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February 26, 2025 22 mins

This episode’s question is about preventing dog-to-dog resource guarding:

“Can’t seem to find it in the video; what is the protocol to work against food aggression within the litter? We have been doing marrow bones and resource guard training with people, but a few puppies are showing aggression to the other puppies at meal times. Any info appreciated, thanks!”

In this episode I discuss:

  • Why protocols for dog-to-dog resource guarding are not as effective as protocols for dog-to-human resource guarding.
  • Five golden tips I have found helpful for preventing dog-to-dog resource guarding
  • ​Thoughts about dog-to-dog resource guarding and breeding programs

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(00:00):
I'm Jane Messineo Lindquist,
and this is a Puppy CulturePotluck podcast.
You bring the topics,
we bring the conversation.

(00:20):
In this episode,we're going to be talking about
resource guarding between dogs.
So not resourceguarding things from people,
but dogs who’ll resource
guard things from other dogs.

And here's the question: I can't seem to find it in the video. (00:37):
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What is the protocol to workagainst food aggression within the litter?
We've been doing marrow bones and resourceguarding training with people,
but a few of the puppies are showingaggression
toward the other puppies at mealtimes.

(00:59):
Any info appreciated?
Thanks.
Okay. Me again.
The reason she can't find it
is it's not in there.
I'm going to talk about whythat is why I didn't
include dog to dog resourceguarding protocols in Puppy Culture.

(01:19):
And I'm also going to talk about some tips
for preventing and managing resourceguarding between dogs.
So two reasons I did not include
dog dog resourceguarding in Puppy Culture.
Number one dog to dog resource guarding

(01:40):
probably has a much stronger
genetic component than dog to human
resource guarding.
And the reasonI think is pretty intuitive.
We can tolerate a dog
that, for instance, can't have a bone,share a bone with another dog,
or has to eatseparately from the other dogs.

(02:03):
But you know who's going to sign upfor breeding a dog that you can't even go
near its food dish when it's eating, oryou can't take chew objects away from it,
or it won't let you on the couchwhen you want to get on the couch.
I think it's not most people's ideaof the ideal temperament for a dog.
So the genetics of resource guarding

(02:27):
against humans has been very heavilyselected against by breeders
in a way that dog to dog
resource guarding has not been. Now,
I know there's going to be a numberof people listening to this thinking,
well, but why don't breeders selectagainst this dog to dog resource guarding?

(02:50):
And I'm
going to ask you to put a pin in thatbecause I'm going to talk about it later.
But suffice it to sayit's it's a much more complicated,
algorithm than it would at first seem.
The second reason
I haven't done dog to dog resourceguarding protocols is

(03:13):
you're working with two dogs.
If you've ever done anti resource
guarding protocols,you know how precise you have to be
with your timing and how clearyou have to be with your body language.
Jean Donaldson does an
amazing jobof explaining this in Puppy Culture.

(03:33):
I demonstrate very clearly each step,
how you have to hold the fooda certain way behind your back
so that you're presentingthe correct picture, how you have to be
crisp, one two, present this,and then this.
There has to be a certain order of eventsfor you to be creating
the correct conditioned response, andnot the incorrect conditioned response.

(03:57):
And before you even get to that pointof doing exchanges,
there has to be a whole counterconditioning and desensitization.
And yes, with puppies,you can run through that very quickly,
not do a lot of counterconditioning and desensitization, but
at every juncture, let's just establish
you do have to have really goodtiming and body language

(04:22):
and be very, thoughtfulabout the way that you proceed with this.
So now you see, when you have
the second dog as your trainer,
why this could be a problem.
You really can't control the second dog.
So a lot of times that dog is going to be

(04:43):
giving the wrong signal at the wrong time
and making things worse instead of better.
It is very difficult,
not impossible, but very difficult
to create positive,
conditioned emotional responseswhen you're dealing with dog on dog
resource guarding, because you've gotthis wild card of the second dog.

(05:08):
And I'm going to talka little bit more about that.
But those are the two reasons why
I didn't include it in Puppy Culture.
Dog to dog resource guarding protocols are
so dependent on the second dog
and so dependent on genetics
that it's not something, in

(05:30):
my opinion, that is susceptible
to a single set of universal protocols.
There's a lot more nuance involved in it.
Okay.
All that having been said,
I do have five golden tips

(05:51):
that I have found helpful over the years.
First tip,now we're talking about puppies.
Okay?
I'm talking about a breederwho has a litter of puppies.
Always make sure that there is way more
of whatever food or bones or resource

(06:12):
than the puppies could possiblyeat or use.
So double the amount of meaty bones
and there should always be foodleft in the dish.
Absolutely genetic resourceguarding from other dogs
and from other people has nothing to dowith the amount of resource.

