Navigating Fatherhood: A Stepmom's Perspective on Custody Battles

Navigating Fatherhood: A Stepmom's Perspective on Custody Battles

Welcome back to the Let Him See That Child podcast, where we continue our Fatherhood Chronicle series with a very special guest, Detris Lawrence. Detris shares her unique perspective as the wife of a man fighting for custody of his son and the challenges they face due to a strained relationship with the child's mother.

In this episode, we delve into the dynamics of their blended family, including how Detris met her husband and the complexities that arose after their marriage. We discuss the difficulties they encounter with the child's mother, the impact of past relationships, and the ongoing legal battle to gain custody.

Join us as we explore potential solutions, including the possibility of involving law enforcement for safe exchanges, and the emotional toll this situation takes on all parties involved. We also hear from the audience on what steps should be taken next to reunite this father with his son.

Don't miss out on this heartfelt and eye-opening episode. Tune in to hear more about the struggles and triumphs of navigating fatherhood amidst custody battles.

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series, and I have a very, very special guest with us today.
You want to introduce yourself?
Hi, I'm Detris Lawrence, and I am the wife of Let That Man See His Kids. Okay.
She's the wife, so we're going to have a really interesting conversation.

(00:36):
We get a different perspective here.
You want to just jump right in? I guess we probably should, huh?
Yeah. Yeah. So I am not late. I'm late. And I met my husband online.
So we've been there. We're online. For the girl that's looking for a husband,
where online did you meet him?
I met him on POF. Okay.

(00:57):
I used to do the whole black people meet thing. And then my friend's like,
girl, go on POF and you don't have to spend no money.
And I was like, girl, what type of man I'm going to meet on POF?
She's like, I met mine, Sarah. So I tried it and we dated for two years and we got married.
Almost seven years November nice can I ask you something just a side note did

(01:19):
y'all move in with each other before or after marriage after after marriage
yeah interesting okay if you would have asked me before I probably should have
shacked before you think so I think so why some things you would have known
yeah absolutely okay absolutely,
definitely with how he keeps house.
But you love him we here now we here we here seven years in the making alright

(01:41):
yeah So your husband has kids? He does. He has a son. He's 11.
Okay. What's that relationship like? It's strange.
It's strange. It's been three years since we saw him. And, you know,
last year we tried to go to court to get custody.
And things just didn't work out. The baby mama was with the battles of old past

(02:06):
history from their relationships.
So how did we get here? Let's back up a few years because you've been with him
going on seven. So you got to see the whole thing.
Yeah. We've been together nine. Nine years. Married seven. Seven.
So let's talk about what happened. So you're in this marriage.
They have an okay relationship. At least okay. They were seeing each other at
some point. Well, they were together five years.

(02:27):
Okay. They were together five
years. When you say they, who are we talking about? The baby mama and my.
Oh, no. So I'm asking about the son's relationship. Oh, okay.
So, your husband and his son had a decent relationship initially. Okay. What happened?
When we got married, things changed with the baby's mom of not really allowing

(02:49):
him to come over and visit because she was in her feelings about us being married
and why we didn't tell her we were getting married and all that stuff there.
So, he saw, he officially picked him up one, I'm sorry.
He picked him up from her when he was like three.
That was the last time he actually had face-to-face contact with her,

(03:12):
with picking up his son. Mm-hmm.
And then after that, I became the mediator and was doing the pickups and PTAs
or whatever she needed me to do. She was working late.
I would go get him, stuff like that. We had a meeting spot.
But it just got to the point to where she didn't want to continue to meet with
me. She wanted to put the eyes on him.

(03:35):
And then when I asked for him or does he need anything, I was like, oh, I'm good. He's good.
You know, blame it on your husband why he can't see his son.
And I was like, they're just stupid. It just made no sense to me.
You're upset. You're in your feelings. You're definitely dealing with some hurt.
But you need to move on and let him see his kid.

