97. Javed Iqbal

Today we are talking about Javed Iqbal. His crimes send shockwaves across Pakistan, but his sentence was also a source of controversy. For our oddity today, we take a look at some bizarre headlines that actually made it to print.

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Sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/17/rorymccarthy 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/dec/04/jasonburke 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/585628.stm 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/bodies-found-after-suicide-note-claims-100-murders-1130464.html 

https://www.dawn.com/news/896 

https://www.dawn.com/news/717/lahore-javed-iqbal-accomplice-found-dead-in-jail 

https://www.indiatvnews.com/crime/news/serial-killer-javed-iqbal-who-sexually-abused-and-killed-2733.html#google_vignette 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/islamic-council-against-grisly-sentence/

https://www.sardarco.org/the-role-of-islamic-law-in-pakistans-legal-system/ 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/javed-iqbal https://murderpedia.org/male.I/i/iqbal-javed.htm#google_vignette 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal_(serial_killer)  

Oddity:

https://blog.newspapers.com/10-odd-stories-that-really-ran-in-newspapers/


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fucking hell, fucking took a turn.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
This podcast contains graphic descriptions that some listeners may find disturbing.
Listener discretion is advised. Now, with that being said, welcome
to the Mortal Musings podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Right, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sports commentators a bunch of bastards.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, sir, Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's just chat a load of shift. They know no
more than I do. Well, maybe a little bit more
than I personally. Well, they do no more, but wow,
it's available.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
So the two sports I watch mainly is boxing and speedway.
It's usually X boxes or X speedway riders who are commentators.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
In fact, there was a speedway commentator I can't remember
his name now, but he died a couple of year back.
Oh he did the commentary for darts as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I can't remember. I know you're
on a boat yet.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah he was, he was grand, he was okay. And
then there's another commentator who used to commentate with him
called Kelvin Tatum. Now he was a speedway rider. He
was a really good speedway rider. Some of the ship
what comes out of his mouth like it? Right, So
there's a rider called Chris Harris who's British. And then

(01:34):
there's a speedway rider called Chris Holder who was Australian.
I was watching a speedway race the other day and
Chris Holder was riding and he rode around the outside
of someone and took the lead on the race. And
Kelvin Tatum is there on a move by Chris Harris,
and it's like Chris harrison't even in the meeting, he'sn't
even riding tonight. So even getting the names wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, well, I mean that's something I've noticed now. I
don't want to be too harsh on people because I
I'm no good with pronunciations.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Give me some when they're getting spent, like when they're
getting paid some good money. At least get the fucking
name right.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, I know what you're saying, but it's it's more
difficult than you think. I will read something, yeah, but
when i'm reading it, before I've looked up the pronunciation,
I'll get in my head of what I think the
name is, and as I'm typing, I'll keep saying it
that way in my head. Then I look up the
pronunciation and I'd be like, we right, it's this it's this,
it's this, it's this, and then as soon as I

(02:34):
got to read it, it's like no idea, it's completely
gone yea, And for them it is live. So it's
a little bit more of a bollox, but I mean
it's It's also like, as someone in Irish, I get
very annoyed with the Brits because they cannot pronounce Irish
names at all, which look, some of them are more difficult,
but you're used to a lot of them by now.

(02:55):
I mean the UK is infested with Irish.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yes, So come on, Nuds, I'll tell you someone else. Right,
there's a couple more things with Kelvin Tatum, right, you've
you've poked the bearrier now right. He likes to try
and make catchphrases and tries getting into land and they
never fucking do. But he'll continue to use that.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh just a bit of a that's so fetch kind
of guy.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, hang on, let me think of one that's racing
out of the top drawer. It's like, what does that mean?
What does that fucking mean?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
He's kind of just trying to combine some things.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, and then what he'll do and I'm deadly
serious with this. People can fucking look it up on YouTube.
I bet it comes up if he's covering a meeting,
if he's doing the commentary. Before the meeting starts, he
will walk out onto the track with a cameraman with

(03:51):
his dirt o meter. Do you know what his dirt
o meter is? Go on a fucking screwdriver. He digs
it into the track and goes, look, yeah, look at
that dirt, like that's where they want to be riding.
And it's like, what do you mean dirt on me?
It's a fucking flat blade screwgiver. You're taking the fucking pace. Yeah.
Another one. He's been saying it for years. No idea.

(04:15):
I still I've been going to speedway all my life.
I still don't know what he means when every time
he says this, yeah he gets in that high line.
I don't know what he means my high line. Nobody does.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I've asked, is he like trying to say like a
like a slipstream type of thing?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Is that? No idea? Absolutely, no idea, but like, yeah,
get into that high line. It's baffling.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Do you know what it is? Because I'm not into
like sports. The only thing I like is darts really,
but I've I've watched loads of football over the years
with my dad stuff, yeah, big fan, and obviously Speedway
with you boxing all that.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Don't even get me started on boxing.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, something I've noticed. So I'm listening to the talk
and I could be watching the fight or the game
or whatever it is, yeah, and I'll be kind of like, no,
that doesn't that doesn't seem to match up to me.
But I don't fucking know. And then I'll say to
you or my dad or whatever, and it's kind of like, no,
I don't know what they're fucking on about, talking through
their arse, and I'm like, yeah, I thought so fucking
knew it. They're just like it's like they they like
the sound of their own voice.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, you know that, Like they're there to amp it
up and try and get more.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Like they do. I'm getting fucking amped up sat in
myself for listening to No No.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Like, so, say, if you've never watched Speedway before and
you're flicking through the channels and you'll land on the
Speedway Grand Prix, Yeah, the commentators are there to like
hold you mm hmm. So that's why even if it's
a shit race. There's about two miles between every rider,
and they'll be like, oh, he's on his back wheel,

(05:50):
and it's like he's nowhere near his fucking back wheel.
But I can see what you're fucking doing. But yeah,
boxing don't even get me started. Right. The last big
fight I watched was Kater Taylor against Amanda Serana, their
third fight. Now, I like them. Fights have made me

(06:10):
give up watching boxing, like it's disheartened me. Kate Taylor
and Amanda Serano, they fought the first time, Serrano slapped
the shit out of her around that ring, lost on points.
Didn't know where that came from. That's judges, that's not commentators, book.
I'll get back to commentators. Second fight, exactly the same,

(06:32):
Serrano slapped the shit out of her, lost on points
for the third time. Now, third one was a much
closer fight. But what the commentators did on all three fights,
you could tell they wanted kat Taylor to win, so
they was bigging up anything Kater Taylor did and downplayed

(06:52):
anything or completely ignored anything Amanda Serano did. There was
one round Serana landed a four punch combo. Commentators fucking
said nothing about it. Katie Taylor threw a right up
hit Serrano's glove, and we're like, oh, what the fuck.

