's not that's not that's not
changing money.
Right?
An entry level salary is not enough money.
No shame. An entry level salaries.

(32:40):
I'm not saying that's not enough money.That's not.
That's not it.
And I have seen peoplejust turn it to turn.
But no money.
At least we'll turn when
you think that's kind of not enough.
Money is not a complete heel turn.
And so yeah, it's like, oh, so you wantthis is who you want.

(33:03):
You want it to be trash anyway.
You wait.
You just couldn'tyou felt like you was too broke before.
I can't be both broke and trash.
I got to pick one.I got to pick one. What?
But what I really want to be. It's trash.
Yeah. You want to be trash?
Not. I'm not that broke.
You are.
I will be trash.
That's who's trash now.

(33:24):
Really?
And you're like, wow, that's the amount ofmoney you would choose trash for.
That's 50 cent. That's.
Then you've wanted that.
This is the choiceyou wanted to make anyway. Good for you.
You know. You know what?
I lovewhen people get to fulfill their dreams.
And this just isn'thow my dreams are set up.
But you got it.But that's how your dreams set up.

(33:45):
Good for you. Oh, my God,we haven't even gotten into.
We haven't even asked the questions yet.
Oh, I can't stand us.
Ridiculous.
So. Yes, Ballocks rolled around you.
You want to go crazy? Woke me.
I have, I have some questions.
Great.
My first question is definitely more of,like, a metaphysical question.

(34:10):
Let's get this metaphysicalquestion out of the way.
Delaney?
Delaney is, I we're so stupid.
I'm so smart.
How much of your fantasy
success is about things versus freedom?

(34:30):
Ooh, that's a great question.
Truthfully,I think almost all of my fantasies,
I think, likethe things are about freedom.
So the time, choices, space like, I.
Yeah, even when I get into the things,I'm like, you know, be great.
Like, I want to have a sewing room
or I want to have like a dance studioor whatever.

(34:53):
And I turn, I had a different conversationabout this, but like, I
I like being placesI don't like going to. Places.
It's the transition.
It's the travel.
I don't like it into so many ofmy fantasies are like having a big house
or a compound whereall of the things that I like to do
are, like, near, like I want to have,
like a movie theater or,

(35:15):
I want to have a fully decked out,like sewing room where craft space
I want to have like the dance studioor gym or whatever,
where like all the things I needare like in the compound.
And as much as like, it's actually noteven about having the flex of the stuff,
as much of it is about having the spaceto do the things I like to do.

(35:36):
So, you know, that's where it feels likemore freedom around time and choices,
whereI don't want to have to travel or pack
or break down the spaceto do the types of activities I enjoy.
Or at least I can minimize that.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think about the thingsthat are like the flex, the okay,
but I will say the thing, the one thingthat I think would be the flex flex

(35:59):
is where it's just like the thing I wantbecause it's expensive.
It's one of those, fancy.
It's the Wolfe Viking rangesfor like $40,000 stoves or.
Yeah. And, yeah.
And I could be wrongabout what they're called, but, like.
No, I know thosethose stoves are really dope, right?

(36:20):
Right. Like, yeah, the.
But yeah, the giant with like,something like 80 burner.
Yeah.
Here's whatever. Here's 212 burners.
Right.
Oh it's and I'm confusingthere's Wolfe and Viking but the but just
I would get the flex would be
the thing I want in that would be
you know, a stove that costslike some small country's

(36:44):
gross national product,you know, like, I want that I.
How is your, your stove cost?
About half of Papua New Guinea.
Yeah.
Hey like that's give or take, right.
Give or take.
So yeah, that that is the thing I want.
But almost all of my other fantasiesand even that's I actually about just,

(37:06):
I love cooking, but I think it's likeliking the time and energy of just happy.
But I would be like like, that's the typeof thing that I would probably like.
Laminate the price tag on.
There would be like, yeah,this is definitely like an art exhibit.
Yeah, it's got a little title card.
Was but
but yeah, it's my, my,my kind of banana control fantasies

(37:29):
really are about the freedom and time
to make the types of choicesand make the things that I want to make.
How about you, bro?
I, I 100% agree with you.
I think like 90% of the things that I wantare the freedom, time and space
of of success and like of balling
out of control, of being able to be like,no, I've got this dope gaming room.
I have like a dandy roomthat's just for tabletops.

(37:52):
I have like, you know, my gym,
I have my exclusive movie theaterthat has like two seats, like it's not.
And not everybody going to bein this movie theater.
This is my movie theater.
Look, I'm like, but like, now we got.
Let's just get the people in the housewhen you six. Yeah.
When you gotta haveat least the ten seats.
I probably had 20ft. Theater.

(38:14):
That's probably what I would want withwith my own Icee,
machine and whatever
the Alamo is serving at the time, it'sjust I just.
We just get the same menu.
We do all that.
But the thing that I really the success
that like freedom in time and space for me

(38:35):
is giving that to other peoplebecause like, my balling
out of control is being like,what are you doing this weekend?
Do you want to go to Milan?
Do you have a suitcase? Doesn't matter,
doesn't matter.
There's a car outside waiting for you.
There might be the, the TikTok creator,whose name I can't remember.
I'm so sorry.
But the one who's like your rich friend.

(38:57):
Oh, I love that dude. That's my dude, man.
You're your friend, and you're like,
if I paid you $100,000,could you just test drive?
Cars should be all over the world, right?
Well, whatever he says, he just, like,got the one where he.
I think the first one I saw was
where he just got out of a break up,and he was like, you know,
can you just, like, go on vacation with meso we can get over it?
He's like,he's like, I can't, I have to work.

(39:19):
Oh, that's a for sure thing.
That's like a movie.
Sure. And that's the for sure thing.
He's like, yeah.
He's like, well,how much do you make in like a year?
It's like. And he said like 50 hoursI think.
So if I just gave you that,would you come with me.
Yeah.
He said, oh let me think about it. Yes.
Okay.But I also like you're a good friend.

(39:40):
I, I know that's not
we're gonna talk about itbut talk about honestly
you think now I'm not quiteI'm not quite the good friend you.
I'm going we're going to do this, butwe're we're gonna talk about where we go.
You know whatI, what I love about this skit
and what it doesand how I feel about it for me is that
I still recognize that your job,you might like your job.

(40:01):
So asking you if that's a for sure
thing is not a dig on you having a job.
It's respecting the boundarythat you're like, no,
but I really like, you know,I want to go to work tomorrow.
Okay, cool.
Right.
There's like a for sure thing,but that's like a for sure thing.
So if I gave and he asks
and I appreciate it doesn't feel likebeing taken advantage of but but I do.
But I see that in you.

(40:21):
It's just like, all right
if I got it, who if I eat, who can I feed,who can I feed?
And I'm trying to feed as many peopleas I can.
Right.
I'm trying to feedas many people as I can.
And that's from, you know, acquaintancesthat I may have hung out
with once, that I enjoyed their company,too, like lifelong friends.
This is also

(40:41):
this is the disclaimer where, like,I want to talk about big sister energy
like her own, is far more generousin a lot of ways than I am.
I'm not saying I'mnot generous, but funny.
Stingy as hell.
I am decidedlygenerous, but I definitely like don't.
When Tyrone is balling out of control.
You're going to have to get through me.
Don't come in here.
Don't come in here hearing, oh, he justwants to help everybody because he does.

(41:05):
But you're going to have to you dog.
There'ssome deep vetting is going to happen.
May not be on his rolebut that's definitely on my mind.
So like you know yeahif you make it past her I'm I'm we cool.
Right.
But and I'm you know whateverkind of whatever
Courtney says goes no,
I want to be like, I'm going to do that,and I'm going to look at you.
You're going to give me the,

(41:26):
you know, the Montgomery like Montgomery,and not just right.
Yeah,
man. Fruit playing in the background.
Right.And then you get a plus five on this.
And then I get a box.
I'm on all my checks now. No.
But for real it is. Yeah.
All that generosity.It's going to be great.
And rememberthat we're we're going to believe it.
But I you know, I'mjust saying the vetting process.

(41:48):
Well you got to figure it out.You got to go through her.
But you get through her.
You find that right? Fine. That's it.
I ain't no problem.
But yeah, I do.
I have a thing that I want, though.
My thing is like games,like I would just want.
Like, I would just want all the new gamesimmediately.
That would be the thing, you know?
I'd be like, oh, we're just goingto preorder this and this and this.

(42:10):
My computer would be bananas.
I kind of like now I have this imageof like somatic PlayStation.
It's like, oh, well,this is my fantasy PlayStation.
Oh, 100%. Let's go 100%.
This is the first personshooter PlayStation.
I don't even play first person shooters,but that's where they're all these are
all right right here.
This is strictly my Final Fantasy one.
This is just awful. It'sjust nothing but Final Fantasy.

(42:32):
Final Fantasylike these are the coded PlayStations.
That would be great.
Yeah, that would just line my wall.
Right. Organized by.
Organized by, genre.
Yeah.
And black whatever system came out,I would just buy new systems.
Just with no just immediate.
This one's out. Great.
Give me two of them.
Yeah, that would be my thing.I would just have.
I would have the things that I want,really.

