June 16, 2025 • 12 mins
After listening to Rhi's full chat on Carina's new podcast This Is Chaos, one particular moment stood out to me on the topic of pregnancy speculation, babies and secret struggles. It's a reminder we all should have, especially the media, as we can often set the precedent on what is deemed acceptable to ask about.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to the Math twenty podcast with
Me Joshua Fox, and today's little episode Guys is based
off something Re said yesterday on Koreina's podcast This is Chaos,
and she touched on something that is actually a big
topic and it's randomly something I've been thinking about a
lot lately. And and before I play the grabs and
get into it, let me just set this up a
(00:21):
little bit. So since married at first I ended, everybody
obviously wants to know like what's next for the cast,
and as RhE and Jeff are the only lasting match,
the natural next announcement from them as a happy couple
now living together would either be a real engagement or
a pregnancy. Now. Firstly, on the idea of Re and
(00:42):
Jeff getting married for real, I wouldn't really hold out
for that, as Re said this on Karina's podcast, because.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You guys did get married on a reality show. Yeah,
what's your take on proper marriage? Like are you interested
in getting married or just.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You know what's really funny? I always said prior to
the show, marriage for me has never been something like
when women talk about I've always imagined my wedding to
be like this my dress to be like this, I
want to have this big wedding for me. I was
just like, I just want to find my person that
I have not a doubt in my mind about, and
(01:19):
that was my biggest concern. I think marriage for me,
it's really not a necessity. If my partner said, like,
I really want to get married one hundred percent, but
if I didn't get married, it wouldn't affect me, if
that makes sense, as much as a relationship is something
to be celebrated for, and people can celebrate that however
they like. But you know, if Jeff did turn around
(01:43):
and ask me to marry.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Him, I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So exciting. Look again, it's completely did you hear that? Jeff, Jeff?
Jeff Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And then, on the topic of any potential pregnancy or
future little Muff's baby, reactually then said something that I
think a lot of people should take notes of. In
recent weeks, a lot of people have randomly started speculating
and commenting now and again like, oh, is she pregnant?
I think she's pregnant, because you know, they might see
a picture where a certain angle or lighting may look like, oh,
(02:18):
is that a tiny bump? And then people get excited,
people ask people message her, and then alongside that, in
any press interview that Re or Jeff, now do they're
obviously asked about this, you know, their first ask, well,
are you pregnant? Really? We've seen comments and speculation, and
then when she says no, she's then asked, well do
you want children? Are you already trying? Have you picked
(02:39):
out names? How many do you want? You know, journalists
just want a headline. And if we answered a question going, oh,
we'd love twins and we've already chose the names. I
know that how the media works, you know, on the
front cover of that magazine, the next week would be
Rie and Jeff's announcement we're having twins. And obviously they're
not having twins. They've said maybe day, you know, that
(03:00):
would be the dream. Anyway, Sorry, I'm getting a little
sidetrack there. So yeah, here is retouching on this whole topic.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To Karina, yes, I'm not pregnant, although every article says
I am. And I think the weight game contributed to
the pregnancy comments. And then I saw a few comments
about me putting on weight, which is like, you know,
it just sucks that women have to explain their body
changes all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, like men don't.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I swear men don't have to do that as much
as we do.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No shit, it's like, sorry, our hormones are always up here.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Like get our periods.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You try being a man and getting a period.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
For when you have your period, you do look three
months pregnant for a couple of days there, but I
think you look. I was really honest with That's why
I was honest with putting on weight and why I
was starting a challenge, and because of the comments that
I was getting. But Jeff and I definitely want to
have kids at some stage. I think right now, it's
just we do want to just focus on, you know,
creating our home, like we've recently moved in together and
(03:57):
enjoying each other's company outside the experiment and we're both
doing our own thing. And as much as you know,
I am thirty five, I've got into metriosis. I was
told at twenty five I'll probably have trouble having children.
And they actually told me when I had surgery when
I was twenty five, I should have kids that year,
and I was like, I'm single.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh god, I just got goose bumps.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I know, so it'll be it'll be an interesting journey
I think when we do try and start having kids,
and it's definitely on the cards, but just not right
at this.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, and no pressure and don't let society pressure you
in those ways.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think it's just keep doing what you guys are
doing now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To me, res response that is important for two main reasons.
