What Would Elle Woods Do?

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It's Big Dog Courtney,what are we doing?
How are you doing this week?I'm doing okay.
I am, you know, to reflect the theme.
I'm in kind of deep reflection.
I feel like I have been in deepfor all of 2025, but I'm okay.
I mean, maybe 2024,maybe 2024 the last six and a half years.

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Who knows?
Who knows?
But now I'm doing okay.
I'm just like. I feel like I'm waiting.
I'm not quite 100% sure what I'm waitingI feel like I'm just like something's
going to turn.
We love the waiting.
So. Yeah.
You love the waiting.
How about you, bro?
Where is your head at? Is here.
It's still attached. Which is?

(01:47):
Which is just good. It's, Good.
I don't know, man.
I'm in this weird space of, like,wanting to be more creative than I am,
but feeling blockedin my skill and ability.
And you're on a learning edge I'm on mylearning steez, as you like to put it.
You're learning these.
These come back y'all finallybring it back.

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I believe in it.
Please don't help hersteez turned on his development steez.
I'm on my yeah,I'm on my professional development steez.
I'm like thinking aboutlike I'm looking at courses
and like potential certificationsand stuff.
Like, I guess I'm also on this,but this like reflection thing of like am
I is the path I'm currently on.

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The best way to get to my goal.
And so that is where I am at right now.
I feel that I'm in deep ownership to that.
I also like
I don't know if resent is the right word,but I'm going to offer it in that.
There's the desire for the best path, andI'm somebody who's very guilty of like,
I want to do what's the right way,what's the way to do this? Right?
But I'm also like,but a bad path to the place

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you want to go is still,it's still away there, right?
It's still like, provides access.
And so sometimes I think it's capitalism.
We already out there.
Okay.
So welcome capitalism. Welcome.
It's been like two minutes nowsince. Right?
I didn't even want to start there.
But I just think for the city of, like,having to find the best path,

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what is the quickest path?What is the like right path?
I even think it's such a it'sgoing to be random reference.
But you go with meis, you know, legally Blond,
girl?
Great path movie, great path movie.
But reallytalking about like the contrast of
like the person who had the, like,I'm going to Harvard Law. I'm.

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And it's like the, the very
the very plotted path like what is thein quote the correct path path.
And like Warner's characterI think really shows what it means.
It's like, well,
I'm going to do thisand I'm going to be a senator,
and then I'm going to marry the rightperson and above. And this is the path.
And then there's Elle, whose path was,you know, kind of started out of space.

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Yeah.
And it morphed into her path,but wouldn't like arbitrarily or like
from the outside, feel like the correctpath or the best path or the right
And yet through it she managed to findlike who she wanted to be.
Yeah. Skill fair and and her assets.
And so like, I'mjust in a space of looking for the right

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path in some ways, but also being like,okay, what's the path?
What is my elwood's path?
What is the path that like,yeah, maybe I start for the
the quote unquote wrong reasons, butalso I end up like living my best life.
So what do you mean is, is your Elle Woodspath?
You have the Elle Woods path.
You got into Harvard Law.

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What, like it's hard. Like it's hard.
Great.
It's not a great delivery. It's.
I mean, you needed,
legally blond.
Somebody. Olive film. Yeah. Great.
You want to talk about itas, like, an underdog story?
It's a great underdog story.
It also, it's not even an argument,but I want to offer,
like, is it an underdog story from.

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I think if you're Elle,I don't think it is like
she had her own doubts and she definitelyhad moments or people didn't see her.
But Elle, as a character, just the lessonabout using your resources,
using your using your community, right?
Yes, community. Right.
Not diminishing your own

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talents and insights as valuable.
Like, oh, Elle Woods, I appreciate it.
She's a telling a story
about like knowing your own valuewhen even when other people see it.
And even if the world is likeyou know, in all black and gray
and you get your pink MacBook like blueand you'll be on top.
I saw this thing on TikTok and this,

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this dude was talking about, doubling down on your strengths.
And he was like, are you pretty?
He was like, guess what?
You got to start makingGet Ready with me picture videos.
He is like, do you like to eat?
Are you fancy?
Record yourself going to fancy events.
Do you like to talk?
Just start.Open your video and start talking.
He was like double down on your strengths.

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And I was like, I'm ready to hear that.
When I'm I need to receive that.
I might need to ruminate. Ruminate.
You got that?
You got to let it marinate.
Like Nick Mon juice.
Get out. No.
So sorry. You're right. It'sthe shortest episode.
That's a nice, like, throw.
I wrote off the podcast.
No, no, no,

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I'm here for.
I'm here forever.
Forever ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.
Oh, amazing. I got we got a silly moment.
All right.
So with that and any other thingsyou want to check in about any other,
no. No.
I'm okay. Cool.
Great.
Okay.
So with that, we're going to jump

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into our first segment,our sibling shout out for Berber.
Berber, You.
where we just like to shout out siblings
and we're all doinggreat things, doing great things.
I'll let you go first.

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So my sibling shout outis probably my most ridiculous sibling
shout out I've done so far,which is Dexter and Deedee.
Unknown last name from Dexter'sLaboratory.
Absolutely. Class.
Even though Deedee was while old Dexterdid not play about his sister.
Okay, somebody came up and handle her.

(07:30):
That's way you now had a interdimensional
been eating your house.
So only person who can play aboutmy sibling is me.
That's it.
Like I can throw hands on them whenever.
That's the DH and Dexter way.
Like, no, they can.
We will box the second you get involved.

(07:52):
Whoever you are outside, it's not.
It's both of us on your head.
You can't do it. It's not for you.
I realize I'm muted.
Brooklyn was very loud.
You know,there was just a moment where Terrell was,
if you're watching us on the YouTube,you'll be able to see.
Hopefully we'll keep it.
Tyrone's very emphatic responseswith just no sound.
Just. I was just going to let him go.I was gonna let me see.

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Now we're actively, actively on your head.
Actually, in your head.
Deflate it now.
Now that you inflated it was for, So my shout out.
Also, speaking of, two siblingswho will be actively on your head, but,
these are real life siblingsand they are Venus and Serena Williams.

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Yes. Serena Williamsnamed one of the greatest athletes
of all time,if not the greatest athlete of all time.
Venus? Venus ain't no slouch.
Also, I just love where she cameback, beat them.
And when asked why, she was likeI had to win to or I had to play to
to save with my health insurance,which is the most dystopian nonsense.

(08:58):
But also. Larry? Yes, ma'am.
You are literally, again,Hall of Fame, great,
excellent tennis players and came back,
started on them, cameback, flexed on, definitely won.
And then when they ask youhow you feeling?
I said come back for the health insuranceI love, I love, I love our people,

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I love black people and our absoluterefusal to take things seriously.
Refusal or absolute refusal.
I also think that that might bethe blackest thing I've ever heard it
say, I, I that interview
cracks me up because I'm here because
assistant health insurance, it'sright over here for the health insurance.

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Y'all got great baby doom.
If I'm not mistaken, it like 47 came back.
Hasn't really played in a while.
Like did retire and is just like, no.
But you know, we got these checkups.
So let me just schoolthese people real quick.
I'll be honest with you.
The World Tennis Organization, whatever

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athletic organization they that runs,I'm sure that insurance is top tier.
I'm sure, I'm certainI'm sure that insurance is top tier.
But, but she retired like,I, I just love again.
I love it if it is truebecause just the idea of like,
oh, babe, I gotta like, rehab on my healthinsurance.
Let me go to school.All these people real quick.

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Let me just go win. Bam. Done.
Just in case you.
I forgot what I could do.
Great.
And then, you know, re-upped and Benny'sor that's not why.
And her just deciding that that's.
This is what I'm going to sponsor.
And again,this is what I'm going to say because,
you know, it's been like 30 yearsof reporters asking dumb questions.

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And so now at this point, we justwe just say whatever.
We just say whatever because I won.
So you know what?
Now I did it againFriday to get that cross Blue shield baby.
That's what I guess what I got herefor the Blue Cross blue Shield is
I just do I just have
catastrophic insurance, I just right, I,I got to come back every few years.

(11:10):
I got to come back school all of you.
And what the game's aboutjust so I can keep them platinum level.
Trying to keep my deductible down.
That's what I'm here for.
My deductible down, that is,
I like paying $200 a month on insurance.
Right.
So I like something on your house.
So I can do both everywhere I go.

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Catch me just in the airand we'll walk through humble.
Everybody go back to my health insuranceand get an MRI.
Just because.
Just like
I still go to MRI.
Dentist.
My glasses. Right.
So it's all set.
So yeah.
So my shout out is Venusand Serena Williams

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because they are just peak everything.
Yeah.
At the top of their game literally.
And also refused to take anythingseriously.
We just don't know.
You know, you ask me, you ask mea question, I'm going to answer it right.
This is going to be the answer.You want that it's not my problem,

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you know.
Why did you why did you come back on tour?
I need a new sneakers.
Yeah, they gave me sneakers.
I need a new sticker.
I started playing again.
So I get the sneaker sponsorships freely.
I do it for the frequent flier miles. I.
Trying to get.
Trying to get them to play.That's what I have in my hands.
I'm just saying,you know how much points on Wimbledon?

