Hurry Up & Wait: Patience as Part of the Process

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I just feel very good.I feel very blessed.
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I've taken the time to feel gratefulfor the position that I'm.
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The things I get to do,I get to just dream and create.
And that's what I get to do.
And it's very humbling.
Gratitude. And it's very nice.
But I understand that I'm very gratefuland I'm very lucky to be able to do this.
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I'm glad we're feeling good.I know you've had some.
It's been a struggle.
And that's not to say thatthere aren't shelves
come in, but it'snice to be in a good space today.
Feeling like, yes,feeling the positive energy, as it were.
Positive energy.
Yeah.
So I'm excited for us, to talk this week.
Because I enjoy us talking.

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Also, you talked about on waiting like,today's,
this episode's really gonna beabout waiting.
And particularly,
what do you do when the doing the thingyou're supposed to be doing is waiting?
Like you submitted the thing. You've.
You know, you've submitted the thingyou've done, the audition.
You've done, done the moment,you've, like, done the execution.

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And part of it is now you got to waitfor either feedback, responses, edits,
whatever you got to the doing thingthat you're doing is waiting.
This is, this is a third of my life.
That's a lotthe creative times just waiting.
We're definitely going to talk about that.
But before we get into the main moment,before we get into the meat,
we're going to start with our, sibling shout outs.

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Remember, bear,
You. let's do it.
All right. Taryn, you want to go first?
You want me to go first?Yeah, I'll go first.
My do things of the week are saviors

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winnerswho've also had to do a lot of waiting.
Lots of waiting.
Lots of trials and tribulations.
It is Kataraand Sokka of the Southern Water Tribe.
Yes. And gang and gang or the gang,if you will.
Two ace.
And gang.

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But I ask you to do well with our themethis week.
They had to do a lot of waiting.They had to.
They had to learn so muchand do and understand.
Find a world that they thoughtthey knew, that they don't know it was it.
Katara and Sokka are peak siblings.
Excellent siblings.
Just, I loved their dynamic

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because, again, ride or diefor each other, it's always.
It's clearly one of my favoritesibling dynamics, but also could
so easily get sick of each other in waysthat was quickly,
that were quickly like, like,look, dude, I will
I will come save you from anything,but don't talk to me right now, okay?
You gotta sit on the back, op. Okay? Now.

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Right, right now.
Talk to me right.
I like water with you. I'll just.
Thank you.
And I love that deep love.
Like the doubtof their sibling connection.
There just isn't any.
But sometimes it's like
I need you to be on the other sideof this mythical forest for.
And for whatever reason, it does just gobecause I will drown you in mid-air.

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Just be out, right?
Do whatever you want to do,as long as the thing you want to do
is not talk to me,because I can't do that.
I will be back.
But right now, no, I can't do that today.
Not right now. Amazing.
Yeah. That's right.Like we could do a lot.
Save the world. I we got it.
Share a meal with him. Check me.

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Check me out. Tomorrow. Check me.
Yeah. Tomorrow we'll be back.
But right now I want to deal with him.
And that deal with him.
I love it, I love yes.
Fantastic. Yes, yes. And gang,let's do it.
My silly shout outs.
Also fictional.
But just fantastic.
And they are, HilaryCarlton and Ashley Banks. Yes.

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The banks isthe banks is excellent siblings.
Also, I realize I'm ultimately leaving outlittle Nicky as the force.
Oh, yes.
Yes, sibling.
But he's there.
But that's, you know, happy he was there.
Glad Ross Bagleyjunior got that work as a youth. Yes.
But talking about the the main three.

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And why I love them so much.
Now this is going to sound a bitsurprising in my
we already got to anti-capitalism.This is where we are.
In my capitalist rant.
But I love.
Sorry hold.
Because somebody just had to sit out thereand rev their engine for a second.
Yeah.
So it's like great.

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So I love,
Hayley, Carlton and Ashley, for a variety of reasons.
One, just hilarious, right?
Excellent portrayals like the Carltondances still in our lexicon, right.
Shout out to Karen Parsons,Alfonso Ribeiro and Tatyana Ali.
All just making great things.

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But I love that
their portrayal was still very groundedin blackness,
but also grounded in wealth,kind of in an in an entitled way. Yes.
Like in contrast to The Cosby Show,which has its own problems
but showed a specific type of black wealth

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that was positive,like regardless of the people.
And also, R.I.P. Malcolm-Jamal Warner.
Oh, okay. I think about it.
Not ready.
But it talking about The Cosby Showas a show, not as its creator.
And yeah, it's just as an entity.
But as the siblings,like the Cosby siblings,

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we're very much aboutwe are black and upper middle class,
but we are kind of unexpectedor frankly, indifferent to wealth.
It just we have it, but it is not a thingthat impacts our personalities.
I love Hilary Carlton Ashleybecause they were black, rich kids.
They were in in Bel Air, in Bel Air.

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Like, you know, the idea that they werethat wealth was a part of who they were
in a way that wasn't apologetic.
It wasn't.
No, we are we are rich. That's what we do.
I mean, the opening game.
Daddy, can I have $200?
This is my cousin introduced.
Hi, daddy. Can I have $200?
That's
how we're introduced tothe world is amazing.

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And, like,it was hilarious because them having
a lot of money was alwaysthe thing that impacted them.
And like, recognizingit was supposed to be,
you know, the fish out of water,the contrast of like, Will
Smith, kid from the hood versusthe rich kids.
But this idea of a black wealththat wasn't.

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I don't want to say aspirational,and it wasn't aspirational
in the sense ofthey weren't striving for wealth.
Like the other contrast is like towardsJefferson,
where there is always a sense of likethey had the wealth,
but it was very much a like,I am striving to get there.
Yeah, yeah.
And even,you know, for instance, classic interests.

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So seeing like so many black people inthe house, it's like, how could we came up
and nobody told me like this senseof like distance,
like we are climbing into this space,the banks, kids lives there.
It's like, where where else would we be?
We wealth is who we are. Yeah, yeah.
Who else is?
I don't know what we do right?

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I don't know nothing else.
I don't know nothing else.
And so I just like thatas a narrative choice.
Yeah.
Because it was very much like,know, we are rich and this is.
And being having access to this moneyhas made us different, but not anti-black.
Never.

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I tell you, that's my one of my favoritethings is from the later season.
And I know we're kind of going offthis tangent is in the later season
when one of Phillips, like,activist friends comes in
and they basically calls himlike uncle Tom
because he got all this money and he goes,don't forget who you're talking to.
It's all of whom.
Okay.
Like, oh, I was briefed.

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I was there he goes, but I have a familynow, so I had to take care of them.
And I've made all types of changeinside these offices.
And it was just.
And I did for you forget I'll be
how big Phillip is.
And in he teens, you know, like, oh God.
That's.

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Yeah.
That's, also Rosalind Cashis that's who that is.
So good. It's an it's an excellent arc.
But I just like that
this idea of being as opposed to kindof being neutral on the amount of money
they have.
They very much indeed the amount of moneyif they have in a way
that also wasn'tabout shitting on other black people.
Not at all. Fantastic.

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Did you call the great Excellent Companythat does work when they get arrested?
Did you call their parents? No,because we're their parents.
Did you call their lawyer?
No, no, I'm their lawyer.
They're.
Yes. Also R.I.P.
James Avery.
Oh, my God,I can't soon talk about gone too soon.
Rest in peace to the Shredder.

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Right.
So, just so many great,so many great things.
James Avery gave us so much.
So, yeah,our shout outs are the banks siblings
and Katara and Sokka from AvatarThe Last Airbender.
This also is a day seven.
People,
dynamic duo of dynamic duos.

