August 28, 2025 • 51 mins
What does it take to turn personal struggle into a calling that changes lives? Meet Evelyn Moon, an immigrant who came to the U.S. at 14, learned English from scratch, and went on to become a leading immigration attorney.
In this episode, Evelyn opens up about her journey as a mom of two boys, her family’s move from Korea, and how her experiences fuel her passion for helping others achieve the American dream. From business immigration to family cases, Evelyn explains why it’s about more than paperwork—it’s about opening doors of opportunity.
What you’ll learn:
- Evelyn’s personal journey immigrating from Korea as a teenager.
- The challenges—and funny moments—of raising two young boys.
- Why she’s passionate about business and investment immigration.
- How immigration creates U.S. jobs and opportunities most people don’t realize.
- The real human side of immigration law and why it matters.
Why watch?
- Get inspired by Evelyn’s personal story of resilience.
- Learn the truth about immigration law from someone who lives it daily.
- Understand how legal immigration strengthens families, businesses, and the economy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody. Welcome to my show. You've heard
(00:02):
me before. Call it
Speaker 2 (00:03):
a
Speaker 1 (00:04):
podcast. It's really just an excuse to sit down with
some of my friends and put itout there for people to really
just kinda have some fun with itand and maybe learn something.
The the people that I have on myshow are friends first, and
they're total experts, totalpros. It's it's not like a
referral I'm trying to make.It's an introduction.
(00:25):
And today, man, I'm reallyexcited because I'm sitting down
with someone who I just have somuch respect for. Her name is
Evelyn Moon. She's an incrediblemom. She's an incredible friend,
and she's a powerful immigrationattorney. And I can't wait for
you to learn a little bit moreabout her.
So let me tell you a quickstory. Thanks for coming in
(00:49):
today. You got your typical, youknow, suit on because you always
dress so well, and and and I Iadmire that about you. Thanks
for coming on and taking a hotseat, I caught a little bit,
where we get to talk about beinga mom and an immigration
attorney and stuff like that. Sothanks for carving out some time
you're busy to sit down with metoday.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thank you so much for having me, Chris. It's an honor.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah. Thank you. Let's just jump right into
what's really important. You'rethe mom of two boys. Yes.
Now one of I'm the youngest offive, four boys and a girl. One
of the things I love, I get acouple reels, some Facebook,
some Instagram. Anythingmarriage related is funny for
me. Mhmm. Sports related stuff.
(01:32):
And somehow I get a bunch ofreels on crazy kids. Yeah. And
my favorite reels these days arethe pictures of a mom with,
like, a daughter, and thedaughter's kinda sitting there
whether she's coloring orplaying or and then there's the
next picture of the three boysthat are beating each each other
up with baseball bats andjumping off the couch and
pillows. Now I live that life,by
Speaker 2 (01:52):
the way. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You're a mom of two young boys. How much fun is it
watching them do whatever it isthat they do on a crazy level
that just makes you think, oh mygosh, like, are they gonna make
it? Like, how does this work?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah. I mean, it's really fun to be a mom of two
boys. Yeah. My boys are sevenand three years old. He's
actually turning three years oldthis month, end of this month.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And, you know, they have four years of age gap.
Right? So I thought, you know,they wouldn't really get along
together, right, because of theage gap?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Sure. Because of the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. The age difference. But, man, they
fight, they yell, but they hangout together and everything. But
it's a constant battle for sure.Yeah.
Lots of noise, lots of breakingnoises. Right? Yes. Lots of
screaming and yelling andcrying, but it's really fun to
be a mom of two boys. Yeah.
I really treasure this moment. Ialmost want to kind of freeze
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this time Yeah. Because it's soprecious and I know that it'll
it won't last forever. Yeah. Itgoes fast.
Mhmm. It goes by really fast. Ican already tell, right, how
fast it goes by. We're justtalking about it. Right?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I really want to freeze this moment. I really
enjoy being a mom.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh my gosh. I I love hearing that. Some of these
questions are personal. They'renot that personal. Like, I'm not
gonna ask you for your SocialSecurity number or something
like that.
Before I ask you a question,siblings, do you have your own
siblings? Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I have one sister and one younger brother. Yeah. One
younger sister, one youngerbrother.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And how close were you in age to your sister?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
One year. She's my younger sister and then seven
years younger than me, mybrother.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So he's my sister fight?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh my gosh. A lot. We fought a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
Over clothes, you know, somesome little stupid things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No. But that's that's what sisters do
Speaker 2 (03:39):
and brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And and the reason I ask that is I've been married
thirty years. My my wife's anonly child. Oh, okay. Was born
and raised by this my myfather-in-law was this
incredible man. He's no longerhere.
Italian Catholic, very, like,you know, head down when he eats
and stuff like that. Yeah. AndI'm I come from five. And so
when we and I have three kids.Oh, yes.
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Sometimes when my kids wereyounger Yeah. For my wife, it
was like the dinner table wasweird for her Mhmm. Because the
kids would be kids. When thekids would fight, my wife would
be like, oh my gosh. Like andfor me, I could sit back with
normalcy and say, like, yeah.
If they're not fighting, I'mworried about them. Right. And
and to bring it full circle,
Speaker 2 (04:21):
if I
Speaker 1 (04:21):
can just tell you, I'm gonna predict the future
right now for you. I'm theyoungest. Two of my three older
brothers, they beat me up allthe time. Mhmm. They would
target me all the time.
They would do things to me allthe time as a younger brother.
Mhmm. But at the first sign oftrouble, they were the first
ones in front of theneighborhood bullies, or they
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were the first ones to protectme and defend me. Right. And so
I can already tell you as theyfight and as they scream and
probably break a few things
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
The good news is your older younger son no matter what
happens, and that's the beautyof the fight and the Mhmm. And
all that stuff. And by the timeyour three year old probably
gets old enough to beat up hisolder brother, he'll be too old.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
He won't want you anymore. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Because people say, Chris, you were the youngest.
They beat you up. Did you everwanna beat them up? Well, by the
time I was big enough to do itYeah. I was 15 or 16.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right. I didn't wanna do
Speaker 1 (05:17):
that anymore. So I'm just preparing you. Good things
are set to come. A little bitmore fights are coming and some
stuff like What do do the boyslike to do for fun? Do they play
sports?
Do they play the violin?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So for now, my older son, Liam, he plays baseball. He
used to play ice hockey, but hewants to focus on baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And he's also trying for the flag football. Okay.
Yeah. So he just started playingflag
Speaker 1 (05:42):
football. That. Yeah. Who who's his favorite baseball
player? Does he have one?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, hey. Sure. Of course. Did
Speaker 1 (05:49):
was he old enough to watch him when he was with the
angels before he got traded tothe? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think yeah. No. He was too young at the
time. Yeah. But he startedplaying baseball about two years
ago.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And his number is 17 because of that. Yeah. You know?
He's in the my the littleleague. Yeah.
So, yeah, he always picks 17because of
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I know you're a Dodger fan. Mhmm. Was that
before Ohtani came, or have youalways been a Dodger fan?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've always been a Dodgers fan. Yeah. Because,
know, there were a couple ofvery couple of very famous
Korean baseball players,including Chanwu Park Chanwu
Park. So, yeah, I've been a andthen I went to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So I've been a Dodgers fan for a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
One of the things I love about this podcast is
really what it is. I learnedsomething about people I've
known for a long time, and Ijust that's one the things I
love about it. Like, I my lastinterview was someone we know,
Chris King. I've known him forseven years. I learned something
about him in our short littleconversation I didn't know.
So it's one of the things I loveabout it. But there's something
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that I've never asked you about.Born and raised here or in
Korea?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I was born and raised in Korea Okay. Until high
school.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Until high school.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah. So I was an immigrant myself.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. And we're gonna talk about that. Okay.
What whole family came here.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And how old were you?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was 14.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay. So let's talk for a couple of minute. I like
the personal more than thebusiness. Yeah. How was that?
Because I'm native. I was bornhere. Mhmm. How was that coming
literally? Like, I'm I'm sureyou read and heard and saw.
But how how was that transitionfor a 14 year old girl,
especially?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah. Right? Going through
Speaker 1 (07:29):
a lot at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Exactly. So I came here when I was 14. Yeah. My dad
was an executive of the globalcompany in South Korea. It was
called SK Communications.
Telecommunications is kinda likeone of those big companies like
Samsung, Hyundai, Kia.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And he was an executive, and he was sort of
transferred over to The USbranch office
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
As an expat. Right? So we, as a derivative family
members, were able to immigrateto The US together with him. At
first, it was a visa, you know,work visa, and then we
transitioned into the greencard. Right?
So that's how we immigrated.Yeah. So I was only 14. You
know, I can still vividlyremember the first day of
school. Yeah.
You know, everybody was watchinglooking at me as if I'm some
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kind of stranger. Yeah. Right?And I couldn't really speak
English well. My English wasbroken.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Learned a little bit, but more broken. Very broken.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So I had to start learning how to speak English. I
was in ESL class. Right? And,you know, cultural shock Yeah.
This barrier and, you know, andwhen you're 14, you're going to
that teenage stage.
Right? Teenage mode.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Was gonna say you have enough going on
Speaker 2 (08:36):
with that. Emotional roller coaster. Right? So it was
a lot for me to take on, know,learning a language, you know,
struggling with culturaldifference Changes. Changes,
environment.
Food. Food. Yes. Of course.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For someone who's never immigrated.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's so funny how you you you, you know, caught that.
The first thing that I triedfrom Costco was the pizza,
Costco pizza. Oh, okay. I had tothrow it away because it was so
salty. Yeah.
So much Oh my gosh. It tasteslike salt. Yeah. Right? But now
I love Costco Pizza.
I cannot live without it. I loveI
Speaker 1 (09:08):
love that. So let's let's
Speaker 2 (09:09):
stay on
Speaker 1 (09:09):
the food topic for just a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I haven't been to Korea. I'm going to go to Korea.
My wife and I both wanna go.What's the biggest difference?
You know, I wanna presumethere's they make Korean food in
America, but it's probablyAmericanized Korean food.
Is there places where you can gothat's the Korean food that
maybe, like, your mom used tomake or a grandparent or
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something like that? Can youfind those spots that's really
more authentic?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
There's so many. There are too many, so I have to
give you the list of all theplaces that you can visit. Some
fusion, but very authentic, veryKorean traditional food. So and
depending depending on what youwant to try Yeah. Like, whether
it's seafood or, you know, someauthentic Korean food.
Like, there's so many differenttypes of
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah. I love that. What about the boys? Are they
finicky eaters? Like, do theywant the chicken nuggets and the
Costco pizza, or will they havesome of the authentic Korean
food?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
They're very picky eaters, unfortunately. So my
sons, they wouldn't touch, like,kimchi or some very, you know,
strong flavored Korean food,unfortunately. But I'm trying to
take them to Korea. Yeah. So Ionly took my older son when he
was only two.
So he doesn't really rememberanything. Yeah. And my second
son never has never been toKorea. So I cannot wait until I
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take them and, you know, makethem try all these different
types of food. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I can't wait to spend more time with you when my wife
and I know we're going to PlanetMhmm. Because I'm gonna buy you
dinner or something. I'm gonnamake you sit with me for two
hours to tell us all the dos anddon'ts about it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You don't have to buy me anything, but I cannot wait
to share with you all the list.I I actually went to Korea last
April for a conference. Okay. SoI know all the hot places, you
know, the trendy ones, so I'llshare with you.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
One of my closest friends for thirty five years is
Korean, and same thing I'vetold. His name is Young Choi.