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Yeah, I'm killing it right now. Sit.
Right. Oh.
Larry is, So. Yes.
So our shout outs.
Venus is where Serena Williams and Didiand Dexter from Dexter's Laboratory. Yes.
Classic.
There's so many great siblingsjust out in the world that just exist.
Just think about celebrating.

(12:56):
Yeah. Just to be like, who do I. Well,it was a sibling.
I want to celebrate today just because.
This is also Courtney.
It's day six is day 66.
Halfway through seasonone rehearsal with Hargis.
It's daysix of our dynamic duo of dynamic duos.
Countdown.
Well, we're trying to get eitherWillow and Jaden Smith on the show

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for Debbie Allen and PhyliciaRashad on other one I also want to name.
we these are if those are our feet,we would love this are dynamic duos.
We want those.
If you all of the siblings and y'allwant to holler at us, come on now.
Well, we'll take some. Affleck's right.
Oh yeah.
We'll take right there. Up there.

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Other ones. Right. We'll take,I'll take the Harrises.
I'll take.
I'll take the Harris'sready. We'll take Harris's.
Oh, yes. Yes. Wood and Steve.
Yes, ma'am.
Also, I do just, like a Hemsworth.
I think they're pretty.There's not all of them.
You can just all all you hereand all some parts.
Wayans I'll take all seven.

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I'll take all the Wayans. Any.
Any way, any or all Wayans.
Any and all. Yes.
Any 700.
However, y'all, however, most you know,you can do zoom rooms a lot, so we can.
We we could make it work.
We could do it.
Cousins, second cousins,everybody who ever want to come on.
Right. Who else?

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I don't know if Michael Jordanhas any siblings, but that's just.
But he can if he hit me rightgot or basically brothers so.
Right. That'll work.
So yes we haveour dynamic duo of dynamic duos,
but also if there are other famous
siblings, if they're, you know,some of my favorite siblings.
And hey, you know, Craig Robinson,Michelle Obama, if y'all want to trade,
you know, do a double siblingspodcast situation,

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that would be awesome.
Some cross promo, right?
I, I would be down for that.
I'd be super duper
sure our profile is a little smallerbecause you clearly need our numbers.
John.
Numbers.
Right.
Profile's a little smaller than yours,but hey,

(15:03):
I think we could bring somesome dope energy.
Yeah, to your podcast, and you could bringsome gravitas, to our podcast.
Yeah,you could class it up a little bit for us.
Class it up a little bit for us.
So. Yeah.
So just so think, because we have selectedour dynamic duos of,
of the Smiths and the Allen Rashad's

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don't think that we don't want you
other famous and or semi-famous siblings.
We would love you to.
So that is day six of our dynamicduo of dynamic 666 All right.
And with that,we're going to shift into our main moment.
Now is the time for the main moment.
The part of the showwhere we dig a little deeper.
Whether it's creativity, culture,chaos or care.

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This is where we pull the threadand see what unravels.
Definitely their main moment. Music.
So we are we are not bright some days.
It's a good time.
Today's mademoment really is about reflection.
We are reflecting on our process.
You know,we have a goal of 12 first season

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episodes, and we're six in our six in.
So we thought we would take this momentto, you know,
you know, partway through this road trip, kick in reverse.
Just take a second look back onwhat we've learned right?
Put in reverse.
Put in reverse here,but really talk about, like,

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just reflection as a concept, you know,like the core of what we talk about
is creative processand how we like, work together,
how we manage our products, how we engageas creative beings in the world.
And reflectionis such a big process of that.
And so, yeah, we have some questions
that center reflection and growth.

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And so with that, our first question iswhat have we learned about ourselves
as co-hosts over this firsthalf of the season?
This is a good question.
I think what I've learned about myselfas a co-host
is that, mean,you can kind of host anything
I feel that I do, we can kindyou put us in a room or on some type

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of television show, or I think we couldI think we could really do some damage
with a real budget,but that is that is just me.
And like, I've also learnedto be more confident in my, like,
knowledge of things like I used to likeI know things, but like I feel very,

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Like, like I, you know, I know thing,but like,
I don't really, like, knowstuff, but, like, I feel like doing this.
I feel like I kind of know stuff.
That stuff again.
I also realize that
I want to punch you a lot. You.
You're not I know, I kid,
I don't want to punch Courtney Right nowknow right now.

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No, I get it.
I fully understand what you're saying.
As much as I am, joking with you aroundit, like, you do know things,
and it's been fun for me to get to havethese conversations about your process.
These are like some of these questionsI just wouldn't have asked you.
Not because I don't care,but because, like we've known,

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we know each other so well that like sothere's so much about you that I know
and I'm familiar with this becausesiblings and known each other forever.
It is helpful to have to askyou more direct questions about your work
or have to ask you about,you know, your depth of film knowledge.
Like, I knew you were a filmnerd, but I didn't know no.

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No. Five like new new.
And so I am getting to experiencelike film nerd
you in a new and interesting way.
I do also believe,especially after that two hour episode,
that, like,we can just fill some time, in a way

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where it's like, you know,we first started there was part of me
was like, I'm not even surewhat we'll have to talk about.
And now it's like, oh, right.
Edit you know, like, let's we can do less.
Yeah.
And so yeah, that's been somethingI've learned about myself around
what it takes to fill the spaceor how we can be engaging and like,

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what are the conversations that,that we want to be having?
And can we fill them in waysthat are also mindful
that other people have to listen to them?
So, I think that's a thing
that a lot of peoplewho host podcasts don't do.
They are not mindful that other peoplealso have to listen to this.
I think they just get in here, starttalking and talk about like, nonsense

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or stuff and and not necessarily nonsense,but like, sometimes this nonsense.
Well, I think we are also in many waystalking about nonsense.
We are also nonsense.
But sometimes people are talkingabout stuff that that has no.
Spiritual,emotional or physical nutritional value.
And like, I feel like we hit

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not so much the physical value,but we hit some of the spiritual
in, in like an emotionaland sometimes creative nutritional value.
But some people are just like,nope, we're just Hot Cheetos.
Just we're just Hot Cheetos.
We taste real good,but we don't, you know, they do not
know.
I think there is.
I was having a conversation, last week,I was on this panel

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and we're talking with our entrepreneurs
and the one of the things that keptcoming up was like, authenticity
and how a lot of emerging artsentrepreneurs or creative people
kind of like, are trying to chasethe dragon of, like, audience validation.
Well, if I do the thing that the audiencewants, then I'll be popular.
Or if I do, if I try to read

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the market and, like,get in front of that, then I'll win.
And I think that I realize I'mtalking slowly
because it looks like I'm about toI think that trying to read the market is.
Is impossible for me.
I think I've talkedI talked about this in a previous episode
where it's, like really hardfor me to read what the audience and

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I can get audience response, but I likeI can't just like predict in my head
what I think the audience is going to likeor what's going to And the.
Why this is related to what we're talkingabout podcast wise and reflection,
is that I think people a lot of timespeople start creative projects
really trying to like,mind the audience, trying to be like, I'm
doing this thing to just get the feedback,but just be the audience response.

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And I'm not saying you can't do that.
I am saying that you don't always knowwhat the audience is going to do.
And so trying to do this work,which is fairly hard, at the very least
it's time consuming.
It takes some attentionwhile because you're waiting
for the audience to like,tell you how great you are,
it's going to be really frustratingbecause that's not what happens.

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And so I do feel like some of the podcasts
or even just creative projects in generalthat are about,
just trying to chase audience validationthat are just about trying
to get people to like you means thatthey have that like nutritional value.
They're trying to, again, be the HotCheetos without really being Hot Cheetos.

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And no hate on Hot Cheetos.
No, not a single hit on Hot Cheetos.
But yeah, but there's like nothing therebecause they're trying to be, you know,
bright orange and spicy.
They're trying to be like, well,they like Hot Cheetos.
So how can I replicate Hot Cheetos?
And it's like, firstyou have to replicate Cheetos.
First you have to replicate Cheetos.

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You have to you have to have something.
They are first, and then you have to comeup with a great idea like Hot Cheetos.
That Hot Cheetos movie was really good.
there's like a documentaryof like how like a or like
a, like a biopicof how the Hot Cheeto was created.
Oh, and it's very good, Eva Longoria.
It's produced by Eve Longoria. Yeah. Yeah.

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But it is.
It like you can'tyou can't fake authenticity.
And I know some people out therehave done that right.
But theyI feel like one it all falls apart.
And again, me I said as I saidan episode ago to a few episodes ago,
I want my money, out. Right.
I don't want to I don't want to fake itbecause then, you know, I have

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you can't trust it.
I want to trust it.
But no, I, I totally get you on that.You want to be.
You want to be able to trust youryour make sure that your money is
good money that you feel comfortablewith the money that you're around.
Right?I want to be comfortable with the success.
And I really think that.
There are people out there who just,
you know, who make thingsjust because they think
the audience is going to, like,give them everything they need and aren't

(23:52):
like at all internally motivatedabout the thing they're trying to make.
And I'm not sayingevery piece of art has to have everything,
but sometimes people get frustrated.
It feels when it's like not hittingthe way they thought it was going to hit.
And I was like, the work making the workfeel.
Take the exact same amount of effort.
And so making, to be fair,making shitty art

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and making great art takesthe same amount of internal motivation.
You still have to build it,even even with I.
You know, if you're out there doing that,
you still have to work with it, refine it,figure it out.
And so knowing if that's the case for me,I, I would rather just.
Make the art.
Yeah I want that motivates me.