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This is where we count down how many daysit takes us to get one of our peak
sibling, duos in this chair,in this interview seat.
And they are, Debbie Allen and Phylicia Rashad
and, Willow and Jaden Smith.
And so they seven of usputting it out into the universe

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and the seven of usasking for them to join us,
and we at some point
we'll get to talk to both,either one or all of them.
Also shout out to Phylicia Rashad,just especially on, the Gilded Age if
and watching that she is I've never seena batch of her performance.

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I just and I've got lots of like that'sa fact I've gotten to like a few times.
And just watching the workshe's doing at the Gilded Age is
phenomenal.
She's just so good. She's so good.
And, you know.
Yeah. Day seven, we got there.
Happy to, celebrate.

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And they'll get here, they'll come to us,they'll get here.
And,
when you know what time it is, it's timefor the meat and potatoes of the show.
It's time for that good old main moment.
Now is the time for the main moment.
The part of the showwhere we dig a little deeper.
Whether it's creativity, culture,chaos or care.
This is where we pull the threadand see what unravels.

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all right.
The focus of this moment is, you know,something we've called thriving chaos,
where we really try to talk about,like, the hard things.
How do we stay positivewhen it gets hard in the world?
And our focus, as I said
earlier, is really about waiting,about what it means to wait.
You know, waiting
sometimes for your big break or waitingfor, like, again, you submitted the thing,

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or you had the audition or,you know, your cue.
Sometimes,like when I'm showing, you gotta like,
let something hang for a second forfor to see how it settles,
to see if it'll still fit or for,you know, making something for somebody
sometimes like you gotta send it.Does it fit on them?
And so it's this idea of like,you've done the work, whatever the thing

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to execute is, you've done the thingand now you have to wait.
You have to.
Your process is just like being present,while
whatever the next phases happens,kind of without you.
And so we want to talk about whatthe experience of, of waiting
is particularly like emotionally,like how does it feel,
what do we do to take careof ourselves in that space?

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So our
first question come out to get hot is,how do you know
the difference betweenproductive waiting and stalling out? Yep.
This is a big one there, chief.
As a 3D artist, waiting is a part of the process.
And we just call waiting rendering.
It's just it's a part of the process.

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You have to. You have to wait.
Sometimes you're waiting.
I watched a a video
of a two minute fight scene.
It's fully done in 3D by this small teamin Malaysia, and extremely detailed.
It's a lot.
I'm going to say a lot of words for peoplewho might not understand things,

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but it's like skin simulations, musclesimulations, cloth sims, sweat, lighting,
fog, all the thingsthat make really great animation
for one frame of animation.
It took 100 hours.
That's a lot of hours to render.
That's not no hours.
Like just that's just over five days.

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That'sjust over five days for a scientist.
Just over four days.
Now, mind you, it's 24frames for one second of animation
and I'm out. You.
So waiting is built into the profession,
but there is productive waitingwhich is rendering and such.
And then I think stalling comes in the

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it comes in that the disguise of tweaking
I think tweaking thingsI think, you know, moving things,
moving sliders left and right,just minuscule amounts back
that don'tbring any real change to the look.
I think that isI think that stalling and I am
definitely,

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guilty of stalling, thinkingI'm doing something productive.
But I the the difference for meis, is day and night.
It's like, okay, I walk awayfrom my computer productive waiting
or I have moved this slider
eight times and have seen no real change.

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But I think there's change in therethat's stalling.
That's real.
I, hearing that made me think of,the thing that I'm going to sound like.
I know what I'm talking about,but I definitely just googled
because I had a vague sense of it.
But the Pareto principleor the 8020 rule, and the idea
is that 20% of your activity,it's responsible for 80% of the results.

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And I'd heard that,but I had to find the details while we
while you were talking.
But it's real in that, like,I think there's kind of another version
of this rule where it's just like thatlast 20% is both the hardest
and I and in some ways,I think kind of the least impactful.
And I don't mean the like final 20%,like the last like,

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like getting something to the finish line,like you have to push it through.
But I feel like we do likeI would speak for a bit of my process
or my understanding,but a lot of times we do
like there's this big, big push of effortwhere the thing is almost done
and then you just like kind of sit
in that last 10 to 20% of workwhere you're like, okay, this
and to close this loop,I have to follow this.
I have to hit texture and lightingand the thing and you get through it

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and you're like, you can stay in thatlasts, like you set the tweaking space
or stay in that last, 20% of working for just like way too long.
And it's like,because you don't necessarily know,
you don't want to release itfor whatever reason.
You're like, I don't even know
if it's actually finishedor I don't know what the like.

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I don't know how to nameit as finished or is not finished.
And I think there is,
there's something to be said about thatbecause I definitely have done that.
I'm like, for me,I'm kind of lucky in that
many of the art pieces or practicesI have, or my creative practices

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have kind of instant in quotes, results.
When that when you're so enclosed,like you cut it, you sew it together.
It's a dress, you know, like, I don'tthere's I don't have to necessarily wait
like there is, there is hanging stuff to,you know, something you have to steam it.
Sometimes it's like waitingfor the materials to get together.

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Sewing does have a lot of prep,but it is in many ways.
It's a very active prepwhere you have to measure and cut and sew.
So like it.
It has a lot of active prep,but not as much like stillness and like,
you know, the other things I really dois theater where it's
just like, yes,there's a lot of waiting for an audience.
There's a lot of rehearsal.

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Again, it's a lot of deep preparation.
But once the thing is out there,that's it.
The audience is either with itor they aren't, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't have to.
Yeah. I don't have as much waiting.
I don't know what you mean. The, the,
Like like watching it.
At least from a, like, a 3D standpoint,

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watching it already textured and rendered
while you're making it is is,
I think it cuts a lot of the waitingdown.
Like, you still have toobviously still have to wait because,
you know, I've seen you like black stuffand like and like,
you know, you're just it's just dryingand it magic happens.
I don't really know what happens with it,

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but with, you know, on the 3D side
there is like, okay,so we have here's all the technical stuff.
First,which could take days to just to do.
Right. And then it's like, okay, great.
Now we're moving on to the lighting part
now we're moving onto the atmosphere part.
And now we hit the render buttonand you walk away and it could take

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it could still even with all of that,it could still take.
Like you said, like 100 hours.
You could do all that workand be 100 hours and then something,
something go wrong.
Then you want to blow upyour computer like, yeah, I,
I like to watch, you know, I like to watchcreative people doing creative things.
And so, I've kind of accidentallyfollowed a bunch of, potteries and

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ceramicists and somebody said that, like,you know, kilns are in many ways
to, like, ceramic Godand that you, like, do all this work.
You create this thing, you dry itand wait and dry it and have all the steps
and do it again, all the magic.
And then you just like,offer it to the kiln,
turn it onand then hope it like survives it.

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Like in some ways it's a set a very likeit's it really is in many ways a judgment.
Because if you didn't, you know,get rid of all the water.
If you didn't try the right,if you didn't make the thing thick enough
for thin enough, if you didn't trim,if you didn't, whatever.
Like it can go wrong in a variety of ways.
It's a viewing the kiln itself
as like the God of ceramics,where you have to like, offer

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like give your offering to it, wait,
and then open it up to see iflike they accepted your offering or not.
Right?
Is like the kind of it's it's a Riley.
Absolutely.
I mean, there's a reasonwhy that's a reason why kiln is a city
and forget every flower sacklike count as a city in Epic Flower.
It's like, did you have to bringan offering to like you can't?

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They don't open foreverybody. Did you bring something?
Okay, you got it.
And so yeah.
So I do see the difference between like
waiting productively and stalling.
And like part of it is like, reallymaking sure that, like,
you're letting it out into the world,whatever the thing is or that,

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that you're not just like holding on to itto basically kind of wait for feedback.
Like sometimesI feel like you get into that last 20%
or you're into this tweakingand you are selling
because you just don't want the worldto respond to it.
Absolutely.
The, I think what a lot of peopleand I won't say mistake,
but what they interpret as waitingis actually fear.

