May 4, 2025 • 23 mins
Before badges and cruisers, there were whips and runaway notices. In this urgent episode, host Jesse Lee Hammonds uncovers the chilling roots of American law enforcement—from colonial slave patrols to today’s immigration raids and ICE detentions. Joined by The Logical Lawyer, Bernie Brown, and retired engineer Michael Williams, they unravel how “order” was historically enforced not for justice—but for control. With riveting historical detail and modern-day headlines, this episode makes one thing clear: history isn’t behind us. It’s now. And unless we understand the systems, we’ll keep repeating them. This is the part of the story they didn’t teach in school.
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(00:05):
Yeah, it's that part, thepart that makes sense.
The one that hits different withyour host, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
Let's get into it.
(00:35):
Hear,
welcome back.
It's that part, uh, where we pausethe noise and zoom in on what
people miss, at least some people.
Anyway.
If you, if you're, uh, halfasleep or just sleep at, at all,
you, you, you're missing it.
Uh, the rest of us, we we're,we're, we're catching it.
(00:56):
We just need to be.
Reminded and, and, and, um, promptedto lean in on it, you know, because
it's, it's there, it's, it, it'sright, right there in front of us.
And, uh, I'm your host,uh, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
And, uh, we're going back, wayback, uh, to take a look at
(01:19):
policing and law enforcement.
Because, uh, before there werebadges and cruisers, there
were whips and runaway notices.
So we have five segments.
I'm going to, well, youknow, wait a minute.
Let's see.
You know, I think I broke itdown into like seven segments.
(01:40):
Uh, we're gonna lean into those.
Um.
Let's see.
We're going to, we're gonna hit, uh,what do we do with the information, you
know, that I'm going to share with you?
Also, we're gonna take a look at,uh, Haiti and, and how it was a
threat then to the institution.
(02:03):
Um, of slavery.
Um, and, uh, then we're gonna also leanin on, um, from Border Patrol to ice, uh,
with the immigrant being the new fugitive.
Uh, we're also going to lean inon, uh, post emancipation, uh,
(02:26):
same mission, different badges.
Uh, then we're gonna hit, uh,the birth of slave patrols.
And we're also gonna take a look at,uh, before, uh, there were police,
what kept order in early America,but we're gonna set the stage,
(02:46):
uh, we're gonna set the stage, uh,for what, uh, we are witnessing.
In present day.
Uh, that's the thing that, um, that gotme to thinking, uh, you know, because
I, I've been watching the headlinesabout immigration raids, detentions and
(03:07):
growing, uh, the growing power of ice plusthe, the, uh, deployment of active duty
military, um, to police American citizens.
Imagine that.
I never would've thought that.
And, and I'm a veteran myself,and I, I, I couldn't help but
(03:28):
think, how did we get here?
I mean, how did this happen?
Why does the system feel so cold and sopunitive, vindictive, and, and targeted?
Well, history tells us a story.
And as always, it's that part.
(03:50):
Most people never got taught in school.
So today we're, we're pulling thecurtain back on something, uh, that
has shaped the very way America thinksabout law order and, and who belongs.
Shout out to the, uh, 14th Amendment.
So, uh, moving ahead, um, you know,before the police, what, what kept
(04:16):
order in America anyway, so, uh, uh, tofind that out or take a look at that.
Let's, let's, uh, rewind beforewe had what we, uh, now call.
Police departments, early Americancolonies relied on a few informal
systems to maintain order.
(04:36):
Think Night Watchmen, which were localvolunteers, usually white men who'd walk
the streets at night looking for fires,troublemakers, or escaped servants.
Air quotes, uh, constables, uh,sometimes appointed, sometimes elected.
(04:58):
Uh, and their role was, uh,part clerk and part enforcer.
We had Sheriffs and Marshalls,and you probably remember that
from the old Western movies.
Um, and, you know, point of information,a lot of those Western movies, uh,
(05:18):
took place, um, during str slaveryor right there in post-slavery.
