May 19, 2024 • 41 mins
Immerse yourself in the harrowing tale of the racially motivated murder of James Byrd Jr in our podcast, where we recount the spine-chilling events on the 7th of June, 1998. Plunging into the horrifying details, this episode unveils 'Against the Hate: The Unsettling James Byrd Jr. Crime Story' that shook Jasper County, Texas, and the world beyond.
Focusing not just on this unspeakable hate crime, we bring forth the life and personality of Byrd, an admired community figure and gifted musician tragically targeted due to racial prejudice. The motive of this narrative is to impart lessons derived from this ghastly saga and encourage listeners to reassess societal norms and behavior.
Our host provides an exhaustive insight into the case unfolding the evidence leading to the remorseless killers, Lawrence and John, their chilling confession, and the unfortunate role of Shawn, trapped under the threat of his life. Surprises from the courtroom and revelations from detailed autopsies paint a vivid picture of the grisly crime. This episode carries explicit content, and listener discretion is advised.
In remembrance of James Byrd Jr., this episode aims to spread urgent awareness about hate crimes. We try to uncover the event's significance on the hate crime narrative in America and emphasize why its story should never be forgotten. As we pay tribute to Byrd, we strongly stand against hate crime atrocities and invite the listeners to join us on this poignant journey.
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Music.
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Robin Babioko. So yes, how are you guys doing on this wonderful Sunday afternoon,
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?
Whenever you guys are choosing to listen to this, like I said before,
it is a podcast. So it is your choice of whenever you choose to hear it, right?
Okay, so today I have a disclaimer because today's story, it's very heart-wrenching.
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Today's case is, it's kind of hard.
It's one that I've heard about a very, very long time ago, but I'd never looked
into it because this was never something that I was doing.
So I never looked into this case, but when I finally decided to look into this
case and look into the details of it, it made my heart hurt even more.
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So quick disclaimer is if you are squeamish, if you hate to to hear about,
you know, gore or, you know, anything like that.
This is a murder case and it's pretty bad. So listener discretion is advised.
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If you can't really listen to things like this, today's is pretty bad.
So you might want to just sit this one out and I will see you next time.
I have, I do have an announcement though, at the end of the recording where
I want to talk about something that I'm planning to do, but I'm going to talk
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about that once we're done recording this case.
So if you want to come back, you know, once I'm done, or if you want to listen,
you know, stick it through, it's up to you, but I do have an announcement at
the end of this recording, which I would really appreciate if you leave and come on back, okay?
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So today's case is date June 7th of 1998.
And our case will be dealing with the murder by dragging of James Byrd Jr.
Now, if you have heard about this case, which I'm pretty sure a lot of people
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in Texas probably have, because that's where it occurred back in that time,
it was a pretty big ordeal back then.
I mean, a lot of representation was based on this case.
So I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people that were born in Texas or lived
in Texas at that time period in the 1990s to like this was 1998.
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So the early, you know, like late 1990s, the 1998 to probably the later 2000s,
like earlier 2000s, I meant like 2000.
And so like I'm
not sure when it started to die down but a lot
of people that lived in Texas back then I'm pretty sure they're aware of this
case so like I said today's case is about James Byrd and it is a pretty graphic
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one so please like I said if you guys or I'm warning you again if you're squeamish.
All right. All right.
Okay. So James Byrd was born on May the 2nd of 1949.
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So at the time when this occurred, he was 49 years old.
He was born in Jasper County, Texas, and was the third born of nine children.
He is James Byrd Jr.
So yes, there's a James Byrd Sr. who is his dad and his mother is Stella Mae Sharp.
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His mother was a Sunday school teacher teacher, and his father was a deacon
at the church, the New Bethel Church.
Okay, so by recollection, his friends would say that he was,
you know, a really funny guy.
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He would, like, do impressions and things like that.
He was into music. He played music. He played an instrument.
He was a very lively guy that I'm assuming based on what people have said that he loved life.
You know, this was somebody that was aspiring to be great.
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Like he was aspiring to be a great person in life. He was kind and caring.
His family recalled that, you know, he was a very good person.
I mean, he did have some mishaps, you know, along the way in life.
You know, things happen.
And he has been to jail a couple of times for, you know, just minor things.
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But either way, going to jail for little things doesn't make you an extremely
bad person. So he was he was still considered like by his family and friends
to be, you know, a great guy.
So during the time of James days in high school, you know, in earlier educational
times, these were still the days of segregation.
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So when James graduated, he graduated from Jasper Row High School,
and his class was considered to be the last segregated class.
Once he graduated, he went on to have three, get married, he got married.
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He had three children by the name of Renee, Ross, and Janie.
James also worked as a vacuum salesman.
Now, I was reading some information about him, and it says that he,
you know, he's involved with some pretty,
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with somebody very important to Black history, who was Rodney King.
James was actually a cousin to Danita Lyons King, who was Rodney King's first wife.
Oh, let me say this. Based on his, where I told you that he was interested and
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he was a musician, he took it very serious because he would perform. He was a performer.
He played the piano and the trumpet. Those were the instruments. I apologize.
And he He would, you know, go around like to different places in the neighborhood
to perform at like birthday parties,
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funerals, whatever service you need a little, you know, you need a little music
where they're sad, happy, whatever the case may be.
He was called upon to perform in these scenarios.
One of his former classmates also said that she recalled that he really,
really, really loved music, like he was in love with music.
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You know, music was, like I said before, it was very important to him.
Yes, James was a truly loved man, like everybody knew him around town,
and everybody loved his personality.
Everybody loved the way that he was.
And after this tragic event, it just broke people's heart, especially in the way that this happened.
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It was really heartbreaking.
He did. However, he was divorced from his wife when this situation had occurred.