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Like like these are like, no,because if I just
keep tweaking, it'll be better.
And then but it's better by the standardsthat you're kind of putting out
that you don't have,a decent rubric of you
just have these standards and expectationsthat you have made.
Yeah. Better in a vacuum. Yeah.

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Where you're just like,I've made this idea of what better is.
And again, I'm not saying artistsdon't can't trust our instincts.
We talked about artistshaving their own discernment.
Like you gotta know what it is.
But then there's a moment where it hasto go out into the world in some way.
And one of the things I thinkcan get really dangerous in this,
like waiting period, is thatfolks are like, well, if I do this,
then these are all the thingsthat will happen for me.

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And then they get really resentfulbecause they poured their heart
and soulinto a thing that the world was like a
wine and or, you know, the
money and the, accolades or allthe opportunities like, didn't show up.
And then all of a sudden they're like,people just don't appreciate me.
And it could be that people don't get it.
Don't get it.

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I understand that, but like a lot of timespeople use the weighting
to try to avoid the risk.
That is
exposurethat's being seen as being perceived.
Yeah.
Using the weighting to avoid the risk.
Yeah.
It's just it's not ready yetI just can't it's it it

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it might not be but like whatyou're there's no version of that shit.
That's not going to be scary.
There's no version of theof the release into the world.
That's not going to be right.
Or for the,for possibility of both good and bad.
There are things going onin the production of the flour sack
right now that are very good,but also very much kind of in the wind.

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And hearing you say that, hearyou say that, that
there is no version of thiswhere it's not scary
is extremely like relaxing to me.
Yeah.
Well, yeah,I do think in the artists I've worked with
and I'm included in this measure,I've thought about this.
I do the thing where, like,I think sometimes we are waiting for,

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I'm trying to think of.
I wish I had a a better sound, but,like, in some ways, we're thinking of the,
like, level, complete soundwhen we've gotten something done.
Doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
Yeah yeah yeah.
Right where it's like the thing and like,it's like we were working on a project
and like, there's a momentwhere it's like, all right,
the flag goes up and the song plays,and then there's the fireworks.

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If you did it right.
Right. Yeah. And that never happens.
No. Like done isn't the doneisn't like a state where it's like,
oh yeah, this is finished orthis is right, or this is done well enough
to get all the thingsyou think you want to do.
Like, it really is about,have I taken all the advice that I need
or have I support, you know, have I,

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have I gone to the proper channels,have done the things I'm supposed to do?
Yeah.
And then there's a momentwhere you're like, all right
and done is a decision at that point doneis that's the thing
I don't think people get.
I think people thinkdone is a destination, right.
Well done is actually a decisionyou're cooking today.
And we just startedjust say but done right.

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But like done is the decision like okaythis has to be done enough.
This isthis is ready to go out into the world.
And sometimes it is like,not working on this anymore.
Right. It's like I've given it all I can.
How does it, how do I feel about it.
I don't even know how I feel about itanymore.
But I've, it's gotten what I need. Yeah.
And now I'm gonna releaseout into the world.
Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool.

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I have a question for you.
Let's do it.
Do you feel fill the waiting time
with other work or intentional resting?
There's an answer I want to say.
And then there's the answer that I doright, baby,
I would love to say, intentionally rest.

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I would also, frankly, love to say thatI feel it effectively with other work.
My problem is,I feel like I do the worst parts of both,
which is planning
to work on somethingthat I don't ever really start.
You know, I have a bunch of like, oh,I think I could do that, or I could think,
do this.
And I'm like,not necessarily being active.

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I'm going to be real with y'all.
I'm just we family we in here.
I like feel like I hit thislike stagnant space.
Like I I've talked about thisI haven't really gotten to so in a minute
I've been working on some likedrawing things,
which I'mprobably going to talk about later.
But I really
do feel like I haven't,like, jumped into another project.
I'm waiting for some things, to flesh out.

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And so I'm like, stuck in, stillness
that isn't either productive nor restful.
That is.
That is so unfortunate in that, like,and letting it be the realist.
Like, I could say something different,but the truth, the fact of the matter is,
I am kind of stuck in.

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right.
But yes, stuck in this like, space that,
again, is neither productive nor restful.
Where I like,have some half finished projects.
I have some things I have to get started.
I don't even have to do that.I should get started.
Probably it would. It would motivate me.
I would probably feel betterif I just started doing some things.
And so a lot of timesI do try to fill that with other work.

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I'm always trying somethingcreative or interesting or new.
I, I'm always thinking aboutnew things to try.
But have I, like,
intentionally, like sat down and donethings that are restorative?
Not quite.
And or have I, intentionally found,
like a new creative practicethat I'm putting my energy in?
Also, not quite. How about you tell,

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I also
feel like I'm not doingthe intentional resting
and the work that I do feel withdoesn't feel productive,
but it feels creatively inspiring.
So, like while I'm waiting for something,I'll work on another project
that I'm working on or like,I'll I'll flesh out a project

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that I had an idea for,or I'll, you know,
tweak something within the projectthat I'm currently working on.
Like, there's always something to do,but I do feel like I should be using
that time to rest because I'm not,and not in the sense that I need to rest.

(29:29):
Like, I'm I'm definitely not workingas hard as I was,
but I could probably be workinga little less.
Couldn't we all. Could be.
Who am I
gonna who am a shout out to KatieThompson. Van.
So good. Fantastic.
Which of your creative disciplines

(29:50):
has the most hurry up and wait moments.
So it's, it's 3D without even withI mean it's,
it's without even trying.
It's 3D again.
It's 3D.
It's and it's like probably like a closesecond is like graphic design waiting for,
like feedback or approvalswhen I was working for a corporate

(30:11):
like it's, but it's 100% 3D.
It's you do the thing,you push the button,
and now you just have to sit hereand wait.
It's real.
And, you know, watch pot spot don't boil.
So you gotta go do something else.
You gotta do it.
No, I gotta go do something else.
That's real.
Like, again,like I said, I'm in a lot of kind of,

(30:33):
Oh, here we go.
Yeah.
So, I'm in a lot of disciplines that are.
In many ways, like self-propelled,
like, I like I push them forward andand even theater.
Theater is definitely a hurry upand weight space, particularly

(30:54):
as the productions get biggerand you need more and more collaborators.
So it's like, all right,how do we get the team together?
You know, when do we hold auditions?All right.
This is six months away.This is the work they have to be doing.
Like, on their own to be learning linesand doing whatever.
Coordinating travel, like, it can be very.
All right.
I have a job months out,

(31:16):
so now I have to figure out what I'm doingright now.
If I don't have another job currentlyand then plan
and be ready for the jobthat's on the way out right?
Knitting is.
In some ways, hurry up and wait.
Like stitch by stitch, sweater by sweater.
You know, like you get to the T, it'sgenerally it can be anywhere from like.

(31:39):
And for me, I think the shortest I've donea sweater is been five weeks.
And I'm not I don't think I'ma particularly fast knitter.
I'm there are people who are much faster,
but there's onethat's taken me three months. I've.
I've some scarves.
I worked on for years that's like pick up,do a few stitches at a time and go,
and so in some waysthere's always something to do back,

(32:00):
but there is definitely a bit of hurry upand wait from, like,
I've conceived a projectto I'm finishing a project like,
you know, the like one of the hard partsabout sweater
knitting, I think, is sometimes
there's a moment in that last 80%where sweaters get really heavy and hot
because they're sitting on your lapand they're just you're holding them.

(32:20):
And so it's great to have a niceSeptember sweater, but you don't
necessarily want to be knitting a sweaterin August because it's like, get off me.
Just it's not like,this is not about that, right?
Because at that point,in many ways, it's very it can be a puppy
because you have just a big ballof all the
you have all of the yarnthat you've knit up to this point,

(32:43):
sitting on your lap trying to knit,but it's if it's hot, hot outside,
like that sweater is going to be perfectthe second it gets cold.
But right now,while I'm making it, it's hot.
And so then there are moments where like,okay, what is the timing?
Right?
And sometimesbecause it can take a long time, like
you want to knitsome of your winter things in the summer,
because you want them ready for winter.