And same thing I said, man, Ican't wait to pick your brain
Yeah. Just to make sure whatevertime I have there. Mhmm.
Okay. So let's let's let's talkabout you. Okay. Because I know
I know how good you are in yourjob without you saying how good
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of an immigration attorney youare because in the group we met,
the networking group we'vebecome friends in Mhmm. You
know, when people stand up andsay great things about you, you
don't ever need to say anythinggreat about yourself.
So I know you're not gonna sayanything great about yourself.
I'm I'm gonna do that for you.The amount of people who talk
about your knowledge andexpertise and success and
(11:40):
probably more importantly, yourpassion
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
About being an immigration attorney, other
people say how great you are.And I love that when people talk
about you, they use the word,you're an expert. You're really
talented. But the word I lovethat they say most is about how
passionate you are. Right?
So very few of us really get tobe, I'm in the mortgage
business. How passionate can yoube about real estate finance? I
(12:03):
like it. Mhmm. I'm passionateabout it.
Mhmm. Love how passionate youare about being an immigration
attorney. Mhmm. Tough question.Do you think part of that just
resonated because you're animmigrant?
I don't wanna trivialize it, butdo you think part of that is
really the genesis of one of thereasons I am so passionate is
because my family immigratedhere. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
100%. 100%. I can totally relate what my clients
are going through because eventhough I was a minor child and I
didn't really personally gothrough that immigration process
myself, it was actually my dad.Right? But I actually witnessed
it
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And observed. And, actually, we went to the
interview altogether as afamily, and I experienced it,
how intense it was. Right? Wehad to get in a long line in
front of the ImmigrationBuilding. It was 06:00 in the
morning.
I can still remember coming outof the interview, and we're just
having donuts after that. Yeah.And my my dad was so relieved
that we passed the interview. SoI've experienced all that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do do you find out right away? Like, once you're
done with the interview?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't, depending
on the officer.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay. Got it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I I really clearly remember how important it was to
have the legal status in The USin order to continue with your
life.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And my dad, that moment when he was very
relieved. Right? So when itcomes to immigration, I take it
very personally. Right?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Sounds like it. Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's not it's not one of those paperwork or
applications that I prepare and,you know, try to file. It is
more of I can feel how personalit is for for my client and his
or her family members too. Yeah.Right? Because I actually you
know, whichever case that Ihandle, I help somebody, you
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know, I open the door ofopportunities to someone.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And that someone or the family can achieve their
American dream. Right? Withoutthat door of opportunity,
there's not there's no Americandream. Right? So it is very
rewarding experience.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh my gosh. I love like, your eyes light up when
you talk about the Americandream. Mhmm. I'm Native
American. I don't always saypolitically correct things.
I'm enamored by people fromforeign countries Mhmm. Whether
it's your country, Europeans,Middle East. I have so many
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friends from differentethnicities.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And one of the things I admire about people that are
not native Americans, I feellike people from other countries
have a little more passion forfamily, passion for helping
people. I'm not saying it's aperfect science, and and there's
a ton of native people from herethat are wonderfully kind,
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loving, passionate
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right. Of course. Of course.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But I have found a little bit more of a passion
level from people that are notborn and raised here. One of the
things I I try not to get toocynical at 58 years old.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But what I find myself doing sometimes is
comparing people like me topeople from other countries and
say we should be more likesomeone who immigrated from
Korea Mhmm. Who who who talksabout the American dream.
Because as Americans, I shouldbe talking as passionately about
the American dream as youshould. Mhmm. Because I have it.
(15:25):
I've lived it. I was born withit. And somehow I find that we,
not you, Native Americans, we'renot appreciating this as much as
we should, but it's takingpeople like you to say, gosh. I
wanna help someone achieve theAmerican dream. And I find your
passion, and you light up whenyou talk about that.
Yeah. And one of the reasons Ithink you're so successful,
(15:48):
which I know you're not gonnasay, there's so much you hear
about immigration attorneys whojust file the paperwork, like
what you just kinda referenced,But that's not you. Like, you
don't wanna just file thepaperwork for someone. Right?
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It
Speaker 1 (16:01):
sounds like you if you're gonna take it on, like,
you're really invested in
Speaker 2 (16:06):
it. Mhmm. Is that
Speaker 1 (16:06):
is that a fair statement?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yes. I when I take first of all, I don't take cases
from anyone. Right? I have tofeel that confidence. You know,
at least I I have thisconfidence that the case is
approval, of course.
Right? More than 50% of approvalapproval chance. Yeah. But also,
have to be able to build thatconfidence and and be able to,
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you know, support my clientsthroughout the whole process.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right? A lengthy process.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right? It is a lengthy process. In order to do
that, I have to be confident inthe case. Right? Yeah.
Of course. So once I take thecase from my client, I don't let
it fail. Yeah. It's like Yeah. AIt's mine.
Yeah. So even if it's even ifit's whether it's collecting
information from my clients ordrafting letters on behalf of my
client
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I just put my heart and soul into it. Right? Every
single letter that that I draftfor my client, I don't take it
just lightly. You know what Imean? Even if it's just
description of the company oreven if it's just, you know, job
description or, you know,someone's qualifications.
Right? I take it very, veryseriously and personally.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah. I love that. Now as you again, I'm a mortgage
broker. I only know aboutimmigration, what I see that I
can fact check, and I and I havemy own beliefs. And I'm and I'm
gonna share my beliefs with youbecause then I wanna ask you
some questions about it.
I am 100 for legal immigration.I say bring everybody that we
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can, and I mean that because Ibelieve that our country at its
core has the ability to embraceit, to welcome it, to allow it
to become integrated into thefunctioning system of the
economy and jobs and health careand and all those things. I'm a
massive fan of it. Okay. I don'tnecessarily agree with some of
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the recent past politicaldecisions that have been made
that, you know, come in, we'llfigure it out later, some of the
costs and things like that.
And it's just a personalopinion.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I say it all the time. I'm a massive immigration
fan. I want as many people tocome to this country as they
can. I would like it to be donedifferently. Now listen.
Some people might like me to domy job differently.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. Of course.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I just think it's been done poorly. And and
whether the new administrationchanges are effective or not, we
don't know. Right? We'll justhave to wait and see. But Mhmm.
To bring that full circle
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
There's two types of immigration to a certain degree.
I know that someone may wannaimmigrate from a country and
come to The US and bring theirfamily. Mhmm. And I know there's
businesses Right. Similar toyour dad's situation.
Yes. I wanna talk about that fora couple minutes. You're very
well versed in that. Mhmm. Partof that come from that's how you
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guys
Speaker 2 (18:54):
came. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And so you believe in, boy, if I can help a
corporation bring an executiveover, I also get to bring six
people over, right, to a certaindegree. Is that is that kind of
one of the reasons you'repassionate about the corporate
side of it? We're helping peoplemigrate to The US within their
business and their company andall that stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. So I primarily focus on business and investment
immigration
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As well as family immigration, but my passion is
in business and investmentimmigration. Yeah. What does
that mean? Right? So I help TheUS companies when they can't
find the four the actual UStalent, talented employees from
the pool of applicants in TheUS, right, for their very
critical project.
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Right? Yeah. Then what do whatdo they do? Right? They have to
hire foreign talents.
Right? Yeah. So I get to helpthem hire foreign talents when
they can't find the qualified USworkers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So there is a lot of process that you have to go
through depending on the type ofvisas and green card options.
Sure. But it's a very stringentprocess that all these US
companies have to go through toprove and justify the need for
the foreign national employeesto bring them. Right? So I get
to help them, right, go throughthe process and hire foreign
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talents who can work on thesevery critical projects Yeah.
That can generate a lot of USjobs, right, because there's all
these other impacts, right
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Because of that one big project. Yeah. Right? If the
foreign national talentednational can execute the
project, right, and that in andof itself that project in and of
itself can create other US jobs
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We're doing such a great work. Right?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I love that, you know, the short question I sent
to you. I love no. No. I meanit. Like, I really wanna I
affirm to you.
I really love one of the thingsyou said because I don't think
it's lip service from you. Andand and one of the things you
said is Mhmm. That you lovebringing people here to bring
them here, but you also lovethat it helps create more US
(20:58):
jobs.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's my that's my sole focus Yeah. When it comes
to business immigration. Yeah.That's the best part that I love
about.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you think that do you think that enough people not
Evelyn Moon, but do you thinkpeople would look deep enough at
an immigration attorney? Andinstead of just thinking
immigration, do you think peopleare giving you and and anyone
like you a fair shake to say,wait a second. They are
(21:27):
passionate to bring people here,but they're doing it because
they like the bigger picture ofmore US jobs. Mhmm. I don't
think people are gonna givesomeone like you enough credit
for that.
I think there's gonna be somepeople in the political party
that might be like, oh, shewants more immigration. Yeah. Do
you really come from dual roleof, yeah, you'd love to help
people come to this greatcountry, but you also believe
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that it could then create morejobs for the people that are
here?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Mhmm. Because a lot of people forget about what kind
of other impact that one verycritical project Yeah. That US
companies are executing canbring. Yeah. Right?
And if that one person happensto be that foreign national
talent very talented foreignnational who has very
specialized skills and knowledgeYeah. And who can do this job.
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Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Why
Speaker 2 (22:15):
not? Why not? And if that because of that project
success after the successfulcompletion of the project Yeah.
If we can hire so many other USworkers Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And there's a specific green card option that
even specifically focus ongeneration generating jobs
through the foreign investmentcalled EB five. Okay. So there
is an option where foreigninvestors, right, can make an
investment into The US project,like hotel, mixed use condo
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Hospital projects. Right? But one requirement one
critical requirement is thatthat project has to create 10 US
full time jobs per foreigninvestors foreign investor. So
there is an option where that isactually a mandatory. The whole
point of EB five is to create USjobs and boost The US economy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I I
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think, like like, gosh. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna
get political. Too many peopledon't fact check. Mhmm. Too many
people hear a name, and theyjust label it.
Right? EB five. Mhmm. Let megive you just ask you an
example. Someone from China has$10,000,000, and they wanna buy
(23:32):
a hotel Mhmm.
In Kentucky. Mhmm. They canbring in their 10,000,000, one
potential green card Mhmm.Right, and then up to 10 US jobs
for every foreign investorthat's gonna come. Mhmm.
Do I summarize that?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So so there are two types of EB five. One is direct
investment, direct EB five. Theother one is regional center
based EB Okay. Right? So directEB5 is where just one single EB5
investor makes a directinvestment into his own creative
project Sure.
Or a project that that personcan develop with other partners,
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but there's only one single EBfive investor a lot in that
direct EB five investment. Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So it is more smaller scaled project.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Right? Versus this regional say regional center
based EB five is where largescale project like hotel, mixed
use condo, that developer pullsthe investment from many
different EB-five investors thatis sponsored by this program
called Regional Center. Right?As long as your project is
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sponsored by the RegionalCenter, then you can pull the
investment from multipledifferent EV five investors.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So the minimum required investment is $800,000
depending on the location. Sure.If the location is in the rural
area or high unemployment ratedarea, then it
Speaker 1 (24:55):
is more flexible on it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Right? Then it's $800,000.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Create some more jobs in the underserved area or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes. Exactly. Yeah. If not, then it's $1,050,000
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Per investor. Right? So it really depends on which
type of cases, type of EB five,but vast majority of EB five
investors utilize regionalcenter based EB five because,
you know, you can be a passiveinvestor. You don't have to
worry about developing your ownbusiness, right, own project.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah. So Oh my gosh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I I think that that needs to be made aware more
because if you look at theresult of all of that Right.