And, uh, often, uh, you know, these, uh,sheriffs and marshals, uh, were, uh, tied
to their counties or federal appointments.
(05:41):
Especially in the cases of the, ofthe Marshals, uh, they enforced the
law, served warrants, and sometimesmanaged the, the, the, uh, jails.
And, um, here's the key.
None of this was organized as astanding publicly funded force.
None of it that came much later.
(06:04):
And in the south, well.
That came for a very different reason.
The birth of slave patrols.
Beginning in the early 17 hundreds, slavepatrols were formed in colonies like South
Carolina, Virginia, in North Carolina.
(06:26):
These were groups of armed white mentasked with hunting down runaway.
Enslaved Africans, at leastthat's what they call them.
Um, let's see.
Um, monitoring andintimidating enslaved people.
Intimidating,
(06:50):
oh man, they were missed.
Uh, also preventingrevolts and gatherings.
Um, couldn't gather.
You something might be going on there.
Um, and uh, you know, they didn't knowthat when they heard the singing and
the spirituals and everything goingon, that there was something going on.
(07:13):
They didn't catch onto that.
Now I don't think they ever,ever caught onto to that.
Uh, anyway.
Um.
Something else that they used to get into,uh, these, uh, sheriffs and marshals,
uh, that was enforcing slave codes.
Uh, those were laws that saidblack people, uh, couldn't travel,
(07:36):
gather or even learn to read.
Mm mm mm What a mess.
Let let that sit for a second.
They were, we were prohibited.
Our, my ancestors wereprohibited from learning to read
(07:57):
and or write.
Of course, the earliest organizedlaw enforcement in, uh, the American
South wasn't about keeping town safe.
It was about keepingproperty human beings.
Under their control.
Slave patrols, uh, were writteninto state law, were publicly
(08:19):
funded, respected, and brutal.
I mean, they took, actually, took pridein these slave laws in, in owning slaves.
And as the, uh, theplantation economy grew.
So did the patrols after slaveryended, many of these patrols evolved
(08:42):
into local police departments?
Yes.
That was the origin.
Even the same tactics, uh, just with, uh,new uniforms and a new excuse, air quotes.
Again, keeping the peace.
We hear that, we hear that these days.
(09:04):
Keeping the peace.
That's the excuse.
Alright.
Okay, so we're in post emancipation.
There's a, a similar or same mission,but now they're doing it with badges.
You see, following the Civil War ofSouthern states passed black codes, they,
(09:26):
they, they transitioned from slave codes.
To black codes and these laws were, uh,uh, designed to control the movement
and freedom of newly freed black people.
Police enforced these codes.
And again, this was primarilyat the state level there.
(09:49):
Um, although, um, it wasinstitutionalized, it was, it was
something that was, well, well,definitely very prevalent in the south.
Uh, but many, uh, northern states,not that there was many at the
time, uh, they, they more or lessrecognized a lot of these things.
Or, or didn't, you know, stop'em when they came up there
(10:12):
to, uh, grab their property.
Any rate later came Jim Crow.
I. Jim and Jane Crow, uh, vagrancylaws, segregation ordinance, ordinances.
And um, and once again, law enforcementwas used to criminalize black existence.
(10:33):
Just, just, just existing whileblack, you know, not just black
behavior, whatever the heck that is.
Mm-hmm.
Or was.
Or is considered, but justexisting as a black person.
And, and that's something that'sprevalent in these days and times.
(10:53):
Let's check this out.
In, in, in the North, police developeddifferently, not not much, but
they, they developed differently.
Um, they were more focused on industriallabor, labor strikes, uh, immigration
enforcement and urban control.
But even there, the targeting of blackand brown bodies was never far behind.
(11:19):
Yeah.
So let's now take a lookat, uh, uh, border Patrol.
Speaking of immigration andthat sort of thing there.
Border patrol and the origins of, of ice.
And just in case, uh, you didn't knowexactly what that stands for, it's
(11:43):
the Immigration Custom Enforcement.
And, uh, and we'll drill down onthat a little bit later on, uh, in
this segment here, believe, but, um.