(42:55):
So other people could access the.
I want to bring friends.
I want to hang out.
Yeah, yeah.
Hosting parties, doing all thatand having a space where I,
where people could feel comfortable,where they'd be like, you know, even with,
you know, let's say we have a, we have aplace that exists that is just like,
you know, like a crash spotor it's just like, I'm tired.

(43:18):
I don't want to take the train home. Cool.
Here's the passcode.
Right.
George is working the front desk today.
Tip $5.
You get you you get your extraslice of pizza when you order.
Oh, there you go.
You can put my man on the street, right?
Yeah.
Having, like, having that level of ease,having the things where you get to just
do what you want when you want it,

(43:39):
which is both like peak fantasyand also just, like, very practical.
Yeah. So good.
This is a great question with thatand the opposite of yeah energy.
What is the pettiest purchase or flex.
You would 100%.You're like yourself once the money hit.
I would probably buy Fashion Square Mall.
That's hilarious.

(43:59):
Yes that's SagnaI would buy a fashion square ball.
I figured something out with it,but I would 100%.
I 100% buy it.
Why is it petty?
Just, I've been fired from a couple jobsin the mall.
Yeah, it's real.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I've been firedfrom when he got fired from Sears.
Also. Bullshit.

(44:20):
But that's a totally different story.
That's a side of his story.
But I would but I would take the section
where Sears is,and that would just be my office
the entire entire Searssection would just be my office.
I love that that's so, that's awesome.
What else? What's another petty thing I

(44:41):
My pettythings also related to space fire.
Okay. Well done.
Yeah.
Which is I would be it's,you know, there's a nonprofit I work for.
It was not a great space.
They've done great things, but just likeI was the wrong fit, it was a with me.
And, This person who ran it just didn't.
Our personality two very different in waysthat were helpful. So.

(45:03):
And I mean,I think I understand why he got fired.
It wasn't on some bullshit.
The working environmentwas on some bullshit.
The reason I got fired was not,
However, comma, I definitely would create
like, significant,but small, like recurring donations.
So they would just have to see if I wantedto be like, it would be like if I had it

(45:23):
and everything else was made, like, again,this was I want because I don't want to
I don't necessarilylike the idea of funding my haters.
I don't really love it.
So I want to make surethat everything else was there.
And but it would be something like $1,000
monthly donation to this nonprofitwhere they'd have to acknowledge it, like

(45:43):
it upwith a handwritten note or phone call,
where it's enoughto be there a a regular donor
not so big that it's likeit shows that I fully support, but enough
to where they'd have to just consistentlybe reminded of me as offering support.
That's some solid, petty right there.
That would be itwhere it's like, great, you could refute

(46:05):
and you could refuse the moneywhatever you want, but you also have to be
you have to treat me a little.
You have to treat me like youdon't like it like a significant donor.
You got to watch it.
Guess who's coming to the gala, right?
Right. Absolutely.
I want all the benefits.I want to be there.
I want you to have to reserve the ticketsfor me. Right?
Just whether I show up or not,that's not the point.
That's not. I can't say any of that.

(46:26):
That's.
You know, you could be awesome.
50 cent I would like to reserve 12 tablesand and pay for them.
You're not gonna leave?
I'm not a single personwho's going to be there.
Absolutely not.
Or it's going to be a bunch of peoplewho you don't want.
It's going to be nice.
Great.
Yeah,that would probably be like my pettiest.
My pettiest like.

(46:47):
Yeah, engaged would be,
but you know, even that is still giving.
Yeah, I probably turn them allinto like a soundstage.
Oh, yeah.
Or I've seenthere's some really great places.
I think Baltimore had a place like thisand I can't remember what it was,
but turning the spaces into,
artist workshops, I, I would love to makesome type of makerspace or.

(47:10):
Oh, yeah,come in and like, here's a woodshop
and here's a ceramic studioand a place that's just falling.
That's just great.
It's huge.
Yes, that mall is big until you turning itinto a creative space where like,
yes, there would be stories, butthey would ideally be kind of artisanal.
Yeah. Local store premium.
Premium. Right.

(47:30):
Or you know, some type of farmer's market,
like really turning itinto like a creative, generative space.
Yeah. That would be really fun.
I love our petit is still,
you know, contributing to thethe wonderful ness of society.
Right. It's like,I still want positive things to happen.
I just want peoplewho have not been nice to me
to have to be nice to me,because I'm paying for that

(47:53):
love.
Like,I don't even think about it that hard.
But like, that's like,that would be where my petit goes.
Yeah, I don't want to again,to talk about our values or,
and I would say my values.
I'm sure you share them,but you get to speak for you.
But I don't want toif if money is a resource,
I actually don't have a lot of thoughtsabout money.
You've heard metalk about them over a bunch of episodes.
But money is a resource.
And so there is magic, an intention there,like where you want to put it right,

(48:18):
like who you give money to in this space.
Does have.
I want to say it's always a moral choicebecause it's not.
There are a lot of waysin which it can't be,
but it it when you have extrawho you're choosing to feed
is an investment in in thethat person choices.
Right.
And I find it hard to take toto have money particularly

(48:41):
and I don't have that much,
but I find it hard toif I did have a bunch of money to
then want to put it into that typeof negativity, to like investment
invested in that negativity.
And maybe this is also connectedto my like
feeling around rituals,Where I feel like the behavior,
the repetition of the behavioror like gives power to the thing.

(49:01):
Right.
And so if I continue to spend moneyon nonsense, on things that I don't like
or on things that I don't appreciate,I am in fact, investing
and making those things more powerful.
That's.
Yeah. No, I really I'm with you on that.
And so I don't, you know, a I'm notI wouldn't spend a whole bunch of money
on penny things.I can can't promise it wouldn't be none.

(49:23):
The number wouldn't be zero.
The number is not going to be zeronow, right.
It's like it'd be it'd be very honest.
I would be really clear, though,that there's not going to be zero.
But it it probably
it won't be a large majorityof what I give.
Like if I'm going to give $1,000 a monthin that petty space,

(49:44):
then the things I actually like,or to get between 2 and $5000 a month.
And those and the things I likeare going to get the money first.
And it seems like,okay, have I supported the orgs
that I really want to give to haveI said the things I want to give it to.
And then after I do that,if there's if there's a window,
then that petty check is going out there.You know what I'm saying? Like,

(50:05):
the hierarchy
of positivity is really importantwhen it comes to this.
Like modeling fantasy, at least for me,like obviously for you as well.
But there is a moment where it's like,what are the things that I want to
succeed?
Where are the things that I likewould like to succeed?

(50:26):
But like,I could like, but I want to help.
And what are the things where I'm like,okay, this did it succeed?
How like, you know,how would I feel about it?
And then there's the like,no, I kind of want I want this to succeed.
So they have to acknowledge me
on some Roman Reigns acknowledge me.
Right? Right.
Yeah.
And it's like,and that's the hierarchy because I don't,

(50:47):
I don't maybe it is meI the stories where somebody is like the
their first million went to paythe haters.
I'm like absolutely not the first fivenot going to the haters not no
the haters don't care that you are goingto come up of my success first.
You might you might get to come up again.
I'm not the devil's not zero.
My petty dollar.
The petty budget is not going to be none.

(51:08):
And that might be, you know,
I might produce your album or something,you know, you never know.
But the people like the people who I love,
the people who I'm there for,the things I want to happen.
They're going to they get the first money,and then we get into it.
When we get into the petty stuff,that's how you
that's how you know,the money is long and stupid.

(51:29):
When I start paying for dumb stuff,they know that it is.
There's is actually a major donorto the time for you stadium.
Real, right? The second.
The second you see that shit, I'm like,oh damn, you got hella bread
hit the second
you see the hater, but you guys hella bread because I'm spending

(51:51):
now I'm spending off the interest,off the interest, you know what I mean?
Like I it off to
off the extra extra. Yeah, yeah.
What I got in my pocket right now. Right.
This is it. This is.
What's that like.
That is amazing.
Okay, Corey, here's a question for you.
What's a version of ball in your ten year

(52:12):
old self would have wanted versuswhat you're grown self would have wanted?
Let me ask with you.
With me did because at the same person.
Right.I'm like they are not that different.
You're not that different.
Because I was having probablylike less candy in the grown version.
And I'm like,that's actually probably not true.
It's probably not.
No credit that Starburst

(52:33):
dispenser now isn't there just,
Yeah, it's that there's probably moremassages in the grown version now.
There's just aches.
Give me give me some type of.
There's more.
There's definitely more body maintenancein the grown version
versus the ten year old version. Like.
But but ten year old like is extrovert.
Raised by extroverts is.

(52:55):
It's always so like what is the wayto get the most people around me, right.
And so like it's it's like the havethe parties to do the thing.
So you know,ten year old me would have been like me,
like having like a giant three daybirthday party in the McDonald's
or whatever, you know, like,like the thing is the same,
but now it would be a weeklong birthday party

(53:16):
where we take over Caesars Palace,you know what I'm saying?
Like that type of thing.
Yes. But like us arealso we're doing that.
Yeah, but those are in essencethe same drink they are just ten year old.
Doesn't understand
why anybody would go to Caesars Palacewhen McDonald's is like, right there
and there's a whole play place,you know what I'm saying?
Like, that's what we do. But she's palace.

