May 26, 2025 • 8 mins
After spending the last couple of months processing things and educating herself, Carina has now revealed the untold story about the night everything changed during this season's Married At First Sight.
Listen to Carina's new podcast, This Is Chaos, and her full discussion on this here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to the Mathspony Podcast with Me
Joshua Fox, and today, guys, we're talking about the night
during this year's season where everything changed, the evening where
Paul punched the door. The season then became overshadowed with
a discussion around domestic violence, and every single person had
(00:20):
not just an opinion, but a very strong opinion that
they were then very vocal about. Some people said it
was all blown out of proportion and that Paul did
nothing wrong. I said that he should have been removed
from the show to set an example to Australia, which
a lot of other people believed. Other people even said
that Carona had an obligation to have done more at
(00:42):
the time. Reacted differently and they feel like she let
down victims of domestic violence by not making what happened
like a bigger deal at the time, which I think
is terribly unfair to say. And as this was all
airing on TV and Match, you guys may remember I
did it do a brief chat with Karina which was
(01:02):
her only chat about this at the time, and I'll
never forget when she said this about it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We all went out and had lots of fun that day,
and there's like a bit of backstory behind what actually.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Happened that led up to the incident.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said what I said, and
that was all off camera, so no.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But still like nothing you did I said would justify
that reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I think I was just so overwhelmed. I was
still in shock. I was I was not scared. I'm
not going to say I was scared. You're sleep deprived
in the experiment, you're running off like fumed technically, lots
of coffee and so all your emotions are all over
the shop.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And that still makes me sad to listen to because
all those months later, like she still thought that it
was her fault somehow, that he reacted angrily to something
she said, and like she felt like, you know, like
it was on her what happened. And that day when
I spoke to Karina, I realized that it wasn't my
place there as this result unfolding to like try and
(02:10):
make her see no or force my opinion on her.
But since then we have spoken quite a lot in private,
We've had chats about that, and she has shared with
me how she would like to kind of educate herself
more on this topic, as prior to Married at First Sight,
she had zero knowledge or experience of domestic violence in
(02:31):
any capacity other than maybe you know, seeing it on
TV and thinking it's very black and white. And then
when Karina recently decided that she was going to do
a podcast with her best friend and her stylish Jacob,
she asked me if I could maybe be involved in
some way or just advise her on like how to
tackle this subject and the things we've been speaking about privately,
(02:54):
because she does want to explore this as a topic
in the podcast to not just educate herself of like
potential red flags in future relationships, but like educate listeners
and her audience too, because she genuinely does still feel
like she let people down, which she didn't. But I
do think it's great that she has seen this conversation
which has started on this topic in Australia off the
(03:18):
back of what happened to her and she does want
to try to do something good with that and keep
it going, which is great. Anyway, fast forward to now
and the first episode of Karina's new podcast, which is
called This Is Chaos, is now out and although overall
like that podcast is going to be like a fun
entertainment take on fashion, beauty, pop culture, it is also
(03:42):
going to have so much more substance and depth as
they touch on bigger topics like this. And in the
first episode, Karina broke down exactly what happened that night
for the very first time, and she felt it was
important that she kind of shared this story, not in
a way of like trying to bring more negativity on Parutwood,
just to kind of say exactly what did happen, because
(04:02):
she hasn't said yet, And in order to move past
this and start doing positive things on this subject and
educating herself and people, she kind of has to actually
explain what happened, how she felt afterwards, and why it
took her a long time to realize how big of
a deal this was. And I suppose the main thing
(04:24):
I learned and you guys will learn listening to that
first episode is that we all believe that incident that
night occurred because Paul was angry that she admitted to
sleeping with a famous rapper, but there was actually so
much more to it, and Karina explained that the thing
that seemed to kind of anger Paul to the point
that maybe pushed him over the edge was when she
(04:44):
questioned him that night when they got back to their
apartment after he'd previously made like his own confession about
his sex life prior to the show during filming, which
was cut from TV. But like Karina's main point was, well, hey, Paul,
you said this on camera like to be included in
a national TV show. And I accepted that because that's
(05:06):
in your past. And then she was like and I've
just you know, said something in a lighthearted way about
my own past, and like, this is how you've reacted,
So what's acceptable what's not? Whereas the line here, why
can you tell me about yours? But I can't tell
you about mine? And then as they kind of had
that chat, he then like reacted as he did, and
(05:30):
I'll play you this little grab here from Karna's podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I remember him pacing in the apartment. And then I
was just kept saying sorry, sorry, sorry, And.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did you feel uncomfortable, Like did you feel in yourself
that your anxiety was going through the roof or.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Like did you feel uncomfortable? Not uncomfortable, not uncomfortable. It
wasn't like any yeah, but it was like us having
a fight, that's all. It was like us having a fight.