(03:57):
Okay, so let me get this straight. The relationship was fine.
The two of you got married is when it started to derail. Correct.
From there, you were playing. Why did you have to play mediator?
What was stopping your husband from?
Because he didn't want, they had a toxic relationship. relationship and
so I guess his way of dealing with it he doesn't really want to deal
with her and put himself in that situation again with her

(04:18):
so he kind of just left it alone and
then I'm like but I can't date you and
not you be involved like we got to figure out some kind of solution here and
so I ended up being the mediator with that and it worked for a while it worked
for a while so instead of him having direct contact with her you would do correct
the the contact and then at At some point, she said, you know what?

(04:42):
I'm not doing this with you.
Right. So my husband's grandfather died during COVID.
And he came to the funeral. Mm-hmm.
And my husband and his mom, about a month before, had some words or whatever
about her continuing to visit his family.
So nobody was setting boundaries for her to be just continuing to visit whenever she wanted to.

(05:04):
And so we were in town and he wanted to go visit. But then he's like,
who's in the background? And she was there.
And I just made him mad. And so they had some words. And so,
of course, his mom told the family.
And it got back to the entire family. And then so at the funeral,
they call and say, hey, your grandfather died.

(05:25):
Can you come down? So we came down and they knew how to get to him.
And so the mom, his mom was coercing his son to come to her,
not to him. Because normally we see him. He's excited.
He runs to the truck, you know, and greets us. But this, it was strange.
The whole vibe of the funeral was just strange. It wasn't sad. It was strange.
And she was so happy. She was at the funeral.

(05:48):
She was at the funeral. funeral, and so my husband's mom kept,
you know, just coaching my stepson to come to her, not to us,
so I was like, you know, getting upset,
but I'm like, I'm not gonna make a scene, we at the funeral,
I'm not gonna make a scene, and so we sitting there, and he was like, he didn't say anything,

(06:08):
but she stood at the top of the hill,
and she looked down, and she just kept staring hearing
at my husband the whole time I guess wanting him to get up
make a scene but he didn't do that and then
she was like after where she called me she
was like he didn't interact with his son he didn't close his son I said you
don't know the situation because you weren't down there with the family you

(06:31):
don't know what took place what energy was there I said but he sat by me and
I gave him the look like it's gonna be okay and she's like well I'm protecting
my son he's He's not going to see him anymore.
And that's where that all started. Well, we haven't seen him in so long. He was eight.
He was eight, so she was, like, protecting her son. I'm like, seriously?

(06:51):
We've never been inconsistent with pickups. You know, when my husband,
because he does contract work,
every now and then, you know, the child support wouldn't be here,
but she was kind of bringing that forth, like, oh, well, he skipped a payment,
so, no, y'all can't see him. You know, stuff like that.
I was like, girl, a child doesn't care how much it costs to take care of them.

(07:12):
All they want is the quality time. And what you're allowing him to do is miss
out on the experience with his father and the quality of time.
And it just upset me. And so I got a rage, you know, and that's when I,
before my grandmother passed, she passed during COVID too.
And she was like, and she can see the hurt because she always asked about my stepson.
And she told me, help your husband see his son.

(07:38):
And that's when I contacted you. Because I followed you for a year before I
reached out to you last year about taking on our case.
So what happened with your case?
So my husband was getting upset about the time frame it takes to get us to court.

(07:58):
And so I guess he came to your office and he, I don't know, he had a meltdown.
And then you called me. He was like, I'm not going to take the case.
And I was like, okay, I was hurt by, I was like, we'll figure out something.
And then she called me at work. Baby mom called me at work.
It's like, hey, I'm.
I need the phone number to my baby's father. Like, girl, you should have that.

(08:22):
This is while this all was pending? Correct. Okay, she called.
So she called, and I don't know if she had her attorney on the phone or not.
I don't know. But anyway, she called.
And so he kept a cool head talking to her. And she's like, I ain't never denied
you from seeing your son.
And he said, okay, well, if that's the case, let me get him this weekend.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And then she went off.

(08:45):
And that was it. And that's the last he heard from her? That was the last he
heard from her. And that was last summer.
Did the court not intervene? The court, the communication with the court was null and void. Nothing.
What county was this? Clayton? Clayton. Oh, yeah. Nothing.
No follow-ups, no paperwork. Yeah.