(53:37):
It's just play place for grown upswith substance abuse problems.
And like
in maybe a gambling addiction,maybe a gambling addiction.
Right.
But like it's so it'sit is actually it's a great question.
I like this for a variety of reasonsbecause it really shows it like I am
nothing if not consistent, like the thingsI want are actually very similar.

(54:00):
And I'm like very proud of the factthat 41 year old me is is definitely
just a bigger, fullerten year old me like,
as opposed to feelinglike I don't know who that person is.
I mean, I don't, you know,I haven't been 10 in 31 years.
But I still I can
deeply tap into the need to just like,what is the way we can celebrate?
What is the way the things I like to do?

(54:22):
I love you can't.
You wouldn't necessarily know itto look at me, but I do love to dress up.
But I particularly, I like to be seenin the dressed up things.
So like what is the like dance party
that we can be fancy inthat has good food and everybody.
I love playing and when we get this money,
your 50th is about to be bananas, y'all.

(54:46):
The 50th is about to be bananas.
I'm so ready and so ready.
99 years to plan it. I might start now.
I'm rubbing my knees.
Just been like, oh, you died. Oh, yeah.
Where are we going? To dance. And we're.
And like that it's going to be.
And so it's it's. Yeah.
The ten year old ten year old ball in mewanted a party.

(55:09):
41 year old me always wants a party.
Yeah.Like somebody who's not had a wedding.
But it's always planned my weddingwith the wedding.
The details I hadwere actually always about the party.
It's like these are the songs.This is How We Gonna Dance After.
And it was really freeing for me onceI, you know,
I have my long term partnersdeeply in love, have, great partnerships.

(55:30):
Just no weddings.
But when I realizedI could just have the party
without the wedding,I was like, oh, you can do that.
You can just do that.
You can just have a party. Yeah. Oh, wait.
Now it's on and
and frankly, the wedding partyyou have to share with the partner

(55:50):
and their family, but when it's justyour party, it's for you.
For those of you who are only listeningto us, the face curtain you made
so good,I just realized, like, wait a second.
It was just both like disgust.

(56:11):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you have to.
You have to let other, other peoplehave to be involved in the planning.
You have to take care of their needs,and that's fine. But.
But when you don't have to,but when you don't have to do that,
you get a part that's just about youand for what you want,
and you can invite them even wantingif they can't make it again.
I don't hold anybody against it.
I'm just saying it's going to be It'sgoing to be great.

(56:32):
And so yes,so ten year old me wanted party 41.
Who wants party 50 year old me?
It's going to be a party.
It's just the answer will always bewhat's the best party?
I hope you heard the intro.
Is there a party about it?
Is there a party? Right?
Oh yes. That was our original.
Is our original the original?
Is there going to be a party about it?

(56:52):
Is there a party about it?
Is it going to be party about it?Can we have a party?
We have a party about it.
What's the timewe get to have a party about it?
Oh, yeah.
How about you? Yeah.
The version ten yearold version of me is absolutely it.
It's it's probably just got more candy.
For me, I it's got more candy in it.

(57:16):
Less alcohol.
Okay. Yeah.
To be honest with you, you know,there's might be some type of substance
that, when it gets lit on fire,may do some things that
that might be there more.
And it would be the best.
But honestly, ten year old me is lit,and I and I want to be really clear about

(57:40):
right now, ten year old me is absolutelyballing out of control in this moment.
I am fulfilling a dreamliving in New York.
Hang out with Courtney
all the time like this is ten yearold me's balling I control moment.
Yeah, making art, seeing things,seeing things, doing stuff.
He ten year oldI mean I understood the concept of money
but like ten year old meballing would have been like,

(58:00):
as Courtney put,you know, party in McDonald's.
My would have probably been like partyRed lobster first.
And then we go to GameStop
and then we just party again.
Stop the restaurant today.
For yeah, for like a weekend.
But now it is definitely like,you know, we we party for a week and,
you know, Jamaica or on a cruise.

(58:24):
You know, good old all expensespaid cruise with everybody there.
And we kick it and bowling for me,a bowling for me is just surrounded
by the people that I.That I want to be surrounded with. And.
And all my suits are tailor made.
I mean, I do like a,I do like a good tailor made to, Yeah.
That's that's it. Yeah. That's.
Yeah. Those,those two are one in the city.

(58:47):
It absolutely.
I'm gonna call them audible and like,let's we talked a little bit about it,
but I want us to talk actuallyabout humility.
Okay.
You know, because we talked about thisand we, we want our success to be
to really being about, like,supporting the people around us.
But we bothI think there's an opportunity here
since we both feellike humility is overrated.

(59:09):
Yeah. To, like, talk about thatexplicitly.
Let's talk about, like,
why you think humility is overrated
in the success story and, like, whywe even feel the pressure to stay humble.
I think humility is overrated
because it forces youto put your success in a box.

(59:30):
And it's like, oh, you should stay humble.
You should, you know, chill.
Like, no, man,I worked really fucking hard for this.
And like,I want to be able to express my joy
and in happiness and elationtowards my success.
You know, Snoop said it, man.

(59:51):
I want to thank me.
Like.
Like y'all weren't in the gym.
Like we we've doneall the things we've done all the work.
And you want me to be like, well,you know.
You know, it's all again.
Universe.
God, Allah, whoeveryou call upon it is it is them as well.
But also you got to put in the work.

(01:00:12):
You can't just pray and chilllike you got to put in the works.
And you haveyou have to give yourself the credit.
And I'm not saying to not be arrogant.
Don't be like insulting youto have a lawyer.
But like or in the sense of like prideful
like and and being pridefulin the way that it is

(01:00:34):
negativeand, destructive to those around you.
I'm saying that when you winand you get that gold medal,
don't immediately be like, well,everybody else tried hard me like, no,
I think we did it like, yeah,we like we put in the effort,
we put in the time, we put the money,we blood, sweat and tears and it's.

(01:00:56):
And it paid off.
And so now y'all gonna see this.
No I mean I feelI feel that in a lot of ways.
I also frequently feel like humility.
People's demands for humilityare kind of inherently racist.
I was going to I was goingto keep that part out of it for me.
But I also I also think humilityis a very European, Eurocentric,

(01:01:19):
concept.
Yeah. It feels very.
Yeah, we're the idea is itfeels like we're the idea is that, like,
you can't be good until I say you're good.
And I'm like, wait, who are you to.
Who do I who are you?
Because to go back to whatI said earlier,
I think people look for reasonsto mistreat other people.

(01:01:41):
Right.
And so sometimes, like, I'm not saying,
you need to be
so into what you're doing thatyou didn't think you can mistreat people?
I don't think there's ever.
As we said earlier,I don't know if there's ever a limit
where that is the case.
But I don't think humility,the act of saying that I don't know

(01:02:01):
if I deserve to be here or saying, well,you know, acting like you didn't
put in the work or acting like
you don't want to be in chargeor don't want to have the power.
Don't you know, I did all this work?I do, I would like this thing.
I want to be acknowledgedfor doing the thing.
I want to be the boss. I want to be.
I want to be the master of my domainin this sense of like holding,
I want to I want to have the moneyto be able to show the thing and

(01:02:25):
and be able to make decisions,have that autonomy, have that freedom.
And I worked to get that.
So this is the thing I wanted,
as opposed to being like,you know, I just kept my head down
and I got here, I did I kept my head down,and I worked hard to get here.
Right.
And I also recognized that it's likethe inverse isn't necessarily true.

(01:02:45):
The idea of that, like, because I havethis power, then I deserve to be here.
I don't necessarily believe thatbecause there are some people
who just stumbled their way up to the topand it's like, not you didn't,
you don't earn it.
You know, you still catch and chase.
You mean. Right?
But that doesn't mean that, like,

(01:03:07):
you can't get to the topor get to the space that you want to go,
or get to the space for your bankrolland be like,
no, I just don't know how I got here.
It's like, no, I worked really hard.
I worked for very specific decisions.
I had a lot of support, which is whyI want to bring that support with me.
This is why I want to take care of it.
But I did know this getting herewas the goal.
Getting here was was what I needed.

(01:03:28):
And I just feel like so, so many timeshumility, particularly
as a black woman, is this like, actlike you're not as good as you are.
And I'm like, but I but I know though,but what I am though,
and I can be goodwithout being perfect saying, okay,
well you didn't make like I'm never sayingI've never made a mistake.
We, I started this thingby talking about somebody

(01:03:49):
who fired me like, I've made it like I'mnot and I'm not perfect.
But like, perfectionis not a requirement for success.
I think I don't have to have never madea mistake
to not deserve success,to not get to balling out of control.
I think a ton of people believethat perfection is a portion of success.

(01:04:11):
Like it's alike a stepping stones. It says.
what's really funny to meis that a lot of people who I follow, who
are, conventionally successful, you know,lots of money, lots of followers,
you know, multi-million corporations,however, they feel they are always like,
no, mistakes are the pathway,mistakes are the those are the stones.

(01:04:31):
That's the concretethat paves the road like that's.
You need those. Yeah.
Because you got it.Because that's how you learn.
That's how you you solve for the mistakeand then you get better.
And then you learn how to think.
You're like, okay,I actually see that mistake coming.
I'm not going to make that one.
I'm gonna make whole new it, make you makea whole new bunch of new ones.
Right?
But I'm going to keep tryingand we keep going.

