After a three-year hiatus, Frank Downs and Dustin Brewer are back—older, wiser, and still talking into microphones they probably shouldn’t be trusted with. In this launch of their new podcast: Legitimate Cybersecurity, the two 20-year cyber veterans tackle one of the industry’s most persistent problems: why patching is still broken in 2025.
They explore:
The cultural and business reasons patching never gets prioritized
How vulnerability management became the garbage collection of cyber
Why budget, not breaches, still drives security decision-making
The role of AI as both insider and outsider threat
And yes—why your dishwasher needs Wi-Fi now
Part technical, part philosophical, and all-too-real, this episode lays the groundwork for future conversations on what actually works in cybersecurity—and why so much of it still doesn’t.
🎧 Whether you’re a veteran CISO, a SOC analyst, or just wondering what CVSS stands for (don’t worry, we forgot too), this one’s for you.
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