More US jobs. Right? Right. Ifyou just look at if you get rid
of the immigration ward, if youget rid of the investor ward, if
you get rid of whatever countrythey come from, if the only net
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result is more US jobs
Speaker 2 (25:50):
like And that is even mandatory as part of the
requirement.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But even if they didn't wanna do it, have to do
it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah. Then they can't get a green card if there's no
10 jobs per per investor. Youknow?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay. So let let's stay on that for just a minute.
I'm I'm super you can tell I'm,like, super intrigued by this.
This is not an exact answer tohold you to it. One of The US
based companies wants to hiresomeone from another country.
They're gonna start a newproject. Mhmm. Can you give me
an approximate? How long does ittake? Is it a week?
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Is it seven years? I knowthere's gonna be variables to
it. Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is there
Speaker 1 (26:24):
kind of like a, hey. On average, if everything goes
smoothly, it's eighteen monthsor something like that. Are you
are you, a, are you allowed toanswer that?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And okay. Give me just kind of a a an idea what
that looks like.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah. So it really depends on what type of visa,
whether it is for the temporarywork visa versus green card.
Right? When it comes totemporary visa, work visa, then
there are several differenttypes of visas too. Right?
So it really depends on whattype of work visa we're talking
about. Right? So for example, ifwe're Different talking about
Speaker 1 (26:52):
durations on
Speaker 2 (26:52):
the Different duration, different timing,
different processing times. Soit really depends. But the most
popular work visa
Speaker 1 (27:00):
to that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Mhmm. It's called h one b visa that is for specialty
occupation. Right? So if The UScompanies has a position, right,
that that requires bachelor'sdegree at minimum or higher.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And if the foreign national has bachelor's degree
in their related field, thenboom. You pretty much meet all
the requirements. Right? So youcan start the sponsorship
process. Yeah.
But because it is relativelyeasy to meet that requirement.
Right? Like, we require abachelor's degree, and he he or
she has a bachelor's degree inthe related field, so
everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Because of that, there's a limited quota, limited
numbers of HMB visas that
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Because it's so common. Mhmm. Right? Because
it's not it's not a hard metricsto meet if Yeah. That's kind of
the the bar.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah. So it's 65,000 for the for those with
bachelor's degree and 20,000 forthose with master's degree
earned from The US institutions.For the 65, the regular one, the
degree can be earned fromdifferent countries too. But for
that 20,000 master's degree,it's called master's cap, it has
to be earned from The USinstitutions. Right?
So total of 85,000 only per perevery fiscal year. Yeah. So a
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lot of companies try to submitI'm sure. Fight for that. Yeah.
So there's a random lotteryselection process in in in the
month of March. And then after
Speaker 1 (28:20):
is crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
For me. So my birthday is March. So I go
crazy. I
Speaker 1 (28:26):
birthday month.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah. It's not a great great birthday month for
me. But so after that randomselection process, it's
electronic lottery system. Thenthey make an announcement who's
selected in the lottery. So weget a result.
Then we are able to file thatHONB petitions between April to
June. So we get that ninety daywindow. So between March to
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June, it's pretty busy seasonfor us immigration lawyers in
the business immigrationindustry.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Sure. Oh my gosh. I'm so I'm fascinated. I'm grateful.
You know, I love so many thingsabout our country, and there's
some things I don't like, but mywife probably doesn't like
everything I do either.
It's just part of being in arelationship even if it's your
country. I'm grateful that thoseopportunities are there. Most
importantly, because I I hate tokeep saying it, I love that the
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net result of that is more jobs.And I I wish sometimes people
would be able to hear thatmessage differently because I
think fewer people would getfrustrated by that word. There's
a lot of people in this country.
You just hear the wordimmigration. I think it's bad,
and they forget that we are allimmigrants. Mhmm. I love that at
least there are some things thatour country is doing that is
(29:41):
helping promote that. Yes.
There's only 85,000, but atleast there's 85,000.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Mhmm. Exactly. I
Speaker 1 (29:47):
love that there's an opportunity for a business to
say, we can't find this person.Let's go get them from
Indonesia, and let's bring themhere, and that maybe we get to
bring a family of six here.Mhmm. Legally, properly, they
get to pay taxes. Right.
But they also get to go toschool. They get health care. I
I mean, I you know, they theyget freedom, all those things.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I wish I wish immigration could be overhauled
to benefit Mhmm. Everyonebetter, and I'm sure that's
never gonna be a perfectscience.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah. Because, you know, news media, they always
want to focus on those badplayers, right, or illegal
immigrants with criminalrecords. Right? But there's so
many other amazing immigrantswho are making substantial
contributions to this country.Right?
So h one b was just one visacategory that I mentioned, but
there are so many other options,right, such as e b one a or NIW
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that is for those withextraordinary ability or who has
this talent that is in that thatthat is that can be considered
as national interest. Right?Yeah. In national interest, such
as, you know, Olympic goldmedalist or scientists, right,
or researchers or scientists.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Above and beyond.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah. So we often forget about how how much value
all these immigrants can bringto the country. Right? All these
technologies. Right?
The skills, knowledge
Speaker 1 (31:08):
get better Yeah. And create more jobs.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I've always been, like not an exact answer. If
someone let's say they get awork visa or some any category
of visa, and let's say they'rehere for eighteen months. I'm
just giving you a hypothetical.Is there anything in the law
that like, does it make iteasier for them to potentially
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apply for citizenship versussomeone who just wants to bring
their family here? Like, if youhave that visa and you've shown
and the work and they stillsponsor you, is it it it's kinda
like like if someone doesn't getinto UCI right away.
Mhmm. If they go to SaddlebackJunior College here, they have a
feeder program that gets intoUCI versus someone trying to
apply at UCI.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
If you correlate that into immigration, if someone
already has that work visa,potentially, does that help them
get to citizenship faster ifthat's something they even
desire?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I mean, it really depends on what type of category
too. So for example, my dad camehere through executive visa
called l one a. Right? Andthere's a green card option that
is called EB one c that is forexecutive employees as well.
Right.
Intra company transfer executiveas well. Right? So l one a and e
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b one c green card, even thoughl one a is just for temporary
work visa and e b one a is forgreen card, the requirements for
both are very similar.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Right? So if you get an l one a visa first, then it
is much easier to obtain that eb one c green card because of
the very similar requirements.Right?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Met, let's say, most of, you know
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Of the requirements they need to get the green card
anyway. Right?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So it really depends on what categories we're talking
about. Yeah. Or sometimes youjust don't need that type of
visas or other temporary workvisas if you're married to a US
citizen. Right, then it's areally fast track A little
easier. Right?
Very easy. Yeah. A little biteasier and fast track to obtain
a green card. Right? So itreally depends on what type of,
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you know, visa categories orgreen card categories we're
talking about.
There's Family, there arebusiness category. And then
within the category, there areso many different types.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So yes and no sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's probably constantly changing. Yes. I
mean, I would imagine every timean administration comes, it
changes, good or bad. I'dimagine anytime something
happens, whether maybe it'swithin the confines of that
administration's administration,that maybe there's something
else that changes. Right?
I mean, I'm sure law most of ourfriends who are mutual friends
(33:46):
would know this. I always wantedto be an attorney. Mhmm. But I
didn't like school.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So after
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I got my bachelor's degree, I said I'm not going to
law school for sure. Okay. AndI'm sure every category of law
is constantly changing. This hasbeen a hot topic with really the
last four administrations, maybeeven five. I would imagine you
are seeing trying to stay up todate on all of the changes and
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modifications and enhancementsis probably almost like full
time job
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Just to make sure.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah. It's so funny how you mentioned that. I was
calculating how many years ofexperience that I had.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So I started working as a paralegal, you know, fresh
out of college. Yeah. So it'sbeen eighteen years Wow. Since I
started working in theimmigration industry.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, real quick. Always immigration?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Always immigration. That
Speaker 1 (34:35):
was what you Yes. Did, and that's
Speaker 2 (34:36):
what you
Speaker 1 (34:37):
started in?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, I try to, you know, do internship and try to
work for, you know, generalpractice firm here and there,
like, during and after lawschool, but my entire career has
been in immigration. Yeah. Soeighteen years as as a, you
know, professional and thenthirteen years as an attorney.
Yeah. So combining totaleighteen years, so I was very
surprised.
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Meaning, I went through manydifferent administrations Yeah.
Right, including Obama, youknow, Biden Yeah. Two Trumps. So
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right. And everyone was some similarities, a lot of
differences. Right? Yes. And andand, obviously, you know, with
what Obama and Biden did, it wasa little more aligned.
Right? Because they were justmore aligned. Yes. Obviously,
the first Trump administrationwant he, you know, he wants to
make an impact. I tell peopleall the time, whether you voted
for him or not, he wants to comein and make big impacts, and
(35:27):
that's his personality.
Whether people agree with it ornot, that's the truth. Yeah. And
so he'll typically his pendulumshift is greater than most.
Right? And he's super passionateabout immigration.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So, anyway, I could imagine when you're going from
one administration to anotherYeah. Where one wants to be so
empowered and powerful on it,and then you go from and then
you get to Biden where he wantedto make a statement to pull that
back a little bit. Right?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Make it
Speaker 1 (35:54):
over easy. And then Trump comes in, and now he wants
to make a a big impact. So yourpendulum swings have not just
been normal market shifts.They've been significant.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes. A lot of people ask me how you do it. How you
how do you maintain your sanity?That's what a lot of people ask
me. And then it's so funny.
Yesterday, I actually metanother fellow immigration
attorney friend at one of thosenetworking meetings. Yeah. And I
asked him, oh, did you see thatpolicy update, you know, release
of the new policy about the NTAthat can still be issued to a
(36:26):
marriage based green cardbeneficiary. And he goes, which
update are you talking about?Right?
Like, which one? Good. Becausethere are too many updates. So
many of them, so we can hardlykeep up, you know, keep up with
all these updates.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
But funny enough, like, there's so many constant
changes. Yeah. So one of the bigchanges that was released last
Friday was that they can stillissue something called NTA,
notice to appear, meaning it'sthe start of the removal
process. Right? Right?
Like deportation process. Yeah.So NTA can still be issued for
someone who's married to a UScitizen who legally entered The
(37:02):
US, not illegally, legallyentered The US but happen to
overstay, even just a few fewmonths.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Because they get a finite amount of time, right, to
visit. Mhmm. And then if theydon't have whatever permission
to extend that visit
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And they overstay.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That they overstay.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Or maybe some sometimes mistake happen. Right?
So they get to overstay. Right?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Something.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah. So things happen. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Without their intention. Right?And sometimes a lot of people
tend happen to overstay Yeah.Without planning to overstay.
Right?
So even though that happens, youyou may still get the NTA.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
To appear.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It used to be sort of like a free pass.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
If you're if you're married to a US citizen Yeah.
Then even if you overstayedYeah. You usually don't get
don't, you know, go through thatNTA pros like, removal process.