(01:04:52):
And so, yeah, so humility, the idea of,like, holy night isn't to keep you humble.
No, you don't.
I think you don't need to give me nothing.
Right? You don't need to keep me going.You keep me nothing.
Keep me in your prayers.
Okay.
Keep me at a distance.
Don't keep me humble.
Like that's not you.Humbling me is not your job.
I think the the people who to me,

(01:05:17):
stand as, like,the antithesis of humility are rappers
because I think they are all everybodybelieves.
No, I am the best,regardless of what you say.
But there is a line that has.
Once I heard it, completely changedwho I was
as like a creative and entrepreneurand is from Childish Gambino who I love,
but from his song I'mAll Right off his, cul de sac mixtape.

(01:05:41):
Anybody ever listens to it.
But the line is, and my friends comeand ask me if it's worth it.
I tell them that it better be.
I did this shit on purpose. It's.
And it's completely changedwho I was as a person.
When I heard it in college.
I was like, oh yes, of course, yes.
No, I'm doing this because because it'sI know it's worth it.

(01:06:02):
I'm doing all of this on purpose.
Absolutely.
And like,
I think because I think it's a differenceI really want I really like that too.
I think there'sa difference between being,
what I say.
I don't want to be so pridefulthat you're, coachable.
Always be always be coachable.
Right. Like you can.

(01:06:22):
And so I think there issomething to be said for like you
mentioned LeBron earlier, but it's likenot everybody can coach LeBron now.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah.
And I think people go into thistalking about wanting to be
wanting to humble peopleor saying that you need to have humility.
Absolutely.

(01:06:43):
I believe that you can be coachable, but
they get real presumptuous about whetheror not you're good enough to coach me.
Yeah, yeah.
They you know, they likethey're like, well, you should just well,
I'm going to keep you humble.I, you know, you're not.
Yeah.
I don't take coaching from you
because you're not operating at the levelI'm operating.
So my refusal to take your coachingthat I didn't ask for

(01:07:09):
it to
to be humbled by you is, in fact,not a lack of humility.
It is acknowledging.
Yeah, we are not on the same level,not in the same place.
That's like metrying to walk up to Serena and be like,
this is where I think you go.
If you twist your hips to the left, right.
I don't spin.
If I do mayo, do it hell on my face.

(01:07:31):
No, I played I played tennis for a summerin high school, and it feels like
I should.
I feels like if you just say if you juststepped in with your left, right.
She didn't have she.
She's not humble.
No, no, that's not how this works.
Yeah.
And I just frequently so many,so many people offer you coaching,

(01:07:52):
offer you advice.
They're like giving you stories.And it's like.
But you're not operatingin the way that I'm operating.
So I don't. Know. Thank you.
This also goes back to the episodewhere we talked about success,
where it's like you're not even livingthe life of success that I want.
So I'm not listening.
You talking about being humble?
I'm not even listening to you right now.

(01:08:14):
You'retalking about being humble, corporate.
Not any of it. Nope.
you're not, you're not.
You're giving me all of thisinformation. One.
You just talking just to talk likeI'm not paying attention to you right now.
But also the the idea that, like,
my success, the thing that always gets meis that my success

(01:08:34):
causes your insecurity to feel likeyou need to put me in a box.
Now. on some like,like to go back to the video game thing,
get good like you're good.
Like that'sif you're mad about it, get bad, get good,
become become collaboration,not competition.
And then we both get we both win.

(01:08:55):
There isthey are literally printing money.
There is we there is enough moneyout here for everybody.
And if you are in here upset
because somebody figured out the source
and you're like, well,you know, I knew him when he had no money.
So he just the same, okay, if that'show you feel, that's how you feel.

(01:09:18):
But I'm not going to sit here and take itto heart because you're not here.
You're not with me.
You're not even at the table with us.
And then be mad when you eat,when you get it, when I, you know,
we try to get at the tableand you can't come in.
And what you now going to do is insult meand then eat at my table,
because that's not how that's, that'sthat's such a shit.

(01:09:38):
Right?
Got it.
You talking bad about meand you want to eat off me?
I don't know, you know,because that that I that.
But very funny now.
Okay.
Oh, oh I think with that, that feels likean excellent, excellent moment.

(01:10:01):
Hit me on now we're going to.
But we are going to keep the party going.
We're going to keep the silliness goingwith, sibling superlatives.
Baller edition,
because we
like of course, we have to see who,of course, do something ridiculous.
Of course.

(01:10:21):
As we talk about ball,I'm out of control.
So in superlativesor is we're talking about which of us
is the most likely to do or be something.
And again, in the traditionwe're talking about ridiculous things,
spending all our money.
Yes. The first edition, the first question is,
which of us is most likelyto buy a ridiculous car that can't drive

(01:10:43):
me, me me me me me?
I probably I'mgoing to go with Chiron, but
I am probably more likely to buya ridiculous car that I won't drive.
I would get a car and driver.
Now that is far out of control, right?
Like, could I drive it? Maybe.
I won't know though,because I'm going to spend money on.

(01:11:03):
Here's the service I'm goingto buy, the Bentley I'm going to hear.
And I have a oh,we're talking about real cars.
Absolutely.
No. I was like,oh, I'm going to buy the Batmobile.
But I absolutely see that thatwhat are you driving?
Oh, I this is the Mach five, right? Right.
And that's it.
And I'm surethere's some type of luxury service

(01:11:24):
if there isn't a luxury servicelike this, there should be where you like.
You pay like a monthly.
Whatever you get,you can either give it your car
and they wash it and do the maintenanceand call your driver.
And it's like 45 minutes from leavingwherever you are,
kind of like Uber, but it's your carand your driver who you keep on retainer.
And so it could be maybe is the Mark five.
Maybe it is the instance.

(01:11:45):
This is the production grade Delorean,right?
Yes. This is it.
You know.
And like I,I want to name one of the things
that is always tripped me upabout the idea of having employees.
I'm just like, but when do theywhen are they off work?
Like,I need to understand the logistics of
like when do they get to go spend timewith their families?
Because the thing I don't want,
I know every movie has the likeyour chauffeur becomes your friend

(01:12:08):
and part of the family. I was like, no,but they have their whole family.
This is where they also havefriends and family.
Yeah, they're friends and family.
Like like the idea of living at workis is a nightmare.
And so every time I see these things,I'm just like, no, this is a horror movie.
It's one of the reasons why I actuallyhaven't quite watched Downton Abbey,
although I do like the Gilded Age,but I'm just sitting there.
I was like, but these people live at work.They don't get to go.

(01:12:29):
That feels.
It's just me out.
When do they get to not be at work?And I understand labor lot.
There's a whole variety of thingsthat I don't like.
It didn't work out, but it drives me nuts.
So I would not want,I would love to have a driver,
but I would need to figure outwhat is the contract around.
Like how they know they're not at work.
And when we schedule like I would need,I would have to be very ethical.

(01:12:53):
I don't know, Marvinonly drives on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
Yeah, right.
I'd have to know what the whatthe ethical version of a driver is,
where they get to know their workdaysand what type of service that would be.
But that's what I want.
But yes, I
so Tyrone is most likely to driveby a ridiculous car that he can't drive.
I'm most likely to buy a ridiculous carthat I won't drive.

(01:13:15):
I like thatI love, I love how we just adapt.
It's so stupid, so sexy.
Most likely to turn their house
into a museum of themselves.
Yeah, that that.
I don't like the way I look in photos,so it's definitely not going to be me.
That's definitely me.
I would I would definitely have likeone of those Andy Warhol style portraits.

(01:13:38):
There would be, okay, I would, I would,I would have that, that would have that.
But that's about it.
I, I would definitelyis somebody who loves in art.
Well, I would absolutelyhave you talking to somebody who has like
CS all over I, I love, I love my name,
I love having pictures of meI would, I would do that.
Yeah I can see youis like the like a regal portrait but you.

(01:13:59):
Yeah.
But you're like you look like Maleficent,right.
Absolutely.
Old schoolRenaissance style portrait of me standing,
slaying a dragon or sprite.
Big blue feather headdress like old school, like Edward finger
sergeant style with the offthe shoulder situation like I would.
It would be a wall of Courtney portraits

(01:14:22):
from a variety of eras,from a variety of artists.
And it would just be mejust going around, just turning them over.
Yeah, yeah, we're we have all room.
But yeah, there were definitelythere would definitely be a giant portrait
of a traditional old schoollike family portrait.
Yes, it's over a fireplace.
Just with matching, right?

(01:14:44):
Yes, yes, just I would love that.
That would be great. So. Yes.
Oh, man. For sure.
Who's most likely to host a partyjust to show off the view?
Oh, both of us.
I that's just. Okay. That's an easy one.
Renting a penthouse.
It would be a joint party.
Yeah.
We're at the top floorof three different buildings,

(01:15:05):
and you can triangulate with the zip linebetween either.
So that would be. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. That was,that was that was easy. Haha.
Sibling party. Yeah. Hard.
The party about where it's like where arewe were just at the top of everything.
Top of the Eiffel Tower, top roomhave like a world
tour of like we're going to bewe're at this is the view party building

(01:15:27):
and like a view party like series,like a concert tour.
When you go on a world tour.
Absolutely. I've just.
I've just been penthouses.
Just penthouses.
Most likely to spend millions
on the dumbest techis probably both of us.
It's both of us.
But the problem is,and I don't even know the problem,

(01:15:47):
the tech would be so different.
It would be.
It would be.
We would. It would be dumb.
But like, I would probably have $50,000,like sewing machines.
So what do you do?
I'm downstairs.
Like, I think I'm gonna make sales,you know, I think I'm gonna make sales.
Something.Something stupid like that. Like.
Like this is

(01:16:09):
it like I just want to sell somethingbig or whatever.
Like that would be it.
Or it would be,
you know, I've fitted, I've changedinto every light bulb in the house.
We're all connected to the giant.
Giant here, right?
I could turn right.
I can turn every light on in the housefrom my iPad,
and I make, like, laserlight shows outside and stuff like that.
Like, that would be my dumb tech.