He was already a divorced man and he had a disability because he had fallen.
It doesn't say what happened for, you know, how the fall occurred,
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but he had fallen and had become disabled.
So he was mainly probably staying
at home and they recalled that
he was like drinking you know being disabled when
you used to be running about and doing
you know doing certain things it can be a little it probably could be a little
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depressing so I'm assuming you know this is why he was a drinker you know and
he would just people recall that he would be drinking and that is what really
led to where I said that he did commit minor crimes.
So the sheriff's department also knew about him because he frequented the police
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station because of these crimes that he was committing.
So on June the 7th of 1998.
Brewer, I mean, I'm sorry, Bird,
James, James Bird, he accepted
a ride from these three
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gentlemen we're going to call them gentlemen for now but okay there's Sean Barry
who was 23 Lawrence Brewer who was 31 and John King who were 23 who was 23 at the time.
Sean Barry was the one who was driving the vehicle and also the one that James was acquainted with.
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It doesn't say whether they were like good friends, you know,
just saying, you know, just knew of each other, like they said acquainted.
So I'm assuming they just kind of saw him and every now and then would maybe
spark up a little small talk or whatever the case may be.
But James recognized him and knew him just from, you know, their acquaintance
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of whatever sort they had.
But I will continue to tell this case and I will also give a lesson at the end
of telling you this case because a lot of these cases come with life lessons.
And nowadays, you know, I've decided once I'm done telling you a case,
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if I have a life, if I have a life lesson that I can tell you about at the end
of the case, I will tell you.
That's what I've decided. I've decided to implement life lessons so that after
each case, we can know what went wrong and how, if we should be in the same situation,
it can be avoided. Okay. So.
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Burr didn't know, you know, Burr did not know. James did not know,
you know, the intent of what these people were planning to do once they picked
him up. You know, they, he wanted a ride home.
That's what the purpose of picking him up was when they, when he was offered
the ride was to take him home.
So he was assuming I'm being picked up and I'm going to be taken home.
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Little did he know that was not the case.
Okay. So instead of taking James home, and this is where I tell you to please get it. Okay.
Instead of taking James home, these three men took him to a remote road.
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Like they took him somewhere into the bushes, somewhere where nobody could hear
or see whatever they were doing.
And they beat him. They beat him severely.
But that was not enough. So they also spray painted his face.
Urinated and defecated on him.
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And then this is where I want you guys to, as I'm telling you that this is happening.
I want you guys to picture, okay, I know that you guys have,
you know, even if you've never ridden a bike, you may have gotten,
you know, did like skating, did a skateboard.
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Most people have ridden a bike at least once or so.
And, you know, when you're practicing to ride that bike and you fall off and
you scrape your knee, you scrape your, unless you have errands that are like
put on your knee pad, put on your elbow pad, put on your helmet, you know.
And a lot of people, that's not the case. They're like, I'm just riding around for two seconds.
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Don't worry about all that. Helmet? Helmet? Yes, put on the helmet.
But don't worry about all the other stuff. Knee pad, we ain't going to do all that. Yeah.
So and even if you have done that in the beginning,
when you start to feel like, oh, I got this, I got this, I know how to ride
this bike, you're going to put the knee pads and, you know, elbow pads and stuff
to the side and you're going to, you know, go do your thing.
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And something may occur where you may trip up and fall off the bike and you're
going to scrape your elbow, scrape your knee, scrape some. try to recall how
that felt when that occurred to you.
Even if you, like I said, if you've never ridden a bike, just try to recall
some time in life where you probably have fell and scraped something.
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Now let's picture this. So they chained James to the back of the pickup truck by his ankles,
by his ankles, and dragged him down the road for three miles.
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And they were not driving really slow, taking their time.
They were driving pretty fast because he was swinging back and and forth,
back and forth, hitting whatever was in the way.
He was hitting pavements. He was hitting sidewalks, whatever.
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He was hitting a couple of things as they were driving.
For three miles, they dragged James on the back of that pickup truck.
To the point where James was decapitated and mutilated,
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lost all kinds of body parts as they dragged him for three miles on this dirt road.
If you would like to look into what the road looked like back then,
the road was called Huff Creek Road, and it's a county road 278.
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So within the three miles of them dragging him, in one and a half mile, James already died.
He had already had his head knocked off and therefore he was already dead,
but they continued to drag him for another one and a half miles.
So once they finished dragging his body for those three miles,
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they gathered up his torso or whatever was left of his body that was left on that chain.
They took it and dumped it in front of an African-American church, dumped it in the yard.
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Now you may be thinking, why did these three demons, men's, these three waste of lives.
Why did they do this to James? Well, that was because two of them were white supremacists.
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Okay.
Now, once they did that, they left and went to a barbecue.
Cute yeah they want to go eat and celebrate and act like nothing happened right
after they did this gruesome act okay,
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Now, James was dragged for three miles, right?
So let's picture, okay, how this scene looks.
So basically, the following morning, there was a motorist.
I believe it was a sheriff, but it just, it was a motorist. somebody somebody found his body parts.
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Along the area where he was dragged now when they came out to the scene right
police officials or you know they thought it was like tire tracks along the
way of these three miles But basically,
there was like pieces of James's body and a blood track all the way from where
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they did what they did. There was like a blood track.
OK, picture it. A blood track. All right. Right.
Now, based on little evidence that these idiots left behind,
it did not take them long to find these people.
OK, it did not take them long to find these three men because they left so much
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evidence behind to prove that they were the ones who did it.
There was there was a wrench that had Barry written on it.
Yeah geniuses geniuses
i'm telling you geniuses there was also a lighter
that had possum on it
which is kings who is what's his first name john king that's that was his prison
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name so there was a lighter that had possum on it smart smart and there were
81 places that had James Remain.