(33:05):
Right.
And lastly there is
that that you mentioned blocking.
So blocking inknitting is where you either
steam or soak your project in theyou lay it out to dry.
Generally you can use thingslike blocking pins and, wires
to particularlyto let it dry into a particular shape.
And that can sometimes take a while, like,

(33:28):
you know, a heavy sweater laying, flat
drying can take a few days.
But like a shawl can sometimes take,you know, you can do it overnight.
Sometimes it.
So it just depends. But it also is like.
A way to like when you start a shawl,when you take a shawl or something
off of your knitting needles,like it really does look like just a ball

(33:48):
of wrinkly yarn, like you can seethe pretty in it, but like, stuff is.
It's a giant knot.
It's a series of knots
together, so it's all squishedand you don't always see the the beauty.
You have to have some imagination.
And I do like that.
Like, the blocking is a great momentbecause it in those ways,
it turns into the thing that you've,you've been imagining for however many

(34:11):
weeks you've been working on it.
So that's nice because that waiting islike I did all the work.
If I did itthe way I want it to, once it's dry, I'm
going to actually see all of that work.
But you don't necessarilysee it like immediately, immediately.
And, you know, sewing I,I like partially because of its immediacy.
There is very little waiting.
The waiting is in getting the supplies,

(34:31):
getting the yarn,getting the things like that.
The waiting is like pullingthe materials together.
But kind of once you have everything,you just do.
Now that's interestingbecause since everything is digital
in my discipline,once you have everything in your doing,

(34:52):
that's actually the longest part,like getting things.
If you can build things, that adds to it.
I don't have the skill currentlyto like build a lot of stuff,
so I get a lot of likeI get I'll get a lot of models
and things like that,but which cuts my time down.
But some people are like, no, it's faster

(35:13):
for me to build it than it isfor me to search for what I'm looking for.
And that's a skill that I've always,I've always liked.
But that feels like another like hurry upand wait moment where it's like,
okay, I have to roll it, scroll through 4or 5 different websites
to find what I need,and then I find what I need.
And now I can start working.
Yeah, I, I yeah,I have the opposite issue, which is like

(35:36):
it is the sourcing of the thing,but that can be hard,
especially now,you know, R.I.P. Jo-Ann fabric.
I think like a lot of the fabricpatterns are the patterns.
They might be going out like it'sit's it's an interesting moment right now,
but it is like part of the processis gathering materials.
Do I have enough yarn?
Do I have the right type of yarn?

(35:57):
As at the right weight for this thing,or do I have the right fabric
to do the thing?
It is one of the reasons whyI have brought more fabric than I can use.
I'm going to use it. Don't come.Nobody come for me.
It's mine, I bought it,but it is one of the reasons why,
when I'm looking at something new,I really do try to see what can I make
with what I already have,because the number of sewing patterns

(36:20):
I own is an obscene number that I won'tshare, especially since they're digital.
I just, I know that I can
I won't share that yet anyway,although if somebody guesses
if you believe in this,like I will, we'll see what happens.
I don't know, I'll send somebodya sticker, some type of internet accolade,

(36:40):
if you can guess how many patterns,how many sewing patterns I have.
I was gonna say something.
There is a thing that I,I would love to introduce you
to, and it isthis program called Marvelous Designer
and Marvelous Designeris a 3D sewing software
where you make clothesusing digital patterns in three.

(37:02):
It's how they do all the.
It's how they do all the clothes,clothing and games and movies.
We like to play around with that,but I think you do really.
I think it really love it.
They add they it's very cool.
I will show you.I will show you that it's very fun.
Fantastic. Yeah, we'll look at it.
But, okay.
So yes, gathering materials feels like a,a horror movie because, like,
if I don't have the right zipperfor a thing,

(37:22):
then I can't make that dress today,you know?
So I gotta go find it.
Or if it's like,all right, well, you need buttons.
The buttons, you can adjust it,but sometimes it's like,
the buttons can need to be this sizeor that size, like.
And it's also why I'm sure you know it.
The parent can tell you around, like,all the mess around my sewing studio,
but it's also why you buy packs of things.

(37:42):
Because, you know, if I
if I like this pattern and this patternrequires like an 8 to 10 inch zipper,
then I'm gonna buy a pack of 28to 10 inch zippers.
Right.
Not necessary each time,but it's like, okay, this other.
If I want to make this pattern again,
I have it, or somebodyelse will probably want something similar.
Right?
Or, you know, buttons,you just start collecting bits and bobs

(38:04):
because you never quiteknow what the pattern is going to need,
and then you need the things to finish it.
And one of the things I likedoing, really is figuring out like,
the materials I have for what I can do,like putting things together.
That's very cool.
That's very cool.
Fun.
And here's a fun question. Okay.

(38:26):
If you could have a waiting room montage,
song playing in real life,what would it be?
It feels the obvious answer here.
As I said, this final countdown.
Yeah,but I, I think about it for a second.
We're gonna let it ruminate.
Let it ruminate.
Okay, I don't knowif this is an appropriate song

(38:46):
in the sense of like, it's just a songthat, like, lets the time pass for me.
And I've just I've kind of come backto it, which is, so they can't do it
by, I don't think he calls himselfDanny Trumpet in the, in whatever anymore.
But with chants and all that, like,I've just been in that song.
I was like that song was just.

(39:06):
So what I like about that song. Why?
I think it's my good waiting room montagesong, is because it really is a song,
especially for chants,where you hear the possibility,
you hear the energy is likeyou kind of hear what's coming,
even though we don't knowwhat's coming like, I don't,
and I wish I had a better wayto explain it.
But like the energy of that songis just like I'm young,

(39:29):
I'm doing the thing that I love.
I'm having a great moments,like everything kind of got together
and you can hearwhat becomes coloring book,
you can hear what becomes like,you just kind of hear the possibility.
And like, I like that type of energy.
I like a songthat is where you're like, oh, right.
He was going to be,he's going to be a star.
Yeah.

(39:49):
And that you can hear the,
the, the future in that songin some ways that I really enjoy.
And so yeah, that that's the typeof energy I want in my waiting room.
Montage song.
My waiting room.
My entire song is definitely Sam's vibeby Duran banner.
It's very chill.
It's super cool.
It's, you know, the, the, linethe song starts.

(40:11):
Did you smoke today?
Have you have you yet put somethingin your stomach or have you have. Yes.
Have you yet put something in your stomachlike are you eating.
Do you how are you?What is your vibe like?
Are you. Let's relax for a little bit.
It's very much.
I knew it was going to be a Duran Bannersong, but I did not know what song it was.
But it's definitely Sam's vibe for sure.

(40:32):
Amazing. Oh, I love that so much.
Oh man, I was killing it out here.
Killing it.
Well, I think we're readythen to merge into a new segment,
a new segment and seven episodes in.
I'm sure you all are. Like,how many segments are there?
We have so many.
We have so many ideas.But this one we're really excited about.
And so our new segment is Learning Edges.

(40:59):
So learning
edges is where we level upone awkward step at a time.
It's the part of the showwhere we share what we're learning,
how it's going, and all the winsand faceplates along the way.
we really wanted to share with youall, like what it means
to be in process and stuff, like whatwe want to learn, what we're trying.
You know, we like to hit a tutorial.

(41:19):
We do, you know, turn and I do sitand watch all the media all the time.
But we also like are constantly tryingand figuring out new things.
And as opposed to just being like,oh, this is the thing, we figure it out.
Let's talk about what we're learningand where we're learning it in real time.
You you hit the nail on the head.
I'm constantly looking at tutorials
constantly like it's

(41:41):
I watch them like I watch movies,like I'm watching hours of tutorials.
The thing I'm currently looking atis this visual effects course,
by this 3D artist name.
His his name is rez, but he goes by box
D for a voxel,which is like a big thing in 3D.