You know, the immigrantbecame the new fugitive.
So we're gonna fast forward nowfrom out of slavery, uh, up to
(12:07):
around 1924, the, when the, uh, UScreated the border Patrol itself.
It's been around for a little while,largely in response to rising in
immigration from Mexico and Asia.
It's job to control who came in andto, uh, start shaping the narrative of.
(12:30):
Who belongs.
Shout out to the Fourth Amendmentagain, then in the aftermath of nine 11.
Ice again, that's the Immigration andCustoms Enforcement, uh, was born under
the Department of Homeland Security.
(12:50):
Now what started as anational security move, uh.
Quickly just, you know, evolved, uh, intoa tool for mass detention and deportation.
But what's the real, what'sthe, the, the real true mission?
(13:11):
It's eerily familiar.
Track down detain return thatis to to to hunt people who've
moved without permission.
Sound familiar?
So with that, um, there was a groupof people, a large group of people
(13:35):
that, um, that wanted to move.
Like they wanted to move.
And, um, they took a lot of the, they,they took matters into their own hands.
They had to, no one else was going to.
And, um.
They were a part of a nation called Haiti,and, and here's where it gets deeper.
(14:02):
In 1804, Haiti became thefirst host, slavery Black
Republic in the modern world.
That's quite the distinctionbecause at that time you, I
mean, slavery was, was deep.
It, it was deep and throughout it,and a lot of people had had made
(14:24):
their fortunes and, um, if you wereborn a slave, you were a slave for
life and all of that was going on.
But, um.
The enslaved people and all ofthese people were descendants
of, of, of, of Africans.
(14:44):
They, where they were of Africandescent, they, they rose up.
The overthrew, the Frenchand declared their freedom.
This terrified sha uh, slave holdingnations like the, the United States.
They're like, oh my goodness,they're gonna come here.
Haiti wasn't just a country.
(15:08):
They were a symbol, a symbolto all, uh, enslaved people.
A threat, a possibility.
This is what it looks like tohave freedom and to fight for it.
For over 200 years, Haiti has beenpolitically and economically punished.
(15:33):
For doing just that,for daring to be free.
From embargoes to invasions toexploitation, you can trace,
uh, you know, the pattern.
As a matter of fact, I think, uh, there,uh, someone is applying arms, automatic
(15:54):
weapons and ammunition and that sort ofthing, uh, to Haiti to fuel the gangs that
are running rampant over there right now.
Through Florida
now.
Now we actually know thatthis is happening, you know,
but no one is stopping it.
(16:17):
I wonder why.
So even today, Haitian immigrantsare among the most harshly treated,
uh, by, uh, ice and border patrol.
Shout out to, uh, the, the Haitians in,in Springfield there, Springfield, Ohio.
(16:37):
It is not just racism, it's, it's,it's history repeating itself.
So what do we do with this?
What do we do with all this informationthat I've just shared with you?
Because it's all facts.
Definitely all facts.
Well, we pause.
We pause, we reflect.
(17:01):
And we talk about it amongst ourselves,person to person, online, wherever,
because if we don't talk aboutit, people won't know about it
and they need to know about it.
They're removing.
Um, and, and they being the oppositionto learning and, and empowerment
(17:27):
and awareness, they are trying toremove all kinds of information that
would empower us and enable us, youknow, to be aware and to be awake.
History can't be changed,but it can be understood
(17:52):
and to be understood, wehave to have the knowledge.
And the information, and that's oneof the beauties of having a podcast,
not just myself, but others thatare in this space doing this work.
And when we understandhistory, we understand it,
(18:14):
we're less likely to accept.
Today's injustices as normal andnecessary because the opposition,
that's exactly what they want.
They want you to either remain asleepor to be apathetic and feel powerless
(18:36):
and stay in your marginalization.
No.
I say no,
it's that part of the story mostpeople never got and never get
for one reason or another.
And, and it's our job to tell it.
It's my that, that's my job to do that.
(18:58):
And I joined a number of people that.
Are in that mix.