James Remain was, they were all over the place. Okay.
So once these three men were taken into custody, they.
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Let me just say this too, that King, like I said, King, John King and Lawrence
Brewer, those two were the white supremacists. Okay.
And King had like racist tattoos on his body. Like he truly just hates black people.
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Like, okay. So he has a black man hanging from a tree. That's a tattoo who he has.
He has a Nazi symbol and he has the words Aryan pride.
Not sure what that means.
I should have looked into that and I do apologize, but it's A-R-Y-A-N.
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Feel free to look it up to see the meaning of it. And he also has a patch for
a gang of white supremacist inmates known as the Confederate Knights of America. Okay.
So Sean Barry, Lawrence Brewer, and John King, of course, were found and convicted for Byrd's murder.
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But only Lawrence Brewer and John King were executed.
All right. So let's talk about these horrible people for one moment.
Okay, so, you know, during their trial, who was it?
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Brewer tried to say, let me go by their first name.
Lawrence tried to say that Barry Sean had slashed James's throat before they
even got to dragging him. So he was trying to say he was already dead before
they even got to dragging him.
So dragging him was just kind of an overkill, but he was already dead.
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But based on the autopsy, that was proven to be false because they said based on how, you know.
How his head was attached to his body or something like that.
You know, somehow, however they do, you know, do their thing.
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It proved that he was, he had his neck like up, like he was struggling to keep his head off the ground.
He wasn't just, you know, they could tell whether the body was just limp and being dragged.
And somehow they could tell that there was forced muscle being put into keeping
the head up so that, you know, he could try to relieve the damage to his head.
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So while he was being dragged, that proves that he was alive because they could
tell based on the autopsy that his head was still functional in trying to keep up off the ground.
Very interesting how this stuff works. So like I said, so Brewer tried to say
that Barry, Brewer Barry, okay, OK, so Lawrence tried to say that Sean had slit his throat.
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So let's talk a little bit about them, like I said. So Sean was the one that
was not a white supremacist.
And Sean was also the one who was acquainted with James. Sean was the reason
why James was like, oh, I know him.
If they're offering me a ride, I can trust this guy because I've,
you know, had a couple conversations with him. I'm acquainted with him.
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We're cool. well, let me let me catch a ride with them.
So Sean was the one who bird knew.
And therefore, he was the one who felt very remorseful.
He was the one who showed the most remorse and felt like he felt really bad
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for what what had happened.
Also claimed that Lawrence and John were the main ones that wanted to do this to James.
And because it was his vehicle, you know, and he was there and he was their
friend, they said that if he did not, this is what, this is what Sean said.
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He said that they said that if he did not participate in these activities,
that they would do the same thing that they're doing to him.
They would do that to Sean as well.
So of course, even though, you know, you may really, you know,
know this person and you don't want to do anything to this person,
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you are going to look to protect yourself overall.
So this is what Sean claimed to have occurred on that night.
So like I said, it was very remorseful. And he also says that he's not a racist.
And he also had people there, He had three men there that were there to justify
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that, no, Sean was not a racist.
This is not in his character to do something like this.
So apparently his life was, it was threatened and that's why he participated.
So because of that being proven to be correct, it was proven to be true.
Sean was sentenced to life in
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prison and he will be eligible for parole in June of 2038 at the time of which
he will be 63 years old now Lawrence is one of the ones like I said that is a white supremacist.
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And before he even got involved with James' murder, he had already been in jail
for drug possession and burglary.
He was paroled, and then he violated that parole, which sent him back to prison again.
So while he was in jail or prison, he joined a gang along with John,
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a white supremacist gang, to basically protect himself from other inmates.
And after they did psychological evaluation on him, they branded him a racist psychopath.
Okay? So, after his trial...
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Basically he had no regrets, no regrets whatsoever.
It's even said that he told a news reporter that if he could do it again, he would.
If he could do it all over again, he would do it all over again.
This is this man is a piece
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of shit okay so ultimately
he was sentenced to death
and on September the 21st of 2011 he was executed by lethal injection however
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I did forget to mention that because of Mr.
Let me not even say Mr. Because of Lawrence, the rule for how they did last
meals changed because of his ass. And let me tell you what he did.
So basically, you know how they always say you can have a last meal and you
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choose whatever you want to be your last meal for, you know,
before they execute you.
So on the day that he requested his last meal, let me tell you what he requested.
Two chicken fried steaks with gravy and sliced onions, a triple patty bacon
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cheeseburger, a cheese omelet with ground beef, tomatoes, onions,
bell peppers, and jalapenos.
A bowl of fried okra with ketchup, one pound of barbecue meat with half a loaf of white bread,
three fully loaded fajitas, a meat lover's pizza,
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one pint of Blue Bell vanilla ice cream,
a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts on top, and three root bears.
He ordered all of that, which they're like, whether you can eat it or not,
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you can order whatever you want.
So this was what he ordered, right so when the meal arrived and it was time
for him to feast this man told officials,
that he was not hungry and they had to throw it all away and therefore after
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87 years of a tradition of feeding these people that don't deserve shit anyway,
a last meal of choice that was ended.
So this man made history with that situation.
Okay. Now moving on to John King.
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So John, he was another one who was the white supremacist, right?
And the reason why John hated black men so much is because he claimed,
maybe that's true, though don't say whether or not it is, that while he was
in prison, he was repeatedly gang raped by black inmates.
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And that just fueled is hate for black men.
Okay. Just to say, regardless of what one person does to you,
taking it out on an innocent person, it's not going to justify whatever you're,
whatever you got going on.
