Sinny Sin Sin: A Deep Dive Into Sinners, Inspiration, and Media that Made Us

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Hey y'all.
Welcome to this episode of Hustlingwith Harges.
I'm Courtney, theater maker,
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Courtney,we are back with another episode.
Yes we are.
Episode two. Baby, you get work.
You making it work?
Figuring it out.
Yeah. So, Tyrone, just how are you doing?
I'm doing good, man.I'm doing really good.
I turned 35 on Friday, but what?

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Old as I call it, this is my 39 year.
But I'm good, I'm good.
I had a really I had aI had a good birthday.
It was very it was very well needed.
Oh, good. Yay! Support. Yay! Birthdays.
Yay, birthdays. How about you?
I am also doing well.It was a nice weekend.

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I got to, see a movie that we are goingto spend a lot more time talking about.
And I need.
And, I got to hang out with some friends.
Just it was a really nice, mellow,
like, deeply connected weekend
and kind of that deeply connected.

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Yeah.
I just got to be with people,which was fun.
Well done.
We are going to startwith our first segment.
The Media That Made Us. Welcome to mediathat made us where we crack
open the vault of TV shows,video games, comics, movies and albums
that shaped our brainsand broke our hearts.
From Saturday morning cartoonsto late night mixtapes,

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these are the cultural cornerstonesthat built the Harges you see today
and today's media that made us
is Sinners okay?
Absolutely. Sinners.
Sinners going to be sinners.
It's good to be sinners forever.
Sinners. And yes, yes, that just came out.

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Yes, it is just now on streaming.We we know all of that.
You know all. Yeah.
No it is it is fundamentally changedwho I am as a person.
I think it is
sinners was so good.
And it's at this pointwe're going to spend the next however
long, talking about, Senator Tim,
deep dive analysis and our reflections.

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This will not be a spoilerfree discussion.
No no no no no no no,
please go to the next segmentif you're not interested.
We'll be sure to include,some timestamps, for you.
So I that
we about to spoil the shitout of this. Awesome.
We're about to spoil the shit out of thismovie.
Hey, cousins.

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We're about to dive into spoiler territoryfor sinners.
If you haven't seen it yetand want to keep the twist
intact, skip aheadto 3833 to keep your ears spoiler free.
We'll meet you onthe other side. It's so good.
It's so good.
It's it's completely changed who
I am as a filmmaker.

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And it's like a creative.
It's it's shot beautifully. Let
okay.
Let me pull back a little bit.
Let me pull back a little bit.
We have some questions.
What is your takeaway from Sinners?
So first we loved it.
Second, we didn't see it together.

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So, to our listeners, it's worth itknowing that
we haven't gotten to talk to each otherabout this fully outside of this space.
And, so we're very excitedto have this conversation.
And, the last thing
is that, like,Ryan Coogler, Coogler slander, just like,

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will not be tolerated,will not be tolerated.
I don't I understandnobody is above reproach.
We can offer critique.We could do all of that stuff.
And that's all that is true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Ryan Coogler could do no wrong.
Everything he every choice he made wasthe correct one was the correct choice.
And that's just that's just what it is.

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And if Ryan Coogler doesn't have siblings,guess what?
He got two more.
He got them. We in there.
He is in in the hard factwe are here about Ryan in front of me.
We don't have a problem.
So before we jump into takeaways,I told them fiction is it is just
it's a beautiful filmthat is about so much more than vampires.
The movie.

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Even if vampires weren't in the movie,
it would still be a wonderful,beautiful masterpiece.
Absolutely.
But it is a deep meditationwhich I know sounds so cheesy,
but it is a meditation on ownershipon who you allow
to have access to your story, onwho you allow to have access to your art,
and what it means to let

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people in to your space.
Right.
And one of my like strong takeaways aroundthe message
is that like fellowshipmeans something different to everyone.
Everyone. And
the villains who are very clearly villainswant to be clear.
They're not complicated villains.
They are not now,anti-hero situations like villainy.

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And they believedthat they were doing something positive.
And I think that was amazing.
Yeah.
Because they were destructive
and clearly violentbecause vampires are vampire and hostile
and they still thought they were doingsomething helpful.

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Yeah.
And I think as a metaphor for how culturalappropriation works as a metaphor for,
for extractive capitalism,as a metaphor for,
artistic compromise.
I think it was amazing,the fact that they were offering
something they thought was good.
I also think the fact that the Irishfolk music was beautiful was important.

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When important.
It was it.
It was. Yes, it was dissonant. Yes.
I mean, and also music direction.Just magic.
I just, what?
But I think there is something to be saidabout how the,
the things they were offeringwere clearly negative
and also not inherently negative,like the music was not uninviting.

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Yeah, right.
Extremely inviting. Right.
The music was well played,like they were musicians and
they had monsters.
Yeah.
And what they had to trade for that art,what they had to like the idea
of absorbing the storytellersinto this hivemind,

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into this historical Borg, is,
historical Borg
fantastic is both terrifying and amazing.
Yes. Because not every villain
you encounter says villainous things.
Some of them do, but they had no point.

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At no pointdid they offer violence and destruction.
That's not what they saidthat they were giving it.
They made it a point to saykindness, fellowship, love, family.
They said all of that thing
while they were actively destroyingall of those things.
Yeah.
I need people to understandwhat that looks like in real life.
And the explanation you just did ofthat is phenomenal.

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I was like,oh, this is Courtney. Courtney there.
It's smart y'all. I,
we are very
sorry to get there,but it's it's exactly what it is.
It's it's this sense of like how you saidlike the, the idea of who
you are inviting into your space,into your community, into your life
in, in, in any way the the conversations

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you have that even the language barriers
that come with it, like whenand you know, we're going to get deeper.
But when Stack or Smoke is like,
y'all clan? and Remmickbeing Irish has to kind of do
this mental gymnasticshe's got to do to be like, we're not.

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Oh, you mean these like, n–, no, no.
Like yes, we're we're family
because that's what clan meansa very different thing to me.
And continued spoiler alert.
They also were Klan.
And twothen it's going to be more than just two.

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It's I have so many thingsI want to talk about.
There are moments
where, like when you seeone of the first shots you see is the,
the like, the Mississippi Delta sunjust beaming on to the camera.
But it makes two red eyes,which just and it's a split second.

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It's like one of the first shotsin the movie in your like.
I mean, Ryan Cooglerjust knows how to make great movies.
He's the combination of like,movie and film.
Ryan Coogler makes filmsand also appreciates audiences.
He remembers that audiencesshow up to these things.
Somebody has to watch this thingthat you make.

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Absolutely.
And a lot of filmmakersget so caught up in what they've made
that they don't always rememberthat somebody has to, like,
watch your 4.5 hour silent meditationon something, you know,
like, he's so good at understandingthat the movie experience,
the film experience is a conversationbetween filmmaker and audience.

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And I don't think he ever actuallytalked down to his audience
like he makes things accessible,complex ideas, without dumbing them down.
He just walks you through the work,he walks you through his storytelling.
And it is it's phenomenal.
Everybody in this movie is good.

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Everyone
you like, everybody in this movie is good.
Delroy Lindo as Delta Slim is
is probablymy favorite character in the movie.
I loved him as Delta Slim.
Him just
said, yeah, y'all got money today.