Let's, let's push back against systemsthat were never meant to protect us
in a, in a, in an orderly manner.
Now I'm not, not advocating any kindof violence or anything like that.
(19:19):
I'm talking peacefully, butassuredly though, back straight,
let's challenge narratives thatsay control equals safety because.
That's a myth.
That's what they want you to think.
But that's, that's a myth.
Let's ask the, the harder questionsand not be afraid of the truth.
(19:43):
Because some of the issues,a lot of the issues are us.
Yeah.
People that look like you and me.
We are, we are the issue.
We don't want to get involved.
We're not, we don't, I'm not political.
I'm not this and that and the other.
Meanwhile, they're taking us back.
(20:03):
They wanna take us all the way back.
Yes, the 14th Amendment is, is, isin the mix and, and in the news.
But I've always been crawlingabout that 13th Amendment.
I mean, I, I, if I'm not mistaken,the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment,
uh, uh, amendments came as a, youknow, all at, not all at once,
(20:29):
but came all together basically.
I.
It is meaningful, and I think thatthey want to take us back prior to
the ratifications of those amendments.
Anyway,
I could go on and on and I willactually, you know, there'll,
(20:50):
there'll be other episodes here.
But, um, if this episode gave yousomething to, uh, think about, share it.
Share it with somebody you know, shareit with someone you don't know, there's
a link, you know, to the, to the episode,to the podcast episode to share it out.
(21:11):
You got social media, you shareall kinds of other things there.
Uh, you know, the latest TikTokchallenge or latest TikTok dance
or, you know, the, the, the puppyor the, uh, the lobster that looks
as large as a horse or whatever.
I mean.
I mean, that's all well and good, butuh, this is some serious stuff here.
(21:37):
We're, we're, we're alive in somevery serious times, and we need to
stay focused on what really matters.
It's that part.
That's it.
It's that part in OAG media production.
Be sure to like, follow,download, subscribe, and share
(21:58):
the link with everybody you know.
And remember, history not onlyreminds us of what happened in
the past, but also shines a lighton what's happening right now.
And what could happen in the future.
So stay aware and stay awake.
It's that
(22:19):
the truth
makes.
(22:40):
Truth.
Truth.
That's Oh, you feel it in,oh, you feel it in your heart.
It's that with Jesse Hammer.
Truth never.
Yeah, it's that part, thepart that makes sense.
The one that hits different withyour host, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
Let's get into it.
(00:35):
Hear,
welcome back.
It's that part, uh, where we pausethe noise and zoom in on what
people miss, at least some people.
Anyway.
If you, if you're, uh, halfasleep or just sleep at, at all,
you, you, you're missing it.
Uh, the rest of us, we we're,we're, we're catching it.
(00:56):
We just need to be.
Reminded and, and, and, um, promptedto lean in on it, you know, because
it's, it's there, it's, it, it'sright, right there in front of us.
And, uh, I'm your host,uh, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
And, uh, we're going back, wayback, uh, to take a look at
(01:19):
policing and law enforcement.
Because, uh, before there werebadges and cruisers, there
were whips and runaway notices.
So we have five segments.
I'm going to, well, youknow, wait a minute.
Let's see.
You know, I think I broke itdown into like seven segments.
(01:40):
Uh, we're gonna lean into those.
Um.
Let's see.
We're going to, we're gonna hit, uh,what do we do with the information, you
know, that I'm going to share with you?
Also, we're gonna take a look at,uh, Haiti and, and how it was a
threat then to the institution.
(02:03):
Um, of slavery.
Um, and, uh, then we're gonna also leanin on, um, from Border Patrol to ice, uh,
with the immigrant being the new fugitive.
Uh, we're also going to lean inon, uh, post emancipation, uh,
(02:26):
same mission, different badges.
Uh, then we're gonna hit, uh,the birth of slave patrols.
And we're also gonna take a look at,uh, before, uh, there were police,
what kept order in early America,but we're gonna set the stage,
(02:46):
uh, we're gonna set the stage, uh,for what, uh, we are witnessing.