(42:03):
And he has a major,
website, vox.com Vox
y d e.com, and he has courses,
both free and paid courseson specifically Houdini and the 3D,
visual effectsthings that that Houdini is capable of.

(42:26):
And it has been instrumental
to me as a, as an artist.
It is extremely helpful.
It's like 40 hours per, course.
He breaks down everything.
It's it's extremely helpful.
It's it's made me understandwhat it is to be,

(42:49):
production ready visual effects artists.
And I feel every day I walk, every day I work in Houdini, I feel more
and more confident in the programbecause it's a daunting program.
There's.
There's so much to doand there's no hand-holding.
There are a lot of like,okay, you go, dude, make the thing now.

(43:10):
And he has an intro to Houdini.
He has an intro to, you know, pyro introto, like rigid, like,
like destruction, an intro to particlesvolumes, like all the things.
And then he and those are all freeand they're like two hours
and you can just go to his websiteand you can just watch those.

(43:31):
And he has like, free,like project courses, like,
there's one where you can learnhow to make your own Patronus.
Which is very cool,
which is the thingI'm gonna figure out and do.
That's kind of awesome.
It's pretty cool.
The other is for J.K.
Rowling. For real? Forever?

(43:51):
Yeah. Forever.
That's.
I just want to be reallywant to be really clear.
That's important.
That that's importantto us on record. Yes.
But I've been really that that's that'sthat's like the first thing I open up
and then I'm like, locked in for like two,three hours.
I love it, it's awesome.
I find it super fascinating.
I do like to watch this tutorials, and I

(44:13):
love watching people
learn thingsI love, like engaging and new information.
I feel like it like createsgreat new wrinkly ridges in my brain.
Just it.
And there's like new neural pathways.
But my current learning learning
edge, right now is,
I'm trying to get intodigital illustration.

(44:36):
And like I will say, part of what is,why I'm so hesitant about
that is to like, live with who I considerreal artists.
Like, I'm not a visual.
I feel like I don't see the worldwith a visual lens,
and I wish that I know thatmaybe it doesn't make sense, because I do
very much actually see my eyeswhere mostly looking at the glasses.

(44:57):
But what I mean is like,you know, people like,
I my brain,I think we've talked about this
like the way I processinformation is kind of
in an understandingand or language based way.
I do better when I'm talking aboutthe thing or reading about the thing.
I don't it's hard for me
to see,like individual pieces of the world,

(45:20):
like it's somethingI kind of always admire filmmakers
where they're like, oh, they seeall the things like each piece, you know,
where every person is, everythingthat's in that frame, you can understand.
And what I get isan understanding of the frame.
Right?
I know that makes sense a little thing.
But if somebody is like,did you see like that lamp over there?
I didn't really have to go back

(45:41):
and watch and see it againand be like, oh, I see that there.
I understood the room was lit, right.
I understood what the people'srelationship was,
but like, I didn't see the likehow that frame mirrored this other thing.
Like, that's not how I work.
But so knowing that, like,I don't understand the world in pictures,
I'm, I've always been fascinatedby the capacity to draw and to make

(46:04):
to make particularly illustrations.
I really like, illustrationsand, texture design and that texture.
Sorry.
Typography, text,
design, those types of things I like, you know, typographic posters.
And so I do, and I love to experiencevisual art, but I also recognize
I just don'tI don't feel like I'm good at it.
And I live with people, namely,you know, Tyrone,

(46:25):
who is a filmmaker, visual artistin that way.
And one of my partners is an amazing,portrait artist working largely in oils.
He has some great art.
And so then there's me who comes in drawn
like stick figures and I'm like,but I want to do more.
So my learning edge really has beenin working in digital illustration, but,
really with an eyefor, surface and textile

(46:48):
design, like,I really my dream is to kind of design
some fabric that I then turn into a dress
I made or an outfit I made, like I'm
trying to, like, see what it would be
to make, like, a dope plaid.

(47:09):
That is mine.
And then, like, bittersweet at itor something like that.
I just, you know, I love trying to learn.
Yeah, I love that so much.
I think it'd be so cool.
So, yeah, but I'm trying tojust get into digital illustration,
with the concept of,like, working toward surface design.
And by that, you know, like the funpatterns that appear on, like,

(47:31):
your water bottles or on your phone casesor stuff like on surfaces,
those types of repeating patternsand, textiles that can be, you know,
anything from actual wallpaper to,
fabric to, industry
type of industry.
But I just, I always look at it and like,I feel like I have a really good eye

(47:52):
for like, color.
I love really bright things.
I and a lot of my,
in the compliments I get on
my clothes are that just about,you know, they feel cool and all that.
I, I'm, I'm good at playing aroundwith how patterns like fit on the body
and how colors go together, in waysthat people don't necessarily consider.

(48:12):
And so I want to just turn that into like,
what would that meanto like generate my own thing?
What would it do?
And again, all of my creative mediumshave very been very much
been about reflections of my extroversion.
So it's like,what do I do to talk to people?
What do I do to be seen with people?
What do I do to like,yes, that's external.
And so I view illustration

(48:35):
and or drawing and visualart as a means to.
Have an internal process.
What is what how do I get what's going oninside into something visual.
And I find it really hard.
But why do you think it's hard?
I don't know why it's hard.
It's just.
It's like I wish it's it'shard for me to like.

(48:59):
Like you said, my eye, because I don'tmy brain doesn't process things visually.
So I have to, like, consciously be like,what shape is that?
Where is?
Because, like,my brain looks at a building
and it's a giant rectangle, right?
My ends like the way,yeah, my brain works.
It's like, that's a building.
And drawing is like,no, that's a rectangle.

(49:20):
Or is it even a rectangle?
Yeah.
Is it like, you know, a dome?
What are the window shapes?
So that like, it's hardbecause I have to like in some ways it's
like I'm really good at seeing the forestand now it's like, no, okay.
But what is that individual tree?
And my brain is like,bitch, what is he doing?

(49:41):
That's that I you get it?
And I go, why is you here?
It's you here.
Because I think one of the thingsthat has made me,
one of the skills that I thinkI've been most employed for
is kind of really quick,full understanding, right?
Where I can see a bunch of thingsand, like,

(50:04):
I'm good at, like, in chaos, like,if there's a bunch of things going
on, bunch of ways I can like, look at itin my brain, like Minority Report style
shorts, it sets it down. Right.
And that's a skill that I reallyI enjoy having.
But and his, I think gotten me to througha lot of things in my career
where my brain can see
a bunch of informationat once and source it,

(50:25):
and then again gets to a deepunderstanding fairly quickly.
Drawingforces me to have to look at each thing.
And and see how those elementsare playing together.
And my brain is like, but we like alreadysolved the puzzle in some ways, actually,
that's the metaphor, where it's like,I'm good at seeing all the pieces,
seeing the puzzle.Now I see the full picture.

(50:47):
And drawing is like, okay,but what you have to like
undo a puzzle piece by piece, right?
And my brain is like,but we put the puzzle together,
I don't understand, I don't understandwhy we're doing this, but this is the way.
And so, yeah.
And so I've been looking atjust a variety of, of tutorials as well.
But I'm really working, in affinity Designer.

(51:08):
I really like affinity.
Which I kind of got a few years agojust as an alternative to Photoshop,
because I didn'tnecessarily want to be in the deep
Photoshop subscription culture,and we are in other ways.
But I was like,
especially since I'm a casual illustratoror a casual player in it.
I was like,
I don't know if I can do

(51:29):
a monthly subscription here, but I do wantsomething that has like the tools.
And so I've just been on YouTubefollowing all the affinity spaces,
and I've been watching people like a
there's a dude
whose name I can't remember,but who has made a pitch that I've watched
him make like four times. Oh yeah.
Because I'm like trying to it's like,oh, right, these are the pieces.
This is how this goes. The.