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Do y'all have money next week?
Could you?
Cause they gonna pay me.
They've been paying me every Saturday
for ten years, 15 yearsand will pay me for ten years more.
But y'all got money today.
Even his very clear and gingerly
named alcohol ismas a thing that everybody also understood
when he's telling the story of his timein the chain gang.

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Oh, of I mean,to so many powerful stories,
but telling the storyabout like what happen to him.
Nobody's like, why are you drinking and
or stop drinking and or get your life.
Nobody's saying that.
You know,everybody has a very clear understanding
of what this man has been through, ofwhy he's doing the things he's doing.

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And that was
also very powerful, just to be like,we know we get you, we receive you.
I think the thingthat's most powerful to me
is not only the use of like, the homage toblues music and and music in general.
The sound design in this movie is so good.

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When slim is telling this story in the carand you hear it
being played out in the background,
I'm like, I'm just in tears.
80% is
feel that the other like metaphorthat is so powerful or not even
metaphor, it's just storytellingor whatever want to call

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it is the layering is that we aresimultaneously who we are in the moment,
the things that have happened to usand the things that we could be like.
So he's, you know, doesis telling that story and is hearing it.
But also like in driving past,the members who were currently
on the chain gang made it a pointto slow down and and say, heads up.
So he recognizes not only he rememberswho he was, who that person was,

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he recognizes these are all peoplewho were him, who are him.
Right.
And even I remember,it was so powerful for him to yell
for him to get so the person to reactand then for you just to hear the shot.
And so you don't. Was it a warning shot?
Did something.Somebody gets it. Yeah. You. It's you.
You don't know.
And that leads me to another thingoutside of the layers.

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But I thought it was oneof the most accurate depictions of living
under the constant threat of racism,without it informing everything you do.
So many movieswhen they're trying to talk about Jim
Crow, South sharecropping, slavery,or enslavement, even they make it.

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They either minimize it.
So you either get like Gone With the wind,where it's just like a thing
where it's like it's just it's just fine.
But no, nothing really different.
Right?
Or you get, I wish I couldI'm sure there are other movies
that just can't come to me right now,but you get a movie
where it's like the only thing anybody'stalking about all the time, right?
Where and and again,I'm not saying that it wasn't.

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No, no, no, it's constant thing.
And also people manage to haverelationships, manage to live their lives,
manage to just kind of havean everyday existence.
Like, yeah, there wasthere is mundanity in the terror.
But you, it could be mundane,you could have your everyday thing
and you know, transitioning a little bitinto our favorite moment, like the,

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the tracking shot or the, the one or from
with the two grocerystores was an amazing people.
So great where like the realitywas being able to have like these two
grocery stores, in the center of townwhere it's like that was the white side.
This was the Black side. Yeah.
Having, a Delta Chinese familyable to cross both of those spaces

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where you see
the grocery stores across from each otherwith the daughter going back and forth.
I thought that was justsuch a beautiful thing where it's like
the threat was very real. It was a very.
There was a clear line of existenceacross those spaces,
but it alsothey were still able to do their business.
They were still able to, like, exist.Yeah.

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In a way where they didn't
have to talk about the white people untilthey had to talk about the white people.
Right. There was wasn't the wholethe whole thing.
It wasn't the center of their existence.
It wasn't about being in relationshipto white people.
It was really abouthow can we live our lives. Yes.
The things that mean something to uswith this persistent threat
that we are engaged withbut can ignore until we can't ignore it?

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Yeah, exactly.
The looming threat of white supremacybeing the like
main villain is why it to me is.
And it's done perfectly.
And the the I mean to like a favorite partwhich there are too many to count
is at the end when the Klan stillshows up in the morning,

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like regardless of what happened prior
to these motherfuckers were showing upanyway, that was their whole plan.
That was the whole plan
was gonna come here anyway.
And and outside of the violenceof the Klan, but very real.
It was also next, like capitalism,the plan was not only
to take their money for buying the thing,but they buying the middle.

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They wanted part of the reasonwhy they waited till it was open for a day
is because they wanted all of the moneythat they took in that night.
They didn't because they couldn't.
There are a lot of timesthey could have executed the violence
like, no, no,we don't wait for the party to pop.
We want this party to go. Yeah.
And then we'll come inand we'll we'll take them all

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like we want.
And so now we'll get all the moneythey made, plus our money,
right? Right.
Plus the money they used to buy it. Yeah.
And, and any of that plantation,
that, but, like those, like plantationscripts.
Yeah.
That they got.
We'll get all of thatto get all of that attacking the violence,

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which was clearly racially motivatedand all of that also to the capitalist
extraction, again,
that that really feels like it's like, no,
we aren't just here to murder these peoplebecause we want to do this.
We're going the plan.That's the plan. We're going to do that.
We're also going to take all their money.
But we also are here to take the thingthat they've built again, to
to be a movie about vampirethat actually isn't about them at all.

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We're really is about, again,who is who is extracting
from your creative story, who is
who are you giving accessand what are the terms of that access?
Are you clearabout what you were giving them?
Are you clearabout what they want from you?
Yeah,I'm thinking about that for myself now.

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I'm like, right, well, shit.
Shit.
Right.
Well, because again, not everybodywho shows up offering fellowship and,
and good songs is is actually tryingto scare focus camp folk.
Okay. Yeah. And
not everybody who wants to fellowship withyou means you kindness.

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Like because I mean remix whole thing
around wanting access to the stories.
Now I wantyou're the one who can tell the truth.
And I want that for me.
I want access to the to the giftsthat is yours.
And I do not care how I get it.
I see, Remmick and,

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the family fromGet Out to have very similar motivations
of just being like,you have this talent that I cannot access,
and I'm going to do everything in mypower to access this talent,
especially if thatmeans I get to destroy you in the process.
Right?
That was that was a feature.

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Not about this feature, not a bug.
If I get to destroy you in the process,I sing, okay, sing my song.
I'm super winning.
Because
I want, I want what you want.
What you made and cultivated
and or have been have been given freely.

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And I would like to take that with forceas violently as possible.
Right. Because it's it.
It should be mine.
It should be mine.
How dare you
be given this talent?
How dare you be great in my face?
The audacity!
I would also like to discuss the

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the elevated position of womenin this movie, I think.
Yeah.
The women are truly the backboneof this film and or life in general.
Come on now, I'll talk about it.
Let's talk about it.Let us. That's not even.
I'm not even gonna play like that.
Specifically Black women.
So because and said these aren't heinous,these are vampires.

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And everybody was like 100%.
Nobody was like, misogyny said it.
That's what we do in in that'swell she's she, she's she the one.
She the one I lovedI loved so much about that.
And I'm like, I love what you're saying.
Because the role women playedas both harbingers,
as protectors,

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as just complex, interesting characters,
they weren't just, like, as a horror fan,they're one.
There is no final girl, which is amazing.
Although you can you can argue,I mean, that Sammy is the final girl.
Sammy is the final girl.
He's not. But he. But he is. Yes,but he is.

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And and to to put a pinin what we were just talking about.
I love the fact that this is not Smoke and Stack's story.
This is Sammy's story.
And and Smoke and Stackare just we're just here for the right.
But like, the the way the trailer is setup, the way the marketing is set up,
you were 100% or like,this is the story of Smoke and Stack.
And then you get there and you do not seeSmoke and Stack for like ten minutes.