(24:34):
I get that. I get that a lot.
But what, what surprised youabout the process of making this podcast?
I think I overestimated.
No, I won't say that some of the thingsI thought would be hard weren't hard,
and some of the things that I thoughtwould be easy were hard.
Yeah.
Do you want to elaborate on on that or.

(24:55):
No, I'm happy to.
So like, I, I actually thought buildinga structure would be harder.
And we're still working through it,but like, I really and
I know this is the theater person, meor whatever, but I really like
probably would have scripted itmore solidly.
Okay, we need to like, edit every episodeand we do every edit every episode.
But like really hard, it's like,
okay, we're going to have like draftone of our script.

(25:17):
And then and Iprobably would have like overworked
And then we got to a format of like,let's talk through it, here
are the questions here or our theme,and then like, let's just go.
Let's just go.
Felt I was like, oh, that feels far.
A lot more natural.That felt a little easier.
Yeah.
Than I thought, you know,

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editing is a full time job.
A full time job,
you know, shout
out to Tyronefor really spearheading the editing.
I mean, I definitely stand overand I'm like, what's that sound?
But I know I'm just there to feel likeI look busy.
Tyrone really does.
The body doubling helps, though.

(26:01):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we get to do it together.
But I'm definitely there in spirit
and worth in an effort.
So. Yeah.
So, like, just how much that would take.
Probably.
I probably underestimated that.So that was a surprise.
But we got to it.
And I've been surprisedabout the response,

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and not because I didn't thinkpeople would like it.
I thought it would be good.
But again, you know,
I said I'm definitely motivated by like,it was it's really cool to do.
I really enjoy the process of making it.
But there are people who I knowwho've responded
really consistently to itin ways that I just wasn't prepared for.

(26:42):
And it's just been a reallyit's been a joyful surprise.
Yeah, it is definitely been a really coolsurprise of just like people being like,
okay.
But like, I listen every week, like,I like I'm kind of invested.
people bring you up.
Things we've said on the podcastto us in conversation to go, yeah,
I remember when you talked about blah blah
blah, or, you know,I see, I see you talked about that.

(27:06):
Yeah. I see how that like, works inhow we're engaging.
I'm like, oh, right.
People listen to that because peoplelisten to this because you listen to it.
And I want them to be very happy for it.
Yeah. Say listening.
Let us know. And we lovewe really do love your feedback.
I like to hear what speaks to peopleI like to hear
and what isn't speaking to people.
So if you know us and are listening,tell us.

(27:28):
I feel. Yeah.
And if you don't know us,that email stays open.
Hustlin with hargis@gmail.com stays theI feel.
Yeah. Tell us how you feel about it.
You know, especially now it's early.
Like we haven't gotten so famousthat we are
that we're gonna cut people off yet.
But I'm not saying that that will come.

(27:49):
Out. Don't get too comfortable.
Okay. Comfortable.
So don't interrupt.
Anybody can be chopped.
Right.
But right now, everybody everybody's here.
And right now we're welcome.
Come tell us how you feel. Give us your.
Give us your thoughts, your feedback.
So stick.

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I'm just saying.
Yeah. No, I feel you on that though.
I, I am surprised at how easy it isto just do this.
And like, I think it's easy one becausewe enjoy each other's company in general.
But to to have a conversation,you're about to say something.
I knew you're about to say somethingridiculous.
I saw it's no, no, you were cooking.

(28:33):
So I was like, I'm going to let him.
I'm going to let her keep going.
I dude, so I just I took some water inside
because I was like,no, it's you're offering a genuine moment.
But there's definitelya sibling energy moment
where it was like,you should say something and no,
that'snot, that's not, that's just activism
and that's grown.

(28:54):
No, I, I am surprised on how
how easy it is for us to just get on hereand really talk about and,
and embrace each other's processesand like when one of us is down
to help each other, you know, pickeach other up and like, also enjoyable,
like really beautiful, silly timethat I don't know if I would want to.

(29:17):
I don't know if I could do this,this naturally with anybody else.
No. You're so nice to me.
I do silly things to him too sometimeson the on on the on camera only on camera.
Right. That's real.
Oh, man.
we weren't going to do this question,but I am curious
because I think it is we're talking about
it's like how we grown creativelyor technically since episode one.

(29:37):
I'm getting moreand more comfortable in Adobe Premiere.
That's what we edit the show in.
So, that is becomingI'm like looking up more tutorials
on how to like, kind of ways ofstreamlining the editing process.
Like you say, like Courtneysaid, it's it's not daunting,

(29:58):
but it does takea lot longer than I want it.
And I feel like
and I feel like a lot of itis, yes, like inexperience
and like only understandingthe tools that I know currently.
But there's a lot of bit of me whereit's like, I'm, I'm doing something wrong,
where I should be able to just kind ofknock this out in a day or two

(30:19):
instead of the like seven days.
It takes me.
And again, I get that a lot of it is me.
It's user error.
There are days where I'm like,I don't even turn on my computer.
So like like my rest days.
But it shouldn't take me that long.
And and that's the thing where I'm like,I actually I can I can figure this out.

(30:40):
So that's the thingI think create both creatively and
and technicallythat's the thing that I'm really into.
I think creatively I feel more comfortabletalking about stuff.
I feel more creatively,I feel more comfortable
talking creativelyabout the things that I like to create.
that is great.
I forgot for a while how much I enjoythis type of conversation.

(31:02):
Like, I like a panel.
I like talking about creative process.
You know,I spent the majority of my career
talking to artists about making art,and it's been a while
since I've gotten to do that, engagein an engaged way.
Like, I'm, you know, as a theater maker.
I'm somebody who likes rehearsal.
And one of my favorite parts
about rehearsal is talking about thewhy of the thing we're making.

(31:23):
And so I feel like I've grown creativelyin being like, oh, yeah, right.
This is the thing I like doing.I like talking about the process.
I like tearing a part of it
and like getting in there, you know,like, oh, like, what is what is that?
Why do we make that choice?
I both I've alsoI think I've gotten looser
technically in that I was like, right,
I need to make sureI do want to make sure our audio is fine.

(31:45):
I want to make sure our video is fine.
I want to get likeI have some thoughts about that.
And I'm also just like,and we're just going to talk about
the things that matter to us.
Like, I think there are ways in which I'mI've gotten.
I've just like let go of someof the control and be like, you know what?
If I can't, we'll do it live.
Like we're going to just be here,
you know, like, aware of, like there'sonly so much that I can control.
There's only so much of itI can really fight with.

(32:08):
And weI feel like we're using the resources
we have in, like, some really creativeand interesting ways, but, aren't
I'm not so stuck on what's happeningor how does it look?
Or does it look exactlyperfect before we, like, get it out there?
Yeah, that's really great.
That is do you feel like thatthat has kind of,
bled into your own personalcreative journey?

(32:32):
I think it's gotten me a bitmore comfortable just filming things,
and I, still haven't quite gotten tojust, like, just start the camera,
do the thing.
Mean, I'm trying to get better at that,
just to be more open, less prepared.
And that's not what I mean.
It's it's less,I don't know, polished or rehearsed.

(32:53):
But it is.
I'm getting more comfortable and like,oh, yeah, we could just.
We can try this.
I have these tools.
We can have we can make some typeof slightly imperfect versions.
We'll see. We'll see how it how it goes.
Love it. Love it so much.
Do you have a momentfrom our earlier episode
that you think about often,or that you would do differently?
That's a good question.

(33:14):
And I don't know right I.
Laugh at myself,in listening to the older episodes,
because I just hear the momentswhere it's like, oh, I have this.
I'm going to go off and on this moment,like the fact that, like I have,
I haven't intended to like railabout capitalism

(33:34):
in every episode, but we just get there.
And that's funny to me. Like that snap!
That was definitely not anythingI intended to be.
And I am not.
Nearly as informed about all the thingsthat I want to be informed
about as I should be.
And you know, I am not.
Probably as wellread as, like, a Brennan Mulligan, or

(33:56):
as it's deeply informed,in In the Politic, as you know,
I am informed,but I feel like there's a ways
in which I just, like,could deepen it that I haven't yet.
But I see these connections,I see these moments, and I'm like,
okay,this is why I think capitalism has ruined
whatever the thing is we're talking about.
And so I do not start.

(34:17):
And Tyrone can vouch for this.
I have never in our noteswritten, we're going to talk about
capitalism in in the preparation thoughman it just happens.
It's so funny.
And it's never been like my
oh this is where I'm going to blah blah.
It's so funny. It's so it just happens.