(01:16:31):
Yours are probably like a wallfull of, like, monitors.
I have a giant wall of my moviescreen is actually my computer monitor.
Look at how many I can actually show10,000 rows
and an excel sheet all at once.
Like something like that.
What's the tech?
Oh, oh, so this is.
I've actually rented out.
I've actually boughtthe render farm from Pixar.

(01:16:54):
So this is mine.
So it takesit takes seconds to render a whole movie.
Right? Right.
Since I made I like to make a movie,go get, some chips and salsa.
And when I comeback, it's done. It's done.
Look atthis cool VR headset I got it right.
There's both of us.
You and I would be in there like,this is like, what is this?

(01:17:16):
Oh, this is the hardest dailylightsaber battle in VR.
This is what they do.
Home court.
I have aI have a full actual Iron Man suit.
Right. It flies.
So yes, I do.
I love that, like there would be very.
There'd be some but very,very little overlap in our dumb tech.
Yeah.
But we would both spend just

(01:17:38):
dumb amounts of money, dumbamounts of money, and you would be like.
But not on any of the same tech.
No, except for except for probablythe fitted out game room.
Yeah, man, we just stuff like that.
I'm just buying two of.
Yeah, yeah, drag it there.
I'm going to havebecause we're going to have a fitted out
game room and a fitted outscreening room for.
Yeah, watching the thingsand playing with like it's like the same,

(01:18:01):
like Richie Richbut the roller coaster. Yes.
Yes. And a dog named Doppler.
Like,
Most likely to buy matching gold changefor the whole family.
Yeah, I know who it is.Is this me? Where my.
Let's see. Leanne's fair.
You're right. No, it's me.
It is Sarah Owen.

(01:18:21):
But I'm the one who, to goback, would be most likely
to make sure we wore all the gold chainsin some type of family portrait.
Yes, yes, I'd be like,all right, Tyler is going to victory now.
We all got to do it.And now we all just stand.
We actually all do the death row, right?
We all
for all.
We're looking like, looking likethe dudes from, new Jack city.

(01:18:42):
Oh, it's right.
This is this where was,
like, in black and red,and just like that would be it, but yes.
So Tyrone, 100%the one making us all Bible chains.
I mean that'swhere have the matching change.
Also we're we're a familywho likes jewelry.
So everybody would want one.
Everybody would want one becauseI would get I would get like a hard one.

(01:19:06):
And then everybody be like,okay, but okay, where's mine though.
Right.
And then I would insist on therebeing a portrait.
That's the thing.
And this is a little bit of a tangent,
but that's the thing that I'm excitedabout us, about for us.
Sorry, I'm apparently having a brain fart.
That's the thing I am excited about us
is the documentationthat we're going to do.

(01:19:27):
Like, dad likes taking pictures.
Like our family likes to take pictures
and, like, documentour our trips and stuff like that.
But like, that's now
at the amountof money that we're talking about with
this is going to be like,you know, this is painted like this.
It's this is a 20ft by 20ft

(01:19:50):
painting that goes in the foyerof just us.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Hilarious.
I think last question is, who's
most likely to keep success quietbut still drop subtle flexes?
I also think this might be both of us.
Yeah, like, because I mean, I'll tell youright now, this is my secret,

(01:20:14):
even though it's not really a secret.
Is that like,
if I've already paid taxes for the year,like if I'm, if I'm working on January
2nd, I'm working on December 31st, like,because I already got to pay for whatever.
So I'm going to usewhatever time in that tax year
to like, settle up,get my ducks in a row or whatever.
Yeah.
You're not going to know.

(01:20:34):
Nobody's going to knowoutside of the people who know intimately,
if I have more money until all of a sudden
there's a January and nobody can find me,right, like, right.
But, so that's so true,because what I'm not going to do
if I can is like,pay partial tax on that year or, like,
have it go like the logisticsperson did me it just like I said,

(01:20:56):
if I'm if I'm working on
January 2nd, I'm working on December 31st.
So. Right.
Right. Like that's just what it is. Right.
So you're not going to see anythingin that county.
I'm going to use a yearto get all the things together.
You know how like,
you know,sometimes people with their taxes,
like they like group all their purchasesor like we're going to buy a house

(01:21:17):
and do all the thing.
It's like,yeah, set all that up for next year.
This year
we're going to get ducks in a row,put the build the trusts, get the lawyers.
Yeah, get the team together whatever.
And so it's going to look very similar.
Yeah.
Until the day does not
you know I hear it but likewell everybody this is the final episode.

(01:21:44):
This is the
final episode of hustle with heartis with a great run.
We love y'all.
Are you going to be like,oh, this is going to be like,
how some of the heart is on locationin Dubai. What?
You gotta, right?
How to get there?
Like it really is glow chat and
it's just we're in London, right?
Oh so great to see yougo see the world tour or you know like the

(01:22:06):
is going to change all of a suddenyou're going to be like is that a Rolex.
What's happening.
Oh you know like the jinglesthat are my my normal bracelets.
You're going to be likethey might get a little bigger.
You know, you just like thatcamera is nice.
Who did this?
Is that right?
Oh, the thing I miss outfilming in the studio.
Like,you know, you're going to see some there.
There might be signs.There might be signs, ladies.

(01:22:27):
And gentlemen,today's guest. I wouldn't Steve, very.
Right.
Us live studio audience. For real.
I'll just add some stuff
that like you're not gonna see, but like,yeah, it's not going to be good.
That to me, that's always been
an issue is you would ever bespending other people's money.
But you know, live lottery thingsor whatever people talk about.

(01:22:50):
I won the lotteryand this is what I'm about to do.
No, baby, you're not going to hearwhat I'm about to do.
That's not a you're not going to hearwhat I'm about to do.
And you probably not going to seewhat I do is.
Oh, yeah, like it'll be
it'll be a minute before you hearwhat I'm going to do.
The other thing, this is going to make mesound kind of crazy.
I don't know, maybe not crazy,but just boundaries.

(01:23:13):
Like, one of the things that would Ito be out is you hear people
getting all this money all of a sudden, orthey, win the lottery or just whatever,
and they're like, then people called meand I just didn't know how to say no. Who?
That is not my problem.
Baby, I'm so sorry.
You don't know how to say no.
Oh, I know it's like this.

(01:23:33):
No, no,
no. And again, I try to operatefrom a generous spirit.
People who know me in real lifeknow that, like I am willing to say, yes,
I show up.
But the idea that the peoplewho didn't know me and or invest in me
or support me or whatevercalling, talking about, well, I need this.

(01:23:54):
I understand that.
So sorry again, I love this.
The man I am, I am very generous.
I live in aI live in a space of generosity
in any way I can.
If I have $2 and you need five,I will figure out
how to get another 250 for you.
That is who I am.

(01:24:14):
Which is why the good Lord aboveblessed me with my sister and my mama.
So we you get past them, you don't get.
You don't get that $5,
but you got to get past them first.
And and it's That's how I like as a personwho, you know,
we talk about this a long time ago,but you talked about discernment.

(01:24:35):
I have discernmentand I and I and I'm growing in it.
But I believe that the universehas blessed me with people, with ultimate,
with the ultimate discernment skillthat have allowed me to
to be as free and generous as I can be.
Because they they are over-the-shoulderbaton and Western tarot.

(01:24:56):
Nice.
But Tyrone with his Mr.
Magoo heart.
Just like what I'm just so much Mr.
Friend is just steppinginto potholes and stuff.
Meanwhile, mom and I are just like, movingthings, making sure, you know, Rumble.
All right, that's. That it.
So. Yeah,but it it always, it always trip me up to,
to see these people who and I getI'm not even things with judgment.

(01:25:19):
I understand. It's just it'sjust not how I'm built.
Yeah.
Where people are like,I have this money and.
And people called me.
There we go.
I had this money,and then people called me, and they just,
you know, they asked for something.
They gave it, and then they disappeared.
And now I don't have any money anymore.And I'm like, that's not.
And how I want it to be clear,I'm not a monster.