(51:51):
So yeah.
So my learning intro to thisis really about trying to get into surface
and pattern design.
Fantastic incredible incredible.
Shout out to covered whole dimension 20.
Lou just playing Montgomery.

(52:12):
Lamb Montgomery Montgomery lamb Montgomerybest Navy and Carol.
Right.Well my favorite character of all time.
But just the way he says incredible.
It's like incredible incredible.
And there's so many different ways.
Classic watchI know we probably do a different drop out

(52:32):
shootout in a different way every time,but watch him into 20.
Watch Lou Wilsonbe Montgomery lamb Montgomery watch.
Clever how it's okay. It's fantastic.
It's in fact incredible and
incredible.
So stupid.

(52:54):
You know time is not caught.
It is. It's the heart and soul that time.
It's the real time.
Real time time.
It's show time.
It is show time.
It is time for work hard. Play hard,
don't work
hard, play hard, baby duhduh duh duh duh duh.

(53:14):
Yes, yes.
We're still sticking with this.
Like waiting. Like what is waiting?
But more in likethe tactical ways of waiting.
How do you wait in your process?
So I have a couple questions.
You know, question that I would liketo start with is how do you use waiting

(53:34):
time to set the tablefor the next phase of your project?
And that's a great question.
Well, one of the ways I said,
and you get to go back to like, eithersewing or knitting is like.
In in buying, it's like, okay,
this project needs x, so it's buttons

(53:56):
or yarn of this type or whatever.
So let me take like 5 to 10 minutesand think 2 or 3 projects ahead.
Right.
So like for example, yeah,if I'm buying yarn for a sweater or buying
yarn for a shawl, is there the next shawlthat might be able to get me, like,
I don't know, whatever deal or freeshipping or something like that, right.

(54:18):
Which is so I'm not necessarily,you know, and sometimes, yes,
I have a bit more yarn than I needsome days looking
a little bit at my stash,but sometimes it's like, okay, well,
as opposed to making likefor a little purchases over
a two month period, sometimes it's like,all right,
I'm going to buy the yarnfor this thing right now.

(54:39):
Or if I need,
Thread
or fabricor something making this purchase.
Is there something elseI need to purchase?
That's that I need immediately?
But I know I'mprobably also in need in the future.
And so sometimes it is.
It really is just taking a moment to see
what are the thingsthat I'm thinking about.

(55:00):
And I don't overcommit,
but it is like, all right, this is whatI'm buying for this thing right now.
This is what I need to gather.
These are the resources I need to get forwhat I'm doing right now.
What is the way or what is the way?
I may need it for afor the next project or the project after.
Now that's super.
That's that makes a lot of senseto where you're just like,
I want to say buying in bulk,but probably not so much buying in bulk,

(55:22):
but like buying what you need per projectand looking ahead at,
okay, if I want to do this eight monthsfrom now and I can get $20 worth of fabric
for $10, we just going to buy
$40 worth of fabric, right?
Yeah. Like sometimes it's like that.
Or I will shout out another placethat I really like.

(55:44):
It's, Fabric Mart.
They're based out of Pennsylvania.
They have really great online shop.
I've got so much fabric.
Just.
I love it so much.
But they have, like, a daily deal.
Well, they have different, categoriesof fabric, that are alphabetized.
And so, like, frequentlyit's like A through G will be this

(56:07):
and then H through whatever will be theseand like things like,
you know like denim is indieand like silk is an s and whatever.
And so sometimes they'll just literallyjust break up the alphabet
and be like middle of the alphabeton sale today, which y'all got.
That's also, you know, it's asometimes it's like, okay,
you know, I talk about suits,because it usually it's like one of my

(56:29):
big project dreams that I haven't quitegotten to is making a suit.
I have, I've made jackets,I've been coats,
I've made almostall of the pieces of a suit,
but I have not, like,made a full size, made a full suit yet.
Right.
But I do know I want to do that. Right.
And so when I'm shopping for fabric,
like I would be on FabricMart and I would look for wool

(56:50):
because it will suit as it will suitand that's that's great.
And so it's like okay, well if wearthis will stay the week around.
All right I know I want wool at some pointto make this suit.
So when the wool is on sale I lookand you know, blue is my favorite color.
So sometimes and they do, fabric doeswhat it's called mostly deadstock.

(57:11):
If you're unfamiliarwith Deadstock, audience,
so big fashion houses, fabric
printers, whatever they all make,sometimes sample fabrics,
or sometimes they just make runsand they don't use all of it.
Okay. Right.
Like or sometimes like there'sa fabric print that you see in store
and they made for different colorsto test.

(57:35):
Two of the colorswent to got made into garments
that were sold,but the two other colors didn't.
What happens?
Like a lot of times that fabric can be, sent to like landfills or whatever.
Deadstock is where that excess fabric
where, like the printer doesn'twant it anymore.

(57:55):
Or again, that print is old,so they just have extra.
They aren'tgoing to make anything out of it.
Can go to fabric resellersbecause it's not going to be made again.
It was already made.
They have kind of a a limited quantityand I say limited because it's
like, again, they aren't making more,so it can be kind of one of a kind
or a limited quantityor just kind of out of print stuff.

(58:18):
So you can't always chooselike you can't always go
like if you're getting like new fabrics,some places you go and you're like,
I know I want this exact shade of bluein this material.
Deadstock is like,here's the type of material we have.
These are the prints we have.Take it or leave it.
Gotcha, gotcha.
And so it's great because one it'sforced me to it previously force me to buy

(58:39):
just stuff that I probably wouldn'thave known I wanted.
It's like now I get to see.
But anyway, I would browse the like
wool knowing I want to shoot eventually.
And was waiting for, blue woolbecause that's my favorite color
and that's the one I want.
It's like, okay, I don't need it today,but if that's on sale

(58:59):
and if it's the right colorin the right amount, great
that I can pick upwhen I make the suit will happen.
You know, I know I want to do that,but it's more like, okay, using this time
to having this visionof what it looks like, but
being able to then go to a spacewhere it's like they have a sale.
Oh, look, a blue woolthat I really like showed up here.

(59:21):
So I was I'm getting it, right.
And now and I know it's on the sale thing,so like sometimes it really is
just holding possibility and like,I've got it.
I can make it when I want to, I can,if I like, focus, I could get it there.
But it's easy because again,I told you earlier the issue,
the hardest part about sewing inmany ways is getting the things you want.
Yeah, yeah.

(59:43):
So if you can start it.
Okay, I have the thing now.
I can come up with a plan. It works.
know that's super.
That makes a lot of sense.
That makes a lot of sense.I've been sitting here like, thinking.
I'm like,how do I set the table for the next phase?
And I think when I'm waiting,
I'm definitely, like, popping in and,you know, writing an episode

(01:00:05):
or do coming up with a character
or like trying to keep withinthat, space,
especially if, like,I'm working on like epic, like I'm like,
okay, we'll bring in, let's, you know,maybe we bring up a new town
or like some type of new culture or like,I'll research like animation styles,

(01:00:25):
to keep the creative processgoing towards that project.
But obviouslyI'm waiting for something else to happen.
So I can't currently work onwhat I'm working on right now.
And the processseems very similar to where it's like this
could be helpful down the line, more
so than likethis is going to help right now.

(01:00:49):
But yeah, I feel very similar.
Like, obviouslyI'm not like, buying characters and
and who to to sayswho says I'm not yet like, that's that's
I'm sure that's the thing I need to like,you know, maybe think about one today.
But, right now the,
the like group or bulkpurchase is definitely the ideas of

(01:01:12):
just like creating a bunch of charactersand then figuring out where they go.
And if they show up later,they show up. Now.
So that'show I've been using my like, time
to, to move on to the next phase.
Now that's great.
I think what's one high value, low
urgency tasks can you keep on standbyfor these in-between periods?