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Like like wewe start the movie at the end.
Amazing.
For all of youwho don't like horror movies,
we get a lot of jump scaresall the way in the first ten minutes.
Just so people rememberit is still a horror movie.
I feel like that was me.That was as a certified scaredy cat.
I very much they were like, no,they don't want you to get comfortable.
You need to start a little scared first,

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and then we're going to easeyou into the story.
We're going to give you some narrative,
but I want you to remember it'sa horror film.
And especially when she gets wildfor the end, you're not surprised.
It was perfectlyI was perfectly primed for it
because I think, havewe not had jump scares in the beginning?
You would have forgottenwhat type of movie you were watching.
And then I would have spent the last

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like third, just hidden under a blanket,just so scared.
But I was prepared.
I was like primed.I was like, okay, I got it.
I see what's happening here.
And and I wish more horror moviesdid that.
Like if more horror movies used horror
as a vesselfor storytelling instead of like a genre,

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this is going to get a lot of hatefrom the horror fans.
I think horror movies would be better,I think if like,
and this is somethingwe'll talk about in our next segment,
there is a Guillermo del Toro lead,Oscar Isaac, Frankenstein movie coming out,
and that movie'sgoing to be scary as fuck.
I just want everybody to know right nowthat movie is going to be super scary.
It's going to be really good, andthe creature design is going to be great.

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But I'm curious on what the storyhe is telling using horror as a vessel.
Like how the event,like how like Marvel makes movies
and we just happento throw superheroes in,
right?
Yes, definitely the best.
The best Marvel or MCU moviesare the ones that are like
a different genre of movie that includessuper that include superheroes.

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Winter soldier is because it's family.
It's a it's a spy movie.
That's why Robert Redford's in it, right.
I have a question for you.
Retro is what is somethingthat surprised you about this movie?
Centers is what we're talking aboutin case somebody has walked into the room.
So back to centers? No.

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What was I surprised by?
That is a great question.
I think I was surprised by how emotionalthe movie was for me.
Okay.
It just, you know, like,I know a lot of people talked
about the music sequence,the dance sequence, the kind of thing
being able to call forthboth the past and, the future.

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And I guess I my body.
I was crying like, before I understoodwhat was happening.
Like just witnessing that connection,that acknowledgment
of the through line of dance and music.
As, I don't know, a spacewhere kind of truth exists.
Yeah. Divine connection.
Now, there were tears.
It was definitely like,why is my face wet?

(23:56):
Oh, oh, that's because I'm deeplyemotionally invested in this, right?
Right.
Because I'm, I'm moved in a waythat I can't even quite name.
And so just I was so activated. Yeah.
Just seeing all of that, like this idea
of experiencing through time,like not even knowing
fully what you're seeing, but tapping intothat was so moving to me.

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I just was so investedin all of those people.
I love that
scene so much as a big film nerd.
So it's the last scene they do.
It's the last thing they shot atbecause it's got to be
it's there's a million people on set.
And we also are acting,you know, we we burned

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we really burn down the shack like there'sa, there's a chunk, a section
where there's like, we're really playingin front of this burned down shack, right?
Which is, I mean,
and I read there are like three camerasmoving simultaneously, like, it's
it's definitely the most difficult
shot in the movie by a long shot.
What surprised me was, yes, this feeling,but also me also having

(25:04):
the same exact reaction to when Rennick isis digging outside the set.
I'm like, oh, I still feelreally connected to this in some way,
which feels weird in some, likein the way that like, I can't like explain
weird is the only thing I can like,feel right now, but like it, feel it.
I was like, oh, I have the same.

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I have the same gut reaction that I didwhen Sam is playing Lie to Me,
which is I love that the first person yousee is like George Clinton,
I love that
is, George Clinton is the first personyou see amazing.
There's so many calls,there's so many calls.
And then the, the,the infusion of, of like
Chinese inspiration and like, yeah,they're doing

(25:47):
like they're doing like forms of like,oh my God, this is so beautiful.
There's so much.
Well, it,you know, in reading some of the IMDb
and reading some of the thingslike the idea that these truth tellers,
people who can tap into the veil, right,being whose art can pierce the veil, don't
just activate their histories,they activate your history.

(26:09):
Yeah,they activate the listener's history.
And so that is, I think, a really powerfulrepresentation from Remmick
as the villain is that clearly consumeda truth teller from that tradition.
And part of why him having access tothat power is so dangerous
is it can activate anyone.

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It it can activate the the history,it pierces the veil for anyone.
It doesn't discriminate
in the sense of like,no, only it's not only the Irish veil.
Yeah. It's not only the the Black veil.
Not only the Chinese veil. It's not.
It's the idea that, like, that thingthat connects us, the spiritual,
artistic, divine thing.

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Once anybody connects us, thatif you can open it like you can, it
opens it for anybody, which informs why
rhythmic wants, preacher boy?
Because he's like, oh, you can do that.
I, I need yourI need that because you can.
Not only can you liketap into the ancestors,
you can bring them home like,you know, because there's a there's a line

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where where Sammy and Rennickare doing the Lord's Prayer.
And Renick is like,
you know, those words always comforted me,even though they're not mine.
And like, as the core fan,the history nerd
I am, I was like, oh, you're ancient.
Yeah.
So old because you rememberwhen the Christians took over Ireland.

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So saying that, I'm like,oh, you've been and it
and it's strictly only contextfrom what we have.
You known for quite some time becausewhen we were introduced to Remmick, he's
by himself on the run from the Choctaw,from the Choctaw, who have whooped his ass.
Okay. He had a black eye.
They beat the hell out of him.

(27:58):
I, I want to know what they do.
But they
showedup and I also I really appreciate it.
They were like we were trying to get him.
We are we are trying to stop this.
And then the white people were like,nope he's with us.
And they were like,all right, y'all got it.
They peaced the fuck out
girl like they got gone.

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you got one solid morning. Ay,but it's about to get dark out.
And they didn't show up again.
No. Which I loved.
They know what was out there.
They tried.
They did their part.
We are going to do our partuntil the sun goes down.
We're going to try to stop this very realthreat.
But, you know,I'm sure had there been like a phone tree,
I'm sure they would have called somebodyand been like, hey,

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but that's not what they had
not a phone tree!
They would have activated the WhatsAppto be like, hey, y'all,
vampires are out there.
We tried, but those Klanfolks on the edge of town, they got 'em.
We had everybody stay inside.
Hey, maybe don't do to the juke tonight.Maybe.
Maybe not tonight.
We can get gather in the morningand we can come up with a plan.

(29:03):
We'll figure it out to get it together.But I understand it's a Saturday night.
I understand what I want to do. I'mjust saying we don't know.
But they didn't have all that.
And so they had to.
They had to.
And they were like,all right, they had to peace out.
I appreciate my brother was like,I can only warn you once also.
And this is maybe this is me.
You lucky I didn't come in herejust off rip shoot you dead in the chest,

(29:25):
because I know a vampire is in here.
And I know what vampires do. And you?
I really tried to communicatewith you effectively,
but we could have just burned this houseto the ground with everybody in it also.
Also, y'all got vultures, y'all.
Y'all see?
Do y'all not see these vultures that,like a thing that I didn't realize
that I was going to be emotionally chargedto was seeing the cotton fields.

(29:49):
It looked like the sea.
They were just. It was endless.
And I was just every time
they would just drive downand I would just feel the weight
and like the heat and I'm just like,I would die.
And then we get to my brother Cornbread,who was perfect.
When
Smoke is like talkingall crazy in front of his wife.