Yeah. But the policy came outlast Friday Yeah.
That they can still be issued onNTA and might be able might have
to present their case in frontof the immigration judge in
court, which is a very crazy bignews in our industry.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, I'm gonna say some things that you're not
allowed to
Speaker 2 (38:15):
say. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
And I'll go back and reference for a second. I am a
massive fan of legalimmigration.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm not a fan of illegal immigration. Mhmm. I'm
also not a fan. I'm obviouslynot the president, and it's easy
to look back and say, theyshould have done it this way.
They should have done theyshould one of the things I
struggle with, Trump, you're notallowed to say anything right
now, is I actually support andand I'll I have some people that
(38:47):
we have healthy disagreementson.
I actually support his theory oflegal immigration. Mhmm. The
problem is, which is typical forhim, is his execution. Mhmm.
When he first started talkingabout the criminals,
incarcerated, some of thosethings and, again, varying
opinions.
I'm all for it. Mhmm. Deportthem. I don't wanna pay for
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them. They're criminals,whatever.
I also understand the defense ofif they're here illegally,
they're criminal. And by theway, by the lord of the law,
they are. That's true. I justfeel like the person that's
married so you have a marriedcitizen and someone who came in
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legally who is in the process oftrying to become legal.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I'm gonna imagine he just wanted to make one fell
swoop and just generalize it.But, unfortunately, prior to his
administration, there was a lotof people who are trying to do
it the right way. And I knowit's impossible to find every
single person. Right. I justwish execution of what he did.
Mhmm. I'm all for getting rid ofthe criminals that are in jail.
(39:59):
Get rid of them. Mhmm. I'm a fanof strengthening the borders.
That that's just an opinion.Mhmm. I almost and I know he
doesn't care about Democrats.Mhmm. I almost wish he would
have got rid of the criminals,strengthened the borders, and
then paused for a little bitbecause he could have gotten a
huge win from Republicans andDemocrats, and I'm no
(40:19):
politician.
Mhmm. He could have gone becausethe people on his side of the
aisle were like, god, he wasreally aggressive. The people on
the other side of the were like,he's a terrible human being.
Yeah. I think so many peoplewould have supported him, and
you're not allowed to offer anopinion on this because you're
an attorney.
I just wish he would have done alittle bit of it differently
because I felt like he reallycould have aligned with, I want
people to be here who wanna doit legally, and I don't want
(40:42):
people to be here who wanna doit illegally. Mhmm. And so that
was just more of my commentaryto you of there's so much
misinformation out there. Mhmm.But I felt like he had an
opportunity to bring bothparties together, which he
doesn't like to do all the time
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
And say, we're gonna strengthen our borders to
prevent more from coming in.We're gonna try and figure out
this mess that we have. Mhmm.And I wanna get rid of the bad
guys. Mhmm.
And I felt like he coulda hadsuch a win with it would have
been hard for the Democrats toargue his logic around that.
Mhmm. So with that dissertation,I don't want you to say anything
because you're probably notallowed to. Here's here's one
(41:18):
thing I do wanna talk about thatrelates to that a little bit.
Yeah.
If somebody's in the and if youcan't answer it, tell me. If
someone's in the process ofgoing through it
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And next week, like they're doing it the right way,
and next week, there's anupdate, let's say
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Do they get to grandfather in from the previous
one, or does now the new updatebecome precedent?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It all depends on their decision. Yeah. They
sometimes grandfather it. Theysometimes say effective as off.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So real quick, just to interrupt. I like to
interrupt because it's mypodcast. Does that mean does
typically that change show that?Does it say like, hey. But
they're grandfathered oreffective immediately so that if
you're even in the process, toolate.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Usually, they they would clearly indicate it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And just going back to your previous comments or
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I just wanna get you off the hook if you want to.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah. I totally agree with you. And even even though
I'm an immigrant myself, I amagainst illegal immigrants
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, who cross the border and try to enter our
country illegally. I'm I'm notfor it. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But there are so many situations where people are
without their bad intention
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Or, you know, plan. Right? Sometimes you're brought
to this country, for example,minor minor children.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
When their parents decide to cross the border for,
of course, better life foreveryone. Sure. Of course. They
are two years old. Yeah.
Three years old. Right? And theycome to this country, and
suddenly, they realize thatthey're here illegally. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
So that is just one example. Right? Yeah. And asylum
seekers and refugees and allthat. Right?
So there are so many differentexceptions. Right? Yeah. Where
we're also talking about thevictims, vulnerable human
beings. Right?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
There's a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
A lot of them.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
So instead of generalizing illegal immigrants
as bad actors and Right. Youknow, criminals and we have to
get rid of them, I wish therewere more opportunities to sort
of categorize things so thatthere's enough and more fair and
reasonable exceptions. Right?But I also think that there
(43:35):
wasn't enough time, right, forhim, for Trump to execute
everything exceptions and put itin writing in the regulations
and, you know, get bipartisansupport and Right. Put it pass
that into law.
So I understand
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Why this current administration was trying trying
so hard to literally moving andshaking things. Right? Yeah.
Because sometimes you just haveto take action, right, to make
some big grandiose changes. Ofcourse.
Right? But I wish there weresome a group of very group of
expert with deep immigrationknowledge, right, on his side
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Who can sort of give him very detailed analysis of
what what can potentially happenwhen we make this cup this type
of changes and what kind ofexceptions we want to implement,
right, so that we can protectmore vulnerable Yeah. Illegal
immigrants.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Choose to to
Speaker 2 (44:29):
be People who didn't choose to be in that position,
in that shoes. Right? Yeah. So Ithink it takes time. There's no
right or wrong answer to this,and I don't wanna get into this
political It's But you know whatI'm saying?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Perfectly. Yeah. I
Speaker 2 (44:42):
So I think we we need to give give this administration
some time Yeah. To flatten thatout and, I mean, iron that out
situation. Yeah. But yeah. It itbecause of that during that
process, because, you know, theyhad limited time Yeah.
And they really wanted toexecute
Speaker 1 (45:03):
They did.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
A lot of victims Yeah. Were created,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, I think I'll wrap this up on the immigration
stuff. Yeah. I'm fascinated bybecause you you have an approach
to it. Like, I I love thatyou're very balanced on it.
Like, believe in a certainthing, and you would have liked
to see it done a different way,and you're not denouncing or
criticizing.
You're saying, hey. I like this.I I didn't really like that. And
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and you're doing it tactfully ina way that's like, this is
really, like like, you know,what I believe in. I feel like I
feel like sometimes people thinkthey need to get a big win right
out of the gate.
And, again, I appreciate thepolitical pressure he was under
because of what he said he wasgonna do Before.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Before the election.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I just don't think he realized how powerful because it
it seems to be a little bit of arecurring theme that that some
of the people that are herelegally that were immigrants
have said, we are all for legalimmigration. We're not for
illegal immigration. And butthere are and to bring this full
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circle, regardless of what hedid, there was gonna be some
collateral damage. Right now,the collateral damage is some
vulnerable people going throughsome traumatic things of being
removed and some of thosethings. If he wouldn't have done
it, there would have been thethe one case of the person that
got to stay that killed someoneor robbed a bank.
Collateral damage either way.Yeah. I respect his decision to
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make a change, but it's likeanything I just it's like in the
same in my business. I respectindustry changes to protect
consumers.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't always agree with the execution of it. Mhmm.
So okay. Listen. Gotta I gottawrap up.
I wanna talk about a couple morereal quick personal things.
Okay. I wanna tell yousomething. I learned more in the
last forty minutes with youabout what people are going
through. Mhmm.
And I love that, and I get whyyou're so passionate about it. I
I mean it. I've heard you speak.I've heard people talk about
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thanking you for helping theirfriends and colleagues and
businesses and stuff like that.I just I feel like I learned so
much.
Like, I'm way more knowledgeableabout what's really going on and
and really how things work.Mhmm. Let's wrap up with a
couple personal things. Okay. Idon't wanna say this word wrong,
but I might.
Favorite last meal, omasaki. DidI say that right? Yeah. Omasaki.
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Omasaki.
Yeah. And so for the audiencemembers who don't know, if I
understand it because I lookedit up, omasaki is when you go
somewhere and you don't orderanything and you let the chef
just bring you food.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
One by one.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
One by one. Yeah. And so let me ask you a question.
I'm a finicky eater. Mhmm.
If I go to Korea, don't laugh.Can I say, I want omasaki? Just
don't give me any squid or orsomething. Or is it you go in an
omasaki, and they're gonnathey're gonna bring you what
they want?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I think you can definitely tell them what you're
allergic to and what you don'twanna have. But when it comes to
your preference, personalpreference Yeah. Other than
allergic reaction Yeah. I thinkit'll be a little bit difficult
because it'll hurt the thechef's pride.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I was just gonna say
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You don't wanna hurt their pride or get into their
And what
Speaker 1 (48:14):
are you is it seafood? Is it soups?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Is it sushi? Sushi. Sushi. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Because sushi is one of my favorite dishes. Mhmm. So
if I go to Korea Mhmm. And I doit that way, they're just gonna
bring me whatever theirspecialty of sushi is. Now I
think I would love that.
Yeah. I don't think I would likeif someone surprised me with
some sort
Speaker 2 (48:36):
of brain or no. You're not gonna be thing.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah. And and so can you do that at Korean
restaurants here, or is itreally when you're in Korea?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
It's more specialized, you know, dining
experience in Japan. Yeah. Yeah.For when you go to Korea, I'm
not sure if they have that kindof omakase type of dinner
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Other than, like, Japanese restaurant in Korea.
Sure. But if you're talkingabout authentic Korean food
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think it's more of we just bring every dishes all
in one table, almost like thetable is about to break. Yeah.
So you they put out all thisvariety of different side dishes
with main rice and soup. Yeah.It's so colorful and so pretty.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I'm gonna do that when I go there.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Cannot wait to tell you where to go.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yes. Yes. Can tell how passionate and knowledgeable
and educated Evelyn is. She'snot passionate about immigration
because, you know, it'simmigration. Her family came
here to this country, and she'sso passionate about it.
And you would serve you and yourclients well if you needed help
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in that area to meet with her. Iwant you to look in that camera.
Okay. And I want you to tellpeople, whether it's a phone or
an email or website, how theycan try and reach out to you if
they wanna connect with you.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah. You can all always find my website. Find me
on my website, which iswww.evelynmoon.com. That's my
name, evelynmoon.com. And then Ihave Instagram, Evelyn Moon Law.
That's my Instagram handle. AndI'm on my LinkedIn, Evelyn Moon.
You can just, you know, searchme on LinkedIn. Yeah. I think
that's about it.
And I think I have TikTokaccount, but I rarely use it.
(50:22):
I'm not a Gen Z or youngergeneration. So I stay away from
TikTok.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Our generation seems to be a little bit more in the
Instagram and and Facebook.Facebook. And I don't need one
more social media platform totry and integrate. I'm I'm so
grateful that we got to sitdown. I love on those boys.
I love that you wanna freezetime because you're gonna turn
around one day, and they'regonna be dating a girl, and
you're gonna be sick to yourstomach. But but the boys always
come home to mama. That's whatthey do. My my two sons I'm very
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close. My two sons love theirmom more than me, which I get.