(01:25:41):
Okay?
If somebody is like, do you have $100?
Becausemy because my life's about to get cut off,
okay,just matter of fact, just send it over
and that's, that's I'm like,what do we know?
Do we know this person?
If I'm always like,give me a little bit of vetting.
And there are there are people in ourin our world, in our, in our community

(01:26:06):
that are obviouslyjust like no questions asked.
Oh yeah. And they know who they are.
But yes, there are people who I'm like,do I know you?
Do I know?
And when I talk about people like whenI say things like, do you if you need it,
if you need your light bill paid is peopleI know ain't this like I know.
Well,
this is not just some,

(01:26:27):
but there are people who I knowwell who don't fall in that category.
Still.
And I because I know you well enoughto know I'm not going to say this.
I'm not going to knowyour rent is going to be no.
So, yes, but, last thing
I'll say in our superlatives or,just in this,
in this verse, in the conversation,is that like, I had so

(01:26:50):
I, I working for it was talked about likesome advice she got around, investing
and it's like said, you know, your moneyis going to have to sweat for you.
Because it's not goingto it's not going to like,
you know, we work in nonprofits.
There's just a variety of things for like,the money is not going to come for you.
It's not going to like waterfall for you.Yeah.
So the money you have,you're going to have to invest in like

(01:27:11):
make it sweat for you.
And I really like this idea ofmaking of the money, doing a lot of labor.
How can I make itso that the money I have is sweating
And so part of the things I knowwe're talking about,
you know, balling out of control.
So after it's over,but my initial investments or my initial
like if I had a bunch of money,if I was right before we got the ball

(01:27:32):
out of control would be like, all right,this first bit has to sweat for me.
Hard, right?
I need to do the things I can doto make this money work. So.
Oh, you know, that's part why I guess I'mgoing back to the the quiet success
is like a lot of that firstround of quiet success
is about making the money sweat.

(01:27:53):
First I need to put that money in the gym.
I needI need it to, so I'm not going to flex.
Especially since I've already.
I can work the way I've got, like,
you're not going to see those flexesright away because yes, I'm going to need
I got to put that money to work this that,that first round is all employee money.
You got to go.
You got to.Yeah. Guess who's clocking in, baby.

(01:28:16):
And the clock in.
Right.
And so I mean you know it's stuck with me.
And so yeah.
So it's going to be real quiet
for a second because nowI got to make sure the money is working.
The thing that I have in my phone is this
I believe it's a quote from WarrenBuffett.
I'm not sure, but the quote is firstmillion is that is the hardest.

(01:28:38):
Your second million is inevitable.
And it's something likeI really think about because I'm like,
you know,because he puts it into the sense of like,
you know, that first million,
you're busting your assto make this first million,
and you make the first millionand the second million.
Now that's that firstmillion gets to go to work for you.
And you're using that, you know,and however that goes,

(01:29:01):
you know, living off the interest,you're are you investing?
Are you are you doubling down on whateveryour business is
or your avenueof making this million dollars?
Is, now that you get to do thatwith a little bit of cushion on the end
and I've that's this.
Yeah, this is something that's always been
that's always that kind of stuck with me.
All right. Oh, look at us.

(01:29:21):
It's time for potatoes now,Now for the heart.
Heart and soul.
Hearts. All the meat and potatoes.
Oh, to show spirit.
Work hard, play hard. this
ball out of control.
Edition continuing right.
Continue to out of control.
I think this is actually similarto what you just asked, but I'm going to.
Or what we just talked about, which iswhat's one step you could actually take

(01:29:45):
right nowto move closer to that success lifestyle?
Pushing in a generous way, having havingdiscernment on what that looks like.
I love a good mood board.
I love a good mood board.
Mood boards aren'tjust Pinterest boards anymore.
They're your TikTok favorites.

(01:30:06):
They're your Instagram real favorites.
They're they're saving videos to or imageswherever you can.
I have a bunch of videos on TikTok
that are just outlandish, lucrative
things like a $25 million penthousethat was just a Park West.
Just like just cause, like,I want to see it.
Great. It's got a 200.

(01:30:26):
It's got a 200 person ballroom,because why?
I just don't have ballrooms anymore.
And I kind of miss that, you know,
somebody who never had access to it,but I always.
I'm always looking for a reasonto have a dance party.
I would love a ballroomif I had a ballroom.
I mean, we have party all the time.
And in watching the Gilded Age,I'm always looking at like, man,

(01:30:48):
just the idea of just hostinga party was a whole job.
Everybody there, they were so regular.
You just that was just part of the thingyou had to do, the things you had to do.
If if you had enough money,you hosted a ball or,
you know, Gilded Age or Bridgertonor those these things.
And I'm like, I miss that.
I can do that.
I really I would loveI could love the idea

(01:31:09):
of hosting,having to host like a dance party.
I'd have a party every week,every just I, a party every week
filled with people because I woulddefinitely want one week on, one week off.
But every other week
probably once a month it bethat would be the thing to look for.
Just like I was at the Courtney'smonthly dance party.
Absolutely.
Everybody's going to be there.

(01:31:30):
Everybody's going to bethis is what you do.
Third, third Saturday of the monthis you on the list.
You got to list.You're not getting anything on the list.
Yeah, you got you got down list.
It's hardand it's not that hard to get on the list.
It's really just got to text me.
So yeah, but I do.
I like thatthe idea of practicing the sermon.
Yeah.
Being kind of open to it, being generousin the current space.

(01:31:51):
I was hanging out with a friendand we were,
one of the friends we were hanging outwith is Trinidadian.
And the concept of lining up just,like doing nothing
and, like, just embracing the city.
We we were sitting there
and my friend was like, you know,

(01:32:11):
I always say, I can't wait to do thiswith seven figures in my bank account.
That's like how I practicethe manifestation.
And somebody was like, you know,we're living like you're retired.
And I was like, I really love this.
Like, a lot.
Like, that's how I feel likeI'm preparing for success.
I'm at least success on this level.

(01:32:32):
As I'm preparing, I'm I'm living my lifethe way I want to live my life right now
with no money.
So when money does happen,I'm still sitting at Cafe,
you know, engaging in community,
doing the things I'm already love doingjust with more money.
Yeah, the trail I agree.
And, you know, amplify. I,

(01:32:54):
what am I taking now?
What am I doing nowto closer to success? Really?
It is one, engaging with discernment,being able to say
to know who I am, to really understand,like who I want to be with this money.
It is letting the little bit of moneyI have work for me trying to, like,
be smart about where that's going andthinking, okay, what can I do right now?

(01:33:15):
What can I do in the future?
And again, cultivating the people I wantto be successful with, that's, that's
that's really the key is, is getting
your community of success around you.
So people, you know,you have people who can look at you,
but like, okay, you're trippinnow. Don't do this.
Right. Yeah.
Because a lot of folks get up thereand they get to that money.

(01:33:36):
And people are so motivated by the money
that then they don'tthey aren't honest with you.
And you have y'all herejust fucking up and just like, just
don't like it.
Niggas blowing $30 million in a week.
I wish I would know 30 made you.
Do you knowhow mad your momma would be at me?
We been buddy again.

(01:33:56):
And that's.
That's another reason why I thinkit's important to, like, start that first.
Let the first little bit work for you.
Like, don't be like, this is when I flexknow the flex flex money is is I.
Yeah.
If you get you know if you get again
we're saying you're just picking numbers,picking numbers.
If you get $10 millionon your first big purchase

(01:34:17):
or your first big deal or whatever,you should immediately take 80% of that
and just put that somewherethat just accrues interest.
Right.
And you live off that interest, right?
Which would sweat
like a 2% interest rate of that is I don'tI don't make you do math live cup.
It's you're probably living off a month.

(01:34:38):
You're probably living off 50 to 70, 50to $100,000 a month.
Yeah,but don't don't quit your job right away.
Don't be too dry.
Right? Right.
Still go to work, do things right, pay.
But like Yeah.
Make sure all the things are settled.Get rid.
Yeah. Start paying things off.
Get your obligations together.
Pay things off slowly. From what? Yes.
Because if you pay things off quickly,things will start.

(01:35:00):
They'll. They'll start raising limits.They'll start.
They'll start sending you start.
Pay things off slowly. Don't pay the day.
You know. Don't payjust your minimum balance.
But like if your minimum balance is $75for your credit card, pay $100, right?
Yeah. No. Do. Yeah.Do what you can do again.
Step into it.
Step into it.
Don't close it. Yeah.
But don't jump right into it.
I think that'swhere a lot of people happen

(01:35:22):
where they're like,oh, I paid off all my car loans.
I paid off my student debt.I paid all my stuff off.
And then you're like,and now I'm broke. Yeah.
Like, you know, like right now where it'smake sure that you're just balance it,
make sure the money is comingin, make also paying off
target, paying off all that at once kindof messes up your credit from what I've.
It can from what I've heard.
But I'm. I'm not a financial advisor.
Don't listen to me about anything.Right, right.

(01:35:43):
But but it is worth it to just be mindfulwhere you don't want to end up.
Because what I think people do is they getthey worked so hard to get to zero
zero debt or whatever,but they also are losing.
They get to zero of that money,like you have the pile of money,
you're trying to make it out,
and then you don't know wherewhat money's coming from.
Yeah, how it's working for you.
And that's why it's like, okay, hey,if you had all that debt yesterday,

(01:36:05):
I'm not saying hold on to itforever, but, like, see what the balances.
See what you can do to reduce it,slow it down.
But to make sure you also still havea bunch of money that is working for you.
Yes, yes.
So that you aren't just losing money.
Open a new bank account to do it.
Yeah, so we'll figure it out.
I really like this question.
And so I'm going to

(01:36:27):
Actually no, I'm gonna let you ask methat question.
I'm going to ask you this other one,which is, is it ever dangerous to dream
too big, and or to let the fantasyget in the way of execution?
I don't think so.I don't think there's any.
I don't think the concept of dreamingtoo big exist.
That's real.
I think dreaming too big.And you know this.
I think dreaming too bigis for small minded people.
Tell them. Preach.