And the first one is why do we actually think
it is okay to comment on somebody's body and speculate,
you know, even if they're famous. You know, I think
often it's like, well, during the public eye, it's okay,
But actually is it okay? Would you want someone speculating
and your body if maybe you were a bit bloated
(04:56):
or you put a little bit away, and would you
want someone to go are you pregnant? Probably wouldn't. And
also in that response, rementioned how she suffers with endo.
She had surgery when she was twenty five and she
was told then, which that was I think ten years
ago now that she should probably have a baby that
year or she may have difficulty when she's ready to
eventually try. And you know, now knowing this, people speculating
(05:20):
and asking Rie about you know, are you pregnant, Are
you having a baby? It feels kind of like insensitive
and inappropriate, and obviously no one knew the background context there.
But I suppose the point I'm getting to here is
do we even need to know the background? Do we
need to know the backstory? Like or should we as
a society? And you know, fans of the show and
(05:41):
these people just make baby plans and pregnancy and all
of that just a no go topic unless the person
themselves brings it up. And don't get me wrong, I
know that there is really bad intent from people, and
people are just excited and with Rie and Jeff, the
idea of them starting a family one day is exciting
(06:02):
as we were all kind of on that journey watching
them fall in love. But I don't know. This is
just something I was thinking about this morning. And it's
funny actually, because for my actual day job, I work
on other podcasts and produce things and like various projects. Anyway,
one thing I work on is a podcast called Her
Best Life, which is with Jackie Out who I worked
(06:24):
with for the last couple of years on the radio
show as part of the team there. And then it's
Jackie and her best friend Gemma and a question they
answered in a recent episode was does Jackie ever feel
guilt or regret for only ever having one child? And
as Jackie answered that, they both then kind of discussed
how often in life, women who don't even want children
(06:47):
sometimes feel pressured into it because of these constant questions
and assumptions and yeah, I don't know. Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Do I ever regret or feel guilty about only having
one child?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You obviously have to and would like more. Yeah, And
for me the answer is no, I actually don't. Like
if I had have had another one, it would have
been out of obligational guilt.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
I think some women don't want children at all, and
that's fine as well. Like I feel like whatever works
for you as a woman, don't let society or pressure
or your partner or anything it dictates you should.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, and I think you will know in your heart
of hearts, You'll know, your gut feeling will tell you.
Yone always said I was going to be fine with one.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Hearing Jackie and Jemma have that conversation recently and then
listening to re on that podcast yesterday and even how
I think it was last week Jamie had to do
our post saying no, she's not pregnant, you know, because
of one single picture made it look like she had
the slightest bump. And then I just started thinking on
the drive to work this morning, like how much is
(07:51):
the media to blame for maybe normalizing this type of
questioning and comments, specifically, you know when it comes to celebrities,
people of shows, you know, the Rees, the Jamies, the Jackie's,
and you know, people we think we know, actually we don't.
And then I fought back to me age twenty one,
(08:12):
when I left my hometown, I was offered my first
ever job in the media as an intern for a
weekly celebrity magazine in London, and one of the first
things I was taught there is going into any interview.
I then started doing weekly with many celebrities, you know,
going into any one of those with a female celebrity,
(08:32):
I had to always ask the free bees, which is boys,
body and babies. And that is because, you know, the
editors of those magazines who were teaching me, because I
never studied journalism, like I learned on the job, so
I just listened and did as I was told. But
like those editors drilled into us how those free topics
would essentially sell on the cover. So you know, with boys,
(08:56):
are they dating? If not, why are you not dating?
If you are dating, you know, tell me every And
then with body you'd have to be like, oh, are
you happy with how you look at them? Innute? You know,
are you on a diet? Are you following any plans?
You have any goals to lose weight? Or like, are
you planning any cosmetic procedures? Boatoxx boo jobs like anything.
We just had to ask everything about bodies, and like
(09:20):
I look back on now and I touched on this
in my book, and I know that was mostly because
the editors would hope they would maybe mention some brief
insecurity or something that we could essentially then highlight as
a magazine and pretending it was, you know, to normalize them.
It wasn't. It was essentially just to kind of exploit
that insecurity and make people judge them for it, which
(09:43):
you know, I mean, I do talk about that in
my book, and I don't feel great looking back at it.