(09:06):
So is the case still open then? I think it's closed. We haven't heard anything. What?
You just haven't heard anything or it's closed? We haven't heard anything at all.
No letters no nothing have you checked on it no i would check on it i would
look at the docket and see what's going on and i would ask for you just need
to get in court you need to get in court because actually it's not okay right

(09:30):
um it's not okay at all has she filed anything she has not,
she has not she never even responded no after i think her attorney dropped the
case as well So that was it for her.
And then she was like, she was going, she was, we were stressing her out.
She needed to go to counseling, stuff like that.
Not stressing her out. And what she holding that baby hostage.

(09:54):
Wow. Yeah. That's, that's the part I don't get. Like, why are you denying that
relationship? Have you asked her?
She's just said, I need to be looking at my husband for the issues.
So what's the. Hey everyone.
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let's get back to the episode.
Now, you tell me. Don't try, because this is a stepmom over here.
Yeah, I'm a stepmom, and I go hard. No, both of y'all. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I am. You're a stepmom, too.
Yeah. And you know what? I think stepmom don't get the credit they deserve.

(11:45):
Why y'all feel like that? Because we have to pick up the slack and tweet and
keep the peace. It's so hard to.
Up the set and the parents are not trying
to communicate right like who's going
to think about the child and it's normally us we're the
ones they got when they're arguing and trying not to see the kid and stuff like

(12:10):
that and you know we're just literally in the middle of like all right what
can i do for this baby right so that's assuming that the parents don't get along
does anybody in here have a is anybody a stepmom where the parents do get along You are.
Yeah. My husband and my stepson's mother get along.
They're not like best friends. Right. But, you know, they can communicate for

(12:32):
the purposes of, you know, doing things for my stepson. So we don't have the issue if she can't.
She doesn't let him see us because he lives with us. Oh, see,
dad got primary. That's different.
Dad got primary. In the beginning, I wasn't there. I'm not there. Yeah.
But it has, that even has its own challenges too, though. Mm-hmm. So. I imagine so. Yeah.

(12:53):
I'm ready to start. It's a better relationship when they get with you. Oh, for sure.
I feel like the pressure is off the mom because now that we have it,
she's like, now you can see how difficult this is.
It's like, oh, you know, you just need a break. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Okay. So what's your relationship like directly with wife?
Do you still try to contact her?

(13:13):
I reached out to her about a month ago.
Okay, how did that go? Just to test the water to see if she was going to write
back. She never responded.
I kind of want to pull up on her. Y'all want to do the family?
What if I ring the doorbell?
Check, check. Why we going straight to pulling up? Why we going straight to pulling up?
Check, check. Check to see what's happening first. You know,

(13:35):
people know, like, Clayton County, they don't let you sit there forever.
Forever and ever. And that's crazy. I don't think it's dismissed.
Because before, when we did the legitimization before, she thinking this is
all recent, but we did it.
And 2018, well, we filed on our own. And because she moved around a lot,
you know, when they served the papers, she wasn't at the address.

(13:57):
And you know how it was, trying to just pinpoint her to the address to get the paperwork sent to her.
So I think she stayed on that borderline.
So they was like, oh, I said, well, can't y'all just send it to the other county
to deliver? And they don't do that.
So I'm like, okay, let's start. This go around, let's do an attorney.
And that's what we decided.

(14:18):
Gotta serve I think that case is just sitting there open probably you have to
file that it's just sitting there you do it to find trial yeah that's where
you need to get a hearing I go up there sometimes there's been times I had to
go up there to Clayton County,
but if both sides don't agree that it's ready then sometimes they'll still drag
it out yeah I don't walk up there before like hey excuse me I know y'all busy,

(14:43):
I need you to put this on calendar because it's Clayton County and bless their heart.
So what would you like to see happen here? I kind of want to,
this is our first, our first, the actual fatherhood chronicles I was looking for.
Right. Which makes me want to grab the cameras, go knock on her door and be
like, ma'am, why can't we see this baby?

(15:06):
Exactly. Your vehicle's warped. Call it right now. I would love,
call it right now. She would be mad. So?
She would be mad. That is the least of my words. We mad, shit, I'm mad.
We all mad. Yeah, so it's, I don't know, like, I pray that some healing comes
for her, because I think she just... I mean, we got to do something.