(07:12):
It's like you're taking the fucking pisce you hit a glove,
hit a glove.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Boxing is really bad for what I feel.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's horrific. It's just getting worse.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's like you said, you know, there's people who are
experiencing do know about it? They're all paid off?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, well, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
They're all on the fucking agenda here. You know which
for you as a fan of boxing, I better pisses
you off if it's a fighter that you've always admired,
loved and then you see them just you know, taking
that payout to say some shy talks brilliant.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
But yeah, well there's a lot of fighters who I
could name now, no one had heard of them because
they never made it. They were really, really good, but
they just never made it because they didn't know how
to play the game. They didn't know they didn't know
the right people. Doesn't matter what sport you're in, how
good you are, you have to know the right people.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, same with most things in life.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you've poked the barrier with sports commentary.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I thought that was just going to be like, yeah,
there are a bunch of shitoks and move on. But no,
it's triggered something to you, hasn't that.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, because you've got to imagine, right, say you've trained
full time hard for one fight six weeks. You've been
in that training camp for six weeks, You've been away
from your family, everything, You've gone into that fight, You've
fought your heart out, got robbed on the decision, and
it's like, right, okay, I was fighting away from home.

(08:40):
I knew that could be a possibility. But then every
fighter will watch back that fight and you imagine hearing
the commentators and it's like they didn't even give a
shit about me.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
That's something I think about quite often do with boxing, actually,
is you know, with the commentary and the media surrounding
the fight, how it rewrites history of a boxer's legacy,
you know, whether they're pumping them up or knocking them
down to their actual to their actual ability. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But yeah, for our listeners, if you think I'm lying, Megan,
you can do it later. Go on YouTube and search
speedway dirto meter and he'll fucking come up digging his
screwdriver into the fucking track. No bad.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Do you know another one I don't like just on
the speedway note.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Calvin Tatum, you have to ride. They were like British
pairs and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And I was going to say another one I don't
like with them is with Ty Waffendon. Yeah, they're always
what did they call him, waffy?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Where you're getting wolf from?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, some people say waffing.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It feels to me after trying to shoehorn in and
it's a bit like us with the shout outs. If
I'm honest with you, they're really really trying to make
it happen and it's it's not working. Lads, leave it be.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Speaking of shower outs, we have one.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
We do.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
So we've got a new patron, Jody Joe die. See
you're close to what I was thinking. So in Ireland
there's a website Joe dot Ie and I thought, oh, Jody.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Joe dot I E Joe Joe.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
There's the d from the I E. There she is.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
There's the guy I was thinking of, Jojoe Leave get out.
That's the end of you.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
All them songs when I were a kid.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Is that the next lyric? That's the end of you?
On me.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Is that what it was? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
She had another one. I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
She's dead now, No, she's not dead.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
We had this conversation before.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
She's dead.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
She's not dead.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
We Neil, right, I got an ocasion Jojo dead.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Morthal's this is something I have to deal with quite
a lot. Neil is quite coolable and naive, and he
will if something pops up on Facebook or what have you,
he will just take it as fact.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
He would just go trending Jojo dead.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
It wasn't Jojo, the singer that we grew up with.
It's not her.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Who were it then?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't fucking know, but it was it. It's not
Jojo isn't dead.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, I don't know another Joja.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
She's just subscribed to our patron now. But you you
did this to me before years ago, near ten years ago.
You came over to me and you went, oh my god,
look Kim Karashian dead age twenty one. It's like, well,
first of all, she's not twenty one. Second, she's not
fucking dead. And when I looked at the article you're
showing me, was like, Noil, look at this, look at
this rag that you're trying to pass off as genuine reporting. Anyway,