(34:38):
It just appears.
And so that is, something I think about,
I feel like every episode we try to addjust a little bit
of something, you know, just a little bitmore polished, a little bit more refined.
That's what I was going to say.
So yeah.
So there is nothingI would go back and redo,
although maybe after, you know,after we get through this whole season,

(34:59):
me, I might sit down and just like, relisten, I'm excited
at some point to go through and hearjust some of the bits, some of the stuff
that was funny in the moment and like,see what holds up, what comes.
But what do I want to, like,come back to? Yeah.
And it is probably either some nonsenseabout capitalism or Probably my fantastic
war rant. I'm excited to see the movie,but I still.

(35:20):
Oh, the Fantastic Four rant is very good.
I felt it'sdefinitely my favorite moments.
Yeah. That and the Tom Brady one.
The Tom Brady rant is alwaysis pretty solid.
Yeah, I'm kind of mad at the thingsthat I feel most solid about as me
going off on the things I hate, I don't,I like to be a positive and we gotta,
we gotta figure that out.We gotta talk that through.
I have to go back through it.

(35:41):
But yeah.
So, you know, again, folks,we would love to hear
if there are moments that you heard
or that resonated with youthat you want to come back to
or that you want us to revisit.
I would love to.I lied, there is one thing.
And that is during the senator's rant,we made it a point to say
we're going to talkabout the women in centers.
And then we went off on a different space,

(36:01):
and we mentioned them,but we never came back.
We never came back.
So maybe we'll do a secret bonusepisode of Just what was left around.
Senator Rand,because I did listen to that.
And I was like, we said, we're goingto put a pin in this and come back to it.
And we and we did it.
So that's it. That is. Yes. That'sprobably the one thing I would change.
Yeah.
That's valid.

(36:21):
I, I cosign with you on that one.
But like I think I,I have really enjoyed the early episodes
and I agree that we haveI feel like every episode is better
than the last episode, likewe're putting more polish to it, where
we're understanding our structureand our format better each time.

(36:42):
So there's not a lotbesides the sinners thing, I
there's not a lot of thingsI would change or do differently.
I really enjoy where we are,and I'm very excited
to see what this next sixis gonna look like.
the back nine, even though yes, back nine.
Has anything we said or sharedsparked conversations
we didn't about, among my friends,

(37:05):
our relationship itselfhas sparked conversations
with people whose siblingsthey have not talked to in some time,
which is which was pretty wildfor me to hear, like, people are like,
I love the relationshipthat you and Courtney have so much that
it made me want to reach out to a siblingthat I haven't talked to in years.

(37:27):
And I wept
with so you.
It felt so nice to hear, but it was alsoit was not something I was expected.
I, I don't think me and Courtney expected
to make a podcastthat bring the siblings back together.
Yeah,we just wanted to talk about dumb shit.
Okay?
And our creative process is.

(37:48):
And like,it just it's growing into this thing.
But people are reallythe conversations that are happening
are all all the conversationsthat are happening.
I was not expecting.
Yeah. Yeah. Same.I've definitely had for some folks.
Just feel like your siblingrelationship is special.
I know other people have themand other people have siblings. You?

(38:09):
that I know what I mean.
Other people have positivesibling relationships, but,
many people have just said that, like,our energy is special and it is.
That was unexpected.
Partially because, like,this is just this is this is my brother.
This is how we hey, this is how we,you know, so I was just like, I.
And I recognize that not everybody'srelationships are different.

(38:30):
But yeah, I just didn't get the senseI, I was surprised,
at the number of people who wantedto talk to us about their siblings.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The people, peoplewanting to talk to us about their siblings
is also something that isthat is just new and and interesting.
And I and I'm really glad that we can bethis kind of like, like, sounding board

(38:54):
for people to be able to express this,
this, this feeling for their siblings,whether that feeling is like angst
or joy or I've had some people who like,oh my, I, you know, I lost a sibling.
So it's been like griefand being able to like, communicate
that I'm listening to this like,
feels like you know, the conversationsthat they want to have with their sibling

(39:16):
feels like we're having it with themand it feels
it's just real,all connected and beautiful.
And then it's, you know, it's very nice.
Yeah.
It's also been, some of the conversationshave been sparked.
This is about other people, abouttheir creative processes, like, yeah.
And I realize how. Limited.
That's not quite the word I want.
But go with me around people.

(39:37):
In that when you're catching upwith friends, when you're having
these conversations with folks,you rarely get to hear
any one of your friendstalk for 90 minutes about anything, right?
Yeah.
And I'm not saying you can't have deepone on one conversations with folks,
but a lot of times when you arejust in real conversation with people
you actually know, those conversationsare about what's happening in your life.

(40:00):
How are you doing, what's going on,what's happening in the world.
But the topics like moves all over
and you rarely get to kind of divedeep into anything.
Or any more,or maybe even more than one topic.
For any real length of time. Yeah.
And this podcast is giving us a spacewhere we get to talk about something

(40:22):
or a few things for a very long time,and then people get to come
talk to us about that thing. Yes.
You know what I mean?
Like, in some ways,it's like we got to have,
45 minutes of a conversation before,and then we get to see them,
and now we get to, like,we skipped through some of that.
Now we get to dive deep now.

(40:42):
Yeah, I have loved that.
Based on the series episode.
So when people have talked to usabout scenarios
and but the conversation doesn'thave to start at did you see centers?
They were like, no.
Okay.
You said the thing about centers,
this is no, I want a yeah,this is what I want to share about it.
It's like or I don't know if I agreewith that, blah blah blah.
And I was maybe the extrovert in me.

(41:03):
This is the person who just likes to talk.
I also kind of enjoy gettingto start conversations with other people,
kind of two thirds of the way through,
I was thinking the same thing.
I love having conversations with people,and the conversation started a week ago
and I write like, because I got to say,I got to say my part on the podcast.

(41:23):
Yeah.
So I get to listen.
I get to hear more about whatpeople think about the things.
Or, you know, I'm very excited to hearnow that fantastic words out.
I'm very excited to hear how folksfeel about our family and our books.
Now, you know, based on that and you know,
I'm happy to take Tom Brady spoke all day.

(41:45):
I hate Tom Brady.
And I would talk about that to anyone,
but I don't get to share my deephate for Tom Brady often.
And now I'm on record.
And so now record.
Maybe others too will get to talk to me
about how they hate or,you know, sports figure of their choice.
So I specifically sports figures, right.

(42:06):
It could bewe could talk about average people.
You know, I'm sure you know,
there have been some really great, HulkHogan hot takes, that I've been into.
I do, I I'm into that.
So if folks want to talk about it. Great.
And and so yeah, the sparks conversationsthat I haven't expected
have really been people who are like,I saw you did the thing.

(42:28):
Happy to.Now I want to talk to you about it.
And we probably would not have gottento that point of the conversation.
Yeah, one on one or without the podcast.
That's super real.
And I love I man,I love you said coming into a conversation
two thirds of the way it was, it feltI felt it deep in Macondo, okay.

(42:50):
Deep in Macondo.
So it's like,oh yeah, it's like again, I got to
I got to share my part because I know, oh,
how I feel about it already,and I'm happy to share that with folks.
But now I really like
that people have received the invitationto share how they feel about the thing.
Yes, and that's what I get to learn.And I get to participate.
And it's like, great.So my my feelings are out of the way.
What do you think?What do youth. And I'm just sitting here.

(43:11):
I'm just I'm right. Yeah.
Taking it and go back forth. Yeah.
But I reallyI love that that's been really fun.
Looking ahead for next season.
All right.
The second half, you know,I can say the back nine
the backand the second half of the season.
What are some themes we're thinking about?
What is what's what's stewingin the good melting pot of the brain?

(43:32):
It's a good question.
I think I think I would like us.
To explore some interviews,you know, maybe get them out there
like either local business ownersor creative entrepreneurs.
We know just to see, like,how are you feeling?
Like we've gotten to talk a lot about usand our projects. Yes.

(43:53):
I would, I think like a good deepdive into, like, one of our projects.
Okay.
You know, like,like maybe we have a whole episode
where it'sI know you love this whole episode
where it's just like me interviewingyou about, like, epic and like, so.
So you say,I love it in this sarcastic tone, and I.

(44:13):
And I hear you, but joke's on you.
I actually kind of love that idea. Right?
Well, right.
And I understand, like, or,you know, even, and and so put on me
where you talk to me either about, like,we have to go
dive deep into the solving practiceor dive deep into the, like, sewing
practice, like we're picking a project

(44:34):
and maybe doing some video, like a deeper,some deeper dives into, like,
what we're doing and why we're doing itor what we're thinking about.
I really love them.
Also thinking about, We haven't done
we've been talking about pop culture, but,you know, we
I feel like we've been talking about itin some type of evergreen way.