(15:28):
I mean, prayer is doing something. I mean, I digress.
But we also, prayer without, what is it, faith without words is dead.
We need to pull up on her. Well, I mean, you've already started the beginning
steps, which is filing for the animation and all that. So...
And the court will probably be the best. But for show purposes,
we need to pull up on her. I think at least a phone call.

(15:51):
Right. At least a phone call. Man, I just, and it doesn't have to be aggressive.
I think part two of this should. It's safe because we, like.
Huh? I think dad needs to do that. You think so? Yeah. Why? She's the liaison.
See, that's the whole issue. Let's talk about it. That's the problem. Yeah.
Because when I was representing them, we had a clear-cut plan.

(16:11):
What it boiled down to was I don't mind doing anything but I'm not going through
your wife to do it so I come to my client and I'm like listen all you got to
do is talk to her yourself and what did he say,
he tried to talk to her and I went on the conversation because I allowed him
to try to have that conversation and it just went left field with her because he tried to remain calm,

(16:36):
when I spoke to him about talking to
her he was he was completely opposed to it
he's like i'm not gonna do it and i'm like you can't
like never talk to her right that it
doesn't work that way you have to you have to talk to her
at some point he's like i'm not even gonna put myself in this situation and
it's because their relationship is so toxic yes and i think even if i brought

(16:59):
even if part twos and threes if i brought her on here and then turned around
and brought him i think that would still be the issue so is he At this point,
is he willing to talk to her?
I don't know. Because we have that conversation and it gets heated.
He's very passionate about it. I'm like, just let her say whatever she got to

(17:20):
say. That means you can see your kid.
Just let her say the goodness. That's where I was at with it. Who cares?
We got a goal here. You know what I mean? Right. And so that's why I was like,
just let her say whatever. He's like, no.
I'm like, you got to let her say whatever. Because I think she wants closure to her relationship.
She's not focusing on the child because every time I'm bringing up the child,

(17:42):
she wants to regenerate back to the relationship.
Like we have the same baby. After seven years? Nine years? Nine years.
She don't have no new man? She has a new man. She has a new baby.
What's the problem? I don't know. I don't know.
I want to call her, y'all. It don't have to be aggressive or nothing.
I'm talking to the producers, y'all.

(18:05):
They back there shaking their head. what you think I'ma do I'm I just wanna
say hey I mean you're no longer her attorney yeah right no I'm just asking yeah
well his it would've been his attorney right but if he decided if he could contract
you back would that be an issue,
No, because she doesn't have an attorney. She don't have an attorney. Yeah, but you're right.

(18:28):
If the mom had an attorney, it would be a problem. The fact that she doesn't
means that I could reach out.
And it wouldn't even be like, yeah, bitch, why the fuck? You know,
it would be... I think we should bring him in for part two.
Is he comfortable talking? He is. And he was like, if it was on a weekend,
he would have came. You know, so yeah.

(18:49):
Because maybe this is our first chance to just get these folks back together.
I think I could pull it off.
I mean, you got your case pending, but you also got me to talk and figure it out.
Right. And I was just like, I don't know. I just, at the end of the day,
I'm rooting for my stepson. Yes. At the end of the day.
Sometimes I feel like just chalk it up and let her say whatever.

(19:12):
She got to get off her chest.
And maybe that's the closure she needs for a relationship.
But, like, I don't understand how you haven't healed yourself.
So that's why, like, that's me personally. I don't move into a relationship
unless I haven't been healed.
I take that necessary time. And I don't think she ever did.
She was hoping that this relationship wouldn't be successful.
And now that this relationship is successful, she's unhappy.

(19:37):
And every time she sees me, she gets spiteful. You know what I'm saying?
When you got with him, were they still together? No.
Can I ask a question? so what i mean
you may have already answered this but you guys were able
to sort of exchange do like parenting time exchanges
without any drama initially correct communicate with

(19:57):
that right and what what do you think was like
the real trigger that just i she says i think standing up on i'm sorry standing
up on that damn hill when you just talked about what happened and watching y'all
interact as a family something clicked and she was like fuck this because she
still had access to my husband's family.