It's not going to justify it because you're not hurting the people that hurt
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you. You're hurting somebody else that had nothing to do with it.
And that, that does nothing for nobody. body.
Okay. So.
Was also found guilty of course and he was
also sentenced to death so he
was executed on april the 24th
of 2019 so lawrence
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was 2011 and he stayed alive for what eight more years for whatever reason and
so he was he was sent he was executed in 2019 on April the 24th by lethal injection.
Now of course a death this gruesome this graphic this disturbing is going to
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ring out throughout the nation it's going to ring out throughout the state of
Texas it's going to become a part of history.
And it's going to remain in people's minds for a little bit.
And I wanted us to remember that day and remember what happened to James.
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Because, you know, this story has kind of died down.
And I'm not sure how many other people have talked about it on their crime podcasts as as well.
But I felt the need to mention it because I recall that I had heard about this case a long time ago.
And I just, you know, I, like I said, I never looked into it,
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but it's, it's very, it's something to be remembered.
You know, we need to remember James and we need to remember June the 7th, 1998.
And we need to remember the gruesome event that took, you know, that happened that day.
So that is why I decided to do this case today.
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After what happened to James, Dennis Rodman was a basketball star.
Dennis Rodman paid for his funeral expenses and he also gave James's family $25,000.
Okay. Don King also gave James's children $100,000 in order for them to put
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towards their education or whatever other the needs that they may have,
but mainly their educational expenses.
On the 25th anniversary of James's death,
they had a 2023 interview with the Texas Tribune about fundraising for the foundations
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that were built in James's name towards hate crime and violence towards Black black people,
black men, black children, black women.
And I will have a clip of that on my TikTok account.
I'll put up a clip where you can see where they were talking about that a little bit.
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And there's also been other times where, you know, different shows have brought
up the story or did a reenactment of it in some kind of way.
There was, in October the 7th of 1998, which was just a couple months after the incident.
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Law & Order did an episode entitled DWB, Driving While Black.
There was a documentary entitled Journey to a Hate-Free Millennium,
and that was created in 1999.
And there was also a movie in 2003 named, title, I'm sorry, Jasper,
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Texas, and it was aired on Showtime.
You could also watch that movie on Zumo Play, Tubi, Crackle,
Amazon Prime, Flex, Freebie, Philo, and YouTube TV.
So Philo and YouTube TV, you'll probably have to pay, but on all the other ones,
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it is free for you to watch.
So I do suggest you check that out. I personally have not watched it yet,
but because I just, my God, I can't, I can't even, but I will,
I will probably check it out.
I will probably check it out. but yes it's pretty much free especially on Tubi
you guys we watch Tubi so check it out on that one for sure it will definitely
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be there and it will be free and that is as of today so it is definitely on there at this time.
So, like I said, I just really wanted to mention this case about James because
it was so gruesome and so graphic.
And I just wanted us to remember him today.
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And, you know, the anniversary of his death is coming up because we are in May.
June is right around the corner. and I just want
you to put in that and put it put it in your mind
somewhere in the back the front the side that June
7th something horrible happened back
in 1998 so you know I just wanted us to reflect on that situation and keep his
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family in our prayers you know it's been a while now so I can't I can't say
how people grieve to say oh they're probably doing a lot better now but it has been a while.
But yes, let's just reflect on that day and keep him in our minds on June the 7th, okay?
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So that ends the case of James Byrd.
You can always Google him, Google his name,
Google the dragon murder of James Byrd if you want to read further on the case,
which I suggest you should to read about his family members and other things that he was,
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you know, that involved that, that his kids got involved in based on his murder, you know,
foundations that are set up towards hate crime and things of that nature.
Now, as far as my announcement goes.
So there are times where there are cases that I want to talk about and they
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don't have that much information.
You know, there are some cases that they may have a little story here and there,
but there's no pictures of the victim.
Nothing else is mentioned besides maybe the one news article or whatever the case may be.
And there's times when I want to talk about these cases, but like I said,
there's not enough information for me to make enough content to tell you guys about it.
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So therefore, because I would really like to mention these cases so that you
are aware of different things that happen to different people at certain times,
regardless of how short it may be,
I have decided to implement another,
not another podcast. guess.
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Basically, I've decided to have a mini series, which we will call it Crime Mini,
and it will be on Thursdays.
So on Thursdays around 12 is when those episodes will be released.
And basically, it'll just be a mini episode under the same podcast, In Time Crime,
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but it will be be called a crime mini episode where I will talk about one of
these short cases where they don't get too much coverage, but I would really like to talk about it.
So that those cases will probably, you know, those episodes will probably last
about maybe five to 10 minutes because there's not a lot of information.
But like I said, I just want to mention it. I just want to talk about it.
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Maybe there's a family member or somebody, a friend that recall when that case
occurred and, and they would want
to hear about it because they want other people to hear about it as well.
So I've decided to do that, these unpopular cases.
So yes, starting this Thursday, what date is that? Let us see.
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This Thursday, May the 23rd, I will have crime minis.
Are we excited?
I'm excited. Okay, so yes, once again, thank you so much. Thank you so much,
so much, so much for listening.
I am your biggest fan. I really appreciate you guys listening.
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You could be doing anything else, but you've chosen, yes, you've chosen to take
this time out of your day or even while you're doing things within your day,
because it is a audio podcast.
You can do whatever you're doing while you're listening to it.
But thank you for listening. I really appreciate you guys from the bottom of my heart.
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Thank you so much. Don't forget to tell a friend and tell that friend to tell
another friend and tell that friend that told that other friend to tell another
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Music.
Music.
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Robin Babioko. So yes, how are you guys doing on this wonderful Sunday afternoon,
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?
Whenever you guys are choosing to listen to this, like I said before,
it is a podcast. So it is your choice of whenever you choose to hear it, right?