(44:54):
Like, so what is a responsive thing like,I don't know if I could be like,
you know,we try to shoot on this every other week.
Well,
so like what what what would it look liketo talk about something
that's happening in the news today rightnow. Yeah.
And I'm not even 1% sureI want to do that,
but I think that would justjust end up something.
Yeah, something to shake it up.
Yeah.
And, if folks are interested,

(45:17):
you know, we'll definitely reach outto our audience, see how y'all feel.
But, like, I think I would like us to try,like, a live a watch party of some sort.
Absolutely.
Where?
Yeah, we put on some nonsense and see howwe can comment what we can comment on.
Like,I don't know if we want to let y'all know
that nonsense is going to be HBOis the Cherokee kid.

(45:39):
I thought about this Cherokee kid.
That's what it's going to do to his.
And also Sinbadfellow Michigan native. Yes.
Shout out to you.
And so it might be the Cherokee kid.
I can't I can't promise,but it could also be like, do
we want to watch somethingfairly new together?
I don't know.
So yeah, I justbut I want to explore more.

(46:01):
Responsive media viewing.
Yeah. Yeah, I would like it to bea little bit more interactive.
And so if that's, you know, interviews or all of that.
Yeah.
And, you know, themes or stories,
I don't think we've really talkedalso about failure.
That was going to be mine.
I was like, I would
I think it'd be cool to talk about, like,failing and like how we handle failure.

(46:24):
Yeah.
And like what, what that means, you know,we talked about success last time, so.
Yeah. Failure.
And maybe we should have thisan episode that this is about like,
revenuegenerating, like, is about capitalism.
Like, what is our relationship to money?
How do we view making money?
How do we do pricing?
Yeah.
No, I that I want that same question,but also I want to include because

(46:46):
I realize I offered some of theselike things you want to experiment
with like format or toneor you know, content wise,
I, you know, you kind of hit the nailon the head with those.
I really enjoyed all those.
All those, like those are decisionsthat I would also have made.
I really like those tone wise.

(47:06):
I, like I said,I would like to go with interviews.
You mentioned this on
one of our sojourns, doing a live show
and like, that's the thing I think wouldit would be really cool to do a live show.
How we do it is different.
But like the concept,it would just be cool.
Just, just to do a live show.

(47:27):
Yeah, I would be,I would, I would like that.
But I think it'd be fun.
I don't know, I mean, you you covereda good portion of it, and I'm cosigning.
So big thumbs up on that one there, chief.
Way to go.
Yeah.
In our, you know, in closing out our mainmoment, on reflection, what?
Is, I know a reflection.

(47:48):
Do you have one big takeaway from thisfirst six episodes?
One big takeawayfrom this first six episodes.
if I had to give a takeaway, it's
a it's really just kind of trustthe process.
Like, I'm really just trying shit and
and and it seems to be workingpretty well.

(48:10):
Like we ain't got no money yet,but I'm enjoying
doing these, like the editing can,you know, I'm going to figure that out.
But like, I like this. I like doing this.
I like having fun with you and
and and trusting the process of,like, building something with somebody
that you really love and care aboutand want to be successful with.

(48:33):
Same. Yeah.
My takeaway really is, yeah,just do the thing.
Just do the thing.
I feel like I've gotten some skills.
I just have some more understandingabout, like,
what it means to build,what it means to promote.
What do I want to engage?
I really like this type of format,you know?
Yeah, I like the conversation.

(48:53):
I like getting to engage. I do.
I like being creative with you.
Yeah.
Somebody who I care about and respectand feel close to.
Right?
I don't say respect now.
I'm just.
Ridiculous.
But yeah, it really is.
Just, like, just do the thing.
Yeah.
I said earlier and I mean, it'sjust really kind of helped me

(49:15):
be in practiceand release some of the perfectionism
while also saying, like,this is what I can.
I can still bring my best or bring,my integrity or my process to it.
I can bring like my skills to itwithout also having to be like,
if it's not exactly right,then we aren't going to do it.
And I'm proud of it.
I'm really proud of what we've done,and I'm happy to keep doing it.
Happy to keep All right. Fantastic.

(49:37):
Look at us.
So we're going to pivot Ellenand our deep and thoughtful main moment,
our deep, moment and reflection,
and go into our favorite media reviews.
We're going to dopress play or not or an all

(50:03):
or all.
Right.
This is where we give you the real on whatwe've been watching, reading or playing.
Is it binge worthy or backgroundnoise classic, or could it?
Let's get into We got to talk about this.
We talked about the Superman.
The Superman was all gas.
Maybe I, I loved every minute of itfrom start to finish.

(50:26):
Every minute of it, every minute of it.
It I love I loved Superman,I love it, love it.
We are going to try to keep spoilersto a minimum.
Yeah, but yeah,
you can definitely give it a steep dive,but it is definitely a press play.
Like definitely a press play.
Definitely press play. Go see it.

(50:48):
Because it is just
a beautiful telling of Superman.
Has a deep understanding of Superman.You know,
I always have a rant for everythingbecause that's just who I am.
And we're six episodes inand you don't know, rants come in.
It's probably the first episode, right?
It's right. Surprise. It's about Superman.
So my issue with the Snyder verse,

(51:10):
is they were really pretty.
Look at films,I think, and this is my issue.
This is not about Zack Snyder, actually.
This is actually about how I thinkcontemporary masculinity
has ruined Superman.
In that people view Supermanand I say contemporary masculinity,
particularly like men who a lot of men,not all men

(51:30):
hashtagnot all men, but a whole lot of men.
And definitely
Who view Superman.
They like they view themselvesas an avatar for Superman.
And I think this is actually whya lot of the right and MAGA
is so angry at this new quoteunquote work.
Superman is because they view themselvesas Superman

(51:52):
v Superman as an avatar for themselves,they view the things
like his powers as,the thing they align to.
So the fact that he's so strongand powerful and has the laser vision
and all like they're like, yeah,that if if I was the most powerful man
in the world, I would in essencebe a good person through force.

(52:16):
That's how they feel their life,because nobody could fuck with me,
because nobody could beat me up.
I'm going toI could then be free to be a good person.
And they believe, I think a lot of folks
and I because I havethis is a separate rant.
I don't believeI said this on the podcast,
but this is connected in thatI think toxic masculinity

(52:38):
has made men have to.
Frankly, build a persona that
then allows them to be the personthey actually want to be, right?
Where it's like they build time out.
Time out.
No, it's why like it's why.
Like,you have these, archetypes of the, like,

(52:59):
super buff, but really kind dude, right?
Or like, dudes who are so straightthat they feel like homo erotic, right?
Where it's likethey build this armor of masculinity to
then allow them to be who they want to beI think as an example, it's Mike Tyson
keeping pigeons or whatever,because nobody's going to beat him up.

(53:21):
His masculinity is so neverin question that he had
he had to be a superman in orderto be the soft bird keep and do that.
He wants to be right.
And, and in many wayshe is his interviews.
If you, you know, listento recent interviews where he talked about
how like, the dude he had to beto get out of the environments

(53:44):
he was in, he doesn'teven want to access that dude anymore.
And I think a lot of men do this.
A lot of men or people who engagein masculine and they build, Superman.
They build the strongest versionthat they think he can be, like the hyper,
you know, if you watch suitsthe Harvey Specter where I just have to be

(54:04):
cool and detached and whatever tothen allow me to care about people.
And so why I thinkSuperman was so triggering for folks
who haven't built that.
The strength is that, like Supermanin this version
and James Gunn's version of Superman?
Always wanted to be a cool dude.

(54:25):
He just also happens to be strong,powerful, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the thing he insisted on doingwas being kind,
was being there forpeople, was being accessible.
And I don't know if you've,
seen some of these reviews for James Gunntalking about the squirrel scene
where in the middle of the giant fight,he saves.
He saves a squirrel? Yeah.

(54:45):
And the fight aroundkeeping that in in the movie,
where people were like,why would he, like, make it the point?
Why would he, in fighting all the things
this giant fight going on,why would he, like,
save the squirrel in JamesGunn's like, no, that's the point.
The point of Supermanis that he wants to protect everyone,
even somebody who has no means to give himgratitude or affection or whatever

(55:07):
he's protecting for protecting people'ssake and like for people
who are super right wing or fundamentalistor MAGA to feel like that's a problem.
It's like you'rethe strongest man in the world.
Why would you help people?
And like Superman's whole point is, I'mthe strongest man in the world.
Why wouldn't I help people?
Why? Yeah, I it not only am I.

(55:29):
Not only do I want to,I am also obligated to
to to do the bestI can do to save people in any way I can.
And I'm obligated by me. By me.
I obligated, yeah, by the universe.
Like I'm called it. Like this is.
This is the only wayI know how to be an even.
This is a spoiler.So sorry if you have watched Superman.

(55:51):
I'll try to be vague about it,but like, even the fact that he changes
who his messengeris, where he has a driving messenger,
where he like, I believe this.
And when he gets more informationabout that messenger's motivations,
he's like, oh, teller, wrong, I'mso sorry.
And picks a different messenger. Yeah.