(01:01:35):
It's character profiles.
Character.
Yeah, it's because it's it's easy.
It let me say that it's simple.
And I can kind of diveas deep as I need to while I'm waiting.
So it's also for, like, a taskI can just kind of pop out
when I need to to go backto working on what I was working on.
But it's like thatand it's profiles in general.

(01:01:56):
So it's not just characteris it's weapons, it's cities.
It's it'sjust building the world piece by piece,
which allows me to be more,
mindful of the,
citizens of the world that we're buildingregardless of what show we're working on.
For me,it tends to be digital organization

(01:02:17):
of some sort where it's like,you know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna clean out my desktop,or I'm going to, like, reorganize my files
or make sure that, like,the things that I needed, you know,
all these downloads are gone or movedor somewhere.
That's something I should be doing.
So I like thatanswer much better than what I'm doing.
That's fit.
I like what you're doing too, but I am.

(01:02:40):
So I, I think one of the thingsthat I'm surprisingly disciplined about,
working from home, is
I try to batch sitting at my computer,
like,setting my computer time, so that, like,
if I'm working at a computer,then that's what I'm doing.
And then when I get up, I'm done, right?

(01:03:00):
Like, I try not to,
I do have my iPad.
I do like, try to try to go,but I try to be like,
really clear about, like,if I'm working, Peter, I'm doing work.
And so it's helpful
to do my digital organizationif like I need to be like if,
you know, if I'm logged in to my work dayand maybe I'm waiting for something,

(01:03:21):
waiting for feedback, waiting, you know,
there's just a moment where I'm like,not immediately active.
It's like,okay, well, supposed to getting up
because if I get up,I messed up being focused.
Right.
So as opposed to as opposed to getting up,I'm going to go through it's like, okay,
well we're all the associated filesfor this thing.
Have I made sure.
Have I put them all togetherlike where are all the oh,

(01:03:42):
there was this email that was supposedto also go in this, did I do that?
Did I go through?
And so then it's like,all right, let's go through.
Let's go through the checklist.
Did I finish everything?
Did I check it all off.
Because sometimes I'll do the thingand not necessarily
check off the checklist, which I knowcan be anathema to some people,
but it happens.
So it's like,all right, I did all these things.
I followed up, it's like, okay.
And so then like my,my step really is it's high value

(01:04:06):
because it keeps me like cleandigitally at the.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
But it is kind of low urgent low urgencybecause sometimes it's like,
okay, it's a thing that I don't need,but it gets me through the waiting period
until there's like the next bitof feedback or the next bit of,
stimulus or responseor thing I have to respond to,

(01:04:28):
and it keeps my like,digital life a little bit more clean.
I should probably do that more.
I'd, I guessI it's one of the first things I do in
the morning is like, kind of clean upall my temporary files and like
do like a good scrubbing of my computer.

(01:04:49):
But it's something I should do,
like digital filesI absolutely need to go through.
And just like,okay, we're not using this anymore.
Why is this here?
This is this is just a word documentthat has the on it like.
Why why is this saving?
Why is this this here?
Why is this here?

(01:05:10):
I do love a good goingthrough Google Drive
and being like untitled document,untitled document, untitled document
where you're just like, okay,all of them have nothing, nothing on them.
And they have it,have nothing on it from three years ago.
There's nothing on this document.
Why is it still here?
What is this? Untitled? Everything.I've done that. Yeah.

(01:05:33):
And so I try to get rid of those.
Yeah. That's the thing I need to do.
I need to go through and do that.Oh, man.
all right.
We've done a lot of work hard,and we just play hard.
How are we feeling? Let's playhard. Yes. Play hard.
Let's do it.
What's your favorite micro break ritual?
To reset your brain in under ten minutes?

(01:05:53):
That's a good question.
It's probably put on a song.
Oh, yeah.
Probably just something.
And I've said this, I think I said thislast episode, but I'll say it again
in that like, probably the harder,more serious the tasks, the more, more
ratchet the music is, the more ratchetthe music I love.
So it is probably some dumb song.

(01:06:16):
So probably a song that I probablyI, that I would not claim on the podcast
that I would ask me sexy to play it.
Right. It's not.
It's I'm not, you know, I don't know sexy.
Well, I'm not gonna say anythingbut like, no, but admit it,
but I recognize, okay, I'mgoing to say the song that I like
recognizing that I actually think T.I.

(01:06:36):
is objectively kind of a bad person.
So. Okay, okay, I'm going to say that.
It's also fuck 12 if ever, right?
For forever.
No, but I'm but I will say and whatever Itheir variety, their stories,
their reasons why I don't knowto have never met it, but.
My song is make itlove to the beat from the Trojan Horse
by watch the duck into as large as a duck.

(01:06:59):
That is probablyif there's a song that I just want.
Where I just need to be amped.
Where I just want like the energy.
Also just admitting all the things say
apparently I love petty music.
Okay, some of my favorite songs.
The lyrics are people beingobjectively awful to each other in clever

(01:07:24):
ways, like, you know, like thinkingabout the dozens or whatever.
And so making loveto the beat kind of hits all of my secret
shame things, because the, the storythe men portrayed in it are toxic.
Right? I of I want to be really clear.
Yeah.
There's a rant in the middle, which is.

(01:07:45):
Okay, look,I'm gonna say I think it's hilarious,
but there's a rant in the middlein which T.I.
at all in verse, all rapping.
cusses out the woman he's trying to see,
and it's like it starts.
That will fine go hang out with that dude.
I really want to anyway.
And then the next lineshe clearly like, does.

(01:08:07):
And then he gets really weirdand possessive and it's
the switch is so ridiculous. Yeah.
It's funny.
Yeah. It's wild.
It's great song wild.
And so yeah.
So that is one of my favorite micro breakwhich was finding is a song that I find
humorous because like I will say my other song,
I have several examples of songslike this,

(01:08:27):
but like when my other one is, Prince'sThe Marrying Kind.
I talk about this song a lot.
And if you haven't read if you haven'theard The Marrying Kind, it's
a great song, but the song isin fact Prince as a character.
The story of the song is Princetalking to his friend and his friend
is about to break up with the friend'sgirlfriend.

(01:08:48):
Their friend is about to break upwith his girlfriend,
and Prince is telling the friend,you are welcome to break up with her.
This is how I'm going to date her.
When you leave immediately, immediatelyyou're going to break up with her,
and then I'm going to go comfort herand tell her that I tried to talk
you out of it.
This conversation right here,the one we're having right now,
I'm going to tell her about that,to sleep with her.

(01:09:11):
One of my favorite linesis she's going to miss you.
At first,then she's going to buy me things.
That's
what she says, which is to his friend,her ass.
It's great. I, I love that song.
I againI recognize it's politics are toxic.
I want to name thatlike so don't come for me

(01:09:33):
talking about whatI'm promoting or whatever.
No, I'm I'm not.
But you want to know my real life favoritemicro break ritual is to probably find
a toxic song where somebody is being bothclever and terrible on top of a dope
beat, with some excellent musicianshipand getting amped.
That is that, like,helps reset my brain minute.

(01:09:55):
I think it's the I think it's the overlayof like talent and foolishness.
I think it's just the break.
There's a variety of things, but it issomething that will like, get me going.
Because I think it's hilarious.
The overlay of talent and foolishness.
Easily one of my favorite thingsyou've ever said.
Easily.
You know, the juxtaposition.

(01:10:16):
Oh, look, I know, I know who I am.
I know y'all can judgeme if you want to. All right.
Who am I?
What's your favorite microphone?
I don't know, man. That was really good.
My favorite thing is I enjoy again, I'm.