My daughter and I are a littlebit more connected. So the good
news for you is your boys willalways love you more than anyone
else. And so you're you're gonnabe fine trying to free some
time. I wish you luck on yourquest because I love how
passionate you are aboutsomething that's a a difficult
landscape right now, but you doit with some grace and some joy
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and and some balance. And so I Ican't wait to see how many more
people you're able to help.
So thanks for coming on, Evelyn.I really enjoyed our time.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much
for having me, Chris.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah. You're welcome. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you
next time.
Hey, everybody. Welcome to my show. You've heard
(00:02):
me before. Call it
Speaker 2 (00:03):
a
Speaker 1 (00:04):
podcast. It's really just an excuse to sit down with
some of my friends and put itout there for people to really
just kinda have some fun with itand and maybe learn something.
The the people that I have on myshow are friends first, and
they're total experts, totalpros. It's it's not like a
referral I'm trying to make.It's an introduction.
(00:25):
And today, man, I'm reallyexcited because I'm sitting down
with someone who I just have somuch respect for. Her name is
Evelyn Moon. She's an incrediblemom. She's an incredible friend,
and she's a powerful immigrationattorney. And I can't wait for
you to learn a little bit moreabout her.
So let me tell you a quickstory. Thanks for coming in
(00:49):
today. You got your typical, youknow, suit on because you always
dress so well, and and and I Iadmire that about you. Thanks
for coming on and taking a hotseat, I caught a little bit,
where we get to talk about beinga mom and an immigration
attorney and stuff like that. Sothanks for carving out some time
you're busy to sit down with metoday.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thank you so much for having me, Chris. It's an honor.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah. Thank you. Let's just jump right into
what's really important. You'rethe mom of two boys. Yes.
Now one of I'm the youngest offive, four boys and a girl. One
of the things I love, I get acouple reels, some Facebook,
some Instagram. Anythingmarriage related is funny for
me. Mhmm. Sports related stuff.
(01:32):
And somehow I get a bunch ofreels on crazy kids. Yeah. And
my favorite reels these days arethe pictures of a mom with,
like, a daughter, and thedaughter's kinda sitting there
whether she's coloring orplaying or and then there's the
next picture of the three boysthat are beating each each other
up with baseball bats andjumping off the couch and
pillows. Now I live that life,by
Speaker 2 (01:52):
the way. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You're a mom of two young boys. How much fun is it
watching them do whatever it isthat they do on a crazy level
that just makes you think, oh mygosh, like, are they gonna make
it? Like, how does this work?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah. I mean, it's really fun to be a mom of two
boys. Yeah. My boys are sevenand three years old. He's
actually turning three years oldthis month, end of this month.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And, you know, they have four years of age gap.
Right? So I thought, you know,they wouldn't really get along
together, right, because of theage gap?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Sure. Because of the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. The age difference. But, man, they
fight, they yell, but they hangout together and everything. But
it's a constant battle for sure.Yeah.
Lots of noise, lots of breakingnoises. Right? Yes. Lots of
screaming and yelling andcrying, but it's really fun to
be a mom of two boys. Yeah.
I really treasure this moment. Ialmost want to kind of freeze
(02:47):
this time Yeah. Because it's soprecious and I know that it'll
it won't last forever. Yeah. Itgoes fast.
Mhmm. It goes by really fast. Ican already tell, right, how
fast it goes by. We're justtalking about it. Right?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I really want to freeze this moment. I really
enjoy being a mom.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh my gosh. I I love hearing that. Some of these
questions are personal. They'renot that personal. Like, I'm not
gonna ask you for your SocialSecurity number or something
like that.
Before I ask you a question,siblings, do you have your own
siblings? Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I have one sister and one younger brother. Yeah. One
younger sister, one youngerbrother.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And how close were you in age to your sister?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
One year. She's my younger sister and then seven
years younger than me, mybrother.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So he's my sister fight?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh my gosh. A lot. We fought a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
Over clothes, you know, somesome little stupid things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No. But that's that's what sisters do
Speaker 2 (03:39):
and brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And and the reason I ask that is I've been married
thirty years. My my wife's anonly child. Oh, okay. Was born
and raised by this my myfather-in-law was this
incredible man. He's no longerhere.
Italian Catholic, very, like,you know, head down when he eats
and stuff like that. Yeah. AndI'm I come from five. And so
when we and I have three kids.Oh, yes.
(04:02):
Sometimes when my kids wereyounger Yeah. For my wife, it
was like the dinner table wasweird for her Mhmm. Because the
kids would be kids. When thekids would fight, my wife would
be like, oh my gosh. Like andfor me, I could sit back with
normalcy and say, like, yeah.
If they're not fighting, I'mworried about them. Right. And
and to bring it full circle,
Speaker 2 (04:21):
if I
Speaker 1 (04:21):
can just tell you, I'm gonna predict the future
right now for you. I'm theyoungest. Two of my three older
brothers, they beat me up allthe time. Mhmm. They would
target me all the time.
They would do things to me allthe time as a younger brother.
Mhmm. But at the first sign oftrouble, they were the first
ones in front of theneighborhood bullies, or they
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were the first ones to protectme and defend me. Right. And so
I can already tell you as theyfight and as they scream and
probably break a few things
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
The good news is your older younger son no matter what
happens, and that's the beautyof the fight and the Mhmm. And
all that stuff. And by the timeyour three year old probably
gets old enough to beat up hisolder brother, he'll be too old.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
He won't want you anymore. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Because people say, Chris, you were the youngest.
They beat you up. Did you everwanna beat them up? Well, by the
time I was big enough to do itYeah. I was 15 or 16.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right. I didn't wanna do
Speaker 1 (05:17):
that anymore. So I'm just preparing you. Good things
are set to come. A little bitmore fights are coming and some
stuff like What do do the boyslike to do for fun? Do they play
sports?
Do they play the violin?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So for now, my older son, Liam, he plays baseball. He
used to play ice hockey, but hewants to focus on baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And he's also trying for the flag football. Okay.
Yeah. So he just started playingflag
Speaker 1 (05:42):
football. That. Yeah. Who who's his favorite baseball
player? Does he have one?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, hey. Sure. Of course. Did
Speaker 1 (05:49):
was he old enough to watch him when he was with the
angels before he got traded tothe? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think yeah. No. He was too young at the
time. Yeah. But he startedplaying baseball about two years
ago.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And his number is 17 because of that. Yeah. You know?
He's in the my the littleleague. Yeah.
So, yeah, he always picks 17because of
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I know you're a Dodger fan. Mhmm. Was that
before Ohtani came, or have youalways been a Dodger fan?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've always been a Dodgers fan. Yeah. Because,
know, there were a couple ofvery couple of very famous
Korean baseball players,including Chanwu Park Chanwu
Park. So, yeah, I've been a andthen I went to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So I've been a Dodgers fan for a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
One of the things I love about this podcast is
really what it is. I learnedsomething about people I've
known for a long time, and Ijust that's one the things I
love about it. Like, I my lastinterview was someone we know,
Chris King. I've known him forseven years. I learned something
about him in our short littleconversation I didn't know.
So it's one of the things I loveabout it. But there's something
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that I've never asked you about.Born and raised here or in
Korea?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I was born and raised in Korea Okay. Until high
school.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Until high school.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah. So I was an immigrant myself.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. And we're gonna talk about that. Okay.
What whole family came here.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And how old were you?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was 14.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay. So let's talk for a couple of minute. I like
the personal more than thebusiness. Yeah. How was that?
Because I'm native. I was bornhere. Mhmm. How was that coming
literally? Like, I'm I'm sureyou read and heard and saw.
But how how was that transitionfor a 14 year old girl,
especially?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah. Right? Going through
Speaker 1 (07:29):
a lot at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Exactly. So I came here when I was 14. Yeah. My dad
was an executive of the globalcompany in South Korea. It was
called SK Communications.
Telecommunications is kinda likeone of those big companies like
Samsung, Hyundai, Kia.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And he was an executive, and he was sort of
transferred over to The USbranch office
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
As an expat. Right? So we, as a derivative family
members, were able to immigrateto The US together with him. At
first, it was a visa, you know,work visa, and then we
transitioned into the greencard. Right?
So that's how we immigrated.Yeah. So I was only 14. You
know, I can still vividlyremember the first day of
school. Yeah.
You know, everybody was watchinglooking at me as if I'm some
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kind of stranger. Yeah. Right?And I couldn't really speak
English well. My English wasbroken.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Learned a little bit, but more broken. Very broken.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So I had to start learning how to speak English. I
was in ESL class. Right? And,you know, cultural shock Yeah.
This barrier and, you know, andwhen you're 14, you're going to
that teenage stage.
Right? Teenage mode.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Was gonna say you have enough going on
Speaker 2 (08:36):
with that. Emotional roller coaster. Right? So it was
a lot for me to take on, know,learning a language, you know,
struggling with culturaldifference Changes. Changes,
environment.
Food. Food. Yes. Of course.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For someone who's never immigrated.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's so funny how you you you, you know, caught that.
The first thing that I triedfrom Costco was the pizza,
Costco pizza. Oh, okay. I had tothrow it away because it was so
salty. Yeah.
So much Oh my gosh. It tasteslike salt. Yeah. Right? But now
I love Costco Pizza.
I cannot live without it. I loveI
Speaker 1 (09:08):
love that. So let's let's
Speaker 2 (09:09):
stay on
Speaker 1 (09:09):
the food topic for just a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I haven't been to Korea. I'm going to go to Korea.
My wife and I both wanna go.What's the biggest difference?
You know, I wanna presumethere's they make Korean food in
America, but it's probablyAmericanized Korean food.
Is there places where you can gothat's the Korean food that
maybe, like, your mom used tomake or a grandparent or
(09:34):
something like that? Can youfind those spots that's really
more authentic?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
There's so many. There are too many, so I have to
give you the list of all theplaces that you can visit. Some
fusion, but very authentic, veryKorean traditional food. So and
depending depending on what youwant to try Yeah. Like, whether
it's seafood or, you know, someauthentic Korean food.
Like, there's so many differenttypes of
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah. I love that. What about the boys? Are they
finicky eaters? Like, do theywant the chicken nuggets and the
Costco pizza, or will they havesome of the authentic Korean
food?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
They're very picky eaters, unfortunately. So my
sons, they wouldn't touch, like,kimchi or some very, you know,
strong flavored Korean food,unfortunately. But I'm trying to
take them to Korea. Yeah. So Ionly took my older son when he
was only two.
So he doesn't really rememberanything. Yeah. And my second
son never has never been toKorea. So I cannot wait until I
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take them and, you know, makethem try all these different
types of food. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I can't wait to spend more time with you when my wife
and I know we're going to PlanetMhmm. Because I'm gonna buy you
dinner or something. I'm gonnamake you sit with me for two
hours to tell us all the dos anddon'ts about it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You don't have to buy me anything, but I cannot wait
to share with you all the list.I I actually went to Korea last
April for a conference. Okay. SoI know all the hot places, you
know, the trendy ones, so I'llshare with you.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
One of my closest friends for thirty five years is
Korean, and same thing I'vetold. His name is Young Choi.
And same thing I said, man, Ican't wait to pick your brain
Yeah. Just to make sure whatevertime I have there. Mhmm.
Okay. So let's let's let's talkabout you. Okay. Because I know
I know how good you are in yourjob without you saying how good
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of an immigration attorney youare because in the group we met,
the networking group we'vebecome friends in Mhmm. You
know, when people stand up andsay great things about you, you
don't ever need to say anythinggreat about yourself.