(01:36:48):
I think the concept of dreaming too big
is because somebody,somebody told you that you can't do it.
And so you and that somebody be you.
But the idea that it's too big is
because nobody's ever,you know, nobody's ever done it before.
So why you.
And I'm like, why not me?
Like I'm dreaming you

(01:37:11):
like
like you multi-billion dollarcorporation. Big.
And I it it's what fuels me like thethe balling fantasy is like
the reason I kind of get out of bed inthe week
is like, no, man, one dayI'm gonna do this and I'm going to keep
do like and I'm going to I'm alreadydoing what I love and doing what I love,

(01:37:32):
but a couple hundred million dollarsin my bank account,
it's just going to make me want to do
what I lovemore on a higher level, on a bigger scale.
But I understand that I'm not that,I'm not saying that that's not enough.
I'm I know that that's enough for me.
It's not the money at that point.It is the
the ability to create what I wantto create, when I want to create it.

(01:37:53):
I mean, that's just it's nice,but it's a resource.
It's a tool to allow me to be ableto continue to create what I want
to create and to ball on these hatersevery once in a while,
because you got to buy the barat least once.
You get just once. Absolutely.
Now I, I mean, that's super motivationaland I.
Both mostly agree.

(01:38:13):
And I'm also just like I've sometimes
I've seen I've seen people and this can bemy own fear talking in some ways.
But I've scary not.
Get it?
But get so caught up in the dreamthat they are.
That's a dreamer right there.
That's a dreamer right there. Out there.
I love New York.

(01:38:35):
I've seen people get so caught upin the dream that they aren't.
They aren't working within their reality.
And I'm not talking about the limitsof their reality, but like,
you know, the there's likethe classic stereotype, the dude
with three babies working on his mixtape,it's like, no, the dream is say so.
Yeah,but the baby's gotta eat. Yes, yes. Right.

(01:38:56):
And it's not that your limitations off ofthat can't work
so that you can't hustle,but you also have to.
You can't be so invested in the dreamthat you ignore your responsibilities,
that you stop being a personwho's accountable
to the commitments you've madein this life, in this, in this reality.
No, that's very,that's and that's very true.
And so that's the only wayI, I think the dream gets too big

(01:39:19):
where it becomes where it occupiesyou so much and like, you know, you're.
There. Yeah.
A co-parent asking youto be a present parent for these children
you made is not somebody hatingon your mixtape, right.
That's great.
That's super true.
That's that's not a hater.
That's not that's not what a hater is.
Somebody asking you to be accountableto your responsibilities

(01:39:42):
is not because they don't believe in you.
Yeah, they're not like a dream crusher,right? Right.
And this is, I think, where discernmenthappens because like sometimes people ask
you things that sound reasonablebecause they want to be in your way,
because they want to hate.
And sometimes people are asking you to be,
asking you things that are reasonablebecause you have responsibilities.

(01:40:03):
And this is where discernmentis understanding,
like the differenceand understanding what you can do.
But to me, that is the time when thefantasy gets in the way of the execution.
Yeah,
toward the success where it's like, no,you do still have to take care of things.
You do still have to be accountableto the people who you are accountable to.
I yeah,I very much agree with you on that.

(01:40:24):
I, I and I think when that happens, it'sno longer a dream.
I think it's becomesomething like, it's become an obsession
to where you because you can
you can be addicted to this,you can be addicted to this.
And I think that's where the line becomeswhere it's no longer.
That's why I say, like dreams,your dreams can't be too big.

(01:40:47):
But like, that's an addiction.
Now you're you're now addictedto this fantasy life that you are pushing
to the point where you're neglectingeverybody around you.
Like I'm obsessed with my dream,but I also understand that I have
responsibilities, and I have and I havecommitments that I've made to people.
And I understand that these are thick.That's my discernment.
Yes, but it's also like, I know thatI live in a world where I know money

(01:41:09):
right now and like, but I'm also pushingthe things back to your mixtape person.
Are you even if you or are you,what is your sounding board?
How are you executing your dream?
If you're are you just making musicand not showing it to anybody?

(01:41:30):
Like, are you just living?
Are you living in this world in a silowhile also neglecting your
your responsibilities?That's an addiction.
And so why are you continually showing itto people but not taking any feedback?
Also, are you not being coachable, right?
Are you not being coachable?
And I'm and we're not saying be humble.
I'm not going back on what I'm saying.

(01:41:50):
I'm not saying I know you all,but you always have to be coachable to
be coachable.
And if you're not coachablebecause you believe that
whatever you believe that you're notcomfortable in the top five
Dylon, Dylon, Dylon and Dylon.
But if you're not coachable because.

(01:42:10):
You're I mean, if you're LeBronnot coachable, who has put in the effort
and put in the time and donethe accolades and and
and has kept his responsibilities,or are you not coachable
because you are addictedto following the dream?
Because it is.
It is easier to follow a dreamthan it is to do the dishes,

(01:42:31):
to do the so much the basic shitthat is so much easier to follow.
The dreams are to be like you.
In the future,I'm going to get all the dishwasher
so I don't have to do the dishes,and that's great.
But right nowI know we need to get these dishes done
and it's much easier to be like,nah, I just I'm so great,
I don't have to do the dishes. Like, no.
But for now, you regardlessof how great you are, the dishes need it.

(01:42:52):
The dishes need to be done.
And and LeBron does the dishes.
He shows up.
He's he's dad.
He's so much he's he shows up so much sothat his son is now fulfilling his dream.
I keep
this is a tangent, but it's funny.
It's like one of my favoritekind of internet jokes right now.
Are people, talking about LeBronsleeping with his teammates?

(01:43:12):
Mom, it's just the phrase.
It's like they're stupid. Stupid.
So and so disrespect to be like.
You mean his mama?
You mean his actual mama?
His mother, because that's his wife.
But is they you know, for somebody like,you know,
that LeBron took out his teammates,his mom,

(01:43:33):
his teammate, mama,even if y'all don't get out of my face,
the phrasing just cracks me up.
But there's all these jokes about like,the disrespect about, like,
LeBron was so mad at this rookiethat he started dating his mama.
And it's like, no,that's not y'all are idiots. I love it.
Y'all are idiots.
Because that's the type of jokethat I would make, right?

(01:43:55):
It is the funniestbecause it's it does it.
It's like, yes, it is a reading ofwhat happened by but not at all.
That's not at all.
It's it's both right and terribly wrong.
Okay.
Here's that question you wanted. Yeah.
Since I last work hard question.
Because we still have a question to playhard.
Feels liketoday has been a lot of play for a lot.

(01:44:16):
This is a very play. Hard coded day. Yes.
If you had to design a success ritual,something you had, something
you do every time you hit a goal,what would it be?
I mean, I've this is the fourth timeI've said this today.
I think how much I love rituals.
And so that's whyI really like this question.
And what's funny is I don't even knowwhat the specific ritual would be,
but I, I like for me,there's almost always like,

(01:44:39):
I'd say a sensual experience, but I wouldI mean that in the sense of like,
engaging the senses.
Right? Right. Not, not sexy time.
Right? It's not rightand right. It's not dirty stuff.
It's more like, yeah, what is the meal?
You know?
And it's like, for me,it's like oysters, a cold, dark beer
and, like, just being outside.
Or, you know, sometimes, like.

(01:45:02):
And I'm I don't
we shouldn't smoke, but sometimesit's like a close cigaret on a rooftop.
It's like to something that smells good.
Like feeling
a good clove.
Right.
That smoke could be responsible.
And I've got probably every four yearsI have a single clove cigaret somewhere.

(01:45:24):
And just look at it.
You just look at it.Just look at it. Right.
But yeah.
What's the thing that celebrates it?
I do like to.
It's, for me,it's almost always a meal of some sorts
to celebrate a success or a milestonejust because I.
I like, I like the food I like,and so being able to access that is great.

(01:45:44):
it's like, who can I thinkand sometimes and it's what can I make?
How about you say it's definitely a meal?
I think it's a meal because of our
our connectionto the continent and culturally.
Like, they, you know, we as black peopleas it's, you know, part of the diaspora,

(01:46:05):
we use food as a congratulatoryand commemorative aspect.
So food is 100% my success.
Every time something good happens,we you got to eat.
Yeah, I'm very Midwestern,
but it's also like very like it'sbut it's very black people like.

(01:46:25):
And also I just think, you know,I believe I do think the hard family motto
really has to be, Will there be a partyabout whether it be a part about it?
I think any goal like the thingsgo the way I want them to go,
which I think they will, it will,it will be a party about it.
Yes, whether it's big or small,but there'll be some type of celebratory

(01:46:45):
communal activitythat happens that I get to thank everybody
who has been with me on this journey,and then we
and then we dance until the sun comes outor into our legs give out.
It's probably the dayit's going to give out first.
And frankly, we,
you know, by the Tylenol and stuffbeforehand before you take a nap.
We're going to be all right.We'll be all right.

(01:47:06):
All right.We have just two play hard questions.
I know we've gotten to hang out in thisfor a minute. It's.
Yeah, I really love this episode.
This is a this is definitely my favorites.
We've had some fun times.
And we've talked a little bit about this,
but what's the most over-the-top thingyou actually enjoy?
Not just stunts.
If you are ball it is.