Okay, so today I have a disclaimer because today's story, it's very heart-wrenching.
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Today's case is, it's kind of hard.
It's one that I've heard about a very, very long time ago, but I'd never looked
into it because this was never something that I was doing.
So I never looked into this case, but when I finally decided to look into this
case and look into the details of it, it made my heart hurt even more.
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So quick disclaimer is if you are squeamish, if you hate to to hear about,
you know, gore or, you know, anything like that.
This is a murder case and it's pretty bad. So listener discretion is advised.
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If you can't really listen to things like this, today's is pretty bad.
So you might want to just sit this one out and I will see you next time.
I have, I do have an announcement though, at the end of the recording where
I want to talk about something that I'm planning to do, but I'm going to talk
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about that once we're done recording this case.
So if you want to come back, you know, once I'm done, or if you want to listen,
you know, stick it through, it's up to you, but I do have an announcement at
the end of this recording, which I would really appreciate if you leave and come on back, okay?
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So today's case is date June 7th of 1998.
And our case will be dealing with the murder by dragging of James Byrd Jr.
Now, if you have heard about this case, which I'm pretty sure a lot of people
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in Texas probably have, because that's where it occurred back in that time,
it was a pretty big ordeal back then.
I mean, a lot of representation was based on this case.
So I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people that were born in Texas or lived
in Texas at that time period in the 1990s to like this was 1998.
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So the early, you know, like late 1990s, the 1998 to probably the later 2000s,
like earlier 2000s, I meant like 2000.
And so like I'm
not sure when it started to die down but a lot
of people that lived in Texas back then I'm pretty sure they're aware of this
case so like I said today's case is about James Byrd and it is a pretty graphic
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one so please like I said if you guys or I'm warning you again if you're squeamish.
All right. All right.
Okay. So James Byrd was born on May the 2nd of 1949.
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So at the time when this occurred, he was 49 years old.
He was born in Jasper County, Texas, and was the third born of nine children.
He is James Byrd Jr.
So yes, there's a James Byrd Sr. who is his dad and his mother is Stella Mae Sharp.
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His mother was a Sunday school teacher teacher, and his father was a deacon
at the church, the New Bethel Church.
Okay, so by recollection, his friends would say that he was,
you know, a really funny guy.
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He would, like, do impressions and things like that.
He was into music. He played music. He played an instrument.
He was a very lively guy that I'm assuming based on what people have said that he loved life.
You know, this was somebody that was aspiring to be great.
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Like he was aspiring to be a great person in life. He was kind and caring.
His family recalled that, you know, he was a very good person.
I mean, he did have some mishaps, you know, along the way in life.
You know, things happen.
And he has been to jail a couple of times for, you know, just minor things.
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But either way, going to jail for little things doesn't make you an extremely
bad person. So he was he was still considered like by his family and friends
to be, you know, a great guy.
So during the time of James days in high school, you know, in earlier educational
times, these were still the days of segregation.
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So when James graduated, he graduated from Jasper Row High School,
and his class was considered to be the last segregated class.
Once he graduated, he went on to have three, get married, he got married.
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He had three children by the name of Renee, Ross, and Janie.
James also worked as a vacuum salesman.
Now, I was reading some information about him, and it says that he,
you know, he's involved with some pretty,
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with somebody very important to Black history, who was Rodney King.
James was actually a cousin to Danita Lyons King, who was Rodney King's first wife.
Oh, let me say this. Based on his, where I told you that he was interested and
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he was a musician, he took it very serious because he would perform. He was a performer.
He played the piano and the trumpet. Those were the instruments. I apologize.
And he He would, you know, go around like to different places in the neighborhood
to perform at like birthday parties,
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funerals, whatever service you need a little, you know, you need a little music
where they're sad, happy, whatever the case may be.
He was called upon to perform in these scenarios.
One of his former classmates also said that she recalled that he really,
really, really loved music, like he was in love with music.
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You know, music was, like I said before, it was very important to him.
Yes, James was a truly loved man, like everybody knew him around town,
and everybody loved his personality.
Everybody loved the way that he was.
And after this tragic event, it just broke people's heart, especially in the way that this happened.
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It was really heartbreaking.
He did. However, he was divorced from his wife when this situation had occurred.
He was already a divorced man and he had a disability because he had fallen.
It doesn't say what happened for, you know, how the fall occurred,
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but he had fallen and had become disabled.
So he was mainly probably staying
at home and they recalled that
he was like drinking you know being disabled when
you used to be running about and doing
you know doing certain things it can be a little it probably could be a little
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depressing so I'm assuming you know this is why he was a drinker you know and
he would just people recall that he would be drinking and that is what really
led to where I said that he did commit minor crimes.
So the sheriff's department also knew about him because he frequented the police
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station because of these crimes that he was committing.
So on June the 7th of 1998.
Brewer, I mean, I'm sorry, Bird,
James, James Bird, he accepted
a ride from these three
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gentlemen we're going to call them gentlemen for now but okay there's Sean Barry
who was 23 Lawrence Brewer who was 31 and John King who were 23 who was 23 at the time.
Sean Barry was the one who was driving the vehicle and also the one that James was acquainted with.
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It doesn't say whether they were like good friends, you know,
just saying, you know, just knew of each other, like they said acquainted.
So I'm assuming they just kind of saw him and every now and then would maybe
spark up a little small talk or whatever the case may be.
But James recognized him and knew him just from, you know, their acquaintance
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of whatever sort they had.
But I will continue to tell this case and I will also give a lesson at the end
of telling you this case because a lot of these cases come with life lessons.