So I know you're not gonna sayanything great about yourself.
I'm I'm gonna do that for you.The amount of people who talk
about your knowledge andexpertise and success and
(11:40):
probably more importantly, yourpassion
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
About being an immigration attorney, other
people say how great you are.And I love that when people talk
about you, they use the word,you're an expert. You're really
talented. But the word I lovethat they say most is about how
passionate you are. Right?
So very few of us really get tobe, I'm in the mortgage
business. How passionate can yoube about real estate finance? I
(12:03):
like it. Mhmm. I'm passionateabout it.
Mhmm. Love how passionate youare about being an immigration
attorney. Mhmm. Tough question.Do you think part of that just
resonated because you're animmigrant?
I don't wanna trivialize it, butdo you think part of that is
really the genesis of one of thereasons I am so passionate is
because my family immigratedhere. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
100%. 100%. I can totally relate what my clients
are going through because eventhough I was a minor child and I
didn't really personally gothrough that immigration process
myself, it was actually my dad.Right? But I actually witnessed
it
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And observed. And, actually, we went to the
interview altogether as afamily, and I experienced it,
how intense it was. Right? Wehad to get in a long line in
front of the ImmigrationBuilding. It was 06:00 in the
morning.
I can still remember coming outof the interview, and we're just
having donuts after that. Yeah.And my my dad was so relieved
that we passed the interview. SoI've experienced all that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do do you find out right away? Like, once you're
done with the interview?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't, depending
on the officer.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay. Got it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I I really clearly remember how important it was to
have the legal status in The USin order to continue with your
life.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And my dad, that moment when he was very
relieved. Right? So when itcomes to immigration, I take it
very personally. Right?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Sounds like it. Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's not it's not one of those paperwork or
applications that I prepare and,you know, try to file. It is
more of I can feel how personalit is for for my client and his
or her family members too. Yeah.Right? Because I actually you
know, whichever case that Ihandle, I help somebody, you
(13:47):
know, I open the door ofopportunities to someone.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And that someone or the family can achieve their
American dream. Right? Withoutthat door of opportunity,
there's not there's no Americandream. Right? So it is very
rewarding experience.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh my gosh. I love like, your eyes light up when
you talk about the Americandream. Mhmm. I'm Native
American. I don't always saypolitically correct things.
I'm enamored by people fromforeign countries Mhmm. Whether
it's your country, Europeans,Middle East. I have so many
(14:28):
friends from differentethnicities.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And one of the things I admire about people that are
not native Americans, I feellike people from other countries
have a little more passion forfamily, passion for helping
people. I'm not saying it's aperfect science, and and there's
a ton of native people from herethat are wonderfully kind,
(14:53):
loving, passionate
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right. Of course. Of course.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But I have found a little bit more of a passion
level from people that are notborn and raised here. One of the
things I I try not to get toocynical at 58 years old.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But what I find myself doing sometimes is
comparing people like me topeople from other countries and
say we should be more likesomeone who immigrated from
Korea Mhmm. Who who who talksabout the American dream.
Because as Americans, I shouldbe talking as passionately about
the American dream as youshould. Mhmm. Because I have it.
(15:25):
I've lived it. I was born withit. And somehow I find that we,
not you, Native Americans, we'renot appreciating this as much as
we should, but it's takingpeople like you to say, gosh. I
wanna help someone achieve theAmerican dream. And I find your
passion, and you light up whenyou talk about that.
Yeah. And one of the reasons Ithink you're so successful,
(15:48):
which I know you're not gonnasay, there's so much you hear
about immigration attorneys whojust file the paperwork, like
what you just kinda referenced,But that's not you. Like, you
don't wanna just file thepaperwork for someone. Right?
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It
Speaker 1 (16:01):
sounds like you if you're gonna take it on, like,
you're really invested in
Speaker 2 (16:06):
it. Mhmm. Is that
Speaker 1 (16:06):
is that a fair statement?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yes. I when I take first of all, I don't take cases
from anyone. Right? I have tofeel that confidence. You know,
at least I I have thisconfidence that the case is
approval, of course.
Right? More than 50% of approvalapproval chance. Yeah. But also,
have to be able to build thatconfidence and and be able to,
(16:31):
you know, support my clientsthroughout the whole process.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right? A lengthy process.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right? It is a lengthy process. In order to do
that, I have to be confident inthe case. Right? Yeah.
Of course. So once I take thecase from my client, I don't let
it fail. Yeah. It's like Yeah. AIt's mine.
Yeah. So even if it's even ifit's whether it's collecting
information from my clients ordrafting letters on behalf of my
client
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I just put my heart and soul into it. Right? Every
single letter that that I draftfor my client, I don't take it
just lightly. You know what Imean? Even if it's just
description of the company oreven if it's just, you know, job
description or, you know,someone's qualifications.
Right? I take it very, veryseriously and personally.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah. I love that. Now as you again, I'm a mortgage
broker. I only know aboutimmigration, what I see that I
can fact check, and I and I havemy own beliefs. And I'm and I'm
gonna share my beliefs with youbecause then I wanna ask you
some questions about it.
I am 100 for legal immigration.I say bring everybody that we
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can, and I mean that because Ibelieve that our country at its
core has the ability to embraceit, to welcome it, to allow it
to become integrated into thefunctioning system of the
economy and jobs and health careand and all those things. I'm a
massive fan of it. Okay. I don'tnecessarily agree with some of
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the recent past politicaldecisions that have been made
that, you know, come in, we'llfigure it out later, some of the
costs and things like that.
And it's just a personalopinion.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I say it all the time. I'm a massive immigration
fan. I want as many people tocome to this country as they
can. I would like it to be donedifferently. Now listen.
Some people might like me to domy job differently.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. Of course.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I just think it's been done poorly. And and
whether the new administrationchanges are effective or not, we
don't know. Right? We'll justhave to wait and see. But Mhmm.
To bring that full circle
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
There's two types of immigration to a certain degree.
I know that someone may wannaimmigrate from a country and
come to The US and bring theirfamily. Mhmm. And I know there's
businesses Right. Similar toyour dad's situation.
Yes. I wanna talk about that fora couple minutes. You're very
well versed in that. Mhmm. Partof that come from that's how you
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guys
Speaker 2 (18:54):
came. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And so you believe in, boy, if I can help a
corporation bring an executiveover, I also get to bring six
people over, right, to a certaindegree. Is that is that kind of
one of the reasons you'repassionate about the corporate
side of it? We're helping peoplemigrate to The US within their
business and their company andall that stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. So I primarily focus on business and investment
immigration
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As well as family immigration, but my passion is
in business and investmentimmigration. Yeah. What does
that mean? Right? So I help TheUS companies when they can't
find the four the actual UStalent, talented employees from
the pool of applicants in TheUS, right, for their very
critical project.
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Right? Yeah. Then what do whatdo they do? Right? They have to
hire foreign talents.
Right? Yeah. So I get to helpthem hire foreign talents when
they can't find the qualified USworkers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So there is a lot of process that you have to go
through depending on the type ofvisas and green card options.
Sure. But it's a very stringentprocess that all these US
companies have to go through toprove and justify the need for
the foreign national employeesto bring them. Right? So I get
to help them, right, go throughthe process and hire foreign
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talents who can work on thesevery critical projects Yeah.
That can generate a lot of USjobs, right, because there's all
these other impacts, right
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Because of that one big project. Yeah. Right? If the
foreign national talentednational can execute the
project, right, and that in andof itself that project in and of
itself can create other US jobs
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We're doing such a great work. Right?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I love that, you know, the short question I sent
to you. I love no. No. I meanit. Like, I really wanna I
affirm to you.
I really love one of the thingsyou said because I don't think
it's lip service from you. Andand and one of the things you
said is Mhmm. That you lovebringing people here to bring
them here, but you also lovethat it helps create more US
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jobs.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's my that's my sole focus Yeah. When it comes
to business immigration. Yeah.That's the best part that I love
about.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you think that do you think that enough people not
Evelyn Moon, but do you thinkpeople would look deep enough at
an immigration attorney? Andinstead of just thinking
immigration, do you think peopleare giving you and and anyone
like you a fair shake to say,wait a second. They are
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passionate to bring people here,but they're doing it because
they like the bigger picture ofmore US jobs. Mhmm. I don't
think people are gonna givesomeone like you enough credit
for that.
I think there's gonna be somepeople in the political party
that might be like, oh, shewants more immigration. Yeah. Do
you really come from dual roleof, yeah, you'd love to help
people come to this greatcountry, but you also believe
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that it could then create morejobs for the people that are
here?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Mhmm. Because a lot of people forget about what kind
of other impact that one verycritical project Yeah. That US
companies are executing canbring. Yeah. Right?
And if that one person happensto be that foreign national
talent very talented foreignnational who has very
specialized skills and knowledgeYeah. And who can do this job.
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Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Why
Speaker 2 (22:15):
not? Why not? And if that because of that project
success after the successfulcompletion of the project Yeah.
If we can hire so many other USworkers Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And there's a specific green card option that
even specifically focus ongeneration generating jobs
through the foreign investmentcalled EB five. Okay. So there
is an option where foreigninvestors, right, can make an
investment into The US project,like hotel, mixed use condo
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Hospital projects. Right? But one requirement one
critical requirement is thatthat project has to create 10 US
full time jobs per foreigninvestors foreign investor. So
there is an option where that isactually a mandatory. The whole
point of EB five is to create USjobs and boost The US economy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I I
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think, like like, gosh. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna
get political. Too many peopledon't fact check. Mhmm. Too many
people hear a name, and theyjust label it.
Right? EB five. Mhmm. Let megive you just ask you an
example. Someone from China has$10,000,000, and they wanna buy
(23:32):
a hotel Mhmm.
In Kentucky. Mhmm. They canbring in their 10,000,000, one
potential green card Mhmm.Right, and then up to 10 US jobs
for every foreign investorthat's gonna come. Mhmm.
Do I summarize that?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So so there are two types of EB five. One is direct
investment, direct EB five. Theother one is regional center
based EB Okay. Right? So directEB5 is where just one single EB5
investor makes a directinvestment into his own creative
project Sure.
Or a project that that personcan develop with other partners,
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but there's only one single EBfive investor a lot in that
direct EB five investment. Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So it is more smaller scaled project.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Right? Versus this regional say regional center
based EB five is where largescale project like hotel, mixed
use condo, that developer pullsthe investment from many
different EB-five investors thatis sponsored by this program
called Regional Center. Right?As long as your project is
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sponsored by the RegionalCenter, then you can pull the
investment from multipledifferent EV five investors.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So the minimum required investment is $800,000
depending on the location. Sure.If the location is in the rural
area or high unemployment ratedarea, then it
Speaker 1 (24:55):
is more flexible on it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Right? Then it's $800,000.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Create some more jobs in the underserved area or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes. Exactly. Yeah. If not, then it's $1,050,000
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Per investor. Right? So it really depends on which
type of cases, type of EB five,but vast majority of EB five
investors utilize regionalcenter based EB five because,
you know, you can be a passiveinvestor. You don't have to
worry about developing your ownbusiness, right, own project.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah. So Oh my gosh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I I think that that needs to be made aware more
because if you look at theresult of all of that Right.