(56:13):
He's like, no, I can't.
I'm not about that in this way.
That's once I see what the whole thing is.
No thank you.
I watch this movie.
This movie is so good. It's so good.
So go see it. Super press play.But it really is it.
It brings in some of the silly.
I also appreciate thatit assumes all the people around

(56:35):
Clark and Superman are also smartand capable in their own ways.
And I also believe in Lex Luther.
Like presenting a manwho is both insanely jealous.
It's his
actual his actual words, but not insecure.
And I think people as a whole don'tquite understand how to deal with that.

(56:57):
But the idea that he's like, no,these are all the things
I'm capable of, and the fact that, like,I can be this good
and can't get to you is maddening.
Is maddening.
It is maddening.
And it makes him violent.
But he's also not alone.
He has the team.
He has people like.
It lets people know spoileralert for real life

(57:20):
is that you can follow terrible
people who actually know they're terrible,but think they're justified in it.
he is not alone. Crazy person.
He is, in fact a powerful billionairewith employees
who are all alignedto doing the terrible thing he's doing.
So that's probably you two. That's me.

(57:40):
That's how fascism works.
In that clip, I'm very clear on like,what you're doing is terrible,
and you just think it's the thingyou want to be.
Do you think you want to be alignedwith the winning side?
It doesn't make it less terrible.
Being funded doesn't mean you're great.
It just means you're funded. In any case.
Being funded doesn't mean you're great.

(58:00):
It just means you're funded.
This week is Courtney's clip.
This is gonna be all Courtney Clipsthis week, and I'm totally okay with that.
Oh, I mean, what more can you say?
Go see Superman.
Superman press play.
Absolutely, absolutely.
But as we watched the amateur
with Rami Malik and LaurenceFishburne. Yes.

(58:22):
Also press play, also press play,I really enjoyed it.
Really enjoyed it. Really great.
Kind of like spy.
but more like tech spy film.
A little like if you have it reminded meof like if Eagle Eye, that Shia
LaBeouf movie and enemy of the state

(58:42):
had like a baby, it would be the amateur.
And maybe a little, you know, a little
Jason Bourne in therejust for some little Jason Bourne movie.
Jason Bourne,nothing too great. Definitely.
Yeah. I really like you.
I, I have, I don't think I've seen EagleEye, but Eli's pretty eagle eyes.
Pretty good.But enemy of the state? Definitely.
Yeah.

(59:02):
And it was interesting. I appreciated the.
It is a bit of an underdog story as well.
Yeah.
But also like, who's who's right
in, space when everybody's wrong,you know?
So true, so true.
No, I amateur is definitely a press play.
This is an older one, not older one.
But we watched this one.

(59:23):
Couple weeks, maybe like a month agonow, which was the account in two,
which was far better than it hadany right to me.
I really enjoyed your press play for me.
The accountant two, Ben Affleck,Jon Bernthal it is.
I feel like the accountantand the accountant.
You are two different movies, a sequel,but I feel they also feel like two

(59:47):
tonally different movies.
That clearly exists in the same universeand that, like, the characters
travel like, but it very much feels like.
They set out to make two different movies.
Yeah, yeah, because The Accountant islike, definitely like an action thriller.
You know, Anna Kendrick,John Lithgow's in this movie.

(01:00:08):
This is their movie.
This solid moviehad a ton of people in it, but good.
Yeah,but you can't turn like the intrigue.
Yes, yes.
The accountantwho is definitely a buddy cop.
Yeah.
Yeah, it really is like 48 hours.
Yeah.
You know, like,it feels very much more like
Lethal Weapon or, I would even say

(01:00:30):
like, good old, Tango and cashwith that, slice.
Yeah, with Stallone and,
Russell.
Kurt. Russell. Yes.
Or like or like in Rouge with like. Yes.
Yes. That's classic.
Yes. Good old Irish to it.
Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson. Yes.

(01:00:51):
Well done.
All right.
Let's go.
Or lock, stock and barrel with,Robert Downey Jr and, Yakima is that.
No. You're thinking of,it's not locked stock, broken barrels.
You're thinking of that kisskiss bang bang kiss kiss bang bang. Yes.
And it was for one.
Yeah, right.
I'm making sure because there was alsolike Tinker tailor, soldier spy, but it's.

(01:01:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's Gary Oldman.
Let's get on that.
Yes. Kiss kissmigraine is the one you're talking about.
But yeah.
So it felt, And so it just it did,it felt like two different movies
featuring the same characters aredefinitely, like, clearly in relationship,
but one is so much more like spy games,like intrigue, like.
Yeah, in that.
Who will they?

(01:01:35):
Won't they figure it out?
Will they get away? Who's a bad guy? Yeah.
Like almost like insideman. Even like in that.
Yes. And the accountant two
is much morewhat we listed like kind of buddy cop.
Yeah.
It's like a The Expendables versusjust two people right.
Yeah.
So like and it is, it was so much fun.

(01:01:58):
And it also gets like a special shout out.
We haven't quitecome up with a name for this yet,
but the special shout outfor just sibling representation.
I like they have.
I think one was one of my favoritesibling relationships,
recently and yeah, it's so good.
It's just super fun.
It's so I mean their,their relationship. One.

(01:02:20):
You truly believe that they are brothers.
There's just like, there is.
And this might be a little bitof a spoiler, but not too much.
But there's a momentwhere they have to share the same bed
and Ben Affleck's,RV and Ben Affleck's character.
If you, if you don't know,has high functioning autism.
And so he's looking at the ceilingand he's talking to himself

(01:02:41):
and he's they're coming up with a plan.
And Jon Bernthal is character.
Who is this very coolhitman is unconscious.
He's just asleep.
And you're just like,
oh, of course you're asleepbecause this is just your older brother
who you've had to sleep in the same bedwith numerous times while he talks to him.
So yeah, there is a thing where, like,

(01:03:03):
I will name as as a sibling who'smy sibling is somebody who's very close.
Like there are ways in which, like.
I think your sibling doesn't like italmost can be like a piece of furniture,
which sounds so rude.
But no, that's so that's so real.
You're just kind of where you're just likethis person's experience, this person's
existence doesn't, like,alter my energy at all.

(01:03:24):
Partially because it's kind of like,I don't know,
built into your nervous system.
And so,so the idea of brother just talking
the and particularly I also like thisthey're kind of elder younger.
Yeah. Relationship.
So the elder brother is just saying things
like trying to plan for the dayand the younger brother is just asleep

(01:03:44):
just next to him there.
There's not even six inches there.
And so just the idea that neither of them,I'm sure it didn't occur
to the older brotherthat the talking could wake him up
because it wouldn't,but because it wouldn't.
That's also, oh my God.
So that level of like that levelof of portraying, just that closeness
in a way that was really understated,was interesting.

(01:04:06):
Like, there are some other things, again,not to name specific plot points,
but like the things they fought aboutfor just very specific in you're like, oh,
because nothing nobody can irritateyou like your sibling in that way,
where you're just like, that feels likenot a big deal to anybody else.
And they literally have like a shoutingmatch on the street about it.
But then when they go to bed,like everybody, there's one bed.

(01:04:27):
All right, great.
Scoot over and like it'sthat shift was really well done.
Oh yeah. And our last, So that is also press play or not.
This is definitely been a positive. Yeah.
We've seen some really good thingsrecently.
Yeah.
Our last press play or not is, heads ofstate with John Cena and, Idris Elba.
Oh, man, this was fun.
This is I, I think this is my new favoritegenre of film, which is, yes, this

(01:04:49):
this world leaders kicking ass.
Yeah, absolutely.
G20 I'm looking at you like, yeah.
Oh my God, G20 was so good.
I mean, you're talking to somebodywho's like probably my favorite series,
is the Has Fallen series.
I will watchI will watch any Has Fallen featuring a do

(01:05:11):
I do need Gerard Butler in itI believe because they're my I believe
there are some that aren't and I butI did also watch the series on, Amazon.
new television show.
And I also I'm like, oh,
I didn't know there was a televisionseries as well, I believe.
Well done.
To make sure I'mnot confusing that it was on Amazon.
Could also be the Reacher movies. Nope.

(01:05:31):
It was.
It wasn't that. But to television show,
your girl from Umbrella Academy, isn't it?
Hold on.
We can fix this edit in a minute.
Oh, yeah.
lady whose name I can't remember?
Okay. Be who? Aria.
And yes, Paris Has Fallenis the television series.

(01:05:53):
And it's it's not very different.
It's clearly connected tothe other has fallen.
Okay.
But it is.
I enjoyed it.It was eight episodes. Watch it all.
It's fun.
But the Has Fallenmovies are my favorite.
Anyway, I really like this

(01:06:14):
very competent, head of states fighting crime.
Give me Air Force One,you know, as a classic.
Yes. Like. Yeah.
So give me, you know,if Air Force One as a genre, I feel.
Yes. Air Force One as a genre, I didn't
I don't know what the genre it is,but it is heads of state who kick ass.
I am. Yeah.

(01:06:35):
I'm here for you. Yeah, I will watch it.
I need all of those. We can make it.
We can make it work.Kind of in any country.
To be honest.
I have all of it, you know, I like.
Are you a worldleader with the ability to fight crime?
Please do.
Please do, please do.
90 minutes on it.