(06:33):
And this has been studied wherethey'll put a dog in, you know, a room
with 100 boxes of milk bones,just milk bones everywhere
and the dog will resourceguard everything.
So with especially with adult dogs,the amount
that you put inor give the dog doesn't influence.
It's not a needs based thing.

(06:53):
However,
in my observation, there's some truthto the fact that puppies
that feel deprivation very early in lifethat it can sort of trigger this genetic,
the sleeping genetics of resource guardingagainst other people and other dogs.
So start with more resourcesthan they could possibly use.

(07:16):
At least you're checking that box offthat you're not going to be inadvertently
triggering resourceguarding in your puppies.
Regarding location, guarding,
particularly guarding of humanswhen you're holding one
puppy in your lap, feedthe ones that are not on your lap.

(07:40):
This has not been as big a deal for me
with my medium to large sized dogs,
but Magda Chiarella, who breeds NorwichTerriers,
has a whole protocol for thisbecause any dog that
is going to be a lap dog,
or would be spendinga lot of time on your lap or in your arms,

(08:01):
they can definitely start resourceguarding that space
both from people and other dogs.
I just want to
distinguish thisfrom what we show in Puppy Culture,
because what we show in PuppyCulture is a protocol that's designed
to condition a feeling of expectanthappiness when a person approaches, okay.

(08:27):
A person approaches,they add treats to the equation,
they go away,the puppy starts to feel yippy
when the person approaches.
This, feeding
the other dogs on the floorand not the puppy on the lap
is not creating a positive
feeling about the dogsthat are on the floor.

(08:51):
But it's doing two things.
Number one, it's
lowering the value of the lapand raising the value of the floor.
Because now all this food stuffis happening on the floor, not the lap.
So that's one thing.
Number two, it's maybe not

(09:13):
creating a positivefeeling about the dogs on the floor,
but it's keeping the dogs on the floor
from creating a negative feelingbecause they'll tend to stay
more on the floor and not try and broachthe the puppies space, the puppy
that's on the person's lap,or in the puppies or the person's arms.

(09:37):
So it's an elegant solution to the problemof not being able
to control the second dog and the messagesthat the second dog's giving.
But that brings us to my third tip,
which is more of a cautionary tale.
I had a litter about ten years ago,

(09:59):
and I tried using a manners minder,
which is a remote treat dispenser,
to create a, positive association
for my puppies with having another dog
walk past their crate.
We don't really have an issueso much with lap guarding,
because our dogs are too bigto fit in laps

(10:21):
for the most part,
but we do have some issues with dogs,guarding spaces
like crates from other dogs.
So this experiment had mixed results.
There were nine puppies,
and eight of the ninewound up with zero crate aggression,
but one of them wound up running into

(10:44):
any open crate and guarding it,if another dog walked into the room
And that dog has zero dogaggression and accepts even strange dogs
into our house without hesitation,she just learned to guard the crate
because every time a dog came around,there was food in the crate.
So again,
probably genetics play a very strong rolehere.

(11:08):
And again,the big dogs wouldn't always cooperate.
Sometimes they'd turn aroundand look when they heard the manners mind
or go off,
or they'd even approach the crate as theas the puppy was getting, the treats
so the wrong emotionalresponse was created.
I don't really have any advice for you,except probably it's not a good idea

(11:31):
to try this, and it's just an illustrationof how difficult it is
when you're working with multiple dogs,because you're trying to control
so many factorsthat you really can't control.
The fourth tip I'm going to share with you
is something that a very wisebreeder told me years ago,

(11:52):
and she said that your dogs
should always thinkthat you will protect their interests,
and if they
truly believethat you will protect their interests,
they will be much less likely to squabble
amongst themselves.

(12:12):
So pursuant to that,
this is what I do.
I take my puppies out individuallywith my most solid big dog.
So my whatever big dog I have in the housethat is the least resource guardy,
that's the dog I use for this exercise.
The big dog gets a treat,

(12:34):
then the puppy gets a treat.
I count to two and I repeat.
Big dog gets a treat.
Little dog gets a treat.
One, two.
Big dog gets a treat.
Little dog gets a treat.
One, two.
The puppy develops

(12:56):
a happy feeling about seeing the big dogget a treat,
because he knows in two beatshe's going to get a treat.
Again,
we go over the whole timing thingand how you hold your food
and everything in Puppy Culture,so I'm not going to rehash all that here,
but it's importantthat you get the order of events right,