(11:58):
a little bit off track there, Thank you, Jody, We
appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Cheers joe Jah.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh. Also, while we're on shout outs, we did notice
that one of our patron's got a bit robbed of
a shout out.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, that's my bad with the editing.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, once we listened to a back we noticed
it was kind of a bit cut off. That was KK.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, we usually try to.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Go one shot from.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, no, we should, we don't. We don't really go there.
We're not really talking about that today in this episode.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, you don't know what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I could take a guess. Also, that's not really a
great shout out. You don't really want that association, do you, No,
not so much. So we decided to look up your name,
didn't we, And the definitions given to us for.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
The name Kayla were slender and fair and it's shot
for Mikayla, Mick.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Mick. We're going with Mick. Now, are we slender slender man?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, fair slender Man's fair like a fair ass, a
fair light ass.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
See I I I I was going to say something,
she's a very fair person. Ah, but you you you
have to talk about her ours. Maybe we shouldn't have
revisited the shout out. It's gone to Rye.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
We apologize for wasting your time. So the insults and
everything out of the way. What you got for us today?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Today we're going to be talking about javet Ikbo also
known as.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Kukri okay English.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, right, we're going to Pakistan today. Never been to Pakistan,
both in real life or on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You don't really hear much about like serial killers or
or anything like that over there.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I feel like with countries that you know, are an
the United States of America with the murders, you kind
of you don't hear about them as much, but when
you do, it's it's a it's a doozy have a case.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, But you still hear about cases in in like Canada,
the UK Island, stuff like that. I can't think Japan,
you know, I can't think of any whate'vever what like Pakistan, India,
Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
But that that's what I mean, like they're not kind
of at the forefront. I don't feel, you know, like
obviously the US is rife with serial killers and what
have you. But when it's a country like Japan, they're not,
you know, one of the heavy hitters in at least
in my mind in case they come across. But when
you do, it's like, oh Jesus.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You weren't really here of them now. In China, like
you lose points for crossing the road the wrong way
and stuff. There's there's big risks for big punishments and
risks in China.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean that is part of it. Depending on the
country a house where the punishment is well, it can be.
I mean, if you look at Ireland, there's punishments aren't
that bad And we still don't have a huge amount
A lot A lot of ours are kind of gang related.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, but even with your cases like Larry Murphy, you
just shipped him off to the UK.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
We did. Yeah, yeah, your problem now. Javett Ikbo was
born in nineteen sixty one in the Whore, Pakistan. He
was the sixth of eight children born to his parents.
His father was a businessman and Javett enjoyed a more
comfortable upbringing with items such as a two hundred cc
motorbike gifted to him by his father as a teenager.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I fuck me, No, I got a stick a stick, yeah,
see if you can throw.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It fuck off. I know what your Christmas are, like
one of those households where it was the mountains of presents.
Yeah but yeah but what.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Like yeah, I would, but it weren't like big expensive.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I can see you searching, like racking your brain to
think of a justification for it right now.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like yeah, but the best present I ever got when
I was a kid was the Megazard Power range of Megazard.
If I still had that now, I'd be able to
sell it for thousands. But yeah, the Megazard I mean
wrestling ring, an army little wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
A big one for me was Barbie.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Barbie. Knew that Barbie.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, I love me Barbie. I remember, I think with
my grandparents, they gave me my brother a tractorach not
not natural attractor, like a toy tractor. I had a
green one. He had a blue one. Mm hmm. In
nineteen seventy eight, while still in college, Javett followed in
his father's footstep and started his own business of steel recasting.

(17:04):
He ran his business out of his villa located in
Shadbah that his father purchased for him. Now this villa.
Javette lived there along with multiple boys, oh boys who
he had hired to work for him, or boys who
he wanted to keep close by.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, I thought you were going somewhere else. Yeah, I
thought you were going like the gayesy route.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Although Javette's family were eager to arrange a marriage for him,
this was something that he was not interested in and
was quite obstinate about, so it truly shocked his family
when in nineteen eighty three, Javett announced that he was
getting married. The bride to bee was the older sister
of one of the boys who javed shared the villa with.
Of course, this was all a part of his plan,

(17:52):
a manipulation to keep this boy close. The marriage would
only last for a few.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Months, So can I make an assumption? Was he interfellas, Yes, Okay,
that's the vibe I'm getting. Well, at least now I
can enjoy himself back, you know, back to vin single,
that bachelor lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
In nineteen ninety, a man found a complaint with the
police against Javette for sexually abusing his son.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Fucking hell, fucking took a turn.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Without being able to apprehend Javett. His father and his
two brothers were detained. Eight days later, police arrest one
of the boys who lived with Javette. Javette didn't seem
to face for the detention of his father or brothers,
but the boy being arrested did anger him. He surrendered
to police in order for this boy to be released.

(18:50):
For his crime, Javett served six months what.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, six months for what he did to the block.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Son mm HM for sexual assault.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
So basically their their criminal justice systems the same as
the UK.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Not quite.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, we'll get into it.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
For the assault of another young boy, the matter was
brought before the elders of the area. He confessed and
was made to sign an agreement that he would not
commit any further offenses. Copies were made of the agreement
and distributed, as well as Daveed being ordered to visit
one hundred shops in the area and apologize for his actions.
So other than being publicly shamed, Javeed was essentially getting

(19:36):
away with his crimes.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Just had to sign a few fucking papers. I will
not do that again. Do you know what it is?
It's Bart Simpson writing on the fucking blackboard.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
At the beginning of an episode.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean essentially, Yeah, it's due lines. Really what
the fuck? Yeah. In nineteen ninety three, Jave's father passes away,
and without daddy's influence to protect him, took the opportunity
to seek revenge for what he was doing to these boys.
And the next time he chose to hurt a child,

(20:07):
he was thrashed by the residence of shad Bah.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Thrashed like lashed, like, oh yeah, fucking dated there, then,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, I mean he takes a breaking Yeah, I mean
that that's going to leave some fucking marks on you.
That's going to break open your skin if you're if
you know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Did you know to do more damage?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Cricket bat cricket's quite popular in Pakistan, so yeah, where's
like the biggest places like India, Pakistan, England, Australia. Oh,
Australia they love it as well. They're like the big
boys of cricket.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, think they're the only boys of cricket.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Couldn't give a fuck about cricket myself, the on't have
I ever had to do it with school and then
as soon as that was over.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I have a funny story about cricket so I'm sorry,
this is me spiraling.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Do you have a funny story about cricket.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's a good one, right, So you know I'm a
bit thick, right. So we were going to speedway a
place called Buxton, middle of fucking nowhere, and it took
about an hour and a half to get there. And
you'd always go past this cricket field in this little
village and they'd have like a proper big game. It

(21:24):
was like a proper stadium. But the road we're right
next to it is a weird, weird settup, and we
were sad as we were coming around the corner. My
dad did it the first time, Me and my brother
thought it was hilarious. So then all three of us
were doing it. I mean mom would not padaf Yeah,

(21:44):
so there was one time we came around the corner.
You can ask my dad about this. Came around the corner.
My mom had already pre worn my dad lock the window,
lock lock the car windows so he can't put the
window down. So I opened I opened the door, and

(22:07):
we used to shout no ball, your bastards and then
drive off and it had proper like disrupt the game'd
like stop the game, but this time, the dad drove
around the corner. I couldn't open the window, so I
was like, nah, So I opened the door and shouted
nobody screamed it as loud as I could, no, ball

(22:29):
of your bastards. And then all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Stop at the red light.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, all of a sudden cars stopped and I looked
with sat in traffic next to the fucking cricket field,
and my dad was just there, You're fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Was this kind of like an in Betweener's post Wanker's moment?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, yeah, my dad was just like, fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Did anything come over?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
No car though, Yeah, no boye bastards. And then if
we went past the golf course would scream far We'd
just keep screaming fun.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I think everyone's done that one.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So back to Pakistan.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
So, with the death of Jaevett's father, he may have
lost his protection, but one thing that he did have
was a hefty inheritance left by his father three point
five million rupees. So with his newfound wealth, Javette decided
to use his inheritance not only to build a swimming
pool at his villa and the purchase of multiple vehicles.