(01:06:56):
All right? Just.
Just for 90 minutes.
Make it work.
Because that's great.
I mean, and that brings me just as thethe idea that I think
might actually have been a comicthat I need to read, but
the the movie that the secret movieI've been wanting for forever,
which is the one where King T'Challaof Wakanda fights one Victor von doom.

(01:07:17):
Oh yes, I'm sure there is a comic of thatsomewhere,
and I and I will because of what I wantis, in essence, like two movies, right?
Right. In the same film.
I want like the DoctorDoom, Black Panther, public battles.
Yeah, but I want the heads of state secretwheeling and dealing battles.
Right? Yes.

(01:07:39):
And so I want this moviewhere they know they are also
in some superhero battles,and then they gotta go to the UN
and, like,duke it out over resources or whatever.
Yeah.
And he's like, no,you can't have an army full of robots.
It's like, no, you can't hoard thisvaluable, this valuable, vibranium.

(01:08:01):
You can't hold a valuable resourcefrom the world.
And then they get in there,
and then all of a sudden they go outto a field and, like, throw hands.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I want the duality.
Yeah, I want them the both genius.
Of it.
Both genius.

(01:08:21):
That's what I say.
Oh, that's now in my lexicon.
Thank you for that.
The both genius so super fit
says the both genius I want to well,you have to do that.
And yeah, it's a signalthis is that both genius work
because this is the first thing that comedown to the second to the second thing.

(01:08:42):
No, I get it, I get it.
Simple of both.
Genius. You write,
you write because yeah,that's what I want.
So good.
Well, it's time for the heartand soul of the show.
Everybody's favorite thing is workhard, play hard.
Time.
It's both thing.
It's I it's, you know.

(01:09:04):
Okay.
So if we're going to keepthe theme of reflection going on
and, you know,we have the questions ready.
And in our right in the noggin.
So court at what point in a project do younaturally pause to reflect, if ever?
I feel like I'm constantly reflecting.
I feel like I am.
Just always kind of looking at me like,what is that?

(01:09:25):
Do we like that? How it's going?
But I do try to make it
a point to to reflect one after it's over.
I also tryto be really aware of reflecting,
like what is happening in my body.
if I'm stuck whereif I'm feeling like really activated
positively, where I'm like, yes,I want to do something,
whatever I feel like, okay, what is that?

(01:09:45):
What do I like about this?What I want to play with here?
And so,
yeah, I think for me, like,reflection is kind of constant.
And when I hit like a milestonein it, like,
did I get halfway through a thing,did we get, you know, did
we do like this big segment of it's like,okay, what is what is next?
What's going on?
So, I don't knowif I have intentional pause points,

(01:10:05):
but I definitely engage in itall the time.
I am right there with you.
I think I am constantly reflecting, and trying to understand.
Okay, why did I go this way?
Did I, did I go this way?
Because, like an external thing,that I go this way because I want to.
This is the way I feel likethe story should go.

(01:10:27):
Or am I going this way because of,like, influence from what I see?
Is this an original way I'm going?
Like, there's a lot of reflection.
I'm going that feels, natural.
But I don't think I'm ever like,okay, we've reached here now.
Now it's time to turn around.
Look at what we've done.
I think I'm always kind of turning around,which is, it keeps me sane

(01:10:49):
because I'm not, like, constantlylooking at, like, ahead.
I am always looking and looking back.
Seems like, counterproductive,but it feels like more that I am,
I am remembering the last pointof where I was instead of, like,
focusing on that,
on that point where I'm talking like,this is where we stopped at.

(01:11:11):
So now we move forward from here,but let's look back and see the steps
we've made just to see if,
oh, maybe we could actually go this wayand see where this takes us.
While still keeping the,what we have already progressed ahead.
That makes sense.
That does, With that,we've kind of answered it,
but I want to divea little deeper into this.
Like, is your reflection processintentional
or more intuitive and unconscious?

(01:11:33):
It's definitely intuitive.
But there are
there aren't
moments where I like naturally stop,but there are moments that when I do stop,
I do reflect, with a more like, finetooth comb, instead of just being, like,
turning around, doing like a quick glanceand then keeping going.
But sometimes I'll like find somethingthat I really like

(01:11:54):
and I'm like,okay, let's see what this is.
I like, you know, very much,
what is it like Minority Report and startpulling things off
and opening things are tiny pneumonic.
That's what it is.
Where he's got the glasses on.
Yes.
And he's like, just opening boxesand seeing what's inside.
That's how I that's how I feel
about reflecting specificallyat some points at, like, a point where

(01:12:17):
I feel like I feel comfortable enoughto stop moving forward for a little bit.
I feel similarly, and I will also saythat, like, once I feel like
something is reached, done, like,you know, if I've completed it
to the moment that it's completed,I'm actually and I probably should.
I tend to let it go.I don't think it's finished.
It's out in the worldlike I'm not as reflective in that way.

(01:12:38):
And I probably would like a moreintentional process post like finished.
But then I tend to take
when I go into the next one,I try to, I feel, what did I learn from
that past thing that I couldBecause I think for me,
sometimes my most effective reflectionshave involved just distance.
Because if I'm in itand I've been fighting with it

(01:12:59):
or whatever,like sometimes how I feel about it
can really colorwhat I think the thing is.
And so I try to get to done.
And kind of let it goand then move on to the next thing.
And now that that's done,
okay, I can come back and be like, nowI can really look at it.
Yeah.
You feel like separated from the arta little bit.

(01:13:20):
Yeah. It's like okay. It's interesting.
Okay. Yeah. This is what I,this is what I could have done.
But like when I'm in it,
it can be really hard for me toturn around and see how I feel about it.
I can be really good.
This is where I likereflection versus feedback.
I can hear
what other people are saying about itand then like, put that into my feedback
and, you know,go back to the discernment thing.
But it's much harder for me to,

(01:13:41):
in the middle of it,turn around and be like, what's going
Give me some distanceand then we can get to it.
Now that's that's good.
I think when I get distance,I don't like the reflection.
Doesn't happen. It's real.
And like that can be detrimental at timesbecause, like,
we might make the same mistakesthat we made in the last project.

(01:14:04):
Do you know,you kind of answered that one.
How is balancing reflecting on your workversus just moving on to the next project?
Like,I feel like you kind of dived into that
a little bit, but is there something doyou think there's something more to that?
I think there could be.
I like reallyam I working on just one thing
And I really I still feel like I'min the process of building my.

(01:14:28):
Self-driven projects, or at least in thisphase of my self, different projects.
A lot of my work right now is very much,again, reactive or responsive.
How can I solve problems for other people?
And I've mentioned but I'm feeling, youknow, kind of created my own creativity.
My own kind of self driven
thing is I'm in a little bit of a blockand I'm, you know, trying to work through
trying to, to get in it.
And so sometimes it's right nowI'm just like for my personal work, I'm

(01:14:51):
just in this process of reflectingand I haven't quite moved on to the next
task yet.
For some of my external work or the work,like really driven
by some other people, I'm still like,okay, did it solve the problem?
Yes or no? Can can it be for me?It's like, can it be done?
Can we say it's finishedand then move into the next phase?
So I the short answer isprobably I struggle with balancing it.

(01:15:13):
And I'm trying to shake that off a bitand then get into like, what can I
how how can I be intentionalabout reflection
while also making a pointto just move to the next thing?
How about you?
How do you balance reflecting versus,oh, I've been sitting here
listening to you and being like,how do you do this?
And I don't think I do.
Balancing balancingis always been really difficult for me.

(01:15:37):
Just in general, like, also like you,
I am never working on one,just one thing at a time.
But I'm also like,all my work is internal, like very few.
Am I doing it?My solving other people's problems.
So, the ability to like,
reflect kind of ingrained and built

(01:15:59):
into my process of just like wewe worked on this all right.
We're working on this now.
While we're working on this thing,we're kind of also thinking about
what's going on in the previous thingwe worked on
and that kind of shiftsand moves around a lot.
But I don't know.
I don't think I'm balancing itin, or if I am, I'm not doing it well.

(01:16:21):
But we're pushing through.
And balancing is, on the list of thingsto learn how to do better.
So we be learning.
We be learning new things. Okay.
But all the work, all the work hard stuff,what's the play hard side of things?
What's the are these ritual momentsto help you reflect without pressure?
Oh there anything is there something thatyou that you watch or listen to or or,

(01:16:45):
you know, how do you handle these momentswith no pressure?
That's a good question.
I don't know if I have a good reflectionritual.
I there's a ritual that I really liked,and then I stopped doing it
because I stopped waking up early,and I just need to bring it back.
I just need to get back into it.
But I think I talked about this
before the, like, miracle morning,like this list of things

(01:17:06):
that you can just get up.
And I did enjoy that where
you could part of what you had to dowas right to start the day
and as a ritual of reflection,it was actually really helpful.
And I think I keep telling myself,
I said this last timeand I probably need to say it again.
I need to do it again.
I need to justget back up and write again.

