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February 18, 2025 124 mins

In this episode, Jeffrey and psychoanalyst Adam Ayala delve into the intricate dynamics of empathy and emotional presence, drawing insights from John Madonna’s work and tactical empathy techniques. They explore the fine lines between sympathy, empathy, and pity, while unpacking complex concepts like transference and soul murder.

The conversation offers practical and thought-provoking guidance on navigating the promise and peril of empathy in both personal and professional contexts.

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OUTLINE:

00:00 Introduction

02:40 Emotional Presence & Empathy

13:59 Sympathy vs. Empathy

31:17 Misguided Empathy & Soul Murder

45:16 Balancing Assumptions & Inquiry

01:18:47 Philosophy in Psychoanalytic Training

01:28:31 Genuine Empathy vs. Manipulation

01:46:24 Suffering Well

01:50:03 Modern Perspectives on Freud & Jung

02:03:18 Final Thoughts & Outro

 

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This episode has been co-produced by Kate van Leeuwen.

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