(23:37):
But to further his sinister intentions, Javette decided to open
a video game shop. And who loves video games?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Boys, I'm going to say kids. Yeah, well more boys
than girls.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't really I don't really agree with you're there.
I think they're just marketed more towards boys.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, no, you look at the industry revenue from something
like Call of Duty, GTA fifas, stuff like that when
you as a kid. Right when Meghan was a kid,
her father went out and bought her play By Mansion,
the game I love that game, Playboy Mansion.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's terrible, terrible that game was even made. But at
the time, you know, I was just playing like Space,
like the Sims. It's the Sims with nudity. I don't
think my dad really that Sims. You can get mods
and stuff. Yeah, but I don't think my dad realized
just how graphic it was at the time. But yeah, yeah, no,

(24:42):
But I do think, especially someone you know, as a
woman who's played video games, you are treated a certain way,
like you're you're a fucking unicorn, which I don't actually
understand why there are so many women and girls who
play video games, but men still kind of view it
as like, you know, you're the minority coming in here.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Nudity and games. The first one I can remember larer
Craft lower Craft. It wasn't there was a glitch you
could do to strip her.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Off, spend direstaring that screen, didn't you know?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
And then there was a Duke Nukem Time to Kill.
I think there were tits in that. Actually one what
was a bit disturbing. So me and Meghan we used
to play a game called Skyrim.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
What you're saying that is, if it's like this little
indie game called Skyrim.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
A lot of people didn't play it, Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Fuck off, everyone knows Skyrim, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
So yeah, And we would put like YouTube videos on
to watch Skyrim. And then then I started watching people
mod Skyrim. So I learned how to mod Skyrim. And
I was on the website where you'd get the mods,
and I was looking. How many times did I turn

(26:04):
to you and go look at this?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
A lot of people wanted Lydia in the Buff.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, we weren't just Lydia in the Buff. It was
you could have sex parties on like with other characters.
You'd direct them what to do, and.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Like lads can we just like, I mean, Playboy was
what it was.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Tell me that for lads.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm not I'm not defending the game now, I'm just
saying at the time, you know, like we discussed it
in the episode about the murder of Jasmine Fury that
you know, Playboy had a grip on the fucking world.
It was a universe. But I mean, at the end
of the day, the game is what it is. Yeah,
it's about adult content, whereas stuff like that, it's like
it's skyrm, Like.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Come on, and you'd have characters like lizards, kajits, that's what.
Well they were cats, yeah, yes, yeah, so you'd have
like a lizard fucking a cat, or a lizard and
a cat fucking a woman.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
There's no need for it. It was outrageous creations of
a madman. Anyway, bit off topic. Javed opened a video
game shop to attract kids, but when people in the
area stop their kids from going to the store, knowing
his intentions, he decided to open an aquarium and also

(27:19):
a gym. He later set up a school, but of
course no one wanted to send their kids to attend.
He then opened a general store, which undercut the prices
of others in the area. He also spent his money
on the publication of a magazine Now. This magazine focused
on crime and the incredible work of the police force

(27:39):
through boosting their egos. This enabled Javet to establish a
relationship with over two dozen officers.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I was just about to say it's brown nousing, Yeah,
sucking optic.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Cops know exactly what he was doing. Aside from his
elaborate schemes to lure young boys into his grasp, javet
would also perpetrate less time consuming ruses. He would place
a one hundred rupee note on the ground and wait
for a boy to pick it up. Jaevette would accuse
him of stealing and take him to be searched, where

(28:10):
he would then sexually assault the boy. On some occasions,
following the assault, Javette would give the boy the money
as a quote gesture of good will.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean to keep his gub shot.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yes, you see. Javette would target children affected by poverty,
those who work selling goods in the street, or kids
who would run away from home, and more often than
not that these children were and still are overlooked. With
the offer of work and or a seemingly luxurious lifestyle
to the one they had been used to. Jaevette was

(28:42):
able to manipulate and course quite a few boys to
stay within his company. In December of nineteen ninety nine,
police as well as a local newspaper receive a letter quote,
I have killed one hundred beggar children and put their
bodies in a container. I did it to a vet
and attempt on my life by my boys, the death

(29:03):
of my mother and injustice in society. The letter went
on to describe how the children were strangled to death,
dismembered and their bodies disposed of. The letter also gave
the address of Javet's villa. Stunned by the contents of
the letter, the media began to look into the case.
Whereas the police initially thought this could well have been

(29:24):
a hoax, upon the realization that this was definitely not
some twisted prank, a man hunt ensued, one of the
largest Pakistan had ever seen, and dozens of suspects were detained.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Sorry, but how do you read a letter like that
and think, you know it could be a hoax?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
It's wild because you think it's so bad you have
to investigate it. But they were also looking at us.
It's so bad it clearly can't be true.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
But you imagine if they had have gone clearly a hoax,
don't even gonna look at it?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah? Or is it officers that he had kept close
and they were like, I don't worry about as clearly
a hoax as soon as you know. In the letter,
Javet had stated that he planned to drown himself in
the Ravi River, and police did search the Ravi but
found nothing. So was this just a game of cat
and mouse to Javed or was he actually planning to

(30:14):
attempt suicide before capture. I personally believe this was part
of his plan. About a month had passed before he
made the decision to reveal his true identity. On the
thirtieth of December, Javet entered the office of the Daily
Yang newspaper and proclaimed, quote, I am Javed Ikbal, killer
of one hundred children. He went on to say, quote