(30:12):
And Cornbread just
takes the thing off and was like,all right, nigga, we gotta fight now.
All right.
There's only
Only there's only so much.
There's onlyso much I'm gonna let you talk to me.
Express in front of my wife.
There's only so much that you can do herethat I'm just going to let pass.
But also in our however comma,when she was like.
But how much?

(30:32):
But how much moneyyou talking about. Right.
And then we'll look we're like, hey,if it's enough money he might be right,
I might,I might, might do all that disrespectful shit
the there's got, there'sjust so much to talk about this movie.
I have one last question.
What is like a small throwaway detail

(30:53):
that you really enjoy, which is becausethis movie is filled with them.
So many of them,there were there's so many things,
but I will say the like the sewer in mejust those costumes.
Shout out to Ruth Carter, man. Always.
Oh, wait.
Carter, this is Ruth Carter with CarterStan account.
We just also can do no wrong.
Because it was it was amazing.

(31:16):
I love to detour a little bitto talking about Ruth Carter specifically.
I love her consistent use of color codingthat doesn't look cheesy
where she is so good at everything,but I don't think people
I think there is a period of timewhere like, you could
color coded character and it looked verylike Super Mario Brothers, somebody who,

(31:37):
you know, I and I was thinking very ScoobyDoo, Scooby doo, right?
Or like Power Rangers versus like, oh,this is all they're going to wear
and they're going to look likean animated character because they're just
the color code is so hard. Right?
But Ruth Carter makesthese just really powerful distinctions
visually in that she does color codethe characters when it's necessary.

(31:59):
Right.
And giving folksit's a color palette that feels so
nuanced and
informed by the character that you get,
they look like real people,but you also know who you're looking at.
So, so putting, you know, Smoke andStack in blue and red, having like

(32:20):
the fedora versus the like, pageboy cap, like having these subtle things.
I, I love that you brought up the fedoraand the pageboy cap
because it also shows you who they workedwith while they were in Chicago.
Right. So they were in different gangs.
They're different games, which is
of course, their fashion would

(32:42):
be, would assimilate to thosewho they would be around the most.
Right.
And you can't tell me as a sibling,
especially as the twin,that we didn't swap some shit sometimes.
Oh, yeah.Get some details on other things.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
So like just using the fashionbut like knowing like which
it being a signifierboth of which gang they worked for.
But you also see how these two peopleSmoke and Stack are twins.

(33:07):
Yeah. You see that.
They're different versions of
their
two unique people,but who had the same upbringing, who are
who are connected to each otherbecause like something that
I find challenging sometimes
in the like twin trope
is where they are so different,where you're like, I don't understand

(33:27):
how other than they have this deepcodependent connection.
I understand why these two peopleare in the same space, right?
You don't you don't quite get.
I feel like the differences become
so extreme where they play thislike opp twin opposite situation,
that each character is so diametrically
opposed to the other characterthat you're just like, I don't understand

(33:48):
why these two people share space at all,other than the fact they shared a womb.
And you create this
inevitabilitywhere you like have good twin, bad twin,
where like the bad twinis going to fuck it up
somehow and the good twinis going to be the tragic character.
And what I like about Smoke andStack is they both had flaws,

(34:08):
and the flaws were kindof were complimentary.
Where like, Smoke was so businessdriven and analytical
and less people.
He was less a people person.
Yeah, right.
He wasn't have that area. Right.
And Stack was far morehe was clearly the smooth talker.
Yeah.
Really the far more like outgoingbut was definitely

(34:32):
the more sensitive and or emotionaleven though but it wasn't so extreme.
It's like they both had a deepsensitive streak.
We got to see like what they were likefor the people they loved. Right.
They both are clearly very ambitious.
They were deeply connected to each otherin a way that you got it.
And so you understand how these aretwo different versions of real people,

(34:53):
as opposed to being like one good twinwho's all redeeming in all,
all good and one bad twinwho's all impulsive and all negative,
because I knew I knew
one of them was going to to break it somehow.
Yeah, but it wasn't until it happenedthat I knew which one it was going to be.

(35:15):
And I'm going to sit here
and I'm not going to lie to you.
If Mary's on top of me,I'm gonna be a vampire, okay?
That's just what's going to happen.
I that's what's going to happen.
I didn't know where the dangerwas going to come from.
I didn't know who was going.
Who was it going to be?
Was it going to be because I was like,is it going to be Smoke?
And about this money?
Like, is he going to let somebody into get that, or is it going to be Stack?

(35:37):
I figured it was going to be connected toMary if it's Stack.
But like I couldn't figure outwho was going to save the day,
who was going to cause the problem,and that was awesome to me.
It was just so goodbecause they were so realized.
I was like,I see how both of you could be the hero
and how both of youcould be the inciting incident.

(35:58):
The thing I really loved about this movieis, as a horror fan, the
the changing of vampire lore of like,they don't have super speed,
they are relatively strongerthan other people.
But not like, I'm not picking you upand ripping you in half.
We still had to. You still had to scrap,
right?
You still had to scrap.
I love thatI loved the, the the thing I hate most

(36:22):
about vampire moviesspecifically is the newborn problem.
Okay, you get bit now I gotta teach youall the rules, which takes days.
But with this mind meld hive mind thing,you instantly know
the rules that I've curated and cultivatedover the centuries I've been alive.
You don't have to question their.
What's also really cool is that youdon't have to fight the hunger.

(36:44):
I had to fight the hunger.I don't have to fight the hunger anymore.
So now you also get my disciplineand my patience because I'm not
what most vampiresI feel like most vampire movies do is
they turned them into brutes.
When a vampire, when they're predators,we stalk, we take our time.
Sometimes it takes days to do the thing.
We just happen to walk into a buffet.
We walked right.
We happened to walk into a buffetwith a prize at the middle.

(37:06):
Like with with the best
meal that will may possibly redeem us. So.
Oh yeah, we in here.
When they don't, they don't show youwhen Rennick and the three are playing,
and Mary goes outside to talk to them
and she pulls her gun out,does all these things and walks away.
I love that it just floats in the air.

(37:26):
Like that's all you need to knowthat it's done.
And Mary comes back and you're like,absolutely sure, okay, no, not let her in.
I also love to build on that moment,how casual she is about coming in.
If there wasn't any era music,there wasn't.
She didn't float or whatever.
She in duty,she just walked in and was like,
let me inbecause for a second you're like, well,

(37:47):
maybe she didn't get yeah, maybe he fliesand, you know, start trying to.
Maybe she didn't.
But seeing her attitude beforehand,like seeing how she came
in the first time, you're like,oh no, she she's different.
But she's not like,there's no way cornbread wasn't an act.
There's no reason corporatewas very good at his job.
There was no reason for him to thinkthat she was a vampire.

(38:08):
This. Mary,go get your ass in here. Right.
Other than thefact that she was a vampire.
She wasn't drooling yet.
She had nothing.
She still kept her very poised demeanorand was like, you gonna let me in or not?
And he was also kind of blocking the door.
He did not make a wrong choice.
It just happened to be a wrong choicecreated.

(38:28):
We can talk about this movie, our episode.
If somebody's at this point,even though it's been on stream
and whatever has not seen it,and they are on the fence.
I'm not sure how you can be on the fence,but they might still be.
What would you tell them?
And we'll assume that they skippedall of the spoiler stuff.
So non spoilery right?
Let's say they're joining us againright now.
So we go into our next phase.Welcome back.