And nowadays, you know, I've decided once I'm done telling you a case,
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if I have a life, if I have a life lesson that I can tell you about at the end
of the case, I will tell you.
That's what I've decided. I've decided to implement life lessons so that after
each case, we can know what went wrong and how, if we should be in the same situation,
it can be avoided. Okay. So.
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Burr didn't know, you know, Burr did not know. James did not know,
you know, the intent of what these people were planning to do once they picked
him up. You know, they, he wanted a ride home.
That's what the purpose of picking him up was when they, when he was offered
the ride was to take him home.
So he was assuming I'm being picked up and I'm going to be taken home.
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Little did he know that was not the case.
Okay. So instead of taking James home, and this is where I tell you to please get it. Okay.
Instead of taking James home, these three men took him to a remote road.
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Like they took him somewhere into the bushes, somewhere where nobody could hear
or see whatever they were doing.
And they beat him. They beat him severely.
But that was not enough. So they also spray painted his face.
Urinated and defecated on him.
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And then this is where I want you guys to, as I'm telling you that this is happening.
I want you guys to picture, okay, I know that you guys have,
you know, even if you've never ridden a bike, you may have gotten,
you know, did like skating, did a skateboard.
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Most people have ridden a bike at least once or so.
And, you know, when you're practicing to ride that bike and you fall off and
you scrape your knee, you scrape your, unless you have errands that are like
put on your knee pad, put on your elbow pad, put on your helmet, you know.
And a lot of people, that's not the case. They're like, I'm just riding around for two seconds.
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Don't worry about all that. Helmet? Helmet? Yes, put on the helmet.
But don't worry about all the other stuff. Knee pad, we ain't going to do all that. Yeah.
So and even if you have done that in the beginning,
when you start to feel like, oh, I got this, I got this, I know how to ride
this bike, you're going to put the knee pads and, you know, elbow pads and stuff
to the side and you're going to, you know, go do your thing.
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And something may occur where you may trip up and fall off the bike and you're
going to scrape your elbow, scrape your knee, scrape some. try to recall how
that felt when that occurred to you.
Even if you, like I said, if you've never ridden a bike, just try to recall
some time in life where you probably have fell and scraped something.
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Now let's picture this. So they chained James to the back of the pickup truck by his ankles,
by his ankles, and dragged him down the road for three miles.
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And they were not driving really slow, taking their time.
They were driving pretty fast because he was swinging back and and forth,
back and forth, hitting whatever was in the way.
He was hitting pavements. He was hitting sidewalks, whatever.
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He was hitting a couple of things as they were driving.
For three miles, they dragged James on the back of that pickup truck.
To the point where James was decapitated and mutilated,
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lost all kinds of body parts as they dragged him for three miles on this dirt road.
If you would like to look into what the road looked like back then,
the road was called Huff Creek Road, and it's a county road 278.
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So within the three miles of them dragging him, in one and a half mile, James already died.
He had already had his head knocked off and therefore he was already dead,
but they continued to drag him for another one and a half miles.
So once they finished dragging his body for those three miles,
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they gathered up his torso or whatever was left of his body that was left on that chain.
They took it and dumped it in front of an African-American church, dumped it in the yard.
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Now you may be thinking, why did these three demons, men's, these three waste of lives.
Why did they do this to James? Well, that was because two of them were white supremacists.
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Okay.
Now, once they did that, they left and went to a barbecue.
Cute yeah they want to go eat and celebrate and act like nothing happened right
after they did this gruesome act okay,
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Now, James was dragged for three miles, right?
So let's picture, okay, how this scene looks.
So basically, the following morning, there was a motorist.
I believe it was a sheriff, but it just, it was a motorist. somebody somebody found his body parts.
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Along the area where he was dragged now when they came out to the scene right
police officials or you know they thought it was like tire tracks along the
way of these three miles But basically,
there was like pieces of James's body and a blood track all the way from where
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they did what they did. There was like a blood track.
OK, picture it. A blood track. All right. Right.
Now, based on little evidence that these idiots left behind,
it did not take them long to find these people.
OK, it did not take them long to find these three men because they left so much
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evidence behind to prove that they were the ones who did it.
There was there was a wrench that had Barry written on it.
Yeah geniuses geniuses
i'm telling you geniuses there was also a lighter
that had possum on it
which is kings who is what's his first name john king that's that was his prison
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name so there was a lighter that had possum on it smart smart and there were
81 places that had James Remain.
James Remain was, they were all over the place. Okay.
So once these three men were taken into custody, they.
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Let me just say this too, that King, like I said, King, John King and Lawrence
Brewer, those two were the white supremacists. Okay.
And King had like racist tattoos on his body. Like he truly just hates black people.
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Like, okay. So he has a black man hanging from a tree. That's a tattoo who he has.
He has a Nazi symbol and he has the words Aryan pride.
Not sure what that means.
I should have looked into that and I do apologize, but it's A-R-Y-A-N.
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Feel free to look it up to see the meaning of it. And he also has a patch for
a gang of white supremacist inmates known as the Confederate Knights of America. Okay.
So Sean Barry, Lawrence Brewer, and John King, of course, were found and convicted for Byrd's murder.
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But only Lawrence Brewer and John King were executed.
All right. So let's talk about these horrible people for one moment.
Okay, so, you know, during their trial, who was it?
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Brewer tried to say, let me go by their first name.
Lawrence tried to say that Barry Sean had slashed James's throat before they
even got to dragging him. So he was trying to say he was already dead before
they even got to dragging him.
So dragging him was just kind of an overkill, but he was already dead.
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But based on the autopsy, that was proven to be false because they said based on how, you know.
How his head was attached to his body or something like that.
You know, somehow, however they do, you know, do their thing.
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It proved that he was, he had his neck like up, like he was struggling to keep his head off the ground.