But then yeah, the last beat babies. When I'd go
into those interviews, you know, I'd have to ask, you know,
if they're dating someone, oh, are you planning babies, to
want babies together, and if they weren't with someone at
that time, I'd to ask, you know, would you like
to be a single parent, would you go down that
(10:04):
route of IVF or like are they at a certain
age and have to be like, oh, if you thought
about freezing your eggs? And you know, if they already
had a baby, you want another one? And actually it's
funny thinking back, because I was twenty one, I didn't
even know half these things meant. I'd get told like,
ask if they thought about freezing their eggs. I didn't
even know what that meant at the time. Sorry, again
getting sidetracked. And as I said, I touched on this
(10:26):
in my book while reflecting on my career, but I
didn't realize back then how every question I was being
told to ask was essentially reducing every woman in the
world to free topics because a bunch of other women
in a boardroom said, Hey, this is apparently the only
thing that all women want to read about and will
buy a magazine if it's mentioned on the cover. And
(10:48):
I suppose for a while now the last few years,
I thought like, thank god, we have all moved on
from that, and that mentality, but just this baby stuff lately,
I thought, well, actually, maybe we haven't, And then also
thinking like, you know those magazines, which is not as
many around it anymore, but for years, like every week
on the shelves, you know, in the supermarket by the tills,
(11:09):
week after week, every headline being centered around babies and pregnancies.
I suppose like essentially that normalized this type of questioning
in a stuff in a way that I suppose is
now continuing, just not via magazine covers, but via the
consumers of those on social media when they do go,
oh my god, are you pregnant because there might be
(11:31):
a slight bumb or whatever in a picture, and yeah,
I don't know. Just a few thoughts this morning from me,
a man who can never fully relate to this topic. Actually,
is this what man'splaining is? If I just said something
that never needed explaining. If so, please don't cancel me,
because I promise my intentions are good here. It's just
(11:52):
genuinely something I've been thinking about after hearing Jackie speak
about it, and then re and just seeing how you know,
every year when they're is a celebrity someone in maths,
where do you go are you pregnant, Are you pregnant?
Are you pregnant? Constantly? Are when you're having babies? And
maybe we all need to collectively move away from that
for now though. That is all I've got for you.
Have a lovely day.
Hello, and welcome back to the Math twenty podcast with
Me Joshua Fox, and today's little episode Guys is based
off something Re said yesterday on Koreina's podcast This is Chaos,
and she touched on something that is actually a big
topic and it's randomly something I've been thinking about a
lot lately. And and before I play the grabs and
get into it, let me just set this up a
(00:21):
little bit. So since married at first I ended, everybody
obviously wants to know like what's next for the cast,
and as RhE and Jeff are the only lasting match,
the natural next announcement from them as a happy couple
now living together would either be a real engagement or
a pregnancy. Now. Firstly, on the idea of Re and
(00:42):
Jeff getting married for real, I wouldn't really hold out
for that, as Re said this on Karina's podcast, because.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You guys did get married on a reality show. Yeah,
what's your take on proper marriage? Like are you interested
in getting married or just.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You know what's really funny? I always said prior to
the show, marriage for me has never been something like
when women talk about I've always imagined my wedding to
be like this my dress to be like this, I
want to have this big wedding for me. I was
just like, I just want to find my person that
I have not a doubt in my mind about, and
(01:19):
that was my biggest concern. I think marriage for me,
it's really not a necessity. If my partner said, like,
I really want to get married one hundred percent, but
if I didn't get married, it wouldn't affect me, if
that makes sense, as much as a relationship is something
to be celebrated for, and people can celebrate that however
they like. But you know, if Jeff did turn around
(01:43):
and ask me to marry.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Him, I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So exciting. Look again, it's completely did you hear that? Jeff, Jeff?
Jeff Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And then, on the topic of any potential pregnancy or
future little Muff's baby, reactually then said something that I
think a lot of people should take notes of. In
recent weeks, a lot of people have randomly started speculating
and commenting now and again like, oh, is she pregnant?