(01:47:27):
That's a great question.
It would be.
It would definitely be like a WorldFood Tour.
Like, you know, like you said,all the resources are paid.
Everybody's taken care of. It would be,
solo trip
around the worldtrying every major food city in the world
and like, you know, understanding,like national dishes and and stuff.

(01:47:49):
And I would have the full range of things.
I would,you know, I would eat street meat,
but I would also want to experience,like a michelin rated restaurant
in every country.
And that would be mythat would be my thing.
That's amazing.
I mean, those wolf ranges that, likeBig Stove, I would cook on it for real.
Like, it would be, it would be the show.

(01:48:10):
It would definitely be for show.
It would be a flex, but it would be.
to have that big fancy stovebecause nobody really needs.
But I would cook in it.
I would cook in it.
And and probably againfancy sewing machines.
I would buy a fancylike embroidery machine
that those are like,you know, five figures.

(01:48:30):
Yeah.I don't have an embroidery business.
There's really only reason you need one.
And I would be embroideringall the things.
It would be nice to, like,wool hoodies, made a family crest.
Like, I
would be down there making,like, a long arm quilting machine.
It's like, oh, yeah, well, I did,I quilted this thing and it is both the,

(01:48:52):
the crest that is on the sweatshirt.
Then there's a quilt that has it in thereand that like
it would just be all typesof full on sewing studio.
It's like, Courtney,do you have a commercial business? No.
I just like to put my name on everything.
No. Why would youwould you say that and say that
there's single handedlyjust making epic flower sex stuff?

(01:49:14):
I made this. Great.We're going to sell it. Thanks.
Yeah, yeah.
You do.
I fall into a whole embroidery,custom embroidery business.
By accident.
Just by accident? Because. Yeah,because that would be.
That would be my the flax of.
Just like I don't needthat many machines.
The machine I would get,
I would buy a super fancy,I would buy a fleet of 3D printers.

(01:49:36):
I would really want to get into 3Dprinting.
And and cosplay I would get,I would get super deep
into like really fancy,really cool cosplay.
Yeah.
And cosplaying obscurethe most obscure things.
It'd be allI would just have 18 storm cosplays.
I would just be able to like all differenttypes, all the iterations of star in.

(01:49:58):
But yeah, no, it would be.
That woulddefinitely be functional in that.
Like I would have just all these machines,these all computerized machines,
just a wholea whole workshop of sewing stuff.
For wherethe only reason I don't have it is
because I can't justify the cost at all.
But if you down, there's like,why do I need a long arm quilter?
And how do I know how to quilt yet?

(01:50:19):
No, but I will have one.
I will probably also get that, Disney
where you can like, move onand you do that omnidirectional.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Add and get my VR thing and strap in.
Oh yeah. Hold
VR pod set up situation.
Or is tight ties locked in right nowI mean he's mixing.
It's going to be another 20 minutes.

(01:50:39):
That thing would have to have a timer.Yeah.
And and then automaticallyjust take itself off my it's
like no the game will not turn onuntil you come in here tomorrow.
Because you cannot live here.You can't live here.
You cannot be in here.
Oh, I have also said this is my last.
Like ridiculous flex is, a full on,
virtual driving rig for racing games.

(01:51:03):
Absolutely.
I would be in need for speed,but I wanted to have the clutch.
Like, I want to feel like I'm driving,but I don't actually want to race.
That's it. Shaking and everything.
Yeah, I moved here, I yeah, yeah.
Where it likewhere the insides like custom all of it.
Where it's a full on racing.
Like I want to feel like I'm driving.
Have you seen paint?
Have you seen t paint?

(01:51:24):
Yes. It's so good. It's. Yes. So. Yeah.
I want to feel like I'mdriving, playing racing game of some sort
with the shift and.
But I don't want to actually drive,
because the idea of actually drivinga race car does not sound like fun for me.
Maybe I would do itlike one, one time, one time.
And I kind of just want to bein the passenger seat, right?
I want someone to drive.

(01:51:45):
Yeah, but like, I would totally do an F1ride with Lewis Hamilton.
Oh that's fair.
I would try that out, but.
Yeah, but,but give me that rig. I'll be down there.
You know,Chris Carnahan, you come up sweating.
Hey, just just did the rally 500 F1.
It just all the styles.

(01:52:05):
You're all gonna sit out somewhereprivate.
What are you doing? So, you know, look,I gotta get to the tour.
I gotta keep my rank. It's important.
And it's like going to be a while.
How long did you spend down there?
Last thing I think we. I would do,
and this would be a joint thing,which is the thing we probably do now.
I think we I think I would start actuallystreaming, I think I would stream,

(01:52:27):
I think, I think I would reallyI think I could really do
I mean how much money I'm going to have,
I'm going to become a streamer. No.
About how much money I have.
You could do it.I think I'm going to do it. The right way.
I'm not going to buy followers.I'm not going to do anything.
I'm going to shoot my followers, my thing.
At that level, you can getthe proper setup and then get gas.

(01:52:49):
I just think you need.
I need you, buddy.
I need somebody to talk to. Right?
Somebody who's whole thing is like,you just need a buddy.
I think, cuz I think you'd be great.I think you're streaming. Then be fine.
I just think you need a you need somebody.
You need,you know, do the like kaizen situation.
Even though,you know he has his own problems.
But like get the setup, get togetherand then get the guests in there
and talk to them while you stream.

(01:53:09):
I think that would be super fun.
Amazing.
What a fun episode.
Yes. Way to wait for us to to play.
Just talk about living in the successfantasy.
We got this.
I'm so excited.
Oh, I'm so excited for this success.
So it's going to happen, right?
It's it's all timeand it's our it's already there for us.
We just got it. We just got to get to it.

(01:53:31):
Well, that has been this probablyvery long
episode of hustling with Art where the howthat and it works out for us.
But thank you all for hanging with us.
Let us know in all the socials
which Tyron is going to give you in a bit,how you feel?
What are yourwhat is your success fantasy?
What do you want to do. Yes.
When you two can ball ball out of controlor how do you

(01:53:53):
how else do you feel about humility?
Be in for a second,because humility is the second.
Humility is the suckers. Remember that.
Our next episode, getting into
what would be episode nine niner, right?
Yeah.
So we're we'll be three quartersof the way through.
We are making our way through seasonone of Hustling with Harges.
And we're really going to talkabout training and education

(01:54:16):
and the things that brought us here,like what was our what
where did where did we get trained, whereand how did we like
to learn thingslike when we're trying to practice
what is ourour next steps we're really talking about?
Yeah. What what does it mean to train?
What does it mean to get educated?
What are the ways in which,
our creative practices have been informedor supported by our education?

(01:54:39):
Yeah. So, yeah, it's going to be fun.
It's going to be deeper.
Oh, probably specificallybecause you know who.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyrone now hit us with them socials.
You know, the socials maybe at Hustling with Harges across all platforms, man.
TikTok Instagram YouTube, Facebook.
We don't have.
No not Facebook yet.
But TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.

(01:54:59):
How some colleges stitchyour stitch your ball.
An out of control moment. What is yours?
What is your ball?An eye control success look like?
Give me topthree craziest things you want to buy.
I want to know the the.
Give me the dumbest thing.
Just you want to buy.
If you had all the money,I will also have.

(01:55:20):
This is for, for socials, for everyone.
Let us know if you could live inside any
fictional display of wealth,which one would you choose?
So you know, is it?
Do you want that Richie Richroller coaster and mountain of money?
Do you want to live in your secret
golf fantasies with The Addams Familyand all of their money?

(01:55:41):
Addams family got so much money, right?
You want to live in, a good old dynasty?
We're just Diahann Carroll upthere, just covered in fur or diamonds.
Right?Where do you. Where do you want? So. Yeah.
So if you could live inside any fictionaldisplay of wealth, where would you.
Where would you want to live?What would you want to do?
Maybe from hell.
Maybe you want to live in Bowser's castlebecause, you know, he got money.

(01:56:02):
He pay all the people you're assuminghe pay out, and people
I'm assuming you pay on the people.
He could. Thatjust the light bill on the castle.
You got to be a lock.
Each of his kids have castles.
You can't tell me because I don't havemoney. I don't believe you.
I hate you, I hate you so much.
Then you get each miss kids, these kids.
So every day you show up for them,he does show up for them spot, right?

(01:56:26):
They got.
They always spot you, right.
You know you day, right?You can't tell me.
Don't put Bowser in good dad category.
Right. He's he's a villain.But he's a good dad.
But he parents.
Right.
For you to do All the other kids goingto call they dad for any type of help.
And he show up.
He show up. So I don't.
But that's not that's not the point.

(01:56:47):
The point is he also got money.
He got paper.
And I get, I won't believe any different.
But again, if you could live insideany fictional display of wealth
which would you choose?
Let us know.
On all the socials, hustling with hardis everywhere.
Email us. Hustling with Hargis at gmail.
Check us, for our next episodearound training and education.

(01:57:08):
And as always,thank you for hanging out with us.
Always. Right?
And here's to your abilityto ball out of control.
I believe in you.
I believe in you.
Thank you. All. Okay. Love you. Bye bye.

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