In present day.
Uh, that's the thing that, um, that gotme to thinking, uh, you know, because
I, I've been watching the headlinesabout immigration raids, detentions and
(03:07):
growing, uh, the growing power of ice plusthe, the, uh, deployment of active duty
military, um, to police American citizens.
Imagine that.
I never would've thought that.
And, and I'm a veteran myself,and I, I, I couldn't help but
(03:28):
think, how did we get here?
I mean, how did this happen?
Why does the system feel so cold and sopunitive, vindictive, and, and targeted?
Well, history tells us a story.
And as always, it's that part.
(03:50):
Most people never got taught in school.
So today we're, we're pulling thecurtain back on something, uh, that
has shaped the very way America thinksabout law order and, and who belongs.
Shout out to the, uh, 14th Amendment.
So, uh, moving ahead, um, you know,before the police, what, what kept
(04:16):
order in America anyway, so, uh, uh, tofind that out or take a look at that.
Let's, let's, uh, rewind beforewe had what we, uh, now call.
Police departments, early Americancolonies relied on a few informal
systems to maintain order.
(04:36):
Think Night Watchmen, which were localvolunteers, usually white men who'd walk
the streets at night looking for fires,troublemakers, or escaped servants.
Air quotes, uh, constables, uh,sometimes appointed, sometimes elected.
(04:58):
Uh, and their role was, uh,part clerk and part enforcer.
We had Sheriffs and Marshalls,and you probably remember that
from the old Western movies.
Um, and, you know, point of information,a lot of those Western movies, uh,
(05:18):
took place, um, during str slaveryor right there in post-slavery.
And, uh, often, uh, you know, these, uh,sheriffs and marshals, uh, were, uh, tied
to their counties or federal appointments.
(05:41):
Especially in the cases of the, ofthe Marshals, uh, they enforced the
law, served warrants, and sometimesmanaged the, the, the, uh, jails.
And, um, here's the key.
None of this was organized as astanding publicly funded force.
None of it that came much later.
(06:04):
And in the south, well.
That came for a very different reason.
The birth of slave patrols.
Beginning in the early 17 hundreds, slavepatrols were formed in colonies like South
Carolina, Virginia, in North Carolina.
(06:26):
These were groups of armed white mentasked with hunting down runaway.
Enslaved Africans, at leastthat's what they call them.
Um, let's see.
Um, monitoring andintimidating enslaved people.
Intimidating,
(06:50):
oh man, they were missed.
Uh, also preventingrevolts and gatherings.
Um, couldn't gather.
You something might be going on there.
Um, and uh, you know, they didn't knowthat when they heard the singing and
the spirituals and everything goingon, that there was something going on.
(07:13):
They didn't catch onto that.
Now I don't think they ever,ever caught onto to that.
Uh, anyway.
Um.
Something else that they used to get into,uh, these, uh, sheriffs and marshals,
uh, that was enforcing slave codes.
Uh, those were laws that saidblack people, uh, couldn't travel,
(07:36):
gather or even learn to read.
Mm mm mm What a mess.
Let let that sit for a second.
They were, we were prohibited.
Our, my ancestors wereprohibited from learning to read
(07:57):
and or write.
Of course, the earliest organizedlaw enforcement in, uh, the American
South wasn't about keeping town safe.
It was about keepingproperty human beings.
Under their control.
Slave patrols, uh, were writteninto state law, were publicly
(08:19):
funded, respected, and brutal.
I mean, they took, actually, took pridein these slave laws in, in owning slaves.
And as the, uh, theplantation economy grew.
So did the patrols after slaveryended, many of these patrols evolved
(08:42):
into local police departments?
Yes.
That was the origin.
Even the same tactics, uh, just with, uh,new uniforms and a new excuse, air quotes.
Again, keeping the peace.
We hear that, we hear that these days.
(09:04):
Keeping the peace.
That's the excuse.
Alright.
Okay, so we're in post emancipation.
There's a, a similar or same mission,but now they're doing it with badges.