(38:49):
What would you tell themto get them to go. See.
That is a great question.
If you like storytelling in any formyou need to see this movie.
This this movie tells stories,both intertwined
little one shotsof backstories of characters

(39:11):
that, like, are not throwaway ways,but they aren't.
They're not like reviewed later.
They're not like brought up again.
Yeah. They're. Yeah,they're these excerpts.
These are these excerptsof these vignettes. There you go.
Like a character vignette that you learn.
And it's just it's very quick.
And for me, Saul Williams as as as Sam,

(39:32):
his father as the preacher's Jedidiah,who's in the movie for five minutes.
It gives a stellar performance.
And he alone isgoing to let you keep watching.
But the structure of this film,the the the
the cultural representation,both of both Delta
like DeltaMississippians, both Black and Chinese.

(39:53):
If you love anythingthat has to do with film,
you need to get you just need to see thismovie. That's all I can really tell you.
It's scored beautifully.
It's shotthe cinematic cinematography is bar none.
If this this has to be nominatedfor something.
Many things.
And if it's not, I'm not watching.
It's all racist.
A real, now.
Excellent I would offer. Yeah.

(40:14):
It just in a space of original IP,we haven't had as much original IP.
In in movies recently, and I also,
I'm not the person who's,who hates on sequels or reboots.
I do like a refresh.
But it is like amazing to watch
something new and originalthat has some very clear influences

(40:34):
and also like remixes and and replays
with old tropes that we are familiar with.
Yeah, but it it is a new experience.
It is a great journey and I truly thinkeverybody should watch it.
If you also and if you like horror onethis is a solid horror movie,
but two it also doeshomages to other horror movies.

(40:56):
So check it out.
It's beautiful.
Pay however much Amazonis going to charge you for it
and it is scaredy cat approved.
I will say as a as a scaredy cat, right?
I, I could manage it.
I worked my way through it, didn't it?
The themes and the story stayed with mefar more than this scares did.

(41:17):
So yes.
So I will say as the certified scaredycat, where Tyrone is the the horror fan
like we both walked away with it,but it is scaredy cat approved.
I also love, taking a scarfor blanket of protection I so I did,
I did use a blanket of protectionbut enjoyed it.
We'll watch again.

(41:37):
But in thethe theme of media that made us,
we have one of my favorite segments,which is press play or novel.
So it's time for press play or Nol,
where we give the real on whatwe've been watching, reading or playing.
Is it binge worthy or backgroundnoise classic or cut it?
Let's get into it.
What are you watching?
Something I just started.I have two things.

(41:59):
So one, is Department Q on Netflix.
I've seen, the little bump.
It is kind of wild.
Only, two episodes in, I like it.
It is set in Scotland.
It is a it's about a department,
in, Scotland Yard that is focused

(42:19):
on cold cases and it ends up being ona particular cold case, but
it is this,
like Matthew Goode and it's, it'sit's excellent work.
So many great people are doinga lot of really good work on it.
It is fascinatingbecause the protagonist is an anti-hero.
He is just supremely unlikable,
which is interesting because it's not likeyou're not rooting for him.

(42:44):
You're not like,this is a little bit of a spoiler,
but it happened in the first ten minutes,
so I'm gonna call it in thatlike he has shot it.
Fast forwarda little bit to his first day back in.
Nobody cares.
Oh, I think he comes back to work
and everybody's like, oh, you're here.
He got shot.

(43:05):
He's in. Oh you're here.
Hey. And everyone's like,oh you're back I guess.
Like,do you know how unlikable you have to be
for nobody to care on your first day backafter you got shot?
They don't like him.
They don't they don't like you.
Okay. I'mdefinitely watching that. That leaves.
That's mentally unlikable.
That was surprised to be like,he comes in, everybody's like, oh,

(43:26):
I guess you're back here again. Why?
And they're like,oh my gosh, is it a comedy?
It is not at all. No. I
that makes it so much better.
It is, it is not.
It is.
It is definitely a drama.
It's a mystery.There are some clearly funny moments.
Like, it definitely holds the humor,but it's not.
It's not funny.
But really enjoyable. It's very good.

(43:49):
And actually in a similar, a similarbut dissimilar space
is, murderbot, Apple TV on Apple.
That's Alexander Skarsgardyeah, that is fun.
And I will say, I love Apple TV showsare a lot of things that I really enjoyed.
They are really good.
Apple TV shows are paced interestingly.

(44:11):
They maneuver that.
They just they move slower,but they aren't slow
like they're still interesting.
But there's I could definitely seelike there's a lot of space in their,
in their pieces that allows it to get,its own unique rhythm.
Like almost every Apple TV showI've watched and I really enjoy,
silo and I see and Murderbot,

(44:33):
every show had its own pace.
And so you feel like,oh, it gets its own rhythm.
And it feels differentfrom other TV shows,
particularly the network TVor even Netflix.
And so Murderbotis definitely more comedy.
I don't know if it's an outright comedy.
And again, it's sometimes it's weird.
They're definitely like genre defying,I know it.
I know it's based off a graphic novel,like Think It Is.

(44:55):
It is definitely funny,but it's not like sitcom.
Funny sitcom because I like comedy.
Comedy, you know, it's
I mean, this is the premise on that one isAlexander Skarsgard plays Murderbot,
who is a robot or a security botwho has overridden his security protocol.
The thing that that's like,he's had a moment override,

(45:16):
he overrode the security protocol, is nowpretending
to be a robot under control
by the security protocol,but actually is fully sentient.
And so he is having conversations.
So he is a he's a robot pretending to be arobot so that the humans don't notice.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm watching that.
That looks good.

(45:36):
Because if they find out, if they find outthat he has overridden the protocol,
they'll melt him downand he'll he'll officially decease like,
And so the humor is in himhaving to do things
that he thinks are stupidbecause humans are pretty.
But also knowing thatbecause of the protocol,
the protocol meansthat he wasn't questioning.

(45:57):
He can't question it,but he is questioning it.
He's like, but that's but that's dumb,but that's dumb.
Why are we doing that? But he has to do it
because otherwise they'll find outthat he can make decisions.
That's unfortunate for him.
And so his thoughts are what's what's what's funny.
There's a lot of voiceover. Yes. Right.
And so he has these interactionsand there's voiceover.

(46:18):
And it's funnybut the pacing is just weird
where there's some times where he liketakes a little too long to answer
and then so just comes up with stuffand he's it's hilarious.
But he's also still a robot.
You know,I love that. Okay, I'm gonna watch that.
And that's also on Apple TV also. Yes.
So Department Q is on Netflixand Murderbot is on Apple TV.
What's something you just started?
I just started thisanime called Sakamoto Days.

(46:40):
And Sakamoto Days is very fun.
It's on Netflix.
I'm a little late to it.
It's, I think maybe not since, like,January or something like that.
But it's about this assassinwho's the world's greatest assassin, who
falls in love, opens a grocery storein Tokyo with his wife and child.
And he gets he used to be really thin,and now he's, like, very big.

(47:01):
He is.
So it's such a good assassinthat people that the company that he works
for, the organization they work foris like going, always going after him.
And he's he's destroying everybody.
But it's how annoyed he is with everybodythat really keeps me coming back.
And some have superpowers, some don't.
But like, it'sjust it's a good, fun, ridiculous time.