(20:19):
So she would go and like, oh, I took him over there. And I even asked my mother
a lot, like, why don't y'all set boundaries?
If y'all know that their relationship was toxic, y'all viewed it,
y'all know what happened.
Why don't you say, hey, we'll go pick him up or hey, drop him off and we'll
drop him back off. Yeah, all that hanging out and... Right.
And fellowshiping with her. Trying to be family. Uh-huh.

(20:41):
That's the problem. And that's the issue that he has. So he's kind of removed
himself too away from the family. Come on now. That's the situation.
No, they're not. It's making it worse. It makes it worse.
Yeah. So does she still allow your stepson to see that side of the family outside of that?
Oh, absolutely. You got it. I know you long. They even put, they even post him

(21:03):
to Facebook and social media so my husband can see that they have him sometimes.
Yeah, she definitely rubs it in his face. Why do you not show up over there when they got him?
Because we don't know until they post pictures later. So they don't even reach
out and say, hey, I got your baby.
No. This is his family. No. And when we say his family, who are we talking?

(21:23):
Aunts. Mom. His mom. Don't call and say, hey, I got your baby over here you
ain't seen in three years.
No. What's their relationship?
It's trash. If you ask me. Because why wouldn't you call me? How you got my baby?
And you know I've been fighting to see my baby. Probably because they know that
if they do that. Then they won't be able to see her anymore.

(21:45):
The sun over here. I don't give a damn.
Grandma cares. Grandma cares. Aunt cares. I mean, I'm just saying,
Grandma's like, look, I get to see my grandbaby. I don't know what y'all got going on.
But I get to see. I'm just saying that's what I'm seeing. That's not good.
Well, no, that's not. But that's not the case for her.
Because I'll even make it recent. He just graduated from fifth grade.
And I kind of asked my mother-in-law. I said, hey, you know,

(22:06):
because I want to try to reach out to her. Because, like, this is his fifth
grade graduation. I wanted to be there.
And so I asked my mother-in-law, I said, do you know the dates of the graduation?
Oh, I don't know. I don't know when the graduation is. I don't know when the graduation is.
And I said, okay, well, let me know. And she's like, why don't you reach out
to her? So I sent her a message to see if she would write back.

(22:27):
She didn't respond back.
And so it was getting closer to school's letting out. So let me ask her one
more time. I said, when's the graduation?
She's like, I don't know. Well, lo and behold, she came up here for the graduation
and the pictures and I saw them on Facebook and then we was heated.
Because she knew. She knew. She's like, well, I just didn't want it to be any

(22:49):
kind of issue. Like, I'm grown. I don't have time to put my hands on anybody.
If I have an issue with you and the boss a lot, we're going to court.
I would feel so betrayed by my mom. And I think that's how my husband feels.
Because what? He was mad. He was mad. He's like, my wife asked you when the
graduation was. You lied to her.
She could have just said, you know. I don't want to be a part of this.

(23:13):
She didn't say that at all.
She was like, I just didn't want any problems.
That is the problem. You're making it the problem. Nobody has set boundaries. That's the problem.
And then y'all flashing in his face. On top of that. On top of that.
And then you wonder why he doesn't come around the business.
Right. I always felt like if you're not helping the solution, then what?

(23:36):
The problem. Yeah, the problem. Every time. That is so sad.
I know he just love you to pieces. You are his right hand. You're the apple of his eye, girl.
Damn. That's why you can see that frustration when he came to you.
Oh, I knew he was frustrated. Yeah. But you still got to listen.
And I tell clients all the time, it's two ways to get fired by me.

(23:58):
And one of them is not paying a bill because we don't work for free.
And the second one is not listening to strategy because what happens is it doesn't
turn out like you wanted it to. And then you look at me like, oh, I hired you.
Yeah, you didn't do nothing I told you to do because we'll be in a different space.
And I'm not here to, you know, I can't force anything on anyone.