You see, following the Civil War ofSouthern states passed black codes, they,
(09:26):
they, they transitioned from slave codes.
To black codes and these laws were, uh,uh, designed to control the movement
and freedom of newly freed black people.
Police enforced these codes.
And again, this was primarilyat the state level there.
(09:49):
Um, although, um, it wasinstitutionalized, it was, it was
something that was, well, well,definitely very prevalent in the south.
Uh, but many, uh, northern states,not that there was many at the
time, uh, they, they more or lessrecognized a lot of these things.
Or, or didn't, you know, stop'em when they came up there
(10:12):
to, uh, grab their property.
Any rate later came Jim Crow.
I. Jim and Jane Crow, uh, vagrancylaws, segregation ordinance, ordinances.
And um, and once again, law enforcementwas used to criminalize black existence.
(10:33):
Just, just, just existing whileblack, you know, not just black
behavior, whatever the heck that is.
Mm-hmm.
Or was.
Or is considered, but justexisting as a black person.
And, and that's something that'sprevalent in these days and times.
(10:53):
Let's check this out.
In, in, in the North, police developeddifferently, not not much, but
they, they developed differently.
Um, they were more focused on industriallabor, labor strikes, uh, immigration
enforcement and urban control.
But even there, the targeting of blackand brown bodies was never far behind.
(11:19):
Yeah.
So let's now take a lookat, uh, uh, border Patrol.
Speaking of immigration andthat sort of thing there.
Border patrol and the origins of, of ice.
And just in case, uh, you didn't knowexactly what that stands for, it's
(11:43):
the Immigration Custom Enforcement.
And, uh, and we'll drill down onthat a little bit later on, uh, in
this segment here, believe, but, um.
You know, the immigrantbecame the new fugitive.
So we're gonna fast forward nowfrom out of slavery, uh, up to
(12:07):
around 1924, the, when the, uh, UScreated the border Patrol itself.
It's been around for a little while,largely in response to rising in
immigration from Mexico and Asia.
It's job to control who came in andto, uh, start shaping the narrative of.
(12:30):
Who belongs.
Shout out to the Fourth Amendmentagain, then in the aftermath of nine 11.
Ice again, that's the Immigration andCustoms Enforcement, uh, was born under
the Department of Homeland Security.
(12:50):
Now what started as anational security move, uh.
Quickly just, you know, evolved, uh, intoa tool for mass detention and deportation.
But what's the real, what'sthe, the, the real true mission?
(13:11):
It's eerily familiar.
Track down detain return thatis to to to hunt people who've
moved without permission.
Sound familiar?
So with that, um, there was a groupof people, a large group of people
(13:35):
that, um, that wanted to move.
Like they wanted to move.
And, um, they took a lot of the, they,they took matters into their own hands.
They had to, no one else was going to.
And, um.
They were a part of a nation called Haiti,and, and here's where it gets deeper.
(14:02):
In 1804, Haiti became thefirst host, slavery Black
Republic in the modern world.
That's quite the distinctionbecause at that time you, I
mean, slavery was, was deep.
It, it was deep and throughout it,and a lot of people had had made
(14:24):
their fortunes and, um, if you wereborn a slave, you were a slave for
life and all of that was going on.
But, um.
The enslaved people and all ofthese people were descendants
of, of, of, of Africans.
(14:44):
They, where they were of Africandescent, they, they rose up.
The overthrew, the Frenchand declared their freedom.
This terrified sha uh, slave holdingnations like the, the United States.
They're like, oh my goodness,they're gonna come here.
Haiti wasn't just a country.
(15:08):
They were a symbol, a symbolto all, uh, enslaved people.
A threat, a possibility.
This is what it looks like tohave freedom and to fight for it.
For over 200 years, Haiti has beenpolitically and economically punished.
(15:33):
For doing just that,for daring to be free.
From embargoes to invasions toexploitation, you can trace,
uh, you know, the pattern.