(47:21):
And what else? I don't know, man.
I've been really deep in this SVU bag,so I don't
I haven't really been watchinganything new.
Oh, but we did.
We and Courtney have, have watched thestudio on Apple TV, which is hilarious.
It's so good.
Seth Rogen is a Jim and treasure
when it comes to televisionand writing in general.

(47:42):
The meta commentary on the filmindustry is and if you're a film nerd,
you would absolutely love this show.
It's so much tension.
I am all the way, Jess.
My heart is in my chestthe entire time or in my throat
the entire time, but it's hilarious.
It is. It is wild. It is.
It is outrageous.
While feeling groundedin real people's behavior.

(48:05):
I don'tI don't know if I call it realistic.
No, but it it does have like,realism, like I.
Yeah.
Where you're just like, oh, no, if,
if you know, all the worst people,you know, like random movies, video
could, this could be what happens.
This could be how this goes.
If we would just make,the worst choices.

(48:25):
But it was. It's so great. It'sa lot of fun. We're really enjoying it.
I think we're, like, halfway through.
I don't know,but we're we're pretty deep in it.
And it's every time it's, it gets funnierand it's
and it's also like it's a homageto film in general.
Like there are things where, you know,
an episode would be like a themeon a type of filmmaking.
It's just it's really good.I really enjoy it. Okay.

(48:47):
What's something that you watchthat you didn't think got enough love?
Dark matter us on Apple TV, also Apple TVif you want to.
If you want to hit us with sponsorship,anybody can be mad at you.
But no dark Matter,which, was based on a book
which I had not read the book,but I saw dark Matter.
And so I went into the shownot knowing what to expect.
It was one of my favorite experiencesbecause partially

(49:09):
because I didn't know what to expect.
So I'm not going to talk to youspecifically about it. Gotcha.
But everybody should watch itbecause it's it's both,
it's a sci fi piecethat actually isn't about the sci fi
interesting.
It really is about there's just some deep
human themes and it's about, like,the cost of our choices, really.

(49:31):
And yes, I don't want to saytoo much more about it.
Listeners, if you watch itand you want to talk to me about it, email
hustling with arches@gmail.com or, find us on social media.
And I'm happy to talk to anybodywho's seen it about what it's about.
Because you finished it, right? Yeah. Yes.
It is worth watching the whole thing

(49:51):
and if you think you knowwhat's happening,
if you haven't read the book, I'm sureif you read the book, then you understand
what's happening.
But if you haven't read itand want to watch the show again,
you think you knowwhat the story is about.
And then you get toward the endand you realize it's about something else,
it becomes fully relatable, relatable.
And it I think if you're paying attention,it allows you to both

(50:12):
see things about yourselfand about the choices you make
and about people around you differently.All right.
I'm going to have to check this movie outor this show out.
Then how about you tiewith something that you watched
that didn't get enough love for you?
I think that Colin Farrell TV showthat was on Apple TV,
I cannot remember the name right nowto save my life,
but I don't need tobecause I have the interwebs.

(50:34):
Sugar. Not enoughpeople talked about sugar for me.
I think it's one of the
I mean, unfortunately for sugar,Penguin came out and everybody talks about
it, so.
But I think sugar isone of the most original television shows
I've ever watched.
I think it's insanehow good it was, how, again,
it's a thing that I can't tell you about,but also if you want to talk about it,

(50:56):
email us at Hustlingwith Hard Essentials account,
or you can find us on Instagramand TikTok at Hustling Charges.
And I will absolutely talk to youabout this.
So this show was so good.
It is also an homage to film.
Clearlythere's a pattern happening, right?
But it's it's oh my God, it's so good.
And nobody talked about it.

(51:17):
We wouldn't talk enough about it,that's for sure.
And it is one of those thingsthat feels like it's in one genre,
and it turns out
it's in a different genre, but you have towatch it to understand what it is.
And so my recommendation really,
if you're looking to likeif you want to go on a journey
and there are two very different journeys,dark matter and sugar,
also both on Apple TV,they really are like,

(51:38):
if you didn't watch either of those thingsbecause you were like,
I don't know if I'mthis is my genre, right?
You feel like I don't really dolike vintage noir style mystery
or I don't really dobroody man based sci fi.
You're right.
Like, well,this is looks like a broody dude.
Feelings in the future if you're like,I don't want to do those things.
I know that for both of these pieces,

(51:58):
those are an entry intoa much more compelling, complex story.
It's a good it's a it's beena decent media renaissance, for years.
I think there's been somereally good content just out in the world.
Like people are making some bold choices.
And as much as there are, definitelyrepeat, IPS, there are definitely,
you know, repeat stories and sequelsand all of that.
There's also some really interesting stuffout there

(52:19):
that's getting supported,and I'm here for it.
You kind of have to look for it.
Not ridiculously hard, I think.
Yes, I think you have to look for it.
And I think it has to bea little bit of bravery
of being willing to not like something,you know,
I think sometimes people are like, oh,but I don't know if I'm going to like it.
It's like, well,that's part of the experience of watching,
I think, new media of understandingwhat you didn't like

(52:40):
about it, of being able to talk about itand it is a pet peeve of mine
that oftentimes people complain that,like, there's no new stuff out there,
and it's like, what, outsideof what you like, are you watching?
Right.
And it's like there is new stuff
out there, and it might be in placesthat feel like old stuff, feel right.
It might be in places that you don't
expect because you're like, oh,I just because I can't figure out

(53:01):
what this is on the outside,then I'm not engaging with it.
And it's like, that's partiallyyou're missing some new stuff.
If y'all don't know, Courtney is now twofor two for dropping gems and episodes.
Doing best. Yeah, you got it.
Sometimes it is like,it's like old coded, right?
Or like because they want to sell it.
And like
this is an issue I have with marketingand somebody who was marketing theaters

(53:22):
and marketing,it's like it's hard to condense a story
into a soundbite that people understandin ways that don't also give away
some of the gems and the surprisesthat make the story worth telling.
I mean, back to centersfor a second, really.
I love that
that the dance scene was not talked about,

(53:45):
that that scene at that scenewas not discussed.
It was not discussed in trailers.
It was not discussed in in peopledidn't post it
on social media like it was preservedbecause people were like,
okay, but this is very importantand you need to experience this.
Like this.
All right. Last press play.
Now a question is what is somethingyou're looking forward to.

(54:07):
I willI can jump in when we think about it, but,
you mentioned it before,but yes, the Frankenstein Frankenstein.
Also shout out to MelBrooks and Gene Wilder
because I can't actually say the namecorrectly the first time,
because my brain alwayswants to go with Frankenstein.
And that's. And I'm like,no, that's not it.
But as a result, my brain is forever broken.
But that lives in my head.
But yeah, I'm.

(54:28):
And again, I'm not, horror againcertified scary scaredy cat.
But it looks good.
Oscar Isaac I have I have thoughtsand feelings about Oscar Isaac.
Because not only is he pretty
and that's real, but I, as an actor, he'sjust ability to create deep connection.
Like, I just love his talent.
And the fact thatthat talent is so pretty is.

(54:53):
Is disconcerting to me.
And so will I watch Frankensteinbecause he's in it?
Absolutely. Because it's just so good.
I also watch the, National Theater version with, Jonny
Lee Miller and Benedict Cumberbatch.
Oh, you mean Benedict Cumberbatch?
He was the monster.
Yes, he was franchise monster.
They switched, I love that.