And I was like, but you know, you openly said
on national television in front of the cameras, miked up
everything that you had said to swingers, and you did
(06:06):
swingers with your ex fiance. So I was like, I
didn't think it was a bad thing. That was my past.
That's what I did back in the day, like I experienced.
I lived in America, Like, you know, I didn't think
anything of it. You know, I don't speak to the person.
I'm not, you know, it was just it just happened,
and I yeah, and I was like, I shouldn't have
said it anyway. He just kept saying, but but you
(06:28):
were saying this, but there's a butt, there's a butt,
And I was like, what do you mean there's a
but I'm saying, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Just apologize it. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And then I said, but you openly said that you
did swingers. So where's the juxtaposition between this, Like what
is okay and what's not okay? So you're allowed to
do that. I just have to deal with it. I
just have to accept it. But then when I said
something about my past sex life, you have a massive
blow up, right, anyway. So then he's like, nap, no,
I need more space than the space he had. Like
(06:59):
he was like he had steams coming out of his
head and he was angry and pacing and breathing heavily,
and so I was like, let's just go to bed.
I was like, let's go to bed, right, And so
we're laying in bed and I could hear him panting,
and I was.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like he could. He was so comfortable and angry and
he was like breathing heavily, and I was like, I
look over and I was like, what is going on?
I was like, are you okay? And he was like, no,
I'm not okay. And I was like, but what do
you mean. I was like, I'm trying. I was like,
I was like, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I was like, I'm getting nervous.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I was I get it, and I was like, this
is crazy. I was like, come on, Paul, like I've
apologized anyway, and I was like and then I got angry.
I was like, that's it. I'm going to bed. I
was like, I'm going to bed. So then I turn over.
Then oh my goodness. Then I remember he got up.
That was it. For him. Once I turned over and
I was like, nah, I'm going to bed. He got
up and he goes bang bang, and I was like,
(07:56):
holy shit.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I was initially going to like pull so many grabs
from that partodcast and maybe introduce each one and kind
of narrate the story. And I don't think that's right. Actually,
I think you guys should actually go search that podcast
This is Chaos and listen to the full episode yourself,
because this is Karina's story and this is the first
time she's telling it, and this is her, you know,
(08:18):
saying what happened to her, how she felt at the time,
and how she feels now. So yeah, it feels wrong
in a way for me to then just pull little
bits here there to like tell the story and maybe
a summarized way. So yeah, I would urge you all
to go search This is Chaos. I'll put the link
in the podcast description here so you can just click it,
(08:38):
and yeah, that's all for today. Have a lovely day, guys,
Hello, and welcome back to the Mathspony Podcast with Me
Joshua Fox, and today, guys, we're talking about the night
during this year's season where everything changed, the evening where
Paul punched the door. The season then became overshadowed with
a discussion around domestic violence, and every single person had
(00:20):
not just an opinion, but a very strong opinion that
they were then very vocal about. Some people said it
was all blown out of proportion and that Paul did
nothing wrong. I said that he should have been removed
from the show to set an example to Australia, which
a lot of other people believed. Other people even said
that Carona had an obligation to have done more at
(00:42):
the time. Reacted differently and they feel like she let
down victims of domestic violence by not making what happened
like a bigger deal at the time, which I think
is terribly unfair to say. And as this was all
airing on TV and Match, you guys may remember I
did it do a brief chat with Karina which was
(01:02):
her only chat about this at the time, and I'll
never forget when she said this about it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We all went out and had lots of fun that day,
and there's like a bit of backstory behind what actually.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Happened that led up to the incident.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said what I said, and
that was all off camera, so no.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But still like nothing you did I said would justify
that reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I think I was just so overwhelmed. I was
still in shock. I was I was not scared. I'm
not going to say I was scared. You're sleep deprived
in the experiment, you're running off like fumed technically, lots
of coffee and so all your emotions are all over
the shop.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And that still makes me sad to listen to because
all those months later, like she still thought that it
was her fault somehow, that he reacted angrily to something
she said, and like she felt like, you know, like
it was on her what happened. And that day when
I spoke to Karina, I realized that it wasn't my
place there as this result unfolding to like try and
(02:10):
make her see no or force my opinion on her.