I think she's pregnant, because you know, they might see
a picture where a certain angle or lighting may look like, oh,
(02:18):
is that a tiny bump? And then people get excited,
people ask people message her, and then alongside that, in
any press interview that Re or Jeff, now do they're
obviously asked about this, you know, their first ask, well,
are you pregnant? Really? We've seen comments and speculation, and
then when she says no, she's then asked, well do
you want children? Are you already trying? Have you picked
(02:39):
out names? How many do you want? You know, journalists
just want a headline. And if we answered a question going, oh,
we'd love twins and we've already chose the names. I
know that how the media works, you know, on the
front cover of that magazine, the next week would be
Rie and Jeff's announcement we're having twins. And obviously they're
not having twins. They've said maybe day, you know, that
(03:00):
would be the dream. Anyway, Sorry, I'm getting a little
sidetrack there. So yeah, here is retouching on this whole topic.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To Karina, yes, I'm not pregnant, although every article says
I am. And I think the weight game contributed to
the pregnancy comments. And then I saw a few comments
about me putting on weight, which is like, you know,
it just sucks that women have to explain their body
changes all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, like men don't.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I swear men don't have to do that as much
as we do.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No shit, it's like, sorry, our hormones are always up here.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Like get our periods.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You try being a man and getting a period.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
For when you have your period, you do look three
months pregnant for a couple of days there, but I
think you look. I was really honest with That's why
I was honest with putting on weight and why I
was starting a challenge, and because of the comments that
I was getting. But Jeff and I definitely want to
have kids at some stage. I think right now, it's
just we do want to just focus on, you know,
creating our home, like we've recently moved in together and
(03:57):
enjoying each other's company outside the experiment and we're both
doing our own thing. And as much as you know,
I am thirty five, I've got into metriosis. I was
told at twenty five I'll probably have trouble having children.
And they actually told me when I had surgery when
I was twenty five, I should have kids that year,
and I was like, I'm single.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh god, I just got goose bumps.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I know, so it'll be it'll be an interesting journey
I think when we do try and start having kids,
and it's definitely on the cards, but just not right
at this.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, and no pressure and don't let society pressure you
in those ways.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think it's just keep doing what you guys are
doing now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To me, res response that is important for two main reasons.
And the first one is why do we actually think
it is okay to comment on somebody's body and speculate,
you know, even if they're famous. You know, I think
often it's like, well, during the public eye, it's okay,
But actually is it okay? Would you want someone speculating
and your body if maybe you were a bit bloated
(04:56):
or you put a little bit away, and would you
want someone to go are you pregnant? Probably wouldn't. And
also in that response, rementioned how she suffers with endo.
She had surgery when she was twenty five and she
was told then, which that was I think ten years
ago now that she should probably have a baby that
year or she may have difficulty when she's ready to
eventually try. And you know, now knowing this, people speculating
(05:20):
and asking Rie about you know, are you pregnant, Are
you having a baby? It feels kind of like insensitive
and inappropriate, and obviously no one knew the background context there.
But I suppose the point I'm getting to here is
do we even need to know the background? Do we
need to know the backstory? Like or should we as
a society? And you know, fans of the show and
(05:41):
these people just make baby plans and pregnancy and all
of that just a no go topic unless the person
themselves brings it up. And don't get me wrong, I
know that there is really bad intent from people, and
people are just excited and with Rie and Jeff, the
idea of them starting a family one day is exciting
(06:02):
as we were all kind of on that journey watching
them fall in love. But I don't know. This is
just something I was thinking about this morning. And it's
funny actually, because for my actual day job, I work
on other podcasts and produce things and like various projects. Anyway,
one thing I work on is a podcast called Her
Best Life, which is with Jackie Out who I worked
(06:24):
with for the last couple of years on the radio
show as part of the team there. And then it's
Jackie and her best friend Gemma and a question they
answered in a recent episode was does Jackie ever feel
guilt or regret for only ever having one child? And
as Jackie answered that, they both then kind of discussed
how often in life, women who don't even want children
(06:47):
sometimes feel pressured into it because of these constant questions
and assumptions and yeah, I don't know. Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Do I ever regret or feel guilty about only having
one child?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You obviously have to and would like more. Yeah, And
for me the answer is no, I actually don't. Like
if I had have had another one, it would have
been out of obligational guilt.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
I think some women don't want children at all, and
that's fine as well. Like I feel like whatever works
for you as a woman, don't let society or pressure
or your partner or anything it dictates you should.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, and I think you will know in your heart
of hearts, You'll know, your gut feeling will tell you.