(55:14):
So, I watched the version,where John Lee Miller was the doctor
and Benedict Cumberbatch was the monster,but they one of the kind of
gimmicks of that space was that theythey are recordings of both.
They switched.
I love that,I didn't know that, but cool.
Yeah.
But I mean, I just watching that got,
I got really interested in like, well,I haven't read the book.

(55:37):
I got very interestedin the theatrical version. All right.
And so I'm excited to seewhat happens in the movie version.
And I'm also excited for Wake Up DeadMan, the Knives Out movie.
And like, I like a mystery.
I do love, I love a mystery,I love Benoit Blanc and his Foghorn
Leghorn ass I love, yeah,I love the character.

(55:57):
I, I loved the very first oneI liked the second one.
Gentlemen, they killed it. Yes.
So dumb.
It's so dumb. It's perfect.
No, it's just dumb.
Absolutely.
So, very much looking forward to those, and I'm sure a few others,
but those are the onesI want to show. Right. Fantastic.
I am also very excited for this.

(56:18):
Again with our Toro directed Frankenstein.
It's going to be so weird.
And really, the creature designis going to be awesome.
I am also excited for Wednesdayseason two.
I liked the first Wednesday. Me too.
And I was like,yes, I'll take 100 of these please.
I am also excited for one seasontwo, the live action One piece as a person
who's never, never really watchedthe anime like that, I know blasphemy.

(56:42):
People don't like that about me.
But there's so many episodes, y'all.
It's like 2000 episodes.
Many much.
But I am also excitedfor the Old Guard two.
I forgot about that.
Yes, you guys put me in coach.
Yes, right on it.
Because Uma Thurman full stop.
Okay then Uma Thurman

(57:03):
versusCharlize Theron, efflux versus the bride.
What are you going to do about this?
Or the evil queen versus the bridewho people sleep on that Snow White movie.
And I really enjoyFuriosa versus the bride.
Furiosa?
Yeah.
No, this is just the giant Amazonianfight, and I'm and I, I need this

(57:27):
to also be the start of the talkabout the female led Expendables movie.
That is it.
I feel like we havethere are so many movies now.
I loved the first two.
I don't know if I saw the last two.
I want them to keep making them.
I just even if regardlessof whether or not I've seen them, I
do want Lady Expendables.

(57:47):
Yeah.
The Expendables, it's the Expendables.
Nice trademark.
No, Bad binding. Give me Sigourney.
Give me the Hamilton.
Give me Charlize, give me humor.
Give the whole all the Charlie's Angels.
I'll take both sets. Doesn't matter.
Yes. Both sets. Right.Give me Lynda Carter.
Give me.

(58:08):
Like, if you are a womanwho is throwing a punch on film
in the last 20 to 25 years,we got this movie for you,
I want you, I want,I want there to be Lady Expendables.
I want that to happen.
Just.
Yes, I want, you know, I'mtoo old for this shit said by some lady.

(58:28):
Do I want that a lot?
Oh, that means also Viola Davis.Is it going to be in it?
Yes. Give me viola.
Give me lawless.
Give me Jennifer Garner.
It's electro alias. Whatever.
Can we get, Elijah Dushku back about dollhouse?
Right.
Give me a SarahMichelle Gellar. No. I'm serious.
Having that moviewith a bunch of female action

(58:50):
stars and or,you know, heroes would be amazing.
I want it to have.
I want it to be set in some type of fastand furious reality.
Or physics doesn't really matterwhere the rule of cool is.
What's up?
Is it cool then? It works.
In the workwe write, we figure out the math later.
So I want yes, I want an all lady actionfilm governed by the rule of cool,

(59:14):
featuring again, any womanwho has thrown a punch or held a gun
any time in the last,I will say 45 years so they can show up.
They can do it.
I do my five years. Fantastic.
Yeah. And you can give me and give meone of those movies and I'll take them.
Badass. Fantastic.
So our next segment is our segment.

(59:35):
It's going to show upin every episode. Work hard, play hard.
Because building a creative lifetakes both focus and fun.
And so this is where we talk about a issueor creative issue with both its work
focus, its play focus.
And so today's focus is inspiration.
So just in general time,how do you stay inspired?
I stay inspired by the people around me.

(59:57):
People around meinspire me so much to try and to,
like, develop new and interesting thingsbased on their experiences,
whether or not that's my experience,I love
I just love coming up with new stuff,having people around me to be like, oh,
I went skydiving last summer in Baliand I'm like, oh, that's cool.
What is that like?

(01:00:17):
And now that's inspiring meto write something or to,
you know, have an idea of some,some sort based off that.
But also like media inspires me
so much specificallylike animation in anime is like,
and video games are like my goto inspiration for things.
Yeah, I love I just love consuming things.
My inspiration, I say inspiredfrequently by doing actually.

(01:00:41):
Sometimes just starting to write.
Or, you know, while Tyrionis the designer, there's a running joke
that I'm the frustrated designerbecause I love to, like, create brands.
Yeah.
And createlike branding and and concepts.
And I'm like,okay, what is what do I want this to be?
What is the story I want of the idea?
And sometimes it's not just the ideaitself, but like,

(01:01:03):
how do I communicate the ideato somebody else?
Yeah.
And so,I get inspired also by witnessing media.
I get me watch a lot of things.We go see a lot of things.
And this question was inspired
by the fact that centers inspired usboth to want to do some more things.
But I have really inspired by doingjust moving, moving my hands. Why?
I enjoy, knitting and sewing and startmaking things that way.

(01:01:27):
And when I'm in the doing,the inspiration comes,
which I really like, I enjoy sometimesit's like, this is going to be garbage.
I don't know if I like it,
but just the act of doing it allows me tothen want to fix it.
And improve it or try it again.
And that gives me more motivationand inspiration to keep going, you know?

(01:01:48):
Is it going to be crap?
Yeah, it might be,but I can fix it, right?
And especially if nobody's waiting for,you know, nobody is.
It's just me doing somethinghelps me want to then do more things.
It's how does being inspiredkeep you motivated?
That's great.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's just writing somethingdown.
Like, if I'm feeling excited, sometimesit's just like putting an idea to paper

(01:02:11):
or just just generating things I do.
I'm somebody who very much likesto just start an idea.
And we talked about thislast episode of like, who starts
and then finishes some stuff,but sometimes it is
just taking the ideaas far as my inspiration goes.
And then if I'm done with it,
putting it down, I may come back,but I have a few different

(01:02:34):
like files or whatever that are like halfthought out ideas for just like,
what if we did this and use like run ituntil you're like,
okay, that inspiration out a little bit,but I've documented it.
It's right there and I can come back to itif I want to pick it up.
But just honoring it,I think realizing, oh, I'm inspired.
I have some ideas, maybe we can do this.
And then running with it for a little bitallows more inspiration to show up.

(01:02:58):
Yeah, it's like it's like,it's like organic inspiration.
Like, like feeding off of it.
Yes. And I think because when I have some,
I write it down and try to like,work through it or engage with it,
even if it isn't writing downlike a sketching
or just something just like try to pull itout into the world in some way.
I also know there will be more andthey aren't all immediately actionable.