But since then we have spoken quite a lot in private,
We've had chats about that, and she has shared with
me how she would like to kind of educate herself
more on this topic, as prior to Married at First Sight,
she had zero knowledge or experience of domestic violence in
(02:31):
any capacity other than maybe you know, seeing it on
TV and thinking it's very black and white. And then
when Karina recently decided that she was going to do
a podcast with her best friend and her stylish Jacob,
she asked me if I could maybe be involved in
some way or just advise her on like how to
tackle this subject and the things we've been speaking about privately,
(02:54):
because she does want to explore this as a topic
in the podcast to not just educate herself of like
potential red flags in future relationships, but like educate listeners
and her audience too, because she genuinely does still feel
like she let people down, which she didn't. But I
do think it's great that she has seen this conversation
which has started on this topic in Australia off the
(03:18):
back of what happened to her and she does want
to try to do something good with that and keep
it going, which is great. Anyway, fast forward to now
and the first episode of Karina's new podcast, which is
called This Is Chaos, is now out and although overall
like that podcast is going to be like a fun
entertainment take on fashion, beauty, pop culture, it is also
(03:42):
going to have so much more substance and depth as
they touch on bigger topics like this. And in the
first episode, Karina broke down exactly what happened that night
for the very first time, and she felt it was
important that she kind of shared this story, not in
a way of like trying to bring more negativity on Parutwood,
just to kind of say exactly what did happen, because
(04:02):
she hasn't said yet, And in order to move past
this and start doing positive things on this subject and
educating herself and people, she kind of has to actually
explain what happened, how she felt afterwards, and why it
took her a long time to realize how big of
a deal this was. And I suppose the main thing
(04:24):
I learned and you guys will learn listening to that
first episode is that we all believe that incident that
night occurred because Paul was angry that she admitted to
sleeping with a famous rapper, but there was actually so
much more to it, and Karina explained that the thing
that seemed to kind of anger Paul to the point
that maybe pushed him over the edge was when she
(04:44):
questioned him that night when they got back to their
apartment after he'd previously made like his own confession about
his sex life prior to the show during filming, which
was cut from TV. But like Karina's main point was, well, hey, Paul,
you said this on camera like to be included in
a national TV show. And I accepted that because that's
(05:06):
in your past. And then she was like and I've
just you know, said something in a lighthearted way about
my own past, and like, this is how you've reacted,
So what's acceptable what's not? Whereas the line here, why
can you tell me about yours? But I can't tell
you about mine? And then as they kind of had
that chat, he then like reacted as he did, and
(05:30):
I'll play you this little grab here from Karna's podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I remember him pacing in the apartment. And then I
was just kept saying sorry, sorry, sorry, And.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did you feel uncomfortable, Like did you feel in yourself
that your anxiety was going through the roof or.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Like did you feel uncomfortable? Not uncomfortable, not uncomfortable. It
wasn't like any yeah, but it was like us having
a fight, that's all. It was like us having a fight.
And I was like, but you know, you openly said
on national television in front of the cameras, miked up
everything that you had said to swingers, and you did
(06:06):
swingers with your ex fiance. So I was like, I
didn't think it was a bad thing. That was my past.
That's what I did back in the day, like I experienced.
I lived in America, Like, you know, I didn't think
anything of it. You know, I don't speak to the person.
I'm not, you know, it was just it just happened,
and I yeah, and I was like, I shouldn't have
said it anyway. He just kept saying, but but you
(06:28):
were saying this, but there's a butt, there's a butt,
And I was like, what do you mean there's a
but I'm saying, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Just apologize it. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And then I said, but you openly said that you
did swingers. So where's the juxtaposition between this, Like what
is okay and what's not okay? So you're allowed to
do that. I just have to deal with it. I
just have to accept it. But then when I said
something about my past sex life, you have a massive
blow up, right, anyway. So then he's like, nap, no,
I need more space than the space he had. Like
(06:59):
he was like he had steams coming out of his
head and he was angry and pacing and breathing heavily,
and so I was like, let's just go to bed.
I was like, let's go to bed, right, And so
we're laying in bed and I could hear him panting,
and I was.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like he could. He was so comfortable and angry and
he was like breathing heavily, and I was like, I
look over and I was like, what is going on?
I was like, are you okay? And he was like, no,
I'm not okay. And I was like, but what do
you mean. I was like, I'm trying. I was like,
I was like, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I was like, I'm getting nervous.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I was I get it, and I was like, this
is crazy. I was like, come on, Paul, like I've
apologized anyway, and I was like and then I got angry.
I was like, that's it. I'm going to bed. I
was like, I'm going to bed. So then I turn over.
Then oh my goodness. Then I remember he got up.
That was it. For him. Once I turned over and
I was like, nah, I'm going to bed. He got
up and he goes bang bang, and I was like,
(07:56):
holy shit.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I was initially going to like pull so many grabs
from that partodcast and maybe introduce each one and kind
of narrate the story. And I don't think that's right. Actually,
I think you guys should actually go search that podcast
This is Chaos and listen to the full episode yourself,
because this is Karina's story and this is the first
time she's telling it, and this is her, you know,
(08:18):
saying what happened to her, how she felt at the time,
and how she feels now. So yeah, it feels wrong
in a way for me to then just pull little
bits here there to like tell the story and maybe
a summarized way. So yeah, I would urge you all
to go search This is Chaos. I'll put the link
in the podcast description here so you can just click it,
(08:38):
and yeah, that's all for today. Have a lovely day, guys,
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