He wasn't just, you know, they could tell whether the body was just limp and being dragged.
And somehow they could tell that there was forced muscle being put into keeping
the head up so that, you know, he could try to relieve the damage to his head.
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So while he was being dragged, that proves that he was alive because they could
tell based on the autopsy that his head was still functional in trying to keep up off the ground.
Very interesting how this stuff works. So like I said, so Brewer tried to say
that Barry, Brewer Barry, okay, OK, so Lawrence tried to say that Sean had slit his throat.
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So let's talk a little bit about them, like I said. So Sean was the one that
was not a white supremacist.
And Sean was also the one who was acquainted with James. Sean was the reason
why James was like, oh, I know him.
If they're offering me a ride, I can trust this guy because I've,
you know, had a couple conversations with him. I'm acquainted with him.
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We're cool. well, let me let me catch a ride with them.
So Sean was the one who bird knew.
And therefore, he was the one who felt very remorseful.
He was the one who showed the most remorse and felt like he felt really bad
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for what what had happened.
Also claimed that Lawrence and John were the main ones that wanted to do this to James.
And because it was his vehicle, you know, and he was there and he was their
friend, they said that if he did not, this is what, this is what Sean said.
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He said that they said that if he did not participate in these activities,
that they would do the same thing that they're doing to him.
They would do that to Sean as well.
So of course, even though, you know, you may really, you know,
know this person and you don't want to do anything to this person,
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you are going to look to protect yourself overall.
So this is what Sean claimed to have occurred on that night.
So like I said, it was very remorseful. And he also says that he's not a racist.
And he also had people there, He had three men there that were there to justify
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that, no, Sean was not a racist.
This is not in his character to do something like this.
So apparently his life was, it was threatened and that's why he participated.
So because of that being proven to be correct, it was proven to be true.
Sean was sentenced to life in
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prison and he will be eligible for parole in June of 2038 at the time of which
he will be 63 years old now Lawrence is one of the ones like I said that is a white supremacist.
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And before he even got involved with James' murder, he had already been in jail
for drug possession and burglary.
He was paroled, and then he violated that parole, which sent him back to prison again.
So while he was in jail or prison, he joined a gang along with John,
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a white supremacist gang, to basically protect himself from other inmates.
And after they did psychological evaluation on him, they branded him a racist psychopath.
Okay? So, after his trial...
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Basically he had no regrets, no regrets whatsoever.
It's even said that he told a news reporter that if he could do it again, he would.
If he could do it all over again, he would do it all over again.
This is this man is a piece
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of shit okay so ultimately
he was sentenced to death
and on September the 21st of 2011 he was executed by lethal injection however
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I did forget to mention that because of Mr.
Let me not even say Mr. Because of Lawrence, the rule for how they did last
meals changed because of his ass. And let me tell you what he did.
So basically, you know how they always say you can have a last meal and you
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choose whatever you want to be your last meal for, you know,
before they execute you.
So on the day that he requested his last meal, let me tell you what he requested.
Two chicken fried steaks with gravy and sliced onions, a triple patty bacon
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cheeseburger, a cheese omelet with ground beef, tomatoes, onions,
bell peppers, and jalapenos.
A bowl of fried okra with ketchup, one pound of barbecue meat with half a loaf of white bread,
three fully loaded fajitas, a meat lover's pizza,
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one pint of Blue Bell vanilla ice cream,
a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts on top, and three root bears.
He ordered all of that, which they're like, whether you can eat it or not,
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you can order whatever you want.
So this was what he ordered, right so when the meal arrived and it was time
for him to feast this man told officials,
that he was not hungry and they had to throw it all away and therefore after
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87 years of a tradition of feeding these people that don't deserve shit anyway,
a last meal of choice that was ended.
So this man made history with that situation.
Okay. Now moving on to John King.
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So John, he was another one who was the white supremacist, right?
And the reason why John hated black men so much is because he claimed,
maybe that's true, though don't say whether or not it is, that while he was
in prison, he was repeatedly gang raped by black inmates.
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And that just fueled is hate for black men.
Okay. Just to say, regardless of what one person does to you,
taking it out on an innocent person, it's not going to justify whatever you're,
whatever you got going on.
It's not going to justify it because you're not hurting the people that hurt
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you. You're hurting somebody else that had nothing to do with it.
And that, that does nothing for nobody. body.
Okay. So.
Was also found guilty of course and he was
also sentenced to death so he
was executed on april the 24th
of 2019 so lawrence
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was 2011 and he stayed alive for what eight more years for whatever reason and
so he was he was sent he was executed in 2019 on April the 24th by lethal injection.
Now of course a death this gruesome this graphic this disturbing is going to
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ring out throughout the nation it's going to ring out throughout the state of
Texas it's going to become a part of history.
And it's going to remain in people's minds for a little bit.
And I wanted us to remember that day and remember what happened to James.
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Because, you know, this story has kind of died down.
And I'm not sure how many other people have talked about it on their crime podcasts as as well.
But I felt the need to mention it because I recall that I had heard about this case a long time ago.
And I just, you know, I, like I said, I never looked into it,
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but it's, it's very, it's something to be remembered.
You know, we need to remember James and we need to remember June the 7th, 1998.
And we need to remember the gruesome event that took, you know, that happened that day.
So that is why I decided to do this case today.
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After what happened to James, Dennis Rodman was a basketball star.
Dennis Rodman paid for his funeral expenses and he also gave James's family $25,000.
Okay. Don King also gave James's children $100,000 in order for them to put
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towards their education or whatever other the needs that they may have,
but mainly their educational expenses.