(01:03:22):
But it's nice to just play around with ituntil it's like,
oh, okay, okay,I don't know how this next space will go.
I don't know what to do.
So like, it'll stop,but then I have the beginning of it.
And then when I come back and correct,I definitely also feel the same way
about like how motivation inspires me.
Yeah.
The the idea of like,okay, I'm just going to write,
you know, I might writelike a quick outline of something

(01:03:44):
and I'm like, okay, I'll come back to thisor I'm like, oh, this.
You know, in writing this,this has sparked something else.
So now I'm like, writing this and now I'vewritten like a full treatment for that.
And so like the I love that sometimes
your inspiration can be inspirationfor something else.
Yeah. It's not always likewhat's right in front of me.
It's like, let me just takethis inspiration, all right?

(01:04:05):
I'm gonna go off on this side,and then I'll be able to come back to it,
and it'll free out some space to, like,do the thing that you're working on.
How do you in the play charge section,
how do you create inspirationto keep the work fun?
That's a really awesome question.
Sometimes I make things I know I'm notgoing to make like, if that makes sense,

(01:04:28):
does that I have like a full project andbe like, great, this has never happened.
This was just to get like this
was it's like a warm up and likeif something comes of it that's different.
But like a lot of the times it'sjust like a writing exercise or like,
like a creative practice that I want tojust like, you know, work my brain out.
But a lot of it is just like,this is just fun.

(01:04:49):
What we do is fun,and it's not we're not saving lives,
which is like, you know, a thingthat I always have to tell myself a lot,
where I'm like, we're not.
This is not actual heart surgery.
Like, I thank God. It'sthank God it's not.
I got shaking hands. So,
but like, it's also like,

(01:05:10):
you know, it's you're allowed to have funwhen you're creating something.
And I think a lot of people are like,but it's got to be perfect.
And I'm like, it's just got to be done.It's got to be done.
You can work on perfect time editing.
Other people's insights will like informperfection, if that's even the goal.
But sometimes it's just doing a thing.
I watched this,this interview with Jazzy Jeff,

(01:05:33):
and he was talkingabout how artists need to die empty.
He's like, just get it all outthere, throw it, just put it all out.
And then he was like, and you'll be fine.
You give me five.
That's wild.
I appreciate that as a friend,I like to generate inspiration and fun,
and it's going to sound very specificto my Type-A brain.

(01:05:55):
And that I like to solve problems inor create
some type of limitation to see how I woulddo this with the limitation.
So, you
know, for example, like I work from home,which I enjoy, but I also so
and so one of the things I did was like,okay, if I had a corporate,
an office job,what is the wardrobe I would sell.

(01:06:18):
Yes, yes. Right.
Like and I do have,I have this like running plan
of like a corporate capsule wardrobefor a job.
I don't have.
I do have, I do have a job.
Yes, butbut for the type of job I don't have
and the conditionsthat aren't really mine,
but it was generative be like, okay,if I had to, if I had to go an office
five days a week, what is the wardrobeI would want to make, right?

(01:06:41):
And so that gives me like a thingto sketch and it is a problem to solve.
But it creates like
just creativity where I get excited about,oh, what can I make my business keep?
Like, what if I made a suit,
right?
All these things I have patterns and ideasfor, but it I do like the creative
problem solving of like,okay, what would those conditions be like?

(01:07:02):
Even watching the Met Gala?
Oh, which was so much fun.
So much fun watching unexpectedly.
Just watchingthat whole blue carpet was great,
but I was like, oh, what are the okay,I like some of these cuts.
Like, how would I make thisa thing that I could wear
just regular like, yeah, is there therea casual version of this?

(01:07:23):
Is there like, what could I do?
And and so I like to keep it funby solving problems
that aren't necessarilyimmediate actual problems
or, you know, really cool. Take on that.
Yeah.
Creating some of these challengeswhere it's like, okay, how would I do this
with some type of limitationor some type of resource

(01:07:44):
without the pressureof having to deliver it?
I appreciate the creative P90x.
You're you're doing me right or something.
I'm just like, I want to try this.
What would I leave?
How could I doit this way? What would work?
That keeps me.
It keeps you going, and it keeps it funbecause it's like.
Also, you know, who knows
if I get the seven figure jobwhen we start taking brand deal meetings.

(01:08:08):
Okay, around this time,I'm going to be in my custom suit
because I've already figured outwhat I want that suit look like.
We are going to be in that custom suit.
He doesn't know that.
He's also going to make mine.
I'm sorry you're making out.
What was that? Oh,
no. That's a really great wayof putting it.
Of, like, creating

(01:08:30):
little problems that aren't problems,but like problems
that you can solve in yourin your own creative fashion.
Right? No pun intended. Nice.
All right, folks, we arewe are transitioning to our end.
And we have just,you know, two more things to offer you.
But we want to offer our siblingshout out, so, Tyrone,

(01:08:51):
which, siblingsdo you want to shout out this week?
The Smokestack Twins?
I want to shout out Elijah and Elias more
for being one, being my one of my favoriteonscreen siblings.
And two siblingsthat also genuinely enjoy each other.

(01:09:12):
Like, there there was bickering, yes,
but there was no, like,animosity towards each other.
There was no resentful ness.
Even when shit hit the fan, there wasstill real mad love between them.
And I love that.Absolutely excellent. Excellent choice.
And so inspire by that picking.

(01:09:33):
Literally polar opposite twins.
I've actually to go
my sibling shout out is also fictionaland it is Phil and Little Deville.
Absolute from the Rugrats.
If you want to talk about another setof twins who were there for each other,
ride or die.
Okay, die, ride or die
Phil and Lou from Rugrats.

(01:09:54):
We're both coconspirators.
Also, they bickered. But you.
You can't say anything about my sibling.
You can't know that's that's my guyor that's my girl over there.
Right.
And while they will hit each otherwith the with the full first names,
Phillip lit. Lillian.
Oh my gosh, I love that they wouldthey would switch the bow to fantastic.

(01:10:17):
God, they're so silly.
Yes.
Our sibling shout out is, filmingthe devil for me and the Smokestack Twins?
Absolutely.
And we are forever waiting
for our dynamic duo of dynamic duos.
Debbie Allen and Phylicia Rashad
and or Willow and Jaden Smith. Yes.

(01:10:39):
And so this is dayto day two of waiting for one
or both of our
dynamic duo of dynamic duos to appear
on Hustling with Harges.
Well, thank you all for listening.
As always, please follow, subscribe
and share with everybody,especially your creator friends.

(01:10:59):
Tune in next.
Everyone, everyone.
Your grandma, her grandma, grandma, right.
Your friends.
Right? Your secret vampire twin?
Yes. Your siblings, your blood siblings.
Fake siblings.
However you feel about it,
anybody you've called broor sis in the last decade right?
We love a play, cousin.

(01:11:19):
We love a play cousin.
We live by play cousins, right.
Tune in next week to our episodewhere we'll be talking about
creating In Chaos and whatever moves us.
If you have ideas, email us at Hustlingwith Harges at gmail.com.
You can also find us on TikTok, Instagramat Hustling with Harges,

(01:11:42):
Hustling with Harges,
hustlingwith our best, Hustling with Harges.
And you can find us onwhere most podcasts are are on
we're on Spotify and and Apple One
and iHeartRadio and Podbean.
Oh, and Podbean shout out to you Podbean.
Shout out to you Podbean. Gardening.

(01:12:02):
Any words of wisdom to send us off?
No pressure.
Be carefulwho you invite into your house.
Absolutely.
You want you want to.
My words of wisdom, play careful.
Have some questions.
I love thisbecause that that is the lesson

(01:12:25):
we cannot we do invite to be generousand discerning.
Oh, we know right, y'all. BYE!

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