(30:37):
I hate this world. I am not ashamed of my action,
and I am ready to die. I have no regrets.
I killed one hundred children.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Right. You know how you'll get say a serial killer
who've killed Oh no, they know they've killed five or
six people. And then once they overmen costed it the like, oh,
there is at least one hundred mare, But with this guy,
is it like there's one hundred yes, fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, it's one of those. They don't have the exact number,
but yeah, I'd say it's fairly accurate.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
After his initial confession, the staff in the office kept
him talking as they alerted authorities. One hundred soldiers surrounded
the building and Javette was arrested. He claimed that his
motive for the murders was revenge after Javette had previously
been accused of the sexual assault of a young boy
earlier in the nineties. He claimed that he'd been beaten
severely by the police. Quote. I was so badly beaten

(31:40):
that my head was crushed, my backbone broken, and I
was left crippled. My mother cried for me. I wanted
one hundred mothers to cry for their children.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, pretty heavy shit. And he goes on to say
that he had no regrets and that he could have
gone on to kill five hundre children. Quote, but the
pledge I'd taken was of one hundred children, and I
never wanted to violate this.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right. There's not I can't say anything.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I've got well when he says I, I didn't
want to violate this, it's this weird moral code to him, Yeah,
it's like fuck everything else. But you know, I've took
this pledge, lads, and I really want to.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't want to set the bit. I don't get though,
So about mecing one hundred mothers cry, why does sexual
assault come into it?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
If it's just to like get rid of the children,
why isn't it just a straight kill? Why is the
more to it?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I can't say for sure if he sexually assaulted every
child that he had murdered, but I would take a
guess there was a high percentage that he did. And
like you said, yeah, it's all just bullshit and it's
your own fucking like jumped up, little prick way of
being like I was wronged.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, you know, So these hundred kids, what time frame
are we talking start to finish? How many years?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Less than a year? What less than a year? Fucking
hell between nineteen He started in nineteen ninety eight and
finished in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
How did they not think there were a plague ESTs
on that?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
When police got to search his home. They find bloodstains
on the walls and floors. They find chains which have
been used to strangle the children to death, the skeletal
remains of two children, multiple vats of acid, and piles
of children's clothing. There were two vats which still contained
the partially dissolved remains, and a note left which stated, quote,

(33:50):
the bodies in the house have deliberately not been disposed
of so that authorities will find them.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
To this guy, you know how you get them people
that can't take the blame for anything. Yes, this is
the cops fault in his eyes, The police caused this.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, I mean you got to remember, he came from
a very comfortable upbringing. He was treated quite well. He
was kind of a daddy's little prince, and he's just
a little shite. Basically, I can do what i want.
I'm so great. Yeah type of guy we're dealing with here.
And yeah, like you said, nothing could possibly have been

(34:30):
his fault and he was wronged at one point, so
he can do whatever the fuck he wants to correct
it in his mind. Javett also presented police with an
extremely detailed diary that he had kept, as well as
a thirty two page notebook. The diary contained the names, ages,
and photographs of these kids, all boys age between six

(34:51):
and sixteen. The sexual assaults and murders were recorded in
meticulous detail, not just to the date, but at the
time the murder. The amount of acid needed to dispose
of their bodies was also listed and the cost to
do so. Quote in terms of expense, including the acid,
it cost me one hundred and twenty rupees to erase

(35:14):
each victim.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
See why did he write that down? It's not like
you can claim it back on tax as a fucking
business expense. That's what you do with stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Why it creepy level of detail. Yeah, he's enjoying keeping
the records of what he's done.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
It seems he's not trying to claim back on that
and at text share.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Also recorded in his notes quote, my count has reached
one hundred. With the grace of God, my mission is complete.
Tears roll down my cheeks. I will make sure that
my mission and my message reaches the world. There was
also handwritten notes across the walls. Was home. One of
the notes read quote today Mber twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine,

(36:02):
I've decided to commit suicide. Yesterday, I killed my employee
Sanjeed and incinerated his body in the container so he
could be punished for the theft and for disturbing me
again and again. I can now go to sleep in
the depths of the rav Oh.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
So he was gonna top himself in river then?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well? Possibly, But he also wanted police to go to
his home. So did he want them to find these
notes and assume he had so he could bugger off elsewhere?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, because he did.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
He did. He did go on the run for a
better month, but.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
He didn't leave the country no, which I find strange
because the money he had.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I I'm like, I can't say for sure. I think
it was kind of more of a cat and mouse
to him, you know. Why Yeah? Why did he, you know,
constantly make all these comments about suicide and then went
on the run, and then after a month he finally
came forward and said, yeah, yeah, it's me, lads, I'm
the one doing it. Was he enjoying it? Was he

(37:04):
wanting to see all the media coverage? Yeah, it's hard
to say. Another note stated quote. The five sacks lying
in the corner of this room contain the clothing of
one hundred victims, while the remaining three sacks contain eighty
five pairs of shoes belonging.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
To them without an adult.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
All details of the murders are contained in my diary
and the thirty two page notebook that have been placed
in the room. This is my confessional statement. Another read quote,
one more death after the killing of one hundred does
not make much difference. The world will remember this mode
of revenge. These bodies flow through the sewer just like

(37:47):
my blood will. Or There's also this note which was
left and is seemingly an attempt to rationalize his killings. Quote.
This area has turned into a breeding ground of crime.
Away children seek refuge here and learn to commit murder, theft, pickpocketing,
and get involved in the moral activities. If the government

(38:08):
can't stop this, then ordinary people will have to find
their own solution, as I did.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Right So, I'm picking up on some here. So he
initially said he was doing this because he wanted a
hundred mothers to cry, But now he's saying that part
of the reason why he's doing it is because this
area is out of control and there's basically moveless kids.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
It was an area where quite a lot of kids
you know, if they had run away from home where
they need to try and make money, that they would
go into this area, you know, and try and sell
goods and what have you.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah. Oh, so he's not saying it's like the parents
got rid of them, like the.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know, he's based saying all these kids are turning
to crime, okay, and he's basically, you know, his vigilante
side is coming out here, which who the fuck asked? Y?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The month before Javed's sentencing, he recanted his confession and
pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
He claimed that he created the story to highlight the
issues that face runaway children, and that his statements to
police were made under juress. Quote. Whatever I wanted to
say has been distorted. I have seen the children being killed.
I am an eyewitness to that. I was considered an
insane person, but I beg that my point of view