On the 25th anniversary of James's death,
they had a 2023 interview with the Texas Tribune about fundraising for the foundations
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that were built in James's name towards hate crime and violence towards Black black people,
black men, black children, black women.
And I will have a clip of that on my TikTok account.
I'll put up a clip where you can see where they were talking about that a little bit.
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And there's also been other times where, you know, different shows have brought
up the story or did a reenactment of it in some kind of way.
There was, in October the 7th of 1998, which was just a couple months after the incident.
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Law & Order did an episode entitled DWB, Driving While Black.
There was a documentary entitled Journey to a Hate-Free Millennium,
and that was created in 1999.
And there was also a movie in 2003 named, title, I'm sorry, Jasper,
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Texas, and it was aired on Showtime.
You could also watch that movie on Zumo Play, Tubi, Crackle,
Amazon Prime, Flex, Freebie, Philo, and YouTube TV.
So Philo and YouTube TV, you'll probably have to pay, but on all the other ones,
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it is free for you to watch.
So I do suggest you check that out. I personally have not watched it yet,
but because I just, my God, I can't, I can't even, but I will,
I will probably check it out.
I will probably check it out. but yes it's pretty much free especially on Tubi
you guys we watch Tubi so check it out on that one for sure it will definitely
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be there and it will be free and that is as of today so it is definitely on there at this time.
So, like I said, I just really wanted to mention this case about James because
it was so gruesome and so graphic.
And I just wanted us to remember him today.
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And, you know, the anniversary of his death is coming up because we are in May.
June is right around the corner. and I just want
you to put in that and put it put it in your mind
somewhere in the back the front the side that June
7th something horrible happened back
in 1998 so you know I just wanted us to reflect on that situation and keep his
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family in our prayers you know it's been a while now so I can't I can't say
how people grieve to say oh they're probably doing a lot better now but it has been a while.
But yes, let's just reflect on that day and keep him in our minds on June the 7th, okay?
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So that ends the case of James Byrd.
You can always Google him, Google his name,
Google the dragon murder of James Byrd if you want to read further on the case,
which I suggest you should to read about his family members and other things that he was,
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you know, that involved that, that his kids got involved in based on his murder, you know,
foundations that are set up towards hate crime and things of that nature.
Now, as far as my announcement goes.
So there are times where there are cases that I want to talk about and they
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don't have that much information.
You know, there are some cases that they may have a little story here and there,
but there's no pictures of the victim.
Nothing else is mentioned besides maybe the one news article or whatever the case may be.
And there's times when I want to talk about these cases, but like I said,
there's not enough information for me to make enough content to tell you guys about it.
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So therefore, because I would really like to mention these cases so that you
are aware of different things that happen to different people at certain times,
regardless of how short it may be,
I have decided to implement another,
not another podcast. guess.
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Basically, I've decided to have a mini series, which we will call it Crime Mini,
and it will be on Thursdays.
So on Thursdays around 12 is when those episodes will be released.
And basically, it'll just be a mini episode under the same podcast, In Time Crime,
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but it will be be called a crime mini episode where I will talk about one of
these short cases where they don't get too much coverage, but I would really like to talk about it.
So that those cases will probably, you know, those episodes will probably last
about maybe five to 10 minutes because there's not a lot of information.
But like I said, I just want to mention it. I just want to talk about it.
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Maybe there's a family member or somebody, a friend that recall when that case
occurred and, and they would want
to hear about it because they want other people to hear about it as well.
So I've decided to do that, these unpopular cases.
So yes, starting this Thursday, what date is that? Let us see.
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This Thursday, May the 23rd, I will have crime minis.
Are we excited?
I'm excited. Okay, so yes, once again, thank you so much. Thank you so much,
so much, so much for listening.
I am your biggest fan. I really appreciate you guys listening.
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You could be doing anything else, but you've chosen, yes, you've chosen to take
this time out of your day or even while you're doing things within your day,
because it is a audio podcast.
You can do whatever you're doing while you're listening to it.
But thank you for listening. I really appreciate you guys from the bottom of my heart.
(38:53):
Thank you so much. Don't forget to tell a friend and tell that friend to tell
another friend and tell that friend that told that other friend to tell another
friend as well to listen to the podcast if they are interested in true crime. Okay.
Also don't forget to follow me on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook and join the Facebook group.
(39:17):
Everything that I need you to join, everything that I need you to do,
it will be located in the description for this audio in the link tree.
So it's just one One click and it will take you to everywhere where you need to go.
So I would appreciate if you guys join the group.
Also the TikTok, the Instagram, and the Facebook, okay?
(39:43):
I appreciate you guys so much. You can also email me if you want to email me anything.
If you just want to talk, you can email me, all right?
If you want to send me an instant message, you can send me an instant message on Facebook.
You can DM me on Instagram.
I will reply to you guys, okay? Just make sure you're saying,
(40:05):
I am reaching out because I, you know, I've listened to your in-time crime.
So I can know exactly where you're coming from.
Cause there's some people that are hitting me up on instant messenger and they're
just like, hi, hello. Hey.
And I'm like, I don't, I don't really know what we're, what we're about to talk
about, what we're about to get into.
So once you message me on there, just let me know, you know,
(40:27):
this is where you heard that you want to reach out from.
You want to reach out from in-time crime. so that way I'll be like, oh, OK, cool.
We're going to, you know, cool beans. Thank you so much.
So just let me know that this is where you're coming from. You're not just saying, hey, from nowhere.
All right. I will appreciate that so much.
(40:48):
All right. So I'll see you guys on Thursday. Yay. We don't got to wait till Sunday, no more.
So I'll see you guys on Thursday for a mini series. stories our very first episode of Crime Mini.
Thank you guys once again so much for joining me this Sunday afternoon and you have a wonderful day.
(41:11):
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