(01:17:26):
Because I liked it.
I liked the structure.I liked that it was doable.
I liked that it was,it gave me a consistent practice.
And.
doing it every daymeant you can take the pressure off
because you're like, okay, well,I'll just come back and do this tomorrow.
Like it it as opposed to it being like, kind of a dedicated work session
where I had to, like,accomplish something.

(01:17:47):
And then always like,I'm going to name like a good track
to be will like, keep me motivated.
It will help me to, like,get out of my head.
And so, you know, I in some ways, I have said that
like, the, the harder the taskI have to do, the more ignorant the music.
That's a is
I was like, no,because I needed something that like,

(01:18:10):
I don't know, pushes and activatesa different part of me
while I'm thinking on something super, youknow, like serious or like complicated.
And so, yeah, the more serious the workis, the more likely the music is to be
deeply unserious.
Just very activate different neurons.
But so thatbut that is a fun ritual for me
because sometimes I'll just be like,you just got to get into yeah, yeah, put

(01:18:34):
on, you know, fettyfetty wap radio and, like, figure it out.
Yeah, you gotta get it.You gotta get your hustle back in.
You get it right.
Okay.
I'm trappin now, so. Right.
I can incorporate that in there. Right.
Knowing that that's not my actual story,but sometimes you just got to be like,
this is this.
I need somebody talking about somethingthat is just not me.

(01:18:55):
That's how I feel about this. For a beat.
That is dope.
This album got me wanting to sell drugs.
See those types of things?
My moments are definitely music.
Like music.
I love me a good walk,especially in the summertime.
And the conversationsI have with my friends where I talk about,
I talk about my projects,the reflecting on that,

(01:19:17):
there'salways there's no pressure with that.
So it feels veryit just feels really natural
and very reflectingand very cool and like,
I don't have to it's not something I haveto, like, worry about to feel like judged
or or like, Like somebody is goingto, like,
take an idea or changean idea to its core or like,

(01:19:37):
you know, make fun of mein some kind of way that is unhealthy.
I'm very, you know,I my rituals for reflecting
feel very,so very deeply rooted in my community.
kind of leads me to the next question.
But I'm going to both ask and answer it,because I feel like you did a bit, and I,
I love that just the question is, doyou ever reflect with others just for fun?

(01:19:58):
Like, what does that look And I'mrealizing I don't think I do that enough.
I'm always problem solving frequently,problem very frequently problem solving.
In my conversations with people are often
and I love them,but they're often shared and like, like,
I don't have that many collaboratorsin the sense of
just talking about our working processjust for fun.

(01:20:20):
And I'm trying toand I have really great folks.
I think I have peopleI could talk to about that would just
just don'tI don't have that as a practice.
I've always kind ofto be in deep community.
I've also been in many ways of floateras far as like collaborative community,
where it's like, oh,I'm going to work with these people
for a little bit and workwith those people for a little bit.
And work with these peoplefor a little bit.
And I have a bunch of peopleI can engage with creatively,

(01:20:43):
but I don't really have one personor one space that I go to consistently
just to reflect and to, talk about the artjust for fun.
Yeah, man, you got to get you you got toget you a nice little crew, right?
I realize a lot of parts of just becauseof the nature of my career, in my work,
I have frequently been in those buildingthose spaces for other people.

(01:21:06):
Yeah.
Building the space for folks,other folks to reflect.
Or it's like.
Or how do I help guide you throughor facilitate you through your creativity?
But I am out of practicewith holding that space for myself,
for holding that space with others
where you got one, Well, yeah,you and I, we do this.
We got one we haveand I really appreciate it.

(01:21:27):
But yeah, I just, you know,I don't do that as much as as I could.
I do that all the time.
I appreciate it and I respect it.
I do it all the time.
I talk about my creative processwith everybody,
specifically when it comes to just likeI had an idea.
How does this sound? Isthis stupid or not?
Which is my favorite thing to sayto people. Is this dumb?

(01:21:50):
How dumb is this?
And sometimes,you know, it's wavering levels of dumb.
If something is something is just like alittle dumb, I'll probably still do it at.
But you know, sometimes you think like,no, this is this is dumb.
Every idea is medium dumb.
All the good ideas.
There's a little bit of medium dumbin it, right?
A bit of medium dumb.
We're like, that almost didn't work,but somehow it did work.

(01:22:13):
Sometimes it's.
But sometimes you needa little bit of medium dumb.
And I don't think peoplewill embrace the medium dumb enough.
Go embrace the medium dumb.
Embrace the medium. Dumb like.But is it dumb. Dumb.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a dumb dumb because it's usually the
this is dumb don't doit is usually followed up by it.
But if somebody is like,no, this is kind of stupid.

(01:22:35):
But you didn't say don't do it right wasbut it was like that.
But it's not like negligent, right.
It's not like right.
I'm like, is somebody going to get hurt by this?
Am I going to offend people in a waythat is not,
you know, thatI care about people that I care about.
Okay, give me that.
But like, if you're just like,I don't know, all right.
That's not a no. That's notI know we're gonna try it out.

(01:22:55):
We're gonna try it anywayand see if it works. Oh, man.
What, are we leaving this?
What are we leavingthe crew with this week?
Court crew? What we ending?
Work hard, play hard, or what do we leavefor? The whole.
For the whole, I think for the wholeFor the whole episode this week.
What are we leaving people with?What is the reflection?
What reflection?
What is the reflecting piece of advice

(01:23:18):
that we're leaving people this week?
Don't be afraid to reflect.
But also just don't be afraid to just do,
you can build the planewhile you're flying it.
Unless you're an actual don't do planemechanic, right?
If you're an actual airplane engineer,don't take that advice.
I hate that. Don't do that. I need you to.
I want it secure. I want make it allbefore he gets up there.

(01:23:41):
Everybody else.
So metaphorically,if you're not actually building planes,
just start doing it and you can fix a lotmore than you think as you go.
You can make adjustments, you can pivot.
You can reflect. Yeah.
But yeah, we're flat and do like,take it, take a moment, turn around.
See is is going to be like,oh wow okay. The tail fell off.

(01:24:03):
We just got to build another one.
And then keep going right.
Yeah. Keep building it.
And then you'll find the thing.
And next thing you knowyou have flown further than you thought
you did before, as opposed to somebodywaiting down there.
Like waiting for the perfect plane,you know. Yeah.
A thing that I think is helpful
is that you're more ready than you thinkyou are.

(01:24:25):
you, if you have an idea,you're a third of the way there.
you're already ahead of the gamefrom a lot of people.
And whether that idea you think is goodor bad, it doesn't matter.
You have an idea and like,yeah, don't be afraid.
Just do it.
Just like, figure that,not even figure it out.
Just jump in headfirst and

(01:24:47):
and headfirst looks differentthan for everybody.
Headfirst isn't.
You know, I'm going to take out a loan.
I'm going to do all these thingsthat's not everybody's head first.
And people's head first is just like,I'm going to write one page today,
or I'm going to come up with a charactername or, you know, specifically for me,
it's always okay,I'm going to look at something

(01:25:08):
and I'm going to seeif I can make it animated.
Or what if the world was based offthis instead of this?
Like, those are
those are moments where you're readyand you can just just keep going.
And like Courtney said, just buildingthe plane while you're flying it is again,
except if you are an actual airplanemechanic slash engine, right?

(01:25:30):
Yeah.
Don't do that.
As long as that's metaphor,the metaphor works, though.
If you're actually doing that.
No, you should be really regimentedabout how you built that.
Yes, yes. It's important.
Read all the books, take all the courses,do all the things right,
write all the check, doublecheck them screws, boy.
Yeah, I want make sure I want it all.
But yeah.
Go for it. Do it. You're ready.You're not.

(01:25:53):
You're not behind any eight ball there.
You have plenty of time.
You you have all the time in the world.
So write that book. Read that.
You know, read thatbook, write that movie.
Go outside.
Film some stuff.
You got this.
We believe in you get the people going.
It gets the people going. Yes.

(01:26:13):
Well, y'all, this has been, episodesix of hustling with margins.
Halfway through,halfway through season one.
We are making it work over here.Making it work.
We have no idea what we're gonna talkabout next episode.
I'm excited to read.
It'll be a surprise.
But we're so happy.

(01:26:34):
Thank you allfor joining us on this journey thus far.
Yes. As always,you know where to reach us.
Hustlin with hargis@gmail.com.
If you have questions, thoughts, feedback,follow us on the socials.
You already know what's coming.
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Okay, Instagram. TikTok.

(01:26:57):
You know, your momma's phonebookeverywhere here and YouTube.
I know your mama got a phone book.
Okay, we're in there right next to him.
Right, right, right.
We're between.
We're between Harveys.
And Hustler.
Mike. Right, right.
We're in there.
Just look through the pages.

(01:27:17):
Look through the ages.You'll find us, right?
But tell your friends. Yes.
Share anything you found interestingor silly or ridiculous.
And if you know Michelle Obama and we'reprograms like, have them tell us, call us.
All right, y'all, thank you for your time.
We'll see you in two weeks.

(01:27:37):
Yeah.
Stay safe.
We love y'all.
We do love y'all. Bye bye.

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