(39:33):
must also be heard. I consider myself as a culprit
because I've been made a culprit by police. Again, it's
not his fault, lads, you know, fucking idiot prick. Although
there was a lack of forensic evidence to link to
Javed and the number of victims, was yet to be confirmed.
The evidence was starting to pile up against him, as

(39:54):
well as others who can coroberate his previous claims. Given
his use of chemicals in the murder, he was brought
before an anti terrorist course, but it was argued that
his use of chemicals was to dispose of the bodies,
not as a means of murder.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Doesn't matter, you've murdered them before, you've put them in it.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
It's a complex argument as well, because it's kind of like,
I mean, you were terrorizing, yes, the streets of the
whoreor like I mean, yeah, well, I mean in reference
to the use of chemicals.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know, I think they need to pick their arguments
like they need to pick a battle. I don't think
that's something to hone in on.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
On the sixteenth of March in the year two thousand
and after a two month trial that her testimonies from
over one hundred witnesses, Javette was convicted for the murder
of one hundred children. During proceedings, Javette was described as
not a man but a beast. As he was led
out of the court. He repeatedly pleaded his innocence. Three

(40:58):
teenage boys were found guilty as his accomplices, the youngest
of which was just thirteen years of age.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
They were all found guilty of helping to dispose of
bodies as well as harboring Javette while on the run.
There was another person who was being questioned in connection
to Javette and his crimes, but while being interrogated, the
man jumped out of the window to his death.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
It makes you wonder just how many were complicit?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
What's that mean?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
How many were involved?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Ah? Yeah, Now.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Javette's sentence was a major source of controversy. He was
sentenced to death, but the method chosen drew major concern.
He was to be executed by strangulation using an iron chain,
and for his body to be dismembered and dissolved an
acid in front of the victim's parents, and the judge

(41:55):
specified that he should be strangled one hundred times and
for his body to be cut into one hundred pieces
before being dissolved in acid.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I had to strangled some one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Each count to represent each child that he had harmed.
His execution was to be carried out publicly, taking place
in a park in the whore.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
You said, hanging by chains. I've even looking back in history,
I've never heard of hung by chains.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It was what he had used. Okay, Yeah, so the
sentence given was very kind of eye for an eye
type of thing. It was influenced by Sharia law. Now,
the legal system in Pakistan is complex. It's a mix
of both common law from British colonization and Islamic or

(42:46):
Sharia law, and there are both secular and religious courts.
So from what I gather, common law is sort of
the basis, but a judge may consider an interpret points
of Sharia law while presiding over a case, as Sharia
is a primary for a lot of legislation in Pakistan,
so the laws are predominantly from Sharia, but they are

(43:09):
not an absolute, more of a framework. So although Sharia
law is present in Pakistan and does deal with some
more serious offenses, it's more of a moral or ethical
code on how to live your life. Again, it is
an incredibly complex legal system which I do not have
full comprehension of, and I do apologize if my description

(43:29):
is a bit vague or I'm misinterpreting anything. If I
had to simplify to our understanding it's church and state,
and I suppose I would relate to the Catholic Church's
influence over Ireland's legal system. Right, a religious framework incorporated
into lawh Yeah. Now with the sentence given, there is,

(43:51):
of course the glaringly obvious issue of human rights. One
minister said, quote this will be challenged in the High
Court signatures of the Human Rights Commission. Such punishments are
not allowed.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Where were the kids human rights?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
We've personally had this argument quite a lot, and I
do take your point, but the legal system and law
enforcement should be there to protect and serve type of
a thing. I don't believe it should be at their
discretion of how a person is treated. If you're going

(44:30):
to argue that what makes one any better than the other,
you're doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah. But right, there's an old British saying, thank God,
what's good for the goose is good for the ganda.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Is that British?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Why wouldn't that be British?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Why is it British that's used all over the world.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I'm not saying it's not. I don't know the origins,
but I feel like you're just claiming it because you
want to.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Well I've heard it like in old British films and that.
But yeah, what's good for the goose is good for
the gander. Like he chose to do that to one
hundred people. Let it happened to him. Let him feel
what they felt.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So you're in favor of a sentence, yes, so far, well,
the sentence will so far?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Now it was you chop and change and you.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Mean in case I change your mind?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yes, okay. Well.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
The sentence was also slammed as going against the Islamic tenets.
The Council of Islamic Ideology stated that to desecrate the
body would go against the teachings to respect the body
of the deceased. And as this council is state run
to ensure that laws are in keeping with the Islamic tenets,
it's wild that the sentence given was such a violation.

(45:50):
Javett's lawyer also stated that he would be appealing the decision. Quote,
this sentence is not inevitable. There is no law which
allows a person to be hanged publicly to cut up
the pieces of the body. It is against the constitution
of Pakistan. So in Pakistan, executions are generally by hanging
and carried out within the prison. It's not just the

(46:12):
barbaric act of dismembering and disposing his remains, but also
the public aspect.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, he's going to have a good lawyer as.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Well, But in the end none of this mattered. On
the ninth of October two thousand and one, Javett, as
well as one of his accomplices, were found dead in
their cells. Their cause of death were both reported to
have been suicide, having used their bed sheets to hang
themselves from the iron bars of their cells. They are
found at five a m. That morning, and its thought