As a matter of fact, I think, uh, there,uh, someone is applying arms, automatic
(15:54):
weapons and ammunition and that sort ofthing, uh, to Haiti to fuel the gangs that
are running rampant over there right now.
Through Florida
now.
Now we actually know thatthis is happening, you know,
but no one is stopping it.
(16:17):
I wonder why.
So even today, Haitian immigrantsare among the most harshly treated,
uh, by, uh, ice and border patrol.
Shout out to, uh, the, the Haitians in,in Springfield there, Springfield, Ohio.
(16:37):
It is not just racism, it's, it's,it's history repeating itself.
So what do we do with this?
What do we do with all this informationthat I've just shared with you?
Because it's all facts.
Definitely all facts.
Well, we pause.
We pause, we reflect.
(17:01):
And we talk about it amongst ourselves,person to person, online, wherever,
because if we don't talk aboutit, people won't know about it
and they need to know about it.
They're removing.
Um, and, and they being the oppositionto learning and, and empowerment
(17:27):
and awareness, they are trying toremove all kinds of information that
would empower us and enable us, youknow, to be aware and to be awake.
History can't be changed,but it can be understood
(17:52):
and to be understood, wehave to have the knowledge.
And the information, and that's oneof the beauties of having a podcast,
not just myself, but others thatare in this space doing this work.
And when we understandhistory, we understand it,
(18:14):
we're less likely to accept.
Today's injustices as normal andnecessary because the opposition,
that's exactly what they want.
They want you to either remain asleepor to be apathetic and feel powerless
(18:36):
and stay in your marginalization.
No.
I say no,
it's that part of the story mostpeople never got and never get
for one reason or another.
And, and it's our job to tell it.
It's my that, that's my job to do that.
(18:58):
And I joined a number of people that.
Are in that mix.
Let's, let's push back against systemsthat were never meant to protect us
in a, in a, in an orderly manner.
Now I'm not, not advocating any kindof violence or anything like that.
(19:19):
I'm talking peacefully, butassuredly though, back straight,
let's challenge narratives thatsay control equals safety because.
That's a myth.
That's what they want you to think.
But that's, that's a myth.
Let's ask the, the harder questionsand not be afraid of the truth.
(19:43):
Because some of the issues,a lot of the issues are us.
Yeah.
People that look like you and me.
We are, we are the issue.
We don't want to get involved.
We're not, we don't, I'm not political.
I'm not this and that and the other.
Meanwhile, they're taking us back.
(20:03):
They wanna take us all the way back.
Yes, the 14th Amendment is, is, isin the mix and, and in the news.
But I've always been crawlingabout that 13th Amendment.
I mean, I, I, if I'm not mistaken,the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment,
uh, uh, amendments came as a, youknow, all at, not all at once,
(20:29):
but came all together basically.
I.
It is meaningful, and I think thatthey want to take us back prior to
the ratifications of those amendments.
Anyway,
I could go on and on and I willactually, you know, there'll,
(20:50):
there'll be other episodes here.
But, um, if this episode gave yousomething to, uh, think about, share it.
Share it with somebody you know, shareit with someone you don't know, there's
a link, you know, to the, to the episode,to the podcast episode to share it out.
(21:11):
You got social media, you shareall kinds of other things there.
Uh, you know, the latest TikTokchallenge or latest TikTok dance
or, you know, the, the, the puppyor the, uh, the lobster that looks
as large as a horse or whatever.
I mean.
I mean, that's all well and good, butuh, this is some serious stuff here.
(21:37):
We're, we're, we're alive in somevery serious times, and we need to
stay focused on what really matters.
It's that part.
That's it.
It's that part in OAG media production.
Be sure to like, follow,download, subscribe, and share
(21:58):
the link with everybody you know.
And remember, history not onlyreminds us of what happened in
the past, but also shines a lighton what's happening right now.
And what could happen in the future.
So stay aware and stay awake.
It's that
(22:19):
the truth
makes.
(22:40):
Truth.
Truth.
That's Oh, you feel it in,oh, you feel it in your heart.
It's that with Jesse Hammer.
Truth never.
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