(01:10:37):
I'm about to.I guess I'm also modeling myself.
I enjoy watching people
play Call of Duty, specifically.
Kind of angry white dude doing comedy.
It kind of resets my brain
a little bit of, oh, we're herejust being being secretly shameful.

(01:10:58):
Just like, don't tell nobody.
And little bit backstory.
I used to work as a qualityassurance tester for Activision,
so I played Call of Duty every dayfor like two years straight.
It was a really great job.
It was super hard, like on the Body,but I really enjoyed it.
And I got pretty good at Call of Dutyand I started watching people play.

(01:11:20):
I this is I got introduced into streamers,playing Call of Duty
and for some reason it just stuck.
And like, I watch, like, you know,I watched the brothers play Call of Duty.
I'm all in it. I give them the likes.
I do all of the things, butthere's a couple of white dudes I'll watch
and these bugs will get so mad.
I'm like, fantastic, thank you.

(01:11:42):
I'll watch around.
Incredible, incredible.
And then I'll watch around,
and then I'll go back to my workor I'll have them on in the background.
It's it's just it's so funny to meand I'm just like, you're so angry.
It's a video game.
This is coming from person who has spenttheir entire life, their entire career.

(01:12:04):
Every waking momenthas been to make a video game.
And I'm like,but remember, guys, these are toys.
They're toys.
And yeah, I think there's something aboutjust like watching letting them
like, witness their rage and be like, no,I don't feel that at all.
I'm good for you at all.
That's why I'm not a good streamer, man.
I just, I lock inand I just get real quiet.

(01:12:26):
Y'all, y'all, I want to, I want toI don't want to hold you.
Don't don't don't.
No. Because I love my brother.
I want that to be very clear.
I'm on record and I love his streams.
But Tyrone is never less talkative
than when he's trying to streama video game.
And it is the funniest thing to mebecause I think he can stream.

(01:12:48):
I think we can figure it out, who knows?
And also, you know, always comment.Let us know.
Do you want us to have a stream?
Because I thinkwe could have a funny stream
where Tyrone is playing a video game,
and then I'm making himexplain some of the stuff to me.
I would trying to get that fun.I could do that.
That would be a good timewhere I'm just like, okay, what is that?
Why are they doing this? What's going on?
But the thing that's going to
and I do understand video,I do understand video games.

(01:13:09):
I want to be clear.
We're not video games.
I'm not a I'mnot a gamer in the same level Tyrone is.
But I'm also not I'mI'm definitely not a noob. Right.
But I do think that could be it.
But I just it just cracks me upbecause I've known him his entire life.
His actual whole life, and he is neverquieter than when he's streaming.
And I've just like people, this is yougot to say something to the camera, bro.

(01:13:33):
Refused.
Just excellent.
Who's playingthat? He's killed the video game.
But I'm like some you have to say words.
We need more words from you.
I just I don't know what happens.
I just get there.
And I think it's because gaminghas always been an escape for me.
I always I've always consumed myself inthe world that I'm, that I'm playing in.

(01:13:56):
And same thing with film.
Like that's why I can, like,I can watch, like a film.
That doesn't make any sense visit wise.
I'm looking at you Fastand Furious movies, and I can be like,
oh, great, physics doesn't existin this world that I can do that now.
And some people can't do that.
But gaming has always been a thingwhere it's like, I am now.

(01:14:16):
This person living in this worldwith this set of rules.
And so I dive super into itand and then I stop talking
when I realized, you can't
do that when you're screamingbecause people want to hear you talk.
It's I mean, like, it makes it funnyif like, I will offer the thing.
One of the things I'm bad at is I'mnot a good improviser.

(01:14:37):
If improv iswhat we're supposed to be doing, I am.
I think I'm a quick person and like in
real life, I am moving, shaking, whatever.
And the second somebody is like,and again, and I'm a trained actor,
and the second somebody is like,this is an improvization scene.
My body locks up.
I don't I have no idea what to do.
I don't know what things mean.

(01:14:59):
I don't know how to behave likea human anymore.
Like I.
And it's weirdbecause again, actor put me on stage
and or give me like,it doesn't have to be a script,
but like give me a keynote,give me a topic I can talk probably
for 45 minutes around the thing,especially if I know about it,
probably 20 minutesif I don't know about it.
Like they can fake it, but 45 minutes.

(01:15:21):
So now I can gowithout breaking a sweat, right?
But the second somebody is like,you're at a scene. Yes.
And and I'm like, I don't.
What are were her words?
What are our hands?
What do we do staring at your hands?
I don't know what it is.
So I will aim.
You're not the only one out herewho just has a thing that they're like,

(01:15:43):
that they kind of should be great at.
Because, like, you have all the tools.
I feel like I have all the tools I enjoy.
I love video games.
And I get in there and I just,I just clam up.
Yep. Nope. And yep, nope. That's me.
That's me in an actual improv scene,I can't I don't get it.
It's good to knowthat it's hereditary then.
So that's how it is. Yeah. It's weird.We have to for things. Maybe.
So maybe you should try improvand I should try screaming.

(01:16:05):
Hey, maybe we'll figure it out.
Stupid.
We are so stupid.
We are doing it.
I feel I feel really good about that.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I think we did go ahead andhit you with them closing arguments, baby.

(01:16:26):
Go to units.
Bang, bang.
Not all of that is, but.
Oh, Yama.
Yeah, that has been. Workhard. Play hard.
This has been episode seven of Hustling with Harges seven episodes.
Seven episodes.
Y'all. Y'all have stuck with us.

(01:16:47):
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We appreciate all of you
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We really like. We're into it.
Yeah.
Also,if you're coming, if you're coming to us,
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Thank you for joining us.

(01:17:08):
Yes, welcome to the shoot it.
Yes.
We are having a good time.
All right.
Our next episode,
we think we're going to talk aboutwhat it means, what's going to happen,
and out of control.
It's going to be the Fantasy Islandepisode, right?
Lifestyles of the Rich.
Ridiculous, ridiculous.

(01:17:29):
Like, right, you're going to fall.
Lifestyles of the Rich and famous.
Like what happens when we get the thirdyacht, right?
We are just.
Sky's the limit, right?
Oh, I get so excited for this episode.
Yeah, yeah. Forget sayinggrounded in reality.
We're going to talk about like,how do we write?

(01:17:49):
You know, maybe sleep with somebody'shusband and then he sends us to space.
Who knows?
Who knows.
We talking about
sex, right?
You know,you know who I'm talking about, y'all.
Now, I'm trying to get that $45million penthouse on Central Park West.
Nice.

(01:18:10):
I look years ago, years, years ago.
I don't even knowif they still have this anymore,
but I know they don't have cribs anymore.
But it was on cribs.
It's cribs.
I do miss cribs.And it was Ice-T and Coco.
Oh, okay.
I remember thisepisode and Ice-T had a convertible pool.
Yeah, he hit the thing and the like.

(01:18:31):
The glass doors wentand so it was raining.
It was an indoor pool.
And and when it wasn't raining and it wasit was an outdoor pool.
And I, I've been thinking about thatfor decades.
Yeah. Absolute decades.
I can't even remember.
I can't even find that video.
But like indoor outdoor pool is like

(01:18:53):
the move, man.
It's just like sitting.We'll talk about a thing.
It just sits in my head like one day
it's going to one dayit's going to happen.
So yeah.
So, you know, y'all want to be here
for our next episode where we talk aboutballing out of control.
Tara won't share them socials.
You already know what time it is man.
Everywhere we are at hustling with hardedges everywhere.

(01:19:16):
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Okay, I'll step granddaddy houseand y'all step granddaddy house.
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favorite cousin right at the barbecuewe had a cookout hustle with Hargis.
Right. Recipes, rib shack, by the way,

(01:19:37):
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(01:19:59):
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Ball out of control.Well I'm so excited for this.
I know I'm going to be ridiculous on that.
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We're going to have a good time alreadyy'all.
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