(46:40):
that they had taken their own lives sometime between ten
p m And two a m. But the results of
their autopsies tell a different story. There's brooding and signs
of Blonfor's drama. The extent of liver mortis was also
taken into consideration. Blood had seeped from their nose and mouths,
as well as cuts found to one of their tongues.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
They've had a scrap.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
You think that they've had a fight beforehand and then
took their own lives. Yeah, Well, Jabet's lawyer had claimed
that he previously wrote to him stating that he was
worried that he will be killed by prison authorities, and
the guard who was on duty at the time of
the murder said quote, I was asleep when the incident
took place.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
What incident?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Their deaths?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Ah? The only bit what doesn't make sense about that
is why would the prison officers kill them when it
didn't matter which way it happened. They were getting executed.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Anger? Anger at what they had done. I mean, the
crimes he perpetrated were some of the worst imaginable.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, Like, imagine if one of the kid's parents worked
at the prison.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Well, sexual assault and murder horrific, and he also chose
to do this to more vulnerable members of society. Yeah,
Javette's body went unclaimed, with his brother's stating quote, we
have nothing to do with him.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Good man. I was going to ask about the siblings.
There's eight of them.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, as far as I can see, they're literally like
you know, the day we found out about what he
was doing, No, yeah, done. So that's Javed gone, albeit
under suspicious circumstances. But what about the families of these children?
The parents of known missing children were contacted, They were
shown photographs and items of clothing found within Javette's home

(48:37):
in an attempt to identify the children. Although many were
able to be identified, their remains were unable to be recovered,
depriving these parents of a final goodbye to their kids.
Televised footage shows the Straw parents sifting through heap piles
of children's clothing.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Ah, that'd be rough.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, I mean, it's unimaginable because you've got to if
you put yourself into their situation. You're searching through these items,
and you know, you're praying that you don't find something
belonging to your child, that they didn't have to go
through this, but you're praying that you find and you
know where your child is or what happened at the

(49:17):
same state, like some form of closure. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Know, Like that's rough putting cameras on it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
You're filming people that are going to be at the
lowest point they've probably ever ever have or ever will experience.
It's all these parents who are in solidarity with the
next for the most agonizing reason possible. Some of these
children have been missing for over six months before their
parents had reported them missing. Campaigners in Pakistan stated that

(49:48):
only a fraction of child abuse cases ever come to
light because of the taboo around discussing the issue. Quote,
it is seen as malaise of the West. No one
admits to it, let alone does anything to help. Not
only were these children overlooked, but due to Javed coming
from a background of wealth, privilege, and status, it afforded
him a certain level of protection. But given how easy

(50:11):
it was for Javed to commit these crimes and within
a very short period of time, it makes you wonder
how many further victims could there have been had he
not decided to turn himself in. And that is the
case of javet.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Ick Well, well that last bit you just said there
weren't going to be He said, I'll get to one
hundred and I'll stop.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay. It makes you wonder had he not made that
pledge to himself, how many for how long?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
You know?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
It seems as though he could have had some officers
in his pocket, He had money. He was also in
a location where kids are frequently overlooked. Yeah, and fall
through the cracks.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
No, No, that was that was rough. But I still
don't get like it just all sounds like excuses. I
did it because I took a kick in from law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I mean, I don't want to go back to Hadding Clark,
but it's a similar type of things. That's what I
said about him as well. It's the kind of well,
because this happened, I had to do this, and I
felt as though and it's like, you know, there's your
feelings and then there's fact. Yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, I took a kick in from law enforcement. So
I'm going to murder a hundred boys.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
But I mean I'm going to challenge you on that
because you previously stated, you know, you're in favor of
his sentence. You think it's okay, you think that eye
for an eye type of logic. I do not agree
with that at all myself.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
But what was one hundred boys got to do with
him taking a kick in from law enforcement?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, but by your logic, there is no parameter of
good and bad. It's literally, do something, do the exact
If you do something, the exact same thing has to
be done back. I don't agree with that, and there's
there's no difference. There's no how can you say he
is evil and he is this and he's that. If
you're wanting to do the same thing back to him. Yeah,

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do you get what I mean? What's separating from these people?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Then the difference is he chose to do that to
one hundred boys, law enforcement and the government are only
doing it to him because he did it to one
hundred boys.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I get that, But they don't have to choose that sentence.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You do not have to. But it's to make a
public display. They don't want that to happen again.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And you think the public execution and dismemberment is going
to stop it. I'm not like trying to challenge you
as such on that point. I'm asking your genuine opinion.
Do you think that will deter people? Well?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
People think twice, so yes, you know, it's the same
as so there's some countries where if you get caught nicking,
But still to this day, there are some countries where
if you get caught nicking, they'll chop your hand off.
There's a lot more. I bet there's a lot of
people who if you're.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Gonna, if you're gonna make that claim, you actually know
what countries that's happens in.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I did read it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
We've all we've all heard that, But I couldn't say
if that's true or not, or how frequent that has
ever happened in more modern day, you know, because it
could have been the case of like this case where
a judgement right, that's the sentence of people like no,
you can't just yeah again the eye for an eye.
Think I think you're more in favor of like a

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vigilante type of justice than I am. I've never really
been okay with it. I understand the urgent people wanting to,
but I think overall, no, I think it's too slippery
of a slope.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, like, yeah, vigilant, it's definitely a slippery slope, but
it is still needed sometimes. You know that there is
times where there is a problem and you know the
justice system doesn't do it do its job. Yeah, it's justice,
So it's like, right, well I'll fucking do it.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I do get what you mean. But I feel like
a lot of the time I've seen cases where the
person doling out the justice maybe shouldn't be you know,
it's do you get what I mean, It's maybe not
the best intended result, it's more of their own anger. Yeah,
if you get.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Me, Yeah, I get yeah. I think we'll move on
before I get us canceled.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I do actually have a film for us to watch, Okay,
Javed Ickball, The Untold story of a serial killer. Now,
this film was initially banned, but after a bit of pushback,
I was released in twenty twenty three. So basically, obviously
it's his story, but I think it was more so
to do with how the police were being portrayed in