(24:19):
If you're standing on your business saying, this is what I will and won't do, that's fine for you.
But if it doesn't work with what you asked me to do, there's nothing I can really do.
We probably need to talk to her husband. I would like to get her husband's side.
And I still want to reach out to her.
I do. I just want to be like, hey, we're going to run these episodes and you

(24:42):
could tell your side of the story or not.
But they're going out anyway.
Yeah, they got a toxic, a volatile relationship. Yeah, very much so.
So what do y'all, the audience, what do y'all think we should do?
I kind of want to pull up on mom in a very humble and respectful way and just

(25:03):
say, hey, what's going on here?
Why can't this man see this baby? Honestly, what's the real truth?
And she's like, who the fuck is this bitch on Carver Falls?
I'm just, I want to see, let's see if we can, I would love to be able to get
these folks back together,
She's in a relationship. She's in a relationship with a baby. Yeah. Yeah.

(25:26):
No, but I'm going to hook the mom. Come on. I ain't no matchmaker.
I'm the baby mama slayer.
Her dad. You know what's supposed to be funny, dad.
How do you date a woman who you know is not, you know, allowing the father of
her child to eat? Mm-hmm.
But I'm sure she makes it. What happens if we're not together?

(25:48):
Right. But you know what? I believe she probably paints the picture that he
doesn't want to have any kind of involved.
Because people are like. Because he doesn't want to have to talk to her.
So how do you feel, honestly, about him not wanting to talk to her?
What's your stance on that?
And we know you're going to support your husband, obviously.
I do, but we fight against that. That's my issue, too.

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Because, like I said, I don't get into relationships unless I healed.
Like, he was out of a relationship for six months or whatever.
Which to me not i mean that's the
minimum that i give people but if you
had to deal with that kind of stuff before probably because
it's a long time and i told him like i don't deal with drama like i don't argue

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with her like she knew in the beginning like i don't argue with you that's for
your baby daddy to do not me so she'll know if i back up off calling her she
already know she made me mad so she already knew how to reel that back in let's
get on the same page because Because, like I said, I don't have an issue with her.
We can be in the same room. We can kick it. We can hang out.
Hang out? Y'all don't hang out? Yeah, we don't do the baby birthday parties, all that.

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Like I'm saying, but every time I'm picking him up, it's not the face you want
to see right now. Because, like, darn, y'all still married?
So if it would cure it all for him to just go over there and pick the baby up
himself, what's stopping him from doing that?
She would want to get in his face and start an argument. And then it would be
a little stuffy. I'd take an argument to see my baby.

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No, but she would want to get into a physical, wanted to get physical so she
can get. What if he took the police woman?
Now, that would be smart. It's like police.
It's unfortunate, but people have to have police escorts to do custody exchanges
all the time. Yeah, I get it.
But if that'll solve it. So we need a solution, y'all.
If I can get her to say he can see this baby if he do it himself.

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If I could convince him to say, listen, shit, bring everybody.
Bring Dietrich. Bring your wife. You know what I'm saying?
Bring the police with you. You're not by yourself, but you yourself going to have to go.
You think you'll go forward. That man, let me tell you something. I don't met this man.
When he say no, he meant no. Okay? And he be meaning it. But what you think?

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What if we all try to, I want to try to fix it. I think it will work with the
police. I want to fix this. She'll be upset because she'll feel like it's being embarrassing.
Because she was like, well, I don't want to go to court. I'm like,
okay, that's why I'm here to mediate where we don't have to go to court.
You know, when I first met with her, I printed my daughter's calendar,
his calendar for school. to try to co-parent and put those dates down so we

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can, you know, do whatever we need to do with visitations.
But she didn't really want to talk about visitations. She wanted to talk about the past relationship.
And I let her talk for an hour and a half about her and my egg. Yeah.
She needs some therapy. That's right. All right, y'all. Let me know what y'all
want to do. Audience, what y'all think?
You done heard it. What should we do from here? I don't want to be messy.

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It's probably going to be a little messy anyway just because of the situation.
I'm not afraid of mess, but I don't try to create it.
But if we could, y'all are smart, come up with a solution to how to get this baby back to dad.
And all of these people are right around the corner. We could all just pull
up and try to make it happen. So I'm going to think it over.

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And I'd like to know what you guys think. So put it in the comments.
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