Yone always said I was going to be fine with one.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Hearing Jackie and Jemma have that conversation recently and then
listening to re on that podcast yesterday and even how
I think it was last week Jamie had to do
our post saying no, she's not pregnant, you know, because
of one single picture made it look like she had
the slightest bump. And then I just started thinking on
the drive to work this morning, like how much is
(07:51):
the media to blame for maybe normalizing this type of
questioning and comments, specifically, you know when it comes to celebrities,
people of shows, you know, the Rees, the Jamies, the Jackie's,
and you know, people we think we know, actually we don't.
And then I fought back to me age twenty one,
(08:12):
when I left my hometown, I was offered my first
ever job in the media as an intern for a
weekly celebrity magazine in London, and one of the first
things I was taught there is going into any interview.
I then started doing weekly with many celebrities, you know,
going into any one of those with a female celebrity,
(08:32):
I had to always ask the free bees, which is boys,
body and babies. And that is because, you know, the
editors of those magazines who were teaching me, because I
never studied journalism, like I learned on the job, so
I just listened and did as I was told. But
like those editors drilled into us how those free topics
would essentially sell on the cover. So you know, with boys,
(08:56):
are they dating? If not, why are you not dating?
If you are dating, you know, tell me every And
then with body you'd have to be like, oh, are
you happy with how you look at them? Innute? You know,
are you on a diet? Are you following any plans?
You have any goals to lose weight? Or like, are
you planning any cosmetic procedures? Boatoxx boo jobs like anything.
We just had to ask everything about bodies, and like
(09:20):
I look back on now and I touched on this
in my book, and I know that was mostly because
the editors would hope they would maybe mention some brief
insecurity or something that we could essentially then highlight as
a magazine and pretending it was, you know, to normalize them.
It wasn't. It was essentially just to kind of exploit
that insecurity and make people judge them for it, which
(09:43):
you know, I mean, I do talk about that in
my book, and I don't feel great looking back at it.
But then yeah, the last beat babies. When I'd go
into those interviews, you know, I'd have to ask, you know,
if they're dating someone, oh, are you planning babies, to
want babies together, and if they weren't with someone at
that time, I'd to ask, you know, would you like
to be a single parent, would you go down that
(10:04):
route of IVF or like are they at a certain
age and have to be like, oh, if you thought
about freezing your eggs? And you know, if they already
had a baby, you want another one? And actually it's
funny thinking back, because I was twenty one, I didn't
even know half these things meant. I'd get told like,
ask if they thought about freezing their eggs. I didn't
even know what that meant at the time. Sorry, again
getting sidetracked. And as I said, I touched on this
(10:26):
in my book while reflecting on my career, but I
didn't realize back then how every question I was being
told to ask was essentially reducing every woman in the
world to free topics because a bunch of other women
in a boardroom said, Hey, this is apparently the only
thing that all women want to read about and will
buy a magazine if it's mentioned on the cover. And
(10:48):
I suppose for a while now the last few years,
I thought like, thank god, we have all moved on
from that, and that mentality, but just this baby stuff lately,
I thought, well, actually, maybe we haven't, And then also
thinking like, you know those magazines, which is not as
many around it anymore, but for years, like every week
on the shelves, you know, in the supermarket by the tills,
(11:09):
week after week, every headline being centered around babies and pregnancies.
I suppose like essentially that normalized this type of questioning
in a stuff in a way that I suppose is
now continuing, just not via magazine covers, but via the
consumers of those on social media when they do go,
oh my god, are you pregnant because there might be
(11:31):
a slight bumb or whatever in a picture, and yeah,
I don't know. Just a few thoughts this morning from me,
a man who can never fully relate to this topic. Actually,
is this what man'splaining is? If I just said something
that never needed explaining. If so, please don't cancel me,
because I promise my intentions are good here. It's just
(11:52):
genuinely something I've been thinking about after hearing Jackie speak
about it, and then re and just seeing how you know,
every year when they're is a celebrity someone in maths,
where do you go are you pregnant, Are you pregnant?
Are you pregnant? Constantly? Are when you're having babies? And
maybe we all need to collectively move away from that
for now though. That is all I've got for you.
Have a lovely day.
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