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it was. It was initially banned.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
But yeah, I'll make a deal with you. We get
a takeaway tonight and we'll watch it tonight.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You really want to take away?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I really want to take away tonight.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I think you'd watch that anyway. No, it's not a documentary.
It's a film.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, I know, you just said.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I know, but you're like, you'd watch that. It's not
like a horror film as such. It's more biographical.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I've just said I'm trying to make a deal with
you as if if you buy me a takeaway, I'll
watch that for you. But you would watch it anyway.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Point, it's ridiculous, right.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I've got something to ease us out of that fucking
brutal case. Okay, bizarre headlines. I thought for today, we
take a look at some odd headlines that actually made
it into the papers.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Okay, so yeah, some of these aren't going to shock me.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
You're ready for it. So first up, we have vengeful
man barks like dog. Twenty seventh of March nineteen fifty Ashville,
North Carolina, a man appeared in course to appeal a
ten dollars fine he received for sitting on his neighbor's
porch during the night and barking like a dog. He
argued that his actions were simply retaliation to their dog's barks,

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which it kept him awake all night.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
My own mother barks, what well, she didn't bark, she growls.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Where are we at here? New?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
No, no, no, that's what That's what my father says. Anyway.
So say, if say, if my mom and dad get
into an argument, yeah, my mom, if she's got nothing
to say, but she's still wants to say something. It's
usually the case she'll like grit a teeth together and

(57:07):
shout something, but it just sounds like a growl. And
then my dad I'll be like, don't fucking growl at me,
and then he starts growling back at her. And I
was saying this, you know, in my teenage years.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So You're raised by wolves, is what we're telling me.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I've always been called a feral child.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Starting to understand why. Yeah, next we have He Wouldn't
Kiss the Cat. Published on the fourteenth of May nineteen
fifty London, England, the divorce courts heard of a case
where a husband declined the requests of his wife. She
required that, upon her husband's return from work every day
that he kissed her first, then her sister, and finally

(57:48):
the cat. He refused her demands, so she left them.
He's granted a divorce on the grounds of desertion.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
See I get it the other way around. You walk
in its Norman. Yeah, you kissed Tie and then I might.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Get a wave.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah all right, Jesus nods at right any posts today
or and this and this isn't a lie, This is
not an exaggeration. Every day, if she if she's still
in bed asleep, and I've got up to do some
editing because I can't sleep, if I'm sat on the
city editing, she will come in. She will give Norman attention,

(58:28):
she'll give Thaie attention, and then she pats me on
the fucking head.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I do sometimes. Yeah, yeah, that's not meant to be
like like, I candescend anything else. I can see your
your hands are busy. You've got the headset on. I
don't disturb you, So I just like, bless you my child.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, yeah, paps.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I used to literally say that, didn't I. Yes, bless
you my child. Oh damage Once name changed. Published on
the sixth of June nineteen thirteen, Richmond, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Someone's called Oh damn It.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
A man by the name of Orlando damn It has
said that he is seeking to change his name, stating
that he cannot decipher whether people are calling him or
or simply venting their frustrations. I mean fair enough, you know,
I see his point. You ready for the next one?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Go on?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Justice swift Among Squirrels twenty seventh of December nineteen forty three, Knoxville, Tennessee.
A man watches a squirrel run down a patch with
a bun in its mouth and dig a hole and
then bury the bun. A second squirrel, who had been
watching from the trees, appears, goes to the exact same
spot and digs up the bun. The first squirrel appears

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back at the scene just in time to witness the theft.
The man says of the incident, quote, it was worse
than any cat fight i've ever seen. That thief got
the beating of its life.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I've actually thought about doing that before. What if I
was to ever.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Causing rucous No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I'd nick it. Oh, I I were going to do it.
Like so, if I saw a squirrel burying a knot
or whatever it is, wait for its fuck off, and
then I'd quickly go and take it so it'd lose
its mind. It'd be like, I'm sure I buried it here.
I did actually think it's twisted. Well, no, it was.

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I was going to do an experiment just to see
what it'd do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
You're a gas lighting little fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I wish I've never taught you that word.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Squirrel gas lighting. Shit. Now we've got to throw back
to one of our previous oddities. Children not fish, so
can't be mailed. Sixteenth of June nineteen twenty des Moines, Iowa,
the Postmaster of Washington, had received two applications for permission
to ship children through the parcel post. He contacted the

(01:00:48):
first Assistant Postmaster for a decision to be made whether
this should be allowed or not. It was decided that
children are not within the classification of quote harmless animals
and therefore are not available. That was mad That one
posting children yes, yeah, no good and last but certainly
not least husband and dog gone just once, dog.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Back, probably fuck the husband, published.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
On the tenth of May nineteen fifty four, Dallas, Texas.
After the disappearance of her husband along with a chuaua puppy,
a woman told the police quote, I don't care if
my husband ever comes back. I just want to find
my dog fuck's sake. See the thing about the thing
what I get from all of these headlines is that
people were just as petty back in the day. We

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just happened to have the ease of access to their
stupidity with social media.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah, Like with that last one, that actually just reminded
me of a video I saw the other day. So
the video it looked like an old news report and
it was a woman being interviewed. Now it starts in
the mid interview, so you don't know what the interview
is about, but she says something about I wish they

(01:02:03):
hadn't have been killed, and it was my son. I
wish my son had been That was it. I wish
my son had been killed. Her son is like an
eight year old boy next stood next to her, and
she's there saying, I would rather my son have died
that day was christ Yeah, I'll try and find it
for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I feel like you're confusing something here. I've seen a
clip of a guy at like a football game or something.
You said he'd sacrifice his second son or something like that.
Not not as first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
This is an American woman being interviewed by a news report, okay,
and an eight year old boy is next to her,
and she says, I would have rather my son I'd
have lost his life that day. That's what she said.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Did she give any kind of a explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
No, that's the context. That's it, right. Yeah. Yeah, I
think soon enough, news headlines it won't be a thing
because it's just going to go. It's just going to
be social media posts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Well, they will have, you know, digital newspapers. A lot
of them are there's a lot of media outlets that
are just online now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
They won't have newspapers because they'll just say go to
the website, go to the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
They have they have headlines and titles for the articles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, so that's your headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, I'll still I still enjoy reading them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I've never really read a paper ever, not really.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
We would have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
We have articles online sports section. No, if there's too
many words, I turn it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah you do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Actually, even if a listener messages a big, long message
to me, I'd be like, Megan read that for me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, you're quite lazy, aren't you. Yeah, thank you so
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