More US jobs. Right? Right. Ifyou just look at if you get rid
of the immigration ward, if youget rid of the investor ward, if
you get rid of whatever countrythey come from, if the only net
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result is more US jobs
Speaker 2 (25:50):
like And that is even mandatory as part of the
requirement.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But even if they didn't wanna do it, have to do
it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah. Then they can't get a green card if there's no
10 jobs per per investor. Youknow?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay. So let let's stay on that for just a minute.
I'm I'm super you can tell I'm,like, super intrigued by this.
This is not an exact answer tohold you to it. One of The US
based companies wants to hiresomeone from another country.
They're gonna start a newproject. Mhmm. Can you give me
an approximate? How long does ittake? Is it a week?
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Is it seven years? I knowthere's gonna be variables to
it. Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is there
Speaker 1 (26:24):
kind of like a, hey. On average, if everything goes
smoothly, it's eighteen monthsor something like that. Are you
are you, a, are you allowed toanswer that?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And okay. Give me just kind of a a an idea what
that looks like.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah. So it really depends on what type of visa,
whether it is for the temporarywork visa versus green card.
Right? When it comes totemporary visa, work visa, then
there are several differenttypes of visas too. Right?
So it really depends on whattype of work visa we're talking
about. Right? So for example, ifwe're Different talking about
Speaker 1 (26:52):
durations on
Speaker 2 (26:52):
the Different duration, different timing,
different processing times. Soit really depends. But the most
popular work visa
Speaker 1 (27:00):
to that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Mhmm. It's called h one b visa that is for specialty
occupation. Right? So if The UScompanies has a position, right,
that that requires bachelor'sdegree at minimum or higher.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And if the foreign national has bachelor's degree
in their related field, thenboom. You pretty much meet all
the requirements. Right? So youcan start the sponsorship
process. Yeah.
But because it is relativelyeasy to meet that requirement.
Right? Like, we require abachelor's degree, and he he or
she has a bachelor's degree inthe related field, so
everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Because of that, there's a limited quota, limited
numbers of HMB visas that
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Because it's so common. Mhmm. Right? Because
it's not it's not a hard metricsto meet if Yeah. That's kind of
the the bar.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah. So it's 65,000 for the for those with
bachelor's degree and 20,000 forthose with master's degree
earned from The US institutions.For the 65, the regular one, the
degree can be earned fromdifferent countries too. But for
that 20,000 master's degree,it's called master's cap, it has
to be earned from The USinstitutions. Right?
So total of 85,000 only per perevery fiscal year. Yeah. So a
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lot of companies try to submitI'm sure. Fight for that. Yeah.
So there's a random lotteryselection process in in in the
month of March. And then after
Speaker 1 (28:20):
is crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
For me. So my birthday is March. So I go
crazy. I
Speaker 1 (28:26):
birthday month.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah. It's not a great great birthday month for
me. But so after that randomselection process, it's
electronic lottery system. Thenthey make an announcement who's
selected in the lottery. So weget a result.
Then we are able to file thatHONB petitions between April to
June. So we get that ninety daywindow. So between March to
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June, it's pretty busy seasonfor us immigration lawyers in
the business immigrationindustry.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Sure. Oh my gosh. I'm so I'm fascinated. I'm grateful.
You know, I love so many thingsabout our country, and there's
some things I don't like, but mywife probably doesn't like
everything I do either.
It's just part of being in arelationship even if it's your
country. I'm grateful that thoseopportunities are there. Most
importantly, because I I hate tokeep saying it, I love that the
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net result of that is more jobs.And I I wish sometimes people
would be able to hear thatmessage differently because I
think fewer people would getfrustrated by that word. There's
a lot of people in this country.
You just hear the wordimmigration. I think it's bad,
and they forget that we are allimmigrants. Mhmm. I love that at
least there are some things thatour country is doing that is
(29:41):
helping promote that. Yes.
There's only 85,000, but atleast there's 85,000.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Mhmm. Exactly. I
Speaker 1 (29:47):
love that there's an opportunity for a business to
say, we can't find this person.Let's go get them from
Indonesia, and let's bring themhere, and that maybe we get to
bring a family of six here.Mhmm. Legally, properly, they
get to pay taxes. Right.
But they also get to go toschool. They get health care. I
I mean, I you know, they theyget freedom, all those things.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I wish I wish immigration could be overhauled
to benefit Mhmm. Everyonebetter, and I'm sure that's
never gonna be a perfectscience.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah. Because, you know, news media, they always
want to focus on those badplayers, right, or illegal
immigrants with criminalrecords. Right? But there's so
many other amazing immigrantswho are making substantial
contributions to this country.Right?
So h one b was just one visacategory that I mentioned, but
there are so many other options,right, such as e b one a or NIW
(30:39):
that is for those withextraordinary ability or who has
this talent that is in that thatthat is that can be considered
as national interest. Right?Yeah. In national interest, such
as, you know, Olympic goldmedalist or scientists, right,
or researchers or scientists.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Above and beyond.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah. So we often forget about how how much value
all these immigrants can bringto the country. Right? All these
technologies. Right?
The skills, knowledge
Speaker 1 (31:08):
get better Yeah. And create more jobs.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I've always been, like not an exact answer. If
someone let's say they get awork visa or some any category
of visa, and let's say they'rehere for eighteen months. I'm
just giving you a hypothetical.Is there anything in the law
that like, does it make iteasier for them to potentially
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apply for citizenship versussomeone who just wants to bring
their family here? Like, if youhave that visa and you've shown
and the work and they stillsponsor you, is it it it's kinda
like like if someone doesn't getinto UCI right away.
Mhmm. If they go to SaddlebackJunior College here, they have a
feeder program that gets intoUCI versus someone trying to
apply at UCI.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
If you correlate that into immigration, if someone
already has that work visa,potentially, does that help them
get to citizenship faster ifthat's something they even
desire?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I mean, it really depends on what type of category
too. So for example, my dad camehere through executive visa
called l one a. Right? Andthere's a green card option that
is called EB one c that is forexecutive employees as well.
Right.
Intra company transfer executiveas well. Right? So l one a and e
(32:25):
b one c green card, even thoughl one a is just for temporary
work visa and e b one a is forgreen card, the requirements for
both are very similar.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Right? So if you get an l one a visa first, then it
is much easier to obtain that eb one c green card because of
the very similar requirements.Right?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Met, let's say, most of, you know
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Of the requirements they need to get the green card
anyway. Right?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So it really depends on what categories we're talking
about. Yeah. Or sometimes youjust don't need that type of
visas or other temporary workvisas if you're married to a US
citizen. Right, then it's areally fast track A little
easier. Right?
Very easy. Yeah. A little biteasier and fast track to obtain
a green card. Right? So itreally depends on what type of,
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you know, visa categories orgreen card categories we're
talking about.
There's Family, there arebusiness category. And then
within the category, there areso many different types.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So yes and no sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's probably constantly changing. Yes. I
mean, I would imagine every timean administration comes, it
changes, good or bad. I'dimagine anytime something
happens, whether maybe it'swithin the confines of that
administration's administration,that maybe there's something
else that changes. Right?
I mean, I'm sure law most of ourfriends who are mutual friends
(33:46):
would know this. I always wantedto be an attorney. Mhmm. But I
didn't like school.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So after
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I got my bachelor's degree, I said I'm not going to
law school for sure. Okay. AndI'm sure every category of law
is constantly changing. This hasbeen a hot topic with really the
last four administrations, maybeeven five. I would imagine you
are seeing trying to stay up todate on all of the changes and
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modifications and enhancementsis probably almost like full
time job
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Just to make sure.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah. It's so funny how you mentioned that. I was
calculating how many years ofexperience that I had.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So I started working as a paralegal, you know, fresh
out of college. Yeah. So it'sbeen eighteen years Wow. Since I
started working in theimmigration industry.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, real quick. Always immigration?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Always immigration. That
Speaker 1 (34:35):
was what you Yes. Did, and that's
Speaker 2 (34:36):
what you
Speaker 1 (34:37):
started in?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, I try to, you know, do internship and try to
work for, you know, generalpractice firm here and there,
like, during and after lawschool, but my entire career has
been in immigration. Yeah. Soeighteen years as as a, you
know, professional and thenthirteen years as an attorney.
Yeah. So combining totaleighteen years, so I was very
surprised.
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Meaning, I went through manydifferent administrations Yeah.
Right, including Obama, youknow, Biden Yeah. Two Trumps. So
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right. And everyone was some similarities, a lot of
differences. Right? Yes. And andand, obviously, you know, with
what Obama and Biden did, it wasa little more aligned.
Right? Because they were justmore aligned. Yes. Obviously,
the first Trump administrationwant he, you know, he wants to
make an impact. I tell peopleall the time, whether you voted
for him or not, he wants to comein and make big impacts, and
(35:27):
that's his personality.
Whether people agree with it ornot, that's the truth. Yeah. And
so he'll typically his pendulumshift is greater than most.
Right? And he's super passionateabout immigration.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So, anyway, I could imagine when you're going from
one administration to anotherYeah. Where one wants to be so
empowered and powerful on it,and then you go from and then
you get to Biden where he wantedto make a statement to pull that
back a little bit. Right?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Make it
Speaker 1 (35:54):
over easy. And then Trump comes in, and now he wants
to make a a big impact. So yourpendulum swings have not just
been normal market shifts.They've been significant.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes. A lot of people ask me how you do it. How you
how do you maintain your sanity?That's what a lot of people ask
me. And then it's so funny.
Yesterday, I actually metanother fellow immigration
attorney friend at one of thosenetworking meetings. Yeah. And I
asked him, oh, did you see thatpolicy update, you know, release
of the new policy about the NTAthat can still be issued to a
(36:26):
marriage based green cardbeneficiary. And he goes, which
update are you talking about?Right?
Like, which one? Good. Becausethere are too many updates. So
many of them, so we can hardlykeep up, you know, keep up with
all these updates.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
But funny enough, like, there's so many constant
changes. Yeah. So one of the bigchanges that was released last
Friday was that they can stillissue something called NTA,
notice to appear, meaning it'sthe start of the removal
process. Right? Right?
Like deportation process. Yeah.So NTA can still be issued for
someone who's married to a UScitizen who legally entered The
(37:02):
US, not illegally, legallyentered The US but happen to
overstay, even just a few fewmonths.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Because they get a finite amount of time, right, to
visit. Mhmm. And then if theydon't have whatever permission
to extend that visit
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And they overstay.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That they overstay.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Or maybe some sometimes mistake happen. Right?
So they get to overstay. Right?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Something.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah. So things happen. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Without their intention. Right?And sometimes a lot of people
tend happen to overstay Yeah.Without planning to overstay.
Right?
So even though that happens, youyou may still get the NTA.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
To appear.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It used to be sort of like a free pass.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
If you're if you're married to a US citizen Yeah.
Then even if you overstayedYeah. You usually don't get
don't, you know, go through thatNTA pros like, removal process.
Yeah. But the policy came outlast Friday Yeah.
That they can still be issued onNTA and might be able might have
to present their case in frontof the immigration judge in
court, which is a very crazy bignews in our industry.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, I'm gonna say some things that you're not
allowed to
Speaker 2 (38:15):
say. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
And I'll go back and reference for a second. I am a
massive fan of legalimmigration.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm not a fan of illegal immigration. Mhmm. I'm
also not a fan. I'm obviouslynot the president, and it's easy
to look back and say, theyshould have done it this way.