(13:19):
that it's one two big dog,then little dog.
It's not the same time, it's big dog,then little dog,
then very important,
when I'm done,when I want to end this session,
I will take the last treat
and I will throw it away

(13:42):
across the room for the big dog.
So the big dog will go awayand find that treat.
Meanwhile, a puppy under 12 weeks old,
they just don't have the vision to see itbeing thrown so much at that age.
So the little dog,the puppy will stay with you
and you can feed that puppy a treatwhile that big dog

(14:04):
is across the room,getting that thrown treat.
What does that do?
It makes both animalsfeel that they got the last treat.
If you don't do this, you run the risk
of creating a negative associationfor the big dog.
You never want the big dog to think

(14:27):
when he sees the puppy get a treat
that his opportunity for treats is closed.
So this prevents that happening.
And my final tip on this is that
the most important thing I can tell you
is to be realisticabout your expectations.

(14:51):
It's just not fair to expect
dogs to share all the time.
In our house,
we never put down a high value toy or bone
when there's more than one dogin the room.
We never feed two dogs in the same room,
even if we think we could, we never do it.

(15:13):
Lots of dogs can't share.
One of my top two dogs ever
for lack of dog aggressionand incredible dog skills, was Zulu.
Zulu was my not just not dog aggressive.
She was my neutral dog for seminars.
I mean, literally a dog could fireoff on her and she would just stand there.

(15:37):
This dog,
I mean, there was nothingI asked of her that she wouldn't do.
She had excellent level agility titles.
She did rally. She did swimming.
She was a champion.
She was a ROM champion.
Group placements. Best in specialty show.
The best mother.

(15:58):
Hands down I ever had.
Unbelievable with her puppies.
I could do any benched show and sit
with her in my lap the entire day.
And hundreds of people could come upand just molest this dog,
just pat her all day longand she would sleep on her back in my lap.

(16:22):
Champion, ROM
champion, brood bitchand Meredith's offspring.
Grandmother. Great grandmother.
Great great grandmother.
Great great great grandmotherof ROM champions every generation down.
There is nothingthis dog did not deliver for me.
But you know what?

(16:42):
She could not be fed in the same roomas another dog.
I think I owed her that modicum of respect
to give her privacy when she ate.
So now let's talk about breeding programs
and dog on dog resource guarding.

(17:03):
If having dogs that never resource guard
from each otheris of deep importance to you as a breeder.
You need to make that a top priorityand select for it.
As you can guess, I am in no way saying
this should be your top priority.

(17:24):
But I will say that resource guarding
has a strong genetic component,so if you don't like it,
you really should select against it.
The way it sorts out for mein my breeding program
when it comes to dogs, resource guarding
against other dogs is this.

(17:47):
I have a breedthat is notoriously difficult
to run in packs,and I've done a fair amount of rescue.
And I'll tell you, it'sjust much easier to place dogs
that don't resourceguard against other dogs.
So with no doubt, lack of resource

(18:09):
guarding against other dogs is a virtue.
But as a breeder
for me, I look at this particular trait
more as a virtue to be bred for
then something necessarilyto be selected against.

(18:30):
So if I have a dog that can be fed
with other dogs and never guards me or
my possessions, or chew objectsfrom any of the other dogs,
that's more of an exceptional dogthat I would want to breed for that trait.
I would want to breed that dog,even if that dog didn't have
other virtues,that would be a virtue worth breeding for.

(18:54):
In my opinion, in my breed.
But I would not exclude an
otherwise virtuous dogfrom my breeding program
because they couldn't be fedwith other dogs.
To be clear here,
what I'm talking aboutis resource guarding from other dogs.

(19:14):
Okay? It's not dog aggression.
These are two completely separate
thingsthat spring from different genetic wells.
And I'm not going to get into my positionon dog aggression
except to say it's very different for me.
Dog aggressionis very different for me than a dog
that will resource guard from another dog.

(19:37):
So in sum
I would say when it comes to anti resourceguarding protocols for puppies,
for very young puppiesyour best offense is a good defense.
Try and set things up earlyon so those puppies never feel
the need to resource guard

(19:59):
because it is geneticallycontrolled to a large extent
and some of it is beyond your control,
but it is my observation
that there is a segment of dogs
that may be geneticallycould be predisposed to resource guard,

(20:21):
but if it's not triggered by early lifeevents,
it will never emerge.
I don't think there'sa particularly effective
dog on dog resourceguarding protocol out there.
I do think it's something that'scontrolled a great deal by genetics,
and that becomes a decision treefor you as a breeder.

(20:42):
But you know, you can have an influence.
And that's what I shared with youin this podcast.
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(21:03):
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Thanks for listening. Bye bye.
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