They should have done theyshould one of the things I
struggle with, Trump, you're notallowed to say anything right
now, is I actually support andand I'll I have some people that
(38:47):
we have healthy disagreementson.
I actually support his theory oflegal immigration. Mhmm. The
problem is, which is typical forhim, is his execution. Mhmm.
When he first started talkingabout the criminals,
incarcerated, some of thosethings and, again, varying
opinions.
I'm all for it. Mhmm. Deportthem. I don't wanna pay for
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them. They're criminals,whatever.
I also understand the defense ofif they're here illegally,
they're criminal. And by theway, by the lord of the law,
they are. That's true. I justfeel like the person that's
married so you have a marriedcitizen and someone who came in
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legally who is in the process oftrying to become legal.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I'm gonna imagine he just wanted to make one fell
swoop and just generalize it.But, unfortunately, prior to his
administration, there was a lotof people who are trying to do
it the right way. And I knowit's impossible to find every
single person. Right. I justwish execution of what he did.
Mhmm. I'm all for getting rid ofthe criminals that are in jail.
(39:59):
Get rid of them. Mhmm. I'm a fanof strengthening the borders.
That that's just an opinion.Mhmm. I almost and I know he
doesn't care about Democrats.Mhmm. I almost wish he would
have got rid of the criminals,strengthened the borders, and
then paused for a little bitbecause he could have gotten a
huge win from Republicans andDemocrats, and I'm no
(40:19):
politician.
Mhmm. He could have gone becausethe people on his side of the
aisle were like, god, he wasreally aggressive. The people on
the other side of the were like,he's a terrible human being.
Yeah. I think so many peoplewould have supported him, and
you're not allowed to offer anopinion on this because you're
an attorney.
I just wish he would have done alittle bit of it differently
because I felt like he reallycould have aligned with, I want
people to be here who wanna doit legally, and I don't want
(40:42):
people to be here who wanna doit illegally. Mhmm. And so that
was just more of my commentaryto you of there's so much
misinformation out there. Mhmm.But I felt like he had an
opportunity to bring bothparties together, which he
doesn't like to do all the time
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
And say, we're gonna strengthen our borders to
prevent more from coming in.We're gonna try and figure out
this mess that we have. Mhmm.And I wanna get rid of the bad
guys. Mhmm.
And I felt like he coulda hadsuch a win with it would have
been hard for the Democrats toargue his logic around that.
Mhmm. So with that dissertation,I don't want you to say anything
because you're probably notallowed to. Here's here's one
(41:18):
thing I do wanna talk about thatrelates to that a little bit.
Yeah.
If somebody's in the and if youcan't answer it, tell me. If
someone's in the process ofgoing through it
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And next week, like they're doing it the right way,
and next week, there's anupdate, let's say
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Do they get to grandfather in from the previous
one, or does now the new updatebecome precedent?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It all depends on their decision. Yeah. They
sometimes grandfather it. Theysometimes say effective as off.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So real quick, just to interrupt. I like to
interrupt because it's mypodcast. Does that mean does
typically that change show that?Does it say like, hey. But
they're grandfathered oreffective immediately so that if
you're even in the process, toolate.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Usually, they they would clearly indicate it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And just going back to your previous comments or
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I just wanna get you off the hook if you want to.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah. I totally agree with you. And even even though
I'm an immigrant myself, I amagainst illegal immigrants
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, who cross the border and try to enter our
country illegally. I'm I'm notfor it. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But there are so many situations where people are
without their bad intention
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Or, you know, plan. Right? Sometimes you're brought
to this country, for example,minor minor children.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
When their parents decide to cross the border for,
of course, better life foreveryone. Sure. Of course. They
are two years old. Yeah.
Three years old. Right? And theycome to this country, and
suddenly, they realize thatthey're here illegally. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
So that is just one example. Right? Yeah. And asylum
seekers and refugees and allthat. Right?
So there are so many differentexceptions. Right? Yeah. Where
we're also talking about thevictims, vulnerable human
beings. Right?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
There's a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
A lot of them.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
So instead of generalizing illegal immigrants
as bad actors and Right. Youknow, criminals and we have to
get rid of them, I wish therewere more opportunities to sort
of categorize things so thatthere's enough and more fair and
reasonable exceptions. Right?But I also think that there
(43:35):
wasn't enough time, right, forhim, for Trump to execute
everything exceptions and put itin writing in the regulations
and, you know, get bipartisansupport and Right. Put it pass
that into law.
So I understand
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Why this current administration was trying trying
so hard to literally moving andshaking things. Right? Yeah.
Because sometimes you just haveto take action, right, to make
some big grandiose changes. Ofcourse.
Right? But I wish there weresome a group of very group of
expert with deep immigrationknowledge, right, on his side
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Who can sort of give him very detailed analysis of
what what can potentially happenwhen we make this cup this type
of changes and what kind ofexceptions we want to implement,
right, so that we can protectmore vulnerable Yeah. Illegal
immigrants.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Choose to to
Speaker 2 (44:29):
be People who didn't choose to be in that position,
in that shoes. Right? Yeah. So Ithink it takes time. There's no
right or wrong answer to this,and I don't wanna get into this
political It's But you know whatI'm saying?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Perfectly. Yeah. I
Speaker 2 (44:42):
So I think we we need to give give this administration
some time Yeah. To flatten thatout and, I mean, iron that out
situation. Yeah. But yeah. It itbecause of that during that
process, because, you know, theyhad limited time Yeah.
And they really wanted toexecute
Speaker 1 (45:03):
They did.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
A lot of victims Yeah. Were created,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, I think I'll wrap this up on the immigration
stuff. Yeah. I'm fascinated bybecause you you have an approach
to it. Like, I I love thatyou're very balanced on it.
Like, believe in a certainthing, and you would have liked
to see it done a different way,and you're not denouncing or
criticizing.
You're saying, hey. I like this.I I didn't really like that. And
(45:28):
and you're doing it tactfully ina way that's like, this is
really, like like, you know,what I believe in. I feel like I
feel like sometimes people thinkthey need to get a big win right
out of the gate.
And, again, I appreciate thepolitical pressure he was under
because of what he said he wasgonna do Before.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Before the election.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I just don't think he realized how powerful because it
it seems to be a little bit of arecurring theme that that some
of the people that are herelegally that were immigrants
have said, we are all for legalimmigration. We're not for
illegal immigration. And butthere are and to bring this full
(46:10):
circle, regardless of what hedid, there was gonna be some
collateral damage. Right now,the collateral damage is some
vulnerable people going throughsome traumatic things of being
removed and some of thosethings. If he wouldn't have done
it, there would have been thethe one case of the person that
got to stay that killed someoneor robbed a bank.
Collateral damage either way.Yeah. I respect his decision to
(46:32):
make a change, but it's likeanything I just it's like in the
same in my business. I respectindustry changes to protect
consumers.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't always agree with the execution of it. Mhmm.
So okay. Listen. Gotta I gottawrap up.
I wanna talk about a couple morereal quick personal things.
Okay. I wanna tell yousomething. I learned more in the
last forty minutes with youabout what people are going
through. Mhmm.
And I love that, and I get whyyou're so passionate about it. I
I mean it. I've heard you speak.I've heard people talk about
(47:00):
thanking you for helping theirfriends and colleagues and
businesses and stuff like that.I just I feel like I learned so
much.
Like, I'm way more knowledgeableabout what's really going on and
and really how things work.Mhmm. Let's wrap up with a
couple personal things. Okay. Idon't wanna say this word wrong,
but I might.
Favorite last meal, omasaki. DidI say that right? Yeah. Omasaki.
(47:22):
Omasaki.
Yeah. And so for the audiencemembers who don't know, if I
understand it because I lookedit up, omasaki is when you go
somewhere and you don't orderanything and you let the chef
just bring you food.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
One by one.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
One by one. Yeah. And so let me ask you a question.
I'm a finicky eater. Mhmm.
If I go to Korea, don't laugh.Can I say, I want omasaki? Just
don't give me any squid or orsomething. Or is it you go in an
omasaki, and they're gonnathey're gonna bring you what
they want?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I think you can definitely tell them what you're
allergic to and what you don'twanna have. But when it comes to
your preference, personalpreference Yeah. Other than
allergic reaction Yeah. I thinkit'll be a little bit difficult
because it'll hurt the thechef's pride.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I was just gonna say
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You don't wanna hurt their pride or get into their
And what
Speaker 1 (48:14):
are you is it seafood? Is it soups?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Is it sushi? Sushi. Sushi. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Because sushi is one of my favorite dishes. Mhmm. So
if I go to Korea Mhmm. And I doit that way, they're just gonna
bring me whatever theirspecialty of sushi is. Now I
think I would love that.
Yeah. I don't think I would likeif someone surprised me with
some sort
Speaker 2 (48:36):
of brain or no. You're not gonna be thing.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah. And and so can you do that at Korean
restaurants here, or is itreally when you're in Korea?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
It's more specialized, you know, dining
experience in Japan. Yeah. Yeah.For when you go to Korea, I'm
not sure if they have that kindof omakase type of dinner
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Other than, like, Japanese restaurant in Korea.
Sure. But if you're talkingabout authentic Korean food
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think it's more of we just bring every dishes all
in one table, almost like thetable is about to break. Yeah.
So you they put out all thisvariety of different side dishes
with main rice and soup. Yeah.It's so colorful and so pretty.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I'm gonna do that when I go there.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Cannot wait to tell you where to go.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yes. Yes. Can tell how passionate and knowledgeable
and educated Evelyn is. She'snot passionate about immigration
because, you know, it'simmigration. Her family came
here to this country, and she'sso passionate about it.
And you would serve you and yourclients well if you needed help
(49:50):
in that area to meet with her. Iwant you to look in that camera.
Okay. And I want you to tellpeople, whether it's a phone or
an email or website, how theycan try and reach out to you if
they wanna connect with you.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah. You can all always find my website. Find me
on my website, which iswww.evelynmoon.com. That's my
name, evelynmoon.com. And then Ihave Instagram, Evelyn Moon Law.
That's my Instagram handle. AndI'm on my LinkedIn, Evelyn Moon.
You can just, you know, searchme on LinkedIn. Yeah. I think
that's about it.
And I think I have TikTokaccount, but I rarely use it.
(50:22):
I'm not a Gen Z or youngergeneration. So I stay away from
TikTok.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Our generation seems to be a little bit more in the
Instagram and and Facebook.Facebook. And I don't need one
more social media platform totry and integrate. I'm I'm so
grateful that we got to sitdown. I love on those boys.
I love that you wanna freezetime because you're gonna turn
around one day, and they'regonna be dating a girl, and
you're gonna be sick to yourstomach. But but the boys always
come home to mama. That's whatthey do. My my two sons I'm very
(50:51):
close. My two sons love theirmom more than me, which I get.
My daughter and I are a littlebit more connected. So the good
news for you is your boys willalways love you more than anyone
else. And so you're you're gonnabe fine trying to free some
time. I wish you luck on yourquest because I love how
passionate you are aboutsomething that's a a difficult
landscape right now, but you doit with some grace and some joy
(51:14):
and and some balance. And so I Ican't wait to see how many more
people you're able to help.
So thanks for coming on, Evelyn.I really enjoyed our time.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much
for having me, Chris.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah. You're welcome. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you
next time.
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